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He is one of the 49 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 4: few voices I think that's really out there in terms 50 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 4: of NBA media that really discusses betting. 51 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 2: It's hard to find those of us that are interested 52 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 2: in the. 53 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 4: Betting side of the NBA that have actual like media gigs, 54 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 4: because you know, it's hard. So we had a great conversation. 55 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 4: We talked about all sorts of stuff. We talked about 56 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 4: live betting, his approach to it. We talked about this 57 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 4: restart and the totals going wonky. We covered the whole gamut. 58 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 4: It's a great conversation. I'm sure you'll enjoy it. Here's 59 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 4: my conversation with Preston Johnson from ESPN. 60 00:02:59,080 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 2: So thanks for coming on. 61 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 4: Let's I want to get your first impressions of what 62 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 4: it's been like, not only watching basketball in the bubble, 63 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 4: but also it was been like betting basketball in the bubble. 64 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 2: Would have been your impressions from this first week of play. 65 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 3: So, I mean the markets have been fluctuating quite a bit, 66 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 3: just relative to the totals. I mean that start, everyone 67 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 3: knows about it by now, but all the totals were 68 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 3: super low because the odds of makers are trying to adjust 69 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 3: for the four plus month layoff. Maybe new grams, new courts, 70 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 3: guys weren't accustomed to playing in an uncomfortable, unique bubble 71 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:32,519 Speaker 3: of all sorts. They all were going over. They adjusted. 72 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 3: Then there was kind of, I think a general run 73 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 3: of unders, like just you know that are hitting just 74 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 3: under a sixty percent clip since those first games. So 75 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 3: I think it's kind of balanced at this point where 76 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 3: you're not kind to really just find an edge blindly 77 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 3: betting one way or the other. But I will say 78 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 3: just as a whole, as a fan, I mean, it's 79 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 3: been so fun to watch, just to have a restart, 80 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 3: to have basketball to follow, and I've found myself regrettably 81 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 3: at times betting more games than I probably should. But 82 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 3: I'm like, it's eleven three am here on the West Coast, 83 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 3: like I need a fire on this King's Pelicans game. 84 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 3: It worked out this time. I took a small piece 85 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 3: of the Kings, But it just depends on the day. Yesterday, 86 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 3: you know, I took a small piece of someone else 87 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 3: the lost. So it just I find myself the volumes 88 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 3: going up. But it's been fun and that's part of it. 89 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, as we sit here on when recording this on Thursday, 90 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 4: now with this with the King's absurd over that I 91 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 4: had covered at the ten minute mark of the fourth quarter, 92 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:25,719 Speaker 4: which just made me feel so good inside. 93 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 2: The overs are twenty seventeen and one. 94 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 4: But as we're recording this, heat Bucks looks like it's 95 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:35,840 Speaker 4: gonna go over, but Pacers' Sons is probably gonna go under. 96 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 4: So you're looking at what twenty one and eighteen, so 97 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 4: that again. 98 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 2: Not much of an edge there. You're right the early on. 99 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 4: So I had bet the overs aggressively early because I 100 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 4: thought that the books were overestimating that impact. And when 101 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 4: I talked to coaches closer that we got to well, 102 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 4: I talked to people in the league, mostly the closer 103 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 4: we got to the restart, there was a lot of 104 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 4: like looking pretty good, like they're pretty comfortable in the environment, 105 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:01,280 Speaker 4: and I was like, okay, So I went the other 106 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 4: way on it. And then they went oh to two 107 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 4: on opening night and I was like, well, there goes 108 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 4: that plan. 109 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 2: But I stuck with it. The next day. I was like, 110 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 2: all right, let's give it one more day. 111 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 4: If I get killed on the unders today, I'm betting 112 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:14,719 Speaker 4: the overs, then I'll back off of it. But it 113 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:16,720 Speaker 4: worked out well from there, and you're right that it 114 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:18,919 Speaker 4: has fluctuated, but it does seem like they're having a 115 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 4: hard time pegging the numbers. 116 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 2: The range on these has been. 117 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:25,359 Speaker 4: I think because the teams themselves I don't tend to 118 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 4: think of like I don't think they're necessarily the same 119 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 4: as when we exited, Like I do think teams are 120 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 4: operating a little bit differently, and a lot of that's 121 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 4: just like, Okay, if you ran into a small like 122 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 4: the Celtics Circot example of this right where their defense 123 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 4: has been absolutely atrocious. So it's like if you ran 124 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 4: into a week where they just played bad defense for 125 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 4: a week, Yeah, sure, if you bet the under like 126 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 4: the overs there, it was, it was profitable, but overall 127 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 4: it's probably not a good strategy. But I do like 128 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 4: trying to gauge this like really hyper focused environment with 129 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 4: a limited number of teams that are all pretty good, 130 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 4: so you don't have those nights where it's just like, yeah, 131 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 4: the Cavalary gave up like a million points, but they 132 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 4: also shot like. 133 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 2: Twenty percent from the field. 134 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 4: Like having a higher bar I feel like has eliminated 135 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,719 Speaker 4: some of the instability, and that has been to me 136 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 4: at least more fun to bet. It's been less maddening. 137 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 4: I think on a day to day basis than the NBA. 138 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 4: I don't know if that how that changes your evaluation 139 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 4: of the edge or not. 140 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 3: Though in the end, and the edge is, you know, 141 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 3: the edge. You're trying to look at your numbers or 142 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 3: projections and compare it to the market. There are fewer blowouts, 143 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 3: it seems, in the lines obviously outside of that one 144 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 3: that's Buckskin, which then doesn't even matter because then that's 145 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:36,280 Speaker 3: went out, right. They're generally shorter lines. So your point's good. 146 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 3: Though about teams, it's interesting because it's way more nuance 147 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 3: than just like, Okay, are they going over or are 148 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 3: they not over a couple of games because the samples 149 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:46,679 Speaker 3: so small. But there are different teams. You mentioned the Celtics, 150 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 3: but the Spurs especially, they're playing way faster, They're worse defensively, 151 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 3: They're playing Rudy Gay at center for at least half 152 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:54,479 Speaker 3: of the minutes. It seems like, so all of their 153 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 3: totals are going over. The Sixers just absolutely atocious defensively 154 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 3: but offensively, putting more to the second unit and using 155 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 3: Shake Millet and a point guard. They've been better compared 156 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 3: to the regular season numbers. Their offensive ratings up, so 157 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 3: their totals have been going through the roof, so it's 158 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 3: definitely dependent where you want to use numbers or your 159 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 3: priors right what you had from the previous regular season. 160 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 3: We'll call it versus this new one. But I think 161 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 3: we need to be more aggressive to adjust numbers after 162 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 3: just a couple of games in this bubble because teams 163 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 3: are playing with at least somewhat of a different But 164 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 3: even the Pelicans you talked about them, they've been playing 165 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 3: slower their last few games. Their offensive efficiency was down, 166 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 3: their defensive efficiency was better. They've been playing slower, and 167 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 3: then today against the Kings that all kind of aggressed 168 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 3: back to what you would have expected had they played 169 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 3: in March. So it's really tough. It's interesting, which is 170 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 3: why I think what I've actually found myself doing more 171 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 3: often than not is I said, my volume's gone up 172 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 3: because I've wanted to have action if I think there's 173 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 3: an edge at any point or any game is I'm 174 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 3: betting a lot of games for like half of my 175 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 3: normal sizing. So if I was to bet one hundred 176 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 3: dollars on something normally, I find myself doing a lot 177 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 3: of fifty dollars bets just so I don't feel like 178 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 3: I missed out. If I was right, then maybe I'm 179 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 3: wrong more often just because I'm betting more often. But 180 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:04,239 Speaker 3: I think in a situation, I guess if the bubble 181 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 3: you just feel like you're all over the place, decrease 182 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 3: your bet size, and there's like you're never going to 183 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 3: be upset if you save money by betting less, or 184 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 3: if you still win, you're still winning money, You're never 185 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 3: gonna really be upset about that either. So I think 186 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 3: that's maybe my one recommendation for people that just like 187 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 3: it's been so back and forth, what do I do 188 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 3: all these teams are different and then they go back 189 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 3: to normal when I think that the Pelicans game is 190 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 3: going to go under, except you had the over today, 191 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 3: So it can be kind of confusing and a little hectic, 192 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 3: But in those cases, just don't go as well. 193 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's one where I think it's This is 194 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 4: where it's actually been fun. And betting is often times 195 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 4: maddening for me on the NBA, but it's been fun 196 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 4: for me this week because in part so like we 197 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 4: on the broadcast, we're calling games. 198 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 2: By the way, those of you listening, we can catch. 199 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 4: Us on an NBA bet cast throughout the rest of 200 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 4: the of the remainder of the regular season, justin fan 201 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 4: Chris Raybond and I it's been a lot of fun. 202 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 4: We did Magic Pacers and Chris Raybond was talking about 203 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 4: He's like, you know, they've been shooting really high. So 204 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 4: I actually looked up with the expect I've been using 205 00:08:57,440 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 4: expected value on effective field goal percentage. 206 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 2: Was like, oh yeah, like they're shooting seven percent higher. 207 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 4: I'm always looking for those high outliers to then be 208 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:07,959 Speaker 4: aware of, like the factoring on that regression. That was 209 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 4: part of my play with the Pelicans is I was like, wait, 210 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 4: their defense is actually should be giving up the twenty 211 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 4: second and they've given up the sixth best. That's not 212 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:17,559 Speaker 4: gonna hold, Like there's no way. Like I've watched the 213 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:19,559 Speaker 4: Pelicans enough, I know where they focus. And you talked 214 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 4: about the pace, like I know Alvin Gentry runs to run, 215 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:24,319 Speaker 4: like I know he's gonna be in practice being like, hey, 216 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 4: good game. We got to get push the pace more 217 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 4: like this is not how we want to play. And 218 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:32,839 Speaker 4: those little things exactly so like those little things I 219 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 4: think really add up in terms of evaluating it and 220 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 4: that stuff, like you know, the Lakers. Obviously, the big 221 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 4: talker has been about them missing shots, and it's true 222 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 4: that if you look at their expected affect the field 223 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 4: goal percentage, it's dramatically lower. But then on top of that, 224 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:46,679 Speaker 4: I saw today a quote from Joe Varden from The 225 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 4: Athletic that was from Lebron that was basically saying, yeah, 226 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 4: you know, there's stuff going on in the locker room 227 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 4: that I want to talk about, which, by the way, 228 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 4: is like a peak passive aggressive Lebron comment. 229 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:56,559 Speaker 3: Just I was gonna ask, you know, I'm a Lakers fan. 230 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 3: Does that just sound like an excuse to you? 231 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 2: It's just no, it's not an excuse. 232 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 4: It's the He does this a lot, like he communicates 233 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 4: through the media. I think in part because one, I 234 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 4: don't think he's he's hyper confrontational, Like I don't think 235 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 4: he's a guy that's gonna be like like basically, if 236 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 4: you're in practice and he gets the sense that you're 237 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:19,439 Speaker 4: not somebody he can trust, he's just not going to 238 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 4: trust you, like you're just out of the out of 239 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 4: his Like you're just out of his world. 240 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 2: Like that's what happened to Emon Schumbert, Right. That's why, 241 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 2: like j r. 242 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 4: Smith ascended and Emon Shumpert vanished off the face of 243 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 4: the Cavs planet. But what he does do is like 244 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 4: if it's somebody that he knows is necessary, like he 245 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 4: did this with Kevin Love with the fit Out, Don't 246 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 4: Fit In, like all of that stuff in Cleveland. He's 247 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:43,679 Speaker 4: known to communicate very publicly through media as a means 248 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 4: to avoid if he thinks that the conversation is gonna 249 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 4: is going to apply too much pressure if he's uncomfortable 250 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:50,599 Speaker 4: with it. And I don't know which one it is 251 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:53,719 Speaker 4: because I don't know Lebronwell he'll communicate that way. 252 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 2: So my sense I don't know who it is because 253 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 2: it could it could be a d because he's been 254 00:10:57,520 --> 00:10:59,679 Speaker 2: acting weird. It could be who's might could be whoever. 255 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 2: The problem is. 256 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 4: I do know this is that being around enough locker 257 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 4: rooms when there's one problem, everyone's like, well that's one guy. 258 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 2: No, no, it get like everybody. 259 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:09,679 Speaker 4: It's like having a guy in the office that's just 260 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 4: constantly moaning and complaining and making everyone miserable, like you 261 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 4: have to be there with them, and it just spreads. 262 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:20,199 Speaker 4: So I think that's that's part of what's going on 263 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 4: with that it's been I've had a lot of fun betting, 264 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 4: and like I like you, I've been like I look 265 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 4: at my board and I'm like, why do I have 266 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 4: so many bets? 267 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 2: Like why why am I doing this? And then I'm like, oh, yeah, 268 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 2: because I never any to bet on. 269 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 4: For four months and now I'm just like wee, So yeah, 270 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 4: been over extending a little bit. I wanted to talk 271 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 4: about some I want to ask. 272 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 3: Your position on futures. 273 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 2: Do you tend to bet a lot of futures or 274 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 2: do you stay away from them? In general? 275 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 3: The NBA is unique because, at least until this season, 276 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 3: it was basically Lebron in the East versus the Warriors 277 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 3: for the longest time, and there wasn't really value on 278 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 3: other teams. Right until last year, some injuries happened, things 279 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 3: break right, and the Raptors actually end up winning it all. 280 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 3: Everyone talks about entering this season, Oh, it's as wide 281 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 3: open as ever. Then now we have this bubble situation 282 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 3: where in theory it's more wide open, right because there's 283 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 3: no home court for the better teams gives at least 284 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 3: some degree or at least a better shot to some 285 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 3: degree to like say the Rockets or Celtic Sixers, Raptors 286 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 3: crew that could maybe make a run. I won't leave 287 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:27,560 Speaker 3: your Nuggets out because MPJ might be the truth. But 288 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 3: there's gonna be a team that I feel like, especially 289 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:32,319 Speaker 3: the Bucks. Now I know they've made a comeback here. 290 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 3: They're only down six to the Heat. At the end 291 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 3: of this third quarter, they were down twenty. You look 292 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 3: at their other game, obviously the Nets game, but prior 293 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 3: to that, right, they blow the lead late to Houston. 294 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 3: But even in that game at Houston, they took sixty 295 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 3: one threes because that's the way the Bucks defend them, 296 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 3: and they didn't even make a high percentage and they 297 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:49,680 Speaker 3: still beat them the game prior they are tied with 298 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 3: the Celtics in the final minute, they end up winning 299 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 3: the game by seven. But Tatum two for eighteen. This 300 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 3: worst game will probably ever have and so the Bucks 301 00:12:57,400 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 3: kind of feel like they're playing out of sorts. So 302 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 3: there's Jeff really not a ton of value betting NBA 303 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 3: futures in my opinion, just because in the recent you know, say, 304 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 3: seven years, it's kind of been pretty set on it's 305 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 3: probably going to be one of two teams barring huge injuries. 306 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 3: I wish I had more in my pocket this season. 307 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 3: All I've bet were rockets and Philly tickets, and Philly 308 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 3: just looks like a complete disaster. And then Ben Simmons 309 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 3: gets hurt anyways, and then I have Clippers that are 310 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:23,559 Speaker 3: like plus three thirty three is my average price for them. 311 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 3: And I think, ultimately, outside of the Lebron stuff we 312 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 3: were talking about, and I try to keep my Lakers 313 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 3: bias aside, but when Bradley and Rondo went out, as 314 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 3: low level as those names are, I just think that's 315 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 3: going to be a thing at some point as their 316 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 3: guard play. Lebron can't play point guard for forty eight minutes. 317 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 3: I love Caruso. I'll live and die for that guy, 318 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 3: but ultimately, like, you're probably not winning a NBA title 319 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 3: with Caruso alongside Lebron and Danny Green's played atrociously. So 320 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 3: I think the Clippers are still the team to win 321 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 3: it all. That's the team right now that I have 322 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 3: the biggest edge on versus the current market that everyone 323 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 3: can still get in that place. I think there's high 324 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 3: as three fifty some places still right now, and I 325 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 3: have them winning just over twenty seven percent of the time. 326 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 3: So I think that's the team that I would suggest 327 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:05,079 Speaker 3: to betting on right now, or if you can still 328 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 3: find decent prices on the Rockets, they still kind of 329 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 3: bring that high variance approach that has a chance right 330 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 3: in a seven game series in a bubble when who 331 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 3: knows who's shooting how well. 332 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 4: I'm almost trying to like game theory it out because 333 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 4: one of the reasons that I wind up going in 334 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 4: on finals matchups is you get longer odds on pretty 335 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 4: reasonable outcomes like. 336 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 2: I already had. 337 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 4: I had Bucks, Lakers, Bucks Clippers already, and then I 338 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 4: basically finally, finally just decided to get over all of 339 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 4: my other like every piece of analysis that I have 340 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 4: tells me like Toronto does not have enough half court offense. 341 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 2: I watched them dismand all the Lakers. 342 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 4: I watched them when that game versus the Heats, and 343 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 4: then I went in and I did a deep dive 344 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 4: for Action Network on their defense and was just like. 345 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 2: All right, five. 346 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 4: So I took a position on the raptors on Lakers 347 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 4: and Clippers as well. When you're looking at at trying 348 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 4: to evaluate title odds versus conference os, versus the finals matchup, 349 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 4: or any of those kind of props. Where do you 350 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 4: wind up? Do you just wind up going straight title? 351 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 4: Is that where the best value to you still is 352 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 4: Because I'm always worried about losing in the finals. I 353 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 4: know that presents you the hedge opportunity, but that's like 354 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 4: where I would. 355 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 3: Just be like, yeah, you're so close, and they don't 356 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 3: actually get it done. So it's going to be dependent 357 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 3: on the team. So if I like the Clippers at 358 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 3: plus three fifty, let's say to win it all, I'm 359 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 3: not really going to try to guess who their matchup 360 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 3: would be against or bet on multiple teams, because even 361 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 3: if it were the Bucks now, because the Bucks don't 362 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 3: have home court, You're right, they're the team that really 363 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 3: took the biggest hit from this outside of just the 364 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 3: fact that they won't have home court through the finals. 365 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 3: But I think Giannis was averaging thirty point nine minutes 366 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 3: per game but was resting I'm like, pretty regularly throughout 367 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 3: the season. Now everyone has four plus months of rest. 368 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 3: I think the Clippers would be a favorite now over 369 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 3: the Bucks. So if I have a bet where I 370 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 3: can get paid where I'm going to have the favorite 371 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 3: over the other team, then I'm going to generally just 372 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 3: bet the entire way. If I think, say I bet 373 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 3: the Rockets, I would prefer to bet the Rockets potentially 374 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 3: just to win the West versus winning the whole thing, 375 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 3: because they're going to likely be an underdog against the 376 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 3: Bucks even if they were to upset the Clippers or Lakers. 377 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 3: So it's going to be somewhat dependent on price and 378 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 3: the team and who I projected they would meet in 379 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 3: the finals. But when you're taking long shots and if 380 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 3: you like so, in a situation like this, I definitely 381 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 3: think there are more opportunities to go finals matchup, especially 382 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 3: if you say, like Rocket Celtics, I believe it's like 383 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 3: eighty to one, Like if you think the Celtics have 384 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 3: a real shot, right, They hung with the Bucks the 385 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 3: other day and Tatum was two for eighteen and it 386 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 3: came down and I had a Bucks minus four ticket, 387 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 3: and that reversal and the Marcus Smart charge on Giannis 388 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 3: that swung three points when it was tied one, I 389 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 3: was seven. I thought that probably should have stood. And 390 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 3: Boston has the ball of them and it left in 391 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 3: the tai game instead, So I think that Boston's a 392 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 3: great look. And then you know, you pair with Houston, 393 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 3: then you're getting a huge payout of eighty to one 394 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 3: for example. So it's it's going to be dependent on 395 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 3: the teams and then ultimately who you project them to play. 396 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 3: But I just still know what to think of the 397 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 3: Bucks right now. I really don't, and it's kind of 398 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 3: confusing me where I feel like I should be betting 399 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 3: all these other teams, but I also shouldn't be reacting 400 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 3: to one week of bubble basketball from you know, the 401 00:16:58,960 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 3: Milwaukee Bucks. 402 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 2: So here's where I'm at. 403 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 4: So my belief is, and this is the Ben Simmons 404 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:05,439 Speaker 4: news throws a wrench in a lot for me, Like 405 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:07,119 Speaker 4: this just throws a wrench and so much for me, 406 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 4: because when the Pacers came out and were just killing it, 407 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:12,679 Speaker 4: I was like, Oh, they're not going to slide to six. 408 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 4: And if they don't slide to six, then that means 409 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 4: that six Ers Celtics in the first round. And since 410 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:22,879 Speaker 4: since they lost Horford and Baines, they do not have 411 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 4: a counter for Embiid, like they just flat out do night. 412 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 4: Like their front court is one of the worst in 413 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:30,399 Speaker 4: the playoffs, Like it's us cannor Grant, Like I like 414 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 4: Grant Williams a lot. I like Daniel Tye a lot. 415 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:34,880 Speaker 4: You cannot put those guys up against Joel Embid. He's 416 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:37,679 Speaker 4: gonna foul them all out if Embid is engaged, Like 417 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 4: that's always the problem. But Simmons, I think, honestly haven't 418 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 4: done enough work on the sixers now, Like, not only 419 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 4: is Ben Simmons like their best player, like it's by 420 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 4: a pretty fair margin, and so like they're losing their 421 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 4: most impactful player even and all of their changes to 422 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 4: the offense were built around what moving Simmons of the 423 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 4: four could do for them, and now you lose this 424 00:17:57,359 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 4: huge component with him being out. 425 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 2: So I'm like, does that swing it enough? 426 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:04,879 Speaker 4: Can I have confidence in the Celtics because well, basically, 427 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:06,880 Speaker 4: like I already have bucks positions because I think they're 428 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:08,679 Speaker 4: the best team, and I just keep being like, I 429 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 4: just keep thinking of it the way that I tend 430 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:13,680 Speaker 4: to play poker, which is which is where I'm just like, Look, 431 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 4: my position with poker eventually got to be where I 432 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:18,399 Speaker 4: was like, look, if I get all my money in 433 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 4: with what I know is the best hand at the time, 434 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 4: then I can feel confident, like I could feel okay 435 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:25,159 Speaker 4: in how the hand plays out, I'm not going to 436 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:26,920 Speaker 4: go on till so I'm like, all right, if I go, 437 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 4: if I get the money in with the Bucks now, 438 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 4: and then I'm like this game today is a perfect 439 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:33,399 Speaker 4: example of it. Like I'm going to be betting against 440 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 4: them versus the Heat if the Heat knock off the Pacers, 441 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 4: which is what it's looking like. I'm going to be 442 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 4: betting the Heat pretty heavy with the knowledge that I'm like, okay, 443 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 4: even if they if the Bucks win, I still have 444 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:47,160 Speaker 4: them in title futures, because that's kind of like where 445 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 4: I wound up. Now I'm worried about the Celtics, but 446 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:50,400 Speaker 4: that was the whole thing with the Sixers. I was like, wait, 447 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 4: if the Celtic if the Sixers. I'm in this complicated 448 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 4: game theory system here where I'm like, Okay, if the 449 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 4: Sixers knock off the Celtics, I don't have to worry 450 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 4: about the Celtics knocking off the Bucks. I think the 451 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 4: Bucks can beat the Sixers, but I don't know if 452 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 4: the Bucks can beat the Heat. Like this is the 453 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 4: complicated wheel that I bind myself into, which is often 454 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 4: where I find myself in trouble. But these scenarios are 455 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:13,719 Speaker 4: where it's difficult or in the West, it's it's much simpler, right, Like, 456 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 4: I think the Rockets have a chance of upsetting either 457 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 4: the Clippers or the Lakers, but I don't think they 458 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 4: can do it twice. Like that's kind of the big 459 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 4: thing there is, Like the Rockets need to get the four, 460 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 4: beat the Lakers, and have the Nuggets up to the Clippers, 461 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 4: which I do actually think is possible. 462 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:29,679 Speaker 2: I'm the only one. 463 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 4: I am the only person on I'm not sure the 464 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 4: Clippers are that good island. 465 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:36,880 Speaker 2: I'm the only one. It's just me on a small 466 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 2: piece of dirt in the ocean. 467 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:42,199 Speaker 3: I think you are. Let's tell us real quick. Are 468 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:46,919 Speaker 3: the Nuggets just resting Harris Barton Murray not precautionarily? Do 469 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 3: you think they're actually injured or beat banged up? 470 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, so Murray is banged up, and Murray may wind 471 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,160 Speaker 4: up playing this is recorded Thursday afternoon. He may play 472 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 4: versus Blazers. It really depends on how much they're going 473 00:19:58,640 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 4: to be. 474 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 3: Like, eh, I already rested too, I think back to back. Yeah, Yeah, 475 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 3: like they just I just don't know if Denver is 476 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 3: just like playing it cool, but they also have a 477 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 3: real shot at to see too. 478 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:11,920 Speaker 4: So I asked, I asked Malone, and I'm always caught 479 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 4: like I'm always cautious with the caveat the coaches a 480 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:14,719 Speaker 4: lie GMS Live. 481 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:15,640 Speaker 2: It's part of the process. 482 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 4: But Malone is pretty straightforward with us about stuff that 483 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,199 Speaker 4: he like, if you can't talk about it, he'll just 484 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 4: say or if he doesn't want to, he'll just be like, 485 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 4: I'm not going to answer it. 486 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 2: And I asked him. 487 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:31,439 Speaker 4: Before the Thunder game, I said, if this was a 488 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 4: playoff game, will Harris and Murray play? 489 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:37,679 Speaker 2: And he was like, no, They'd still be out And 490 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 2: I was like, oh, okay, Like. 491 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,119 Speaker 3: That was an indication. Yeah. 492 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 4: So, like I think, my the what I've picked up 493 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:47,119 Speaker 4: on is I think Barton is in a better spot 494 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 4: than Harris, and I think Murray is in a better 495 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 4: spot than Barton. So I think the order will see 496 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:53,880 Speaker 4: him back is Murray and then Barton Harris. I don't 497 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:55,399 Speaker 4: know about And part of this is going to get 498 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 4: complicated with the MPG stuff, because I don't know if 499 00:20:58,040 --> 00:20:59,640 Speaker 4: they just wind up being like we got to start, 500 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 4: we have to find. 501 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 2: A way to start and let them go. 502 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, So yeah, it's I mean, I still don't think 503 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 4: it's a good idea to there. There's been I've gotten 504 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 4: questions from Nuggets fans about should I bet this team 505 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 4: to win the I'm like the Western Conference. I'm like, well, 506 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 4: you still can't stop the Lakers from Yeah, you can't 507 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:19,920 Speaker 4: slow down the Lakers from lobbing all over you. You're 508 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 4: as a Lakers fan, I did want to get your 509 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:24,880 Speaker 4: impression of you know, we've seen the weirdness. We talked 510 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 4: a little bit about it in general. Let's pretend let's 511 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:30,360 Speaker 4: assume that they're shooting will address to a normal percentage 512 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 4: at some point. What to you is like, they're like, 513 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 4: what's the model for them to win the title? 514 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 3: Do you think? Oh, good question. We could go a 515 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 3: lot of directions with it. And yeah, to some degree 516 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 3: they will. You know, Danny Green's gonna knock down threes. 517 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 3: Uh ku'sm sort of has, which has helped them in 518 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 3: some cases. I think the model for them is that 519 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 3: ultimately Anthony Davis just turns into a guy that is 520 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 3: Yiannis esque and no one has an answer for in 521 00:21:57,880 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 3: the West. And I think to some degree we can 522 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 3: and say that Clippers haven't really had someone that can 523 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 3: slow him down anyways, And if Davis can just give 524 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 3: people fits to a degree that everyone's like wow, like 525 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 3: he might be the best player in the NBA. That's 526 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 3: the path I think the Lakers have. I know, people 527 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 3: hate to think, and Lebron was so good in the 528 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 3: first regular season part of the season that he might 529 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 3: be dying and off to some extent. I mean there's 530 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 3: maybe off the court stuff, but he just hasn't played 531 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 3: well so far. We'll see what kind of shape he's 532 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 3: income playoff time. But I think the real swing of 533 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 3: this is Anthony Davis and Lebron just being too much, 534 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,360 Speaker 3: and probably the Davis side of it, because after that, 535 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,679 Speaker 3: the Lakers are just so thin, where a team like 536 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,199 Speaker 3: the Clippers are so much better three through X, you know, 537 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 3: like there's just such a big difference there. So I 538 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,119 Speaker 3: think that's really the ultimate situation for the Lakers is 539 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 3: can Davis do his forty point thing nine and nine 540 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,439 Speaker 3: out more or less? Maybe not even necessarily they need 541 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,199 Speaker 3: Danny Green to hit forty five percent. It might just 542 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,959 Speaker 3: be that Davis is unstoppable. So I think that's ultimately 543 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 3: what the case is for them. I don't necessarily believe 544 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 3: it either, so that's why I'm more a clipper's side 545 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 3: than I am anywhere else. 546 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,640 Speaker 4: A fun example or a fun thing to dive into 547 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 4: when you look at Davis is how often his high 548 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:12,880 Speaker 4: scoring performances are correlated with high free throw games. That's 549 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 4: a pretty obvious thing, right, like, well, if you're gonna 550 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 4: live free throws, you're gonna score a lot of points. 551 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,639 Speaker 4: But I noticed that there's a higher correlation than I 552 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 4: expected between those two, Like there's a higher similarity score 553 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 4: between those two things. If he's not getting calls, he's 554 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:26,880 Speaker 4: in a pretty rough place, and if he's getting calls, 555 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,679 Speaker 4: he's able to just rack up monstrous numbers. 556 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:31,959 Speaker 3: Like that was. He tends to lose his aggressiveness if 557 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 3: he's not getting the whistle, and so he just he 558 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 3: doesn't get shots up as often. And yeah, that's definitely true. 559 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 3: And he shoots so well from their free throw line, 560 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,160 Speaker 3: Like he's even their technical foul shot guy in crunch 561 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 3: time against Anthony Davis. So that goes a long way. 562 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 3: But you're right in the playoffs physicality, We've seen it 563 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 3: with James Harden in the past, Like if they're letting 564 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:50,679 Speaker 3: more go and you're not getting to the line, then 565 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 3: what is that going to say, for Anthony Davis and 566 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 3: the Lakers, good point. 567 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,159 Speaker 2: Are you a big live better? Do you bet a 568 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 2: lot live? 569 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, I have two second half bets we bet 570 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 3: just we've been talking right before we went live at 571 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 3: the over and the Sun's Pacer second half which barely win. 572 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:06,399 Speaker 3: And then I have actually the over as well in 573 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,879 Speaker 3: the Miami Waukee second half. So I'm sweating those on 574 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 3: the phone while we're where we're chatting same here. 575 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 4: I actually have the I have the heat, I have 576 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 4: the over, I have the heat plus nine, and I 577 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:17,680 Speaker 4: have the heat on the money line, which is now a. 578 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 2: Two point game. 579 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:20,400 Speaker 3: You're looking so strong. 580 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 2: I know, still it? 581 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I should. 582 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,640 Speaker 4: I should probably looked at hedging a little bit considering 583 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:26,399 Speaker 4: how much I'm put it on on those one and 584 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,919 Speaker 4: half just because I'm like, oh no, the Bucks are 585 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 4: gonna start to just like they were down. That's the 586 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 4: problem is they were down so much as I was like, 587 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:34,880 Speaker 4: oh no, they're gonna be like, all right, no, we're 588 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 4: not losing by twenty. 589 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 2: That's not We're too good to lose by twenty with 590 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 2: a full roster. 591 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 3: I think they started the quarter twenty to five or something, 592 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 3: and just yeah, then you're now it's been back and forth, 593 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:46,399 Speaker 3: but you're in good shape still. What was the price 594 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:47,440 Speaker 3: of five to Wani? 595 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 4: No only, I only I only got it at I 596 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:51,959 Speaker 4: only got three twenty one. 597 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:52,920 Speaker 2: That was the best number I found. 598 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:54,440 Speaker 3: Oh wow, all right, I was off. 599 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 2: Well, I'm I'm well known, as Justin will tell you, 600 00:24:58,520 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 2: for getting a terrible price. 601 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 4: So even though I have, even though literally my company's 602 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 4: entire thing is getting the best price and the best one, 603 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,199 Speaker 4: and then I'm always like overthinking it and being like 604 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 4: I think it's going to go this way. Nope, Nope, 605 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 4: that's not what happened. So I didn't want to ask 606 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,680 Speaker 4: you then on live betting, like what is the thing 607 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:17,639 Speaker 4: that what are the things that you pay attention to 608 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,199 Speaker 4: when you're looking to live bet so? 609 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 3: Oh man, I tell a lot of people that they'd 610 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:24,879 Speaker 3: have fun looking at I have. So one of my 611 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,399 Speaker 3: Excel sheets I have is I have kind of after 612 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 3: I don't know, say eight to ten games into the 613 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 3: regular season, I'll have every team's rotation kind of just 614 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,920 Speaker 3: boxed off, where you kind of have the tendencies of 615 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 3: what the coaches are going to do rotationally outside of 616 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 3: an injury or follow trouble and certainly going to have 617 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,199 Speaker 3: these boxes and color coded names and numbers that like 618 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,639 Speaker 3: overlap and depending on matchup and depending on bench units 619 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 3: or who's going on the court off the court, I'm 620 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 3: generally looking it's not as simple as this, but this 621 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 3: was a thing like six seven years ago you could 622 00:25:56,280 --> 00:26:00,440 Speaker 3: just blindly print money betting against the Warriors every time 623 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 3: Steph Curry went to the bench and then vetting on 624 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 3: them as soon as he would come back, like yeah, 625 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:06,919 Speaker 3: you know, his net rating was like seventeen or eighteen. 626 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 3: That same year, the Clippers, Chris Paul was very similary 627 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 3: think he was like a plus sixteen or seventeen. You 628 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 3: could just it was that. It was that straightforward, and 629 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,159 Speaker 3: it wasn't even moneyline, Like you could just set up 630 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 3: these huge, massive middles that were hitting pretty regularly. And 631 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,440 Speaker 3: I believe that same season the next best guys were 632 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 3: like Harden and Lebron, who were like plus six plus seven. 633 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 3: So those are just two huge factor guys. Now you 634 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 3: can take that a lot further, a bunch of steps further, 635 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 3: and there are bench guys that have pretty big impacts, 636 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:35,439 Speaker 3: Like the Magic is one like Jonathan Isaac is like 637 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,440 Speaker 3: one of the more underrated no O all D guys, 638 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,399 Speaker 3: and like they had that run of fifteen straight overs 639 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,200 Speaker 3: because Isaac really hasn't been playing in their games. They 640 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 3: got the Jay August seen back now. They finally went 641 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 3: under yesterday against Toronto. But that's just like another guy 642 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 3: where people aren't really looking at Jonathan Isaac when he's 643 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,400 Speaker 3: going on and off the court, but they're you know, 644 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,479 Speaker 3: Karl Anthony Towns is another one of the tables. He's 645 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,159 Speaker 3: all offense, no defense right Trey Young And there's some 646 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:03,639 Speaker 3: opportunities to be depending on matchups where late first quarters 647 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 3: or mid second quarters I'm playing on or off or 648 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,160 Speaker 3: what whoever may be overs unders their sides. So it's 649 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:13,639 Speaker 3: it's a lot of work. I generally, just to be honest, 650 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,120 Speaker 3: I generally either take an entire day while I'm doing 651 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 3: it full spling my wife and kids or doing their 652 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,919 Speaker 3: own thing and she's just taking care of them. Or 653 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 3: I just take the day off and don't bother looking 654 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 3: other than you know, just box sports checking occasionally, just 655 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,479 Speaker 3: because I have to be pretty focused into it and 656 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 3: into maybe four or five games going on at once 657 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,640 Speaker 3: on like a Wednesday or Friday or something. So it's fun, 658 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 3: but it's also a little hectic. I recommend for people 659 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 3: that want to try to light betting maybe just try 660 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,160 Speaker 3: doing it after quarters or at halftime to start, rather 661 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,160 Speaker 3: than trying to get into the rotational stuff. But it's 662 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 3: it's pretty indepthly. I it's something I'm definitely following regularly. 663 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 2: Off the top of your head, this is an impromptu question. 664 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,680 Speaker 2: What's the longest shot you've ever met. 665 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:56,360 Speaker 3: That I've won? 666 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,639 Speaker 2: Or just either that you've won, what's the longest? 667 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 3: Dak Prescott five hundred to one to wait and offensive 668 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,879 Speaker 3: Kie of the Year? Nice? Yeah, that was that was 669 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 3: I got a little credit on Twitter for that one. 670 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,120 Speaker 3: I posted it, and then the next preseason game, Romo 671 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 3: broke his back again and Dak was like four to one, 672 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 3: and uh, yeah, that's the one. That's the big, the 673 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 3: big winner for me. So I am forever indebted to 674 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 3: the Mavericks, excuse me, not the Mavericks, the Cowboys, and 675 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 3: Dak Prescott. 676 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:23,120 Speaker 2: Do game still tell you. 677 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 3: Yes? Definitely. I don't know if that it's just like 678 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 3: personality thing or what poker still like we got to 679 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,120 Speaker 3: play a ton of poke over quarantine, Like I get 680 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 3: tilted when things don't go the way they should. Uh, 681 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 3: so that I'm definitely I'm always texting people or like 682 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 3: venting if something. I'm trying to think of a recent one. 683 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 3: I think I bet the Bucks second half in the 684 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 3: game against Houston and they were up eight with you know, 685 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 3: like two minutes after one forty left and you know, 686 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 3: I was holding like Bucks plus three and they lost 687 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 3: by four because of the foul off the ball on 688 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 3: the end bound they got one one free throw before. Anyways, 689 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 3: there's stuff like that always happens. I'm always bugged by it, 690 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 3: so it definitely gets to me. Still. 691 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 4: It's good to hear that they even somebody's experiences, you 692 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 4: still still gets. 693 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 3: I'm just not a robot. I know guys that don't 694 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 3: even watch and follow the games that are just strictly 695 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 3: betting numbers with the models. They just and that's it 696 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 3: and they don't even know. They just look at the 697 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 3: balances after. And I have like a respect for those people. 698 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 3: But I also just I didn't like basketball too much 699 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 3: not to be following it, and just as a fan anyways, 700 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 3: that's what I played the most growing up, and it's 701 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 3: just part of me now. 702 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 4: Great stuff that's Preston Johnson from ESPN's Daily Wager. You 703 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 4: can follow him on Twitter at sports Cheetah. Also, if 704 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 4: you're a Lakers fan, check him out because you can 705 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 4: be sure that he'll be lamenting their shooting woes. As 706 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 4: after we recorded, they had another dismal performance versus the 707 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 4: Houston Rockets and shooting. 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