1 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:17,600 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece. A so called heart throb 2 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:23,959 Speaker 1: priest is on the lamb authorities and now looking for 3 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: Father Alex Crowe. With him a teen girl from his church. 4 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 1: Where are they beyond the long arm of the laws 5 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: reach we believe overseas? Can the two of them be 6 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:47,919 Speaker 1: forced home? And how did the whole thing unfold? How 7 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:52,239 Speaker 1: does a priest groom a young girl? A priest, I 8 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: might add, who is obsessed with demons and exorcisms? How 9 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 1: can he groom a young girl I have been to 10 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: leave the country with her? 11 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 2: I mean's hee grace. This is Crime Stories. 12 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation 13 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: and series six sem one eleven. Described as a so 14 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: called heart throb? 15 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 2: What does that mean? A heart throb? 16 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: Now, I've heard that phrase in the past, as it 17 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: has referred to movie stars and matinee idols, but I've 18 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: never heard it applied to a priest. I don't think 19 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 1: of a priest as a heart throb. 20 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 2: Now. I'm just a peace loving Methodist. 21 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: But I look at our preachers, our lady preachers, our 22 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 1: male preachers as kind of like a spiritual father or mother, 23 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 1: or sister or brother. I don't really think of them 24 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: as a heart throb. Now that's a whole psychopathy in itself. 25 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 1: But let's just get down to this case and let's 26 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: start with our friends at WPM. 27 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 3: I listen, Crow short stint with a Catholic church has 28 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 3: gone from interesting to possibly criminal. According to the District 29 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 3: Attorney's office, the priest and a recent female graduate of 30 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 3: Mobile's migueltul In High School took a trip together outside 31 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 3: of the country. In a bombshell statement, Archbishop Rody left 32 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 3: no one guessing that he has lost faith in his 33 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 3: young servant father Alex Crowe, abandoned his assignment in the archdiocese. 34 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 3: Says Rody, his behavior is totally I'm becoming of a priest. 35 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: I'm becoming I may have another word for it, but 36 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: I've got to find out more facts. 37 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 2: Joining me an all star panel. 38 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 1: But first I'm going to go to Kyle Hamrick, reporter 39 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: for the lan yap Nees Mobile Alabama. Kyle, thank you 40 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 1: for being with us. Now, listen, I know the girl 41 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 1: has just turned eighteen, but from what I can understand, 42 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: his so called grooming of her started when she was 43 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: much younger. 44 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 2: Just where is he right now? And is the girl 45 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 2: with him. 46 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 4: From what I understand, from what sources have told me, 47 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:58,399 Speaker 4: Crowe and the young woman who recently graduated from high 48 00:02:58,400 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 4: school are. 49 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 2: In Italy, oh Dear Lord in Heaven. 50 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 4: Not exactly sure sure where, but that is where they 51 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:09,799 Speaker 4: are now. And sources have also told me that they 52 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:16,359 Speaker 4: think this relationship might have started before she graduated hot 53 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:16,959 Speaker 4: high school. 54 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 2: And I don't like it. 55 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: I don't like it one bit. As a matter of fact. 56 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 1: Take a listen now to our friends at Fox ten. 57 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 5: Investigators found a love letter the priest wrote the teen 58 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 5: on Valentine's Day this year while she was still a 59 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 5: high school student. 60 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 6: That really changed our perspective on how we're looking at 61 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 6: the case. 62 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 5: Mobile County Sheriff Paul Birch is talking about a love 63 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 5: letter between defroct priest Alex Crowe and a former mcguiltool 64 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 5: and high school student that his investigators have uncovered. 65 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:51,119 Speaker 6: Clearly, there was some kind of relationship other than a 66 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 6: priest and a student. 67 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: Let me understand this a love letter written by the 68 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: priest to a teen girl on Valentine's Day this year 69 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: while she's still a high school student. 70 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 2: All right, let's just get right down to it. 71 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 1: Anna Sonoda joining me, child grooming expert, clinical social worker, 72 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: author of Duck Duck Groom Understanding How a child becomes 73 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: a target, and you can find her at Annasinoda dot com. 74 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 2: Anna Listen. 75 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 1: It's bad enough when an adult grooms a child for 76 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: illicit purposes, But in my mind, it's even worse when 77 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: a pastor, a preacher, a church worker grooms the child. 78 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 1: It's bad enough when a school teacher or a principal 79 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 1: grooms a child for illicit reasons. What is a priest 80 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: doing writing a love letter on Valentine's Day to. 81 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 2: A little girl in high school. I'll tell you what 82 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 2: you know I have, Steve. 83 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 1: Have you ever seen those cartoons when the character gets 84 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:00,840 Speaker 1: mad and esteem comes out of the That's how I 85 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 1: feel right now because I'm thinking about my children, John, 86 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 1: David and Lucy. If I got hold of a letter 87 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: by a pastor, a love letter to them while they're 88 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: in high school, Oh h E double Lno, Nancy. 89 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 7: This is an example of how sexual predators, when their 90 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 7: groom and kids are going to do one of two things. 91 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 7: They're either going to relate or they're going to elevate. 92 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 7: So when I say relate, I mean they're going to 93 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 7: act like a kid. They're going to believe that they're 94 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 7: a peer of that child, or they're going to elevate, 95 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 7: which means they're going to treat that kid like they're 96 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 7: more mature, possibly like an equal adult. And in this case, 97 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 7: the love letter is certainly an example of him trying 98 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:45,280 Speaker 7: to relate as a romantic interest to her. 99 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:48,359 Speaker 1: Just trying to take this all in. You know, I 100 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: want you to take a look at him. He's been 101 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: called a so called heart throb. Heart throb joining us 102 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 1: right now is a special guest, Sheriff Paul Birch the Mobile, 103 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:04,679 Speaker 1: Alabama Sheriff. I want to thank you so much, Sheriff 104 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 1: for being with us. Your neck of the woods is 105 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 1: especially dear to me. My father was from hay Coda, Alabama, 106 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: which is near Enterprise, which is near Aught, which is 107 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:17,720 Speaker 1: near Mobile. That's how I have to explain with everybody, 108 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 1: so thank you, Sheriff Firus for being with us. What 109 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: in the hey is going on? How does a Catholic 110 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:29,239 Speaker 1: priest start sending love letters to a girl in high school? Sheriff, 111 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 1: My children are fifteen, about to turn sixteen. This girl 112 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: is only about one year older than the twins are 113 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:41,479 Speaker 1: right now, can you even imagine, of all people, a 114 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:44,599 Speaker 1: Catholic priest writing love letters to a little girl? 115 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 6: Is you know, somewhat of a bizarre situation. And what 116 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 6: we learned is that, you know, she's not the only girl. 117 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 6: He's growned a couple of young girls. 118 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: Okay, wait a minute, my head is spinning like in 119 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:03,039 Speaker 1: the Exorcist. Again, that's appropriate for right now. So this 120 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 1: is not the love of his life that he has 121 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 1: happened to found. He's grooming other girls at the same time. 122 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 6: Well, this is the latest. There was a young girl 123 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 6: that he was previously acting in appropriately with and he 124 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 6: was ordered to stay away from her, and she's we're 125 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 6: trying to get her to come on board, but it's 126 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 6: not exactly cooperating at the moment. 127 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 2: Let me guess she thinks she's in love. 128 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 6: This particular one does, yes, And we referred to her 129 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 6: as the eighteen year old because all these acts occurred 130 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 6: when she was a juvenile or what we're going back 131 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 6: and looking at, So we're not going to name her 132 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 6: as of yet. 133 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: Now you're talking about the current girl in Italy, we're 134 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: referring to her as the eighteen year old Okay, the 135 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 1: previous girl was she also a minor. 136 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 6: She was Actually the two are best friends and went 137 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 6: to the same school, same grade. 138 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: I'm so mad I could chew and nail in half 139 00:07:56,480 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: right now, Sheriff. Now, Sheriff, let me understand something. The 140 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: so called love letters and the so called inappropriate behavior, 141 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: is it of a sexual nature? 142 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 6: We believe it is. I will say the letter, and 143 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 6: you know, I want to clarify we've only seen one 144 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 6: the letter. Basically, he's expressing his feelings for the eighteen 145 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 6: year old in this letter, and it's worded in a 146 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 6: romantic way. But different people starting to come forward telling 147 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 6: us some things that they didn't necessarily think a lot 148 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 6: of at the time. But now you know, pieces of 149 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 6: the puzzle being put together. Like what we do know 150 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 6: that there was a school trip, probably almost two months 151 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 6: ago now, and allegedly she was seen coming from his 152 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 6: hotel room at one point thirty in the morning and 153 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 6: by others that were on the trip, and we're trying 154 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 6: to nail that down and get specifics from that. Again, 155 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 6: her coming to that room, you can't prove what happened 156 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 6: behind the closed doors, but certainly a young girl who 157 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 6: would have been seventeen at the time, coming out of 158 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 6: male adults because he's thirty years old, you know, coming 159 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 6: out of the hotel room is certainly something to enquire about. 160 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:23,839 Speaker 1: You know what, you just hit me with a bombshell 161 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 1: one thirty am in the morning. And yes, Sheriff again, 162 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. If I were prosecuting this case, I 163 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 1: would have to have more I can't tell a Jory, 164 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 1: what do you think happened in there? Well, no, that's 165 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: not going to cut it. You got to have more evidence. 166 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 1: How are you going to get it? I don't know 167 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 1: that yet. 168 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 2: Time Stories with Nancy Grace. 169 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: Greg Algrin is with me, international attorney at the us 170 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:10,319 Speaker 1: MX Law Group. You know, Greg, the people, the families 171 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: of these girls have to be standing on their heads 172 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 1: right now. And you've got the one girl who has 173 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: turned eighteen in the interim with the priest in Italy. 174 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 1: I mean, proving a case like this is going to 175 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: be very difficult unless you can get one of the 176 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: girls to admit what happened. 177 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 2: That's the only way I. 178 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 8: Agree with that, the victim's participation. It seems to be 179 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 8: impossible to get an attraction on making a successful prosecution, 180 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 8: So that would be key in the participation of the 181 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:48,199 Speaker 8: girls who are part of. 182 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: The scheme unless there's something in those letters or other 183 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 1: letters that can prove something of sexual nature has occurred 184 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: with the girls, and can I just be very very 185 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 1: blunt to John Dilatory, licensed psychologist and mediator who specializes 186 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 1: in forensics psychology. You can find them at resolution fcs 187 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: dot com Doctor Delatory, listen. I've prosecuted so many statutory 188 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 1: rape cases where the victim is a teen girl underage 189 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 1: who by all other analysis would have quote consented, but 190 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:33,319 Speaker 1: under age, the child cannot consent. Just like a child 191 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: cannot buy a car. My children who are sixteen, who 192 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: are fifteen, cannot go buy a car. They can't buy 193 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 1: a house, they can't enter into contracts, they can't buy 194 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 1: liquor or cigarettes. I pray to God in heaven because 195 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 1: they do not have legal capacity to enter into a 196 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 1: contract or have sex. But when you hear a quote 197 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: love letter, as Sheriff Paul Birch has described from a 198 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: thirty year old priest to eighteen girl underage, that's oh, 199 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 1: I'm so in love with you translation, I want to 200 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 1: get in your pants. 201 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 2: That's what that means. 202 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 6: Well, let me flat. 203 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,839 Speaker 1: That is this share virg or delatory speaking. It's is 204 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: shareff Paul bergs, go ahead, Go ahead, Sheriff. 205 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 6: I want to clarify. In Alabama, the legal age of 206 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 6: consent is sixteen. But the law that we're pursuing this 207 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 6: case under, a teacher, employee of a school, volunteer of 208 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 6: a school, counselor cannot have a social relationship with a 209 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 6: student regardless of age. She could have been twenty and 210 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 6: it would still be illegal. 211 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: So they're in a fiduciary position like a counselor a teacher, 212 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:48,079 Speaker 1: a priest, where you owe a certain degree of let 213 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 1: me just say care to the victim, unlike a stranger. 214 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 2: Got it, Got it okay. 215 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 1: But I wouldn't be surprised if some of these letters 216 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:00,040 Speaker 1: pre date all the way back to age sixteen. I 217 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 1: don't know that yet, but something had to lead up 218 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:04,559 Speaker 1: to the letter, Sheriff. 219 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 2: The letter just didn't happen overnight. 220 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:10,319 Speaker 6: We're still waiting on texts, and we're still waiting all 221 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 6: the information from her phone, from his phones. You know, 222 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 6: obviously sub poenas have been sent out. We're just waiting 223 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 6: on that information to come back. 224 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 2: And back to you. Dotter John Dellatory, licensed psychologist. 225 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 1: All the flowery language this priest may have written in 226 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 1: these letters, it all means the same thing. He is 227 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 1: involved in some type of an inappropriate, if not sexual 228 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 1: nature with eighteen girl. 229 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 9: Bam, Yeah, it absolutely means that. 230 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 10: But here's the other aspect to it is that not 231 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:42,679 Speaker 10: only is there flowery aspects related to whatever content might 232 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 10: be in these love letters, but he's also weaponizing this 233 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:48,599 Speaker 10: sort of tortured soul that he is interested in demonology 234 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 10: and exorcism, right, all these kinds of things sort of 235 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 10: present himself and portray himself in a way in which 236 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 10: he is sort of this one person against evil that 237 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 10: can now draw from the good in this impurity of 238 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 10: these teen girls and draw from them so that he 239 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 10: can now have their strength. And I imagine that that's 240 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 10: how he's approaching too. 241 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 1: And a sona again child grooming expert and author of 242 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 1: Duck Groom, Anna, what is more attractive to a person, 243 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 1: much less a teen girl than the love object they 244 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 1: can't have, the proverbial apple in the garden of Eden, 245 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 1: the grass greener. On the other side, the thing you 246 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 1: can't have turns out to be the thing you suddenly 247 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: realize you want the most priest. 248 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 7: This case is disgusting, Nancy, and I want to clarify 249 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 7: that this occurs in all denominations. This is a persistent 250 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 7: problem whenever you have adults and miners coexisting and grooming 251 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 7: is a perverse form of courtship and it's fueled sexual 252 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 7: predators are fueled by gas, grooming, access, and space. So 253 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 7: you have already seen examples of him using grooming techniques 254 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 7: by complimenting, giving favors, and building in this childish sense 255 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 7: of connection. But we also have just learned that he 256 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 7: had access and he had available spaces, and if grooming 257 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 7: is going to continue, we must withhold access and limit 258 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 7: any available spaces. 259 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 1: You know what's interesting everybody wanting to hear this. When 260 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 1: my twins first went to Scout camp, I immediately thought, oh, 261 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: dear molestation murder. I have to train as a volunteer 262 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 1: and I have to go camp with him, which I 263 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 1: made my husband do as well for. 264 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 2: A week laying on the ground camping out. 265 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: So as it turned out, they loved it and it 266 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: was a wonderful experience for them. But my point is, 267 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: so I was a volunteer counselor and there was a 268 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 1: little boy from another troop I didn't know him, who 269 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 1: was standing in the middle of a dirt road crying 270 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: his eyes out, crying snotting, I mean wailing like oOoOO. 271 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 1: And I went he could not have been older than, 272 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 1: you know, seventh grade. And he was a frill small 273 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 1: little boy. And I went up to him. I hugged 274 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 1: him and I said, what is wrong, son? What do 275 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 1: you need to get in touch with your parents? What happened? 276 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 1: I mean, in fifteen seconds, another troop leader came up, 277 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: took me by the arm and pulled me back and said, 278 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 1: don't touch him. You can help him, but don't hug him. 279 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 1: And in that moment I felt angry because this child 280 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 1: was crying. All it was was he was homesick, by 281 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 1: the way, he had never been away from home before, and. 282 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 2: He wanted to go home. But they were right, they 283 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 2: were right, and I was wrong. 284 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 1: So as she Anna Stinotta was just describing, we were 285 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 1: out and a whole group of people in the literally 286 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 1: the middle of the road, but giving access alone time 287 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 1: to an adult and a child. I hate that's the 288 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 1: way the world is, but it is that should not 289 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:06,400 Speaker 1: be allowed. I want to talk about this guy's obsession 290 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: with demonology. Then there is the other aspect, and that 291 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:18,400 Speaker 1: is this so called father, the priest's obsession with exorcism 292 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 1: and demonology, and he's in Italy with this girl. This us, 293 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 1: this American girl. Take a listen to our friends at 294 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 1: wpm I. 295 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 3: They're afraid something is going to happen to their daughter. 296 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 3: Hernandez told NBC fifteen News she is with someone who 297 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 3: the sheriff's office considers a predator. While Mobile County Sheriff 298 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 3: Paul Birch hasn't used that exact word to describe Crow, 299 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 3: he came close. 300 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 6: I believe there was some grooming that's going on, and 301 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:51,400 Speaker 6: you've got a much older adult interacting with teenage girls 302 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 6: in an inappropriate way. 303 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 3: Adding to the concern is the acknowledgment by Sheriff Birch 304 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 3: that Crow has shown a fascination with demonology and exorcisms 305 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 3: and told people he was going to Europe with a 306 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 3: young woman to perform exorcisms. 307 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 1: Okay, let that sink in. Why do you have to 308 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: take a teen girl with you to Europe to perform exorcisms? 309 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 1: Let me go straight out to Reverend doctor Bob Larson, 310 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 1: founder of Spiritual Freedom Churches International, and author of book 311 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 1: of Religions, Cults, and New Age Spirituality. You can find 312 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: him at Bob Larson dot org. Creature Thank you so 313 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: much for being with us. What exactly is demonology? 314 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:35,120 Speaker 11: Demonology is the study of satan and evil and demons 315 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:37,919 Speaker 11: of the spirit world. And there are two aspects to it, 316 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:43,159 Speaker 11: one which is the monological aspect from non Christians or 317 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 11: Satanist people who want to make that contact or power. 318 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 11: On the Christian side is the study of being able 319 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 11: to understand it in combat. As for spiritual warfare. Now, 320 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 11: I agree with has been said already, but I think 321 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,400 Speaker 11: there may be a point being missed here. I would 322 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 11: down say that he as an obsession. I watched the 323 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 11: videos as the teaching. This is a priest who had 324 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 11: ended the Vatic and he had studied excism early as 325 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 11: an exorcist myself and writing about this. He knew what 326 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:17,400 Speaker 11: he was talking about. He was excellent in his teaching. 327 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 11: He was Christian, he was Catholic. Everything he said was 328 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:25,399 Speaker 11: absolutely perfect. Now if you add to that a demented mine, 329 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 11: and I suppose that now he is taking this knowledge 330 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:31,880 Speaker 11: which he has, which there is nothing wrong with it 331 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:35,640 Speaker 11: but he's somehow using it to manipulate her. He now 332 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:39,439 Speaker 11: has another tool over her in that now he is 333 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 11: a spiritual mentor trying to deliver her from able. Now 334 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:45,200 Speaker 11: that is really twistic. 335 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:50,400 Speaker 1: What exactly takes place during an exorcism? 336 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 11: Well there are according to Catholic Tridachin, there's the major, 337 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:57,159 Speaker 11: the minor, and then the deliverous exorcism. And if he 338 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 11: could not do a major exorcism because he and have 339 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 11: a bishop condotiing it. 340 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:05,439 Speaker 1: Obviously Okay, well White White, I can't understand what you're saying. 341 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 1: What did you say he cannot perform an exorcism because 342 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 1: of what? 343 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:14,119 Speaker 11: So in Calicism are basically true levels of exorcisms. The 344 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:18,119 Speaker 11: highest level is a major exorcism, which is what we 345 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 11: usually cannote with with what you see in the movies, 346 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:26,399 Speaker 11: and that requires approval by the bishop whoever is presiding 347 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 11: over his jurisdiction. So he can't just go do that 348 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 11: on his own. Now, a minor exorcism, of which baptism 349 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,679 Speaker 11: is included in the Catholic Church, he can do that 350 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 11: on his own. But he can also do what's called 351 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 11: a deliverance, which basically any professing Christian, according to Catholicism 352 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 11: can do it, just doesn't have the ritualism of the 353 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 11: major exorcism. My point is he could say this girl 354 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 11: has demi, or she's seduced him because she has demus, 355 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:02,879 Speaker 11: because he's an expert in I think there's another spin 356 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:06,439 Speaker 11: to this that Noah has touched on. That is the 357 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 11: fact that this priest was an expert in the area 358 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 11: as taught by the Catholic Church. And I think there's 359 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 11: the possibility that he's using his extensive knowledge, which there's 360 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 11: nothing wrong with. He's been to the Vaticant, he has 361 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 11: learned it. He knows what he's talking about. But if 362 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 11: he then uses as an additional ploy this young woman 363 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:35,199 Speaker 11: saying that she has demons and that he somehow is 364 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:38,400 Speaker 11: called by God to rid her of her demons, then 365 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 11: she could. 366 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 12: Be highly manipulity. But he could combine his own carnal 367 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:49,439 Speaker 12: interests with spiritualism, and this would be a very dangerous 368 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:51,479 Speaker 12: mind trip to put this young woman on. 369 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 1: I just want to point out that you said he's 370 00:21:54,280 --> 00:22:00,199 Speaker 1: not really authorized to perform higher levels of exorcism, y I. 371 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: He's not authorized to send letters romantic letters to a 372 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 1: little girl and then take her with him to Italy 373 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: to perform exorcisms. So I'm pretty sure he's gone rogue 374 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 1: and he's doing whatever they hate he feels like doing. 375 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:20,880 Speaker 2: Sheriff Paul Brush agree disagree. 376 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:24,879 Speaker 6: He's actually been, you know, I guess banned from or 377 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,440 Speaker 6: fired from the Catholic church here mobile and I'm sure 378 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 6: the arch diocese are involved in that as well. 379 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 1: I just wonder or is the Italian government helping at all? 380 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 1: And I'm going to go to IRV Brandt, Senior Inspector 381 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 1: US Marshal Service with that. But first, speaking of this 382 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:44,440 Speaker 1: whole exorcism and demonic obsession, I want you to take 383 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,679 Speaker 1: a listen to our cuts three and one. First of all, 384 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 1: here Alex Crowe himself and our friends at Crime Online. Hello. 385 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 13: My name is Alice Crewe. I'm Christian of Saint Ignatius Pearish. 386 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 13: I am going to be a junior at Saint Joseph 387 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 13: Abby's from their college. When I first came back to 388 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,440 Speaker 13: church about three years ago, the first book I ever 389 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 13: read was The Way of Perfection. So I found that 390 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:11,199 Speaker 13: Carla's rutuality has put a large part in our seminary formation. 391 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,439 Speaker 14: Growing up in what he calls a weird home with 392 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,119 Speaker 14: a lot of weird stuff happening in the home. Alex 393 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,399 Speaker 14: Crowe says he would hear things moving around or banging 394 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 14: in different rooms, and claims that over a period of 395 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 14: three to four years, he suffered from chest pains, migraine 396 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 14: like headaches, but a battery of medical tests, psychological tests, 397 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 14: and talking with specialists revealed nothing out of the ordinary. 398 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 14: According to ale dot Com, Crowe claimed in a podcast 399 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 14: that when he stepped into a church he felt as 400 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 14: if he would pass out. Crow said a priest performed 401 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 14: what he described as a minor exorcism or a deliverance 402 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 14: prayer on him. Alex Crowe said he felt immediately better 403 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 14: and that started a long process with quote me needing 404 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 14: deliverance from a priest unquote. 405 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 1: So this is a guy that has had an exorcism 406 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: done on him self, a mild exorcism. I'm not sure 407 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 1: what the various stages of exorcism are. We don't have 408 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 1: exorcism in the Methodist church, and I am by no 409 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: means poo pooing it. I don't know the difference between 410 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: a mild exorcism and a more severe exorcism. We heard 411 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:27,159 Speaker 1: doctor Reverend Bob Larson described the most serious types of exorcisms, 412 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 1: the type you see on movies and on TV. 413 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:32,880 Speaker 2: But that all aside. 414 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 1: I'm a trial lawyer, not a priest, and certainly not 415 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:40,919 Speaker 1: an expert in Catholicism. But I know this, Sheriff Paul Birch, 416 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 1: somebody sending love letters to my teen girl. There's going 417 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 1: to be hell to pay much less when he takes 418 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 1: off to Italy with her. 419 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:49,959 Speaker 6: I agree, you know. And one thing you brought up 420 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 6: that we haven't really discussed his Crow's dads as a 421 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 6: local attorney, so that that, you know, obviously throws a 422 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 6: little bit of a hindrance. 423 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,200 Speaker 2: Wait, who is a local attorney? 424 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 6: Alice Crow's dad is a local attorney. 425 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 1: What does he have to say about his son taking 426 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: a girl off to Italy to perform exorcisms, like they 427 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,479 Speaker 1: don't have priests to perform exorcisms in Italy. 428 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:18,919 Speaker 6: Well, he hasn't said anything. And you know, again, you know, 429 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 6: I'm sure he's in an odd position too, as his son. 430 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,879 Speaker 1: I guess he is here if you can say that again. 431 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,120 Speaker 1: IRV Brandt help me out here, guys, IRV Brant. I'm 432 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 1: going to IRV because I need an expert in extradition 433 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 1: and Foreign Affairs IRV Brandt, Senior Inspector, US Marshall Service 434 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:44,120 Speaker 1: International Investigations, Chief Inspector, DOJ, Office of International Affairs. He's 435 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 1: an author of Solo Shot, Curse of the Blue Stone 436 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 1: and Flying Solo Top of the World, both on Amazon. 437 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 2: IRV number one. 438 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 1: There's nothing to extra, dine, I put the cart before 439 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 1: the horse right there, because he hasn't been charged with 440 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 1: the crime yet. But what can you tell me about 441 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 1: this situation? I understand the two have been found in 442 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 1: Italy and quote they're in an airbnb with separate bedrooms. 443 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:18,679 Speaker 1: Are you serious? Like separate bedrooms means anything? But that said, 444 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:20,479 Speaker 1: what's your take on this? 445 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:27,160 Speaker 9: Or Brant, Well, it's tricky, Nancy. The Europeans view sex 446 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:32,200 Speaker 9: crimes inappropriate behavior with minors quite differently. 447 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 2: Oh, you mean like Rayman Polanski. 448 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 9: That's where I was going with this. Yes, And as 449 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:43,160 Speaker 9: Sheriff Birch was talking about in his investigation, that this 450 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 9: may lead, you know, to inappropriate behavior with someone in 451 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 9: a position of authority, and that it's possible that warrant 452 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 9: may be issued. It's highly unlikely that it could be 453 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:02,399 Speaker 9: extradited from any Europe, in the country and particularly Italy, 454 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 9: where the age of consent is fourteen. 455 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:09,200 Speaker 1: Okay, well, white, white, white, wait v yes, I thought 456 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,399 Speaker 1: I knew you thought I knew what you were going 457 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,399 Speaker 1: to say. I do know me, but I did not 458 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 1: know the age of consent in Italy is fourteen. 459 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 2: Are you sure what, Sidney Jackie? Google that? 460 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:21,400 Speaker 6: Yes? 461 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: Hee right, yes, Well, apparently Google agrees with you. The 462 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 1: age of consent is fourteen. 463 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:33,400 Speaker 9: Now unless it's involved with the like as Sheriff Birch 464 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:37,160 Speaker 9: was saying where he said, there's you know, no age 465 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:41,120 Speaker 9: restriction that someone with a position of authority in Italy, 466 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 9: if it's with a person of you know, in position 467 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 9: of authority, a teacher, a priest, a police officer, whatever, 468 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 9: it would be sixteen. The age of consent is sixteen. 469 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 9: So there lies the dilemma, what do you charge him with? 470 00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: Italy is not going to help us, even if we 471 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,879 Speaker 1: did have a formal charge. If they want extradite Roman 472 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 1: Polanski who drugged a girl and had sex with her, 473 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,920 Speaker 1: a little girl in hot tub, they're not going to 474 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: extradite a priest of all places, I mean Vatican Central 475 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:19,639 Speaker 1: there there it is, Okay, Sheriff Paul Birch, just I can't. 476 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 1: I don't even how to formulate the first question here? 477 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,399 Speaker 1: How far back do the grooming letters go? If the 478 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,679 Speaker 1: girl just turned eighteen? How far back do the letters 479 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 1: of grooming go? 480 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 6: The letter that we've seen goes back to Valentine's this 481 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 6: year around Valentine's Day, But we do know that, you 482 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 6: know they've known each other for at least two years. 483 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 6: You know, one question I have, you know with the 484 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 6: previous guest, is you know they're only owned there on 485 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 6: a passport, so which they can only be there for 486 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 6: ninety days. 487 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 2: So I'm wondering it's smart sheriff. 488 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 9: Sure, I know what you're I know what you're getting at. 489 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 9: But with you Americans or visa exempt, but you are 490 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 9: correct they could only stay for ninety days. 491 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 1: Okay, you too need to slow down. I'm a criminal 492 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 1: trial lawyer. What are you saying, EU European Union? You're 493 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 1: saying that the European Union exempts US. 494 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 2: Citizens from passport violations? 495 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 9: No, they're visa exempt, but the sheriff is right that 496 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 9: they can only stay in the country for ninety days. 497 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 1: Hey, guys, we just saw this happen with Caitlin Armstrong. 498 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 1: Remember she's accused of murdering the professional biker mot Marine 499 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 1: and over some love spat over some guy, like there's 500 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 1: not another guy in the world. You have to kill 501 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 1: somebody over him. And she goes to Costa Rica and 502 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 1: she did not remember IRV Brandon, you're the one that 503 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 1: pointed this out correctly. She was not brought back to 504 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 1: the US on an official indictment. She was brought back 505 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 1: on some type of a passport or visa charge. 506 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 2: Isn't that right? 507 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 11: Right? 508 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 9: She was supported and she volunteered, and she waived her 509 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 9: rights to a deportation hearing. But what the sheriff is 510 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 9: talking about is the ninety days. But that person doesn't 511 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 9: have to return to the US to start the ninety 512 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 9: days over. If you're in Italy and you can only 513 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 9: be in Italy ninety days, you could go to Germany 514 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 9: for one day, then return to Italy and stay for 515 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 9: another ninety days. 516 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 2: Thanks for giving them ideas or brand. 517 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 1: So prime stories with Nancy Grace greg Algrin international lawyer, 518 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 1: What if anything can this team girl's parents do? 519 00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 8: I think that she's really more of the civil liabilit case, 520 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 8: perhaps to play out in the US courts. 521 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:03,720 Speaker 11: I would agree. 522 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 8: As far as ex tradition, I would see it is 523 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 8: a difficult case. I mean, there's a dual criminality requirement 524 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 8: that is standard globally for extradition, So any type of 525 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,240 Speaker 8: hopefully getting them extra back to the United States, I 526 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 8: think it's very difficult. Is the sort of backdoor of 527 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 8: a potential immigration viihilation the person deported back to the 528 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 8: United States. But again, given the standards of proof and 529 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 8: in criminal cases, I sue would be very maybe distatful conduct. 530 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 8: But I see it as a difficult case to pustu. 531 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 1: I think you're right about that. Guys, this guy, this 532 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 1: priest obsessed with demons, demonology and exorcism, claims he needs 533 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 1: to take a teen American girl with him to Italy 534 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 1: to perform exorcisms. Take a listen to our friends at 535 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 1: crime online dot com and Fox ten. 536 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 14: After graduating from Mcgiltoollan Catholic school in Mobile, Alabama, Alex 537 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 14: Crowe attended spring Hill College for a year before dropping 538 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 14: out to form a band playing a mix of blues, 539 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 14: rock and pop covers. Alex Crow and the Ultra Boys 540 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 14: played several venues in the Mobile, Alabama area and even 541 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 14: did a homecoming dance at mcgiltulan. According to ale dot com. 542 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 14: After working the local scene with limited success, Crow says 543 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 14: he was called into the priesthood, so he attended Saint 544 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 14: Joseph Catholic College before getting his Bachelor of Sacred Theology 545 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 14: from Sansomo and Rome. He earned his Master of Divinity 546 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 14: degree from Saint Minard Seminary in School of Theology in Indiana. 547 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 14: But for much of his adult life, Alex Crow spent 548 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 14: his time studying demonology and exorcism, becoming an expert on 549 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 14: the topic and sharing his knowledge on video podcast and 550 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:49,479 Speaker 14: is an invited lecturer to students. 551 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,240 Speaker 1: Let me just drink that in for a moment. For 552 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 1: much of his adult life he spends time studying demonology 553 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 1: and exorcism, and now he has a teen girl with 554 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 1: him in Italy against the will of her parents. But 555 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 1: that's not all. Take listen now, friends at Fox ten. 556 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,240 Speaker 15: The Mobile County Sheriff's Office confirming today that the priest 557 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 15: and woman he left the country with have been located 558 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,960 Speaker 15: in Italy. The archdiocese says Alex Crowe abandoned his assignment 559 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 15: at the Corpus Christi Catholic Church, calling his behavior quote 560 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 15: totally unbecoming of a priest. Meanwhile, Mobile County Sheriff Paul 561 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 15: Birch says, there is no doubt that this story is 562 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 15: a bizarre case, but at this time there's nothing criminal 563 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 15: going on. 564 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 1: With me especial gest Sheriff Paul Birch from Mobile, Alabama Sheriff. 565 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 1: I understand the two are in Italy with no plans 566 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 1: to return home, despite the teen girl's parents flying to 567 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 1: Italy begging her to come home. I also understand that 568 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 1: this priest, a so called heart throb Alex Crowe, says 569 00:33:56,320 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 1: he went to Italy to perform an exorcism on this 570 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 1: team girl. He had to go to Italy to perform 571 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,560 Speaker 1: an exorcism, Cheff Well, I. 572 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 6: Think that may have been this stated. He talked about 573 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:15,800 Speaker 6: performing exorcisms, but not necessarily own her, but he wanted 574 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,319 Speaker 6: her to travel with him. And I actually spoke to 575 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:23,920 Speaker 6: her several times a week before last, pleaded with her 576 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 6: to come home and tried to you know, so let's 577 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,360 Speaker 6: if he loves you so much, come back and do 578 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:33,759 Speaker 6: it right and just she wouldn't hear anything of it. 579 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 6: You know, her parents were basically asked to leave he 580 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 6: because he would never let her talk to them alone, 581 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 6: and I was actually sending investigators to try to talk 582 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,319 Speaker 6: to her, and the next day was told if our 583 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 6: guys were to land in Italy to interview anybody, they'd 584 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,880 Speaker 6: be arrested by the Italian officials. So we had to 585 00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:56,560 Speaker 6: back off of that. 586 00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,480 Speaker 1: Okay, right, let me understand what you just said. Italian 587 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:03,440 Speaker 1: officials say if you touch down to interview her or 588 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,160 Speaker 1: the priest, they'll arrest you. 589 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 6: They were going to arrest my detectives and prosecute if 590 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:12,080 Speaker 6: we would have succeeded in going over there. So we 591 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 6: contacted our local FBI office who has helped facilitate with 592 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:21,800 Speaker 6: the Italian Italian officials, and we hope to have interviews 593 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:25,720 Speaker 6: with her sometime in the next few days alone away 594 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 6: from him, but it has to be done by Italian officials. 595 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:34,440 Speaker 1: Who believe the age of consent is fourteen. Okay, So guys, 596 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen to hour cut 597 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 1: nineteen our friends at Fox ten mobile. 598 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:45,040 Speaker 6: My understanding through my investigators that when the family met 599 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:50,400 Speaker 6: up with them, they were in separate bedrooms in an 600 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:55,040 Speaker 6: airbnb type situation, and the agen year old is adamant 601 00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,880 Speaker 6: that there's no intimate relationship. Actually just kind of a 602 00:35:58,960 --> 00:35:59,840 Speaker 6: bizarre story. 603 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,360 Speaker 15: Sheriff Birch says, Crow left a letter with the archdiocese 604 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 15: saying he would never return to America. 605 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:07,840 Speaker 1: Is he going to keep this girl with him the 606 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:12,840 Speaker 1: whole time? Kyle Hamrick with Me, investigative reporter for Lanyap 607 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:17,960 Speaker 1: News in Mobile. Kyle, is that true that when visitors 608 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,839 Speaker 1: from the US got there, they are in an airbnb 609 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:26,040 Speaker 1: with separate bedrooms, And that's what they want everyone to believe. 610 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:30,600 Speaker 4: That's what law enforcement sources told me was a family 611 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:35,279 Speaker 4: member went to Italy to see them and check on them, 612 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 4: and they found them in an airbnb kind of home 613 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:43,280 Speaker 4: with two separate bedrooms. And that was the first story 614 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 4: for a few days, was that there was nothing funny 615 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:52,879 Speaker 4: going on, no romantic connection. And now they are there. 616 00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:57,200 Speaker 4: The young woman is saying that she's in love and 617 00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,200 Speaker 4: does not want to leave it. 618 00:36:59,440 --> 00:36:59,680 Speaker 2: Okay. 619 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:03,000 Speaker 1: See and a Sonoda with me, child grooming expert and 620 00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,680 Speaker 1: author of Duck Duck Groom Understanding how a child becomes 621 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:11,040 Speaker 1: a target. That's what's so dangerous right here is that 622 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:16,440 Speaker 1: the grooming began. I mean, this guy's been taking confessions 623 00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:21,920 Speaker 1: at her location since twenty twenty one, when she was sixteen. 624 00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:29,040 Speaker 1: The grooming, I believe began before she was eighteen. Now 625 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:32,560 Speaker 1: she is entrenched in the idea that she is in 626 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:37,799 Speaker 1: love with a heart throb priest obsessed with demonology, and 627 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,800 Speaker 1: she's completely under his control in another country, a country 628 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,640 Speaker 1: that will not help the US Nancy. 629 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 7: The other thing that's come out in several of your 630 00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:52,719 Speaker 7: panel members is that this guy is a serial predator. 631 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,600 Speaker 7: When we're looking at child sex abuse predators, seventy percent 632 00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,640 Speaker 7: of them have one to nine victims and two have 633 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:04,560 Speaker 7: ten to forty victims. So you've already seen an example 634 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:08,560 Speaker 7: that this guy was on someone's radar inmobile and the 635 00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,640 Speaker 7: risk factors that are inherent in people who work in 636 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:15,279 Speaker 7: church systems are that they are actually part of a 637 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:20,319 Speaker 7: higher power. They're often called from from God himself in 638 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,520 Speaker 7: order to do their job, and there's built in obedience 639 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:27,840 Speaker 7: and deference, and we ask people within religious environments to 640 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:32,160 Speaker 7: be vulnerable, and in those same ways, this predator was 641 00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:39,000 Speaker 7: perfectly positioned with young obedient girls to implement a trap 642 00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:42,840 Speaker 7: in order to gain access and then isolate her. The 643 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:44,600 Speaker 7: fact that we're talking about how many bedrooms are in 644 00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:49,799 Speaker 7: Airbnb makes me want to explode. Why does he need 645 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,120 Speaker 7: to isolate her? It's only because he has her in 646 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,719 Speaker 7: a relationship that is predatory and she is powerless. 647 00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:57,440 Speaker 2: Shareuff. 648 00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:01,520 Speaker 1: Didn't I hear you say that he would not allow 649 00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,960 Speaker 1: her to speak to anyone without him being there. 650 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:09,239 Speaker 6: Correct, even with her parents, he was right there the 651 00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:13,040 Speaker 6: entire time, because I was on the phone with them 652 00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,799 Speaker 6: and her do through different parts of the day a 653 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:20,000 Speaker 6: week or so ago, and just you know, you could 654 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,239 Speaker 6: hear him interject. And one advantage he has too is 655 00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,560 Speaker 6: I don't know how fluent he is, but you know 656 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:30,520 Speaker 6: he speaks Italian to some degree. And when official did 657 00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,520 Speaker 6: show it up, you know, he would speak to them 658 00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:34,680 Speaker 6: in Italians and no one else knew what was going 659 00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:38,600 Speaker 6: on or what was being said. But most of the family, 660 00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,600 Speaker 6: or the mother and father were asked to leave after 661 00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:42,800 Speaker 6: being there for a few days. 662 00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:48,960 Speaker 1: Sheriff, here's the harsh truth. She's eighteen now, So unless 663 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:57,080 Speaker 1: you can prove grooming or not just inappropriate activity, criminal wrongdoing, 664 00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:01,560 Speaker 1: there's no hope of getting him back. And even if 665 00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:05,960 Speaker 1: you can prove it, they're in Italy. Who doesn't give 666 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,120 Speaker 1: a flying fig about the US law. 667 00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,080 Speaker 6: I real hope is to get her back. You know, 668 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:12,680 Speaker 6: I don't care if he wants to live as a 669 00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:14,879 Speaker 6: fugitive for rest of his life. I think we'll get 670 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,520 Speaker 6: to where we can get some fellow new warrants on him, 671 00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,439 Speaker 6: hopefully this week. You know, if he wants to live 672 00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,000 Speaker 6: as a futive rest of his life, that's his business. 673 00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,520 Speaker 6: We want to get her back is the ultimate goal. 674 00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:26,919 Speaker 2: Sure. 675 00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:32,560 Speaker 1: Have you ever seen a case where you believe there's 676 00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,000 Speaker 1: no way you can get justice? 677 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,360 Speaker 6: Not in this degree. I you know, when I was 678 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:42,279 Speaker 6: told that by you know, through is through email Italian officials, 679 00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,160 Speaker 6: you know, I'm like, well, there goes the brotherhood of 680 00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:45,840 Speaker 6: law enforcement. 681 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,040 Speaker 1: Well, and you know you should become familiar with us 682 00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,360 Speaker 1: saying that we have in our home. It's a highly 683 00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:56,319 Speaker 1: technical legal phrase, screw you and the horse you rode 684 00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,680 Speaker 1: in on. I believe it's how I would put it 685 00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:03,040 Speaker 1: to the Italian authorities on this one. But until she 686 00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,600 Speaker 1: wants to come home, I don't think you've got a case. 687 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:10,720 Speaker 1: Unless you can prove through this other friend, the friend girl, 688 00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:15,720 Speaker 1: or the letters or some other witness that some type 689 00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:20,200 Speaker 1: of wrongdoing, criminal wrongdoing occurred, You're screwed, Sheriff. 690 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,799 Speaker 6: I will say the Italian officials were helpful in one way. 691 00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:27,040 Speaker 6: When the parents were there. There was an iPad that 692 00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:32,080 Speaker 6: both her, the girl and crow really wanted to keep, 693 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:37,080 Speaker 6: but the parents were able to convince them that they 694 00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:40,399 Speaker 6: paid for it, it belonged to them. So the authorities did 695 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:45,000 Speaker 6: give the parents the laptop or the iPad, and it's 696 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:48,560 Speaker 6: actually at our local leftial office trying to gain access 697 00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,080 Speaker 6: to it. They really did not want that to leave 698 00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:54,120 Speaker 6: their hands. So I'm hoping there's something in there that 699 00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,200 Speaker 6: will strengthen the case and get us over the hill 700 00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,840 Speaker 6: on being able to press sign charges on it. 701 00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:06,239 Speaker 1: I am hoping that between texts, emails, love letters, and 702 00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,879 Speaker 1: that iPad that the parents miraculously got their mits on, 703 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,120 Speaker 1: you may be able to prove the case and get 704 00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:12,759 Speaker 1: this girl home. 705 00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:14,920 Speaker 2: I feel that she's been brainwashed. 706 00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:20,440 Speaker 1: Final word to Reverend doctor Bob Larson, founder Spiritual Freedom Church, 707 00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,839 Speaker 1: is an author a book of religions culled a New 708 00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:25,120 Speaker 1: Age Spirituality. 709 00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:27,360 Speaker 2: What do you make of it, Reverend. 710 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:30,120 Speaker 12: Well, I think there is an addition to everything legally 711 00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:34,280 Speaker 12: that's been spoken about and some of the excellent conclusions psychologically, 712 00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:38,040 Speaker 12: a spiritual dimension to this as well. What this guy 713 00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:44,400 Speaker 12: has done is taken his interest in demonology exorcism, and 714 00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:50,480 Speaker 12: he's added to that his own conflicted state spiritually in 715 00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:54,640 Speaker 12: which he believes he had demons. And it's in a 716 00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:59,560 Speaker 12: twisted kind of way that he's mixing sex predatory behavior 717 00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:04,080 Speaker 12: as spirituality. And I think that's part of the control 718 00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:07,520 Speaker 12: he's got over the mind of this young woman. If 719 00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,839 Speaker 12: he is a spiritual mentor as well as a lover, 720 00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,480 Speaker 12: and if he believes that he's in a superior position 721 00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:19,440 Speaker 12: to do something about evil inside her. That is a 722 00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,960 Speaker 12: very very twisted way of looking at things, but it's 723 00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,480 Speaker 12: a powerful means of keeping her within his grasp. 724 00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:32,319 Speaker 1: My question is, can we prove a crime if you 725 00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:36,480 Speaker 1: have information or think you have information about this so 726 00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:42,600 Speaker 1: called heart throb father Alex Crowe, aged thirty, Please call 727 00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:47,640 Speaker 1: two five one, five, seven, four eight six three three. 728 00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:48,640 Speaker 2: Goodbye friend.