1 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:04,960 Speaker 1: So we're gonna put out our seven round Ravens mock 2 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: drafts next week. Will you take that into the draft 3 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 1: room with you on Thursday Friday. And they're both currently guys, 4 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 1: and I'll tell you I'll tell you everyone right now 5 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: we have Devon higher than Devon. I'll tell every listener 6 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 1: out there, and if any other teams listening out there, 7 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: I don't know, Jack, Welcome into the lounge. We are 8 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: less than a week out from the start of the 9 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: first round and I'm excited. Draft time is seriously one 10 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 1: of my favorite times the year. I think Draft time 11 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:53,599 Speaker 1: is really exciting. This these two weeks that we've gone 12 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 1: through our wild under the radar, one of the most 13 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: busy times on the NFL calendar. We had the start 14 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: of the All she Doesn't Get issuing program, we had 15 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:04,039 Speaker 1: the schedule release go out this week. Now it's all 16 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: looking forward to the draft like and Draft weekend is 17 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 1: one of the busiest weeks, maybe the busiest week of 18 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: the entire year. It's a it's an exciting time. Yeah, 19 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 1: and we have some cool stuff plan just for the 20 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 1: listeners beyond the podcast. Next week, we're gonna do our 21 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: full seven round mock draft but I'm gonna be in 22 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: Nashville for the draft next week. UM, we're gonna have 23 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 1: some footage from inside the draft room once the picks 24 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: are made. Um, we're really going to try to peel 25 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: back the curtain and take people places where they don't 26 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 1: get to go. So we've got some cool stuff planned 27 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 1: over the next week or here are you going to 28 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 1: leave the draft early this year? I have to run 29 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 1: back to interview our first Well, that's that's the question. 30 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: Do we end up trading out of the first round? 31 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:43,559 Speaker 1: And then I go down to one of the hockey 32 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: talks on Nasday. That's that's it, and then all some 33 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: we're back on the clock. I should I should have 34 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: mentioned this to Eric and Joel and make sure if 35 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: you're gonna trade back in you let me know. Give 36 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: it you're gonna trade out of the first round, then 37 00:01:54,800 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: trade back into that disaster scenario you're gonna gonna oh god, Anyway, 38 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:06,559 Speaker 1: We've got a good email here from Ryan Banbury. As always, 39 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: you can reach us at the lounge at Ravens dot 40 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 1: NFL dot net, and Ryan put together is seven round 41 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:17,679 Speaker 1: mock draft. Uh and he says, I strongly believe we'll 42 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 1: trade down the first round and even or even out 43 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 1: into the second round, like we're talking about, to acquire 44 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: more picks. If that happens, look for us to pick 45 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: up guys like J. J R. Sakea Whiteside wide. You 46 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 1: see rout of Stanford. He's got a whole bunch of 47 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: names here. He's actually picking up some guys. He's got 48 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: Mack Wilson, the inside linebacker from Almam who I like 49 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:37,919 Speaker 1: a lot. His compass C. J. Mosley, according to Landster line, 50 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense and old dominion pass rusher. Uh. 51 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 1: I don't even know how to pronounce this guy, Oshan 52 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: Zimnez I think or something like that. Who was another 53 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: guy I was really playing around with went with Jokai 54 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:50,079 Speaker 1: play But any anyway, you can take him in your mock. 55 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 1: I'm giving you freebees here. Uh so Ryan's uh the 56 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 1: other Ryan's seven round mock. He's got Clellen Farrell in 57 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: round one out of Clemson, the Edge. It's weird like 58 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 1: Cleveland Ferrell. If we draft a guy, I just want 59 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: to make sure that you're you know, you don't start 60 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:12,639 Speaker 1: on bad terms. Thank you that he has. Why you 61 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: see Riley Ridley out of Georgia and Ross Pierschen, backer 62 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: out of Alabama, center guard. Fourth round, Kemmeron Smith the 63 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 1: linebackerund us see who I've also gotten mine. I think 64 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: that's a good pick. I've gotten a little later. And 65 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: then Trayvon Williams from Texas A and M. We're not 66 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: gonna go through every single pick here, but those are 67 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: his early pick. Riley really is an interesting name. I 68 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: don't think we're taking Riley Ridley. You don't why is that? 69 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: Just just nothing about him really like stands out Caley's 70 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: younger brother for listeners they may not know. Uh, he 71 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: just like I mean athletically, like he doesn't put up 72 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: eye popping speed or not a super explosive guy like Calvin. Yeah. Um, 73 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: and he didn't have that big of production. So like 74 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: he runs good routes, catches the ball well. But it 75 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: the question, nothing really excites me that, yeah. The question. 76 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: The question though, is if you end up not taking receiver, 77 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: and we don't need to go deep dive back into this, 78 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: but if you end up not taking receiver in the 79 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 1: first round, you don't pick again until the third round. 80 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: The under guys off the board at that point and 81 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 1: probably at that point you're looking at eight receivers that 82 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,480 Speaker 1: are gone. I like, I like, I like Ridley's teammate, 83 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: and Nicole Nicole Hardman Hardman better than I like. Riley 84 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 1: got you all right, He's got a little more speed, 85 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: a little more upside, I think too. All right, high ceiling. 86 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:32,280 Speaker 1: All right, So let's discuss all this with our guests 87 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 1: this week, and that would be our director of college 88 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 1: scouting at Ortiz. All right, we're on the clock with 89 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: jortis twenty four minutes. We have twenty three minutes and 90 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: fifty six seconds left, so let's get this go. I 91 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 1: like me on a clock reference. Oh yeah, right there, 92 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: how about that? Yeah, I always butcher Dave Lang told 93 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: me that I was on for about seven minutes when 94 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: I crashed the pod, So I figured, since I had, 95 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:02,160 Speaker 1: you know, you know, last week, we won't waste any 96 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: more time. So you guys have finished the big meetings 97 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 1: we talked about that last week on the teaser, that 98 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:10,919 Speaker 1: you stop by and you still have another round of 99 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:12,719 Speaker 1: meet before the board setting, like it's kind of a 100 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 1: final finalization meeting. Um go over the board one last 101 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 1: time with the full staff on both sides of the ball. 102 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 1: So well, one day. On Monday, we'll do the offense, 103 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: Tuesday will do the defense, and just kind of go 104 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:26,919 Speaker 1: over it one last time. Um, you know what took 105 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: five days to cover all those players? Really, you know, 106 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 1: five full days and then six it we cover in 107 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: two days, and it's really just you know, okay, final placement. 108 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: This is where they're at, and we have a few 109 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: more reports to be read on some guys that Eric 110 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: and I have asked some coaches to do. And then 111 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: the scouts look at a few more guys. But in 112 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 1: terms of reports being read, very few, maybe twenty total 113 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 1: through the course of the two days. UM, so it's 114 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:58,840 Speaker 1: more just a final discussion. Are those guys who like, 115 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 1: all right, we really think the East could be ravens, 116 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:05,840 Speaker 1: let's do one final look and something Someone's like, hey, 117 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 1: you know maybe a guy that's that's risen through the process, 118 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: we want to just get another look at um, and 119 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 1: then other guys are like, hey, these guys could be 120 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:15,160 Speaker 1: ravens and you know, let's see what do you guys 121 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: think about? So how much time since the last round 122 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: of meetings in these next round of meetings? Uh, do 123 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: coaches spend their time coming to you and lobbying for 124 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 1: certain players at certain positions. UM, very little at all. 125 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 1: It's very little. As a matter of fact, I have 126 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 1: not seen this week. There's not been one offensive coach 127 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: down my hallway in my door, and there has I 128 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: don't I think I've seen one defensive coach the whole time. 129 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 1: And we didn't even come in talking about player like 130 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: you know. So the lobbying or the discussion was made 131 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:02,159 Speaker 1: last round, and uh, they're going to tighten up their rankings. 132 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 1: That's what they're doing this week. They're kind of doing 133 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 1: it as a staff each side of the ball. Uh, 134 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: they tighten up their rankings, their preferred list, and the 135 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: scouts obviously are tightening up their preferred lists. And he's 136 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: just kind of going to this last round and talk 137 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: through it and get the board ready and then wait 138 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: for Thursday to begin. How close to those lists match 139 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: each other? Like if you said, if you put out 140 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 1: your top one hundred, let's say, and then Wink we're 141 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 1: to put out his top one hundred, would his top 142 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: one hundred be loaded with edge rushers, inside linebackers. Well, 143 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:36,679 Speaker 1: winks list is going to be I give Wink basically 144 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 1: the top players at all positions so okay, So he's 145 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: going to have corners and safeties mixed in there, and 146 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: he's gonna have he he wink, respects the process. So 147 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: he if he feels like a corner is the best 148 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: player on our board, he's going to put him number 149 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 1: one because he understands. Let's let's rank the players and 150 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: then we'll let need break the ties. But we try 151 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: to get the players. The most important thing is get 152 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: the players in the right spot on the board, and 153 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 1: then withdraw on the you know, a couple of spots, 154 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: all guys are in the same spot, then then need 155 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: can play a factor in terms of breaking a tie. 156 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 1: So you could literally spend twenty four hours a day 157 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: for the next week diving into this stuff, watching one 158 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: more tape, like looking at one more report. Do you 159 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 1: ever have to just tell yourself, like, all right, I've 160 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: been working on this for a year. It's kind of 161 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: like I kind of equated to a player or a 162 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: coach going into a game on a Sunday, Like you 163 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: could look at one more piece of film at the 164 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: end of the day, you have to just call it quick. Yeah, no, 165 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: I think you do. You can do, You can over analyze, 166 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: could spend your do so much that you're just like, ash, 167 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:41,680 Speaker 1: I don't know who I like better? You know, so 168 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: like I've just watched so much of them, I just 169 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:47,319 Speaker 1: watched them again. But you know, um there you can 170 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 1: definitely buzz spend an hour and a half two hours 171 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: on three guys just watching the p o A. You've 172 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 1: already graded the film, You've already done you know, the 173 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: background north, so you can sit there and say, okay, 174 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: let me get one more low and with these three guys, 175 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:03,679 Speaker 1: which one do I like best? You know? Just you know, 176 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 1: when you're breaking up clumps of a position, you know, um, 177 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:09,680 Speaker 1: so you can always do that. But yeah, if you 178 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 1: just you can't do too much, you know, or not, 179 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:16,680 Speaker 1: you can get to the point where you're not gaining 180 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: any of you know, so you're just spinning your wheels. 181 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 1: So um, and I just think you trust the process. 182 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: The coaches have have strong opinions in there and good opinions, 183 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 1: and they and they talk about how guys fit. Um, 184 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 1: the scouts understand how players fit our offense and defense. 185 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: And uh so you trust the scouts and trust the 186 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 1: coaches based on their emails and then obviously your own 187 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 1: and you know, and Eric and obviously and and we 188 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: all make this. We're we're able to set the board 189 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 1: based on that. You know, you trust the collective group, 190 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 1: and it's worked for a long time. And uh, I 191 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: think everyone there's really a good chemistry between the staff, 192 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: coaching staff and personnel staff in terms of knowing what 193 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: we value as personnel guys, and knowing what the coaches 194 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: need and value for our offense some defense. All right, 195 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: So let's just look specifically this year's draft. When I 196 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 1: look at it, the vibe that I get based on 197 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:08,680 Speaker 1: the you know, maybe it's smoked signals. I don't know 198 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: what to believe from you guys this time of year, 199 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: but the vibe that I get is the smoke screen. 200 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 1: That's like that's like yeah, but but I get the 201 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 1: sense that you guys are going to be very active 202 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 1: in terms of trading and maneuvering. And I also feel 203 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: like that fits Eric in terms of what he likes 204 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: to do in terms of kind of playing the game. 205 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 1: So what do you think about that? Is that going 206 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 1: to be the case. There's no way to predict it, Honestly, 207 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: there really isn't there. I mean, last year, I think 208 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 1: Eric mentioned it in the press conference we had to 209 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: basically tell people know we're done trading, like we I mean, 210 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: it was great last year. It was unbelievable how many 211 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: trade opportunities we have. I mean, obviously we had two 212 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 1: in the first round, but we had and then we 213 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 1: traded again in the third round. And then we're sitting there, 214 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 1: people are calling us, offering us picks, you know, to 215 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: do you want to move back, and we're like, we 216 00:10:57,960 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: don't think we have enough guys on the board if 217 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 1: we have fired more picks, you know, like we're already 218 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: we're already getting thinned out, you know. So um, But 219 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: then there's been years when we sat there and wanted 220 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 1: to trade and the phone never rings. So you really 221 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: won't know until a draft day and you really won't 222 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 1: and you really won't know until that you're you're getting 223 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: close to the clock, you know, two three picks away. 224 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: Someone may call you say, hey, we're interesting moving up 225 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:28,839 Speaker 1: and you're like, okay, what are you offering? And if 226 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 1: it sounds good, yeah, we're interested, And you've got enough 227 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 1: guys left on your list that hey, we got a 228 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:36,079 Speaker 1: handful of guys that we could pick here and move 229 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: back for spots and hopefully someone were still there. But 230 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:41,839 Speaker 1: while they're calling you, they're calling the team ahead of 231 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 1: you and the team ahead of them. So which has 232 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:47,679 Speaker 1: happened many years. Um, We've had a phone call from 233 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: a team that wanted to come up from the bottom 234 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 1: of the first round, and we said, yeah, we'd be interested, 235 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 1: and then they traded two teams ahead of us. You know, 236 00:11:58,400 --> 00:11:59,839 Speaker 1: they were still you know, because they were trying to 237 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: get up as high as they can, you know. So, um, 238 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: the part of it, you know, they may be worried 239 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: that we're we'll move to pick to someone else who 240 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: takes the guy they want. Um, yeah, so you know, 241 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: are you always willing to move Sure, if if there's 242 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: plenty of players there. But in the same token, if 243 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 1: you're sitting if your list is getting thinned out and 244 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 1: you're sitting there getting close to being on the clock 245 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: and you don't have a lot of names left of 246 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: like your guys that really want, it's hard to it's 247 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: hard to move back, you know. Yeah, And I think 248 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 1: it seems like it often depends on positions that are left, 249 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: Like teams like will come up for a quarterback. Obviously 250 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: that's a popular one. So how far do those quarterbacks 251 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: even a tackle like some of those glamour positions. It 252 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:46,239 Speaker 1: depends if if those kind of players are there, like quarterbacks, 253 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: pass rushers exactly. People aren't really going to trade up 254 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 1: for a defensive tackle very often. But that kind of 255 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: works to our advantage in terms of facilitating facilitating a 256 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 1: trade because we don't need a quarterback. We don't really 257 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 1: need to tackle that bad, a starting tackle. We don't 258 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:04,319 Speaker 1: need a starting corner that that bad. So like if 259 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 1: we're on the board and those are the positions of need, 260 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 1: we it's not like whatever and our needs a wide 261 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 1: receiver let's say, or inside linebacker, edge rusher would be 262 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:16,679 Speaker 1: the one, but like we would want to take the potentially, 263 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But if it's a corner 264 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:21,959 Speaker 1: sitting there or a quarterback especially, yeah, you say that, 265 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 1: but I've we've we've all been here. When we've started 266 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 1: August one or July or whatever, our corners look good 267 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: and by the end of training camp like, oh my god, 268 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 1: we have no corners. Yeah, well that's why. That's like, 269 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:37,560 Speaker 1: I mean the same thing with tackles. I mean, yeah, 270 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: we got two really good ones, but you know, if 271 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 1: you get a chance to add a tackle, there's some 272 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 1: good ones, right, like one of Dexter Lawrence or one 273 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: of those guys maybe play guard or yeah, defense, right, 274 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: we have too good we have two good defensive. We 275 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 1: got too good offense. True, but if you get a 276 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 1: chance out and those are premium positions, so everything's you know, 277 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: it's not a premium session, Joe, pull back unless you 278 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 1: so now, but it's yeah, that's a that's a position 279 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 1: that I wouldn't say people are trading but now. But yeah, 280 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: I mean it's so hard to predict. You know, there's 281 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 1: years where you're like, oh, yeah, we'd love to trade. 282 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 1: You know, we have eight picks this year, so um, 283 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: we feel like we can do some damage if you 284 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 1: can get a chance to move back and gain some 285 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 1: quality picks, um and still get a good player. You like, 286 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 1: it's always an option. But you know, like I said, 287 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 1: if that list is thin and out, it makes it 288 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 1: a harder decision to make. So let's talk a wide 289 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 1: receiver because we have to. I'm gonna go in on it. Yeah, 290 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: we've had this discussion of the passcal the podcast between 291 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: the two of us. So it seems maybe this year 292 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: is not unique. You it always feels like every year 293 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 1: is unique when you're in that year, you're like, whoa 294 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 1: this is I've never seen this before, but it definitely happened. 295 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 1: But it seems like at wide receiver, like there's not 296 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: a consensus, you know, like DK Metcalf after the combine 297 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 1: skyrocket up and everybody's like, oh, he's gonna be a 298 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: top fift consensus, you know, and now he's come back down, 299 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: he's trap back down and and now like now it's 300 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 1: it really seems like, and we wrote this, it's like 301 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: pick your flavor, right, Like, everybody's gonna have a different 302 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: guy that they like. Do you get that sense that 303 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: teams are just gonna be like I like this guy? Absolutely? Absolutely, 304 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 1: I mean, and that's the thing. There's different offensive schemes, 305 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 1: so there's receivers that are gonna fit one scheme versus another. UM, 306 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: and their boards try to reflect that. You know, our 307 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 1: board reflects what we want and other boards reflect what 308 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: they like they like, and it's probably two different looks UM. 309 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 1: And then you have some boards are probably just right 310 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 1: there in the middle. UM. But yeah, there is it's 311 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 1: hard to get a consensus. And really for most positions, 312 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 1: obviously why out is the one because there's so many 313 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 1: drafted every year, it's really difficult to get a consensus 314 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 1: unless you have an A. J. Green and Julio Jones 315 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 1: coming out, which most years you don't have. And you 316 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: go back to the year Corey Davis went fifth, I believe, raw, 317 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: Mike Williams I think went seven. Before the draft, people 318 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 1: are like, oh, they'll be there, You'll be the Ravens 319 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 1: will pick the first wine out off the board like that. 320 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 1: That was the thought. Three one before we got at 321 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 1: least like one of them would be there, and them 322 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 1: three one before we pick, so it's like three top ten. 323 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: That was crazy. So like, you just don't know, like 324 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: you know, and I think that this draft is one 325 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 1: of those drafts where you just don't know where guys 326 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 1: will go. You know, if somebody, if somebody does that 327 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 1: DK in their top ten and he goes in the 328 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: top ten, well then that could push everyone else up, 329 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 1: you know, A yeah, so um, So you just don't know. 330 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 1: You really don't. It's so hard to predict. And I 331 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 1: think it goes for a lot of positions in this 332 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: year's draft. So I'm curious, though I know you're not 333 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: obviously gonna tell us who you like the receiver specifically, 334 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 1: but there is so much variation, Like make talk about 335 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 1: in terms of what media people think they're the best receivers. 336 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 1: But on your guys, do you have a clear idea 337 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: of like this is our top two guys, Like is 338 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 1: there kind of like the clear consensus you went through 339 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: this process of like these are the two guys that 340 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:04,440 Speaker 1: we really like that we stack the board. Yeah, I 341 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 1: mean we have our top two receivers. And but in 342 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: saying that we have our top two corners and were 343 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 1: to different it's it's every year is the same while 344 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: it's unique. It's every years the saying you have your 345 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 1: top two receivers, you have your top two tackles, but 346 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:23,159 Speaker 1: you also have guys below them that you really like, 347 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: you know, and hey, if we don't get them, this 348 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: guy would be a good pick in the second round. 349 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 1: This guy would be a good pick in the third round. 350 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 1: This would be a great pick at the start of 351 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 1: the third day. You know, you know, you find the value. 352 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:38,159 Speaker 1: The goal is to find the value in every player. 353 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:40,640 Speaker 1: You know, it's there's something's there's a lot of things 354 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 1: because you know a lot of guys have something they 355 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:46,719 Speaker 1: can't do. And our goal is to find out the 356 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:49,159 Speaker 1: things that he can do for the Baltimore Ravens, what 357 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:51,360 Speaker 1: he can do, how he can help us, and put 358 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 1: him on the spot of the board will revalue that. Yeah, 359 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:58,879 Speaker 1: edge drusher obviously another big important position clone and Farrell 360 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 1: seems like a guy that's getting a lot of buzz 361 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: with the Ravens. Daniel Jeremiah had him in his latest 362 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:08,400 Speaker 1: mock draft. What's your opinion of him? Not saying how 363 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 1: much do you guys love him or not, but it 364 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: seems he seems like and Dan wrote this, he seems 365 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 1: like he fits Ravens because a highly productive guy. We 366 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 1: like that in our pass rushers like Judean right, you know, 367 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: set a record, uh and playing on a really good defense. 368 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:23,880 Speaker 1: What do you guys think of him? He's a complier. 369 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 1: I mean, there's no doubt and he's in there in 370 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 1: the mix with a bunch of other good pass rushers, 371 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 1: you know what. And but um going into Clemson, they 372 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: have a talented defense and that there are a lot 373 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 1: of fun to watch and it's just a great program. 374 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 1: They've done a phenomenal job Dabbo has done and his 375 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 1: staff have done an awesome job down there. And not 376 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 1: just from one of the talent they've acquired. Two the 377 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 1: kids they've acquired, They've got a bunch of really good 378 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:50,360 Speaker 1: kids that love ball, very coachable, good team were any kids. 379 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 1: And then their facilities phenomenal. So it's hard to walk 380 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 1: into Clemson and not like some people and uh, it's 381 00:18:56,760 --> 00:19:00,200 Speaker 1: just because there's talent, they're they're great kids. And then 382 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 1: the facility is phenomenal. I mean it's the best in 383 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: the country. Um. So you know to the point where 384 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 1: I was walking when I was there this year, I 385 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 1: was there late at night and I grabbed my phone 386 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 1: out and I was FaceTime and my kids, and my 387 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:17,880 Speaker 1: six year old Julian asked me, Daddy, can I play 388 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:21,959 Speaker 1: football Clemson and not for the Ravens. Do I have 389 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 1: to play for the right? I don't know, but you 390 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 1: can play Clemson first. Julie's all in, Yeah, you know, 391 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 1: he's Julian's going to Clemson and mainly because I showed 392 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 1: him Clemson's cool. They have a slide, a literal legit 393 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 1: metal slide that goes from the second floor. The players 394 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: can leave meeting rooms and fly down that slide. I've 395 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:46,640 Speaker 1: gone down it twice and you haul down. It's like 396 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 1: you know, it's like Chevy Chase in in uh Christmas 397 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 1: Vacation and he gets on the whipping down that thing. 398 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 1: Um so he So I actually went down the slide 399 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 1: on FaceTime. Hey thought it was the coolest thing. And 400 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:02,439 Speaker 1: you go, you go outside right to the weight room. 401 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:04,919 Speaker 1: So it's great. Players right into the players get down 402 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 1: their meetings and go right down to the entrance to 403 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: the weight room, walk in the weight room and get 404 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 1: a lift in. So it's really cool. Uh, they got 405 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 1: sleeping rooms everything. They they they're ahead of the game. 406 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:17,679 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's a really neat place. So if 407 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:20,200 Speaker 1: you don't take it, sorry an edge rusher in the 408 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 1: first round. Do you feel good about the guys that 409 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 1: you could get later on the draft in terms of 410 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 1: them being immediate impact? Yeah, I think so. I mean 411 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 1: you like to think guys can come and impact you 412 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 1: right away. Um, that would be the hope in any 413 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 1: player we take really from really the first four rounds. 414 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: You'd like to see a guy be able to impact you. 415 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:38,399 Speaker 1: But if you look at last year's draft with Bows 416 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 1: impacting us in the sixth round and so, um yeah, 417 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:45,679 Speaker 1: hey guess that words undrafted. So every guy you you 418 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 1: you make a raven. You hope that they can make 419 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:51,400 Speaker 1: an impact for you. Um, but you also understand that, hey, 420 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:55,399 Speaker 1: there's guys here that are coming back hoping to make 421 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: an impact and keep that rookie on the bench. You know, 422 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 1: I know Tius and Tim they have a great opportunity 423 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:03,400 Speaker 1: this year. So we take an age Dresher. They're they're 424 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 1: they're coming in out, they're coming out here and there 425 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 1: their goals and not let that guy see the field. 426 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: So um, and if that happens, that's a great thing 427 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: because that means those guys have taken the big step 428 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 1: and helping us out offensive line. I think there's a 429 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: prevailing thought that at center, it's like if you take 430 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: the top center, all right, it's it's a plug and 431 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 1: play guy for the next ten years. You know, like 432 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 1: you can get the top center in college football. Uh, 433 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 1: late in the first round. Do you value that as 434 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 1: as a position that's a unique this year because there's 435 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,880 Speaker 1: a lot of good ones and be where you can 436 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 1: find some really good value. Uh yeah, you know, I 437 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 1: wouldn't call unique. Last year was Billy Price, right, he 438 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:45,919 Speaker 1: went pretty high, he went in his first round, and 439 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 1: then but Laton Yeah, so yeah, I mean, you can 440 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 1: definitely there's guys that are valued at starting centers in 441 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:01,679 Speaker 1: in this draft, and uh, you know, but you can 442 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:05,399 Speaker 1: get a starting center's free agent mats girl, you know so, Um, 443 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 1: I think that's a position where you get I mean, 444 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 1: you look at Ryan Jensen. I know it it was 445 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: until his fourth year, fifth year really because you're thumb 446 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 1: practic squad one year. But that's a position where guys 447 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 1: develop into starters or guys come in and being impact 448 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:25,439 Speaker 1: a one starter. But that's a position where you can definitely, 449 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 1: offensive line in general, you can you can find some 450 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 1: starters later in the draft because you're just looking for big, tough, 451 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 1: smart football players. They get the game and know how 452 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 1: to know how to play the game. Uh in some 453 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 1: linebacker to Devons are the kind of the guys that 454 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: right there at the top of that list. Eric said 455 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:47,199 Speaker 1: back after the pre Jects pre draft press that he 456 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: thought both of them would probably be gone before we're 457 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: on the clock. Do you still think that's gonna be 458 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 1: the case. And if one of those guys is there, 459 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:54,479 Speaker 1: I mean, is that a pretty tough guy to pass up? 460 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 1: They're both cinently guys and in terms of passing them up, 461 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 1: It just depends if because there's other guys we have 462 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,360 Speaker 1: above the Devons, you know, and I'll tell you, I'll 463 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 1: tell you everyone right now we have Devon higher than Devon, 464 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,879 Speaker 1: just so I'll get and tip our hands. We have 465 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: so for those of you wondered. But no, yeah, they're 466 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 1: both talented players. You know, could I see them being there? 467 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 1: Probably not, just based on if you just look at 468 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 1: the mocks, you know, and the buzz. But um, if 469 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 1: they are there and they're the highest guy on our board, 470 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:35,920 Speaker 1: then they'll be a raven. If there's a guy above them, 471 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,880 Speaker 1: there won't be. So when we Garrett, I will put 472 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,199 Speaker 1: out our seven round muck draft and I'll say that, 473 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 1: I'll say this, the two guys we got coming back 474 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 1: we're excited about. All right. They played good They played 475 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: good football. Chris will be interesting played good football force 476 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 1: last year. And and you know, you look at the 477 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:56,440 Speaker 1: production and Canny being a rookie and Crisp being a 478 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: rookie free agent, and then Peanut has really developed a 479 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 1: play maker force. I mean the playmaker you talk about 480 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:06,920 Speaker 1: some impact plays that really turned our season. You know, 481 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 1: one game in the Charger if he does he knows 482 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 1: what happened. I mean, so he's made some really dynamic 483 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,880 Speaker 1: place and so you just okay, think about the jump 484 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 1: he's made each year, Well, I expect another jump to happen. 485 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 1: So in the same thing with Kenny, I think he's 486 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 1: gonna he's gonna make another jumps. Um and Chris. So 487 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 1: we're excited about the guys we have here, and the 488 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: coaching staffs excited. So um, you know, we feel good 489 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 1: about those two guys. Those three guys work in the 490 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 1: middle of the field force. So so we're gonna put 491 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 1: out our seven round Ravens mock drafts next week. How 492 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,159 Speaker 1: much will you take that into the draft room with 493 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 1: you on Thursday, Friday and at and closely follow You're like, 494 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 1: we're on the border here, but don't you make things 495 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 1: to make is make this is makeing. You know, we'll 496 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 1: take it all in. You know, you know we'll be 497 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 1: in there. I mean, you know, when when's it coming out? 498 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:57,399 Speaker 1: When you gotta give it to us? I think probably Tuesday, 499 00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,239 Speaker 1: Wednesday something, all right? So I mean if you if 500 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: we had it before the meetings and then I talked 501 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:05,399 Speaker 1: about what we got to put it out earlier, we 502 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 1: can't you know, I won't be able to use that 503 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,440 Speaker 1: in our meetings early next week, but yeah, definitely we'll 504 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: be in there on the draft, you know, the draft day, 505 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 1: saying wait a minute, make things we should go this direction. 506 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:17,199 Speaker 1: Do you order, like in reality, like pull out a 507 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: mock draft from some of the more prominent guys, probable 508 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 1: people that are like us, say like this is who 509 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,719 Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah thinks, this is who mel kiper This mayok. 510 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 1: Unfortunately he was like one of the more reliable guys. 511 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 1: But I don't think he's gonna put out a monster's 512 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 1: probably not. Like sure, he's made his own. But yeah, 513 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 1: do you ever like look at those and say, all right, 514 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:41,639 Speaker 1: these guys, we know they're talking to a lot of people. 515 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: Maybe this does hold some weight. Yeah. They So what 516 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 1: they do is they do try to talk to a 517 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 1: lot of people, um, and they just kind of get 518 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:55,120 Speaker 1: a consensus to where guys where people see different players, Um, 519 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 1: you know, at least you know, knowing Mike the way 520 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:01,879 Speaker 1: Mike did things, and he would just kind of like, okay, 521 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,160 Speaker 1: and he looks at the number of guys that are 522 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: historically taken in the first round at each position, so, um, 523 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 1: you know, three quarterbacks are gonna go four quarterbacks are 524 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 1: gonna go four. I think four corners will go, you know, 525 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 1: things like that. So he'll make sure he's got four 526 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 1: corners in his mock, you know. Um. And I think 527 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:19,920 Speaker 1: Daniel is probably gonna do the same thing. And because 528 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,359 Speaker 1: him and Michael close, he probably does the same thing. Um. 529 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,919 Speaker 1: But yeah, so those guys are going based off of 530 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:30,439 Speaker 1: what they're here in their conversations with teams agents, you know. 531 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 1: And that's the thing about mocks, like you know, they 532 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 1: may think the Baltimore Ravens like a player, but they 533 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 1: don't know that from the Baltimore Ravens. You know, they're 534 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 1: basing that on. Okay, the Ravens talked to a guy 535 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 1: at a pro day, you know, well what's that always 536 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:54,119 Speaker 1: cracks you up because we talked to every so but 537 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: you know, but it's also agent driven to a degree. 538 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,400 Speaker 1: You know, they you know, the agents, Hey, this team 539 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,719 Speaker 1: is really hot on my guy, and you know, or 540 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 1: it's interesting so um, because they do talk to agents too. 541 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 1: So some of it's eight you know, guys pushed up 542 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 1: the board a little bit by agents, but they do 543 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:16,120 Speaker 1: generally if you take the collective group, the masses, they 544 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 1: have a pulse, you know, of what the league wide 545 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,640 Speaker 1: opinion is. I think have you ever put together mock drafts? 546 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,920 Speaker 1: Does any has Eric or any guys? And you guys 547 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 1: like when I say when I say, I never put 548 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,200 Speaker 1: you always like as your head. Yeah, I think this 549 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:32,959 Speaker 1: is who they're gonna take. They're gonna be looking at 550 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 1: one of these guys. But um, it's more like you 551 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 1: just anticipate certain players being gone. You know these guys 552 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 1: are going to be gone. This is probably who we're 553 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 1: going to be looking at. And that's so it's it's 554 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 1: you do it from a standpoint of clusters, not necessarily. 555 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 1: I think the Indianapolis Colts are going to select you know, yeah, 556 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 1: are you gonna ever reveal who your first round pick 557 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 1: is in your MOC right now? Yeah? Because you know 558 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:03,680 Speaker 1: before gets into me, at least I can carry this 559 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 1: in exactly. So my guy, my favorite receiver is A J. Brown. Okay, Okay, 560 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 1: my guy who I think we're gonna pick is Marquis Brown. Okay, 561 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 1: That's who I'm going with. That's who you think we're picking. 562 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 1: But so you want me to carry in the A J. 563 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 1: Brown is your favorite guy? Well, you see, I think 564 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 1: I think if we're at twenty two, mark Ease makes 565 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: more sense that that will happen. I think if we 566 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 1: trade back a little bit, which I think we're going 567 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 1: to try to, then I think A J. Brown is 568 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 1: the guy and I like Brown. This is one of 569 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,359 Speaker 1: the right. So you have if you have A J. 570 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 1: Brown over Marquis Brown, why would you take Marquis Brown? 571 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 1: Because I'm trying to predict what you guys are gonna do. Okay, 572 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 1: so it's a predictive. Yeah, okay, yeah, I'm I'm dumb. 573 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,719 Speaker 1: You guys are smart. I just want to know who. 574 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 1: I just want to know who I like. And I 575 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:52,239 Speaker 1: really like A J. Brown because production he's done it right, 576 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 1: He's done it more than d K has he's been, 577 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 1: he's been healthier than d K. Right, he can block. 578 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 1: He's a bigger guy. I mean DK think Ken too, 579 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: But a JB Buck he just makes like when you 580 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 1: just watch I just want to see a guy who 581 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 1: makes a ride into plays and does it consistently like 582 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 1: A J's got the speed he's got, like the quickness 583 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 1: he run after catch size top. I mean, he just 584 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 1: checks all the boxes to me, whereas d K has 585 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 1: a lot of question Marks Decay's ceiling could be really high. 586 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 1: I mean, he's alluring, but a J I think his 587 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 1: ceiling could be high to a J. Brown seems to 588 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 1: have a high floor, but maybe a ceiling is like 589 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 1: a Marks Brown or as a d K back after 590 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 1: This is an interesting year where him I actually agree 591 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 1: because I like a J. Brown too, And that's it's 592 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 1: funny because typically we don't try to Typically we do 593 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 1: have a million conversations, but this year we said, all right, 594 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 1: stop telling me what you think because you're gonna cloud 595 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 1: my judgment here. So but then we both reveal which 596 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 1: receiver we like the most, and it was a J. 597 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 1: Brown for both of us. But I'm gonna I'm taking 598 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 1: a J. Brown in my mock with me with I 599 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 1: think we're gonna take Marquis. We don't know what the 600 00:29:55,800 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 1: playmaker with with the nuance that I think they're both playmakers. 601 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 1: What do you what do you say? Welcome to my life? 602 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 1: Welcome to my life? Al right, So I do last question, 603 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 1: I do have to ask you Eric's first draft as GM, like, 604 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 1: do you sense any uh nervousness excitement come from him 605 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 1: for his first I mean Ozzie's first pick was a 606 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 1: big I mean it was he had the fourth overall pick, 607 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 1: so he was in a little better situation. But like 608 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 1: we all look back at that, it's like, wow, Ozzie's 609 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 1: first pick. You know, we could look back on this 610 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 1: the same way for Eric, right right, right exactly, let's 611 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 1: get a Hall of famers. Um, do you get the 612 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 1: sense that he used his first pick as GM is 613 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 1: like a big deal? Um? I think he will be excited, Okay, Um, 614 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 1: and yes, it's a big Absolutely if I were the GM, 615 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 1: if I'm ever a GM, my first picket will be 616 00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 1: a big deal. It doesn't matter if it's the first 617 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 1: pick of the draft or the thirty second picker. If 618 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 1: you don't have a first rounder, it's a big deal. 619 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 1: You're gonna remember that first pick as GM. I remember 620 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 1: when we took Michael or when I was our director 621 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 1: of College County. That's a big deal to be as 622 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 1: my first pick. So, um, yeah, I think it will 623 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 1: be in terms of excitement or anxiety. Eric has been 624 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 1: so instrumental in the process, uh, for as long as 625 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,520 Speaker 1: I can remember, you know, Um, he's been our director 626 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 1: since two thousand and three draft, I think, Um, so 627 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 1: he's always very you know a director and then obviously 628 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 1: director player personally all the way on that Um He's 629 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 1: always been very involved. So the process, the anticipation, the 630 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 1: excitement that we all feel on draft day, that's going 631 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 1: to be the same there. But there will be I'm 632 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 1: sure there will be a personal connection with the player. 633 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 1: For Eric Um as his first pick s GM, I 634 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 1: would think, you know, so that personal connection with him 635 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 1: and A. J. Brown thanks so much of the time. 636 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 1: It's always going appreciate it, all right, thank you, Joe. Alright, 637 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 1: well good stuff from Joe uh off the records. He 638 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 1: told us to pick, so we know, yeah, definitely j K. 639 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 1: He would never ever do that. If he told us 640 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 1: to pick and said like, hey, guys, this is who's 641 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 1: gonna be. Don't tell anybody. I would one know that 642 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 1: he's lying. Like if you if you were to say 643 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 1: that to us and try to play it off as serious, 644 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 1: I wouldn't believe him for a second. I would not 645 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 1: want him to tell me to pick. I don't want 646 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 1: I don't like to This is right, this is the 647 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 1: time of the year where like because we're making these 648 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 1: guesses right that, like, I don't want anybody to think 649 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 1: that I'm actually divulging something that I might know because 650 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:39,480 Speaker 1: and I'll tell every listener out there and if any 651 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 1: other teams listening out there. I don't know, Jack, right, 652 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 1: you can write that down. That's your teaser for the episode. 653 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 1: I don't know, Jack, there's your little clip. Um, but 654 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 1: like seriously, like there's been past years where I've gone 655 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 1: down to the weight room or something. You know, when 656 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 1: you used to work out. When I used to work out, 657 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 1: A used to have muscles, um, and like Oz, you'd 658 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,200 Speaker 1: be down there and he'd be talking with Eric, and 659 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 1: I would just cruise right past them. Like you don't 660 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 1: even want to be perceived as a guy who's trying 661 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 1: to hear stuff because then if something gets out and 662 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 1: you get blamed, that's the worst. So I'm like fingers 663 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 1: in the ears. I don't want to know, right because 664 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:17,480 Speaker 1: if you know, it's like, well who knows, Like well 665 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 1: only us to know. But you know, make was in 666 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 1: the weight room last night, went at one time, kind 667 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,960 Speaker 1: of lingering, Yeah, take his headphones out of his ears 668 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 1: when he walked by. I like my job. I'd like 669 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 1: to keep my job. So there's certain things I don't 670 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 1: want to be pretty too. Yeah, I totally agree with that. 671 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 1: So next week's episode we will reveal our full seven 672 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,239 Speaker 1: round mock drafts. Make kind of let the cat out 673 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,320 Speaker 1: of the bag on a couple of guys this week, 674 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 1: and we also told Joe who our first round picks 675 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:44,800 Speaker 1: are going to be, so uh, stay tuned for that. 676 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 1: It's always a fun episode and uh, let us know 677 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 1: who you're gonna who you think we're gonna take. You 678 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 1: can emails with the Lounge at Ravens dot NFL dot. 679 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. We'll be back with you next week. 680 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 1: Pass past insituates to Spenca Spas, Pass Basta