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Speaker 2: Welcome to another edition of the Giants Little Podcast, brought

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Speaker 2: York Giants. I am John Schmelk. It's become a yearly

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Speaker 2: tradition here in the Giants Little Podcast. Sometime in either

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Speaker 2: late July or early August, we get joined by Warren Sharp,

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Speaker 2: who puts out his awesome NFL preview book every year. Warren,

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Speaker 2: it's good to talk to you again.

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Speaker 3: under it. It's a lot of information on all thirty

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Speaker 3: two teams. And obviously we're going to be excited to

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Speaker 3: dive through the Giants chapter with you guys on the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very easy to go through, just to give

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Speaker 2: the guys a feeling like it's a lot as multi colored.

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Speaker 2: You got a lot of charts and grafts to kind

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Speaker 2: the Giants go through this, and you focus a big

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Speaker 2: part of this chapter Warren on Russell Wilson, So we're

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Speaker 2: going to talk about him. I always love talking about

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Speaker 2: strength to schedule with you because you do a good

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Speaker 2: job of breaking that down. More bad news for the

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Speaker 2: Giants this year on that front. We'll at that later

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Speaker 2: on of the show, but I want to store with

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Speaker 2: some Giant fans were a little confused, Well, if you

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Speaker 2: draft Jackson Dart, why do you want to bring in

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Speaker 2: Russell Wilson. And the argument I always made is that

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Speaker 2: Brian Dable was desperate to raise the floor of the

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Speaker 2: like what a Brian Dable offense is supposed to look like.

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Speaker 2: And one thing you look at when you look at

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Speaker 2: that group of numbers, Russell Wilson actually looks pretty darn good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there's just a perception of Russell Wilson

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Speaker 3: that he's a terrible quarterback. We all know what happened

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Speaker 3: of his stats from that time period, but certainly, you

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Speaker 3: So not only is Russell Wilson even last year, been

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Speaker 3: he is a top ten quarterback. In twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 2: And just to give you an idea over the last

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Speaker 2: And Brian Dabele has been begging his quarterbacks to get

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Speaker 2: And Russell Wilson throws a great deep ball, and I

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Speaker 2: know he's always bring the numbers Warren in terms of

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Speaker 2: that's something that Russell Wilson has been consistently good at

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Speaker 3: Yeah, deep passing, effect of passing outside the numbers, trying

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Speaker 3: You know, Chris Collinsworth used to say on this NBC

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Speaker 3: Great. How do we make that happen?

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Speaker 2: All right, and I think that's a great transition, Warren.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the issue that we have here is the New

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Speaker 3: He's got so much innerconfidence, but then he struggle actually

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Speaker 3: I don't know if we'll talk about now or later,

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Speaker 3: That is not something that the Pittsburgh Steelers had success

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and look that also has your pass rush yet

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Speaker 2: This year, I can tell you one of those bullet

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Speaker 3: does end up taking a sack, which is league average.

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Speaker 3: So Brian Dables offenses, Brian Dables offenses have struggled mightily.

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Speaker 3: If you look at his offenses since he's been there

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Speaker 3: for the last three years. If they take at least

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Speaker 3: one sack, only nineteen percent of his offenses drives score points,

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Speaker 3: which is below league average of twenty three percent, and

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Speaker 3: only five percent will score a touchdown, which is below

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Speaker 3: the league average of eight percent. Now, their ceiling is

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Speaker 3: obviously also lower when they don't take a sack. They're

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Speaker 3: at thirty four percent score rate when they don't take

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Speaker 3: a sack of league average was forty one percent. So

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Speaker 3: they're below the league average across the board. But they

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Speaker 3: are similarly massively impacted on drives where they do end

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Speaker 3: up taking a sack. And so whether it's the Giants offense,

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Speaker 3: whether it's Russell Wilson himself, or whether it's every single

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Speaker 3: quarterback in the NFL facts or drive killers, you have

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Speaker 3: to avoid taking sacks as much as possible. Any type

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Speaker 3: of incompletion that's not intercepted is going to be vastly

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Speaker 3: superior to taking a sack. It almost does not matter

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Speaker 3: what type of incompletion it is. So understanding the pressure,

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Speaker 3: understanding pre snap, what the defense is showing in your

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Speaker 3: film study, understanding what they might be doing off of this.

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Speaker 3: Because a lot of teams make adjustments very late. They

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Speaker 3: try to come in with things like it's I liken

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Speaker 3: it too. John you know, the NFL offenses for years

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Speaker 3: had the upper hand with pre stop motion and then

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Speaker 3: play action. It was things that were occurrying right as

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Speaker 3: the snap was happening, to confuse the defense, to get

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Speaker 3: them thinking about something else, and to give the offense

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Speaker 3: in upper hand. Well, defenses have started to do their

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Speaker 3: same type of pre stop motion play action edges, which

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Speaker 3: is very late, shifts into different coverages, into sending different blitzers,

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Speaker 3: and all of those disguised blitzes, or they'll drop out.

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Speaker 3: All those types of things definitely cause problems for the quarterbacks.

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Speaker 3: So the quarterback in Russell Wilson's case, he needs to

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Speaker 3: understand what does his defense quarter typically do, what does

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Speaker 3: he like to do in this specific instance, so that

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Speaker 3: Russ kind of has an understanding it might not be

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Speaker 3: what he's seeing right now. Five seconds left on playcock,

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Speaker 3: four seconds lefts on playcock, three seconds lets on the playcock?

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Speaker 3: What might they switch off of this? And then in addition,

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Speaker 3: where am I weak linked? Can I adjust anything with

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Speaker 3: my protection? Do I need to adjust anything with the

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Speaker 3: play called the audible? Where are my weak links on

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Speaker 3: the offensive line? If I'm not adjusting anything? And then

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Speaker 3: where do I need to go with the football, and

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Speaker 3: all of these things have to be happening. The processing

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Speaker 3: speed in the quarterback's mind in twenty twenty five has

485
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Speaker 3: to happen so much faster than anything that happened in

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Speaker 3: prior years. But the biggest thing is where's that pressure

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Speaker 3: coming from? Where are my weak links? So that I

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Speaker 3: know what I need to do with the football. And

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Speaker 3: in an ideal world, right John, you have answers to everything.

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Speaker 3: Before the snap, the defense is showing this look, they

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Speaker 3: might they've tended to shift to this. I'm going to

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Speaker 3: audible to this play. Then I see them make that

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Speaker 3: last shift. My offensive line is going to make the

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Speaker 3: blitz pick up appropriately, and I'm in a good play

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Speaker 3: and boom, We're going to have a successful play here.

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Speaker 3: That's a perfect world that does not happen very frequently

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Speaker 3: though in the NFL. And so understanding that pressure might

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Speaker 3: come on forty percent of your dropbacks and that the

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Speaker 3: Giants offensive line allows a lot of pressure, how are

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Speaker 3: we going to make sure that we get rid of

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Speaker 3: the ball so that we're not pressured, let alone sacked.

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Speaker 2: more things in terms of Russell fitting into the Giants

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Speaker 2: offense here one you had two other really interesting nuggets

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Speaker 2: in here. One was about his preference for eleven person

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Speaker 2: on how much better he's played aid with three wide

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Speaker 2: receivers on the field versus twelve personnel with a couple

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Speaker 2: of tight ends or twenty one with a couple of

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Speaker 2: running backs. And how do you see that now converting

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Speaker 2: to what the Giants want to do with Brian Dable

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Speaker 2: where they like to have three wide receivers on.

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Speaker 3: The field, Yeah, I love it. I think it's going

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Speaker 3: to be really fun and interesting and a real big

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Speaker 3: juxtaposition to what Russ has been dealing with in his

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Speaker 3: last two stops. Think back to what he was doing

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Speaker 3: in Denver in twenty twenty three. In Pittsburgh in twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty four, the Denver Broncos with Sean Payton used eleven

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Speaker 3: personnel on fifty two percent of their snaps. That was

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Speaker 3: twenty fifth most eleven personnel, the Pittsburgh Steelers were even

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Speaker 3: less than that forty six percent. That ranked twenty sixth

525
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Speaker 3: in the NFL last year. So the past two years

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Speaker 3: twenty fifth and twenty sixth in terms of usage of

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Speaker 3: eleven personnel. Brian Daballs New York Giants are up at

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Speaker 3: sixty nine percent last year. That was number five in

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Speaker 3: the NFL in frequency of eleven personnel. And if you

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Speaker 3: look at Russ's splits in twenty three and in twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty four, the last two years when he was throwing

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Speaker 3: out of eleven personnel, which was still right around fifty percent, right,

533
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Speaker 3: we're talking about forty six percent, fifty two percent, So

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Speaker 3: there's a good sample size. Fifty percent of the time

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Speaker 3: he's still throwing out eleven personnel. He ranked number five

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Speaker 3: four an EPA per attempt, number nine in success, number

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Speaker 3: ten in yards pert tempt, number one in touchdown rate.

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Speaker 3: He was great. But when he threw with heavier personnel,

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Speaker 3: two or fewer wide receivers, whether it was two tight

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Speaker 3: ends out on the field, the full back out on

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Speaker 3: the field, whatever, this exact personnel grouping was twelve, twenty one, thirteen,

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Speaker 3: et cetera. Forty first forty first out of forty three

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Speaker 3: qualifying quarterbacks, forty first in EPA, forty first in success,

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Speaker 3: thirty seventh in yards per attempt. So all that heavier

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Speaker 3: personnel that's designed to trick the defense that hey, it

546
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Speaker 3: might be an actual run and now we're going to

547
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Speaker 3: pass off of that was not working very well for

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Speaker 3: Russell Wilson. When they put in eleven person and it

549
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Speaker 3: was more likely to be a clear and obvious Russ

550
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Speaker 3: could see the defense and make those adjustments and if

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Speaker 3: he maybe identified pressure a little bit better because the

552
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Speaker 3: defense was spread. He was one of the top ten

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Speaker 3: quarterbacks in the NFL over the last two years. So

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Speaker 3: that brings me to feel really strongly that this could

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Speaker 3: be an actual better pairing for Russ. Then Pittsburgh then Denver,

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Speaker 3: and we saw highs and lows, and mostly lows in

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Speaker 3: Denver and some highs in Pittsburgh. But I think we've

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Speaker 3: got much more upside here with this offense for Russ

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Speaker 3: and the way he fits with Brian Dable, which I

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Speaker 3: didn't know entering my process of writing this book. I

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Speaker 3: wasn't as versed in what Russ was struggling with when

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Speaker 3: he was in Pittsburgh last year, for example, when we're

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Speaker 3: looking at those games, it's like, Okay, they use, you know,

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Speaker 3: heavier personnel fifty two percent of time, eleven personnel forty

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Speaker 3: eight percent of time. But I wasn't running those splits

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Speaker 3: to get a better understanding as to how much better

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Speaker 3: he was out of eleven personnel. But now that I've

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Speaker 3: had the time this offseason to dig into it, it

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Speaker 3: just gives me a lot more optimism for this upcoming season.

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Speaker 1: All right. Second part of it is throwing over the middle.

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Speaker 2: It's something that Russell Wilson has never been great at

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Speaker 2: in terms of frequency, especially in an intermediate area of

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Speaker 2: the field. He's been more of a perimeter thrower. A

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Speaker 2: lot of his stuff over the middle, And you detail

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Speaker 2: this in your book. Is dump off stuff sure, right

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Speaker 2: like right near the line of scrimmage. How do you

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Speaker 2: think that's going to mold together with the way Brian

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Speaker 2: Dable likes to utilize the middle of the field.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. The good part is I think eighty percent of

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Speaker 3: the passes between the numbers for the Giants where ten

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Speaker 3: yards are or fewer, which was fourth and of thirty

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Speaker 3: two teams, fifty three percent traveled five plus yards, which

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Speaker 3: was lower. So Brian Daball doesn't really work deep down

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Speaker 3: the middle of the field very frequently, and that's not

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Speaker 3: something that Russell Wilson has excelled in. So I do

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Speaker 3: think that there could be a decent pairing. They're not

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Speaker 3: going to ask him to do something that he's not

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Speaker 3: as comfortable doing. The Giants do throw an above average

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Speaker 3: forty seven percent attempts between the numbers, which is more

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Speaker 3: than what Russell Wilson has been asked to do in

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Speaker 3: the past. In Pittsburgh and in Denver, he was only

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Speaker 3: throwing the ball thirty seven percent of the time between

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Speaker 3: the numbers, which was forty two out of forty six

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Speaker 3: qualifying quarterbacks. So the Giants are going to throw there more,

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Speaker 3: but they are throwing their shorter which is where Russ

596
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Speaker 3: is a little bit better. But you know, that is

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Speaker 3: going to be something that's interesting. We'll have to see

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Speaker 3: how he ends up doing here, because he has not

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Speaker 3: been wanting to throw the ball over the middle, and

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Speaker 3: that was always one of the issues like that led

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Speaker 3: to his time to leave Seattle. Everybody was talking about,

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Speaker 3: you know, he's not throwing the ball over the middle

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Speaker 3: of field. What is he doing, and then in Denver

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Speaker 3: the same type of thing. It was a little bit

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Speaker 3: more clear where he's going to be throwing the ball,

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Speaker 3: a little bit more predictable, and so you know, Brian

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Speaker 3: dabol will ask him to be throwing the football over

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Speaker 3: in the middle of the field. The interesting thing will

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Speaker 3: be Russ being the veteran, Dave All being a great

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Speaker 3: offensive mind. You know, will Russ be able to tell them, look, Daves,

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Speaker 3: I don't really want to do this. I want to

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Speaker 3: do something else, and Will Dave's be like, we need

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Speaker 3: to be doing this more in my offense. You're going

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Speaker 3: to have to throw the ball more where you don't

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Speaker 3: necessarily like to, and then how's that going to end

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Speaker 3: up working? What will those results be? So that's going

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Speaker 3: to be an interesting thing to watch early on in

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Speaker 3: the twenty twenty five season is just how frequently is

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Speaker 3: Russ throwing the ball over the middlefield and what are

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Speaker 3: those results. If you want to know how to manage

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Speaker 1: Hey, I can also talk long care.

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Speaker 2: I know the other key you put out there to

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Speaker 2: the Giants red zone officient. Red zone efficiency on offense.

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Speaker 2: The last two years, warrant has just been abysmal. It

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Speaker 2: has not been good. And if this offense wants to

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Speaker 2: score more points, which are going to have to if

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Speaker 2: they're gonna want to win more games, that's something that

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Speaker 2: also has to get better.

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Speaker 1: Correct.

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Speaker 3: They ran thirty two in red zone efficiency last year

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Speaker 3: after ranking thirty one in red zone efficiency in twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty three. So they got to start faster, and they

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Speaker 3: got to convert when they're down there. If they take

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Speaker 3: the time to get the ball down into the red zone,

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Speaker 3: which is not something your offense has been particularly good

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Speaker 3: at over the last several years, it has to count.

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Speaker 3: You've got to figure out the best plays to call

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Speaker 3: versus that defense so that you're going to have efficiency

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Speaker 3: down inside of the red zone. Because like explosive plays,

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Speaker 3: red zone drives that end with three points or a

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Speaker 3: turnover on downs versus a touchdown can swing games. That

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Speaker 3: performance inside of the red zone absolutely can swing games.

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Speaker 3: And so it's something that from a play calling perspective

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Speaker 3: to an execution perspective just simply has to improve, and

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Speaker 3: there's no reason it can't with Russell Wilson there in

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty five. But it needs to be an emphasis.

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Speaker 3: Like you said, those faster starts are an emphasis inside

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Speaker 3: the building, same has to be the case for what

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Speaker 3: they do inside of the red zone.

655
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Speaker 2: And now, I don't think Giant fans want to hear

656
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 2: this because they've been patient enough Warren, but I feel

657
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 2: like we should warn the Giant fans at the start

658
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 2: of this year they're probably going to have to be

659
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 2: a little patient with the offense, mostly because of the

660
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 2: schedule the Giants have in terms of opposing pass defense

661
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Speaker 2: as they're going up against.

662
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Speaker 1: You detail this in your book.

663
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Speaker 2: Overall, the Giants of the second hardest schedule for an

664
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Speaker 2: offense over the course of the year, third hardest for

665
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Speaker 2: basically most of your passing metrics as well, but it's

666
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Speaker 2: especially tough at.

667
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Speaker 1: The beginning of the year.

668
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Speaker 2: Why don't you break it down for Giants fans.

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Speaker 3: It's not fair really that the Giants, a team with

670
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 3: a record as bad as they were, who came within

671
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 3: a whisker of landing the number one overall, pick are

672
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Speaker 3: forced to play a schedule that's the number one most

673
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Speaker 3: difficult in the NFL based upon opponent win totals, that's

674
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 3: number two in the NFL based upon opponent efficiency, and

675
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Speaker 3: is absolutely brutal for opposing quarterbacks. I mean, what Russ

676
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 3: Wilson is going to out to deal with this year

677
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 3: is the third most difficult schedule of opposing pass defenses

678
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 3: start to finish, but the first eight weeks of the season.

679
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 3: Think about this, Giants Fans, first eight weeks of the season.

680
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 3: Russell Wilson is going to be facing five defenses last

681
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 3: year that ranks top seven against the pass. The Broncos,

682
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 3: the Eagles, the Charters, the Commanders, and the Chiefs. They're

683
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 3: playing all of them. They play the Eagles twice Week

684
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Speaker 3: six and Week eight. It is by far the number

685
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Speaker 3: one toughest schedule of pass defenses for any team to

686
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Speaker 3: start the year. Which is obviously why I don't think

687
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Speaker 3: it's wise to even think about trying to incorporate Jackson

688
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 3: Dart into the offense at any time early on in

689
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Speaker 3: the season. But it's also why it theoretically could be

690
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Speaker 3: a little bit discouraging. I've given a lot of things

691
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 3: to be optimistic about, which I like doing. I'd rather

692
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 3: talk optimism with fan basis than pessimism, but I'm always

693
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 3: going to be truthful with them. This does throw a

694
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 3: bucket of cold water on the fact that like this

695
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 3: offense could start out quick, this offense could look good,

696
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,720
Speaker 3: or this the addition of Russell Wilson is gonna be

697
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 3: because these day ball's most talented quarterback is going to

698
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 3: make a night and day difference, and he's gonna be

699
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 3: able to throw the ball deeper down the field and

700
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 3: have more efficiency there and look better in eleven person.

701
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 3: All these great things that are likely to happen overall

702
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 3: might not look pretty at the first seven weeks of

703
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 3: the season because of this schedule of the first eight weeks.

704
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 3: It's it's it's it's just going to be something that

705
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 3: the Giants are going to have to be patient with

706
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Speaker 3: and work through. And I know fans are not gonna

707
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 3: like to hear that, and I know fans are gonna

708
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:44,720
Speaker 3: surely express their feelings from the stands if Russell Wilson

709
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 3: is coming in there and looking poorly because of their

710
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 3: preconceptions with Russell Wilson from years past, and if he

711
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 3: performs poorly against the Broncos in Week seven, or you know,

712
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,399
Speaker 3: the Eagles in a couple of games. It's not gonna

713
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 3: it's not gonna be great. But it's a tough schedule.

714
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Speaker 1: I don't know what.

715
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Speaker 3: Let's tell you. It's the team that almost picked first

716
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 3: should not have to play a schedule that's this difficult.

717
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 3: But that's just the luck of the draw. But the

718
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 3: NFL does not assign schedules. These schedules are are given

719
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 3: based upon where you finished last year and based upon

720
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 3: a secular nature of how they rotate things around. And

721
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 3: this is what the Giants have to deal with this

722
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:22,439
Speaker 3: year in twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: I just can't believe you would intimate that fans in

724
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Speaker 2: the New York, New Jersey area are not patient and

725
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 2: understanding warrant.

726
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Speaker 1: I just don't understand where you could have gotten that, what.

727
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 2: You guys are known for, anything else about the strength

728
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 2: of schedule and just the teams are playing. Either from

729
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 2: the Giants' perspective on defense, jump at as you're heading

730
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Speaker 2: into the year that you think fans should kind of

731
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Speaker 2: be aware of. No.

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Speaker 3: I just it's it's crazy to me. This offensive line

733
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 3: the team has spent a lot of money and resources

734
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 3: into this offensive line is one of the most expensive

735
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 3: in the NFL, yet the production has been one of

736
00:35:57,880 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 3: the worst in the NFL, and some of that has

737
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:03,320
Speaker 3: to do at the quarterback. And this is the results

738
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 3: in the twenty twenty five season are really going to

739
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 3: come down to how well day Ball can coach the

740
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 3: team through this and navigate the waters. There's a lot

741
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 3: of pressure on his shoulders this year in my opinion.

742
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 3: Obviously they're going out after this quarterback and is if

743
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 3: his offense still looks bad with a quarterback like Russell Wilson,

744
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 3: that's not going to bode very well. But he has

745
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 3: to also figure out when to incorporate the future into

746
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 3: this thing with as it relates to Jackson Dart and

747
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,240
Speaker 3: how to manage expectations for the fans and the media

748
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 3: to know when this guy is going to potentially be

749
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 3: introduced and then how that looks when he does get introduced.

750
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 3: There's a lot on day Ball's plate here at a

751
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 3: year he's already sort of on the hot seat, so

752
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 3: it's going to be a big challenge in twenty twenty five.

753
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 3: The results might not always look pretty, but I do

754
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 3: feel more optimistic about the Giants this year than I

755
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 3: did the Giants last year. Entering the start of the season.

756
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 3: I just wish the schedule was a little bit easier

757
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,800
Speaker 3: because that definitely plays a role. You guys are favored

758
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:11,399
Speaker 3: in just one out of seventeen games this season, your

759
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 3: win total, and you're you're supposed to finish last in

760
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 3: the NFC East. So as the East gets stronger, you

761
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 3: guys are your better team this year, certainly, and maybe

762
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 3: there's some ways around it. If the path to success

763
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:29,879
Speaker 3: John is defense that I think is really good, continuing

764
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 3: to improve. It's a quarterback that's better than what you've

765
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 3: had before, playing to his strengths and trying to hide

766
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 3: his weaknesses, which we've seen day Ball do really well

767
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 3: in the past. And it's figuring out a way to

768
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 3: start games faster and convert in the red zone. If

769
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 3: you do all of those things, you will exceed expectations.

770
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Speaker 3: The issue is it's not gonna produce still might not

771
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,839
Speaker 3: produce a winning season, but it'll it'll let you, guys

772
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,479
Speaker 3: will exceed the expectations that have been set forth upon

773
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 3: you based upon like the betting markets, for example, or

774
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 3: just what the general intelligent, savvy analysts thinks that the

775
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 3: Giants are going to do in twenty twenty five. You'll

776
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 3: do better than that.

777
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 2: It's funny, I said on one of our shows the

778
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 2: other day, where this team could play much better. The

779
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 2: record might not look much difference, but fans should really

780
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 2: enjoy the much better point differential.

781
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Speaker 1: I know that doesn't generally get people.

782
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,839
Speaker 2: Excited, but you can get through these first four weeks

783
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 2: of the year where they have the command, there's Cowboys

784
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 2: charges and Chiefs b zero to four, play four close games,

785
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 2: actually be impressed with the way the team is played.

786
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 2: But you're looking at an zero to four record. It's

787
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 2: just it's really really tough.

788
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:40,919
Speaker 3: It's all about just showing growth and showing improvement. And

789
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 3: like you said, if you can come out here and

790
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 3: actually put up some points in these games and look

791
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 3: a little bit better and look more buttoned up and constructed,

792
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 3: and if it's not every single time the offense coming

793
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 3: to the sideline and failure and people being discouraged with

794
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 3: one another and heads down or yelling, and you know,

795
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 3: if things look a little bit more buttoned up because

796
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,839
Speaker 3: the offense is having more success, I do think that

797
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 3: that's going to be a bomb that kind of helps

798
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 3: cure some of the als of the team actually losing

799
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 3: some games. So I'm cautiously optimistic, but I'm reserved in

800
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 3: my judgment. I think that you guys are going to

801
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 3: be in for a very difficult twenty twenty five, but

802
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,439
Speaker 3: I think it you have the tools here to look

803
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 3: a little bit better, and I'm I just want Russ

804
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,839
Speaker 3: to I want all my research to pay off, John,

805
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 3: I want I want Russ to actually look like I

806
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 3: think that he is capable of looking. Because I have

807
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 3: like that five percent opinion of Russ. Ninety five percent

808
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:40,839
Speaker 3: of the people are selling him. They don't think he's

809
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 3: good anymore. They don't think he and I am looking

810
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 3: at finding air aspects where I still think he's a

811
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 3: quality quarterback who can perform, And I just want to

812
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 3: see enough of that this season and then I'll feel

813
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 3: a little bit better about about my analysis of you

814
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 3: guys over the last several months.

815
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Speaker 2: Let's close with this because you mentioned it very briefly

816
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 2: at the top of your last answer that you think

817
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 2: the Giants defense is going to be really good.

818
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 1: So do I.

819
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 2: They got really good pass rushers, They had a couple

820
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 2: veterans in the secondary. I know a lot of your

821
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 2: analysis and breakdown the chapters about the Giants offense. But

822
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 2: if the offense can you know, keep games close, maybe

823
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 2: get a couple leads here or there, what do you

824
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 2: think this defense is capable of doing.

825
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 3: I mean, we've got you guys ranked as the fourth

826
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 3: best front seven in the NFL. From a pure talent perspective,

827
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 3: you guys last year played the sixth toughest schedule of

828
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 3: opposing offenses. Now we've got you playing the sixteenth toughest

829
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 3: schedule of opposing offenses. So you're going to play teams

830
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:41,320
Speaker 3: that are a little bit weaker offensively theoretically on paper

831
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Speaker 3: as we enter the season. That's all we can look

832
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,320
Speaker 3: at right now, and we think from a talent perspective,

833
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 3: your defense is better, especially in that front seven, So

834
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 3: make an impact on the game. I mean, that defensive

835
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 3: line can absolutely get after opposing quarterbacks. But what will

836
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 3: be a problem is if you are falling behind and

837
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 3: that opposing offense just has the ability to run the

838
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 3: ball out, doesn't have to sit there and drop back

839
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 3: and pass. And wouldn't it be nice to play in

840
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 3: that position of strength where the opposing team is the

841
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 3: one in the second half that has to pass the ball,

842
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 3: and then your defensive line in your front seven to

843
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 3: figure out creative ways to get after them and wreak

844
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 3: havoc on that opposing quarterback as opposed to that chew

845
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 3: being always on the other foot and it always happening

846
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 3: to you guys. That's when we really see the strengths

847
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,959
Speaker 3: of this defense come out, and when it'll be fun

848
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 3: to watch this defense performance with a lead in the

849
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 3: second half, so the defense has to play their guts

850
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 3: out for all sixty minutes. Hopefully the offense can really

851
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 3: front load some of their best stuff so that you

852
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 3: guys can then have a little bit more fun in

853
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 3: the second half of some of these games. But I

854
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 3: absolutely believe that your defense is that side of the

855
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 3: ball can keep you guys in games and keep things competitive.

856
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Speaker 3: In twenty twenty.

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Speaker 3: So thanks for having me as always, John, it's a

869
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Speaker 3: pleasure to talk giants with you and the state of

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Speaker 2: This is going to air a little bit later, but

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Speaker 2: we're fifty days from kickoff and I can't wait. The

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Speaker 2: football season's coming fast, and fewers weren't always great getting

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Speaker 2: your insights and your takes.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate the time and we'll talk soon, all right.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me, Warren Sharp and the.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you next time. Everybody,