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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I don't want some stuff.

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Speaker 2: Never told you, but if I heard you, And today

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Speaker 2: we were bringing back a fun classic.

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Speaker 1: It's the History of the Bob, the haircut.

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Speaker 2: Bob because my friend, my friend Marissa kind of got

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Speaker 2: a haircut and we were talking. We were talking about

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Speaker 2: the history of the Bob and I've had a ball.

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Speaker 1: I got one right after.

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Speaker 2: I think that's why we did this episode after the

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Speaker 2: pandemic where you could like go out again, and I

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Speaker 2: wanted to donate my hair, and it is when you

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Speaker 2: first get it, it's so uncomfortable because it's so short

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Speaker 2: and he feels so self conscious, or at least I did,

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Speaker 2: because I was like, oh.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I think I've done this since I was

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Speaker 3: in high school. So it's just spills like yah, I'm here.

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Speaker 1: Again, back where I've belong, Bob Bob. But it's a

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Speaker 1: really interesting history, so please enjoy.

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Speaker 2: Hey, this is Sandy and Samantha and often to Stefan,

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Speaker 2: never told your production of iHeartRadio. So Samantha, have you

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Speaker 2: ever gotten what you would call a trendy haircut?

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Speaker 1: And follow up question, have you ever gotten a really

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Speaker 1: bad haircut?

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Speaker 3: So, yeah, I would say, I definitely got a trendy haircut.

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Speaker 3: My trendy haircut would have been recent ones where I

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Speaker 3: get it pretty short to the point they have to

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Speaker 3: shave a little bit of the back of my neck

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Speaker 3: and it does the whole like one sided type of

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Speaker 3: little bit of asive metric, not completely type of style.

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Speaker 3: I really love that Hairdoo, so that's gonna be what

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Speaker 3: I go back to. But again, yeah, so I feel

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Speaker 3: like it's quote unquote because I'm trying desperately not to

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Speaker 3: be a forty year old Asian mom look, which can

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Speaker 3: get real simple and easy when you get the Connie chunk.

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Speaker 1: That's what I call it.

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Speaker 3: No disrespect to Connie Chunk, but from like the late eighties,

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Speaker 3: early nineties, Hairdoo beautiful woman, wonderful, married a really bad

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Speaker 3: person whatever. Outside of that, her hair to me signified

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Speaker 3: Asian moms, and I try to stay far away from that. Okay,

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Speaker 3: But the really bad haircut, I would say my historical

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Speaker 3: bad haircut was because I was in the orphanage coming

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Speaker 3: into the US so much nice solution was give a

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Speaker 3: bowl cut. So really made my mother very sad because

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Speaker 3: in the pictures I had very, very very long hair

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Speaker 3: and I came into the US with a bob, not

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Speaker 3: even a bob. It was a literal bolfcut like it

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Speaker 3: definitely because my hair is also really think at the top,

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Speaker 3: so it even bushed.

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Speaker 1: Out a little more, right, Yeah, so.

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Speaker 3: That was even better. And my mother, because Gendro was

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Speaker 3: very important to her, made sure I will wear I

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Speaker 3: was wearing bows and such to signify that I am, yes,

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Speaker 3: a female, even with a bull cut, so I wasn't.

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Speaker 3: That's probably the worst haircut I've ever gotten.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, that's interesting you say that. Well, actually returned

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Speaker 2: to that point in a bit. I I definitely tried

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Speaker 2: to get haircuts that were trendy that I had no

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Speaker 1: He did the feather I tried to get to Rachel

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Speaker 1: did not look anything my kid.

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Speaker 2: I tried to get when Monica Courtney Cox had pretty

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Speaker 2: much a bob, I tried to do that. And my

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Speaker 2: but I think that she wasn't used to dealing with

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Speaker 2: really thick hair like mine. But mine also poofed out

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Speaker 2: and it looked quite funny. I think that's the worst

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Speaker 3: Oh, fifth grade, bad year to have a bad haircut too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's before you know, I had like a

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Speaker 3: And most of the time we were so young we

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Speaker 2: So it did feel like because I didn't want to

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Speaker 1: But I remember being like, don't cry, don't cry my

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Speaker 3: You paid the money, so it's kind of like, oh,

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Speaker 1: Only a couple of months of mockery.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I think that was like I have good friends

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Speaker 1: Gonna go fix it. Are you sure, Are you sure?

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I think it's good. There's a lot you

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Speaker 2: And yeah, I also went through a really big Mary

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Speaker 2: Kate and Ashley face or whatever haircut they had. That's

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Speaker 2: the haircut I wanted. And eventually I'm glad I reached

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Speaker 2: the point. Well, well, people would tell me like, you

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Speaker 3: I believe I had that hairdoo too, and I liked

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Speaker 3: it for the most part, except once again, it aged

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we're talking about one of the trendiest haircuts

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Speaker 1: What are you gonna do about this? And I was

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Speaker 2: Because I've never had it this short before, and they did.

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Speaker 1: And she said, yeah, it's a lot of disasters we've

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Speaker 2: I do keep like feeling at it and or trying

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Speaker 1: But it's so fun to wash. It tries so quickly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I did like having long hair as well, but

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Speaker 3: I feel like, I'm pretty sure you've at least used

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Speaker 3: on two separate occasions the excuse of washing your hair

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Speaker 3: as to not being able to do something previously before

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Speaker 1: Of course, that's a legit excuse. It's like a whole thing.

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Speaker 2: People would laugh at me because I would be like,

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Speaker 2: be like what does that mean, and like, well, it's

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Speaker 1: Doing with wet hair.

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Speaker 2: But yes, for this Monday Minnie, we thought we would

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Speaker 2: do a really quick brief history of the Bob haircut.

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Speaker 2: I think way back in twenty thirteen, the host Kristen

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Speaker 2: Caroline did an episode on short hair women with short hair,

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Speaker 2: because there are a bunch of stereotypes that come along

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Speaker 2: with that historically that are still around, maybe not as strong,

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Speaker 1: And yes, long hair has long.

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Speaker 2: Been associated with fertility, youth, and femininity. In May of

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Speaker 2: nineteen twenty, s Scott Fitzgerald published a short story called

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Speaker 2: Bernice Bobs her Hair in This Saturday Evening Post. It

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Speaker 2: told the tale of Bernice, who is sort of this

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Speaker 2: was just enormous. She's uninvited from events, she's shunned by men,

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Speaker 2: and worried about bringing scandal to her family or her haircut. Right.

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Speaker 3: So, while the bob is primarily associated with the flapper

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Speaker 3: made headlines in nineteen fifteen when trendsetter and dancer Irene

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Speaker 3: Castle cut her hair short so it would be easier

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Speaker 3: However, in the early days, if a woman wanted to

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Speaker 3: because it was seen as controversial and scandalous. Not necessarily

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Speaker 3: they also talk about the whole boyfriend ex boyfriend, you know,

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Speaker 3: women might go to barber's instead. Again, women still do this,

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Speaker 1: That's all I had considered until we were talking about it.

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Speaker 2: Just now how odd it might be to have a

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Speaker 2: haircut named after you, and you just have to hope

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Speaker 3: Look, so did we do we talk about.

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Speaker 2: The why is called the bob Yes, hairdressers realized that

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Speaker 2: It turned out to be a financially wise decision. Newspapers

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Speaker 2: even wrote about it. The Washington Post publish a piece

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Speaker 2: called Economics of Bobbing in nineteen twenty five detailing the

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Speaker 2: monetary impact of this hairstyle, reporting that from nineteen twenty

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Speaker 2: this didn't take into account.

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Speaker 3: Barbershops, right, And I can imagine the upkeep because when

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Speaker 3: you have short hair, you have to go more often.

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Speaker 1: That's true if you want to upkeep. So that's costly.

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Speaker 1: Is costly.

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Speaker 3: It was so popular and so widespread in the twenties.

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Speaker 3: That was pretty much the stand for the Sears Melt

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Speaker 3: ordered catalog. Oh, those Sears catalogs, and several variations developed,

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Speaker 3: the Marcel the finger wave, which I've desperately wanted to try,

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Speaker 3: shingle bob and the eaten crop, and accessies like bobby

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Speaker 3: still concerns, including something called the shingle headache, describing as

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Speaker 3: a type of neurogia caused by the abrupt removal of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I didn't know that about bobby pins. That's

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Speaker 1: Some of these were like the headband.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I highly recommend there's a really great infographic of

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Speaker 2: all the types of these haircuts and what they looked like.

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Speaker 3: One, right, I mean definitely that Bob, that shortcut, the

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Speaker 3: We don't see that as iconic, even though that is

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Speaker 1: We liked it. Never mind.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sorry, all right, it's fashionable now, okay, get

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's a different conversation, perhaps not for this

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Speaker 2: mini That was just a brief history, but there was

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Speaker 2: what we're going into you in this one. In the meantime,

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Speaker 2: if there are any other haircut styles we should look

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