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Speaker 1: All Ball and as you know if you've been an

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Speaker 1: All Ball listener for the four and a half years

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Speaker 1: we've done this. Most times we talk hoops, but we've

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Speaker 1: had some really interesting discussions. Justin point Day, who was

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Speaker 1: a former head coach at Memphis and Virginia Tech and football,

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Speaker 1: he joined us. We've had other tjs Menzadas joined us

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Speaker 1: talking about his life and journey this discussion. He is

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Speaker 1: no different. Jack Easter be kind of a mythical character

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Speaker 1: known most for his time with the Texas. But how

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Speaker 1: did a guy go from being a professional excuse me,

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Speaker 1: a college basketball player in Golford, a small school in

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Speaker 1: school And this part of his journey, he goes from

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Speaker 1: the early days of joining the NFL and being part

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Speaker 1: to getting in with the Kansay Chiefs, and from the

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Speaker 1: Chiefs he made his way to the Patrons and was

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Speaker 1: part of their multiple late Super Bowl runs. And Tom's

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Speaker 1: how that happened. Thank listen, here's part two with Jack Easterby. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so you're at South Carolina. They're building facilities, they're having

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Speaker 1: success in baseball, having success in basketball with the nit

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Speaker 1: T Championship, having success in football with Steve Spurrier. By

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Speaker 1: the way, I gotta ask, Spurrier is just such a

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Speaker 1: unique dude, right, because there's so many different lives to Spurrier. Right,

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Speaker 1: there was the the you know, he was the Eisman

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Speaker 1: and then the NFL didn't work, and then he was

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Speaker 1: back in college and we had this thing when he

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Speaker 1: was in South Carolina that we called it the Spurriers. Okay,

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Speaker 1: do you know what the Tyson zone is? No, the

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Speaker 1: Tyson zone is. I think Bill Simmons came up with this.

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Speaker 1: It's the idea that that Mike the stories about Mike

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Speaker 1: The Spurrier zone, and he was in the Spurrier zone.

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Speaker 1: He was at South Carolina. Is you get to a

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Speaker 1: like one time he said, like, well he'd love to

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Speaker 1: but no one would ever say that, Well, Spurrier can

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Speaker 1: there's there was there no need to be politically correct

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Speaker 1: Like he could literally say anything he wanted because he

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Speaker 1: Make him retire? Fine and go play golf. You're like

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Speaker 1: nobody deal, so you what? But but again you've been

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Speaker 1: how did he because I think people forget like South

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Speaker 1: be so successful. Well, you know, I mentioned those local

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Speaker 1: up right, And I think Spurrier kind of called South

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Speaker 1: All all of these different elements Burrirvet? Does that make sense?

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Speaker 1: that's actually your fault. You know, I go, you got

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Speaker 1: What do we do? And we would work backward. But

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Speaker 1: So like Don Staley at the University of South Carolina.

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Speaker 1: So some of this had to feel very personal to you,

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00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:03,440
Speaker 1: right because he's these like one of your players, Take

429
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 1: me through what what's going on with you personally? In

430
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 1: you're talking about serving? So is that you're grabbing You're

431
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 1: walking over to groups of players and talking scripture with them?

432
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 1: Is it simply listening? Like what are you doing in

433
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,199
Speaker 1: terms of serving at this time? And how are you

434
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 1: emotionally dealing with your own kind of feelings at the moment. Well,

435
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,880
Speaker 1: the first thing is I can't wouldn't go any further

436
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:31,439
Speaker 1: without just stopping and giving some sincere praise to the

437
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 1: leadership of the Chiefs at the time. Romeo Cornell, who

438
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 1: was our interim head coach at the time, you know,

439
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 1: did a phenomenal job of walking through the team just

440
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 1: loving on people. And Romeo as a loving person anyway,

441
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 1: so he handled that just so well. Scott Pioli did

442
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 1: a great job administering during those tough weeks, that tough,

443
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 1: really tough day and then the subsequent weeks of getting

444
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 1: the resources that everybody need in the Hunt family showed

445
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 1: such empathy to help with um all of the things

446
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 1: that Belcher family needed. Uh. And or in that case,

447
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:12,399
Speaker 1: we had another victim because it was a murder suicide,

448
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 1: so helping those families as well. So yeah, I think

449
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 1: it's two things, Doug. I think it was collectively, you know,

450
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 1: how does the team function? And so there were a

451
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 1: lot of meetings where we met, you know, Scott and

452
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 1: I met, and then Romeo and I met. It how

453
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:27,879
Speaker 1: we're going to tell the team, you know, how are

454
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 1: we going to communicate? What words are we going to

455
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 1: use to say empathetic, but also to keep UM, you know,

456
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 1: the program in a decent place to continue to go

457
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 1: through what was required because we had a game in

458
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 1: less than you know, twenty four hours from that afternoon,

459
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 1: right we had to play, and so there was kind

460
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 1: of that team element of how do we function? And

461
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,440
Speaker 1: then there was just, like you said, that individual empathy

462
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 1: of So it was first just you know, how do

463
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 1: we get counselors from different people that we had relationships

464
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,879
Speaker 1: with service providers erin Kin's City to come to the

465
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 1: hotel where we were going to be that night, UM

466
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 1: and set up places for players to talk and to

467
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 1: share and to process UM and emotionally UM just kind

468
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 1: of walk through whatever they needed to walk through UM.

469
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,920
Speaker 1: And then it was also you know, just really organic

470
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 1: conversation with anybody and everybody around the building and then

471
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 1: giving people their space because each person processes it differently.

472
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 1: How has that moment affected you moving forward? You know

473
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 1: that that moment really radically shaped M the way that

474
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 1: I view the construction of team and the construction of

475
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 1: UM organization UM. Because I would say it was obviously

476
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: an extreme moment UM nothing like that really has ever

477
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 1: happened in the NFL, or happened to my knowledge, within

478
00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,719
Speaker 1: professional sports where something like that on side, you know

479
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: obviously happens. So the amount of services that are needed

480
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 1: for a team to be prepared for anything, the amount

481
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 1: of staff that we're just all stars during that moment,

482
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 1: but are also now needed to be able to be

483
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 1: prepared for that type of event. But then also the

484
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 1: type of people that you have when you go to

485
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,719
Speaker 1: hire people, the type of players when you're involved in

486
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 1: picking them and or giving people leadership positions within the organizations.

487
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 1: You just really realize it all matters when you get

488
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:38,160
Speaker 1: to an extreme moment like that. There is no kind

489
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 1: of compartmentalized functions, right. Everything matters. Relationships with everybody matter,

490
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 1: the emotional support systems of the entire building matter. Everything matters,

491
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 1: and so it really radically shaped the you know, I

492
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 1: think as a leader or as an administrator, sometimes you

493
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 1: can put more attention on certain things than others, and

494
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,479
Speaker 1: there's a temptation, whether it's the budget or the salary

495
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: cap or even relationships with coaches or whoever, you can sometimes,

496
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: you know, put some things as more important than others

497
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: on the list, and certainly we have to you know,

498
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 1: be organized with how we use our time. But really

499
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 1: everything matters, right Speaking to people uh in the hallway matters,

500
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 1: you know, communicating with um, you know people and telling

501
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: them you love them matters, um and then being thankful

502
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 1: for those who you know, give so much for the

503
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: games that we play. Every vendor you interact with matter,

504
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 1: It just it all matters. And so I would say

505
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 1: it was very influential to me and the rest of

506
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: my career. Since then, I've really just had that impressed

507
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 1: on my heart. Everything matters, obviously, the relationships that you've

508
00:28:55,120 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: built in Kansas City because Romeo Patriots, Poli Patriots guy,

509
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 1: and these are all kind of interwoven connectors that took

510
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 1: you is how did it? How did you transition from

511
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 1: the Kansas City here on what was next? Yeah, So

512
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: it's funny you mentioned those two guys. I would say

513
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: the other great relationship that happened there was Brian Dable

514
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 1: was actually our offensive coordinator, which wow, yeah. Yeah, Brian

515
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 1: was a phenomenal coach and and early on I could

516
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: tell watching him in front of the room and just

517
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: watching him lead that group he was going to be

518
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: a successful coach. And so m Brian and I had

519
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: a great relationship, and so I actually met coach Belichick

520
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: through Brian Dable originally. You know, Brian was kind enough

521
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: to connect me with with Bill and uh kind of

522
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: as we began to kind of talk that offseason. But

523
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 1: I actually stayed on when they hired Andy Reid uh

524
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: there in Kansas City, and stayed on for a little

525
00:29:56,080 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: while met with Andy. Doug Peterson was coming from Philadelphia

526
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 1: with Andy and David Culley, and there was several other guys,

527
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: I want to say, trying to remember who else was

528
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: in that grad shoulders, there was a couple other people

529
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: that were on his staff when he came to amazing

530
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: group of Yeah, so let me ask you about about

531
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: about coach read okay, because and I've begun to talk

532
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 1: about this in a radio show, and I don't know

533
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 1: how much people are going to talk about it leading

534
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 1: up to the super Bowl. So obviously talk about his

535
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: time in Philly and and you know the departure at

536
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: the end. But there's the personal aspect of it, which

537
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 1: people have a tendency to stay away from, right. I mean,

538
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 1: he basically lost two sons and here's a be loved

539
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: big right like people who played for Andy Reid. Love

540
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 1: Andy Reid. Just you have a hard time finding guys

541
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: that didn't enjoy their experience, that's right. And on the

542
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 1: other hand, you have his personal life where he has

543
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: two sons and one died from addiction, another one obviously

544
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: had you know, had a vehicular homicide. Right, so um,

545
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: when he when he came to Kansas City, it was

546
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: a little bit of rebuild mode right for him personally.

547
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: I'm just wondering about that aspect of it. And how

548
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: much considering you guys didn't know each other, well, how

549
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 1: much he let you in. Yeah, I mean we just

550
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 1: when he came to Kansas City. To your point, he

551
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: was reallocating everything, right, is moving, where do we live?

552
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 1: All that type of stuff. And I remember the assessment

553
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 1: that he made of our our situation when I first

554
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 1: sat down with him, was one of the best meetings

555
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: I've ever had. Okay, what's the meeting. You'll love this.

556
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: You'll love this. So um. Obviously he's coming in. You know,

557
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 1: all head coaches in the NFL, they know the entire league, right,

558
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: They know the personnel, they know the schemes, they know

559
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: all the different parts of the league because they're watching

560
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: teams to prepare to play them, but they're also watching

561
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 1: them for potential free agents and staff and all that stuff.

562
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 1: So being a head coach in the NFL is so

563
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 1: amazing because the job description is just you know, miles long.

564
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: But he gets there. And it was funny because we

565
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 1: had had Matt Castle and Brady Quinn were the quarterbacks,

566
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: and but we had you know, Matt gets gets hurt,

567
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 1: Brady goes in there, and then obviously we have this

568
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 1: traumatic event with Javon and but we had some very

569
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: interesting other players on the team, so Tom Bali right,

570
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 1: and Jamal Charles and at the time, Dustin Colquitt was

571
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: a Pro bowler or punter. Ryan suck Up I mentioned

572
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: was a really good, you know kicker. Derek Johnson was

573
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 1: a great little linebacker. And so we had five pro

574
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: Pro bowlers on a team that wasn't very good, right,

575
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: and turned the ball over to Historic Raid offensively, and

576
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 1: there were some things that just obviously weren't well done

577
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: and we were I think two and fourteen, so it

578
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 1: wasn't a very good season. So Andy comes in and

579
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: we're picking first overall, right, So he comes into a

580
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 1: situation and picking first overall, and he was so relentlessly

581
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 1: positive about the situation that what it did was it

582
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: allowed his assessment of everything to be positive and for

583
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: them to turn it around quickly. So again when I

584
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: sat down to meet with him, instead of saying, you know, listen,

585
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: we didn't you know, or the offense isn't very good,

586
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: or the defense isn't very good, or maybe you know, hey,

587
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 1: we've got to get a quarterback or any else those

588
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: types of things, which typically in any sort of rebuild,

589
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: you're assessing all the different deficiencies and you're saying, this

590
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: is not good, this is not good, this is not good.

591
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: He didn't do that. He had such a glass half

592
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: full approach of Wow, Jamal Charleston's space, Wow, that's really good.

593
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 1: And he was so positive and he was saying, you know,

594
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: with for me on the characters side. When I first

595
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: met him, he was like, I've heard you've done some

596
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 1: cool things and you know, being able to help the

597
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: organization through some tough times. And so every single interaction

598
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,879
Speaker 1: began to build momentum. And so then and I ended

599
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: up leaving that offseason to go to New England. But

600
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 1: that's why, you know, his acquisition of Alex Smith his acquisition,

601
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 1: you know, picking I think it was Eric Fisher first overall.

602
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 1: You know, he just stacked on positive vibes to the

603
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 1: entire franchise and was able to turn it really quickly

604
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 1: and ironically, and we played the Chiefs uh the next

605
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 1: I think it was maybe a year or so later

606
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 1: in the divisional round um there in New England. So

607
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: when they had Alex and had had kind of rebuilt

608
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 1: and turned it around. So I would just say, his

609
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,240
Speaker 1: glass half full approach and the way he handled himself

610
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: with each interaction, it began to build from the second

611
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 1: that he put his feet on the ground in Kansas City.

612
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 1: He was building because he was so positive, so genuine

613
00:34:56,120 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 1: and so trustworthy in each assessment. How did it actually

614
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: happen that you said? You know, at that outseason, I

615
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 1: left and I went to New England? But how does

616
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 1: how does that actually took to take place? So I

617
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,800
Speaker 1: was actually at the uh see where was? I was

618
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: in North Carolina speaking at a coach's convention there, um

619
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 1: and I'll never forget Um. I was in a hotel

620
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: and went out for a walk and came back at

621
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 1: a voice message on my phone and m and voice message.

622
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: It's a five to eight number, and it's uh, you know,

623
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,839
Speaker 1: hey Jack, this is Bill Belichick just wanted to reach

624
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: out to you and touch base and course naturally and

625
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: you're this way, you know, Doug, I'm sure is you

626
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: know you think it's one of your buddies making you know,

627
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: pulling a trick on it. You know, it's like, all right,

628
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: that's not Bill Belichick calling my phone, Like this guy's

629
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: the greatest coach every Like he's not leaving a message

630
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: and then leaving a message introducing himself like you know

631
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: what I mean, It's like, come on, this is a

632
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,760
Speaker 1: this is a really Bill. So part of me was

633
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 1: was like, you know, do I need to get this

634
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 1: number checked and see if this is a spam? But

635
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: m yeah, So I called it back and I'll never

636
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: forget Our first phone call was an hour and twenty minutes.

637
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: I mean it was from the first second we jumped

638
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 1: on the phone, we hit the stride having conversations about

639
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 1: people and leadership initiatives and you know, how to grow

640
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: culture and how many different things were challenging about the

641
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: NFL and creating trust in the locker room and you know,

642
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 1: different things he was up against and different things I

643
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,919
Speaker 1: had experienced in Kansas City in South Carolina. And then

644
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: you know, we obviously hit it off on different people

645
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: that he had had in his program that I knew

646
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: just from different you know, stops and so yeah, so

647
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: he reached out and had the forethought to create a

648
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 1: role within their program there in New England where essentially

649
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 1: my jibe would be to connect the human element, to

650
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 1: create healthy relationships in the building and to kind of

651
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: on the backside of some of the things they had

652
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: been through, create that each you side of the building,

653
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: to create a healthy um place for people to go

654
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: and or um conversations to have in the building as

655
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: they continue to build within their program. And so we

656
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: connected right off the bat and really enjoyed the Bill.

657
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: You know what people see, how you mentioned Andy Reid

658
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 1: and some of the things that have happened. You know,

659
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 1: Andy Reid's one of the most phenomenal people I've met

660
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 1: my entire life. I'd say the same about Bill. I mean,

661
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: you know what people see and how the media interactions

662
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 1: obviously or in my opinion, you know, just don't tell

663
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: the full story of how how much so so so,

664
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: what's so so? Just personality wise, right, right, because you

665
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 1: do see some of these NFL films clips where there's

666
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 1: obviously a lot more personality there. And then when he's

667
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: at the daist, you know, it's runic in the city

668
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: and it's a very matter of factor whatever. What what's

669
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: he like on that phone call? What's what's what's his

670
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: what's his style like? Is? Is? Is there no effect

671
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 1: to his voice? Is he asking you questions? What is

672
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,399
Speaker 1: he really like? So I'll tell you and you love

673
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: this because you love coaching trees and the understanding of

674
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: different how people grow up and stuff in these industries.

675
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,479
Speaker 1: Number one is you're you're talking to a guy who

676
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: is borderline rocket scientist. Right, So when you reference a city,

677
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: like for me, okay, right off the bat, you know,

678
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 1: he asked me where I was, okay, and where I was?

679
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: I was at a coaching clinic, Um, speaking at coaches

680
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 1: clinic kind of in the rock Hill area, and so

681
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: right off the bat, he connects, Yeah, he connected Ben Watson, right,

682
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 1: So okay, he asked me about Ben Watson, and um,

683
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 1: you know Ben Watson was kind of the high character

684
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: kind of you know, cornerstone of his program there for

685
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: a while. And obviously Ben was a tremendous leader, is

686
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:55,320
Speaker 1: a tremendous leader. Uh, you know, faith and family focused

687
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 1: guy who just you know, loves people and is a

688
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 1: great leader in the NFL for guy's two decades, you know.

689
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 1: So you know, again within five seconds of the conversation,

690
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 1: he's connected people who he believes probably see the world

691
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: the same way. I didn't have an overlap with Ben obviously.

692
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: Then went to Duke to Georgia. Um and uh is

693
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 1: a little it was a little bit. It was gone

694
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 1: by the time, you know, I was interacting with some

695
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,720
Speaker 1: of the state high schools um and at the University

696
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,760
Speaker 1: of South Carolina. But um, you know that that for example,

697
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: the forethought of even bringing that up to understand we

698
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 1: kind of come from the same world, um or to

699
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: he asked me about, you know, barbecue spots in in

700
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: Kansas City, Right, He's like, you know, what's your favorite

701
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 1: barbecue spot in Kansas City. So we've talked about Ben Watson,

702
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 1: then we've talked about barbecue in Kansas City as kind

703
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: of things that we began the conversation with. And I

704
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 1: remember having those discussions as just you know, those are

705
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 1: just him caring enough to ask questions about things that

706
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 1: we could build common common ground on it as what

707
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 1: what is your what is your what is your answer?

708
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:05,280
Speaker 1: Barbecue spots? And kids said, my favorite one is probably

709
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: Jack Stack, But okay, Jack, it comes across weird, right

710
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 1: because that's my name. So it's like, what's your favorite

711
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 1: one of Jack Stack? Of course? You know, so, of course, right,

712
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: So I wanted to probably give him the diversity that

713
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 1: I had been to more than just one that you know,

714
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 1: that I was welcome with when I walked in the door. Um.

715
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 1: But yeah, no, I remember that conversation vividly because I

716
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 1: remember how much fun it was to go to different

717
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: spots where every every place in Kansas City says that

718
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 1: they had the best barbecue in the country, no question,

719
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 1: no question. Um, So when you arrived at the Patriots,

720
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 1: give me this is two thousand and twelve, right offseason

721
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 1: of two thousand and twelve. What's huring two thousand thirteen season?

722
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: Yeah right, what is what's the state of the Patriots

723
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 1: at that point in time? Well, I mean in two

724
00:40:56,360 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 1: thousand and thirteen, I would say, Um, they had just

725
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 1: an amazing rebrand um of the personnel there to get

726
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:10,800
Speaker 1: ready for and prepare for what they felt was another

727
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 1: run UM, and I think they did an amazing job.

728
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: Gronk was at you know, his height. They had just

729
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: signed any him and Dola Julian Edelman had proven that

730
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 1: he was an adequate replacement for UH and UH. They had,

731
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: you know, obviously, Gerard Mayo was was playing middle linebacker

732
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: and was a captain UM. Matthew Slater, who was one

733
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 1: of the best people in the entire NFL with Special

734
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 1: Team's captain Devin mccordy was kind of on his rise

735
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: as a as a Pro Bowl UH defensive secondary player safety,

736
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 1: but had played some corner earlier in his career. UM.

737
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:56,280
Speaker 1: The coordinators UH, Matt Patricia, Joe Judge and UM actually

738
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 1: might have been Scotty O'Brien when I first got there,

739
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 1: but Joe Judge was a was a Special Team's assistant

740
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: at the time, but it was the coordinator quickly and

741
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: then Josh McDaniels. UM. I mean, it was a well

742
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: oiled machine. There was. There was the program that they

743
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 1: had established. You could just feel even in the offseason

744
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: when I got there, you could feel was the structure

745
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: was just in place and they were re upping for

746
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: another special run. They had lost early. I want to say,

747
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 1: maybe to the Jets and then maybe to the Ravens

748
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: a couple of years previous to that, and I don't

749
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: remember exactly. So they were hungry. You could feel the

750
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 1: group was hungry and ready to continue to grow and um,

751
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: you know, really was ready for another launch, another run,

752
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: and was well built and well structured with so many

753
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 1: amazing uh staff members. I mentioned Brian Dabele who was

754
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 1: an addition from Kansas City staff. He went as a

755
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 1: tight ends coach in twenty thirteen. So they were loaded

756
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 1: with staff and players, um, and you know, kind of

757
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 1: geared up for they were. You could feel it was

758
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 1: kind of like a uh, the whole group. You could

759
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 1: feel like there's there's there's a lot here, right. You

760
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 1: could just feel it. It was bubbling with talent, bubbling

761
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 1: with good energy, bubbling with good good people. Um. And

762
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: you could feel, obviously with Brady at the helm of

763
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: all that, you could feel it was going to be successful.

764
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 1: First time you met Tom Brady, what wasn't gosh, I

765
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,800
Speaker 1: think we were coming out of the locker room and um,

766
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: it was maybe uh, you know, after in the NFL,

767
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 1: obviously there's tons of meetings, so you're meeting offense defense

768
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:38,439
Speaker 1: special teams all the time and meeting individual meetings, and

769
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 1: I just remember him look at me right in my eye.

770
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 1: Tom is so great about eye contact, um when he

771
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 1: meets people, and I remember him, you know, asked me

772
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: my name, and and him introducing himself as Tom, and uh,

773
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 1: probably wasn't the most special introduction in the world, but

774
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 1: I think, um, I had been introduced in front of

775
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 1: the team as is being a part of the team

776
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:05,800
Speaker 1: now when I come. And so he introduced himself walking

777
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 1: out of the locker room, and there's always that moment

778
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 1: after that. Probably for him, he's onto the next thing,

779
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: But for me, it was like, wow, you know that

780
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 1: that that's special because not just because of who he

781
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 1: was as a player, but because of who he was

782
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 1: within that building. Right, he was going to be an

783
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: important relationship for me to get to know and or

784
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: to gain his trust because he controlled so many of

785
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 1: the different initiatives that were going on from a player perspective.

786
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: What what what separated him? You know? Obviously the parts

787
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 1: we see are only a portion of the story, but

788
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 1: like it's it's kind of like you're you're painting the

789
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: picture a little bit of Belichick. Paint the picture of

790
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: Brady in your observations. What allowed him to you know,

791
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,359
Speaker 1: like we know he took care of his body, by

792
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 1: the way, do you know, can you help me out?

793
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 1: How did they come to the decisi where he didn't

794
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: take top dollars? I think that's like the of all

795
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: of the parts to the Brady Belichick marriage that made

796
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 1: it work. The fact that here a guy was the

797
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 1: most decorated. And remember at that point in time, he

798
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: wasn't considered the greatest of all time. He was great,

799
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: but it was before that kind of last push where

800
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 1: he won these these last bunch of titles, right, so

801
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 1: he was still it was still Manning and him and

802
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 1: then Joe Montana right before like now, he got ten

803
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 1: super Bowl seven wins. There's really no debate over his success.

804
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: But what allowed them to be successful for a long

805
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: time was a lot of things, but in no small

806
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 1: part was the fact that he didn't take top dollar.

807
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 1: Any How did that happen? Was that? Was that Belichick?

808
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: Was that Don Yee? Was that them working together? Was

809
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 1: that Brady? How's it happened? Yeah, Well, let me let

810
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 1: me go to something that a lot of people don't

811
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 1: know that I think would be a cool, cool take,

812
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:58,240
Speaker 1: And just as an interesting part of this is because

813
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,320
Speaker 1: the answered is it takes a lot of people getting

814
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 1: on the same page. But one of the things that's

815
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 1: very interesting about Bill is Bill grew up in Annapolis, right,

816
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: and so havn't seen, you know, all of the different

817
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 1: things that go in And I say this kind of

818
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 1: about Popovici and Shoshovski too, right, because Shosski grows up

819
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 1: a little bit at West Point Popovic with the Air

820
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 1: Force Academy. I think there's so many things they learned

821
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 1: within those interactions that they transferred into their program building

822
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:27,280
Speaker 1: that probably if you or I were leading a program,

823
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: we would have to learn an initiative that we would

824
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 1: be able to transfer into let's say a rule or

825
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: potentially part of our program. They just knew it because

826
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: they grew up in it, you know. But for example,

827
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 1: the economy of the Patriots, Bill is an economist. I

828
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:47,879
Speaker 1: mean Bill loves finance, and so when you're talking about

829
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: managing the salary cap or potentially managing the team financially,

830
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: to know that the players that we count on the

831
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 1: most make the most. The players that are most productive

832
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: will get rewarded the players who are have high character,

833
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: and our team leaders should be the ones that make

834
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: the most um uh and are rewarded financially with continuity

835
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 1: and or get to stay kind of thing. He leads

836
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 1: that charge because both his time at the Navy, when

837
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 1: obviously the economy is limited and understanding how all that works,

838
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 1: probably from a standpoint of budget restrictions, and probably I

839
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 1: would guess his dad and others represent representing you know,

840
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: different limited government funding strategies and how to use budgets

841
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 1: and all those things. And he grew up in that, right,

842
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 1: he knew every dollar matters, right, how how you spend

843
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 1: and how you interact, you know, shows your priorities and

844
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 1: shows obviously where you're headed from a strategy standpoint. Um.

845
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 1: So when he at the Patriots, you know, obviously Robert

846
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 1: is incredibly smart businessman, Bill is incredibly smart. From an

847
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 1: economy standpoint. Dog Ye is one of the best agents

848
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 1: in all of sports and or cross sports standpoint of

849
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 1: business intellect h and also player representation. And then Brady

850
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: um is one of the most astute athletes on every scale.

851
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 1: And so those guys in a room were able to

852
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 1: over the course of time when Tom as a player

853
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 1: would his contract would come up. They were over to

854
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: understand where the team was at, which is obviously a

855
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 1: huge component, and then understand where Tom was at and

856
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: find a way because they had some continuity to pay

857
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 1: him different numbers along the way that made sense. And

858
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: some of the job security allowed them, I think all

859
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,359
Speaker 1: of them obviously having some job security allowed them to

860
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:43,879
Speaker 1: pay him different numbers at different points and reward him accordingly.

861
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 1: You know, both in obviously in things that were going

862
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 1: on within the cap and and within you know, the

863
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 1: different things that were going on within the Patriots, uh

864
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 1: and within other things in a big picture from standpoint

865
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 1: of partnership. So I think, I think, um, the business

866
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 1: dealings of Robert Bill Don and and I think you're

867
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 1: right to point those out. Those guys were incredibly smart

868
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 1: guys who all did what was right for the team. UH.

869
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 1: And Tom was obviously humble enough to take less. And

870
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 1: I think when you know the team's success is going

871
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 1: to give you a chance to stay and give you

872
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 1: a chance to have high continuity. UM. You know, and

873
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 1: Tom is a team first thinker. He thinks about others,

874
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 1: He thinks about others, UM. And so you know, got

875
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 1: to give a lot of credit to those guys and

876
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 1: their academic uh capabilities to pull that off for all

877
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:46,959
Speaker 1: those years. What did they learn from the Aaron Hernandez situation. Yeah,

878
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 1: I think you'd have to ask them specifical lessons, I

879
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 1: would say corporately. You know, I think Bill you know,

880
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 1: did a really good job of drafting players, um, for

881
00:49:56,560 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 1: the most part, who were had both high feelings athletically

882
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 1: and had high ceilings character wise. And because if you

883
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 1: look at the big picture going all the way back

884
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 1: to the beginning, the players that he had as the

885
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 1: cornerstones of his program were always high character players. I

886
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 1: mean tedby Bruski, uh just an amazing human. UM. I

887
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 1: mean even early in his career. Um. You know, the

888
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 1: guys that were in that first team you know from

889
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 1: Kevin fall to are not the first teams, but the

890
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 1: first kind of UM wave wall commercial waves, right, the

891
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:32,319
Speaker 1: first three. Yeah, because they were they were they were

892
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 1: famous for being the team with the most college graduates, right,

893
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 1: that was a big thing for them, right, And yeah,

894
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:43,320
Speaker 1: character did matter, right. So I just I just wonder

895
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 1: if you know, during your time where this is a

896
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,479
Speaker 1: big portion of what you're doing at the time in

897
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:53,399
Speaker 1: helping with the culture of what they're doing. If there

898
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 1: was if your thought was like, well, this is in

899
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 1: relation to lessons they've learned, Like you got to have

900
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 1: somebody manage it and evolving it, and that maybe was

901
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:05,360
Speaker 1: one of the reasons that you were brought in it,

902
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, yeah, no, I would say it's very

903
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:12,319
Speaker 1: interesting because, as you know, sports business has grown tremendously

904
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:14,800
Speaker 1: over the last several decades, and so I think that

905
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 1: the job description of what it takes now to relocate

906
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 1: from a college program, like an Aeron's case, relocating from Florida,

907
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:26,319
Speaker 1: even though he was I think from Connecticut, relocating right

908
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 1: from Florida Gainesville to Foxborough, you know, building a business

909
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:34,280
Speaker 1: career in addition to what he's doing on the football field,

910
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 1: you know, getting an extension all the different things that

911
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,959
Speaker 1: go into that. There's just way more to it. There's

912
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 1: the job description in the building, and then there's the

913
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 1: job description out of the building, right, And I think

914
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 1: what build did a great job of is let's make

915
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 1: sure we provide services for players outside the building as

916
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:56,760
Speaker 1: much as we can to make sure that they feel

917
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: supported as they go and do these other things that

918
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:03,399
Speaker 1: they have to do that come along with them being

919
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 1: successful as a patriot. And so I was used to

920
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 1: that because in college, right at the University of South Carolina,

921
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 1: there is no delineation between the superstar football basketball, you know,

922
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 1: or even baseball player. They you know, there's an all

923
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 1: encompassing life element that goes into them being successful and

924
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 1: then preparing for their transition that there is no real

925
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 1: delineation between in the building and out of the building.

926
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 1: They are always a game cop, right, And so we

927
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 1: had a lot of times to build programs like that

928
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 1: for our successful players at the University of South Carolina.

929
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 1: And so I was used to, you know, trying to

930
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 1: help in any way I could to make sure a

931
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 1: player has the right support system, to make sure they

932
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 1: have the right outlook on life, to make sure they

933
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 1: have people that are willing to tell them hard truths

934
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 1: or potentially be that person. I was used to that,

935
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:53,879
Speaker 1: and so in New England, I was able to learn

936
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:56,359
Speaker 1: from Bill and learn from the other coaches and the

937
00:52:56,440 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 1: leaders Matthew Slater and Nate Solder and you know, Devin

938
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:04,320
Speaker 1: mccordy and other people who were you know, just great leaders.

939
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 1: Was able to get the young players you know, in

940
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 1: those guys lockers, so to speak, to have those conversations

941
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 1: and be able to help them build the sustainable model

942
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:16,839
Speaker 1: for them to be professional. So I think what Bill

943
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 1: probably learned and Robert I would say, they probably just

944
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 1: learned that, hey, we got to continue to you know,

945
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 1: create a great environment which they already had, but even

946
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:29,439
Speaker 1: better environment for all of these things that come with

947
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 1: being a professional athlete and at that time being a

948
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 1: successful franchise at the top of all of the entity

949
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:42,800
Speaker 1: of the sports world. Year two they're in the Super Bowl. Okay,

950
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 1: you're second and year there, yes, So year one, year

951
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 1: one we go to the FC Championship game and that's um.

952
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,919
Speaker 1: I remember Peyton manning that that was an amazing game

953
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 1: because a key to leave got hurt early in that game,

954
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:00,320
Speaker 1: and I remember, I think it was maybe Logan Ryan

955
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 1: or one of our younger players got kind of thrown

956
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 1: in there, and d Marius Thomas had a great game,

957
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 1: and I remember it wasn't a crazy, you know, high

958
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 1: scoring game, but I remember Denver was in control of

959
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 1: that game. And I would say, I remember, right, several

960
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 1: of the players from that game would would have, you know,

961
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 1: go on to the next couple of years have amazing

962
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:28,799
Speaker 1: careers in the regular season. So I would say you're

963
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:31,839
Speaker 1: about to talk about year two in the Arizona Super Bowl,

964
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 1: But that really started, I believe with that loss in Denver,

965
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 1: because when we came back from that loss, Bill and

966
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 1: Josh and Brian Flores, Matt Patricia and Joe Judge did

967
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:46,839
Speaker 1: an amazing job of taking evaluation of everything in our

968
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 1: program and how we were going to relaunch for the

969
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:54,320
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen season. So thirteen was a master class in

970
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:56,759
Speaker 1: you know, putting a lot of things in place that

971
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 1: would later for fourteen fifteen sixteen where we went on

972
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 1: to run uh, you know, six straight AFC championships. Um.

973
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 1: I think that loss in Denver. I remember we we

974
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:11,839
Speaker 1: revisited everything right after that to make sure that we

975
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 1: were prepared for the next several years. What do you

976
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 1: think the biggest change they mean because of that game

977
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 1: was well, I think that you know, Um, well, I

978
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 1: don't know if there was one change, I wouldn't be

979
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:27,439
Speaker 1: able to say there was one change. I know that,

980
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 1: you know, Bill always wanted to win win games, be

981
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:34,919
Speaker 1: able to win games different ways, and so I think

982
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:38,720
Speaker 1: earlier in our conversation here we mentioned the RAM Super Bowl,

983
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 1: where you know, Josh and Brian Flores were just on

984
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 1: full display from their academic cognitively flexibility of being able

985
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 1: to do a bunch of things in one game. I

986
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:51,359
Speaker 1: would say the injuries and the ability to be proactive

987
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 1: on you know, having having keep players out there because

988
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:58,479
Speaker 1: when you know, Gronk's not out there, and I can't

989
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 1: remember if maybe it was you know, our left tackle

990
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:04,399
Speaker 1: or some other players weren't out there in thirteen when

991
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 1: we went to Denver to play in the ANFC Championship game.

992
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 1: I know they had a special attention to return to play,

993
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 1: and Bill, you know, was very vested in our medical system,

994
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 1: with our strength coach and our trainers, And there were

995
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 1: some other things that were revisited in two thirteen offseason

996
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,279
Speaker 1: and into fourteen. So I don't know if there was

997
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:24,359
Speaker 1: one thing, I would just say everything they said they

998
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 1: did that they felt cost them in thirteen was revisited

999
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 1: and from you know what type of personnel groups we used,

1000
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:35,360
Speaker 1: to how much we practiced early in the year, to

1001
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,960
Speaker 1: should we do walkthroughs too, should we have virtual rooms

1002
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 1: where we look at you know, sports science and some

1003
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 1: of the technology that was available there to you know,

1004
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 1: how do we eat better to you know all the things.

1005
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 1: Do we go to the West coast early when we

1006
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:54,279
Speaker 1: play all those things. The twenty thirteen offseason we revisited

1007
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 1: them all and Bill was so amazing to give us

1008
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 1: all projects that we all oversee to report back to

1009
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:05,360
Speaker 1: the coaching staff how we could best help the team

1010
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 1: to prepare for the twenty fourteen seasons. All right, that's

1011
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 1: part two. Part three, we start to get into Houston

1012
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 1: and what led to him going to Houston and what

1013
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 1: led to the downfall of the Houston Texans that the

1014
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:24,440
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson stuff. Of course, Bill O'Brien take it over

1015
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 1: as not just had coached THEGM. There's a ton to

1016
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 1: get to and Jack has been so forth so kind

1017
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 1: as to share so much of his journey with us.

1018
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 1: We're gonna have to stay tuned. That's the next version

1019
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 1: of All Ball