WEBVTT - THE LAST SOVIET - EP 5: Three Hot Days in August

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<v Speaker 1>August nineteen, my husband and I were woken up by

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<v Speaker 1>a telephone call. It was six thirty in the morning.

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<v Speaker 1>It's August nineteen ninety one and Marsha Lipman had just

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<v Speaker 1>started working for the Washington Post in Moscow. I woke up.

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<v Speaker 1>I picked up the receiver. It was a friend from California,

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<v Speaker 1>and what she told me was switch on television. Isn't

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<v Speaker 1>what what are you talking about? It's six thirty year

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<v Speaker 1>and she said, switch on television. There is a political

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<v Speaker 1>coop in Moscow. There was a presenter there reading this

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<v Speaker 1>litany of stale, recognizable communists speak. Has stepped down, he's

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<v Speaker 1>too sick to do his duties. A new political committee

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<v Speaker 1>is now in charge of the country. And I realized that, yes, indeed,

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<v Speaker 1>something absolutely horrible was happening, that after years of liberal

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<v Speaker 1>reform under Gorbachev, a coup was underway, a coup by

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<v Speaker 1>hardliners determined to take the Soviet Union backwards in time,

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<v Speaker 1>away from democracy, back to the old authoritarian days. My husband,

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<v Speaker 1>by the time, of course, was also awake, and we

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<v Speaker 1>were standing there in front of the television. I remember

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<v Speaker 1>we're holding hands without normally do this, you know, standing

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<v Speaker 1>in front of me television at six thirty in the morning,

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<v Speaker 1>held it hands, but it was like he wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>hold on to something. Over the next three days, the

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<v Speaker 1>Soviet people were going to live through Communism's final reckoning,

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<v Speaker 1>three days that would change the world forever. I'm Lance

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<v Speaker 1>bass And from Kaleidoscope Exile and iHeart podcasts. This is

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<v Speaker 1>the Last Soviet. In the last episode, we left Serge

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<v Speaker 1>Kraklev weighing up the decision of a lifetime stay in

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<v Speaker 1>space and save the galaxy's only space station, or go

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<v Speaker 1>back home to Earth, to Moscow, to his wife and daughter.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know exactly what was going through his head

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<v Speaker 1>at the time, but whenever I make a big decision,

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<v Speaker 1>like when I had to decide whether to train in

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<v Speaker 1>the Russian Space Program, it feels like my brain is

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<v Speaker 1>playing a game of ping pong, conflicting thoughts bouncing back

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<v Speaker 1>and forth. Suddenly you feel like you've reached some clarity,

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<v Speaker 1>and then a new thought just slams its way in.

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<v Speaker 1>It's agony, and Serge had a lot of things to

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<v Speaker 1>weigh up. First, he had his family to think about.

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<v Speaker 1>They were prepared for him to leave for five months,

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<v Speaker 1>which was hard enough. But if he stayed, they'd have

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<v Speaker 1>no idea when sarage would come home. In a BBC

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<v Speaker 1>documentary from nineteen ninety three, Saragey's wife, Yelena, says, I

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<v Speaker 1>was so upset at this point. He was meant to

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<v Speaker 1>be more than halfway through his five month mission, and

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<v Speaker 1>my soul and my heart, I kept thinking, just a

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<v Speaker 1>little longer and he'll be back home. All the while,

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<v Speaker 1>Saragey is concerned about his family's safety. He knows how

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<v Speaker 1>his country is disintegrating, the poverty, the chaos on the streets.

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<v Speaker 1>Anything could happen. And it's not just what's happening on

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<v Speaker 1>the ground that's wearing Saragey. It's also what might happen

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<v Speaker 1>to him to his body, because the thing is humans

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<v Speaker 1>aren't actually meant to live in a tin can. In

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<v Speaker 1>space and zero gravity, your bones lose density, your muscles weaken.

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<v Speaker 1>Then there's the space sickness, nausea and dizziness. Your immune

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<v Speaker 1>system starts to break down, you have trouble sleeping. A

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<v Speaker 1>few people have been in space longer than six months,

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<v Speaker 1>So sarage just didn't know what would happen to him.

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<v Speaker 1>That's sarage from the same BBC documentary. He says, first

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<v Speaker 1>of all, I had to ask myself, do I actually

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<v Speaker 1>have enough strength to stay mentally physically Sarah says, of

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<v Speaker 1>course I had doubts. So there are a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>reasons for saraga to think, actually, I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>do this. But perhaps there was something else at the

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<v Speaker 1>back of Saragey's mind. Because sarage was dedicated to a dream,

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<v Speaker 1>the dream of the Soviet Union dominating space. Well, ministers

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<v Speaker 1>and all her subdues have been captivated by the charm

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<v Speaker 1>of Gagarin was Saragei's hero. He was the first one

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<v Speaker 1>of us, sarage says, the first to step into the

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<v Speaker 1>great unknown should and so perhaps the thing he focuses

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<v Speaker 1>on is that dream of Gagarin, the hero cosmonaut, there

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<v Speaker 1>to serve the Soviet Union at all costs, because in

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<v Speaker 1>the end, that's what sarage was trained to do, to serve,

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<v Speaker 1>to do his job. He says, he felt in his

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<v Speaker 1>heart that he could do it, his mind, his body,

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<v Speaker 1>he was prepared for this comes up on it, and

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<v Speaker 1>so he dials into mission control and he tells them

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<v Speaker 1>I will stay, stay to protect the station and serve

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<v Speaker 1>my country. But what he didn't know then was that

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<v Speaker 1>just a month later everything would change once again. Good evening,

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<v Speaker 1>the stunning overthrow of Mikael Garbatoff by Communist hardliners dominates

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<v Speaker 1>the news this Monday. Garbertroff is reported under house arrest

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<v Speaker 1>as Soviet tanks took our positions throughout Moscow. At seven

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<v Speaker 1>am on the Soviet space station, Sergei Krikilev unhooks himself

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<v Speaker 1>from his face caught It doesn't sleep well these days,

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<v Speaker 1>lying awake for what feels like forever, occasionally falling in

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<v Speaker 1>and out of frenetic dreams. He floats into the station's

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<v Speaker 1>main module and gets ready for his daily check in.

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<v Speaker 1>But before he has a chance to read out his vitals,

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<v Speaker 1>the Michian control plays him an urgent broadcast. President Gorbachev

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<v Speaker 1>has stepped down. He's too sick to do his due

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<v Speaker 1>to us. A new political committee is now in charge

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<v Speaker 1>of the country. What serge is hearing is the beginning

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<v Speaker 1>of a coup by Communist hardliners against the President Mikhail Korbachev.

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<v Speaker 1>These hardliners were old school party big wigs in the bureaucracy.

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<v Speaker 1>Para Streicher is designed to take authority away military leaders.

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<v Speaker 1>The military is worried about losing its political cloud, and

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<v Speaker 1>high ranking members of the KGB, the secret police, are

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<v Speaker 1>worried they're going to lose political control of the people.

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<v Speaker 1>They believed that the Soviet Empire was something to be

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<v Speaker 1>proud of. In some ways, these guys were the original

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<v Speaker 1>versions of Vladimir Putin, someone who has written and spoken

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<v Speaker 1>about restoring Russia to the glory days of the Soviet Union.

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<v Speaker 1>He's talked about reuniting the Greater Soviet Union, and now

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<v Speaker 1>he's been bumping up this Soviet nostalgia. Yea, he was

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<v Speaker 1>actually all about making Russia grade again, long before titald

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<v Speaker 1>Trump was talking about making America grade again. By looking

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<v Speaker 1>backwards back in nineteen ninety one, the hardliners had the

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<v Speaker 1>same aim and so they got together in shadowy back

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<v Speaker 1>rooms and had whispered conversations about what to do, and

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<v Speaker 1>eventually they came up with an idea, a plan to

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<v Speaker 1>stage a military coup in Moscow, and on August nineteenth,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety one, they decided it was their time to act.

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<v Speaker 1>From ADC. This is a special edition of World News

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<v Speaker 1>Tonight with Peter Jenning. The first thing they do is

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<v Speaker 1>lock up Gorbachev at his dacha or summer house and Crimea.

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<v Speaker 1>They put him under house arrest with no communication to

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<v Speaker 1>the outside world. There's a lot we know tonight hand

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<v Speaker 1>still a lot we do not know. There's been no

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<v Speaker 1>word from mister Germatophy. Even as specific whereabouts are not known,

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<v Speaker 1>it is assumed he is not free. Then they seize

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<v Speaker 1>the meeting. Being of somber music on Soviet television was

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<v Speaker 1>one of the first clues here that something had happened.

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<v Speaker 1>Some people thought somewhat important had died. Early in the morning,

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<v Speaker 1>they ordered the army to take over the main television

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<v Speaker 1>tower in the north of Moscow. Gas media has been

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<v Speaker 1>taken over by this emergency committee. Newspapers are not answering

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<v Speaker 1>their phones. Clearly glass nows to openness is under attack.

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<v Speaker 1>All scheduled programming is replaced by the ballet swan Lake

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<v Speaker 1>on loop. It's interspersed with news flashes. A man in

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<v Speaker 1>glasses awkwardly reading a prepared statement from a piece of paper.

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<v Speaker 1>This is what Sergei and millions of other Soviets were

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<v Speaker 1>hearing that morning. Were waiting, confused, listening to Tchaikovsky over

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<v Speaker 1>and over, were standing in frother me television at six

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<v Speaker 1>thirty in the morning. Hold it hands, that's Musha Litman again.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like he wanted to hold on to something

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<v Speaker 1>because the effect, the shock was immediate and strong in

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<v Speaker 1>the sense was that everything that will have just lived through,

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<v Speaker 1>those times of opening up, of freedom, of wild dreams

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<v Speaker 1>coming through, of old constraints falling apart, that this is

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<v Speaker 1>about to be over. Both parents they lived in fear.

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<v Speaker 1>They unfortunately brought me up in fear. And I dreamed

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<v Speaker 1>and expected that my children would not grow up in fear.

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<v Speaker 1>I had such wonderful dreams about them growing up in

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<v Speaker 1>a free atmosphere. And suddenly it was cut off. It

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<v Speaker 1>was being taken away from us with that presenter reading

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<v Speaker 1>from his papers. But Masha isn't going to give away

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<v Speaker 1>her children's freedom so easily. We need to find out

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<v Speaker 1>whether there would be resistance. She heads out on the streets,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's when she sees the tanks mingling with the

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<v Speaker 1>rush hour traffic. Red army armored personnel carriers on the

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<v Speaker 1>streets of Moscow this morning, heading south towards the River Moscow,

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<v Speaker 1>towards the White House, the seat of the Russian Parliament.

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<v Speaker 1>Tanks from the sofa. Immediately, she has one question on

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<v Speaker 1>her Moscow. Would the people join the coup or would

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<v Speaker 1>they fight back? Christnell carriers rolled by carrying scores of truth,

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<v Speaker 1>some of them brandishing machine guns. When she reached the

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<v Speaker 1>parliament she has her answer. This was the best street

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<v Speaker 1>party ever held in Moscow. Ardamy Troitsky as a culture

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<v Speaker 1>journalist in music critic, but at this moment in time

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<v Speaker 1>he was working on an independent TV news channel, a

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<v Speaker 1>channel that supported democracy, and as soon as he heard

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<v Speaker 1>news of the coup he headed out onto the streets.

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<v Speaker 1>It was really like a huge political rave, and of

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<v Speaker 1>course it was happening round the clock. It was incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never seen anything like these, neither before nor after.

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<v Speaker 1>Tanks lined up in front of the Russian Parliament and

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<v Speaker 1>stopping them, a huge crowd shouting, singing songs, saying no,

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't want to go backwards, and he gathered around

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<v Speaker 1>tanks for rating the soldiers. One woman chattered angrily, you

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<v Speaker 1>are fascists. They wanted freedom, democracy. They were even trying

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<v Speaker 1>to block the tanks with their bodies. One man laid

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<v Speaker 1>down in front of a tank to try to halt

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<v Speaker 1>its progress. They also started to build barricades. We makeshift

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<v Speaker 1>barricades with whatever piece of disused machinery or brickwork was available,

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<v Speaker 1>barricades being made out of cars and the buses. One

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<v Speaker 1>crane driver joined the effort, shifting concrete blocks to the

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<v Speaker 1>delight of the crown. Pieces of methyl and wood and lanterns,

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<v Speaker 1>I think build the obstacles designed to prevent any army

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<v Speaker 1>attempt to seize the Russian Parliament building. Of course, they

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<v Speaker 1>were also faming fun. I mean they communicated, they sang songs,

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<v Speaker 1>they flirted. The energy was tremendous because on one hand,

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<v Speaker 1>of course people they've been afraid, but they fought this fear.

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<v Speaker 1>It was electric. It felt like anything could happen. Some

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<v Speaker 1>people were drinking. Indeed there was some boos, but not

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of it because we got high on other things.

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<v Speaker 1>So we got high on revolution, not on alcohol or grass.

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<v Speaker 1>The Soviet people had turned up. They weren't going to

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<v Speaker 1>roll over and let the tanks take away their dreams

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<v Speaker 1>of a freer, more open country. But as day turned

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<v Speaker 1>to night, the party atmosphere started to turn from joy

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<v Speaker 1>to fear. Tonight, small groups of Muscovites gathered around bonfires,

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<v Speaker 1>determined to see what further action the military will take,

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<v Speaker 1>and ur Timmy noticed a sense of dread making its

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<v Speaker 1>way through the crowd. I think that there was a

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<v Speaker 1>great deal of anxiety. Soldiers have sealed off the Russian parliament. Inside,

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<v Speaker 1>officials watch nervously. There were a lot of rumors, increasingly

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<v Speaker 1>certain that Russia's great experiment with democracy has suffered irrevers blow.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of rumors coming all the time from everywhere,

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<v Speaker 1>Some rumors who were rather frightening, like you know, there

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<v Speaker 1>is a KGB division coming to Moscow from somewhere and

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<v Speaker 1>they are real killers. We are told that they fear

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<v Speaker 1>an attack by military forces loyal to the Committee of Eight.

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<v Speaker 1>We've all seen it happen before. In fact, it happened

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<v Speaker 1>just a couple of years earlier in China, a brutal

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<v Speaker 1>massacre of Chinese students and other protesters by the Chinese army,

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<v Speaker 1>where Chinese soldiers shot and killed hundreds of pro democracy

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<v Speaker 1>protesters in Tenement Square in Beijing. There was a volley

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<v Speaker 1>of tear gas ben without warning, the army opened up

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<v Speaker 1>with bullets, firing indiscriminately at the crowd. As nightfalls, the

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<v Speaker 1>people on the streets of Moscow can't help but think

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<v Speaker 1>maybe this is about to happen to them. We managed

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<v Speaker 1>to get a room at a hotel overlooking the barricades

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<v Speaker 1>and overlooking the White House. That's Serge Schmimon, the New

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<v Speaker 1>York Times correspondent we've been hearing from through the series.

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<v Speaker 1>He has a prime spot overlooking the battle outside the

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<v Speaker 1>Russian Parliament, and what he sees is terrifying. So then

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<v Speaker 1>we all realize that these barricades, dramatic as they are,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they looked like all these images of revolutions

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<v Speaker 1>past with flags and slogans, but that they're totally useless

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<v Speaker 1>against tanks. The flimsy barricades the people had built were

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<v Speaker 1>symbolic they were going to be there, you know, to

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<v Speaker 1>protect the future against the past. And then that night

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<v Speaker 1>something happened that made everyone think the past was about

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<v Speaker 1>to destroy the future. An extraordinary drama here in Moscow tonight,

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<v Speaker 1>it seems of destruction of fire on the street, three

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<v Speaker 1>tanks drove towards the Parliament. The tanks were commanded by

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<v Speaker 1>a guy called Sergey Sorofkin, who until recently was head

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<v Speaker 1>of the Russian Army in Ukraine. To reach the building,

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<v Speaker 1>they had to get through a narrow underpass. They were

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<v Speaker 1>going down to hunder pass, and that's when the people attacked.

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<v Speaker 1>Within minutes, the tanks were surrounded mobbed by a crowd.

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<v Speaker 1>They were stuck. They got themselves crapped. From there, young

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<v Speaker 1>men hurled rocks of Molotov cocktails. Because they were being

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<v Speaker 1>fulted by rocks and molotov cocktail. Two men climbed on

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<v Speaker 1>board of one of the tanks. Then one of the

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<v Speaker 1>hundred pertainel carriers caught fire. It then slammed into the barricade,

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<v Speaker 1>and as the smoke cleared, three protesters laid down, one

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<v Speaker 1>who said that shold the fulpened fire into the crowd,

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<v Speaker 1>and one were definitely shot in the head. On the

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<v Speaker 1>Soviet space station, Serge is reading about all this drama

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<v Speaker 1>on Maggie's bulletin board. I'd rewrite articles in very simple English.

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<v Speaker 1>They would connect. It's like my own system was a

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<v Speaker 1>tiny bulletin board, and they called it Rita, which is

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<v Speaker 1>my name in Russian. So Rita's information. So I was

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<v Speaker 1>their information source. And so he reads the news. Maggie

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<v Speaker 1>sent him shots in the nights. He read about an

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<v Speaker 1>old world represented by taints and a new one represented

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<v Speaker 1>by the people, the people and the security forces, has

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<v Speaker 1>not been seen since the early days of the Russian Revolution.

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<v Speaker 1>He read about the violence and the deaths of the protesters,

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<v Speaker 1>the Soviet food tones blood with three protest is killed,

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<v Speaker 1>and the more Sergey read, the more he became charged

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<v Speaker 1>with injustice. Soviet tanks should not be attacking the Soviet people.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not in the spirit of the ideals. He grew up,

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<v Speaker 1>serving ideals that focused on honor and virtue. And by

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<v Speaker 1>the evening Sergey had made up his mind. He was

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<v Speaker 1>going to do something no serving cosmonaut had done before.

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<v Speaker 1>He was going to make a political statement, and so

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<v Speaker 1>he wrote a message to send out over the ham

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<v Speaker 1>radio waves, a message from outer space, his attempt to

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<v Speaker 1>tell his countrymen this is where I stand as a cosmonaut.

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<v Speaker 1>And the message went like this, we stand with Gorbachev.

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<v Speaker 1>We denounced the coup and I think that's a very

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<v Speaker 1>brave act what they did. This is Gaya Quinto on

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<v Speaker 1>an Australian radio show. Well, because that went out to

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<v Speaker 1>the world, didn't Yes, it certainly did. It was it

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<v Speaker 1>was on their space stations as a message which could

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<v Speaker 1>be read by all hand radio operators and which was

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<v Speaker 1>read by them. And when Garabachev disappeared, no one knew

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<v Speaker 1>when he was coming back. And they're left in a

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<v Speaker 1>fairly precarious position out there, and they are dependent on

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<v Speaker 1>people on earth, and yet they sided with Gabachov and

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't come back. It's very courageous. It was courageous

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<v Speaker 1>because if Gorbachev's side lost, who knew what would happen

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<v Speaker 1>to Sergei and his family back home. This was a coup.

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<v Speaker 1>It was reported that coup leaders ordered two hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>fifty thousand pairs of handcuffs from a factory outside of

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<v Speaker 1>Moscow in preparation for their victory. The infamous KGB jail

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<v Speaker 1>was also cleared out, ready to take new prisoners. Those

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<v Speaker 1>who opposed the coup, especially such high ranking members of

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<v Speaker 1>Soviet society as Cosmonaut, risked prison by speaking out or worse.

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<v Speaker 1>And at that point it looked like the coup was

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<v Speaker 1>going to be successful. Three protesters lay down, and now

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<v Speaker 1>a hush silence fell over the city, and there were

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<v Speaker 1>constant rumors they're coming, and all night people waited for

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<v Speaker 1>the tanks, waited for the tanks that would kill them

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<v Speaker 1>in their thousands. But the night went on and the

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<v Speaker 1>darkness began to lift, and of course in Russia and

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<v Speaker 1>the summer, the night is short, and as the sun

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<v Speaker 1>began to rise, an extraordinary scene greeted the protesters. For

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<v Speaker 1>a moment, it seemed the situation was out of control.

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<v Speaker 1>But during the night, the new leadership had lost their love.

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<v Speaker 1>The soldiers were gone. The young conscript soldiers on the

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<v Speaker 1>streets were bewildered. They too were victims of this coup.

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<v Speaker 1>It was one of the most remarkable feelings because there

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<v Speaker 1>was no announcement. It was just obvious this coup had failed.

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<v Speaker 1>It had failed because nobody joined it, not even Sergei,

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<v Speaker 1>not even the dedicated communist cosmonaut Closeted inside the Kremlin,

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<v Speaker 1>the acting president Yanaiev and the other plotters decided they

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<v Speaker 1>could no longer stay in the city. As they fled

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<v Speaker 1>down the airport road, it was a humiliation, an extraordinary

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<v Speaker 1>climb down. The people had won, and now out in

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<v Speaker 1>the city, there was a different feeling in the air,

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<v Speaker 1>a sense that we were entering new, uncharted waters. It's

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<v Speaker 1>the feeling I remember most clearly. Tired as hell had

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<v Speaker 1>and slept, it had napped and people had made little

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<v Speaker 1>bonfires around, you know, to cook on. And the bonfires

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<v Speaker 1>were put out, and people moved slowly. They got up,

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<v Speaker 1>they gathered up their longings, whatever they had brought for

0:23:02.040 --> 0:23:05.320
<v Speaker 1>the vigil. The vast crowd had gathered to remember three

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<v Speaker 1>victims of the coup, but in reality they were recording

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<v Speaker 1>how close the country had come to disaster. The vigil

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<v Speaker 1>to honor the three dead young men, and then silence,

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<v Speaker 1>breathtaking stillness, as the crowd stood to remember and honor

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<v Speaker 1>the victims of the coup and slowly started walking back

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<v Speaker 1>into the city, smiling, laughing. You know, it was just

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<v Speaker 1>the feeling of the most pure kind of happiness. There

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<v Speaker 1>was nothing to say. There were moments of high emotion,

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<v Speaker 1>some fighting back tears. It was just a beautiful August

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<v Speaker 1>morning in Moscow, and people were going home because they

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<v Speaker 1>had defeated this coup. Many people spoke of this being

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<v Speaker 1>a funeral not just for the three men, but perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>for the Communist party itself. That marked a total turning

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<v Speaker 1>point in then the fate of what was left of

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<v Speaker 1>the Soviet Union. Victorious protesters marched through the streets, a

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<v Speaker 1>tide of people, bringing with them the banner of independence,

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<v Speaker 1>a huge Russian flag and shouts of down with the

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<v Speaker 1>Communist Party tearing down signs at the Communist Party headquarters

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<v Speaker 1>during a day of proud and peaceful attacks on the

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<v Speaker 1>symbols of Communist Russia and scrawling freedom, Freedom across the

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<v Speaker 1>walls of the KGB, croud revering in the party's humiliation.

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<v Speaker 1>Then they reached the statue of Felix de Zinski, the

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<v Speaker 1>infamous leader of the Soviet Union security forces. By this evening,

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<v Speaker 1>the demonstrators outside the Luvianko were preparing to tear down

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<v Speaker 1>the statue. There was a noose around his neck. Next,

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<v Speaker 1>metal cables were attached to the statue. The crane actually

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<v Speaker 1>tore him off. The journalist Masha Littman was watching on TV,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was dangling in the air for a while.

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<v Speaker 1>One elderly Russian and the crowd said, through lives all

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<v Speaker 1>my life. But I am glad I lived long enough

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<v Speaker 1>to see this. The people had taken back power, and

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<v Speaker 1>that was only the start of it. All around the

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<v Speaker 1>Soviet Union, statues of the great heroes of the USSR

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<v Speaker 1>began falling, stalins and linens and Braznev's all over the country.

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<v Speaker 1>The attack at Trzynski was an attack at the KGP,

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<v Speaker 1>It was an attack at the Soviet's regime. It was

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<v Speaker 1>an attack at the omnipotent government that held its population

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<v Speaker 1>and fear. People were no longer scared, and the interfere

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<v Speaker 1>really marked the end of the Soviet Union. Within a

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<v Speaker 1>few months, the hammer and sickle was lowered over the

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<v Speaker 1>Kremlin and replaced by the now familiar white, blue and

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<v Speaker 1>red of the Russian tricolor. For most people, this was

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<v Speaker 1>a moment of celebration, but for Saragey and the space program,

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<v Speaker 1>the collapse of the Soviet Union meant they had no

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<v Speaker 1>idea what their own future looked like. And it's at

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<v Speaker 1>this point that Maggie, Sarage's friend from Australia, begins to

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<v Speaker 1>hear rumors something is wrong on the space station. Journalists

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<v Speaker 1>rang up Saragey's wife and asked her about his illness,

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<v Speaker 1>which is must have been rather devastating for her to

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<v Speaker 1>listen to. And then she heard something even stranger. They

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<v Speaker 1>are in space. They're being stranded there, they're being punished.

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<v Speaker 1>At one point Sergey said to me and Russian, he says,

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<v Speaker 1>they say, we are in prison up here. That's next

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