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Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George

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Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center. Jack Armstrong is Joe Ketty arm Strong

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Speaker 1: and Getty and now he Armstrong and Yetty.

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Speaker 2: The restaurant Chaine Applebee's this week began offering a New

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Speaker 2: Orleans themed Big Easy Burger which features pepper jack cheese,

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Speaker 3: Seth Myers on fire today a lot of funny jokes.

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Speaker 1: So the goalie for the US hockey team got the

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Speaker 1: Presidential Medal of Freedom last night, and some people thought

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Speaker 1: that was too much. I didn't have any thoughts about

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Speaker 1: it at all, really, but I just was looking up

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Speaker 1: the list of other people that have gotten this medal.

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Speaker 1: Michael Jordan, krem Abdul Jabbar, Bill Russell, Magic Johnson, Jerry West,

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Speaker 1: That's in basketball, Tiger Woods, Arnold Palmer, Jack Nicholas in golf,

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Speaker 1: Bay Ruth, Willie may Is, Jack Robins, and blah blah

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Speaker 1: blahle bunch of other people in baseball, gymnastics, Simone Biles

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Speaker 1: is the only one. Tennis, Billy Jing and King and

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Speaker 1: Arthur Ash boxing, Muhammad Ali track and Field, Jesse Owens,

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Speaker 1: and Jim Thorpe. So it's not a ton of people,

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Speaker 1: but it's a fair number of people, and they're all

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Speaker 1: roughly in the same category. So yeah, I'm fine with that.

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Speaker 1: The entire nineteen eighty Miracle on Ice team got the

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Speaker 1: Presidential Medal of Freedom, the whole thing.

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Speaker 3: That's nice. I'm a little surprised that the teams didn't

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Speaker 3: get it, but I don't care.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think it's I don't think it's you know, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's not some sort of tragedy. Probably other people that

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Speaker 1: have won the Medal of Freedom, Hillary Clinton, Bono, Michael J. Fox,

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Speaker 1: Denzel Washington for some reason, Jane Goodall with her apes,

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Speaker 1: Bill Nye, give me a break, Ralph oh Lord, Ralph

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Speaker 1: Lauren bony Well's Ralph Lauren get it? Maybe he did some.

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Speaker 3: Bill Nye for pretending to be a scientist and pitching

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Speaker 3: progressive programs.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Charlie Kirk got it. Trump's second term anyway. Lots

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Speaker 1: of people get it for a variety of reasons. Some

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Speaker 1: of them big big, you know, really big names like

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Speaker 1: Rosa Parks, Nelson, Mandela, that sort of thing. But then

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Speaker 3: Oh Nelson Mandela was no Bill Nye or Bono or Bono.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so anyway, that's that. So this is weirdly related.

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Speaker 3: We got this email from loyal listener Peter, who's been

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Speaker 3: listening since twenty thirteen when his brother turned him onto

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Speaker 3: our show, Thank You. Peter is an attorney. He is

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Speaker 3: of Iowa and his He says he's a history buff

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Speaker 3: and he likes to keep things straight in his head.

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Speaker 3: So he started this little project years and years ago.

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Speaker 3: He makes notes of dates to remember when they happen

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Speaker 1: I kind of I don't. I don't. I kind of

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Speaker 1: have that in my head. That's interesting.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and go ahead, pick Ayre nineteen ninety to the present,

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Speaker 3: just for fun nineteen ninety seven. Oh, what a great choice.

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Speaker 3: That is a good choice. February twenty eighth, the North

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Speaker 3: Hollywood shootout. April twenty second, the Lima hostage crisis is

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Speaker 3: ended by a surprise commando attack. I don't really remember that.

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Speaker 3: One May eleventh, Deep Blue becomes the first machine to

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Speaker 1: I was ninety seven.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you got a couple of coups in Africa.

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Speaker 3: Bridge and Canada Publication of Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's

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Speaker 3: Stone On June twenty sixth July one, control of Hong

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Speaker 3: of the ninety five year lease. Got a coup in Cambodia.

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Speaker 3: Let's see death of Diana, Princess of Wales. The Toyota

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Speaker 3: Prius first mass produced hybrid goes on sale October twenty fourth,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't know the Prius been around that long.

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Speaker 3: November seventeenth, the massacre of sixty two tourists in Luxore, Egypt.

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Speaker 1: I don't remember that one at all.

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Speaker 1: We were doing this same dang show back then, weren't we,

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Speaker 1: more or less?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, those are some of the big ones. But what

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Speaker 3: an interesting thing to do.

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Speaker 1: When did we start? Michael ninety six, ninety eight, ninety eight? Okay,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, come to think of it, Yeah, all right, just

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Speaker 3: for fun. August or September fourth. The first thing of

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Speaker 3: significance that happened after the Armstrong Engetty show Tunk to

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Speaker 3: the Air. Google Incorporated is founded by Larry Page and

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's a big one.

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Speaker 3: Only days later, a steroids swollen Mark McGuire sixty second

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Speaker 3: Looked nothing like he looked his entire life battling a

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Speaker 1: So you mentioning that it was the first time a

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Speaker 1: computer had ever beaten a human. That is one of

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Speaker 1: the many watershed moments that have been predicted in the

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Speaker 1: I'm like, boy, what I'll tell you when things will

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Speaker 1: really change? If a computer could ever beat a human

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Speaker 1: at chess, then everything would be different. And then it happens.

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Speaker 1: It's like, well, okay. And then if a computer could

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Speaker 1: So I wonder at that about the singularity as soon

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Speaker 1: And on the topic of AI, so I was saying

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Speaker 1: yesterday that Dario first name, the guy who runs Anthropic.

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Speaker 1: He was featured on sixty Minutes a while back. He's

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Speaker 1: one of the guys that really is concerned about AI

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Speaker 1: it and everything like that, which some people are suspicious of. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: Elon Musk, who's also an AI guy who seems to

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Speaker 1: the planet. Be me, this person who is a writer,

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Speaker 1: Name company Anthropic literally Greek for human centered hire a

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Speaker 1: bunch of doomers who secretly think humanity is the disease

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Speaker 1: open source is going down a very dangerous path. Please

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Speaker 1: regulate our competitors out of existence so we can protect

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Speaker 1: our three hundred and eighty billion dollar monopoly. Claude is

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Speaker 1: sitting in a padded room, wearing a safety helmet, terrified

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Speaker 1: And then finally, the human centered. The human centered is

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Speaker 1: on the Internet. And Elon said, nailed it about Dario

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Speaker 1: and anthropic, which is quite a blast against one of

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Speaker 1: his you know, top five AI names in the entire world.

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Speaker 3: A competitor. There's a little bad blood there, but that's

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Speaker 3: a pretty thorough takedown. Yeah, Hey, here's the headline from

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Speaker 3: the Wall Street General. Then we can get back to

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Speaker 3: that if there's more anthropic dials back AI safety commitments.

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Speaker 3: Company says competitive pressure prompted it to pivot away from

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Speaker 1: That's interesting, it is.

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Speaker 3: I wish I was qualified to understand some of the

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Speaker 3: backstabbing and whispers that are going on in that world.

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Speaker 1: But see, like Elon knows the personality of these people

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Speaker 1: don't know Dario's actual personality. It's not impossible, and I

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Speaker 1: know we've talked about this with Tim Sander for for years.

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Speaker 1: This is very, very common. Big corporates claim to want

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Speaker 1: regulation to try to keep everybody safe, but what they're

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Speaker 1: They also could fully believe that their product is going

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Speaker 3: That's not a crazy thought, No, no, not at all.

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Speaker 3: It's Oppenheimer saying, Hey, before I finished this thing, you

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Speaker 1: To control That's a great example. Robert Oppenheimer was not

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Speaker 1: part I don't know. Inside of Anthropic Hire a bunch

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Speaker 3: Elon or whoever that was writing, you know, name them.

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Speaker 3: They have what they believe is a corossi religious mission.

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Speaker 3: They are they're they're on a ghod to replace awful

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Speaker 3: human beings with more enlightened computers. It's it's cultish in

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Speaker 1: Well, right, I've told this story one hundred times, but

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Speaker 1: I just think it's so fascinating. Larry Page from Google

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Speaker 1: we just mentioned, called Elon a speciesist for valuing humans

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Speaker 3: Like that's a bad thing. That's efing looney t It is.

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Speaker 3: Hey, Larry, how about say, lawn trimmers, those are tools too.

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Speaker 3: Do you value lawn trimmers above human beings? Or how

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Speaker 3: about vacuum cleaners? They're incredibly useful. No, Well, computers are

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Speaker 3: sentient and blah blah blah. Okay, it's a machine there, buddy.

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Speaker 1: And we're all dead or enslaved, and that'd be better

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Speaker 1: for the planet.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, computers didn't invent us. It's the other way around.

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Speaker 3: Explain again, how we're all gonna die out in the

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Speaker 3: world will be better as the computers run around and

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Speaker 3: do freaking what you crazy person?

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Speaker 1: Well, I think you could make the argument. I suppose

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Speaker 1: quite easily that the planet would be better without human beings.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god. And it's notable that those number one,

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Speaker 1: You want to talk about something that will obliterate all

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Speaker 3: Trump always checkings out. In the absence of agreement, the

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Speaker 3: Here's the part I found most interesting about his take.

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Speaker 1: That sounds about right. Yeah. Listening yesterday National Reviews podcast

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Speaker 1: not just a no go. Yeah, so it's I think

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Speaker 1: it makes a lot easier for Trump or whoever he's

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Speaker 1: making this decision with. Yeah, where we get get to

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Speaker 1: dismount the tiger's back? Who knows? But they can't get

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Speaker 1: a nuclear weapons, so we got to try it and

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Speaker 1: see what happens to our.

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Speaker 3: Best, right, Yeah, do we have the national will for that? Sorry, folks,

443
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Speaker 3: it's come to force of arms. I wish it hadn't,

444
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Speaker 3: but it has. Here we go, how.

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Speaker 1: Many people even though this is on the radar, That's

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Speaker 1: what I keep asking.

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Speaker 3: And how obviously ridiculously partisan will the reaction be?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard other people bring this up now, so

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Speaker 1: it's pretty obvious, I guess because I only stumble upon

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Speaker 1: the obvious. We've never gone to war at this level

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Speaker 1: without any discussion about it.

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Speaker 3: I know, I know, it's bizarre.

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Speaker 1: It is bizarre.

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Speaker 3: It's coming home from more can say, honey, I've sold

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Speaker 3: a house you for what?

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you remember before we went to war war

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Speaker 1: with Iraq, the endless debate in Congress and in the media.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, appropriately and then all these politicians that then

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Speaker 1: had to run for office and either explain or deny

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Speaker 1: their vote to go to war in Iraq because it was,

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Speaker 1: you know, hung around their neck. Nobody's gonna that's part

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Speaker 1: of it. Congress doesn't. Nobody in Congress wants to be

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Speaker 1: on a hook for this. They don't want to have

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Speaker 1: to vote on it and have it hung around their

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Speaker 1: neck and it goes bad. That's part of it, which

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Speaker 1: is very cowardly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, for the record, And it was a different time.

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Speaker 3: I remember I rejected the idea of Monica missiles back

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Speaker 3: in the day when Clinton tried to take out the

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Speaker 3: al Qaeda weapons manufacturing thing. I rejected that it's an

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Speaker 3: aspirin factory. This is just covering up for Monica. I

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Speaker 3: rejected that at the time because I looked into it

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Speaker 3: and it looked legit to me. But again, I don't think

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Speaker 3: we have a lot of bridge crossers these days.

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Speaker 1: No. Yeah, And the politics of this could get super interesting,

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Speaker 1: super fast once the war starts, if I mean, because

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Speaker 1: all you need is they get one lucky missile into

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Speaker 1: a ship or whatever, a couple of planes crash into

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Speaker 1: each other, helicopters, you get, you know, pretty good loss

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Speaker 1: of life there, and I don't get everybody's attention.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it could absolutely happen. So coming up next segment,

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Speaker 3: a juxtaposition of a ludicrously horrible decision and some really

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Speaker 3: good decisions and a child's life in the balance, some

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Speaker 3: American heroes who are uh not what you might.

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Speaker 1: Expect, and that's next. That's next. Awesome.

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Speaker 3: So the setting is suburban Phoenix, Arizona, where a couple

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Speaker 3: of guys from a moving company are stopped in a

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Speaker 3: parking lot right outside a quick trip convenience store. One

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Speaker 3: of the guys goes inside and overhears one of the

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Speaker 3: guards in the convenience store. Because you've got to have

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Speaker 3: guards at convenience stores. Let's not get distracted, uh calling

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Speaker 3: somebody because he thinks that a little child involved in

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Speaker 3: an abduction and amber alert might have just come into

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Speaker 3: the store. And the action commences in the cab of

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Speaker 3: the truck.

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Speaker 1: That one. Oh yeah, huh lock them. Shp love them,

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Speaker 1: got tell me a bit, and I know what that

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Speaker 1: girl looks like. She ran my best Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: that's her?

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Speaker 4: Is it really?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's exactly what she looked saying.

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Speaker 3: Wow. They blocked the car in with the moving truck,

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Speaker 3: and the security guard called the authorities and all and

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Speaker 3: they were able to rescue the kid.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. You know, every time I hear an amber alert,

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Speaker 3: I spend at least the next hour looking for the vehicle.

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Speaker 3: So did these guys actually saw it in the little girl?

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Speaker 1: So? Was it a what sort of abduction was it?

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Speaker 1: Was it one of those family member situations.

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Speaker 3: Here's why I mentioned in teasing this last segment, some

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Speaker 3: really good confident decisions by the young men involved, and

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Speaker 3: some absolutely abhorrent decisions by the parents. The toddler's parents

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Speaker 3: said the abducttur one Marina Norriega, age twenty three, was

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Speaker 3: a transient who they had just met and allowed to

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Speaker 3: spend the night in their home when she vanished with

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Speaker 3: their toddler.

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Speaker 1: So they took it a homeless person trying to be

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Speaker 1: all compassionate and whatnot, who then stole their little kid.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I want to know more about why they allowed

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Speaker 3: a transient to stay in their home overnight. Could be

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Speaker 3: pure Christian compassion, misplaced trust, it could be something else.

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Speaker 1: So when they blocked the car in a's a clever move.

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Speaker 1: I can picture doing that and then just just sit

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Speaker 1: there and then waiting to see if the person gets

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Speaker 1: agitated or comes and talks here or whatever. Did did

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Speaker 1: the person come and talk to them say hey, can

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Speaker 1: you move your truck? I gotta I don't actually know that, Katie.

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Speaker 1: Do you know the answer to that fise? The cop

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Speaker 1: go ahead?

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Speaker 4: Well, now from looking at it, you see the woman

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Speaker 4: come out of the store and then the cops are there,

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Speaker 4: because at the end of that clip, what you heard

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Speaker 4: were the cops all pinning the truck in.

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Speaker 1: Good that they got there fast. I would go with, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it just won't start. I just open the hood. I'll

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Speaker 1: have it going here in just a minute. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Well they just they knew they couldn't let the

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Speaker 3: child get away before the cops got there. So well

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Speaker 3: done both camelback moving and uh and the guys at

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Speaker 3: quick Trip, Well done, guys.

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Speaker 1: That's great. Got a couple of I know, I had

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Speaker 1: a couple of kind of breaking ish news stories. Well,

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Speaker 1: how about I do a dumb one instead of a

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Speaker 1: good one.

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Speaker 3: We could do a heartwarming one. Made Katie cry, Oh gosh, oh,

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Speaker 3: are you not strong enough?

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Speaker 1: Right now? I'm strong enough. It's fine. I don't have

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Speaker 1: to watch it again, so I'll be fine.

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Speaker 3: Why don't you Why don't you tell us about it?

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Speaker 3: It's clip twenty six.

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Speaker 1: Michael Punch the Monkey seven.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Katie's gonna tell us about it? Or do we

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Speaker 3: need not need to?

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Speaker 1: I just heard the phrase punch the monkeys. I don't

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Speaker 1: know what the road we're going down here? Wow, r

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Speaker 1: rated folks. Not for the kids. We're gonna bash my hobbies?

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Speaker 1: Is this what we're gonna do?

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Speaker 4: There's this baby monkey in Tokyo that was neglect or

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Speaker 4: rejected by its parents and they could. They tried to

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Speaker 4: get it to go in with the other monkeys, and

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Speaker 4: the other monkeys completely rejected it.

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Speaker 3: In the video monkey, hm hmmm mmm, sorry, misfit monkey.

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Speaker 1: Misfit monkey.

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Speaker 4: But the video was going around this weekend of this

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Speaker 4: little baby monkey going up to the other monkeys and

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Speaker 4: them grabbing it and throwing it and hurting it. And yes,

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Speaker 4: it made me emotional because I don't know why I just.

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Speaker 3: Did well, you're with child, but now he's okay.

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Speaker 1: Now you can play the clip Michael Punch the Monkey.

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Speaker 7: The seven month old monkey abandoned by his mother and

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Speaker 7: shunned by other monkeys at a zoo outside Tokyo. Suekeepers

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Speaker 7: bought the lonely monkey of stuff Rangutang from Ikea. Images

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Speaker 7: of him cuddling and dragging it around with him going viral.

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Speaker 7: New images showing relations with his fellow primemates are now improving.

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Speaker 1: He is making friends.

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Speaker 3: Okay, here's where I make no friends. Perhaps the animal

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Speaker 3: kingdom has rules and instincts and standards we don't understand.

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Speaker 3: For you know, you're not going to be a good monkey.

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Speaker 3: You're not our troop material.

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Speaker 1: Joe taking the brave stance of pro shunning the baby monkey.

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Speaker 1: Don't like that stance? Yeah, that's hey.

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Speaker 3: You slap Darwin's pen out of his hand if you

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Speaker 3: want to. I understand.

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Speaker 1: I like money.

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Speaker 3: Nature is a cruel bee.

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Speaker 1: I like that. They should have done with this with

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Speaker 1: me when I was a moving around from school to school. Sorry,

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Speaker 1: you don't have any friends. Here's the stuff to Rangutang.

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Speaker 4: All the videos of it cuddling with it were so sad.

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Speaker 1: I'm strong again.

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Speaker 3: You're ready, Katie Green, and.

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Speaker 1: I'm strong. Sorry the other kids won't let you play

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Speaker 1: with them. Here's the stuffed animal. H here's your host

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Speaker 1: for final thoughts, Joe getting Let's get.

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Speaker 3: A final thought from everybody on the crew to wrap

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Speaker 3: up the day. There he is Michael Angelo in the

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Speaker 3: control room, pressing the buttons. Michael, what's your final thought?

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Speaker 8: I just remember being on the playground. I was always

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Speaker 8: the last one picked in sports.

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Speaker 3: That always felt bad.

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Speaker 8: And then my mom would say, well, why did they

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Speaker 8: pick you lass, and they should say that's a terrible thing,

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Speaker 8: and I would say, no, Mom, I stink, I really

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Speaker 8: stink that they're doing the right thing.

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Speaker 1: They're making them, they're making the right choice.

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Speaker 3: It's a very Darwinian final segment. Katie Green are esteemed

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Speaker 3: to us woman. As a final thought, Katie, that.

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Speaker 4: Just brought up the memory of when I knocked my

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Speaker 4: own front tooth out playing tether ball on the.

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Speaker 1: Po Boy, did the ball knock your tooth out?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I hit it.

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Speaker 4: It's so hard it went around the poll and came

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Speaker 4: back to smack me right in the face, knock my

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Speaker 4: teeth out.

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Speaker 3: If only there had been viral videos back in the

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Speaker 3: day that would have been a winner. Jackie.

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Speaker 1: Final thought for us this is a pretty weak final thought,

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Speaker 1: but since you brought it up. I loved tetherball as

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Speaker 1: a kid. Oh my god, God, I've played hours and

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Speaker 1: hours and hours of tetherball. Loved it.

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Speaker 3: My final thought is the state of the Union is

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Speaker 3: absolutely screwed up in about a half a dozen different

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Speaker 3: ways at least. But you never know what tomorrow brings.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we've faced challenges before, and we have endured

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Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty years. It's pretty good.

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Speaker 1: I feel like the keytic tetherball is you can stand

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Speaker 1: the pain on your hand more than the opponents. That's

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Speaker 1: how you win with tetherball. Armstrong and Geeddy wrapping up

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Speaker 1: another grueling four hour workday.

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Speaker 3: So many people, thanks so a little time. Go to

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Speaker 3: Armstrong and getdy dot com. What do you think about

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Speaker 3: all of this? Drop us a note mail bag at

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Speaker 3: Armstrong in geeddy dot com. Pickups from a g Swaggy

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Speaker 3: hot dogs are dog's t shirt praps.

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Speaker 1: Nobody ever gave you a stuffed animal to carry around. Michael,

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Speaker 1: I want to help God bless America.

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Speaker 8: The first duty of the American government is to protect.

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Speaker 1: I'm strong and Getty, not illegal Arian. I would better

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Speaker 1: stick forks in my eyes.

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00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 3: Oh what what the hell are you talking about?

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Speaker 1: We can't take it anymore. Are you sure of that?

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Speaker 3: Dude? You have any regrets at all?

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Speaker 6: I do not.

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Speaker 1: You should be ashamed of yourself. Okay, these people are crazy.

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you the song and Getty Armstrong and Getty