WEBVTT - 201: White Hat's Off w/ Joshua Malina

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<v Speaker 1>Unpacking the Toolbox is a production of Shondaland Audio in

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<v Speaker 1>partnership with Iheartradios.

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<v Speaker 2>Katie, Do you like how unattractive I am? Like, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>a real chameleon?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you kidding me? Shut the fuck up? No?

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<v Speaker 2>No, Like me without makeup is impressive, and me with

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<v Speaker 2>makeup is I'm a fucking dream.

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<v Speaker 1>Look what do you want? Yo? How was the audition?

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<v Speaker 2>It was my first time ever using a teleprompter?

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<v Speaker 3>Have you?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh really? Oh yeah, I've used teleprompters, but not for

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<v Speaker 1>scripted stuff, only for like hosts, the type things.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, when i get like eight pages of monologues, now,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, oh, guys, especially if it's like dea crap.

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<v Speaker 2>Speaking of dea and lawyerly speak, we have the fucking

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<v Speaker 2>most mischievous guest today coming on, and he's the best

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<v Speaker 2>lawyer speak motherfucker actor I've ever seen in my life.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, can you believe.

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<v Speaker 2>This motherfucker at how easy? I hate him? I know,

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<v Speaker 2>I know, And I'm drilling like legal talk and making

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<v Speaker 2>it feel like it just like comes off the time.

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<v Speaker 2>And also it takes me days to prep that, and

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<v Speaker 2>this shit came in like yesterday.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it takes me days because I need to be confident,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I want to feel confident. But this motherfucker, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean you've said this before. God, he'll look at that

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<v Speaker 1>shit in the makeup trader and be like and then get.

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<v Speaker 2>An inn and it's easy. And he's not even shaken.

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<v Speaker 2>He can't be shook.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, because he could give a shit too. He's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't care, I don't care. I just want the cake.

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<v Speaker 2>Great, I mean, this is his middle name should be.

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<v Speaker 1>I just want the paycheck.

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<v Speaker 2>Had you ever had auditions where you have to like

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<v Speaker 2>pick up sides or a script, oh my capos or

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<v Speaker 2>some o the time?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you kidding? All the time?

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<v Speaker 2>Really?

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<v Speaker 1>When I first moved to La I would have to

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<v Speaker 1>drive to my agency and there would be a basket

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<v Speaker 1>in the lobby if it was after hours, and they

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<v Speaker 1>would leave your script in a Manila envelope with your

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<v Speaker 1>name on it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I remember that. At the time of this recording,

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<v Speaker 2>I would just also like to say, this is the

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<v Speaker 2>seventeenth year to the day anniversary when I moved to Las.

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<v Speaker 3>What.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, that's a long time.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a long time, Like I can't even believe it.

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<v Speaker 2>But I always remember getting off at lax, being like,

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<v Speaker 2>what did I just do to blow out my life

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<v Speaker 2>like this? Renting a beatter piece of shit sucked up car,

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<v Speaker 2>and I got on the four h five and the

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<v Speaker 2>ten scariest drive of my entire life. And I had

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<v Speaker 2>a Thomas guy to get around.

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<v Speaker 1>Some big ass nerd created the Thomas Guide. I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>don't even come at me with this thick book of

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<v Speaker 1>fucking coordinates, Like what are you talking about?

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<v Speaker 2>So I used to try to get around auditions.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh hell no.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a geographic dumb dumb. I'm a bad driver, like

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<v Speaker 2>very bad, which reminds me. Also, you and I, You

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<v Speaker 2>and I are cut, we have the same We shot

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<v Speaker 2>the pilot and it's raining and you're in a you're

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<v Speaker 2>so hot, you're in a leather jacket and you're in

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<v Speaker 2>a jeep wrangler that has no top.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god. Remember, And you're.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, can I follow you to get on the one

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<v Speaker 2>oh one? And I kept saying like yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I got it, I got it, I got it. And

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<v Speaker 2>I see you in my rearview mirror like following me,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't know where I'm going, and I just

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<v Speaker 2>remember I keep pulling Uie's and you're pulling Uie's and

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<v Speaker 2>it's straining as shit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was like, it would be worse if it

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<v Speaker 1>was just me, a girl. I was impressed at all.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, do you think take your time now?

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<v Speaker 2>There are a few controversial players that we have had

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<v Speaker 2>on the podcast that we're going to have on the podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Controversial players. This one is a controversial player because he

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<v Speaker 2>is a polarizing motherfucker.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the number one fucking polarizing.

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<v Speaker 2>Like you either are on board with his antics or

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<v Speaker 2>you are afraid, which makes you mad at him.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I fucking Teeter Tod. I'm back and forth like

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<v Speaker 1>I love him and I laugh and I enjoy it,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I'm like, I cannot believe you freaking did that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so pissed at him, Like I go back and forth.

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<v Speaker 2>He's kind of scared of you.

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<v Speaker 1>I could feel that too, because I'll go off on

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<v Speaker 1>a motherfucker.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>See, he never fucked with you, no yah, And I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like it's because he was always a little bit like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't do that to Garmo, Like you don't there,

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<v Speaker 2>he didn't do to you what he's done did to me,

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<v Speaker 2>or because I'm such a fucking easy target. But here's

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<v Speaker 2>the thing, he's the most talented dude without trying, which

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<v Speaker 2>is so frustrating. Yeah, like Josh Molina is the smartest person.

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<v Speaker 3>In the room.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, but also a quick win and a quick

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<v Speaker 1>intelligence like I people ask me a question and I

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<v Speaker 1>have to be like, give me twenty minutes to go

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<v Speaker 1>try to understand the question and think of what I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna say.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes, guys, we would do cold reads of our scripts,

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<v Speaker 2>and I would be fucking mortified that they would find

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<v Speaker 2>out in a cold read, like how exactly dumb I am?

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<v Speaker 2>And like I wouldn't know how to pronounce a word,

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<v Speaker 2>or there might be like a turn of phrase or

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<v Speaker 2>something that was like a colloquialism. Same, like quickly look

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<v Speaker 2>at Quinn's lines to make sure there wasn't something that

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<v Speaker 2>would out how like unintelligent I was. Because there were

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<v Speaker 2>so many fucking smart people in our cast, Like do

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<v Speaker 2>you know that Bellamy Young and Josh Williana went to Yale.

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<v Speaker 1>Fucking Yale dude like Yuryo.

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<v Speaker 2>Kidding and Shanda went to Dartmouth. Half the writers or

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<v Speaker 2>more were like journalists perfect like unorbelievable talenty Harry went

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<v Speaker 2>to gw g's right. Obviously, she's a political animal and

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<v Speaker 2>just ridiculously smart.

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<v Speaker 1>Where'd you go, Katie.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I went to schoolcident. Oh, you gotta be smart

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<v Speaker 2>to get in there.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, listen, it's not easy to get into.

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<v Speaker 2>No, you have to have done well. But it has

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<v Speaker 2>nothing to do with smarts. For me, I just was

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<v Speaker 2>good at school, and if I wasn't going to get

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<v Speaker 2>a great grade, I knew how to do extra time

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<v Speaker 2>in the teacher's room to make them like me and

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<v Speaker 2>give me an a like. I was working that shit

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<v Speaker 2>ya from Jump. But guys, we have teased one of

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<v Speaker 2>the most controversial and polarizing guests to have ever been

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<v Speaker 2>on the skin of Rewatch podcast and on Scandal. I

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<v Speaker 2>love him. I think he's so amazing. And we are

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<v Speaker 2>talking about episode two oh one called White Hats Off,

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<v Speaker 2>which aired on September twenty seventh of twenty twelve, and it.

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<v Speaker 1>Was written by Jenna Bands and directed by our very

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<v Speaker 1>own we love him so much, Tom Verica.

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<v Speaker 2>Whoa, whoa, We love you, Tom Verica. It was guest

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<v Speaker 2>starring Wendy Davis Is, Kimberly, Mitchell Reese Rios as Reporter

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<v Speaker 2>Number one did Nora Wilcott is reporter number two, Erica

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<v Speaker 2>Schaeffer's TV newscaster, j Jackson as local newscaster.

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<v Speaker 1>And then we have Jimmy Kimmel as himself, Jackson Hurst

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<v Speaker 1>as Congressman Jacob Shaw, Gillian Armanante as Moira, O'Donnell Maro

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<v Speaker 1>Sodan as doctor Brown. And I wanted to add Shelley

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<v Speaker 1>Morrison as the judge who played Rosario in Will and Grace.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, come on, she was the job.

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<v Speaker 3>Come on.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the synopsis. This was our first episode back.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, after we shot the first seven episodes of

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<v Speaker 2>the first season, we didn't know for sure if we

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<v Speaker 2>were going to get a second season, right, we didn't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Six months after Quin's arrest, Olivia and the OPA team

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<v Speaker 2>are confident they'll win her case, as David Rosen's evidence

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<v Speaker 2>is mostly just Quinn's motive, her cheating ex boyfriend, and

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that she fled.

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<v Speaker 1>The OPA team helps a congressman navigate a sex tape scandal.

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<v Speaker 1>Is Quinn's case begins to crumble around her, but Olivia

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<v Speaker 1>refuses to let Quinn be.

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<v Speaker 2>Found guilty, probably because she and Huck were the ones

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<v Speaker 2>actually behind Quinn's new identity. I remember literally spending all

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<v Speaker 2>summer with people asking me if I knew who Quinn

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<v Speaker 2>Perkins was, and I was.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, uh no, because because at the cliffhanger at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of season one is Olivia telling Quinn, do you

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<v Speaker 1>want to tell them who you are? Or you want

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<v Speaker 1>me to tell them? Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you want to tell them who you really are?

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<v Speaker 2>Should I?

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<v Speaker 1>Or should I? Yeah? So people held on too that

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<v Speaker 1>for how long before we came back?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, this aired September twenty seventh, in twenty twelve, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think our last Scandal episode was like May. So

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<v Speaker 2>it was like this summer that I got married.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh oh, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I have this memory of two hundred and fifteen people

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<v Speaker 2>going like, so, who.

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<v Speaker 1>Are who is it? Who are you?

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<v Speaker 2>Who is Quinn? Who is Quinn? And I'm like, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, I don't know. Yeah, I hope I have

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<v Speaker 2>a job. I hope ahead a job.

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<v Speaker 1>And probably the writers didn't fully know exactly which direction

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<v Speaker 1>they we're going to go either, I would think, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean think they.

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<v Speaker 2>Knew it, Yeah, I don't think they knew it all.

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<v Speaker 2>Every episode with Hollis Doyle until this point, he is

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<v Speaker 2>seen eating or mentioning gettysburger.

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<v Speaker 1>Mmm, gettysburger. How good does a burger sound right now? Fuck?

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<v Speaker 2>I would rush a burger right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Like ugh, I was watching Anthony Bourdain, uh last night,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's eating a cheeseburger at just like a you know,

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<v Speaker 1>one of those like stands outside he was in, like

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, he was like in Jamaica or somewhere,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was just a greasy cheeseburger and it looks

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<v Speaker 1>so fucking good.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, come on, oh god, I love it. There

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<v Speaker 2>are three fucking continuity errors in this episode. Photos of

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<v Speaker 2>a Lane show that she's blonde, but in truth or Consequences,

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<v Speaker 2>the actors playing a Lane is a brunette.

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<v Speaker 1>A brunette.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh this is the best. Yeah, Jesse Tyler is not

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<v Speaker 2>Adam Shapiro at this time. It's some other dude that

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<v Speaker 2>they took photos of and they whoopsie doodle.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they didn't know Adam was gonna play play the role.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>No.

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<v Speaker 2>After Olivia and David leave the court, the next scene

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<v Speaker 2>shows the Monument of Iwojima with the State House in

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<v Speaker 2>Washington monument in the background, But the EU Gema monument

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<v Speaker 2>is not in DC. It's in Arlington.

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<v Speaker 1>That's messed up advertising.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's that's that continuity that didn't happen. Were there

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<v Speaker 2>any winning scenes from this episode?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>And you're in it. The scene where you end up

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<v Speaker 1>firing Olivia and she comes to see you in jail, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and your other attorney that you hire is there, and

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<v Speaker 1>Olivia's like, give me a moment, please, and You're like, fine,

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<v Speaker 1>give us a moment and you're their face off, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you and Olivia going add it and you stand up

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<v Speaker 1>and we see Quinn's fury, like, come out. You were

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<v Speaker 1>so good. You were a fucking powerhouse.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's oh god, I thought I was horrible.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I was gonna ask you, have you ever flipped

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<v Speaker 1>out like that? You've done that? Right? Yeah? Well that

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<v Speaker 1>scene where you flip out on Olivia. Man, I fucking

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<v Speaker 1>loved it.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, hell yeah, I really think. I really

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<v Speaker 2>think all of Josh's room scenes are fucking unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh so good. That courtroom stuff is really really fun,

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<v Speaker 1>fun to watch. And and again we mentioned to do

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<v Speaker 1>and hard to do, and can we say how much

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<v Speaker 1>I love how much we love a Gillian Armanante who

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<v Speaker 1>played your defense attorney. Oh she's so great in this episode.

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<v Speaker 1>And I looked her up too, and she she had

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<v Speaker 1>been in two epic movies. One was a Dog Fight

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<v Speaker 1>with Lily Taylor. If you've ever seen that film, it

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<v Speaker 1>no great movie.

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<v Speaker 2>I see nothing. I watched nothing, I do nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>And then she was in Girl Interrupted with Winona Ryder.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I thought was interesting. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Abby is into watching the sex tape herself. I wrote,

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<v Speaker 2>there's the your ornamental not instrumental, yes, which is a

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<v Speaker 2>big winning line from since that's amazing. You are ornamental,

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<v Speaker 2>not your ornamental not instrumental.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh so good.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, it's Olivia. It's so slow and they

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<v Speaker 2>say hello and hi.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that this whole time. Huck and Olivia have

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<v Speaker 1>the best poker face. Oh, Like they're the ones that

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<v Speaker 1>speaking Quinn and moved her to a whole different state,

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<v Speaker 1>right yes, and changed her identity and they know this

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<v Speaker 1>throughout the whole episode. And those two have the best

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<v Speaker 1>like poker face, like they're not letting anything show.

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<v Speaker 2>And not until the end of the episode do we

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<v Speaker 2>know that all of Quinn Perkins is hucked on Olivia.

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<v Speaker 1>And Huck is like, she took everything we gave her

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<v Speaker 1>we're good to go or something like that. Yo. It

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<v Speaker 1>made me also think like what would I have done

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<v Speaker 1>in that situation? Would I have been like fuck, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna do this, or would I would have you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like flipped out and ran outside of the hotel crying, Like.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't think I would have done it.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think so either.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I feel like that's such a tell about Quinn

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<v Speaker 2>and who she is that she just was like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll just be a new person.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>One of them many reasons we're bringing Josh Malina into

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<v Speaker 2>this episode is because he's about to embark on the

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<v Speaker 2>craziest season two, like so insane. But also this is

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<v Speaker 2>the first episode where Josh Molina and Bellamy young our

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<v Speaker 2>series regular.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. I can't believe that they weren't always regulars either,

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<v Speaker 1>because they're both.

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<v Speaker 2>So good, so present, their storylines are so important to

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<v Speaker 2>season one.

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<v Speaker 1>They were just guest stars.

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<v Speaker 2>Germo in a sliding doors. Josh or Bellamy could have

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<v Speaker 2>booked something or been offered something.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh for sure, and we would have had some a

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<v Speaker 1>different first lady in a different rosen.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and they would have been unavailable, like when you're

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<v Speaker 2>a recurring guest star. There's nothing in the thing that

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<v Speaker 2>says that you're loyal to that one show.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, we'll be right back.

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<v Speaker 3>Guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, Wait the most the one whoa facial.

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<v Speaker 1>There, I know why I did too.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah, you handsome. We were saying that you might be

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<v Speaker 2>the most controversial Scandal guests.

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<v Speaker 3>As far as controversial, I think I am the closest

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<v Speaker 3>to having gotten fired without actually getting fired.

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<v Speaker 1>That's true.

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<v Speaker 3>I got called to uncomfortable meetings a couple of times

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<v Speaker 3>because of pranks.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe it. I'm not surprised.

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<v Speaker 2>I also told Giermo before you came on, I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I think there's very few people that that Josh was

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<v Speaker 2>actually afraid of on Scandal, like fucking with them too much.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was like Shanda, Betsy and Geirmo. I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>they're the only thing people Josh fucked with but for

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<v Speaker 2>some reason actually respected some sort of line.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going based in fear. I think that's true. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm only scared of Germo because I watched the show. Personally,

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<v Speaker 3>he's a pussy cat. But I made a mistake of

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<v Speaker 3>watching a few episodes of Scandal, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>I gotta watch it.

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<v Speaker 1>For that guy, and you were like, this motherfucker's crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, he's fucking scary. He's fucking scary. Wait, Josh,

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<v Speaker 2>so the West Wing podcast, when did you start it

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<v Speaker 2>and when did you end it?

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<v Speaker 3>March twenty sixteen, and then I believe the final wrap

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<v Speaker 3>up episode was on my birthday January seventeenth, twenty twenty,

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<v Speaker 3>so it was about four years. Just shy of four years.

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<v Speaker 1>Holy oh wow.

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<v Speaker 3>We did a live show at the Ace Theater.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh the Ace. That's huge. Oh nice, The Ace Theater

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<v Speaker 2>is fucking massive.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Fun fact about season one of Scandal, uh huh.

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<v Speaker 3>I was a guest star in all seven episodes of

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<v Speaker 3>season one, and I remember Kerry One saying to me, so,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm in every episode of season one and you're in

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<v Speaker 3>every episode of season one. But I'm a series regular

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<v Speaker 3>and you, Josh, are guest star. What does that mean?

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<v Speaker 3>I said? You know how, at the end of the week,

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<v Speaker 3>you get a lot of money. At the end of

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<v Speaker 3>the week, I get very little money. And that's what

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<v Speaker 3>the difference is.

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't that always a bitch? I've been in the positions

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<v Speaker 1>and then you always feel bad and your agents are

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<v Speaker 1>always like you either got to walk away or you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just accept it and keep doing the job.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, by the way, that happens now more than ever.

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<v Speaker 1>Usually I would just stay and keep doing the job

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<v Speaker 1>for no money, because you don't want to lose a job.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. No, I wanted to work for Shanda Rhimes. I

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<v Speaker 3>had done episodes of before her, I'm Practice and Grey's Anatomy.

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<v Speaker 1>You did you did a graze?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Oh yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Were you adorable? Wait? What did you play on Grays?

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<v Speaker 3>I was young. On Gray's. I was Leslie Grossman's husband

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<v Speaker 3>and she needed a equal transplant and I had great

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<v Speaker 3>lines like no poop, no poop for you.

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<v Speaker 1>You came onto the right podcast, Josh, because we talk

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<v Speaker 1>about poop a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>We talked about shitting like nobody business. But wait, Josh,

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<v Speaker 2>two things.

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<v Speaker 3>One.

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<v Speaker 2>We wanted to have you on this episode two oh

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<v Speaker 2>one because congratulations, this is when you became a series regular.

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<v Speaker 2>So now you can continue your story.

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<v Speaker 1>Of why yes, the first.

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<v Speaker 2>Seven were you a little bit? And then the first

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<v Speaker 2>episode of season two, why did it change? And my

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<v Speaker 2>other story I want to say really quickly is that

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<v Speaker 2>when we shot the pilot, you walked onto the set

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<v Speaker 2>and it is the only time I think I've told

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<v Speaker 2>you this and your head's about to get big. It's

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<v Speaker 2>the only time in seven seasons that I saw Shonda

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<v Speaker 2>Rhymes get starstruck.

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<v Speaker 1>She loves you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Josh Melena walked on and she was like, Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm freaking out. I'm freaking out. I was like, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>kind of freaking out too, but she was like, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>totally freaking out, Like I love Josh Milena.

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<v Speaker 1>She was a big West Wing fan, right age West

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<v Speaker 1>Wing fan. Yeah, and really quickly you played Seth Hammer

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<v Speaker 1>on Grey's Anatomy.

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<v Speaker 3>There it is. That's right, Seth Hammer. It was Hammertown

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<v Speaker 3>for a week.

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<v Speaker 2>Why did you become a regular? How did this happen?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, here's what happened. I had been offered episodes of

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<v Speaker 3>Private Practice and Grey's Anatomy because in fact, I think

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<v Speaker 3>Shanda's a big West Wing fan and she couldn't have

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<v Speaker 3>been nice to me when I worked on that. My

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<v Speaker 3>agents called said, Shonda Rhymes has a pilot. I'm like, well,

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't she just want to give it to me? She

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<v Speaker 3>keeps offering me episode And the answer was no, she

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't just want to give it to you, she wants

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<v Speaker 3>you to audition. And then I went in and I remember,

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<v Speaker 3>very awkward, this is really weird. You know, there's like

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<v Speaker 3>usually a chair for the actor, but there was just

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<v Speaker 3>an open space. And then there was a chair like

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<v Speaker 3>next against the wall, and I went and I just

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<v Speaker 3>kind of sat in it next to the wall. And

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<v Speaker 3>then I was like, well, this can't be right, and

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<v Speaker 3>they were like, no, no, that's a weird instinct funny

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<v Speaker 3>stand up and do the scenes. And I did them

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<v Speaker 3>and I felt like it went well, and Shonta Rhymes said, well,

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<v Speaker 3>that's all I need to see. Oh wow, which you

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<v Speaker 3>could take one of two ways. And I remember calling

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<v Speaker 3>my agents and going like either I've ruined my relationship

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<v Speaker 3>with Tonta Rhymes or I think maybe they're gonna give

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<v Speaker 3>it to me, like because she said that's all I

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<v Speaker 3>need to see.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you remember what the scenes were?

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<v Speaker 3>I remember one where like I talked about her spidy

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<v Speaker 3>senses something.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, So it scenes with o Libya. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>when she knocks on your door and you have the

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<v Speaker 2>dartmouth sweater on and you're so cute and you're wearing

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<v Speaker 2>like a darkness sweatshirt.

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<v Speaker 3>Cute, You're very sweet. I think that's exactly what it was.

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<v Speaker 3>And then what they said was this, you got the pilot,

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<v Speaker 3>and I was like, I'm thrilled. And there's this amount

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<v Speaker 3>of money and I was like, wow, that's pretty good.

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<v Speaker 3>They said, wait, wait, wait, but you can choose how

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<v Speaker 3>many episodes you want to be in for the same

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<v Speaker 3>amount of money what In other words, what it came

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<v Speaker 3>out to was seven times minimum. So they're like, if

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<v Speaker 3>you want to be in the entire season, you just

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<v Speaker 3>have to work for minimum in every episode, or you

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<v Speaker 3>can take a real nice big check for one or

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<v Speaker 3>a pretty good check for two. And I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>I want to I don't care. I want to be

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<v Speaker 3>in all of them.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you feel like you wanted to be in all

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<v Speaker 2>of them? Because then you were like, that's going to

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<v Speaker 2>make my character like you need needed.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah, it made it. It seem like the greatest

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<v Speaker 3>chance of becoming a regular. And in the end, we

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<v Speaker 3>actually made a contract where I signed up to do

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<v Speaker 3>all seven as a guest star, and there was already

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<v Speaker 3>in the contract that if they were to go to

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<v Speaker 3>a second season and if they wanted me, I would

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<v Speaker 3>be a regular.

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<v Speaker 1>So that was cute.

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<v Speaker 3>So I was just desperately like waiting.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait. Was Dan Bulkotinski auditioning for David Rosen as well?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, he was, no way. Unfortunately he didn't get it,

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<v Speaker 3>but he did get an end.

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<v Speaker 2>He did, Yeah, he did. He also auditioned Hawk too.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Well that shows one of the nice things about Shonda,

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<v Speaker 3>which is that she's like Aaron Sorkin. She has people

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<v Speaker 3>she loves to work with, and she'll give you your

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<v Speaker 3>shot and figure out where she might be able to

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<v Speaker 3>slot you in, Like she loves Dan's work and like,

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<v Speaker 3>all right, this role, maybe that's not Claire, this isn't Oh,

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<v Speaker 3>I think we found the one, and so we're lucky

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<v Speaker 3>to be in her in her sphere of player.

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<v Speaker 2>When you came on board and started to like, see

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<v Speaker 2>why I say you're controversial is because our cast is

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<v Speaker 2>incredibly gushy and huggy and kissy and lovey and texty,

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<v Speaker 2>and Josh is like not was the West Wing cast

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<v Speaker 2>like really cool and like whatever? And then you got

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<v Speaker 2>into our cast and you were like, this is insane.

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<v Speaker 2>These people love each other way too much. They have

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<v Speaker 2>to stop hugging at every table read nobody fucking cares stop.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think the west Wing was somewhere on the

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<v Speaker 3>spectrum between my like let's never talk to each other

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<v Speaker 3>or touch each other and the scandal ethos of like,

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<v Speaker 3>let's just have a big friendship organ Somewhere between those

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<v Speaker 3>two is west wing. It was probably right in the middle,

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<v Speaker 3>got it.

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<v Speaker 1>Speaking of texting, though, I remember Josh did love texting

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<v Speaker 1>on other people's phones.

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<v Speaker 3>That's true.

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<v Speaker 1>And what he would text was I'm horny.

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<v Speaker 3>I put it on Twitter.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 1>He never did it to me, but you've done it

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<v Speaker 1>to Katie me three times.

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<v Speaker 2>Now. Let's set the scene ten years ago. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think I even had a lock on my phone, to

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<v Speaker 2>be honest. I mean, I was just that naive and trustworthy.

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<v Speaker 2>I just remember chasing you and being like, give me

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<v Speaker 2>back my phone, and he'd get on my Twitter account

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<v Speaker 2>and he would just tweet from my Twitter account I'm morny.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I would just get like days of like

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<v Speaker 2>why isn't Adam taking care of that, and just mortified.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's just the beginning. Have you been a pranks

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<v Speaker 2>through your whole life?

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<v Speaker 3>I have, Indeed I have. When I guests star on

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<v Speaker 3>other people's shows, I'm usually well behaved but then once

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<v Speaker 3>I start feeling comfortable as a series regular on something

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<v Speaker 3>like now I'm bored, let's have some fun. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 3>I usually feel like I won't get fired and unscandaled

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<v Speaker 3>a couple of times it was like Shonda and Betsy

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<v Speaker 3>need to talk.

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<v Speaker 2>To you about and were you, like really scared?

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<v Speaker 3>The first time I finished filming a scene and Ad

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<v Speaker 3>came to me and said, hey, don't change out of

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<v Speaker 3>your wardrobe. You need to go straight to Shandan Betsy's office,

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<v Speaker 3>I was like really, And I said what about? And

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<v Speaker 3>She's like, I don't know. They didn't say, and I was,

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<v Speaker 3>as I was walking there, was thinking, can't be getting.

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<v Speaker 1>A raise, can't be good.

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<v Speaker 3>It seems unlikely that this is good news. And when

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<v Speaker 3>I got up there, it wasn't good news. Jimmy Kimmel,

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<v Speaker 3>who was a prankster himself, had sent me all these

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<v Speaker 3>codes that allow you to send a text or an

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<v Speaker 3>email as if it's from a specific person's phone. And

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<v Speaker 3>I remember writing back to Jimmy like, this is great.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think it would be a bad idea to

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<v Speaker 3>write emails from Shonda Rhymes to people? And he said no,

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<v Speaker 3>I think that would be a great idea, but I

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<v Speaker 3>would wait until Scared handles off.

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<v Speaker 4>The air.

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<v Speaker 1>Right now. No.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, it's April Fool's Day, Like, how can

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<v Speaker 3>I not do this? And I just wrote an email

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<v Speaker 3>to Tom Verica, our executive directing producer, and I wrote

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<v Speaker 3>him an email from Shanda that just said not cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Tom lost his ship.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, as it turns out, he was in the middle

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<v Speaker 3>of renegotiating his contract. This is just bad timing renegotiating.

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<v Speaker 2>Josh, are you fucking kidding me?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? I figured he'd see it. He knows it's a prifool,

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<v Speaker 3>so probably call me and be like, dude, did you

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<v Speaker 3>do this? Or he'll call Shana the laugh. But weeks

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<v Speaker 3>past and I was like, maybe it didn't even go through,

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<v Speaker 3>like they should worry about. Then I got this thing

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<v Speaker 3>like go see them in their office and I sat

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<v Speaker 3>down and they started saying like Tom Verica got in

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<v Speaker 3>an email. I was like, oh, not cool, Tom, Yeah

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<v Speaker 3>I did that, and they were like, don't impersonate me.

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<v Speaker 1>I how did they even find out that it was you?

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<v Speaker 3>They didn't. I think they just went through there.

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<v Speaker 1>They were like it's gotta be Josh.

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<v Speaker 3>Apparently there was a whole like Disney ABC investigations. I

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<v Speaker 3>think they like I don't think they forensically traced it

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<v Speaker 3>to me. I think just someone said, like, who's the asshole,

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<v Speaker 3>who's most likely to have done this?

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<v Speaker 2>I remember vague things after this came out that they

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<v Speaker 2>were like, holy shit, Shanda thought she had been hacked.

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<v Speaker 2>They had hired like people to look through the server

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<v Speaker 2>and make sure that no one else was emailing.

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<v Speaker 3>On The hack was definitely escalated into something I didn't anticipate,

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<v Speaker 3>as pranks sometimes do, and that was a bummer. And

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<v Speaker 3>then the second time, which was really bad, was when Portiuderossity,

0:24:39.560 --> 0:24:42.160
<v Speaker 3>whom I love and played my love interest on and off.

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<v Speaker 3>She was leaving, she was filming her final day, and

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<v Speaker 3>so I took I can't even remember whether it was

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<v Speaker 3>a sunscreen or vasoline, and I put it under the

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<v Speaker 3>door handle on the driver's side of her crazy expensive

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<v Speaker 3>car in the parking spot next to mine. Every day

0:24:58.160 --> 0:24:59.640
<v Speaker 3>I'd be like, oh a Lamborghini.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, unbelievable, Look this is my love language.

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<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't do it to somebody I didn't like, but

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<v Speaker 3>I expected to hear from Portia like that night or

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<v Speaker 3>the next morning, like you got me and blah blah blah,

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<v Speaker 3>never heard anything again. Weeks past. Again, I finished filming

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<v Speaker 3>a scene and somebody was like, you have to go

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<v Speaker 3>straight to there. I'm like, no, not this again. And

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<v Speaker 3>I remember I went up there and uh, I was

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<v Speaker 3>nervously eating candy from the little candy jar waiting in

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<v Speaker 3>the ante room to I guess Shanda's thing. And she

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<v Speaker 3>walked past me and the first time ever, she gave

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<v Speaker 3>me a death stare. And I was like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 3>this is really bad, like because usually I can see

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<v Speaker 3>she like kind of even though I'm a rasped me,

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<v Speaker 3>but this was dead. This was a thousand yards stare.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I just I ran cold. I mean, I'm sweating

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<v Speaker 3>at she's just telling the story. And I went in

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<v Speaker 3>and I think I said, what is it this time?

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<v Speaker 3>Like trying to break the ice and they were not

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<v Speaker 3>having it. They were not laughing, and I think I

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<v Speaker 3>then said, please tell me this isn't about portion car

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<v Speaker 3>door handle, and they were like, yeah, as a matter

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<v Speaker 3>of fact, that is what it's about. And again bad

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<v Speaker 3>timing didn't occur to me the final scene she was

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<v Speaker 3>filming spoiler alert Can I give a spoiler? Maybe not? Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>I believe she died by being beaten to death with

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<v Speaker 3>a golf club. Oh yeah, so she was leaving the show.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure that had some emotion in it. She had

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<v Speaker 3>filmed getting killed by golf club for seven hours, and

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<v Speaker 3>at three in the morning, she went to her car

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<v Speaker 3>and she got a handful of acoline and she thought like, wow,

0:26:41.280 --> 0:26:45.320
<v Speaker 3>somebody hates me. And I was like, whoa, no, And

0:26:45.560 --> 0:26:47.960
<v Speaker 3>I remember saying to that You're absolutely right to be

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<v Speaker 3>upset about this. The last thing I wanted to do

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<v Speaker 3>was upset her. I've talked about doing this thing. I

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<v Speaker 3>thought she would know immediately. Here's what I can tell you.

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<v Speaker 3>I can tell you that I'm going to walk out

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<v Speaker 3>of this office. I'm going to text Portia and I

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<v Speaker 3>give you my word, it's not going to be long

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<v Speaker 3>before I come back with a text that's like, oh

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<v Speaker 3>my god, you got me. And they were like okay,

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<v Speaker 3>And I walked out and runs, I'm so sorry. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>the one who did the vaclay and you know I

0:27:13.320 --> 0:27:15.320
<v Speaker 3>love you, and literally she wrote back like, oh my god,

0:27:15.440 --> 0:27:18.919
<v Speaker 3>I love it. And I walked back and I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>does this get me off the hook? I showed them

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<v Speaker 3>my phone.

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<v Speaker 1>God, damn, damn you, Josh.

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<v Speaker 2>My god.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember Betsy saying essentially, we are accomplished women who

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<v Speaker 3>have more important things to do than field phone calls

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<v Speaker 3>from Ellen DeGeneres who's mad that her. Oh my god.

0:27:39.680 --> 0:27:42.159
<v Speaker 3>I was like, you know what, You're absolutely right. This

0:27:42.240 --> 0:27:45.120
<v Speaker 3>is a reflection on the fact that I am not accomplished.

0:27:47.520 --> 0:27:49.880
<v Speaker 3>I have nothing but free time to do these kinds

0:27:49.920 --> 0:27:52.680
<v Speaker 3>of things, and it really shouldn't spill over into your

0:27:52.720 --> 0:27:56.200
<v Speaker 3>busy days. I'm terribly sorry. I would like to continue

0:27:56.240 --> 0:27:56.760
<v Speaker 3>working here.

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<v Speaker 2>Please accept my Oh God, and Josh, because you are you,

0:28:02.680 --> 0:28:06.560
<v Speaker 2>you will always get off like I just think. I mean,

0:28:06.600 --> 0:28:10.119
<v Speaker 2>I just even if it's by this the skin of

0:28:10.160 --> 0:28:12.399
<v Speaker 2>your teeth, you will get off. And I don't know

0:28:12.480 --> 0:28:14.360
<v Speaker 2>why or how you've made it this far.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean that would scare me enough where I don't

0:28:16.600 --> 0:28:18.800
<v Speaker 3>think I'll skate that close to the edge ever again.

0:28:18.840 --> 0:28:21.199
<v Speaker 3>Because I was thinking if I have to call my

0:28:21.240 --> 0:28:24.120
<v Speaker 3>wife and go like I lost my job as scandal

0:28:24.600 --> 0:28:28.240
<v Speaker 3>and when she says why, I say, well, think to

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<v Speaker 3>kick out of this.

0:28:30.280 --> 0:28:32.200
<v Speaker 1>Would like the golf club.

0:28:34.040 --> 0:28:36.359
<v Speaker 3>And she would have been riot, like, what's wrong with you?

0:28:36.400 --> 0:28:37.640
<v Speaker 3>Grow up? You're in your fifties.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, next question, how the fuck did you? Okay, first

0:28:42.800 --> 0:28:46.400
<v Speaker 2>of all, I know you should all over. Well, you're

0:28:46.440 --> 0:28:51.000
<v Speaker 2>really interested all over like like being you know, being

0:28:51.040 --> 0:28:55.560
<v Speaker 2>an actor and like you know you're not actorly in that.

0:28:55.760 --> 0:28:59.600
<v Speaker 2>But it's really bullshit because I do think somewhere in your.

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<v Speaker 3>Heart you Oh, I do love it. I'm not. I

0:29:02.280 --> 0:29:05.200
<v Speaker 3>watched this episode and I was like, I'm always thinking,

0:29:05.240 --> 0:29:07.320
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna think for the first time like that was

0:29:07.360 --> 0:29:09.560
<v Speaker 3>pretty good. Not watching, I was like, my voice is.

0:29:09.560 --> 0:29:15.680
<v Speaker 1>Terrible because no one else is thinking that. I guess, Josh,

0:29:15.760 --> 0:29:17.240
<v Speaker 1>you're so good.

0:29:19.120 --> 0:29:20.720
<v Speaker 3>I'm not trying to make you say.

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<v Speaker 1>We've been saying it, Yo, We've taped how many episodes

0:29:23.680 --> 0:29:26.080
<v Speaker 1>already and we are constantly saying how great you are.

0:29:26.240 --> 0:29:29.680
<v Speaker 1>And this episode doesn't even it doesn't even show the

0:29:29.720 --> 0:29:32.840
<v Speaker 1>caliber of your work. That episode when you wake up

0:29:32.840 --> 0:29:34.600
<v Speaker 1>and there's a dead woman in your bed like you were,

0:29:35.160 --> 0:29:37.880
<v Speaker 1>that was brilliant in that episode, such great.

0:29:37.640 --> 0:29:41.840
<v Speaker 2>Work wrote you like amazing. I mean, whether or not

0:29:41.880 --> 0:29:45.520
<v Speaker 2>it's to your taste. They wrote for you sex scenes

0:29:45.560 --> 0:29:49.440
<v Speaker 2>and murder and fucking jury shit and like you're a

0:29:49.480 --> 0:29:52.400
<v Speaker 2>school teacher and you're afraid and you're like you got

0:29:52.400 --> 0:29:54.800
<v Speaker 2>to do a lot of Oh.

0:29:54.920 --> 0:29:57.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, absolutely. For the first few episodes, I thought I

0:29:57.400 --> 0:29:59.280
<v Speaker 3>was on a procedural. I was like, this is where

0:29:59.320 --> 0:30:02.240
<v Speaker 3>you basically give same performance in the same character for

0:30:02.360 --> 0:30:04.680
<v Speaker 3>seven years hopefully or eight years and nine years and

0:30:04.760 --> 0:30:07.479
<v Speaker 3>nothing changes. Then like whatever. A few episodes in, I

0:30:07.520 --> 0:30:09.680
<v Speaker 3>was like what I read the script, like, which's who.

0:30:09.680 --> 0:30:10.600
<v Speaker 1>Having sex in the shop?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? I was just like, oh, this is insane. And

0:30:14.040 --> 0:30:16.120
<v Speaker 3>then a few more episodes later I'm like, oh my god,

0:30:16.240 --> 0:30:18.520
<v Speaker 3>I'm part of the insanity. There's still, by the way,

0:30:18.560 --> 0:30:20.680
<v Speaker 3>people who can't believe, like there's a woman who's been

0:30:20.720 --> 0:30:23.720
<v Speaker 3>tweeting the last couple of weeks like not another sex

0:30:23.760 --> 0:30:25.960
<v Speaker 3>scene with Josh Malina, like, Shanda, what are you doing

0:30:26.000 --> 0:30:28.560
<v Speaker 3>to me? I was like, if you think you were

0:30:28.600 --> 0:30:30.479
<v Speaker 3>surprised to be seeing me have sex in or if

0:30:30.520 --> 0:30:32.720
<v Speaker 3>you think how surprised I was to open a script

0:30:32.720 --> 0:30:32.960
<v Speaker 3>and be.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, I have it you and you and Abby. Abby

0:30:37.320 --> 0:30:41.800
<v Speaker 2>and David Rosen were like the first couple I feel

0:30:41.840 --> 0:30:44.400
<v Speaker 2>like on the show where we were like, oh my god,

0:30:44.480 --> 0:30:47.120
<v Speaker 2>these are two lead characters that were going to put

0:30:47.160 --> 0:30:49.600
<v Speaker 2>together like in a sexual scenario.

0:30:49.320 --> 0:30:50.120
<v Speaker 1>And you guys had such.

0:30:50.400 --> 0:30:51.160
<v Speaker 3>I was surprised.

0:30:51.200 --> 0:30:51.480
<v Speaker 1>You guys.

0:30:51.520 --> 0:30:53.680
<v Speaker 2>Oh, you guys were really good, but you.

0:30:53.680 --> 0:30:56.280
<v Speaker 1>Were also like that that mean big brother who would

0:30:56.280 --> 0:30:59.320
<v Speaker 1>do shit to Darby, Like on set, I remember, we'd

0:30:59.320 --> 0:31:02.440
<v Speaker 1>be rehearsing You're Opa or wherever we had a scene

0:31:02.480 --> 0:31:04.000
<v Speaker 1>and she would be holding her sides. If she was

0:31:04.000 --> 0:31:06.320
<v Speaker 1>sitting on a chair that had wheels, you would grab

0:31:06.320 --> 0:31:09.040
<v Speaker 1>her and wheel her like fifty feet away.

0:31:09.160 --> 0:31:11.400
<v Speaker 2>You did that to me all the time too, or.

0:31:11.360 --> 0:31:15.000
<v Speaker 1>You would smack her sides, like, oh josh.

0:31:14.640 --> 0:31:17.520
<v Speaker 3>There are definitely people listening now. We're laughing as if

0:31:17.520 --> 0:31:19.040
<v Speaker 3>it's great, and there are people listening now, are going

0:31:19.280 --> 0:31:23.640
<v Speaker 3>he isn't, but you're Shanda's always talking about her no

0:31:23.720 --> 0:31:26.240
<v Speaker 3>asshole policy. It's like, how did this guy?

0:31:26.560 --> 0:31:29.240
<v Speaker 2>I'm telling you, we've talked about this on this podcast.

0:31:29.280 --> 0:31:30.520
<v Speaker 2>You won't listen to it, so it doesn't matter. But

0:31:30.600 --> 0:31:33.960
<v Speaker 2>let me tell your face, no, we talk about how

0:31:34.080 --> 0:31:36.200
<v Speaker 2>fucking good you are. And my question is, I don't

0:31:36.280 --> 0:31:40.320
<v Speaker 2>understand how you're that good when you don't try and

0:31:40.400 --> 0:31:43.920
<v Speaker 2>I try so hard, And how do you memorize lines

0:31:43.920 --> 0:31:46.920
<v Speaker 2>in the makeup chair? Why does your brain work like that?

0:31:47.120 --> 0:31:49.920
<v Speaker 2>Like we just watched the episode where we're like you

0:31:49.960 --> 0:31:52.720
<v Speaker 2>sit and you have this amazing monologue where you're like, stab,

0:31:52.840 --> 0:31:55.760
<v Speaker 2>stab stab, Oh how I love to stab and it's

0:31:55.800 --> 0:31:59.440
<v Speaker 2>a whole monologue that's iron I remember that.

0:31:59.440 --> 0:32:01.640
<v Speaker 1>And Harrison like stop talking stuff talking, and you just

0:32:01.680 --> 0:32:02.720
<v Speaker 1>go on and on and on.

0:32:03.040 --> 0:32:06.480
<v Speaker 2>But like, do you never prepare or the night before

0:32:06.560 --> 0:32:08.760
<v Speaker 2>look over stuff? What's your process?

0:32:09.840 --> 0:32:12.040
<v Speaker 3>That's a good question, just becase Shanda listens to this,

0:32:12.040 --> 0:32:15.280
<v Speaker 3>I want to defend myself. I take it seriously to

0:32:15.440 --> 0:32:19.000
<v Speaker 3>on a certain level. I do try. I read a

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<v Speaker 3>script once to be like, let's see what the story is,

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<v Speaker 3>although if I'm probably honest, I read my scenes first.

0:32:26.120 --> 0:32:27.720
<v Speaker 1>I do that too, though I do that too.

0:32:27.840 --> 0:32:29.760
<v Speaker 3>Now that it's all delivered electronto being you can just

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<v Speaker 3>search Rosen, I'm like, okay, that's all my stuff. Now

0:32:33.160 --> 0:32:35.200
<v Speaker 3>let's figure out what's going on. And then when it

0:32:35.280 --> 0:32:37.120
<v Speaker 3>was scandal, I would always send the script to my

0:32:37.240 --> 0:32:39.480
<v Speaker 3>dad and then I'd be like, so explain to me

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<v Speaker 3>what's going on.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, I should have done that. Me and

0:32:42.600 --> 0:32:44.440
<v Speaker 1>Katie should have done that. Send it to your dad,

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<v Speaker 1>because sometimes we'd be like, what's happening.

0:32:46.600 --> 0:32:48.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I was like my dad and my mom are

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<v Speaker 3>like my biggest supporters, and they always watched it and

0:32:51.640 --> 0:32:53.360
<v Speaker 3>they kept track of it. I'm actually at their house

0:32:53.440 --> 0:32:55.680
<v Speaker 3>right now, and I would often say to my dad,

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<v Speaker 3>so like talk me through like plot wise, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know why am I in court? And I'm defend what

0:33:02.000 --> 0:33:04.720
<v Speaker 3>you remember in season three and you killed that?

0:33:04.880 --> 0:33:08.080
<v Speaker 2>And then so they watch everything you ever do, like

0:33:08.360 --> 0:33:10.360
<v Speaker 2>backwards and force, just because they love you and they're

0:33:10.360 --> 0:33:11.200
<v Speaker 2>so proud of you.

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<v Speaker 3>Pretty much. Yes, that's true. They're very, very supportive Jewish parents.

0:33:14.920 --> 0:33:19.240
<v Speaker 3>So I do have a very good memory for dialogue.

0:33:19.280 --> 0:33:20.920
<v Speaker 3>I don't know what I have for lunch yesterday, but

0:33:21.320 --> 0:33:23.479
<v Speaker 3>I can remember dialogue very quickly.

0:33:23.640 --> 0:33:26.880
<v Speaker 2>Has that changed since COVID or in Age?

0:33:27.320 --> 0:33:29.520
<v Speaker 3>No? I don't think so. Now and now I'm doing plays,

0:33:29.600 --> 0:33:32.200
<v Speaker 3>I realized how much I had trained myself to learn

0:33:32.280 --> 0:33:35.440
<v Speaker 3>dialogue quickly and forget it quickly. Like if I did

0:33:35.440 --> 0:33:38.400
<v Speaker 3>shot this dialogue on Monday, I knew it cold, but

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<v Speaker 3>on Tuesday.

0:33:39.800 --> 0:33:41.960
<v Speaker 2>Do you have like the Guara had that too, like

0:33:41.960 --> 0:33:44.440
<v Speaker 2>an amazing short term memory. You can plug it in

0:33:44.840 --> 0:33:46.480
<v Speaker 2>and then the next day it's talking gone.

0:33:46.560 --> 0:33:49.040
<v Speaker 1>The minute we walk off set, when that scene is done,

0:33:49.160 --> 0:33:51.760
<v Speaker 1>it's out of my brain, like it's gone, and Katie

0:33:51.760 --> 0:33:53.840
<v Speaker 1>would be like, let's try to do that scene we

0:33:53.920 --> 0:33:55.920
<v Speaker 1>did like last month, and I was like, Katie, what

0:33:55.960 --> 0:33:59.200
<v Speaker 1>are you talking about? I can't even remember when we're kidding.

0:33:59.680 --> 0:34:02.560
<v Speaker 2>I would do it for fun. I memorize long haul, though,

0:34:02.600 --> 0:34:04.760
<v Speaker 2>like I'm such a theater bitch. But okay, if you

0:34:04.800 --> 0:34:07.040
<v Speaker 2>had a big monologue on scandal, would you learn it

0:34:07.080 --> 0:34:09.400
<v Speaker 2>the night before or always in the makeup chair, like

0:34:09.440 --> 0:34:10.040
<v Speaker 2>what were you doing?

0:34:10.239 --> 0:34:13.480
<v Speaker 3>I would definitely familiarize myself with it the night before,

0:34:14.000 --> 0:34:16.680
<v Speaker 3>feeling that and not just out of laziness, but like

0:34:17.440 --> 0:34:20.560
<v Speaker 3>some some smart person once said to me, like, you

0:34:20.600 --> 0:34:24.040
<v Speaker 3>want to learn your stuff for TV, but just shy

0:34:24.120 --> 0:34:27.000
<v Speaker 3>of knowing it cold, so that it'll appear like you're

0:34:27.040 --> 0:34:29.200
<v Speaker 3>finding it a little bit, like you'll seem like a

0:34:29.280 --> 0:34:32.000
<v Speaker 3>human being. Yeah, it doesn't sound like they'd memorize something,

0:34:32.320 --> 0:34:34.560
<v Speaker 3>so I got I'm very good at finding the line

0:34:34.560 --> 0:34:36.759
<v Speaker 3>where like I got it pretty much. I'm gonna sleep

0:34:36.800 --> 0:34:38.359
<v Speaker 3>on it and to wake up and in the makeup chair,

0:34:38.400 --> 0:34:40.239
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna nail it down and I'll probably run it

0:34:40.280 --> 0:34:42.000
<v Speaker 3>with the other person who also in the makeup chair.

0:34:42.600 --> 0:34:44.799
<v Speaker 3>But I do remember one awkward day where we were

0:34:44.840 --> 0:34:46.840
<v Speaker 3>all looking at our sides and I said something like,

0:34:46.960 --> 0:34:51.760
<v Speaker 3>you know, guys, reminder, who's Christine? And everybody just slowly

0:34:51.760 --> 0:34:54.279
<v Speaker 3>looked them in. They're like, are you kidding? Like the

0:34:54.320 --> 0:34:57.040
<v Speaker 3>whole season is about this character. I don't know. I

0:34:57.040 --> 0:34:58.400
<v Speaker 3>just remember being really embarrassed.

0:34:58.440 --> 0:35:00.680
<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh, you were being so you were

0:35:00.680 --> 0:35:02.440
<v Speaker 1>like really no, I really don't know.

0:35:03.560 --> 0:35:05.200
<v Speaker 3>I was like, I don't understand the scene why we

0:35:05.280 --> 0:35:07.680
<v Speaker 3>also obsessed with the cuisine or whatever it was. And

0:35:07.719 --> 0:35:09.680
<v Speaker 3>they were just like, what is wrong with you? I

0:35:09.800 --> 0:35:10.440
<v Speaker 3>was embarrassing.

0:35:10.760 --> 0:35:13.480
<v Speaker 2>Wait do you ever think about like what do I

0:35:13.600 --> 0:35:15.800
<v Speaker 2>want in the scene or what's my moment before or anything?

0:35:15.880 --> 0:35:16.000
<v Speaker 1>No?

0:35:16.120 --> 0:35:18.279
<v Speaker 2>Right, Like you just I just think you have that

0:35:18.360 --> 0:35:20.879
<v Speaker 2>same actor chip in your brain. Like it's like you're

0:35:20.960 --> 0:35:24.320
<v Speaker 2>really good at text obviously between Sorkin and this show,

0:35:24.400 --> 0:35:26.839
<v Speaker 2>like text is not an issue for you, and you're

0:35:27.520 --> 0:35:30.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm telling you, Josh, your work in these two seasons.

0:35:30.520 --> 0:35:34.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm so jealous because I know you're not right like

0:35:34.680 --> 0:35:37.520
<v Speaker 2>my action or my objective or my like you know,

0:35:37.800 --> 0:35:41.240
<v Speaker 2>thinking about beats or shifts. You know, you're just there.

0:35:41.920 --> 0:35:44.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I feel like I have a good instinct for it.

0:35:44.840 --> 0:35:47.520
<v Speaker 3>But the truth is what usually when I watch my work.

0:35:47.560 --> 0:35:50.960
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, you were fine. I'm not. I'm not usually

0:35:51.000 --> 0:35:55.560
<v Speaker 3>like us, like I'm horribly insecure. But maybe if I

0:35:55.600 --> 0:35:57.719
<v Speaker 3>did some of those things you're saying, I'd be better

0:35:57.760 --> 0:35:57.960
<v Speaker 3>than that.

0:35:59.040 --> 0:36:01.839
<v Speaker 1>Maybe I know that's what makes you so good. That's

0:36:01.880 --> 0:36:03.000
<v Speaker 1>not part of your process.

0:36:03.280 --> 0:36:05.480
<v Speaker 2>Do you think that is? Like, I think there's some

0:36:05.640 --> 0:36:10.279
<v Speaker 2>effortlessness to something that's so difficult, you making it look

0:36:10.360 --> 0:36:14.160
<v Speaker 2>like it's so fucking easy. This is for ladies and gentlemen.

0:36:14.680 --> 0:36:18.120
<v Speaker 2>Josh Milina is about to be starring back on Broadway.

0:36:18.200 --> 0:36:20.680
<v Speaker 2>He's been on Broadway before. If you can catch him,

0:36:20.719 --> 0:36:24.160
<v Speaker 2>you should. In Leopoltstad, written by the one and only

0:36:24.200 --> 0:36:27.879
<v Speaker 2>fucking Tom Stoppard, I already have my tickets. I'm going

0:36:27.960 --> 0:36:30.719
<v Speaker 2>June tenth with eight family members.

0:36:30.840 --> 0:36:32.799
<v Speaker 1>Katie, I want to go, come.

0:36:32.520 --> 0:36:36.280
<v Speaker 2>With me June eighth. I'm going to see any gladiators listening.

0:36:36.640 --> 0:36:39.560
<v Speaker 2>Do come June eighth. I will be at Leopoltstad's screaming

0:36:39.600 --> 0:36:43.239
<v Speaker 2>and probably crying. It's that script is remarkable.

0:36:43.400 --> 0:36:46.440
<v Speaker 3>It's amazing he's write and I was seventeen, almost eighteen,

0:36:46.840 --> 0:36:50.320
<v Speaker 3>and my dad's best friend was and still is Manny Aisenberg.

0:36:50.400 --> 0:36:53.960
<v Speaker 3>This famous amazing producer who produced Tom Stoppbards is the

0:36:53.960 --> 0:36:56.480
<v Speaker 3>real thing on Broadway. So I got invited to Opening Night,

0:36:56.600 --> 0:36:58.000
<v Speaker 3>and as a seventeen year old, I was assuming that

0:36:58.080 --> 0:37:00.680
<v Speaker 3>I was just like the writing, like my mind, his

0:37:00.719 --> 0:37:04.439
<v Speaker 3>writing is unreal. And now literally forty years later, yes,

0:37:05.440 --> 0:37:06.400
<v Speaker 3>I can't believe him.

0:37:06.640 --> 0:37:08.680
<v Speaker 2>See, this is why people keep you around.

0:37:08.800 --> 0:37:11.600
<v Speaker 1>Really quickly. Since we're talking about some pass work, I'm

0:37:11.600 --> 0:37:14.200
<v Speaker 1>gonna rattle off some of Josh's credits. Give it because

0:37:14.680 --> 0:37:17.319
<v Speaker 1>I live it this up and I was like, oh

0:37:17.360 --> 0:37:19.880
<v Speaker 1>my god, Like, there's so much and so much epic

0:37:19.920 --> 0:37:22.920
<v Speaker 1>projects that he's done. A few good men, the American President,

0:37:22.960 --> 0:37:25.960
<v Speaker 1>Tracy takes on clock Watchers with my buddy Parker Posey,

0:37:26.160 --> 0:37:30.120
<v Speaker 1>the Larry Sanders Show, Sports Night, The West Wing, Stargate,

0:37:30.360 --> 0:37:34.120
<v Speaker 1>Grey's Anatomy, I Carly and my favorite Big Bank theory

0:37:34.200 --> 0:37:36.680
<v Speaker 1>of course. But I'm also like a huge horror film fan.

0:37:36.719 --> 0:37:38.080
<v Speaker 1>And you haven't been in a harror film, but you

0:37:38.120 --> 0:37:42.440
<v Speaker 1>were in a thriller called Malice that Aaron Sorkin I

0:37:42.760 --> 0:37:43.480
<v Speaker 1>also wrote.

0:37:43.520 --> 0:37:47.760
<v Speaker 3>Correct, Yes, but I was in one horror movie comedy

0:37:47.800 --> 0:37:51.800
<v Speaker 3>called The Knights of Badass. Oh, and I think Steve

0:37:51.880 --> 0:37:54.640
<v Speaker 3>Zahn was in it. Peter Dinklice. It was comedy horror

0:37:54.680 --> 0:37:57.120
<v Speaker 3>about a bunch of Larper's live action role players.

0:37:57.280 --> 0:37:58.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna watch it.

0:37:58.080 --> 0:38:02.719
<v Speaker 2>Tonight and I'm coming over and I'm getting stoned and

0:38:02.760 --> 0:38:03.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm watching it with you.

0:38:04.400 --> 0:38:07.239
<v Speaker 3>Yes, it was low budget to begin with, and then

0:38:07.480 --> 0:38:11.200
<v Speaker 3>they didn't get the full effects. But there's I know

0:38:11.280 --> 0:38:14.239
<v Speaker 3>the director is not happy with how it turned out,

0:38:14.280 --> 0:38:18.359
<v Speaker 3>and I spoiler alert, have my jaw ripped off as

0:38:18.440 --> 0:38:21.719
<v Speaker 3>I'm being pilated by a wood d well.

0:38:22.200 --> 0:38:24.960
<v Speaker 1>Listen. I went out Amazon Prime and I bought Malice

0:38:24.960 --> 0:38:26.560
<v Speaker 1>because I wanted to watch it. When I looked up

0:38:26.560 --> 0:38:31.400
<v Speaker 1>your credit, Josh plays this really cute like resident doctor

0:38:31.480 --> 0:38:34.880
<v Speaker 1>or nurse who comes out and speaks to Bill Pullman.

0:38:35.480 --> 0:38:38.680
<v Speaker 1>But it's a really fun like old school like eighties

0:38:38.719 --> 0:38:39.480
<v Speaker 1>thriller movie.

0:38:39.600 --> 0:38:42.680
<v Speaker 3>Well the funny. Patrick Marber, the director, when he was

0:38:42.680 --> 0:38:45.200
<v Speaker 3>talking to me about potentially doing the role, said, and

0:38:45.320 --> 0:38:47.720
<v Speaker 3>you know, it takes place in Vienna, but we've toyed

0:38:47.719 --> 0:38:49.799
<v Speaker 3>with doing Viennie as or German and we didn't do that.

0:38:49.920 --> 0:38:52.160
<v Speaker 3>And it opened in London, so you know, he said,

0:38:52.200 --> 0:38:55.640
<v Speaker 3>you don't have to sound British, but you can't sound America?

0:38:56.560 --> 0:39:01.880
<v Speaker 3>Can I do in Mexican like everyone is sounding.

0:39:02.560 --> 0:39:05.400
<v Speaker 2>So you're not even doing like heightened American, like like

0:39:05.440 --> 0:39:06.640
<v Speaker 2>the Gilded Age or something.

0:39:07.000 --> 0:39:09.400
<v Speaker 3>No, it's pretty fifty years ago. You couldn't get a

0:39:09.400 --> 0:39:11.080
<v Speaker 3>foot in, you couldn't travel with a.

0:39:12.000 --> 0:39:14.080
<v Speaker 1>That's really good, Josh, it's really good.

0:39:14.239 --> 0:39:14.840
<v Speaker 3>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>We will be back with more after the break now

0:39:23.440 --> 0:39:25.840
<v Speaker 2>that I'm trying to jog my memory about like David

0:39:25.920 --> 0:39:29.120
<v Speaker 2>Rosen's journey. Okay, so you auditioned for the role. Yes,

0:39:29.239 --> 0:39:32.200
<v Speaker 2>Shanda was into you. You went, got called to the

0:39:32.200 --> 0:39:36.040
<v Speaker 2>principal's office a few times. You had love interests with

0:39:36.280 --> 0:39:41.120
<v Speaker 2>Abby Portia and were you also with Artemis.

0:39:41.320 --> 0:39:44.640
<v Speaker 3>Yes, Artemists is lovely a Susan.

0:39:44.800 --> 0:39:47.680
<v Speaker 2>Oh and Zoey Perry.

0:39:47.480 --> 0:39:52.560
<v Speaker 3>And Zoe Perry and off camera didn't came. But dirty,

0:39:52.600 --> 0:39:56.720
<v Speaker 3>dirty Susie whatever her name is, Susie with.

0:39:55.520 --> 0:40:00.239
<v Speaker 2>The we didn't. When we have Shaanda back on, got

0:40:00.239 --> 0:40:02.640
<v Speaker 2>to ask her like, I don't think there's a single

0:40:02.760 --> 0:40:07.160
<v Speaker 2>character on our show that went through that many lives,

0:40:08.040 --> 0:40:09.240
<v Speaker 2>Like what's that about?

0:40:09.880 --> 0:40:12.440
<v Speaker 3>For sure? That is just Seana going. I can do

0:40:12.520 --> 0:40:16.000
<v Speaker 3>anything on television. I can take the least attractive oldest

0:40:16.040 --> 0:40:18.480
<v Speaker 3>member of my past and have him have more sense

0:40:18.520 --> 0:40:21.759
<v Speaker 3>than I'm telling you. That's exactly what it is.

0:40:21.960 --> 0:40:26.080
<v Speaker 1>You were successfully pranked by us and the Jimmy Kimmel Show.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember in this episode.

0:40:29.840 --> 0:40:32.879
<v Speaker 2>Yes, Kimmel is in an episode two one, that's right,

0:40:33.080 --> 0:40:36.560
<v Speaker 2>and he's interviewing the Congressman Jacob Shaw, who's the case

0:40:36.600 --> 0:40:40.880
<v Speaker 2>of the Wei And we love Kimmel, but he approached us,

0:40:41.120 --> 0:40:42.960
<v Speaker 2>like by the end of Scandal, they were like, we

0:40:43.000 --> 0:40:46.040
<v Speaker 2>want to get Josh, and they spent so much money

0:40:46.040 --> 0:40:46.840
<v Speaker 2>on this prank.

0:40:46.719 --> 0:40:49.839
<v Speaker 3>Like, well, first of all, I had had an idea

0:40:49.880 --> 0:40:53.239
<v Speaker 3>and I remember pitching our pr people like Bachelor has

0:40:53.280 --> 0:40:55.520
<v Speaker 3>all these watch parties, and the Bachelor people show up,

0:40:55.640 --> 0:40:58.080
<v Speaker 3>you're surprised and they love it, like everybody's having their

0:40:58.120 --> 0:41:00.799
<v Speaker 3>wine and popcorn Scandal watching part parties. Why don't we

0:41:00.960 --> 0:41:03.040
<v Speaker 3>like surprise a few people and like maybe it's a

0:41:03.080 --> 0:41:05.279
<v Speaker 3>nice way to go out with the final season. And

0:41:05.320 --> 0:41:08.000
<v Speaker 3>they did it through Good Morning America and Tony was

0:41:08.040 --> 0:41:10.520
<v Speaker 3>the first and this was all part of the parts. Yeah.

0:41:10.520 --> 0:41:12.480
<v Speaker 3>Then they were like, Josh, you have to do one

0:41:12.480 --> 0:41:14.719
<v Speaker 3>of these. And I actually really didn't watch, like I

0:41:14.719 --> 0:41:15.680
<v Speaker 3>don't want to do it.

0:41:15.560 --> 0:41:18.600
<v Speaker 2>But it really speaks to your heart, which is as

0:41:18.680 --> 0:41:20.800
<v Speaker 2>much as Josh, Willie is a prankster, smartest person in

0:41:20.840 --> 0:41:24.000
<v Speaker 2>the room, keeps his life interesting by like really pushing

0:41:24.000 --> 0:41:28.800
<v Speaker 2>boundaries with people. But Josh, you with fans is ridiculous,

0:41:28.920 --> 0:41:32.600
<v Speaker 2>Like you give them all the time in the world.

0:41:32.800 --> 0:41:35.040
<v Speaker 3>You're nice to say. I mean, I you're very nice

0:41:35.080 --> 0:41:36.880
<v Speaker 3>to say that, and I know it comes from like

0:41:36.920 --> 0:41:39.759
<v Speaker 3>I can't believe anybody's having to see me, so I'm

0:41:39.800 --> 0:41:42.000
<v Speaker 3>like got to keep your fans happy, like so you're

0:41:42.040 --> 0:41:44.719
<v Speaker 3>keep in business, and like also just appreciation for people

0:41:44.760 --> 0:41:48.960
<v Speaker 3>who are appreciating you, Like Scandal fans are the best I

0:41:49.000 --> 0:41:49.520
<v Speaker 3>did enjoy.

0:41:49.640 --> 0:41:52.520
<v Speaker 2>So the prank was about them asking you to show

0:41:52.640 --> 0:41:55.759
<v Speaker 2>at the end of this run. You know, they asked

0:41:55.840 --> 0:41:57.960
<v Speaker 2>me and Josh to come to a Scandal Rocks watch

0:41:58.000 --> 0:41:59.880
<v Speaker 2>party and they we knew they would be watching Scandal

0:41:59.880 --> 0:42:02.040
<v Speaker 2>and we would walk in and it was up to

0:42:02.120 --> 0:42:05.680
<v Speaker 2>me to convince Josh that he should use a confetti

0:42:05.760 --> 0:42:09.080
<v Speaker 2>blower thing. And when we come in, oh god, one

0:42:09.080 --> 0:42:10.960
<v Speaker 2>of those guns a Convetti cannon.

0:42:11.160 --> 0:42:13.600
<v Speaker 3>I remember, we go in there watching Scandal, can see

0:42:13.840 --> 0:42:16.400
<v Speaker 3>and we pop in with our with our cameras. Boom,

0:42:16.440 --> 0:42:20.239
<v Speaker 3>I pulled the competitia and like everyone's laughing and having fun.

0:42:20.280 --> 0:42:22.680
<v Speaker 3>And then I see the mom in her chair like

0:42:23.360 --> 0:42:26.160
<v Speaker 3>it seemed really startled by the confetti cannon.

0:42:25.960 --> 0:42:27.600
<v Speaker 1>Clutching her chest hard.

0:42:27.440 --> 0:42:30.080
<v Speaker 3>For this and she's actually clutching her chest, and I'm

0:42:30.080 --> 0:42:31.960
<v Speaker 3>starting to think, like, oh that was this is bad.

0:42:32.000 --> 0:42:34.960
<v Speaker 3>We really we really scared this woman. Then I'm like, oh, no,

0:42:35.120 --> 0:42:39.919
<v Speaker 3>she's an Actually she's in medical discomfort. And I will

0:42:39.960 --> 0:42:42.520
<v Speaker 3>admit I was nice enough to like I definitely went

0:42:42.600 --> 0:42:44.200
<v Speaker 3>over and I think I held her hand and I

0:42:44.280 --> 0:42:46.279
<v Speaker 3>was trying to calm it down. The one thing I

0:42:46.280 --> 0:42:48.239
<v Speaker 3>did is also cover my ass because I'm thinking that

0:42:48.320 --> 0:42:50.719
<v Speaker 3>if she died, did I kill her? Is this like

0:42:50.760 --> 0:42:53.879
<v Speaker 3>second agreement in voluntary man slater? And you can see

0:42:53.880 --> 0:42:56.840
<v Speaker 3>me in the actual video of the press only.

0:42:56.719 --> 0:43:02.480
<v Speaker 2>Being quiet because I.

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<v Speaker 3>Can't no I'm saying, and I say to her something

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<v Speaker 3>like they handed me the thing or it wasn't my

0:43:07.680 --> 0:43:11.680
<v Speaker 3>I'm not going down, like I'm trying to lay down

0:43:11.719 --> 0:43:14.200
<v Speaker 3>my legal case for when And then next thing I know,

0:43:14.360 --> 0:43:19.799
<v Speaker 3>I hear I hear a siren like an ambulance has

0:43:19.840 --> 0:43:22.440
<v Speaker 3>been called, and I'm like, oh my god, this is

0:43:22.480 --> 0:43:26.000
<v Speaker 3>actually happening, and the paramedics burst through with the cot

0:43:26.360 --> 0:43:28.799
<v Speaker 3>but one of the paramedics is Jimmy Kimmel, and my

0:43:28.840 --> 0:43:33.960
<v Speaker 3>mind is like what's going on? And I'm like, wow,

0:43:34.000 --> 0:43:36.360
<v Speaker 3>you got me so bad. They throw me into this stretcher.

0:43:36.440 --> 0:43:38.759
<v Speaker 3>I'm deeply embarrassed, but also husually really that I didn't

0:43:38.800 --> 0:43:41.880
<v Speaker 3>kill this woman. And they wheel me outside, and unbeknownst

0:43:41.880 --> 0:43:43.680
<v Speaker 3>to me, they were concerned that I would not fall

0:43:43.719 --> 0:43:47.480
<v Speaker 3>for it, and they wanted to backup freaking prank. So

0:43:47.560 --> 0:43:51.319
<v Speaker 3>there's a fire engine in the driveway and I get

0:43:51.800 --> 0:43:57.040
<v Speaker 3>sit up and they blast me with those from.

0:43:55.640 --> 0:43:59.759
<v Speaker 2>Like what oh, yeah, they blasted him with a fire

0:43:59.800 --> 0:44:02.719
<v Speaker 2>hole the old lady actress. I had been there all

0:44:02.800 --> 0:44:06.440
<v Speaker 2>day rehearsing for like three hours, like different ways the

0:44:06.520 --> 0:44:09.080
<v Speaker 2>scene could go. I have never done a prank in

0:44:09.120 --> 0:44:12.960
<v Speaker 2>my entire life. I am so wildly uncomfortable with making

0:44:13.000 --> 0:44:17.719
<v Speaker 2>people upset or feel bad or like pranking to me

0:44:17.960 --> 0:44:19.080
<v Speaker 2>is like I'm.

0:44:19.000 --> 0:44:20.960
<v Speaker 1>One of those people that gives it up right away.

0:44:21.000 --> 0:44:24.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I'm just kidding, this is we're just joking.

0:44:25.200 --> 0:44:28.799
<v Speaker 2>So then I remember the garage door slowly opening and

0:44:28.800 --> 0:44:32.480
<v Speaker 2>there's like video village is in there, and we all

0:44:32.520 --> 0:44:35.080
<v Speaker 2>have earbuds in like all the actors in a scene

0:44:35.120 --> 0:44:37.279
<v Speaker 2>the older woman who pretend to have a heart attack me,

0:44:37.480 --> 0:44:40.080
<v Speaker 2>we had earbuds in case. The director was like, oh, I.

0:44:40.040 --> 0:44:40.880
<v Speaker 3>Never even thought about that.

0:44:41.000 --> 0:44:43.560
<v Speaker 2>Oh, it was insane. They spent like a billion dollars.

0:44:43.600 --> 0:44:46.279
<v Speaker 2>It was insane. And also I remember before we did

0:44:46.280 --> 0:44:48.560
<v Speaker 2>it are publicist. I think it was Chris Anderson at

0:44:48.560 --> 0:44:50.600
<v Speaker 2>the time calling me and saying, do you know if

0:44:50.719 --> 0:44:53.000
<v Speaker 2>Josh has ever had a heart attack or if someone

0:44:53.120 --> 0:44:57.080
<v Speaker 2>recently that he loves has had a heart attack, Because

0:44:57.440 --> 0:45:00.080
<v Speaker 2>we want to do this, but we also like, I

0:45:00.239 --> 0:45:02.759
<v Speaker 2>don't want it to go horribly awry in case it

0:45:03.200 --> 0:45:05.640
<v Speaker 2>like God, we don't know, like maybe his aunt or

0:45:05.680 --> 0:45:07.520
<v Speaker 2>someone just had a heart attack and he's just gonna

0:45:07.520 --> 0:45:09.480
<v Speaker 2>be that's actually very still unwell.

0:45:10.040 --> 0:45:12.359
<v Speaker 3>And I remember thinking afterwards I wish I had been

0:45:12.400 --> 0:45:13.920
<v Speaker 3>on to what they were doing. If I had figured

0:45:13.960 --> 0:45:16.000
<v Speaker 3>it out, I could have then pretended myself to have

0:45:16.040 --> 0:45:17.719
<v Speaker 3>a heart attack and see if I could flip.

0:45:19.920 --> 0:45:21.640
<v Speaker 2>Survived it. I would not have.

0:45:23.360 --> 0:45:24.800
<v Speaker 1>The best Oh.

0:45:26.080 --> 0:45:28.759
<v Speaker 3>Ever, but unfortunately it turns out that the fact that

0:45:28.800 --> 0:45:32.280
<v Speaker 3>you do practical jokes and pranks for thirty years doesn't

0:45:32.320 --> 0:45:34.760
<v Speaker 3>mean that you're any less galible than anybody else. Because

0:45:34.880 --> 0:45:39.160
<v Speaker 3>I felt for it completely. I remember actually texting Kimmel

0:45:39.200 --> 0:45:41.120
<v Speaker 3>when I was going to bed that night and I

0:45:41.160 --> 0:45:43.400
<v Speaker 3>was like, well done, and he rubbed back me like

0:45:43.680 --> 0:45:45.719
<v Speaker 3>was that real? Did you really fall for that? Like

0:45:46.040 --> 0:45:48.120
<v Speaker 3>he actually almost couldn't leave it. I was like, dude,

0:45:48.280 --> 0:45:51.200
<v Speaker 3>that was one hundred percent, But how.

0:45:51.080 --> 0:45:53.320
<v Speaker 2>Could you not? That wasn't just like a run of

0:45:53.360 --> 0:45:55.960
<v Speaker 2>the mill fucking thing. I mean that was like actors

0:45:55.960 --> 0:45:56.520
<v Speaker 2>who would.

0:45:56.400 --> 0:45:58.760
<v Speaker 3>Rehearse if we were doing the drop in for Kimmel's

0:45:58.880 --> 0:46:02.680
<v Speaker 3>you would have known America. My mind was prank, but

0:46:02.800 --> 0:46:06.840
<v Speaker 3>I don't think good morning America. Nothing occurred.

0:46:06.880 --> 0:46:09.200
<v Speaker 1>I lovely you have Kimmel's phone number. Fucking Katie has

0:46:09.200 --> 0:46:10.360
<v Speaker 1>Seanda Rhyme's phone.

0:46:10.239 --> 0:46:16.279
<v Speaker 2>Number, Kim's phone number, his number? Wait really quickly about

0:46:16.280 --> 0:46:19.120
<v Speaker 2>this episode? What was the parts you watched last night

0:46:19.280 --> 0:46:26.040
<v Speaker 2>that you thought you were uh yeah.

0:46:24.680 --> 0:46:28.000
<v Speaker 3>In the courtroom. I have memories of shooting this episode

0:46:28.520 --> 0:46:29.960
<v Speaker 3>because it was a lot of me, and it was

0:46:30.000 --> 0:46:32.360
<v Speaker 3>a lot of a lot of people sitting well, I

0:46:32.440 --> 0:46:36.360
<v Speaker 3>strut around doing things, and part of it was literally vocally,

0:46:36.400 --> 0:46:38.040
<v Speaker 3>I was like, I don't sound like you want to

0:46:38.160 --> 0:46:40.840
<v Speaker 3>you know when you're like and isn't it true you

0:46:40.880 --> 0:46:44.440
<v Speaker 3>want to be one of those you say, what the hell?

0:46:44.600 --> 0:46:47.239
<v Speaker 2>You keep saying what the hell when they let Quinn

0:46:47.280 --> 0:46:49.240
<v Speaker 2>in this episode to jog all of your listener's memory.

0:46:49.239 --> 0:46:51.000
<v Speaker 2>This is the episode where who was Quinn Perkins? Who

0:46:51.000 --> 0:46:53.239
<v Speaker 2>was Quinn Perkins? But wait, okay, so you thought your

0:46:53.239 --> 0:46:55.440
<v Speaker 2>acting was bad? You say what the hell a lot?

0:46:55.880 --> 0:46:57.880
<v Speaker 2>What did you feel like when you read this script?

0:46:57.960 --> 0:47:00.799
<v Speaker 2>Not about this episode where Darby to put her hand

0:47:00.800 --> 0:47:02.959
<v Speaker 2>in your mouth or you're something like that.

0:47:03.160 --> 0:47:05.960
<v Speaker 3>I felt very similarly to the way I felt when

0:47:06.000 --> 0:47:07.759
<v Speaker 3>I finally watched it. I was like, I don't know

0:47:07.800 --> 0:47:12.160
<v Speaker 3>what's going on? Is this supposed to be sexy? Is

0:47:12.200 --> 0:47:18.640
<v Speaker 3>this some sort of BDSM? Is this horrible hot? I

0:47:18.680 --> 0:47:20.600
<v Speaker 3>read it, we shot it, I watched it, and I

0:47:20.680 --> 0:47:23.040
<v Speaker 3>still never figured out what it was.

0:47:23.200 --> 0:47:28.279
<v Speaker 2>Josh, I can't okay, wait wait wait wait, there's more.

0:47:28.280 --> 0:47:30.160
<v Speaker 2>There's more, this more, okay. This is the first episode

0:47:30.200 --> 0:47:32.960
<v Speaker 2>that marked both bellmy Young and Josh Molina a series regulars.

0:47:33.040 --> 0:47:35.080
<v Speaker 2>You guys went to Yale, but not at the same time.

0:47:35.680 --> 0:47:38.680
<v Speaker 3>She is younger than I, so she she knew who

0:47:38.680 --> 0:47:39.040
<v Speaker 3>I was.

0:47:39.280 --> 0:47:40.160
<v Speaker 2>She did not?

0:47:40.800 --> 0:47:43.400
<v Speaker 3>She did no, I think, because I think we were

0:47:43.440 --> 0:47:46.319
<v Speaker 3>actually maybe in guys and dollars together. The idea that

0:47:46.360 --> 0:47:47.920
<v Speaker 3>she may have had a smaller role or been in

0:47:47.960 --> 0:47:50.200
<v Speaker 3>the ensemble and I had to lead. It's funny because

0:47:50.239 --> 0:47:51.919
<v Speaker 3>I can't sing and she has a beautiful voice.

0:47:52.360 --> 0:47:55.400
<v Speaker 1>Did you do a ton of plays in college? Josh,

0:47:55.520 --> 0:47:55.799
<v Speaker 1>I did.

0:47:55.880 --> 0:47:58.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm an undergraduate theater Saudi's major. Every now and

0:47:58.440 --> 0:48:00.520
<v Speaker 3>then people think like, oh, you went to Yale drama school.

0:48:00.520 --> 0:48:02.839
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, no, I went to the other one and

0:48:03.040 --> 0:48:05.239
<v Speaker 3>was a drama mate. I went to the not because

0:48:05.280 --> 0:48:07.440
<v Speaker 3>they just drama school, but I knew I wanted to

0:48:07.480 --> 0:48:09.880
<v Speaker 3>be an acro already, and my parents were like, for

0:48:09.920 --> 0:48:12.320
<v Speaker 3>the love of God, get a college degree.

0:48:12.360 --> 0:48:16.440
<v Speaker 2>Also, what it was your degree in intert It's.

0:48:16.239 --> 0:48:18.600
<v Speaker 3>Not like it didn't help me at all with acting

0:48:18.640 --> 0:48:20.919
<v Speaker 3>and wouldn't have helped me in anything else.

0:48:21.040 --> 0:48:23.080
<v Speaker 1>Do you remember what the first play was that you did?

0:48:23.080 --> 0:48:27.840
<v Speaker 3>There, I do? I did. Christopher Durang's sister, Mary Ignatius

0:48:27.840 --> 0:48:28.480
<v Speaker 3>explains it all.

0:48:28.600 --> 0:48:29.040
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

0:48:29.440 --> 0:48:32.960
<v Speaker 2>Do you have any memories from the first two seasons

0:48:32.960 --> 0:48:35.160
<v Speaker 2>that stick out? Do you have any memories from the pilot?

0:48:35.880 --> 0:48:40.520
<v Speaker 3>I remember shooting those scenes at the door with Kerry

0:48:40.600 --> 0:48:43.400
<v Speaker 3>and seen in a bar with Kerry. Most of my

0:48:43.440 --> 0:48:46.520
<v Speaker 3>stuff was with Kerry, and I just remember liking her

0:48:46.560 --> 0:48:50.160
<v Speaker 3>a lot, like like I just remember vibing like she's

0:48:50.200 --> 0:48:52.479
<v Speaker 3>cool first of all, Like whenever the number one person

0:48:52.520 --> 0:48:55.000
<v Speaker 3>on the call tot is cool, it's like, yeah, this

0:48:55.040 --> 0:48:56.160
<v Speaker 3>is a very good sign.

0:48:56.360 --> 0:48:58.640
<v Speaker 2>Did you feel like at the end of season one,

0:48:58.640 --> 0:49:00.600
<v Speaker 2>like we're definitely going to get a season too. Did

0:49:00.640 --> 0:49:02.160
<v Speaker 2>you feel like it would have was going to be

0:49:02.160 --> 0:49:04.680
<v Speaker 2>one hundred and twenty four episode's show.

0:49:05.280 --> 0:49:08.600
<v Speaker 3>I just remember early on thinking it was a procedural approach,

0:49:08.960 --> 0:49:10.680
<v Speaker 3>and procedurals, if they hit.

0:49:10.719 --> 0:49:11.759
<v Speaker 1>They last a long time.

0:49:11.800 --> 0:49:13.919
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they last a long time, and they're they they're

0:49:13.920 --> 0:49:15.840
<v Speaker 3>worth a lot in syndication because you can play them

0:49:15.880 --> 0:49:18.520
<v Speaker 3>in any order and it doesn't matter, and people can

0:49:18.560 --> 0:49:20.359
<v Speaker 3>pop in and watch a rerun or whatever. And then

0:49:20.360 --> 0:49:23.200
<v Speaker 3>once it started turning into this insane show that was

0:49:23.239 --> 0:49:25.399
<v Speaker 3>burning through plot, I was like, oh my god, this

0:49:25.520 --> 0:49:28.719
<v Speaker 3>episode has as much plot as a full season of

0:49:28.760 --> 0:49:32.080
<v Speaker 3>another show Like this cannot sustain. So I started getting nervous.

0:49:32.080 --> 0:49:34.080
<v Speaker 3>Even as the show is getting better and more interesting

0:49:34.080 --> 0:49:36.440
<v Speaker 3>and crazy and it was fun, I was like, this

0:49:36.480 --> 0:49:38.240
<v Speaker 3>is gonna this might be a death sentence.

0:49:38.320 --> 0:49:41.760
<v Speaker 2>We'd already shot the president by like the thirteenth episode

0:49:41.760 --> 0:49:42.960
<v Speaker 2>in and it's like, what the fuck are we gonna do?

0:49:43.280 --> 0:49:47.560
<v Speaker 3>No, exactly, I underestimated the fiendish creative mind of Shanda

0:49:47.600 --> 0:49:51.200
<v Speaker 3>Rhimes and her writers because like they never had any

0:49:51.239 --> 0:49:54.319
<v Speaker 3>problem coming up with seven plots per episode that were

0:49:54.400 --> 0:49:57.440
<v Speaker 3>completely insane and like, oh, they can keep this running

0:49:57.440 --> 0:49:59.239
<v Speaker 3>as long as they want, like this is why I'm

0:49:59.239 --> 0:50:01.400
<v Speaker 3>not a writer and they But then I also remember

0:50:01.520 --> 0:50:04.319
<v Speaker 3>when it was like taking off on Twitter and I

0:50:04.360 --> 0:50:07.040
<v Speaker 3>was like again literally like butterflies in my stomach, like

0:50:07.239 --> 0:50:09.920
<v Speaker 3>I think this may be turning into a thing, like

0:50:10.320 --> 0:50:12.800
<v Speaker 3>everybody's talking about it and people are stopping me in

0:50:12.840 --> 0:50:14.880
<v Speaker 3>the street, Like it really was a fun ride with

0:50:14.920 --> 0:50:18.719
<v Speaker 3>an incredible group of people, like to get one of

0:50:18.760 --> 0:50:21.080
<v Speaker 3>those in the careers, like more than you can hope for.

0:50:21.320 --> 0:50:23.360
<v Speaker 1>I remember thinking, is this gonna be like a Grays

0:50:23.400 --> 0:50:26.560
<v Speaker 1>and Atomy situation? Like are we gonna go for like twelve

0:50:26.680 --> 0:50:30.719
<v Speaker 1>thirteen seasons? And then you know, obviously Shanda knew there

0:50:30.719 --> 0:50:32.279
<v Speaker 1>was a beginning of the middle and an end to

0:50:32.360 --> 0:50:34.400
<v Speaker 1>the to the show, and she let us know that

0:50:34.400 --> 0:50:36.640
<v Speaker 1>it was ending. But I think we were all so bummed,

0:50:36.719 --> 0:50:39.160
<v Speaker 1>right because the network wanted us to keep going. I

0:50:39.200 --> 0:50:40.719
<v Speaker 1>was like, wait, what I know.

0:50:40.800 --> 0:50:43.280
<v Speaker 3>I was definitely. I even remember as Shonda was telling

0:50:43.360 --> 0:50:46.520
<v Speaker 3>us in the conference call, like that she's ending it.

0:50:46.600 --> 0:50:48.400
<v Speaker 3>I was text neighbor and we're like, god.

0:50:48.320 --> 0:50:55.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you were texting me like oh yeah, like how

0:50:55.640 --> 0:50:58.319
<v Speaker 2>could you we have the white whale, we have the

0:50:58.440 --> 0:51:02.520
<v Speaker 2>fucking white hat. Yeah, You're the best. I'm so excited

0:51:02.600 --> 0:51:04.839
<v Speaker 2>to see you and leopoldstadd Yeah, this was.

0:51:04.800 --> 0:51:06.560
<v Speaker 3>So much fun. I realized how much I miss you.

0:51:06.840 --> 0:51:08.640
<v Speaker 3>When I don't see you, I don't miss you at all.

0:51:08.920 --> 0:51:11.759
<v Speaker 3>But now that I'm seeing you, I really I was like, oh,

0:51:12.120 --> 0:51:14.680
<v Speaker 3>I do like them more than I realized. To our gladiators,

0:51:14.760 --> 0:51:16.879
<v Speaker 3>I haven't earned a dime since the show went off there,

0:51:16.960 --> 0:51:20.000
<v Speaker 3>but thank you for that brief window in my life

0:51:20.280 --> 0:51:22.160
<v Speaker 3>when I didn't have to worry about money for like

0:51:22.200 --> 0:51:25.000
<v Speaker 3>five years. It's awesome. It's all because of you, guys.

0:51:25.080 --> 0:51:26.040
<v Speaker 1>Josh, you are the best.

0:51:26.200 --> 0:51:26.920
<v Speaker 2>We love you.

0:51:27.160 --> 0:51:27.800
<v Speaker 3>Love you, guys.

0:51:27.920 --> 0:51:30.200
<v Speaker 2>Tell George we love him and we'll be bugging him asap.

0:51:30.360 --> 0:51:31.879
<v Speaker 3>I'll tell him he's not on the show.

0:51:33.239 --> 0:51:40.720
<v Speaker 2>Tweeted, tweety tweeted, lidd tweet tweet, tweet, tweet tweet tweet.

0:51:42.960 --> 0:51:45.560
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, people were fucking pumped from these tweets

0:51:45.600 --> 0:51:48.800
<v Speaker 2>because this was the fucking season two premiere at ABC.

0:51:48.960 --> 0:51:51.960
<v Speaker 2>Scandal fans tweeted so ready for at Scandal babyc premiere

0:51:52.000 --> 0:51:56.000
<v Speaker 2>hashtag one minute, don't hate hashtag ask Scandal.

0:51:55.880 --> 0:52:02.240
<v Speaker 1>And Lisa Belenoir tweeted homemade coconut shrimp hashtag I'm fancy

0:52:02.280 --> 0:52:05.880
<v Speaker 1>retweet call me Dalla what y'all bring into the Scandal

0:52:05.880 --> 0:52:07.960
<v Speaker 1>watch party? So she made some coconut shrimp and brought

0:52:08.000 --> 0:52:09.080
<v Speaker 1>it to a Scandal watch party.

0:52:09.200 --> 0:52:12.600
<v Speaker 2>A Yem at Everybody Loves DJ wrote, I'm ready to

0:52:12.640 --> 0:52:16.400
<v Speaker 2>find out who the hell Quinn is tonight hashtag scandal.

0:52:17.680 --> 0:52:22.040
<v Speaker 1>Ug real y'all two underscore Tall says what the fuck

0:52:22.120 --> 0:52:26.360
<v Speaker 1>is Quinn Perkins? Hashtag scandal, hashtag gladiators and suits.

0:52:26.560 --> 0:52:29.360
<v Speaker 2>Everyone's talking about Quinn at Chrissy B. Davis wrote, I

0:52:29.400 --> 0:52:31.080
<v Speaker 2>had so many thoughts as to who Quinn could be.

0:52:31.120 --> 0:52:34.360
<v Speaker 2>We'll be happy to finally find out tonight hashtag scandal.

0:52:35.840 --> 0:52:41.840
<v Speaker 1>I like that, And then Aaron at Aaron J. Cruz tweeted,

0:52:41.880 --> 0:52:44.600
<v Speaker 1>who of the Scandal cast is the most like the

0:52:44.719 --> 0:52:47.719
<v Speaker 1>character they play? Hashtag asked scandal. That's when we were

0:52:47.760 --> 0:52:50.279
<v Speaker 1>doing that hashtag ask scandal and then we would, you know,

0:52:50.360 --> 0:52:52.160
<v Speaker 1>answer as many questions as we could.

0:52:52.280 --> 0:52:54.760
<v Speaker 2>Yes, we did hashtag as Scandal forever.

0:52:55.360 --> 0:52:57.440
<v Speaker 1>Who do you think is most like the character that

0:52:57.480 --> 0:53:02.399
<v Speaker 1>they play? Fucking I think Carrie Washington as Olivia.

0:53:02.520 --> 0:53:05.800
<v Speaker 2>I think so too in some ways. In some ways

0:53:06.360 --> 0:53:10.480
<v Speaker 2>she's Olivia is not goofy, right, and Carrie's got a

0:53:10.520 --> 0:53:13.319
<v Speaker 2>lot of Olivia popiner. I think I and Quinn have

0:53:13.400 --> 0:53:16.240
<v Speaker 2>a lot of starting. I think Josh Molina and David

0:53:16.320 --> 0:53:18.680
<v Speaker 2>Rosen have some stuff.

0:53:19.280 --> 0:53:22.680
<v Speaker 1>Everybody has a little bit of you don't characters? I mean,

0:53:23.320 --> 0:53:26.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, in the in the being quiet and sometimes

0:53:26.520 --> 0:53:28.759
<v Speaker 1>wanting to be alone. I could see that being you know,

0:53:28.880 --> 0:53:31.200
<v Speaker 1>similar to myself and talk.

0:53:31.320 --> 0:53:34.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but how can you literally make your voice and

0:53:34.200 --> 0:53:36.960
<v Speaker 2>the mask of your face different?

0:53:37.080 --> 0:53:39.600
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, Like you do.

0:53:39.520 --> 0:53:41.960
<v Speaker 2>Things as your face is gear mode that you don't

0:53:42.000 --> 0:53:43.479
<v Speaker 2>do on your face as huck.

0:53:43.719 --> 0:53:45.520
<v Speaker 1>That's so true. That's so true.

0:53:45.640 --> 0:53:48.160
<v Speaker 2>Like you have a mask that actually like changes, which

0:53:48.200 --> 0:53:52.480
<v Speaker 2>is fucking amazing to behold. The next episode is called

0:53:52.760 --> 0:53:54.840
<v Speaker 2>Grant for the People.

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<v Speaker 1>The People.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't remember what the fuck happens. I have no idea,

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<v Speaker 2>but y'all are going to want to listen and stay

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<v Speaker 2>tuned because you know it's going to be a good time.

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<v Speaker 1>We gotta go watch it now so we're ready for

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<v Speaker 1>the next episode of this podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Any Gladiators that don't think Josh Willene is hot enough

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<v Speaker 2>to have a sex scene leave him alone.

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<v Speaker 1>He's so hot, I think. I think Josh super se

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<v Speaker 1>I do too.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, I'm so jealous that he's going to have lunch

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<v Speaker 2>right now with George Newburn of The Century City.

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<v Speaker 1>Mall, we should go crash that ship right now.

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<v Speaker 2>He invited us. Did you get that text?

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<v Speaker 1>No, I haven't even looked at my phone because we're

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<v Speaker 1>doing a podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>He texted us yesterday saying, Yo, I'm not sure what

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<v Speaker 2>time you guys stop recording, but I'm going to have

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<v Speaker 2>lunch with George Newburn if you both like to come.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I didn't get that.

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<v Speaker 2>But whatever, we didn't want to go anyway.

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<v Speaker 4>That shit is yeah, yeah, but yo, Josh is so

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<v Speaker 4>freaking smart and talented and fun to talk to, Like

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<v Speaker 4>we could have done this for like three more hours.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, he's so much fun. I love all.

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<v Speaker 2>He's the best, and he really was an important energy

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<v Speaker 2>on Skin.

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<v Speaker 1>He really was important. He has so many great episodes

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<v Speaker 1>where his work is superstellar, so we're definitely going to

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<v Speaker 1>have him back.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes. Absolutely. I love you all so much. Thank you

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<v Speaker 2>for listening.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you everyone, Thank you guys for joining us on

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