1 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: More than two hundred million girls and women alive today 2 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:17,600 Speaker 1: have undergone female junical relation, also known as FGM, in 3 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: thirty countries in Africa, the Middle East, and Asia where 4 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 1: FDM is practiced. My guest today will be sharing her 5 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 1: story on surviving FDM. So to my guests, how are 6 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 1: you doing? How you feeling? I'm good. I am so excited. 7 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 1: Me too, me too. I hope your people can understand 8 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:42,879 Speaker 1: my accent. Of course, come on now, people say I 9 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:49,200 Speaker 1: sound a little American. No myself, I hear your accent. 10 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: I wish walls by the end of this now, I 11 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: hear you. I hear you. Like I told you before, 12 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: I am super excited about this episode. I actually have 13 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: a few listeners in Africa, and I was DM of 14 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 1: people like maybe like a year or two ago, just 15 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:10,959 Speaker 1: asking around and nobody really wanted to share their stories. 16 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: So I really appreciate you sharing your story bringing awareness 17 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:19,680 Speaker 1: to this topic that a lot of people do not discuss. No, 18 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 1: I honestly do agree that a lot of people from 19 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: a lot of community. I think every single community should 20 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 1: be having this discussion because it's really really important and 21 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: it teaches children as well. You know your body, your 22 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 1: your your rules essentially and giving them a sense of 23 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: control over their bodies, their lives. They're thinking education again, 24 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: and awareness is really important as well worldwide, and not 25 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: only on the practice, but also on the survivors because 26 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 1: we are the ones who are suffering from these complications. 27 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: We are the ones who have to live through these 28 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: insecurities and trials in life, so learn from them. And 29 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: this is why I do what I do, because I 30 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: want not only to empower and uplift and to educate, 31 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:24,119 Speaker 1: but also to give back to survivors because especially that's 32 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: what I am, and I am here compared to the 33 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: millions of girls who have lost their lives to this practice. Please, 34 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: it's my where female genital mutilation is to the listener. So, 35 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: female genital mutilation is a practice where a young girl's 36 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 1: genitals are deliberately cut without no reason at all. So 37 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: there's no medical reason for female genital mutilation, there's no 38 00:02:56,720 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 1: health benefits. Is not a religious practice, although some people 39 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 1: it's just no purpose for it. It's just no purpose 40 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: for it. So there are four types known to you know, 41 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: the Western world. I think the rest of us survivors 42 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 1: maybe think that there could be more, but there are 43 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: four main types. Type one is the partial or fully 44 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: the full or partial removal of the clitterests and in 45 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:34,839 Speaker 1: some cases they sew it and just a little bit. 46 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: In other cases they sew it halfway or all the way. 47 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: You know, the world really hate women. Because I was, 48 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: I was looking at pictures and stuff just to like 49 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: for research, and it broke my heart. I'm just like, 50 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: I could not believe it. And this is normally done 51 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: on girls between empathy the age fifteen. Yeah, but there 52 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: are girls who are the age of twenty one and 53 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: under who've had it done, even as grown women who 54 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: were manipulated to that point. It's it's crazy, It is 55 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: absolutely crazy. And then there's type two. Type two is 56 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: the removal, part removal of the full removal of the 57 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 1: clitterest and the Libya manoram. Type three is the Again 58 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:31,159 Speaker 1: for type two, they can sometimes sew it together as well. 59 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: Type three is considered the most severe type of females 60 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: gener's for mutilation, and unfortunately it is the one that 61 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: I had. It is the partial or full removal of 62 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: the clitters, the removal of the Libya manora and also 63 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: the larger outer lips the Libya MAJORA and then they 64 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: would sew you together, leaving a small hole for urination 65 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: and a small hole for either period flow or future penetration, right, 66 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 1: because they want to get theirs so tiny tiny so honestly, like, 67 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:20,840 Speaker 1: it's basically loos being penetrated that child when they grow up. No, no, 68 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: I know, but how are you being penetrated? You didn't 69 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 1: sew me up? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they don't 70 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 1: give a funk about that. And yeah, we sold you 71 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:34,279 Speaker 1: up so you know you don't lose your virginity before 72 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 1: marriage is one excuse, so that you can be cleaner. 73 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: The clitterer is for a lot of people, is considered 74 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 1: the most dirty part of a woman's body. Um, and 75 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 1: is unattractive, so we should just cut it off. Um. 76 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 1: What else? Um? Is a transition or ride a passage 77 00:05:56,000 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: into womanhood? Um, it's just there's a lot of excuses 78 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 1: and reason is behind why it is done. Except none 79 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 1: of that shit makes any sense to any educated human being. 80 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 1: It just does not make sense, right, Um. And unfortunately 81 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:20,840 Speaker 1: the ones that soft for the most are uneducated women. Yeah, 82 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: because when someone is not educated, you can practically say anything, 83 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 1: right um, And and you know you won't have to 84 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 1: do much to convince them. And what is type for? 85 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:33,919 Speaker 1: Because when I was doing my research, Type for says 86 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: that this includes all other harm for procedures to the female. 87 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: Why are you laughing? I'm like, you know, I gotta 88 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 1: you gotta love the Western society god, because I'm like, 89 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 1: what does this mean? Like type four? So for type 90 00:06:56,760 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: four that's I don't know. That's what I mean when 91 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: I say for me personally, I think there's more types 92 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: than one to four. But the fourth one specifically, is 93 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: any other procedure that involves pricking, piercing, burning, and scraping, 94 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: scratching the genital area right, so deliberately changing that area 95 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: bringing harm cuts like any of that. However, the I 96 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: think the one thing that gets me is genital piercings. Um. 97 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 1: I don't know the reason why genital piersons is even 98 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: considered FGM, because that's one is a personal choice and 99 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: that's what the person is going to go and pay 100 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: for to do, and that's what the person wanted. That's 101 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: exactly you can. You can warn them against it, you know, 102 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 1: tell them the complications. However, in the UK they took 103 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 1: it a step far and they're putting genital piercings in 104 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: the same database as they do female genital mutilation survivors. 105 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: So I don't know whether that is to increase the 106 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 1: numbers of the statistics. I don't know whether they genuinely 107 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 1: believe that that is considered or that should be put 108 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: into you know, FGM. But then if you think logically 109 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: as a as a grown as adult in America, the UK, 110 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: Western America, you know, Australians, all all these Western countries, 111 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: they have procedures to beautify your vagina is so libya plastic? 112 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: What is that They're supposed to make the pussy tighter, right, 113 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: not just the pussy tighter. They cut the clitterers, they 114 00:08:55,400 --> 00:09:00,079 Speaker 1: cut the libya manora like if it's too meaty, and 115 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 1: just to you know, they slim it down a bit, 116 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: or they just cut it off to make it look 117 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 1: more attractive. Or if the lips are bigger, they will 118 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:13,959 Speaker 1: reduce the size. Or you're basically practicing female genital mutilation 119 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: but in a completely different form. But your laws states 120 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: that you cannot change a female genitalia in any way, 121 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:27,559 Speaker 1: shape or form because it has no medical health benefits. 122 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: But it's okay if you're doing it. You know under 123 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:40,439 Speaker 1: medic said, but this is why the law, This is 124 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 1: why people don't take the law serious, because a law 125 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:47,839 Speaker 1: alone is not necessarily going to end the practice that 126 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:54,079 Speaker 1: have existed, existed for years. But they could also see 127 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: that you're doing the exact same thing, but yet you're 128 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: judging them. M So what do you think that that's 129 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 1: that's just a cultural clash at that point, it's not 130 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: a you know, a humanitarian problem and taking that And 131 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 1: I also feel like the difference is if I'm going 132 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: to get cosmetic surgery or my vagina, that is my choice. 133 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: Female genital mutilation is not a choice. But let me 134 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 1: tell you the amount of women from just Leave a 135 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: Plastic Yeah, who were convinced by either their partner. How 136 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:34,079 Speaker 1: do you think FGM came about? Because people have convinced 137 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 1: other people. One gender has convinced another gender that this 138 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 1: doesn't look good, or this doesn't look nice, or this 139 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 1: maybe needs to change. Just little hints here and there 140 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: that creates a person to go to that extent of 141 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 1: changing your genitalia or adjusting your tol. Making small changes. 142 00:10:55,960 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 1: Is that's how the concept of FGM started. So she's 143 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:04,559 Speaker 1: locky saying that you're niggas. That's exactly if you're calling 144 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: us barbarians, n't call yourself barbarians too, because you're doing 145 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:11,839 Speaker 1: the exact same thing. And I get back, Yes, it's 146 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: a choice, but if you search up how many how 147 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: many surgeries have gone miserably wrong when it comes to 148 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 1: leave a plastica, guess what the complications of it is 149 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 1: exactly the same as female general mutilation is basically saying, oh, 150 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:34,679 Speaker 1: you know, this is mutilation. This shouldn't exist, even though 151 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 1: these are the same woman who chose to get it done. 152 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: But there's now saying this. I can't I can't pee now, 153 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 1: and my periods are a lot more painful now I'm 154 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:48,319 Speaker 1: having this complication I'm having that I can't have sex properly. 155 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:50,439 Speaker 1: You know, I can't feel anything like you've taken my 156 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:57,359 Speaker 1: sensation away. You're suing hospitals because it's the same social acceptance. 157 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 1: It is the same reasoning as to why FGM is 158 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: done all too beautify to change to you know, and 159 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 1: to pay more attractive to your partner. It's the same thing. So, yes, 160 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 1: there's a law, Yes there is one is a choice 161 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: on the other there's a choice. But what if a 162 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 1: black girl decided to go to Africa and do FGM 163 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 1: on herself. In the UK, if someone even assisted that girl, 164 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 1: helped her, supported her in any way, you would get 165 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 1: fourteen years in prison, up to four you know what 166 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 1: I'm thinking about. I also feel like there's a bigger 167 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 1: scheme to this because the fact that it is okay 168 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:37,679 Speaker 1: to perform this cosmetic surgery is letting me feel like 169 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 1: y'all practicing, yeah, to perfect it exactly, yeah, yeah, Literally, 170 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:48,079 Speaker 1: you're just trying to change the way that it is done. 171 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 1: So for example, in Somalia, now they're trying to medicalize it. 172 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: There has been almost no deaths reported what to what 173 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 1: to where? So who's gonna report? They call the body exactly, 174 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: they just bury them the next day, good night. You 175 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: know who's who's counting. However, they've changed it now where 176 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 1: they're medicalizing it. So then what's then, what's like? What 177 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: are we gonna say as a society when FGM is medicalized? 178 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:25,319 Speaker 1: What are you gonna say then, Western society? What? What? What? What? Then? Like? 179 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: Where is all of this um eliminates FGM and n 180 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 1: FGM and you know, let's do this, let's do this. 181 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 1: But you're not even protecting the Western women, and you 182 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 1: know what's up? Crazy death falls underneath the misconceptions because 183 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 1: I feel like when people think of FGM, they think 184 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 1: about other countries, but this also goes on within our backyard. 185 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: And also not only are black women are affected, but 186 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 1: it's other women, especially white women, that are being affected 187 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:11,680 Speaker 1: by this. Yeah, it's everyone. This is why I don't 188 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: classify FGM survivors as just one or two members of 189 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: different communities. It is every single woman on this planet 190 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: is at risk of female genital mutulation. And I will 191 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 1: include libya plasty as female genital mutilation because I'm sorry, 192 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: that's what it is. That's what it is if you 193 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 1: deliberately change or alta a female genitalia. And do you 194 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: feel like FGM is an extreme form of discrimination against 195 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 1: girls and women? And the reason why I asked is 196 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: because I just don't understand the purpose, Like I just 197 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: don't understand how a family or a community, and I 198 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 1: know that this has been done for centuries and it's 199 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: been passed on, but I just don't understand how is 200 00:14:56,560 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: this even possible. It is possible thanks to history. Unfortunately, 201 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 1: female genital mutilation was known for many years. One it predate, 202 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 1: It predates both Christianity and Islam. So that just shows 203 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: how far how deep rooted this practice is. Again, there 204 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 1: was a lack of education, There was power when it 205 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: came to um. You know, men had more power at first. 206 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: I don't know if you know this, but they used 207 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 1: to first do it on dead mummies I believe in Egypt, 208 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: and then it transitioned to, actually, we could do this 209 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 1: on our female slaves so that they wouldn't be raped, 210 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: or they wouldn't go off and get married, or they 211 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 1: wouldn't be spoiled. And then every almost everything, every almost 212 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: every country that traded with Egypt at that time adapted 213 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 1: to that, adapted that culture, brought it back to their 214 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: home countries. And first I believe they started doing it 215 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: on female slaves, but then it slowly transitioned to we 216 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: can do this to keep our girls pure and ensure 217 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 1: their purity, you know, and it just really took off 218 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: from there. And again because the majority of these countries, 219 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 1: women are not or women don't have access to proper education. 220 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: They literally are mouth fed information by the men in 221 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 1: their families and in these societies that it's you know 222 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: that believe FGM is normal or where it is mostly normalized. 223 00:16:55,520 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: The belief is that this is what is good for them, 224 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 1: this is what is ideal for us. This is how 225 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:08,400 Speaker 1: we're going to keep our honor. This is how we're 226 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: going to find them good husbands, you know, and wealthy husbands. 227 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 1: You know. Well, whatever they're fucked up intentions might it 228 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:21,400 Speaker 1: might be. But a lot of men used to say 229 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 1: back then that we will to marry a woman that 230 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:29,200 Speaker 1: has not had FGM. So what do you think mothers 231 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:33,160 Speaker 1: and grandmothers would do? Well? I did read that when 232 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 1: people know that you didn't have it, they all terrorized you. 233 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 1: It makes you feel les, Oh them, you will be 234 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 1: excluded from your whole entire society. You will be bullied, 235 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: you will be terrorized, you'll be harassed, probably more likely 236 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:57,360 Speaker 1: to be raped. Wow. Um. In some countries that FGM 237 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 1: is actually a protection from rape, So it's a follow 238 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: it's a form of protection like breast ironing. I don't 239 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:10,680 Speaker 1: know if you've heard of that. That is again another 240 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 1: form of you know, to avoid harassment, to avoid sexual assault, 241 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:21,400 Speaker 1: to avoid But that's not gonna stop anybody right doing anything. 242 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 1: A man wants to rape someone who rape, you know, 243 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:33,640 Speaker 1: But it's like I said, the whole entire society genuinely believes, 244 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: from generation to generation to generation. It got to a 245 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 1: point where they don't even doubt it anymore. There's no 246 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 1: question in their mind that this is the way. In 247 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 1: some countries, it's not even the Paris decision. The community 248 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 1: will come and drag your child right out of your hand. Oh, 249 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 1: do FGM on your child and then bring them back 250 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 1: countries like serileon. But the crazy thing is there's a 251 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: fifty percent chance of you living and then you dying 252 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: from FGM. So the fact that the parents, well I'm 253 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 1: thinking when i'm when, I mean, I'm thinking, it's gonna 254 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: either go left or right. You're gonna live or you're 255 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 1: gonna You're gonna die. There's a higher chance of you dying. 256 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:18,440 Speaker 1: Let me tell you about this procedure. The way that 257 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:21,120 Speaker 1: most of us have had it done, Like I said, 258 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: some people have had it done in a styile place, 259 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 1: in a medical setting where they're under anesthetics, where they 260 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: can't feel anything. Let's traumatize in and probably because you're asleep, 261 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: they can do more damage. You know, they can take 262 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 1: a lot more and you're out. Yeah, you're asleep because 263 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:46,440 Speaker 1: there's no painkillers. No, no, no, there's some people who 264 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 1: have were given pain kills. But if you're fighting, then 265 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 1: they are able to do less, even though it's more dangerous, 266 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 1: but they they're able to. But if you if you're 267 00:19:57,480 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: put to sleep, they can they could go to work 268 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: on you and take as much as they want. You know, 269 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 1: I attended to detail type shit um to the point 270 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 1: where they will clean you out like nothing but a 271 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: whole wow. Like some people don't have they have nothing 272 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 1: right um so um. For my procedure, I'll give you 273 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:25,360 Speaker 1: mine is actually the best example. So for me, I 274 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:28,439 Speaker 1: had it down with my older sister and my younger cousin. 275 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 1: So I was six, my cousin was five, My sister 276 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:36,399 Speaker 1: was seven. My younger cousin went first, and the moment 277 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 1: we saw what the fuck was going on, we saw blood, 278 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 1: We saw family members physically holding this child down. She 279 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:47,680 Speaker 1: was screaming at the top of her lungs um she had, 280 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 1: she was she had. They put a cloth over her mouth, 281 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: and then I ran. I have never run so fast 282 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: in my fucking life. I ran as a young child 283 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 1: to try to get away from that nightmare. And then 284 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:05,479 Speaker 1: I was brought back I had to then witness my 285 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 1: cousin get sown, and then I it was then mity, 286 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: so I was put on the same chair that my 287 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 1: cousin just bled on, um, and then the cutter started 288 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:24,919 Speaker 1: cutting me, without anesthetics, without any form of pain killers, 289 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:29,159 Speaker 1: without any warning, without actually by this time that was 290 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:34,440 Speaker 1: my warning, and the same razor at you. But yeah, 291 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 1: well I didn't pay attention to any of that, but 292 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 1: most likely the same razor. Most likely the same razor 293 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 1: that she's been used all day. Um. Obviously when you're poor, 294 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:48,879 Speaker 1: you're trying to, you know, get the most out of 295 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:58,920 Speaker 1: that one razor. Um and then being sewn together like 296 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:04,680 Speaker 1: when I saw cloths. It it's so surreal to me 297 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 1: to think that, Like I wish I could ask. It's 298 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:11,880 Speaker 1: how it feels like, I don't know how to describe it. 299 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever met a survivor that can 300 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:21,239 Speaker 1: accurately describe anything close to how I felt. When it 301 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 1: comes to being so together, you could feel the need, 302 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:31,120 Speaker 1: or you can feel I was six, Yeah, I was yeah, 303 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:35,880 Speaker 1: six years old. I was six years old, and it 304 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: was and from that moment onwards, I used to I 305 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:43,880 Speaker 1: genuinely believe that my family was articile us. I thought 306 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,159 Speaker 1: they're gonna kill us. This was their plan all along, 307 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: We're gonna die. Um. I was waiting because my little 308 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 1: sister had died. She just dropped right in front of us, 309 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 1: and she started like bubbling from her mouth and shaking. 310 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:01,199 Speaker 1: What happened? And she was very The same day she 311 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 1: was married, the same day, No, she was buried. She 312 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,159 Speaker 1: was two. Oh wow, And what happened to her? Like, 313 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 1: did you have a fine? I have no idea. Till 314 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 1: this day, I have no idea what happened. And there's 315 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 1: not really much of an explanation. But when we saw 316 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 1: that plus the FGM, I thought you were trying to 317 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:22,920 Speaker 1: kill us off one by what? Right? Right? Because there's 318 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:29,160 Speaker 1: no explanation as well. And so when I say it's 319 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 1: for me personally, in a situation like that, it is 320 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 1: seventy percent chance that you will die at thirty percent 321 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 1: chance that you will live. And the reason why I 322 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:48,119 Speaker 1: choose seventy thirty I seem to be obsessed with that 323 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 1: number is because one to sit on the same chair 324 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 1: that someone else bled on. That's that's just one one 325 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 1: one ever a right there, one red flag. The second 326 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 1: one is the same razor was used. The bitch didn't change, 327 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 1: she didn't have she didn't get up out of that 328 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 1: chair anything. She was sacked in that same fucking position 329 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 1: when I got there. I want to know what type 330 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,880 Speaker 1: of mindset does she have to have to be known 331 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: as the color within the community and to be doing 332 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 1: this non start. That's that's fucking crazy. But you need 333 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 1: to for the way that I think about it is 334 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 1: for her, it was a financial transaction. This was a job, 335 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 1: the same way we go to jobs nine to five. 336 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:37,120 Speaker 1: This was a job. It is what is keeping her 337 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,119 Speaker 1: and her family alive, what has kept them alive for centuries. 338 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:44,400 Speaker 1: How much does she get paid for it? A decent amount, 339 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 1: Not like she weren't rich. That many girls getting cups. 340 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 1: Ninety eight percent of some monic girls. Listen, they got 341 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:57,119 Speaker 1: money in the bank, more fucking money than me. Not 342 00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 1: many girls. Um do you think, she said, again, it's 343 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:06,959 Speaker 1: the economics as well. Do you think she's cut? Yeah? 344 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 1: All cutters are cut. Ah, I've never met a cutter. 345 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 1: That wouldn't make sense. Well, you know, a lot of 346 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 1: people do a lot of things that they don't they dude, 347 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, But most cutters. I have been 348 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: trained by their grandparents. Wow, were caught by the same grandparents. Wow. 349 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 1: So I'm assuming every woman in your family is cut yeah? 350 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: Almost yeah? Wow? So what happened after words? So it 351 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:43,120 Speaker 1: took a lot of months to heal. M I think 352 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 1: it took up to a year to fully heal. Wait. Wait, wait, 353 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:48,959 Speaker 1: I saw one of yours. I saw one of your 354 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 1: videos videos when I was doing research. You said something 355 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 1: about you was covering the blood of an animal or something. Yes, 356 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 1: what is it was? I don't know what the fucking was. 357 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 1: I'm trying to clickure that part out because um no, 358 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 1: I'm honestly, I'm still trying to figure that out. But 359 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 1: I remember once the cut was done. Prior to that, 360 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:16,159 Speaker 1: I didn't see it, but um, an animal was slaughtered 361 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:20,359 Speaker 1: and the blood was drained. So when the cut was done, 362 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 1: they literally covered us in this blood head to toe 363 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 1: like hair, but like the whole entire body butt naked, 364 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 1: just cut by the way. On top of staying on 365 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:41,439 Speaker 1: each other's blood, we then had to be, you know, 366 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:45,919 Speaker 1: covered in animal blood, and then we stood in the 367 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:52,440 Speaker 1: hot sun, dried in blood. The whole entire blood dried, 368 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 1: and I don't know if anyone's ever had blood food 369 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,679 Speaker 1: on that body and it dried, but it feels oh 370 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 1: my god. And then they watched it, which felt even 371 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 1: worse because it felt so like silky silky and like 372 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,360 Speaker 1: very like ikey, and I didn't like it. I personally 373 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 1: didn't like the feeling. And it was everywhere you could 374 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 1: smell it, and it was just it was disgusting. Till 375 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 1: this day, I have no idea why that was done. 376 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:26,640 Speaker 1: I suspect that it might have been to like try 377 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,680 Speaker 1: and reduce the shock, but bit you installed another fear. 378 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:36,639 Speaker 1: Right you didn't reduce anything like EO like who no, 379 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:42,360 Speaker 1: But that happened. And then I think as soon as 380 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 1: I had my FGM, I needed to pee, and I 381 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,639 Speaker 1: remember I never wanted to be ever again because that 382 00:27:51,720 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 1: shit was occupatient. What is supposed to be so natural 383 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 1: has become absolutely agonizing. And then I had absolutely no 384 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:19,399 Speaker 1: trust in family members. How could they don't trust in 385 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:23,920 Speaker 1: any of them? I could not understand what was going on. 386 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 1: And because I was labeled from a young age as 387 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:31,439 Speaker 1: someone who was too quick, too mouthy, too fast, and 388 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 1: I got a very bad reputation very fast. And I 389 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 1: remember I used to think like is it because this 390 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 1: is why they like, they think so bad of me 391 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 1: that or they think I'm going to do something in 392 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 1: the future, or they know I'm going to do something 393 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 1: in the future, hence why they treat me the way 394 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 1: that they treat me. But because I had the experience 395 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 1: with my sister my cousin, it felt like, Okay, this 396 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: is something where we were supposed to go through. It 397 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 1: is what it is. It was still painful, but again, 398 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 1: when you live in a society where everything is so normalized, 399 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:12,960 Speaker 1: believe you me, you're not going to be um as 400 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 1: traumatized if that makes sense. You are traumatized, but you 401 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 1: don't realize you're traumatized. This is what goes on. Everyone 402 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 1: around you says it's normal, as normal, as normal, right, Um, 403 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 1: what was it? Domestic violence was normal in most of 404 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 1: these Western countries until you know, it was not even 405 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 1: I don't know in the in the nineties, these laws 406 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 1: came about where you can't no longer hit your wife. Right, 407 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 1: So it's a cultural norm, like when the whole entire 408 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 1: society accepts the certain behavior, anyone that tries to oppose 409 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 1: to it will be shunned, they will be excluded, they 410 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 1: will not be respected, their families will be destroyed, so 411 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: they can't risk any of that. They can't risk being poor. Poverty, 412 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 1: plus no one having any respect for you because you 413 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 1: chose to do the right thing, you know, So it's 414 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 1: following the herd, essentially copying what everyone else does, just 415 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 1: so that your daughter could have a good marriage, so 416 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 1: that a respectable man could choose your daughter. It all 417 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 1: surrounds men. It pisces me off because, to be frank 418 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 1: with you, men don't want that shit no more. I 419 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 1: mean men don't want it. Do you know what's happening now? Men? 420 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 1: Somali men, After ninety eight percent of the fucking country 421 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 1: were circumcised or had FGM, they are now saying, we 422 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 1: don't want a woman who's cut. Nigga, What the fuck 423 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 1: are you talking about? Why we were cuts because you 424 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 1: fucking said that you wouldn't marry a woman who wasn't cut, 425 00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 1: And now you want to turn around after you cut 426 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 1: all of us, and now you're saying, we don't want 427 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 1: to marry a woman who's carts because I can't feel anything? 428 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 1: Why would I want to be with someone like that? Like? 429 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 1: Are you fucking like? Are you? Are you tapped. So 430 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 1: now all of a sudden, nobody's getting cut. What didn't 431 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 1: mean nobody's getting cart People are still getting caught. No, 432 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying now of 433 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 1: a singcause you don't want to now, nobody's not supposed 434 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 1: to get cut, like no, yeah, it's just supposed to 435 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 1: stop right. No, But you're not doing anything about it, 436 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 1: exactly because you should have been doing something about it 437 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 1: when it was happening a thousand years ago. Yep, when 438 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 1: your sister, when it was happening to your cousins, when 439 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 1: it was happening to you know, you couldn't have stopped 440 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 1: your mother. Still, but still you could have saved your 441 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 1: younger generation if you didn't do that, if you watched 442 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 1: by and you know, was a look on you failed 443 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,720 Speaker 1: in life. I'm not gonna like you failed. And also, 444 00:31:55,840 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 1: to make something clear, FGM is not the same thing 445 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 1: as male circumcision. No, a man a man getting circumcised 446 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 1: is not the same thing as FDM. No, it's not. No. 447 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 1: Because I was doing research and I was reading it, 448 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 1: some people were comparing it, and I'm like, how is 449 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,920 Speaker 1: that the same thing. Actually a lot of people a 450 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 1: lot of There was a quite a few men who 451 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 1: came up to me and said, oh, you know, um, 452 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 1: why don't you ever talk about male circumcision one because 453 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 1: I haven't experienced it too, because the majority of men 454 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 1: actually accept it. So what do you mean to do? 455 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 1: I don't have the penis. I can fight for you 456 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 1: if you're fighting for it. If you're fighting for that cause, 457 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 1: I will fight with you. Right, if I had a son, right, 458 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 1: I would not have circumcised my son until he was 459 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 1: old enough to understand what the fuck that was, until 460 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 1: he understood this is the religious requirement. This is it 461 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 1: is you problem, This is my penis. If you wanna, 462 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 1: you know, it would be I don't know. It's according 463 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 1: to science, especially for survivors of female genital mutination, where 464 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,680 Speaker 1: we are and you know, get frequent infectious and system 465 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 1: and things like that. If um, like I said, again, 466 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 1: don't don't um crucify me. I'm saying this from sires. 467 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 1: According to science, they say that the man if he 468 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 1: still has his fore skin and it's not cleaned properly, 469 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 1: and I'm sorry, the way that men use the toilets 470 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 1: not clean. Okay, So if you're carrying all of that bacteria. 471 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 1: There's a high risk of HIV, and and you could 472 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 1: give me infections that are unnecessary to me because I 473 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 1: don't need them. I already have enough, you know, and 474 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 1: got the narrative about off like, no, women don't have that. 475 00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,239 Speaker 1: Women don't pose a risk to men. You know, if 476 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 1: you're fucking me, I don't pose a risk to you 477 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:06,719 Speaker 1: unless I have HIV or AIDS or actual disease, right 478 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 1: then I don't pose a risk to you. But without 479 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,279 Speaker 1: you having any of that, you could pose a risk 480 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:18,319 Speaker 1: to me. Yeah, Like it's fair trained, do you understand so? 481 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 1: And another thing is medically as well. When it comes 482 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:28,400 Speaker 1: to male circumcision. The reason why it is mostly accepted 483 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 1: by society is because there are actual medical reasons for 484 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:36,120 Speaker 1: it as well. So a for skin can be smothering 485 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:40,320 Speaker 1: the man's dick, for example, causing nerve damage or his 486 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:46,040 Speaker 1: census to you know, be um decreased or course the 487 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,800 Speaker 1: I don't know he's feeling to be affected or whatever 488 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,719 Speaker 1: it could affect him, so he would need the surgery. 489 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 1: But there is no such reason for a woman. Yeah, 490 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,400 Speaker 1: I have this fucking procedure done. Do you know what 491 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,640 Speaker 1: if you want to Compare it to a man, Compare 492 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:05,239 Speaker 1: it to a man whose dick has been cut off. 493 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,279 Speaker 1: Like that, I can accept, you know, but any any 494 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,520 Speaker 1: same thing, it's not the same thing. Don't compare it. 495 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,759 Speaker 1: Don't bring that shit around me. Um. If you are 496 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,480 Speaker 1: against it and you're advocating against children having it, I 497 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,920 Speaker 1: will support you, But don't come to my page and 498 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,759 Speaker 1: tell me as a survivor that, oh, you should be 499 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 1: doing this. I should not fucking be doing anything. I 500 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,240 Speaker 1: would do what I am doing, and that is speaking 501 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:36,080 Speaker 1: for survivors of humane genity mutilation, not just the practice, 502 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,279 Speaker 1: survivors too, because we are humans. We deserve to be 503 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:43,120 Speaker 1: listened to, not as just you know, a story of 504 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,719 Speaker 1: my I am a human being. These things have affected 505 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:48,879 Speaker 1: the way that I have lived for the past thirty year, 506 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:54,080 Speaker 1: twenty seventy years, twenty five years, twenty five I can't 507 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 1: do maths. I'm fair to now. I had the pursdue 508 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:03,880 Speaker 1: when I was excited my fucking third moths. It's too late, okay, 509 00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 1: But I know what I went through. I know what 510 00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:14,279 Speaker 1: I had to live through. I will like there's another thing. 511 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 1: I will never take the definition of a woman from 512 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,799 Speaker 1: any fucking body on this planet. And the reason why 513 00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,480 Speaker 1: is because at the age of six, I was told 514 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,720 Speaker 1: you're a woman when I had FGM in the most 515 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:32,920 Speaker 1: violent way possible, right. And then at the age of 516 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,720 Speaker 1: nine when I got my period, whilst I had FGM, 517 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,840 Speaker 1: it had nowhere to come out from. I suffered in 518 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 1: silence even with my period because I couldn't tell anyone. 519 00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:47,520 Speaker 1: It was a secret. Again, I was told that's what 520 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:51,759 Speaker 1: it meant to be a woman. And then at the 521 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:56,880 Speaker 1: age of seventeen, turning eighteen, I was forced to get married. 522 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,879 Speaker 1: But being married was what made you a woman. And 523 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,440 Speaker 1: then it wasn't that. I was actually where you have 524 00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,319 Speaker 1: a baby and you become a mother, and that's when 525 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:11,080 Speaker 1: you become like like a woman. Woman. I fuck all 526 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 1: of you, okay, like all of you, Like as far 527 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,280 Speaker 1: as I am concerned, I am a woman because I've 528 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:22,319 Speaker 1: suffered like one period, right, But I don't I don't 529 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:27,520 Speaker 1: give a shit like this whole um. You know, you 530 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,800 Speaker 1: could call yourself whatever you want. And I am super 531 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,200 Speaker 1: supportive and I love, love, love, love people. But the 532 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:41,719 Speaker 1: constant definished defining of U a language from different societies, 533 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:45,160 Speaker 1: from the Soman in society which tells you a woman 534 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:46,719 Speaker 1: is this and this and this, and then the worst 535 00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:48,120 Speaker 1: than one that the woman is this and this and 536 00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:51,799 Speaker 1: this and this, Like fuck both of you, right right, 537 00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,920 Speaker 1: I don't care what you guys think anymore. I really 538 00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,680 Speaker 1: don't care, right, So you're constantly putting women in these 539 00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:04,320 Speaker 1: books and a secluding them and am not all women 540 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,960 Speaker 1: but isolated? I am sorry, but there is it's really 541 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:09,839 Speaker 1: read to find a woman who has not gone through 542 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:15,319 Speaker 1: any form of abuse. Oh it is, bring me one 543 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:20,319 Speaker 1: bring Whether she is a celebrity, whether she is a nun, 544 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,960 Speaker 1: whether she is a leader of a country, I don't 545 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,840 Speaker 1: care what she I believe every woman has endured some 546 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:32,279 Speaker 1: type of Abut there you go, bare you go. So no, 547 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:38,239 Speaker 1: especially a man like I love, I love man and 548 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:42,840 Speaker 1: men of these podcasts nowadays, child, that's gonna be a 549 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:47,120 Speaker 1: whole nether episode. I just like, just shut up already. 550 00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:48,920 Speaker 1: I don't know, yeah, because I feel like people are 551 00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,000 Speaker 1: just talking to be talking because they have a mic 552 00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,160 Speaker 1: and is making it really hard for people who really 553 00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,560 Speaker 1: does this and like really want to prey a platform 554 00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,680 Speaker 1: for a bigger cause or a bigger reason, And I 555 00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:04,720 Speaker 1: just like people just be targrated like a shot bug Honestly, 556 00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,319 Speaker 1: they really need to take a chill pill because they're 557 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,319 Speaker 1: doing too much. But also they need to think about 558 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,160 Speaker 1: the effects is having on young girls they might have 559 00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,279 Speaker 1: just come across it. I didn't even intend to watch 560 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,400 Speaker 1: your stupid ass video or listen to you, especially in 561 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,799 Speaker 1: this day and age, because social media is so accessible 562 00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,520 Speaker 1: it is, and you just need to say one thing 563 00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:26,680 Speaker 1: to shock a person enough to stay on your page 564 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,280 Speaker 1: for another three minutes. Oh yeah, that's all you need. 565 00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,400 Speaker 1: You know, other people that have short attention spat so 566 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,759 Speaker 1: they want the juicy, they want the drama, they want this, 567 00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,600 Speaker 1: they want that. But then when you're hearing the same 568 00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:42,480 Speaker 1: content and content over and over and over again, you 569 00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:46,000 Speaker 1: start judging yourself. You start downsizing yourself, You start thinking 570 00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,960 Speaker 1: about surgery. You start doing this and enhancing this and 571 00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:55,000 Speaker 1: enhancing that. And we're seeing Bibl's fly, We're seeing and 572 00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,879 Speaker 1: women going under the knife. But do you know, it's 573 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,799 Speaker 1: all crazy. It's going to get to a point. I 574 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:03,919 Speaker 1: don't know if people are noticing this, but a lot 575 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,560 Speaker 1: of people, or especially a lot of celebrities, of those 576 00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,440 Speaker 1: who have like that's rich, a lot of them are 577 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:16,840 Speaker 1: reversing their procedures, right But the reason why is because 578 00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,799 Speaker 1: it has always been known that the rich want to 579 00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,560 Speaker 1: be separate from the poor and the fact that the 580 00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,839 Speaker 1: poor is able to push it on payment plan, now 581 00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:29,839 Speaker 1: we can't tell who is who. So now all all 582 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,440 Speaker 1: these people didn't got their bodies stuff done. Don't get 583 00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,279 Speaker 1: me wrong, I'm all for doing tweets. I'm all for 584 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,160 Speaker 1: making you happy. But as long as that if that's 585 00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,440 Speaker 1: what you want to do. But now you're starting to 586 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,880 Speaker 1: see these celebrities, they're starting to reverse the procedures so 587 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,200 Speaker 1: they can start back standing out because we all starting 588 00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,879 Speaker 1: to look alike. Yeah, that's why luxury is no longer 589 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:51,600 Speaker 1: a luxury anymore, because luxury was not supposed to be accessible. 590 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:56,880 Speaker 1: There's no reason why these luxury stores, these cosmetic procedures 591 00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:01,319 Speaker 1: are now on payment plans, trying to get everyone to 592 00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:06,120 Speaker 1: have a taste. But I'm glad that taking it off 593 00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:10,680 Speaker 1: because you know, be real, be your authentic self, because 594 00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:12,640 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you were hiding behind 595 00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:18,280 Speaker 1: the masks and now you know, you're you know, revealing yourself. 596 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:21,120 Speaker 1: But then do these other young women have their money 597 00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,759 Speaker 1: and go do we do? We have to go you know, 598 00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,000 Speaker 1: through another payment plan in order to take it all off. 599 00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,720 Speaker 1: Of course, you know what I'm saying, that's too much, 600 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,360 Speaker 1: that's too much. I think people need to just think 601 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,200 Speaker 1: before they act, like really really think about it. I 602 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,000 Speaker 1: think because you might think that something can make you 603 00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:43,200 Speaker 1: really really happy now, but then later it could cause 604 00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:47,960 Speaker 1: you more problems than good. So yeah, twice, like they 605 00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:51,600 Speaker 1: should have thought twice about female genital mutilation. Yes, So 606 00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,239 Speaker 1: have you been to any medical professionals to see if 607 00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,480 Speaker 1: they could provide some type of treatment? And a reason 608 00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,399 Speaker 1: why I act because I know some of the complications 609 00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:03,359 Speaker 1: that you varience, such as affection, tearing, pain, or sex 610 00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,280 Speaker 1: this im period and I'm just thinking about your period, 611 00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,239 Speaker 1: and I'm like, if there was no word that can 612 00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,680 Speaker 1: go that can really harm you, Yeah, I can. It 613 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:20,040 Speaker 1: actually causes a lot of people to have um blood clots. 614 00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:24,600 Speaker 1: It causes them to hemorrhage in some cases. It causes 615 00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:30,479 Speaker 1: people to be a fertile um. It causes so much 616 00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:35,640 Speaker 1: complications for a young woman. In some cases, it actually 617 00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:40,600 Speaker 1: blocks your urine track as well, causing your own urine 618 00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,759 Speaker 1: to accumulate inside your body. It causes your period to 619 00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,920 Speaker 1: accumulate inside your body. It's urination is a lot worse 620 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,040 Speaker 1: because you have to do a lot more frequent which 621 00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,759 Speaker 1: you know, you're out here. The kids are bloated and 622 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,120 Speaker 1: if you don't open it and release it, then they 623 00:42:55,120 --> 00:43:01,840 Speaker 1: could die. Right. Um. But when I got my period, 624 00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:10,840 Speaker 1: there is no surgery for young women to have FGM reversed. 625 00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,560 Speaker 1: So for example, when I say that, I don't mean 626 00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:18,239 Speaker 1: reconstructs the surgery, I mean defibrillation. It's not offered to 627 00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:25,759 Speaker 1: young children. It's just just it's just a know, um, 628 00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,719 Speaker 1: it's only offered to women who've been in labor. So 629 00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,879 Speaker 1: survivors of female generity of mutilation in the UK, if 630 00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:38,239 Speaker 1: they do not report the FGM to the doctor and 631 00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:43,080 Speaker 1: they get married, their husband will ramp through them. And 632 00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,520 Speaker 1: in some cases that's what the husbands want because you know, 633 00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:47,840 Speaker 1: it's my manhood, you know, like why you're trying to 634 00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,759 Speaker 1: take that away from me? But my your my womanhood 635 00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:52,440 Speaker 1: is not in the outside of me, is in the 636 00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:56,200 Speaker 1: inside of me. But even then it's you know, not 637 00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,959 Speaker 1: every woman has you know that the was a hermit 638 00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:06,799 Speaker 1: and herman him him, Yeah, herman listen on the other 639 00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,120 Speaker 1: side of the world, y'all. So it's like literally almost 640 00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:12,800 Speaker 1: one o'clock where she at o'clock where I'm at. Allow me, 641 00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:17,400 Speaker 1: but um, so we're gonna call it herman. Okay, everyone 642 00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:24,440 Speaker 1: is the same, you know. So they and it's really 643 00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,920 Speaker 1: scary to think that women are so scared to come forward. 644 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,480 Speaker 1: When they come forward, there's no medical there's no there's 645 00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:37,560 Speaker 1: no actual services to help them medically. There's nothing to 646 00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:42,319 Speaker 1: help relieve them physically until the labor or you find 647 00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,799 Speaker 1: out that they're having a baby, and then you might 648 00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:48,799 Speaker 1: be able to intervene, but by then it's to fucking late. Yea. 649 00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:55,160 Speaker 1: They have already suffered throughout their teenagers. You know, when 650 00:44:55,160 --> 00:45:01,279 Speaker 1: they were the most impressionable, impressionable, impressionable I can't forget 651 00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:04,040 Speaker 1: to speak English. You see that? Can you see that? 652 00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:11,320 Speaker 1: But when they are most um impression yea, impressionable, impressionable. 653 00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:21,479 Speaker 1: There you go. I think it's um. You know, that's 654 00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,279 Speaker 1: their time, and even that has been taken away from 655 00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,480 Speaker 1: them because they're so focused on the securities. They're so 656 00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:31,960 Speaker 1: focused on the judgments and the silence and the trauma 657 00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:35,919 Speaker 1: and that they're dealing with. And they grow up with 658 00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,239 Speaker 1: so much resentment and so much confusion and so much 659 00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:47,600 Speaker 1: built up anger that they make horrible decisions. They go 660 00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,160 Speaker 1: with partners that they feel like they deserve because they 661 00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:53,040 Speaker 1: are less than a woman. I used to consider myself 662 00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:57,600 Speaker 1: to be less than a woman. This concludes part one 663 00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:01,120 Speaker 1: of this week's episode. Please stay tune for part two, 664 00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:20,840 Speaker 1: which will be dropping next week. The Professional Homegirl podcast 665 00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,840 Speaker 1: is a production of the Black Effect podcast Network. For 666 00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:28,400 Speaker 1: more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, 667 00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,160 Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Don't forget 668 00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,160 Speaker 1: to subscribe and rate the show, and you can connect 669 00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,120 Speaker 1: with me on social media at the PO