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Speaker 2: We're here for the next two hours talking patriots, but

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Speaker 2: of course the big topic Jared Duran. So you get

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Speaker 2: into Hall of Fame, you don't get a ring, no ring.

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Speaker 2: I think it was an oversight, Are you sure? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Maury got one, didn't he Mary's not in the Holiday

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Speaker 3: You know what Hall of Fame he's in is the

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Speaker 3: one he tried to force his way into on Tom

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Speaker 3: Brady Knight, And you correct me if I'm wrong. Freddy,

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Speaker 4: You feel like Bill's like we could have just not

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Speaker 4: done it?

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Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I left for nothing.

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Speaker 5: In his ten playoff games, he's twenty one to four touchdowns?

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Speaker 6: Real?

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Speaker 3: Is that good in crunch time? You're more of a

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Speaker 3: numbers guy than me, But is that good in crunch time?

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Speaker 2: Her friend was the guy who wrote Suit Nazi Spike.

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Speaker 4: It's by Ferrison.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I did a show with it to he's

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Speaker 2: very tall. He doesn't sound like he's tall.

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here

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Speaker 2: at Jillette Stadium, and if I sound a little bit

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Speaker 2: more excited than I usually am, it's because this is

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Speaker 2: the week that training camp opens, Veterans reported today rookies

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Speaker 2: high above the practice fields, bringing you all the action.

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Speaker 2: But for now, it's our regular cast. It's Paul, it's

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Speaker 2: Evan Deuce, It's me Matt Lebooth Jordan on the cameras,

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Speaker 2: and we're here for the next two hours knocking ourselves

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Speaker 2: in the mouth with our microphones. No talking about Patriots. Today,

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Speaker 2: girod Mayo had his kickoff If you will press conference,

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Speaker 2: and Mike you volunteer to kind of recap what he

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Speaker 2: had to say.

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Speaker 4: That's about competition, about competition.

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Speaker 2: I like it.

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Speaker 4: No, that was a big theme though. I think that's

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Speaker 4: probably a good place to start. I also just think

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Speaker 4: the best place to start is it's about winning games, right, like,

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Speaker 4: that's what he said, and I think, you know, we'll

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Speaker 4: talk a lot about drop Mayo style and you know,

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Speaker 4: maybe how he's evolving a little bit and what he's anticipating,

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Speaker 4: the things he's changing, but it's just the bottom line

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Speaker 4: is he's got to win games. And whether you agree

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Speaker 4: with how they've been doing things or not, they got

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Speaker 4: a role start putting a team together here. So I'm

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Speaker 4: excited like you are. Fred I did think, I guess

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Speaker 4: just to highlight one point Paul that we talked about

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Speaker 4: that was interesting. We talked about the practices shifting from

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Speaker 4: and he said, you know, it's about having some time

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Speaker 4: they'd have to keep those things in their mind carry

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Speaker 4: them over to practice the next morning. So uh, that's why,

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Speaker 4: you know, we know we speculator a little bit. I

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Speaker 3: Got on Freddy.

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Speaker 2: That was my thing, I think, and it makes sense.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I got there were a couple couple of you

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Speaker 2: As opposed to just stay there sleep overnight.

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Speaker 3: So a couple of bookkeeping things you did. Mayo did

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Speaker 2: as we expected about Drake May and Brissett, and he said,

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Speaker 2: right now, Prissett is the most pro ready quarterback and

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Speaker 2: and Andy, okay, no surprise is there, right, But he

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Speaker 2: to me. I think you have to leave it open

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Speaker 2: you have to leave the door open for any scenario.

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Speaker 2: And it's my opinion that he is going to go

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Speaker 3: I think I actually look at it the opposite way

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Speaker 2: At this time out of the spring. Yes, at this moment.

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Speaker 2: He made it very clear Perssett is the starter, no

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Speaker 2: But he left it open that conditions in the ground

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Speaker 2: And I guess bottom line, in so many words, if

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, Bill was singing a similar tune about

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Speaker 5: So as of right now, it doesn't really hold much

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Speaker 5: We didn't even have appropriated to you.

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Speaker 3: it's down to five percent to me, okay, and that

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Speaker 2: It changes nothing, It changes nothing.

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Speaker 4: I think I'm with Paul on this one a little bit,

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Speaker 4: Like I mean, I just think he was pretty firm

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Speaker 4: We don't know. But I think everyone's going to be

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Speaker 2: Just think it's we're hoping to see things and that

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Speaker 2: it will be apparent, it will be obvious, Yeah to everyone.

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Speaker 4: I mean, that's what you better be.

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Speaker 3: It's a great question because we watched a bunch of

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Speaker 3: him to say it that's clearly after that, and like

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Speaker 3: for him to say it was so definitive, like did

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Speaker 2: Like back with Cam and Max Spring with the Spring? Oh,

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Speaker 2: I didn't think it was that definitive.

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Speaker 3: No, yeah, well Mayo did.

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Speaker 2: Kobe was that much better? Well, because he's seeing he

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Speaker 3: This is what I'm saying. I'm not saying was wrong.

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Speaker 3: I'm saying this is how different it can be for

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Speaker 3: the coaches as opposed to us just watching.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely agreed. Yeah, I mean we saw some physical things

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Speaker 2: that may did that were like whoa, you know, maybe

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Speaker 2: Jacobe can't do that, But like you said, there's a

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Speaker 2: mental part of that whole spring in early summer that

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Speaker 2: the coaches know that we don't.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, there's no question he's also starting Jacobybrisset from

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Speaker 5: a much higher point today. He was talking about his

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Speaker 5: experience in this offense and playing it in twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 5: and he's basically coaching guys out there right now at

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Speaker 5: this time of year, are not.

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Speaker 3: Literally but helping me.

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Speaker 5: And he's helping guys this time of year, not only

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Speaker 4: Right, you know, I don't think like that shouldn't be

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: I don't think that that's his job now. If he

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Speaker 4: But I was just going to say that, I mean,

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Speaker 4: But give Jacoby Brisett some respect at this point during

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Speaker 3: Full go and he will be thirty one in September.

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Speaker 2: Will be thirty one. Yeah, and the contract week.

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Speaker 3: taking the test today. Yeah, because he did say today definitively. Yeah, Yeah,

438
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Speaker 3: we have a conditioning run and that's part of the

439
00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:27,000
Speaker 3: physical that's part of that whole process, just like building.

440
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Speaker 2: Is that a league requirement that there's some form of

441
00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:32,520
Speaker 2: baseline condition or something like that. I don't think something

442
00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:34,320
Speaker 2: that's just a team by team how they do it.

443
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Speaker 4: No, He seemed to kind of relish, like, no, that's

444
00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:36,880
Speaker 4: that's stand.

445
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Speaker 5: Yeah.

446
00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:37,480
Speaker 3: JN.

447
00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:40,280
Speaker 5: Bentley said that it's that he actually had just come

448
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Speaker 5: from the conditioning test when he went up to the

449
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Speaker 5: podium and he said, it's essentially the exact same that's

450
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Speaker 5: what Bill had them do. He said, you know, maybe

451
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Speaker 5: a few minor things here and there, but he was

452
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Speaker 5: you know, he had a smile. He's like it was

453
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Speaker 5: it was good, you know it it was a conditioning test.

454
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Speaker 4: Mayo did mention Born that, you know, asked about him.

455
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Speaker 4: Played boy, He's we'll see, we're gonna run.

456
00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:05,720
Speaker 3: See that's one that under the old regime, he would

457
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Speaker 3: have already done that. Yeah, yeah, as an injured guy.

458
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Speaker 3: He wouldn't be doing that today because a guy coming

459
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Speaker 3: off in not an injured guy, guy coming off injury.

460
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Speaker 4: Yeah, so definitely strange. I mean I think we're all

461
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Speaker 4: assuming today they'll probably announce strange to pup. I mean

462
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Speaker 4: maybe born.

463
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll see. I was kind of into maybe he

464
00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:26,040
Speaker 3: has already done it. He said that they will run today.

465
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Speaker 3: He said, that's what Gerd said this morning.

466
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Speaker 2: Even the guy's coming off injury.

467
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Speaker 3: Well whoever, who, like, no one has done the conditioning run,

468
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Speaker 3: according to Gerard Tea until because running today, if you're.

469
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Speaker 2: Coming off, if you're coming off injury, I would assume

470
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Speaker 2: that you don't put him out in the field doing

471
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Speaker 2: anything until you're sure that he's ready.

472
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Speaker 3: So right, Yeah, Well, it's like when you do that

473
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Speaker 3: conditioning run. This is why I used to sort of

474
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Speaker 3: wonder how you could fail it, Like you don't just

475
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Speaker 3: it's not like Paul and Mike go out there and say,

476
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Speaker 3: let's do you think we could do the conditioning run,

477
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Speaker 3: and you know, maybe Mike does it, Paul doesn't, whatever, no,

478
00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:01,960
Speaker 3: or you've practiced, it's like.

479
00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,000
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, you know what the require the marathon.

480
00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,600
Speaker 3: You know you can run a marathon, Yeah, because you've

481
00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,920
Speaker 3: been working out and working ramping up to running a marathon.

482
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Speaker 3: But guys still, guys still, I think they they get

483
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Speaker 3: psyched out.

484
00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:14,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, but not.

485
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Speaker 4: We had to run the six thirty mile holy Cross.

486
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Speaker 4: That was the I mean that was the the bar.

487
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Speaker 3: Now did you have to skate backwards when you did that?

488
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Speaker 4: I could, I probably could. I would have done it

489
00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,919
Speaker 4: much faster than that. One other thing though, Javon Baker

490
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Speaker 4: little note Andre Callian today broke thumb or fractured thumb

491
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Speaker 4: and a.

492
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Speaker 2: Broke that was his injury. It's not a new injury. Yeah,

493
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Speaker 2: just to clarify that it was from the spring that

494
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Speaker 2: was what was holding him back.

495
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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's okay to go or some pictures on Patriots

496
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Speaker 4: dot Com check him out.

497
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Speaker 2: Thumb are just being six weeks, right, I mean he

498
00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:50,040
Speaker 2: should be fine. Yeah, at least not legs or anything

499
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Speaker 2: like that unless there's ligaments. So yeah, I did.

500
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Speaker 4: Anything with legs. I mean we talked about I think

501
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Speaker 4: ought it wasn't like a hams you know.

502
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Speaker 2: Like that stuff, just like right soft tissue. Yeah, I

503
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Speaker 2: would agree.

504
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:05,159
Speaker 3: Broken bone better than soft tissue. That sounds.

505
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Speaker 4: I really want to see him tomorrow. I mean not tomorrow.

506
00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:09,879
Speaker 4: I'm just saying camp I know, I know, look, I know,

507
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:11,840
Speaker 4: tomorrow is gonna be a little lackluster. There's just gonna

508
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,080
Speaker 4: helmets on. It's you know, not gonna be ill all of.

509
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Speaker 3: A sudden your enthusiasm.

510
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Speaker 2: No, I.

511
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Speaker 4: Don't want to imply that we're going to see something

512
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Speaker 4: tomorrow that like, you know, but I want to see

513
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Speaker 4: how he moves again, and I just I just want

514
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Speaker 4: to see how involved he is, because as Evan said

515
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:29,399
Speaker 4: a few times, he just moves a little different than

516
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Speaker 4: the rest of the guys. He's got some explosion from

517
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Speaker 4: his legs. And you know, I don't think Polk's ever

518
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Speaker 4: going to be a shortened T shirt kind of guy.

519
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,000
Speaker 4: He's going to be game day kind of guy. But Baker,

520
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Speaker 4: I think could be that guy. Maybe we're holding out

521
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Speaker 4: hope because he just didn't do that much and he's

522
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Speaker 4: like the lone guy left that you're still kind of like,

523
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 4: maybe he's a guy, but he's he's definitely one of

524
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Speaker 4: the top of my list, and I just throw to

525
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Speaker 4: buy in there too. Didn't really do much in the

526
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Speaker 4: spring or didn't. He didn't participate, so he seemed like

527
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Speaker 4: he was recovering some something. Is he ready to go?

528
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Speaker 4: So if you guys to kind of keep an eye

529
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Speaker 4: on it.

530
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Speaker 2: And uh, I don't know if we mention already. Judaan

531
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Speaker 2: is here, Gotcha is here? To what capacity they get involved,

532
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,400
Speaker 2: We'll see, but they are here.

533
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 3: It's just the continuation of my invisibility.

534
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,160
Speaker 2: It's all right. I'm just repeating it just in case

535
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 2: people tune in at different times, you know. So that's

536
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 2: kind of the state of the team. We'll get to

537
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 2: your phone calls, we'll get to your emails, we'll get

538
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 2: to Aaron Shatz in a little bit. But around the league,

539
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 2: there's some stuff going around Brandon Ayuk. That story is

540
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 2: still out there. And of course the Patriots aren't get

541
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 2: mentioned whenever that comes up, because I guess the reports

542
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,639
Speaker 2: are I don't know how long ago, but they did

543
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 2: reach out to the forty nine ers. Forty nine ers

544
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:44,160
Speaker 2: weren't interested in anything that Patriots were presumably offering.

545
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Speaker 3: And the most recent report was the second round pick

546
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Speaker 3: that they offered before the draft.

547
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:52,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, so but are you wants to get traded? We'll

548
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 2: see what happens, but that's out there. There's talk. There

549
00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 2: was a report today I forget. I think it might

550
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 2: have been Sports Business Journal about the eighteen game schedule

551
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 2: that at a high level, they're continuing to talk about

552
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 2: that at the league, and you know, they would like

553
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,239
Speaker 2: if they do it, they would like to do it

554
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,199
Speaker 2: before the current CBA expires, so they'd like to do

555
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 2: it as an amendment as soon as possible.

556
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Speaker 4: If they an extension.

557
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 2: If they decided to do it, they'd still have to

558
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 2: vote with the players in order to do it, And

559
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,399
Speaker 2: in order to do it, they have to give up something,

560
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 2: So maybe it's extra bye weeks or certainly to give

561
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Speaker 2: up a preseason game, I'm sure, but that's all to come,

562
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 2: you'll see.

563
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Speaker 4: It certainly seems inevitable, Yeah, it is, doesn't It seem

564
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 4: like it was a bigger lift to get to seventeen

565
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Speaker 4: than it's going to be to get to eighteen. I

566
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Speaker 4: don't know.

567
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Speaker 3: I just because seventeen doesn't make sense, It doesn't make sense.

568
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Speaker 2: It was just a stepping stone. It was always a step.

569
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Speaker 4: To bad number. It's a bad number for Patriots, it's

570
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 4: a bad number for games.

571
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Speaker 5: I'm still not used to it. It's ten and seven.

572
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Speaker 2: It can't be a five hundred team anymore.

573
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Speaker 5: No, it's terrible.

574
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 4: We got to win percentage. So that's coming.

575
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Speaker 2: Eighteen games is coming, I would say. I would say

576
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,879
Speaker 2: in two years, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's.

577
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Speaker 4: What do you think is do you think they'll get

578
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 4: an additional buy and drop a preseason game or one

579
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 4: or the other maybe or both.

580
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

581
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Speaker 5: I think the whole entire season schedule structure could be

582
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 5: blown from the off season all the way through.

583
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Speaker 2: I think even if they didn't do eight team games,

584
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,919
Speaker 2: I think if they want to continue with these international games,

585
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,879
Speaker 2: they should throw in another bye week anyway, just to

586
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Speaker 2: make it a little bit easier to figure out that

587
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 2: schedule and make it fair for teams that have to

588
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:34,879
Speaker 2: play overseas.

589
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Speaker 5: Plus you get to get the super Bowl. What President's Day,

590
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 5: that's the holiday in February. Yeah, so if they could

591
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,880
Speaker 5: get super Bowl Sunday and then President's Day is Monday,

592
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Speaker 5: then everybody's off.

593
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Speaker 3: I think.

594
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 2: The same thing.

595
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Speaker 4: Could you do that then there's a lot going on people.

596
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Speaker 3: Well, they could, but they wanted to move away from

597
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 3: that because of ratings. They felt like the ratings weren't

598
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Speaker 3: as good on labor Day weekend.

599
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, because they used to play Labor Day weekend.

600
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Speaker 3: It was one one day they actually opened on August

601
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 3: thirty first. Yeah, you remember that, Freddy.

602
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 2: No, I don't remember.

603
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 3: That was for San Diego get the superl Press.

604
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 2: I remember that Monday off something like that.

605
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 3: It might even forty five it is to be.

606
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 4: Doing a Patriots film breakdown.

607
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Speaker 2: I remember that because that was in the early days

608
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 2: of the paper obviously, and I couldn't go to San

609
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 2: Diego because somebody had to stay back and get the paper.

610
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Speaker 3: Now it was it was the opener this particular year.

611
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Speaker 3: It was here, and they blew them out in San

612
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Speaker 3: Diego too, because I went to that game in ninety six,

613
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Speaker 3: ninety six, but I think it was the ninety seven opener,

614
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Speaker 3: maybe the ninety eight. It was one of those years,

615
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 3: and they blew them out on August thirty first. That

616
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 3: was the earliest opener I think.

617
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Speaker 8: You know.

618
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Speaker 2: Okay, league history, all right, yeah they could. I mean nowadays,

619
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Speaker 2: maybe back then it hurt ratings, But do you really

620
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 2: think Labor Day would hurt ratings now?

621
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Speaker 3: I don't.

622
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 2: I mean they play on Christmas now, I.

623
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Speaker 3: Don't know, right, that's perfectly put I don't know how

624
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 3: you can make the argument that we can play on Christmas,

625
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 3: We're adding extra games on Thanksgiving, we're going to play

626
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 3: on all these different you're.

627
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 2: Going to put it on streaming service, all these.

628
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 3: Different ways that we're going to maximize our revenue, and

629
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 3: then fall back and say, well, we can't play on

630
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 3: Labor Day weekend because.

631
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 2: I think whatever with Evan, I think whatever they whatever

632
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 2: they do that can make it so that the super

633
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 2: Bowl falls on President's weekend is what you want to do.

634
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 2: So you have super Bowl and work your way back

635
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 2: from there on Presidents because that's perfect. Now we have

636
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 2: Monday off after the super Bowl. Let's go off.

637
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 3: Let's go for NFL team, so we can be off

638
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 3: the Monday after the super Bowl.

639
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 4: It's a week after, it is, right now, That is.

640
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 2: That, yes? President?

641
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it's ridiculous. It's literally the week after and everybody,

642
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 5: you know, go watch the super Bowl on Sunday night

643
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,120
Speaker 5: and we're going to work Monday morning, and one week

644
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,400
Speaker 5: later it would just be an off day for everybody.

645
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 2: Do you think if when they win, they go to

646
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,360
Speaker 2: eighteen games and the season does get pushed that late

647
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:02,399
Speaker 2: into February, they'll make an effort to schedule these later

648
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 2: games in January and February in either well playoffs. You

649
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 2: can't really determine, but try to go as much as

650
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 2: they can warm weather or dome stadiums late in the

651
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,160
Speaker 2: season as possible. I don't you don't.

652
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 3: I think they love their weather games.

653
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:17,479
Speaker 5: Okay, it's very scenic.

654
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, well that's that's any other NFL news.

655
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 2: You want to talk about.

656
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 5: Joe Burrow's hair, Yeah, shady looks.

657
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think.

658
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Speaker 2: I don't know what what are the women saying?

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Speaker 5: That's what I said. I just said that to somebody.

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Speaker 5: I was like, we're supposed to find this person attractive.

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Speaker 2: Right, I don't think it makes them unattractive.

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Speaker 4: I don't know. I love I love Joe Burrow on

663
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Speaker 4: the field. He's getting a little he's getting a little crazy.

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Speaker 5: Come back to me, Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 2: All right, if I was inclined, I would, Yeah, the

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Speaker 2: hair with him? Do you think he's I think he's

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Speaker 2: a handsome looking man. You stay healthy. He's what McCauley

668
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Speaker 2: what's his name, probably should have looked like when he grew.

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Speaker 4: Up without the drugs.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we're getting a little a little overrated territory with

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Speaker 5: Joe Burt.

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Speaker 2: You mean on the field just in general. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Evan doesn't think he's quite as good looking as the

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Speaker 3: women make him out to.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I think he's also talking about his play on

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Speaker 2: the field.

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Speaker 3: Well, this is a whole package.

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Speaker 5: Can't stay healthy, right, Well, that's part of it. He's

680
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Speaker 5: been He's had season ending injuries.

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Speaker 2: Availability is the best ability.

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Speaker 4: The ego keeps going up, and the game's played is

683
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Speaker 4: just kind of going down, and he.

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Speaker 5: Doesn't want anything. Like we talked about, Josh Allen.

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Speaker 2: Our guest is here. What what you're pointing to? Our

686
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Speaker 2: guest is here? Our guest is here? Which line we

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Speaker 2: got him on WebEx? Oh yeah, we got it. Okay.

688
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Speaker 2: So we're listening to him through the speaker. Okay, make

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Speaker 2: the speaker loud.

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Speaker 10: It's still working it out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there we go a little louder, a little louder.

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Speaker 2: But I can't hear you, Aaron.

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Speaker 4: Can you hear.

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Speaker 2: Us, Aaron? No? Okay, we can hear Aaron.

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Speaker 3: We used to have a desk.

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Speaker 2: We can hear a microphone here.

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 2: The difference here is that we're trying to put Aaron

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Speaker 2: on WebEx so you can see him as well as hearing.

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Speaker 2: So while we're waiting.

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Speaker 10: For testing one, two, three, can I hear you? Can

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Speaker 10: you hear me?

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Speaker 2: We can hear you. Can you hear us?

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Speaker 3: This is great radio.

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Speaker 2: You cannot hear us? Oh okay, all right, all right, Well,

706
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Speaker 2: while we're waiting for Aaron to hear us, you hear me?

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Speaker 10: I'm here.

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Speaker 2: What What are the some of the things you want

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Speaker 2: to talk to him about?

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Speaker 4: Well, I think I'd like to start with the wind projection.

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Speaker 4: You know, they have seven point one wins and so

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Speaker 4: they're a little bit you know, optimistic, you know, thoughts

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Speaker 4: on the afc uh, what direction I see east specifically

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Speaker 4: what direction you know the Bills and the Dolphins are headed.

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Speaker 4: And then the big one which I which I highlighted

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Speaker 4: in there for you, Fred was just there a little bit.

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Speaker 4: Don't worry about the offensive line, which I think you

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Speaker 4: know is something that just looking back at the off season,

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Speaker 4: I think, I look, I'm a borab with what they

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Speaker 4: did this offseason. Like the only like they took a

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Speaker 4: swing at Ridley they missed. But the only thing I

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Speaker 4: really would criticize them for this offseason that I don't

723
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Speaker 4: agree with was that they didn't fully address the tackle position.

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Speaker 4: So I think that's, you know, to me, that's the

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Speaker 4: big headline is that, you know, why did they think that,

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Speaker 4: you know, don't worry about it so much. I think

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Speaker 4: they say it wasn't quite as bad as some people

728
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Speaker 4: made it out to be last year. So I mean,

729
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Speaker 4: if you're gonna tell me, hope we're getting the thumbs

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Speaker 4: up from Matt Morrell.

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Speaker 2: Aaron, can you hear us?

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Speaker 10: Yes, I can hear you, and can you hear me?

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Speaker 6: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Yes, great? Thank you. Sorry about the technical difficulty. So, Aaron,

735
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Speaker 2: you're on Patriots Unfiltered with Mike Dusseau, myself, Fred Kersh,

736
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Speaker 2: Paul Perrillo, and Evan Lazarre, and so thank you for

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Speaker 2: doing this first of all. And my initial question is

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Speaker 2: tell us a little bit about FTN Fantasy and how

739
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Speaker 2: you come up with your numbers, because here we're very

740
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Speaker 2: familiar with PFF. That's kind of like what we but

741
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Speaker 2: he's a DVA. But tell us how you come up

742
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Speaker 2: with your predictions and the models that you base it on.

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Speaker 11: Sure, the DVOA basics during the season is that it

744
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 11: measures the success on every play compared to a league

745
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Speaker 11: average baseline adjusted for situation and opponent.

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Speaker 2: I have no idea.

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Speaker 11: What we do for the preseason in the book is

748
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Speaker 11: we have a big projection system that looks at performance

749
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Speaker 11: over the last three years, certain items that tend to

750
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Speaker 11: regress towards the mean, personnel changes, coaching changes. We throw

751
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Speaker 11: it all in there to try to predict how well

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Speaker 11: teams are going to play this year. I mean, there's

753
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Speaker 11: a range of possibilities for every team, but we give

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Speaker 11: you sort of an average output for each team. And

755
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Speaker 11: then of course FTN Fantasy also has like a ton

756
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Speaker 11: of other stats like Fantasy Projection and the DFS Optimizer

757
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Speaker 11: and all kinds of stuff at ftnfantasy dot Com.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I don't want to hog this, but you have

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Speaker 2: the Patriots at around seven wins, and I work for

760
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Speaker 2: the team, and you might be a game more than

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Speaker 2: I have them for at this point, Like, tell us

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Speaker 2: what you're basing that on.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, we just think they're gonna have a really good defense.

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Speaker 11: They had a top ten defense last year despite not

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Speaker 11: being very dependent on turnovers, and they're getting back their

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Speaker 11: best pass rusher and two of their three best cornerbacks

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Speaker 11: who basically missed the entire season last year.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so you're basing it all on defense, but they

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Speaker 2: only won four games.

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Speaker 11: Defense should be bad, but we don't think the offense

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Speaker 11: will be as bad as last year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so defense stays at least where it was,

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Speaker 2: if not better because of the guys that coming back,

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Speaker 2: and offense maybe is a tick better. And you say

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Speaker 2: that gives in the three extra wins. Do you also

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Speaker 2: factor in the strength of schedule, because right.

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Speaker 11: Now they have a hard schedule, so they we would

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Speaker 11: project more wins if they had an easier schedule. We

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Speaker 11: have them with the second hardest schedule in the league

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Speaker 11: behind Buffalo.

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Speaker 5: Aaron, that was my question for you because I heard

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Speaker 5: this kicked around and I'm not sure how true it is.

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Speaker 5: But because Buffalo, the Jets, and the Dolphins are in

784
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Speaker 5: the division with the Patriots, they're out of division, schedule

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Speaker 5: might be a little bit easier than their in division schedule. Like,

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Speaker 5: how much does that factor into what we're seeing some

787
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Speaker 5: of these low win totals. Is just how good the

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Speaker 5: division is going to be versus maybe they could stack

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Speaker 5: up some wins outside the division.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean the NFC West is good, right, they

791
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Speaker 11: played the NFC West. That's at least three good teams

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Speaker 11: in Arizona. We can have arguments about, but I mean,

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Speaker 11: I think the division plays a large role in how

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Speaker 11: Vegas sees this team. Right, they see three good teams

795
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Speaker 11: in this division, and the Patriots are very clearly fourth,

796
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Speaker 11: but they're very clearly fourth because of offense their defense.

797
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Speaker 11: I feel their defense should be even better than it

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Speaker 11: was last year with those players back. And I'll point

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Speaker 11: out that in our projection system, we gave them an

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Speaker 11: extra penalty for losing Bill Belichick. We were like, you know,

801
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Speaker 11: no team has ever lost Bill Belichick in the last

802
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Speaker 11: twelve years, so we don't know what it means, but

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Speaker 11: we're gonna give them a little bit of an extra penalty,

804
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Speaker 11: and we still projected them with one of the best

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Speaker 11: defenses in the league.

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Speaker 4: Aaron, I just want to ask you about the offensive line,

807
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Speaker 4: which was you know, a point I think all of

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Speaker 4: us coming into this season we felt that's maybe one

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Speaker 4: spot that they didn't quite fully address a lot of

810
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Speaker 4: questions about right tackles being able to play left tackle.

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Speaker 4: But you know, in your preview, which I love I

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Speaker 4: read every year, thank you for it. You know, it

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Speaker 4: seems like you guys aren't quite as worried just to

814
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Speaker 4: read the kind of the last line. It might not

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Speaker 4: be the best in the league, but it's far from

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Speaker 4: the worst and not an area for concern in twenty

817
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Speaker 4: twenty four. Can you just tell me a little bit about,

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Speaker 4: you know, what your thoughts on the offensive line here

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Speaker 4: and how it'll come together.

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Speaker 11: I mean, I disagree a little bit with Tyler who

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Speaker 11: wrote the chapter, Tyler Lockner. I do think it is

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Speaker 11: a concern in twenty twenty four. But the left tackle spot.

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Speaker 11: The rest of the offensive line looks fine, right. We

824
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Speaker 11: know that Mike on Win who is good right, Andrews

825
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Speaker 11: Strange and style, that's fine.

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Speaker 10: It's left tackle that's a big hole.

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Speaker 11: It's one of the reasons why I wouldn't play Drake

828
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Speaker 11: may early is you don't want him to get bad

829
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Speaker 11: habits behind the line that has no left tackle. But

830
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Speaker 11: I'm not going to pretend that that's not a problem.

831
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Speaker 11: It's a problem.

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Speaker 2: You're mentioning Strange. We don't know right now if Strange

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Speaker 2: is going to play well.

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Speaker 10: I wasn't aware that he was dealing with an injury issue.

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Speaker 3: Well when he played last year. The offensive line I

836
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Speaker 3: believe was ranked by a lot of the various metrics

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Speaker 3: as being one of the worst, if not the worst,

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Speaker 3: in terms of past block win rate, and Strange was

839
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Speaker 3: one of the weaker rated guards when he played. I'm

840
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Speaker 3: just curious as to why you think the offense won't

841
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Speaker 3: be as bad as it was last year.

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Speaker 10: Well, I mean the biggest reason is quarterback.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, I.

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Speaker 11: Mean the quarterback. Let's assume Jacoby Brissett is the quarterback.

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Speaker 11: Jacoby Brissett. The ceiling and the floor. The ceiling should

846
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Speaker 11: be low, but the floor should be higher. Remember, Prissett

847
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Speaker 11: had his best year with Alex van Pelt in Cleveland

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Speaker 11: a couple of years ago. I don't think he's going

849
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Speaker 11: to be good, but I gotta think he's going to

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Speaker 11: be better than what mac Jones was giving them a

851
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Speaker 11: year ago.

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Speaker 10: I agree, and got to think.

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Speaker 11: The receivers are a little bit better. We don't know

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Speaker 11: quite what to expect from Polk, but Bourne has always

855
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Speaker 11: had good numbers when he's healthy.

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Speaker 10: I mean Bourne. The ESPN.

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Speaker 11: Receiver tracking Metrics absolutely loved Bourne a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, Paul, you don't agree with it because you're

859
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Speaker 2: looking at it purely on ability, which but I also

860
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Speaker 2: look at it as attitude, and I think that's where

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Speaker 2: Brissett is at.

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Speaker 3: I just concerns about I think Brissett has been a

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Speaker 3: productive quarterback in his time.

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Speaker 2: As a starter.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he's he's any better than Mac Jones. I

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Speaker 3: think a lot of the things that Aaron just said

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Speaker 3: about Brissett were would have been things that we said

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Speaker 3: about You know, the ceiling's not all that high, but.

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Speaker 2: The floor is.

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Speaker 3: That's what we said. That's how we talked about mac Jones.

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Speaker 11: Mac Jones is really a black Swan event though there

872
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Speaker 11: have not been other players like mac Jones in history

873
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Speaker 11: who were so good as rookies and then just completely

874
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Speaker 11: lost their way without blaming injury, like it was horrible

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Speaker 11: last year. Like, yeah, what we would have predicted going

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Speaker 11: into last year, We would have never predicted that Jones

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00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 11: would have been as bad.

878
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 2: As he would. No, I know, But Aaron, this is

879
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 2: where I'm gonna push back a little bit on what

880
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 2: you just said. He wasn't you know, because we we

881
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 2: live this thing right right, we're here. He wasn't that

882
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 2: good his rookie year. He was highly highly managed.

883
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 11: Really he was good. He was good for a rookie.

884
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,479
Speaker 11: He was good his rookie year. Yes, he wasn't great,

885
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 11: he was not CJS drought his rookie year. No, Butland

886
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 11: team with a good defense, like he was good his

887
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 11: rookie year, and then it just all collapsed. And there's

888
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 11: never been a quarterback like that whose career completely collapsed

889
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 11: after a good year.

890
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 2: How many quarterbacks have the defensive coordinator come over to

891
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 2: be the.

892
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 3: I was challenge to go back and his rookie year,

893
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 3: it's it wasn't as good as people remember. Yeah that

894
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 3: the fall happened before the second year, and people just

895
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,399
Speaker 3: didn't see it right right when they started playing good

896
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 3: teams in the second half of the year, that's when.

897
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 2: It kind and he was asked to do more and

898
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 2: he just couldn't do it. He was really harsh.

899
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 11: What he was asked to do he was good at

900
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 11: and then all of a sudden, the next year he

901
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 11: was bad at those things. And then the third year

902
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 11: he was horrible at those things.

903
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never been.

904
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 10: A quarterback like that.

905
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 11: Who Like The best comparison I've come up with for

906
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 11: Mac Jones is a receiver Michael Clinton.

907
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:02,720
Speaker 10: Remember Michael Clayton.

908
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 11: Was amazing as a rookie and then completely self destructed.

909
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't know the reasons for Michael Clayton's demise,

910
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 2: but I can tell you that it wasn't all on

911
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 2: field demise for Mac Jones. It was the environment, the

912
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 2: situation he was put in, and his own attitude. I

913
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 2: think it all added.

914
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 11: Up wellde Wise, I gotta think there's a massive improvement

915
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 11: because I've never heard anyone compare about complain about Jacoby

916
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 11: brist We.

917
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 2: Agree with that, we all agree with that. That's why

918
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 2: I think you might be right, Aaron, that the offense

919
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 2: could be a tick better than it was last year

920
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 2: because of that.

921
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 5: I mean, even just on the baseline of not turning

922
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 5: the ball over like crazy like they did last year. Right,

923
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 5: I think Jacoby Brissett's career interception rates like one point

924
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 5: five as a quarterback, and Mac was three point five

925
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,839
Speaker 5: last year. So just if he doesn't tend the ball

926
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 5: to the other team, you know, twenty times.

927
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 2: I mean, they're gonna be getting benched and everybody. I mean,

928
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 2: his brain was mush, you know by mid season last.

929
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 5: Year, Aaron, you mentioned the Patriots defense not being you know,

930
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 5: really hung up on turnovers, right, you know, in takeaways,

931
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,320
Speaker 5: and that's why you guys project them to be pretty

932
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 5: stable even post Belichick. And you explain that a little

933
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 5: bit more, because I feel like turnovers is probably one

934
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 5: of the most volatile things we have in the sport.

935
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:19,839
Speaker 5: In one year, you get them, in the next year

936
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 5: you might not.

937
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean exactly what you just said, which is

938
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 11: turnovers are very volatile. And I'm trying to open up

939
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 11: right now to see where the Patriots were in takeaways

940
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 11: per drive last year. The Patriots were the third lowest

941
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 11: defense in the league last year in takeaways per drive,

942
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 11: and that tends to regress towards the mean, which means

943
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 11: you can expect more takeaways. And this is a defense

944
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 11: that was ninth in the league by DVOA without getting

945
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 11: a lot of takeaways, and suddenly you expect them to

946
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 11: get an average number of takeaways. And you add in

947
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 11: Judean and you add in Gonzales and I don't exactly

948
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 11: know what Marcus Owns means as a defender, but you

949
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 11: add him to and it just this should be one

950
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 11: of the top defenses in the league. The offense will

951
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 11: be bad.

952
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 4: Eric, Just how hard was it for you guys this

953
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 4: year to really look at this offense. I mean, you

954
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 4: mentioned Bill Belichick leaving. It's unprecedented to lose a coach

955
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,839
Speaker 4: of that magnitude, certainly here. How hard was it kind

956
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 4: of putting this all together, looking at the Alex van Pelt,

957
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 4: the Jacoby Brisaid, and then you know, adding in Drake May,

958
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:27,240
Speaker 4: who we haven't even really talked about.

959
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 11: I mean, I don't think it was that hard compared

960
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 11: I mean, compared to other teams. Listen, it's it's you

961
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 11: just have to accept to start out with that you

962
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 11: cannot project rookie quarterbacks very well, and you cannot project

963
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 11: them to be good. The average performance of a rookie

964
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 11: quarterback is going to be bad. But sometimes you're going

965
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,280
Speaker 11: to get Bryce Young and sometimes you're gonna get CJ. Stroud.

966
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,720
Speaker 11: But I don't expect Drake Made to play that much.

967
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,720
Speaker 11: So when we did our projections for Minnesota and New England,

968
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:57,800
Speaker 11: we expected that this quarterback positions would be split between

969
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 11: two guys. Whereas for Washington and Chica and Denver, we

970
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 11: expect the rookie to play the whole year, and for Atlanta,

971
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 11: we don't expect the rookie.

972
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 2: To play at all, So, let me ask you a question.

973
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,760
Speaker 2: I'm just curious, why don't you expect May to play

974
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 2: that much this year?

975
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 11: Because I think that they feel like he's I mean,

976
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,399
Speaker 11: he's the youngest of these quarterbacks who came out last year.

977
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,919
Speaker 11: I think they feel like he needs more development time.

978
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 11: I think they got perseet to be a bridge quarterback.

979
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 11: Certainly they have a better bridge quarterback than Chicago does.

980
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 10: I mean, we can talk.

981
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 11: About whether Mariota would be a good bridge quarterback if

982
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 11: Washington for some reason didn't want to play Daniels. But

983
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 11: Chicago has no bridge quarterbacks, so of course they're playing

984
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 11: their rookie. And Denver doesn't really have one, so of

985
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 11: course they're playing their rookie. But New England has one.

986
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 11: They don't have to get May right out there right away.

987
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 11: If he impresses in camp and they feel like that's

988
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 11: the best thing for the team, they can do it.

989
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 10: But I would worry.

990
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 11: About having him behind that offensive line for a whole season.

991
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 2: Okay A lot of people share that sentiment. Yeah, all right, anything.

992
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 4: Else, guys, No, thanks, thanks for Aaron.

993
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 2: We appreciate you calling in, and maybe you know we'll

994
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 2: have you on a little later. In the season to

995
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 2: kind of recalibrate what we're talking about.

996
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 10: But for that, I'm right, they're five and seven.

997
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 2: For the record, I hope you're right about the defense.

998
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 11: I mean, I just think the defense is going to

999
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:22,399
Speaker 11: be really good, but I'm not I don't.

1000
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 10: That doesn't mean we think the offense will be good.

1001
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right. Aaron Shatz of FT in Fantasy, Thanks.

1002
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 10: Aaron, all right, have a good day on it.

1003
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:32,359
Speaker 4: Thanks.

1004
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 3: Thanks Aaron.

1005
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 2: All right, that's Aaron shats good stuff for conversations.

1006
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,839
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel like you said a lot

1007
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 5: of the same things about the defense that we've all

1008
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 5: been saying, which is on paper that they should be

1009
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 5: a very good defense and we'll see how much of

1010
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 5: an impact Bill not being here really makes. But talent wise,

1011
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 5: they should be somewhere in the top five to ten

1012
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 5: defenses in the league.

1013
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 4: I just think the elephant in the room of that

1014
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 4: whole thing is is this all going to work out

1015
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 4: with Jude on? Is judn't going to be around? Jude

1016
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 4: not going to be that same pass rusher at thirty

1017
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 4: two that we came to expect of him two years

1018
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 4: you know, Like that's the big question as far as that.

1019
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 4: I mean, I expect Gonzalez will be good. I mean

1020
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 4: he mentioned Marcus Jones. I'm the same. I don't know

1021
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 4: where he's going to end up.

1022
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 2: If he's but even just Jonathan Jones back, you lost

1023
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 2: him for a good portion of last.

1024
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 3: Years banged up to Yeah, he played last year. Well,

1025
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 3: Marcus Jones missed the hard.

1026
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 2: Marcus wasn't Jonathan Jones in and out like he was just.

1027
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 4: Always on the injury or it was something and it

1028
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 4: was always.

1029
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 3: Usually I think even like I thought it was kind

1030
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 3: of interesting the way he said they're getting two of

1031
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 3: the of their best three corners back. Okay, well that

1032
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 3: is how good is that?

1033
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 6: Like?

1034
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:43,439
Speaker 2: But it's better than last year?

1035
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, but I don't know if that. I

1036
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 3: don't know if Marcus Jones moved the ne for me

1037
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 3: defensively now in terms of as a returner off the charts,

1038
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:56,320
Speaker 3: as a potential gadget guy on offense off the charts,

1039
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 3: he was great right when he did that as a rookie.

1040
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 3: So in terms of that kind of stuff, big impact

1041
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 3: player to get back, I'm not sure it's a big

1042
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 3: impact guy to get back in the secondary. Maybe he

1043
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 3: will be, Maybe he's that much better in the slot

1044
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 3: this year in year three, and that allows you to

1045
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 3: sort of do some different things. Maybe Alex Austin factors

1046
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 3: into the secondary double a. Yeah, well another creative nickname.

1047
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 3: Maybe that factors into the equation and that sort of

1048
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 3: deepens your secondary a little bit.

1049
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1050
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 5: Another interesting note I was reading through this was just

1051
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 5: their split of pressure on first and second down versus

1052
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 5: third down. So we were talking about this last week,

1053
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 5: I think. But when they were able to cook up pressure,

1054
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 5: whether it was with blitzes or different disguise or whatever,

1055
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 5: they were able to get home. But just a four

1056
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 5: man pass rush on first down, they were not very effective.

1057
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,359
Speaker 5: And when you're not effective in the pass rush, you're

1058
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:52,320
Speaker 5: not disrupting the quarterback. You're not going to create turnovers

1059
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,919
Speaker 5: because there's no disruption on the QB. So that's where

1060
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 5: Judon comes into this whole thing. It's not just the sacks.

1061
00:46:57,880 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 5: It's the fact that if they can be more disruptive

1062
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 5: on early downs and get after the quarterback, that's when

1063
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 5: the snowball of turnovers usually starts to happen.

1064
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:07,879
Speaker 4: I'd tie that into Godshaw too, you know a little bit.

1065
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 4: Just I mean terms of early down you talk about.

1066
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 4: I mean, I've talked about this forever that I've been

1067
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 4: into the Patriots and into defenses. When you're gonna play

1068
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 4: so much too gapping, you're never getting penetration on early downs,

1069
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 4: so there's not going to really be any disruption going on.

1070
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 4: So if people want to throw on first down against you,

1071
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:25,879
Speaker 4: and I think last year was a big one like that. Now,

1072
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 4: I don't know if they're going to shift away. I mean,

1073
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 4: I know why they like Godshaw, but I think that

1074
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 4: that's part of why they're not that great against the

1075
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:33,879
Speaker 4: pass on first down is they like to play big.

1076
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:35,839
Speaker 4: They like to, you know, make sure they're stopping the run.

1077
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 4: But I think they're susceptible.

1078
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 2: All right, So we'll stop here, take a break. When

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Speaker 2: What's up, everybody?

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Speaker 7: Mattie here, Let's listen to a snippet from the latest

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Speaker 7: episode of Pats from the Past with Matt Castle.

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Speaker 12: It's time for another episode of Pats from the Past podcast.

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Speaker 12: Matt Smith here alongside with Papaolo when we were pleased

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Speaker 12: to be joined by former Patriots quarterback Matt Castle. Matt,

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Speaker 12: thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely glad to be here. Why are you here, Matt?

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Speaker 2: What would bring you back.

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Speaker 9: To What would bring me back to the Foxborough is

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Speaker 9: not just the people, the fans, but it's the tribute,

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Speaker 9: Let's be honest, it's the tribute the retirement ceremony for

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Speaker 9: Tom Brady. And you know, it was an incredible start

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Speaker 9: to the ceremonies last night when we all got together,

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Speaker 9: a bunch of teammates, old teammates and familiar faces coming back.

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Speaker 9: So we had a blast last night. We're looking to

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Speaker 9: continue it tonight.

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Speaker 12: You're a busy man with a big family, with a

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Speaker 12: lot of responsibilities and everything like that, so it's not

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Speaker 12: the easiest thing to sort of I'm going to drop

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Speaker 12: everything I'm doing. But was it and I'm sure so,

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Speaker 12: I mean, I don't want he answer it for you. Challenging,

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Speaker 12: but was it an easy decision to make that I

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Speaker 12: wanted to be here.

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Speaker 9: It was challenging, but it was definitely an easy decision

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Speaker 9: to make. I mean, Tom's a close friend of mine.

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Speaker 9: He's played an important role in my development when I

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Speaker 9: was young, and throughout the years we've stayed close and

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Speaker 9: just the fact that we get an opportunity to celebrate

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Speaker 9: him tonight and send him send him out in the

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Speaker 9: proper fashion, and it'll be it'll be a fun, fun

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Speaker 9: experience for everybody.

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Speaker 3: You talked about the event that you did on Tuesday night,

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Speaker 3: any particular teammate that maybe you hadn't seen and you're like, wow,

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Speaker 3: it was great to catch out. I'm sure there were

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Speaker 3: a lot of them, but that one individual that stood out.

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Speaker 9: You know, there's not one individual. The cool part about

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Speaker 9: it is the thing that you missed Motes, and we

1141
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Speaker 9: talked about this is when you leave the game, you

1142
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Speaker 9: miss that locker room. And you had Logan Mankins, Matt Lay,

1143
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Speaker 9: Dan Cope and Lonnie Pax and Kevin Fox, Dion Branch,

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Speaker 9: all these guys that you've had these incredible experiences with

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Speaker 9: and we played together, we competed together. But to come

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Speaker 9: back all and get into one room and be able

1147
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Speaker 9: to see those guys and pick up where we left

1148
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Speaker 9: off and tell funny stories and old jokes, that's what

1149
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Speaker 9: it's all about, and that it's the camaraderie that you

1150
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 9: really don't experience in other walks of life, but you

1151
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 9: do in that locker room, and so it's pretty unique.

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Speaker 12: All right, let's start where it started in two thousand

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Speaker 12: and five, and here's a guy who played one of

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Speaker 12: the best programs in all college football. You didn't get

1155
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Speaker 12: a chance to play a lot. What were your what realistically, Matt,

1156
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Speaker 12: did you think was going to happen as you entered

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Speaker 12: the draft that year.

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Speaker 9: Honestly, I was just hoping to catch on as a

1159
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Speaker 9: free agent and prove myself, maybe even get in a practice,

1160
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Speaker 9: because my expectations were, Hey, if I can get in,

1161
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Speaker 9: hopefully I can get a chance to prove myself. And

1162
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Speaker 9: throughout the process, I had a good pro day and

1163
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Speaker 9: all that stuff, and I had some workouts for about

1164
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Speaker 9: five different teams, and I just thought, you know, there

1165
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Speaker 9: is potential here that I will be a free agent somewhere.

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Speaker 9: And then all of a sudden, that last day of

1167
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Speaker 9: the draft, I get a phone call. I was sitting

1168
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Speaker 9: down at my agency's like, look, free agency is going

1169
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 9: to happen quick. We got to be prepared. We're getting fucked.

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Speaker 9: We're started to field some phone calls from different teams,

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Speaker 9: and next thing, I know, Coach Belichick's on the line

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Speaker 9: and saying, hey, Matt, welcome to the New England Patriots.

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Speaker 9: We're going to take you next in the NFL Draft,

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Speaker 9: and my jawge is dropped. I kind of even had

1175
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Speaker 9: to ask him, are you messing with me? Because I

1176
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Speaker 9: didn't think it was realistic, right, I mean, for a

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Speaker 9: guy that threw I think it was thirty two total

1178
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Speaker 9: passes in college, I backed up to Heisman Trophy winners,

1179
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Speaker 9: which probably you know, kind of helped me along the

1180
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Speaker 9: way in terms of the perception of who I could

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Speaker 9: potentially be.

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Speaker 2: But there wasn't any tape out there.

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Speaker 9: And so the fact that they took a shot on

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Speaker 9: me and gave me an opportunity, I would be forever,

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Speaker 9: forever grateful.

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Speaker 3: So when you got drafted, you know, I was. We

1187
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Speaker 3: were still doing the newspaper back then, Matt, That's how

1188
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Speaker 3: long ago it was. But you know, I had your

1189
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Speaker 3: draft profile that year, and I called Pete Carroll, who

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Speaker 3: was the head coach here my first year working for

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Speaker 3: Patriots dot Com, and I talked to Pete a little

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Speaker 3: bit and he gushed about how agonizing the decision was

1193
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Speaker 3: between you and Matt Leiner and how you guys had

1194
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Speaker 3: sort of toggled back and forth, and you know, depending

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Speaker 3: on the day that he woke up, he was convinced

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Speaker 3: you with the guy right, and then it was him

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Speaker 3: was you? And do you think that maybe Pete talked

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Speaker 3: to a lot of NFL guys, maybe with his obviously

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Speaker 3: extensive experience, and maybe that sort of helped give you

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Speaker 3: a little bit of a push.

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Speaker 9: I absolutely think he had an influence on just the

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00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 9: ability to know so many different people from a personnel standpoint,

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Speaker 9: and then at the same time, I remember on the

1204
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Speaker 9: pro day, before we started our pro day, he would

1205
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Speaker 9: go in and speak to all the scouts individually about

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Speaker 9: each guy, and so I know that we always had

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Speaker 9: a good relationship. And as agonizing as it was for him,

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Speaker 9: it was more agonizing for me to sit there and

1209
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Speaker 9: have to wait and say, you know, I can't the

1210
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 9: week before season getting called into that office and getting

1211
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Speaker 9: the devastating news that what you've been working for, you've

1212
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Speaker 9: been the backup for three years behind Carson. This was

1213
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 9: I felt like it was my time to go. And

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Speaker 9: then to be told, look, we're going to go with

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Speaker 9: line Art to start, but if he falters it all

1216
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Speaker 9: and you know, he took off that first game with

1217
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Speaker 9: like a rocket ship and we go beat Auburn. And

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Speaker 9: then I was like, man, what am I going to do?

1219
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Speaker 9: So I stuck playing. I went and switched over, played

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Speaker 9: a little tight end that year, played on special teams,

1221
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Speaker 9: did all these different things just because I wanted to

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Speaker 9: play and be a part of it. But I was

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Speaker 9: kind of stuck in that catch twenty.

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Speaker 3: That's why Belichick drafted. Yeah, He's like, maybe he'll be

1225
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Speaker 3: on special team.

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Speaker 2: The more you can do, right, the more you can.

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Speaker 12: Do Okay, So you're here ostensibly. You know, it helped

1228
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Speaker 12: celebrate Tom's career, and so one of the big things

1229
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Speaker 12: that has happened throughout the years, or rookie comes in,

1230
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Speaker 12: you're in the room with him.

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Speaker 2: You know, what was your first impression when you met Tom?

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Speaker 9: You know, I pretty much introduced myself in the weakest,

1233
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Speaker 9: nerdiest form and fashion when he came up. I said,

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Speaker 9: mister Brady Matt Castle. Because you know, it's an intimidating environment, right,

1235
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Speaker 9: and this guy just came off three Super Bowls.

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Speaker 2: You don't know how to like Normally you go up

1237
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 2: and say, hey, what's going on?

1238
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Speaker 4: Man?

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Speaker 9: Nice to meet you. I just completely geeked out with

1240
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Speaker 9: a mister Brady and he's like, hey, Bud, don't call

1241
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Speaker 9: me that, call me Tommy. I was like, he might

1242
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Speaker 9: have me cut tomorrow based on the fact that he

1243
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Speaker 9: doesn't want to be in the room with somebody like that.

1244
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Speaker 9: But no, he was incredible from the jump. I mean

1245
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Speaker 9: we got in there, and then soon thereafter, as we

1246
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 9: started to get into the work out that offseason, he's

1247
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Speaker 9: noticed that, Look, I was one of those workout warriors too.

1248
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Speaker 9: I like to go in there. I like to work out,

1249
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Speaker 9: and he's like, hey, you want to work out with me.

1250
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Speaker 9: So he kind of took me under his wing at

1251
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Speaker 9: that point, and from that point on for the next

1252
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Speaker 9: four years, we worked out every day with each other.

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Speaker 2: We were in every meeting.

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Speaker 9: But for me, it was just incredible to watch the

1255
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Speaker 9: professionalism day in and day out, and his leadership. And

1256
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Speaker 9: it was not just with his words, but it was

1257
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Speaker 9: with his actions. It's how he took care of himself,

1258
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Speaker 9: it's how he interacted with his teammates, how he treated

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Speaker 9: one guy because he thought he could get the most

1260
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Speaker 9: out of this guy, like Welker, for instance, he could

1261
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Speaker 9: yell at him all day long, and Welker would just

1262
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Speaker 9: continue to go, you know, and then there's other guys

1263
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Speaker 9: that maybe like a rainy Moss that he'd sit there

1264
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Speaker 9: in the locker after practice and just have a general

1265
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 9: discussion about stuff because how he approached people was different

1266
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Speaker 9: based on their personality and the relationships. So it was

1267
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Speaker 9: just a masterclass in being a professional quarterback. And then

1268
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Speaker 9: to watch what he did week in and week out

1269
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Speaker 9: was just so you.

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Speaker 3: Get to be part of that room with, you know,

1271
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Speaker 3: the best that's ever done it, and you also get

1272
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 3: to be coached by a guy who a lot of

1273
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Speaker 3: people think is the best who's ever done it. What

1274
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Speaker 3: do you remember about Bill specifically? But and I know,

1275
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Speaker 3: Matt and I tell talk about that story that I

1276
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Speaker 3: think you talked about in the Dynasty documentary about him

1277
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Speaker 3: calling your mom.

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Speaker 9: Oh yeah, right about being a dumb ass because I

1279
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:27,839
Speaker 9: missed the corner blitz that was my rookie year. Yeah,

1280
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Speaker 9: it was the last preseason game. I didn't see the

1281
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 9: week corner blitz, which hey, they were pretty sneaky about it.

1282
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Speaker 9: This guy's as well, but he definitely called me out

1283
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 9: in the meeting the next day. He's like, you know, Matt,

1284
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 9: let's make sure we go through the fronts and check

1285
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:42,439
Speaker 9: the corner blitz. I don't have to call your mom

1286
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:44,760
Speaker 9: and tell our dear missus Castle, we're sorry your son's

1287
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Speaker 9: in the hospital because he's a dumb ass.

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Speaker 2: And for the whole tear, I was like, yep, I

1289
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Speaker 2: deserve that one. But Bill, Bill was.

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Speaker 9: He was incredible because he pushed you to limits that

1291
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 9: you didn't know that you could go, and he got

1292
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Speaker 9: the best out of each of his players. But I

1293
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Speaker 9: always respected about Bill was he had you better prepared

1294
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Speaker 9: for any situation situationally speaking, also just game readiness then

1295
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Speaker 9: I've ever been around. And part of that was even

1296
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 9: on Tuesdays, taking the time out of his day. On

1297
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Speaker 9: a Tuesday or off day, we'd come in, we'd meet

1298
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Speaker 9: with him and you've probably heard the story. We sit down,

1299
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Speaker 9: go through every personnel and their defensive back end, safeties,

1300
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Speaker 9: corner strengths, weaknesses, summarize who they are, then even maybe

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Speaker 9: a potential matchup on linebackers, talk about the defensive coordinator

1302
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Speaker 9: and also his lineage and where it came from. Then

1303
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 9: we'd watch film on all these guys. So by the

1304
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 9: time you came in on Wednesday, you're rolling. You understand

1305
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 9: why we're implementing certain past schemes and concepts, who we're

1306
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 9: trying to attack on specific routes, who are trying to

1307
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 9: take advantage of And so you just had this, You

1308
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 9: had this confidence going into game week understanding why we're

1309
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 9: doing certain things, and there was.

1310
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 2: Never that wait, what are we doing?

1311
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 9: And if there was, it was answered right and so.

1312
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 9: And the other thing I always appreciated about Bill was

1313
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 9: he he was always held everybody to the same standard

1314
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:06,960
Speaker 9: of accountability.

1315
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 13: When someone accidentally threw away the school play costumes, oh No,

1316
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 13: replacements were shipped with FedEx and with picture proof of delivery,

1317
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 13: everyone could focus on the perfect opening night FedEx Where

1318
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 13: now it's next for residential delivery only.

1319
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 3: And now great moments in.

1320
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 2: History. My father had a hardware store in Brooklyn, Okay,

1321
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 2: in the city, and I'd go in there and work.

1322
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 2: When I was a little kid, first grade, they put

1323
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 2: me on the subway to get sandwiches for people, and

1324
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 2: I go to this place that they you know, and

1325
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 2: I'd go get the sandwiches for everybody and bring them back.

1326
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 2: First grader on the subway by myself with money in

1327
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 2: my pocket.

1328
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 3: I mean, that's great. That tops me. You know that

1329
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 3: tops me.

1330
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 2: It's like you would never do that now and I

1331
00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 2: can understand that, but back then you could do it.

1332
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Speaker 4: You went from all that to East Dennis. It was

1333
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 4: that a was not a crazy transition for you, going

1334
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 4: from like a city to living in the middle of nowhere.

1335
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 2: No. No, he worked in the city. We lived in

1336
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 2: the suburbs of New Jersey.

1337
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, knowing how dead it is down there. The subway

1338
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 4: didn't always have a great reputation back then either. Though.

1339
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 2: Oh maybe my father didn't like me. I don't know,

1340
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:27,959
Speaker 2: but maybe he won't come home off the hook. That's

1341
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:33,920
Speaker 2: another great moment from all right back here and Patriot's Unfiltered.

1342
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 2: We talked to Aaron Shatz in the last segment. We

1343
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 2: talked about Gerd Mayo's press conference and all the other players.

1344
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:41,960
Speaker 2: Now we're going to talk to you. Eight five five

1345
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Speaker 2: past five hundred is the ACE ticket houtline, web radio

1346
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 2: at patriot dot com is the email address. Let's get

1347
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 2: to those phones and emails. We'll start it off with uh,

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00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 2: Eldred in North Carolina. What's up, Eldred? Hey, we're doing good.

1349
00:59:59,400 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 2: How about you?

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01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 6: I'm doing good. I was just wanna do a big

1351
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:06,200
Speaker 6: shout out to mister Legend. Happy birthday today, buddy whose

1352
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 6: birthday is? We have many more John John Rook.

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Speaker 3: Okay, John Rook, Happy birthday. Step inside the playbook book tomorrow,

1354
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:20,360
Speaker 3: Right's playbook will be here tomorrow, our broadcaster, Happy birthday. Yeah,

1355
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 3: I was not aware of tomorrow. And you want tomorrow?

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Speaker 6: Well, y'all, y'all touched on a little bit. But I

1357
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 6: was wondering because I saw yesterday in the NFL network.

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01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 6: I've got the guy's name. But this is about are

1359
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 6: you and saying how much? How much Wolf wanted him

1360
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 6: and still want them? You're right, I stuck around with

1361
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 6: draft pickures that they're gonna pay him twenty eight to

1362
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 6: twenty nine million a year. But it's all on San

1363
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 6: Francisco tomorrow. We're in the leading, we're the lead hunt

1364
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 6: for it.

1365
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:50,720
Speaker 2: So what do y'all think?

1366
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 6: And I take it off the air, you'll have a

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01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 6: good day, man.

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Speaker 2: Thanks. Yeah, So would you do that if you're the

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Speaker 2: Patriots second round? Second absolutely and paid that much money,

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Speaker 2: Well that's not up to me, but I wouldn't pay it, No, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I would.

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Speaker 4: I would let robber Craft pay that money take.

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Speaker 5: I'd let him pay more, like I feel like with

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Speaker 5: Brandon Aiyuk. I keep going back to the aj Brown

1375
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 5: trade from Tennessee to the Philly, which was a first

1376
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 5: and a third round pick, but a mid first round pick.

1377
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:19,960
Speaker 5: There was eighteenth overall in one on one overall, and

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Speaker 5: a second round pick is just not it's not getting

1379
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:24,440
Speaker 5: you there, like you need to add more than just

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01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:26,440
Speaker 5: a second round pick to it. But if it's a

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01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 5: second this year, or maybe this is the twenty twenty

1382
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 5: five draft now we're talking about, and it's a second

1383
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:33,920
Speaker 5: and a fourth or something like that, that gets you

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01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 5: closer to that compensation.

1385
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 2: About a conditional second. So if he does something it

1386
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:38,920
Speaker 2: turns into a first.

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01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:39,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, you could do that.

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01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 3: I mean, now that's top ten pick, yeah right, it

1389
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:42,960
Speaker 3: could be.

1390
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:43,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 5: Well, just to be clear that I've gotten asked this question,

1392
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 5: I looked into it. You can't do what they do

1393
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:53,200
Speaker 5: in the NBA, where picks are protected based off of

1394
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:55,760
Speaker 5: where you finish in the standings. So the Patriots can't

1395
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 5: trade their twenty twenty five first round pick top five protected.

1396
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:02,080
Speaker 5: So if it's a fourth overall pick, then have kicks

1397
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 5: to next year or something like that. Like they do

1398
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:07,080
Speaker 5: in the NBA, those trades don't happen. So Brandon Iyuk,

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Speaker 5: if he makes Pro Bowl honors, if he's an a thousand

1400
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:12,440
Speaker 5: yard receiver, you could do all those types of things

1401
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:14,960
Speaker 5: with the conditions. But it can't be conditioned on the

1402
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 5: Patriots winning seven games like it has to be conditioned

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Speaker 5: on the player.

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Speaker 2: I think you know the money aside, and I know

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01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 2: that's a big deal. But if Brandon Ayuk right now

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01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 2: was available in the draft somehow he could go back

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Speaker 2: and be eligible for the draft, wouldn't he be a

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Speaker 2: first round pick?

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Speaker 5: He was a first round pick when he came out

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Speaker 5: of a.

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Speaker 3: First round pick when yeah, so what he said?

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Speaker 2: So, I mean, you know, now, like if you're the Patriots,

1413
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:45,400
Speaker 2: isn't that much of a leap to say, yeah, I

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Speaker 2: give him, I give them a first round pick and

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Speaker 2: I would pay the money.

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Speaker 5: It all depends on how good you think he makes you.

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Speaker 5: If he makes you a middle of the pack team

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Speaker 5: and that first round pick is now the thirteenth overall

1419
01:02:57,160 --> 01:02:59,680
Speaker 5: pick instead of the third overall pick, then that's a

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Speaker 5: different conversation.

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Speaker 3: But if you're still going to stay and everybody would

1422
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:03,400
Speaker 3: sign up for that.

1423
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Speaker 2: But again, let's look at let's project next year's draft,

1424
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:08,520
Speaker 2: and of course we don't know. There's always guys that

1425
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:10,920
Speaker 2: have great years and all of a sudden they rise up.

1426
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Speaker 2: But right now, wouldn't he be a top six pick

1427
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Speaker 2: in next year's drafting if you could somehow magically make

1428
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:19,720
Speaker 2: him eligible for the draft?

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01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Probably, I mean, because now you know how good he is.

1431
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:25,160
Speaker 2: But it's not even a leak.

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Speaker 3: That's not how it works.

1433
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Speaker 2: It's not how it works. But you know, would he.

1434
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Speaker 3: Be a top six pick four years from now when

1435
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Speaker 3: that whole class had three years of NFL experience? I

1436
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:36,480
Speaker 3: don't know, but you.

1437
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:40,040
Speaker 2: Do know about Ayuk. But you know what I'm saying.

1438
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Speaker 3: You know, Ayuk is a really good player, right, But

1439
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:44,520
Speaker 3: he's four years in the league.

1440
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Speaker 2: That's why you know he's a good player.

1441
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:47,320
Speaker 9: Right.

1442
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:49,720
Speaker 2: So what I'm saying this is fantasy.

1443
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:51,920
Speaker 3: World, but you're comparing them against guys that have never

1444
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:52,439
Speaker 3: played yet.

1445
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:54,280
Speaker 2: I get it, But that's my point.

1446
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:55,800
Speaker 3: Do you want to give up a top ten pick?

1447
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:58,320
Speaker 2: That's my point. I'm just I'm just throwing this out there.

1448
01:03:58,360 --> 01:03:59,120
Speaker 3: So how about this?

1449
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:01,560
Speaker 2: Okay, dude, do you understand what I'm saying? I do.

1450
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 3: I totally understand what you're saying.

1451
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:03,479
Speaker 2: You're right.

1452
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:06,480
Speaker 3: I think everything you said is right. I wish I

1453
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 3: could argue, but this is not conducive to arguing.

1454
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:10,960
Speaker 4: I told you you just relast.

1455
01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:13,520
Speaker 2: See, I need to purpose. We need to get back

1456
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:17,240
Speaker 2: on purpose to put you at a disadvanced How.

1457
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:21,080
Speaker 3: About if you know and I we talked a lot

1458
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:23,560
Speaker 3: about the thing that Evan just mentioned about. You can't

1459
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:26,480
Speaker 3: protect the picks, but you can't put it into the future.

1460
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:29,720
Speaker 3: You know, would it be possible to say, a twenty

1461
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:33,800
Speaker 3: twenty six first round pick, whereas now Gerrod Mao and

1462
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:37,920
Speaker 3: Elliott Wolf have two full years to sort of get

1463
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:40,760
Speaker 3: out of the top ten of the draft. Yeah, you know,

1464
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:43,480
Speaker 3: like you should not be expecting to pick in the

1465
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Speaker 3: top ten two years from.

1466
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:47,120
Speaker 2: Now, right, But the forty nine ers know that too.

1467
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Speaker 3: No, I understand that.

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Speaker 5: But like if it's a second and twenty twenty five,

1469
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Speaker 5: in the first in twenty twenty six, or okay, third

1470
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Speaker 5: and the first, or something sweeten.

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Speaker 3: The other thing a lot of people have thrown in

1472
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Speaker 3: there is like Judon is a sweetener. I don't think

1473
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:03,200
Speaker 3: that that is much of a sweetener for for the

1474
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:08,120
Speaker 3: Niners unless you get into camp and things happen, you know,

1475
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:09,720
Speaker 3: maybe Nick Bosa gets hurt.

1476
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:12,320
Speaker 5: Or well, they don't have somebody quite they don't have

1477
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:17,200
Speaker 5: a definitive starter opposite and right young last year, and yeah.

1478
01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 2: So let's let's play this game. We go through this

1479
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:24,360
Speaker 2: season and Drake May is the guy. He's proven in

1480
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 2: the last ten games that he played he's going to

1481
01:05:27,080 --> 01:05:30,360
Speaker 2: be the guy. And now push I you to next year? Now,

1482
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:34,000
Speaker 2: would you pay the King's ransom to get him? Because

1483
01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:34,800
Speaker 2: now you know you got to?

1484
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:39,919
Speaker 5: Yeah, but now like that, but now he's now he's

1485
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:42,800
Speaker 5: in a franchise tag year, probably with the forty nine ers,

1486
01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:45,120
Speaker 5: So the whole trade equation changes.

1487
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:48,880
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, conditions are the same, except that now

1488
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:51,400
Speaker 2: you know Drake May's going to be a good quarter, I.

1489
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Speaker 3: Go all in as a free agent for for him. Absolutely.

1490
01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:54,479
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1491
01:05:55,040 --> 01:05:56,840
Speaker 5: If he hits, he's not going to hit. And he

1492
01:05:56,920 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 5: hits the market, yeah, he's going to be tagged. Yeah,

1493
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:01,480
Speaker 5: and then you're trading him on tag if you're the Niners,

1494
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:03,560
Speaker 5: which means you're gonna get less than if you're trading

1495
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:07,200
Speaker 5: him now just inherently you're gonna get less. But I

1496
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:09,160
Speaker 5: just feel like with him, it just comes down to

1497
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:12,080
Speaker 5: your point. Like the Houston Texans, they played a year

1498
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:14,560
Speaker 5: with c J. Stroud and Tank Dell and Nico Collins

1499
01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:17,120
Speaker 5: and they made the playoffs and won a playoff game,

1500
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:19,560
Speaker 5: had a great year, and then they made the Stefon

1501
01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:23,040
Speaker 5: Diggs trade this offseason to add him to the repertoire.

1502
01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:26,560
Speaker 5: So it's like if Jalen Polk and Javon Baker are

1503
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:30,400
Speaker 5: two good players and then next offseason you're adding Ayuke.

1504
01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:33,240
Speaker 5: That's the ideal situation. But the problem is is that

1505
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:36,720
Speaker 5: if Auk hits unrestricted free agency, what you won't So

1506
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:39,360
Speaker 5: maybe using T Higgins as better Now you have to

1507
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:41,440
Speaker 5: compete with the whole rest of the league. So now

1508
01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:44,280
Speaker 5: you have to be a more appealing spot for T

1509
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:46,800
Speaker 5: Higgins to sign, just like we had with Calvin Ridley

1510
01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:49,680
Speaker 5: this offseason. So in order to make that happen, the

1511
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:53,480
Speaker 5: Patriots have to exceed expectations and then some and be

1512
01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:56,360
Speaker 5: an attractive destination for a free agency.

1513
01:06:56,200 --> 01:07:00,800
Speaker 2: You're talking me into not doing the Ayuke deal. You're

1514
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:05,080
Speaker 2: you're talking me into waiting a year and then go

1515
01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:09,040
Speaker 2: full bore because may it may not be Ayuku's available,

1516
01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:12,120
Speaker 2: but there will be somebody of the Higgins Metcalf.

1517
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:12,720
Speaker 14: I don't think.

1518
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:16,440
Speaker 2: Higgins as good as.

1519
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:17,280
Speaker 3: He's not as good as I, but he's really good. Yeah,

1520
01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:19,200
Speaker 3: but he's a better player.

1521
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:22,280
Speaker 5: Historically speaking, that's the way that teams have done it.

1522
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:24,400
Speaker 5: It's either been going into year two or year three

1523
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:27,960
Speaker 5: for the quarterback Buffalo with Diggs, Philly with A J.

1524
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:32,000
Speaker 5: Brown Tyreek in Tua, like that's usually the year. It's

1525
01:07:32,040 --> 01:07:33,160
Speaker 5: not the rookie season for that.

1526
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:35,840
Speaker 2: So would it have been a mistake or regrettable if

1527
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:37,400
Speaker 2: they had gotten Calvin Ridley?

1528
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:39,280
Speaker 3: No, I don't think so.

1529
01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:42,240
Speaker 4: No, you know, I just think those those guys are

1530
01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:43,960
Speaker 4: only available at certain times and if you've got the

1531
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:45,560
Speaker 4: space and the money to do it, then you got

1532
01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:48,480
Speaker 4: to take a swing on him. But you're you're your

1533
01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:50,840
Speaker 4: hypothetical has got me thinking of like, where would you

1534
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:55,640
Speaker 4: stack Ayuk against last year's class with Harrison Nabors and

1535
01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:56,200
Speaker 4: a Duneesa.

1536
01:07:57,120 --> 01:08:01,280
Speaker 5: Well, again, are we comparing him when he came out?

1537
01:08:01,640 --> 01:08:06,960
Speaker 2: No, you're doing we're playing pat comparing apples and or

1538
01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:10,960
Speaker 2: I know, but you're just one's a known commodity. Everybody

1539
01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:14,160
Speaker 2: else isn't. But that's that's my point is you know

1540
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:16,240
Speaker 2: he's good now so, but why not give up?

1541
01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:19,639
Speaker 3: But what you're trying to project is what Mike just said.

1542
01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:22,920
Speaker 3: If you were in a class with those three guys

1543
01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:26,280
Speaker 3: that just went in the top fifteen picks, top nine pick,

1544
01:08:26,360 --> 01:08:30,040
Speaker 3: top nine picks, would he be considered the best of

1545
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:34,360
Speaker 3: those those four players? No, Harrison neighbors in a dudn't say,

1546
01:08:34,479 --> 01:08:38,360
Speaker 3: not even close, not even closer coming out of college.

1547
01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:42,720
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, no, what he is? Now?

1548
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:43,760
Speaker 4: Why do it?

1549
01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:46,200
Speaker 5: Why are we doing it that way?

1550
01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:50,760
Speaker 2: We're doing it that way. See Paul's going back here.

1551
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:55,559
Speaker 2: I'm saying the twenty twenty five draft. You know die

1552
01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:58,840
Speaker 2: is but just like this, but you don't really how

1553
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:00,360
Speaker 2: good they're going to be. I don't.

1554
01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:04,759
Speaker 3: I don't know that, and I know how is correct.

1555
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:07,559
Speaker 3: But if you think the guys that are coming in

1556
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:10,240
Speaker 3: are going to be better than that, I wouldn't do it.

1557
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:12,280
Speaker 3: This is what I'm trying to explain to you. That's

1558
01:09:12,320 --> 01:09:15,639
Speaker 3: the trick I guess baseball. Anybody can say.

1559
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:18,280
Speaker 2: I'm not going to It's the bird in the hand.

1560
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:21,400
Speaker 3: You have to identify which guys you think are going

1561
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:22,040
Speaker 3: to be better.

1562
01:09:22,280 --> 01:09:22,400
Speaker 1: Right.

1563
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:26,799
Speaker 2: But but but in my scenario, I know ayuk is

1564
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:30,160
Speaker 2: is that good. So I don't have to guess. I'm

1565
01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:32,320
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give a first round pick for a first

1566
01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:34,880
Speaker 2: round and you can do it that way. It makes

1567
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:37,479
Speaker 2: total sense. But what Evan's trying to tell trying to say,

1568
01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:38,960
Speaker 2: and I definitely.

1569
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:43,200
Speaker 3: Agree with you, I'm so confused he's trying to tell you,

1570
01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:45,320
Speaker 3: Marvin Harrison Roman.

1571
01:09:45,360 --> 01:09:47,120
Speaker 2: But he's going back here. I'm not going to pay.

1572
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:49,040
Speaker 3: But there are gonna be three guys just like that

1573
01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:51,519
Speaker 3: in this draft, because that's the draft in the last

1574
01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:52,200
Speaker 3: ten years.

1575
01:09:52,280 --> 01:09:53,360
Speaker 5: Until you see Luther has.

1576
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:56,439
Speaker 3: You have to decide, do you think those guys coming

1577
01:09:56,479 --> 01:09:58,880
Speaker 3: out next year will be better players than Brandon Ayuk?

1578
01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:01,840
Speaker 2: Is right nex from Marvin Harrison. I think I still

1579
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:05,080
Speaker 2: would pick Ayuk if I knew how good he's gonna be.

1580
01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:06,880
Speaker 5: I would take a Yuk over all of them, because

1581
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:09,120
Speaker 5: he's a top ten receiver in the league.

1582
01:10:09,160 --> 01:10:10,599
Speaker 2: Okay, so now you're making my point.

1583
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:12,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's not how it makes.

1584
01:10:12,479 --> 01:10:15,439
Speaker 5: Some of them might be top three, but Marvin Harrison

1585
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:17,920
Speaker 5: might be the best receiver in the league.

1586
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:20,120
Speaker 3: In your in your opinion, you would do that because

1587
01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:23,960
Speaker 3: you'll take in the known commodity. The trick for the

1588
01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:27,960
Speaker 3: decision makers, the personnel guys is to identify who they

1589
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:31,160
Speaker 3: think is the better player, not today, who will be

1590
01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:33,840
Speaker 3: the better player. Well, I'm just so if you think

1591
01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:39,320
Speaker 3: that he's better than neighbors in Adunze, no one's here

1592
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:41,639
Speaker 3: to tell you you're wrong. But Evan thinks all three

1593
01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:44,040
Speaker 3: of those guys are going to be better players than you.

1594
01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:47,080
Speaker 2: You know, go up one step. I don't think if

1595
01:10:47,080 --> 01:10:50,720
Speaker 2: it's Justin Jefferson, it's a no brainer, right Well yeah, yeah, I.

1596
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:52,120
Speaker 3: Mean I have to give you credit. You were on

1597
01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:52,599
Speaker 3: the Jefferson.

1598
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:55,559
Speaker 5: If it was anybody that's currently in the league at

1599
01:10:55,560 --> 01:10:58,120
Speaker 5: this stature, then they're all better than the prospect.

1600
01:10:58,200 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 3: But we don't know what any of those souls. But

1601
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:01,800
Speaker 3: let's just go back and this is what I'm trying

1602
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:04,840
Speaker 3: to talk about. And in the recent past, it's it's

1603
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:08,840
Speaker 3: Justin Jefferson. Yeah, it's c Dee Lamb. You know, there's

1604
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:14,120
Speaker 3: a lot of great receivers. But but Jamar Chase, it's

1605
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:16,639
Speaker 3: not just Marvin Harrison. No, I get all these guys

1606
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:18,040
Speaker 3: are better than Don't you.

1607
01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:20,720
Speaker 2: Think every personnel director would love to pick a guy

1608
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:22,559
Speaker 2: who they already know is great?

1609
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:25,000
Speaker 3: But would they would they forfeit a chance to get

1610
01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:27,200
Speaker 3: a guy who's better. That's the trick.

1611
01:11:27,320 --> 01:11:29,599
Speaker 2: It's yes, I think they would. I think they would

1612
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:32,200
Speaker 2: take I wouldn't. I think they would take the If

1613
01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:35,040
Speaker 2: I can get Justin Jefferson, knowing that how he is,

1614
01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:36,559
Speaker 2: I would take him over the.

1615
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:38,839
Speaker 3: Guest Justin Jefferson. Yes, that's not Brandon.

1616
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:41,479
Speaker 2: You mentioned Jamar Chase, you mentioned all these guys.

1617
01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:43,360
Speaker 3: All of those guys are better than Brandon Ayuk is

1618
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:45,559
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, and I agree, and I agree, and

1619
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:48,080
Speaker 3: that's what they're weighing, like, is the guy coming out

1620
01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:50,720
Speaker 3: of the draft, is he going to be better than

1621
01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:53,599
Speaker 3: Brandon Ayuki is now four years light right, like he's

1622
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:57,479
Speaker 3: going into his fifth season. Evan is telling you Marvin

1623
01:11:57,479 --> 01:12:00,600
Speaker 3: Harrison is going to be better than that, is going

1624
01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:02,880
Speaker 3: to be better than that, and Roma Dunsay is going

1625
01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:03,479
Speaker 3: to be better than that.

1626
01:12:03,479 --> 01:12:04,400
Speaker 2: And I don't know that either.

1627
01:12:04,439 --> 01:12:06,400
Speaker 3: But that's what makes it hard. I know, like we

1628
01:12:06,439 --> 01:12:08,720
Speaker 3: can sit here on our on our comfy couches and

1629
01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:12,600
Speaker 3: not argue, but just my bottom line is, and we

1630
01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:15,680
Speaker 3: we don't have any repercussions. I don't know if if

1631
01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:16,280
Speaker 3: we're wrong, but.

1632
01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:21,120
Speaker 2: John, I just don't think it's such a I just

1633
01:12:21,160 --> 01:12:24,840
Speaker 2: don't think it's so crazy to say it's not. Yeah,

1634
01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:27,080
Speaker 2: I'll give up a first round pick now for Brandon.

1635
01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:28,960
Speaker 2: I you because he's a first round talent.

1636
01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:32,640
Speaker 3: It's not crazy. But I don't think you're crazy for

1637
01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:33,320
Speaker 3: thinking that way.

1638
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:35,160
Speaker 2: But but there's a lot of people, No, we can't

1639
01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:36,400
Speaker 2: do that. I wouldn't, you know.

1640
01:12:36,479 --> 01:12:38,360
Speaker 3: I wouldn't do it because of where I am as

1641
01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:40,200
Speaker 3: a as in my rebuilding process.

1642
01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:41,519
Speaker 2: That's that's the whole thing.

1643
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:41,800
Speaker 4: I think.

1644
01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:44,439
Speaker 5: It's also just asket a real location because you also

1645
01:12:44,439 --> 01:12:46,559
Speaker 5: have to think about it, even though we don't necessarily

1646
01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:50,040
Speaker 5: think about the money. Marvin Harrison Junior is on a

1647
01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:53,519
Speaker 5: rookie contract, he's under team control for five money as

1648
01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:56,280
Speaker 5: a whole, and he's twenty one years old, whereas Brandon

1649
01:12:56,360 --> 01:12:58,599
Speaker 5: Ayuk is twenty six. You're about to pay him thirty

1650
01:12:58,600 --> 01:13:01,200
Speaker 5: million dollars a year, and he's going into year five

1651
01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:03,679
Speaker 5: of his NFL career instead of year one, And those

1652
01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:05,519
Speaker 5: things are factors in. And then you also have to

1653
01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:08,559
Speaker 5: think about they need a left tackle. And as much

1654
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:12,759
Speaker 5: as the receivers all become available in the veteran market franchise,

1655
01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:15,320
Speaker 5: left tackles do not come available in the veteran market.

1656
01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:17,720
Speaker 5: You just don't see it happen. Like, if you're that

1657
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:22,080
Speaker 5: good at that position, you're usually locked up for a

1658
01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:25,559
Speaker 5: long time with your team, or the very rare case

1659
01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:28,240
Speaker 5: of like Trent Williams happens where they get traded, but

1660
01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:31,519
Speaker 5: you're not going to see a top ten left tackle

1661
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:34,800
Speaker 5: in the league hit unrestricted free agency. Yeah, it just

1662
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:35,280
Speaker 5: doesn't happen.

1663
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:40,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and again, I think you're talking me into unless

1664
01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:43,160
Speaker 2: Kiten Wallace becomes the next left tackle that gets locked in,

1665
01:13:43,240 --> 01:13:46,040
Speaker 2: I think you're talking me into next year, use that

1666
01:13:46,120 --> 01:13:48,200
Speaker 2: first round pick on a left tackle, and then you

1667
01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:50,280
Speaker 2: go into free agency for your wide receiver.

1668
01:13:50,439 --> 01:13:54,439
Speaker 5: That's the rational thing to do, I would say, is

1669
01:13:54,479 --> 01:13:56,840
Speaker 5: to hold your water on the whole thing and just

1670
01:13:56,880 --> 01:13:59,720
Speaker 5: see what happens for this year and take this as

1671
01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:03,280
Speaker 5: a for reset, your one of a rebuild. But if

1672
01:14:03,320 --> 01:14:05,479
Speaker 5: you believe a little bit more in your team and

1673
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:07,240
Speaker 5: you think that you have a chance, again, like I

1674
01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:10,799
Speaker 5: said earlier, instead of winning four or five games, Brendan Ayuk,

1675
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:12,760
Speaker 5: we go through the whole domino effect that will now

1676
01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:14,439
Speaker 5: you have a number one receiver and it makes number

1677
01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:16,320
Speaker 5: two better and number three better, and all of a

1678
01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:18,120
Speaker 5: sudden you think you can be a ten win team.

1679
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:20,960
Speaker 5: I'm not saying that you can be. But that's the

1680
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:22,760
Speaker 5: other side of it is, if you feel like you're

1681
01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:25,880
Speaker 5: gonna outplay your expectations at that point where the draft

1682
01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:28,600
Speaker 5: pick becomes the fifteenth pick in the draft instead of

1683
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:30,040
Speaker 5: the fifth, if you had a left.

1684
01:14:29,880 --> 01:14:33,240
Speaker 2: Tackle right now that you could depend on, would you

1685
01:14:33,320 --> 01:14:36,599
Speaker 2: be more open to going after au Card?

1686
01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:38,879
Speaker 5: To me, it depends on what they feel like internally

1687
01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:41,800
Speaker 5: about Drake May. If they feel like Drake maying play

1688
01:14:41,800 --> 01:14:44,559
Speaker 5: week one, then I would go after Brandon. I you Card,

1689
01:14:44,920 --> 01:14:49,400
Speaker 5: because then you're really talking about maybe just having a

1690
01:14:49,479 --> 01:14:51,080
Speaker 5: Texans like season.

1691
01:14:51,320 --> 01:14:54,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, where like if Houston did that Digs trade last year,

1692
01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:55,920
Speaker 3: do you think they'd regret it?

1693
01:14:56,120 --> 01:14:59,080
Speaker 5: No, but they didn't know, right, Well, but they.

1694
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:02,040
Speaker 3: Didn't know, they didn't know. That's a good point.

1695
01:15:02,280 --> 01:15:06,599
Speaker 2: All right. Let's Christian is in LA. What's up? Christian?

1696
01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:11,160
Speaker 14: Hey you guys, Happy Tuesday to you, Thank you, and

1697
01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:14,599
Speaker 14: I am back in it. Los Angeles and Pacific Palace

1698
01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:16,919
Speaker 14: space overlooking Santa Monica's the beautiful.

1699
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:19,519
Speaker 3: Good for you hang out with Mike.

1700
01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:23,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, there you go.

1701
01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:26,680
Speaker 14: So two quick comments, guys, and then a question. My

1702
01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:31,000
Speaker 14: first comment is in hindsight, I have to change the

1703
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:33,799
Speaker 14: grade that I gave the draft from a B minus

1704
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:36,680
Speaker 14: to a C. Reason being is we knew we were

1705
01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:39,400
Speaker 14: going to end up with a great quarterback between Daniels

1706
01:15:39,479 --> 01:15:43,280
Speaker 14: or Or or Drake May at the top, and that

1707
01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:47,360
Speaker 14: we didn't do enough research with two high picks and

1708
01:15:47,439 --> 01:15:50,080
Speaker 14: the stuff to quit round to come out of there

1709
01:15:50,120 --> 01:15:52,759
Speaker 14: and some other picks behind that that because of package,

1710
01:15:53,240 --> 01:15:55,599
Speaker 14: that we didn't come out with a good or great

1711
01:15:55,800 --> 01:15:59,200
Speaker 14: or any tackle at all or great receiver.

1712
01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:01,880
Speaker 2: Well what if Polk ends up being good?

1713
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:04,439
Speaker 14: But we don't know that yet.

1714
01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:10,680
Speaker 2: But you're breaking up there, Santa Monica.

1715
01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:14,400
Speaker 3: That's that's tough, right. I let you go there, Christian,

1716
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:18,000
Speaker 3: Like I'm, you know, generally kind of like you know,

1717
01:16:18,040 --> 01:16:19,360
Speaker 3: you got to show me, you got to prove it.

1718
01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:23,840
Speaker 3: But like I find it hard to go from May first,

1719
01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:28,240
Speaker 3: I thought it was X and on July twenty fourth.

1720
01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:31,960
Speaker 3: I think it's why, like what happened between.

1721
01:16:31,880 --> 01:16:33,479
Speaker 4: I had trouble hearing, like what he was saying and

1722
01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:34,120
Speaker 4: what you were saying.

1723
01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:36,040
Speaker 3: He thought the draft was a B or a B

1724
01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:39,600
Speaker 3: minus and now he thinks it's a C. Like they haven't.

1725
01:16:39,360 --> 01:16:41,880
Speaker 4: Well, but I think he was too you saying that,

1726
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:43,360
Speaker 4: you know, like I think he said, like they didn't

1727
01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:45,240
Speaker 4: do their research, they didn't understand I mean, I think

1728
01:16:45,240 --> 01:16:47,519
Speaker 4: they understood the board. It's just that's how it felt like.

1729
01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:49,120
Speaker 4: It's that you can't get every guy you want, not

1730
01:16:49,160 --> 01:16:51,000
Speaker 4: every team wants to make a deal. I'm sure they were,

1731
01:16:51,320 --> 01:16:53,080
Speaker 4: you know, active. We heard that they were trying to

1732
01:16:53,120 --> 01:16:54,599
Speaker 4: move around and get different guy.

1733
01:16:54,920 --> 01:16:58,439
Speaker 3: But what if Jalen Polk is better than.

1734
01:17:00,439 --> 01:17:01,160
Speaker 2: Really personal?

1735
01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:03,280
Speaker 3: You know, I can't even think of all the guys

1736
01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:06,519
Speaker 3: that went late in the first round, Xavior led xavierget

1737
01:17:06,720 --> 01:17:08,040
Speaker 3: was the one I was thinking of because that's the

1738
01:17:08,080 --> 01:17:11,160
Speaker 3: guy I think the Patriots were trying to trade up together.

1739
01:17:11,439 --> 01:17:12,960
Speaker 3: What if Jalen Polk's a better player?

1740
01:17:13,439 --> 01:17:16,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's the biggest The second guesses are

1741
01:17:17,040 --> 01:17:20,599
Speaker 5: did they could they have been more proactive with the board? Yeah,

1742
01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:23,280
Speaker 5: that's the same and I I and what were they

1743
01:17:24,240 --> 01:17:27,559
Speaker 5: It felt like they drove a pretty hard bargain to

1744
01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:31,599
Speaker 5: make those trade ups that they were reportedly interested in making,

1745
01:17:32,280 --> 01:17:35,479
Speaker 5: to the point where did they haggle over like a

1746
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:38,799
Speaker 5: twenty twenty five fourth round pick and they just wouldn't

1747
01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:41,439
Speaker 5: part with that pick. And now you have Jalen Polk

1748
01:17:41,479 --> 01:17:44,320
Speaker 5: instead of Xavier Legett. And if Xavier la gets a

1749
01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:47,759
Speaker 5: stunt and Jalen Polk isn't, then unfortunately.

1750
01:17:47,200 --> 01:17:49,000
Speaker 3: And it goes from a beatless seat like that that

1751
01:17:49,160 --> 01:17:51,599
Speaker 3: I would totally understand, but we haven't seen anything.

1752
01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:54,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean they went they picked Jalen Polk in

1753
01:17:54,880 --> 01:17:57,280
Speaker 5: a cluster of wide receivers that.

1754
01:17:57,240 --> 01:17:59,639
Speaker 2: Went and like Leet went to the cheese right, No,

1755
01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:04,280
Speaker 2: the Panthers. Okay, who's the guy that's hooking up Worthy?

1756
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:04,519
Speaker 14: Not?

1757
01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:05,280
Speaker 1: Yes?

1758
01:18:06,520 --> 01:18:10,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, so you know he Xavier Worthy, Xavier Loguet, Lad

1759
01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:14,680
Speaker 5: McConkie Keon Coleman, Jalen Polk. All these guys went in

1760
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:16,120
Speaker 5: like the span of ten picks.

1761
01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:19,960
Speaker 3: That's this year's version of Taekwon Thornton, Alec Pierce, George

1762
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:25,720
Speaker 3: Pickens and the little guy from Kansas City Sky Moore.

1763
01:18:26,040 --> 01:18:30,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, or Nikhil Harry a J Brown debo Sama Kerry McLaurin.

1764
01:18:30,520 --> 01:18:32,639
Speaker 5: So if this ends up being that they got Nikhil

1765
01:18:32,680 --> 01:18:35,760
Speaker 5: Harry and you know, Xavier gets a J Brown, which

1766
01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:37,120
Speaker 5: is a comp that a lot of people use for

1767
01:18:37,200 --> 01:18:40,040
Speaker 5: Xavier Loget, ironically, then they screwed up.

1768
01:18:40,120 --> 01:18:42,400
Speaker 3: So what I would have you know, sort of second

1769
01:18:42,479 --> 01:18:47,040
Speaker 3: guest is And we talked about this a lot heading

1770
01:18:47,080 --> 01:18:49,799
Speaker 3: into the draft, the depth a receiver as opposed to tackle.

1771
01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:52,160
Speaker 3: I would have been more aggressive trying to move up

1772
01:18:52,200 --> 01:18:54,160
Speaker 3: into the bottom of the first round to get a tackle,

1773
01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:58,600
Speaker 3: you know, a true left tackle, and worried about the

1774
01:18:58,640 --> 01:19:01,760
Speaker 3: receiver later and said, Okay, maybe I maybe I lose

1775
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:05,559
Speaker 3: out on Jalen Polk, but I can probably get a

1776
01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:08,559
Speaker 3: receiver that I'm gonna feel okay about in the third round.

1777
01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:11,479
Speaker 3: When they got one in the fourth round that we're

1778
01:19:11,479 --> 01:19:12,559
Speaker 3: all pretty excited about.

1779
01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:14,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, they probably you know, I think the biggest thing

1780
01:19:14,680 --> 01:19:18,120
Speaker 5: with was left You said left tackle. Yeah, And a

1781
01:19:18,160 --> 01:19:21,400
Speaker 5: lot of the players in this draft once you started

1782
01:19:21,400 --> 01:19:25,559
Speaker 5: to get past that, Amarius Mims, like Tyler Geiton Wave,

1783
01:19:26,280 --> 01:19:28,879
Speaker 5: A lot of those guys were right tackles in college

1784
01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:32,479
Speaker 5: or fringe starters, right. But you would have been talking

1785
01:19:32,520 --> 01:19:35,640
Speaker 5: about moving up to like, you know, twenty like you

1786
01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:37,080
Speaker 5: would have had to move. You would have had to

1787
01:19:37,160 --> 01:19:40,000
Speaker 5: jump teams in the early twenties. You know, for those

1788
01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:44,240
Speaker 5: last couple of what of left tackle types, you know, Kingsley,

1789
01:19:44,280 --> 01:19:46,760
Speaker 5: Sue Mattia will be the second guest at tackle. They

1790
01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:49,639
Speaker 5: could have moved up ten spots and jumped Kansas City

1791
01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:52,160
Speaker 5: at the back end of the second round and taken

1792
01:19:52,200 --> 01:19:55,160
Speaker 5: Sue Mattia, who apparently is getting some reps at left

1793
01:19:55,160 --> 01:19:57,720
Speaker 5: tackle already in Chiefs camp. It's like day two of

1794
01:19:57,760 --> 01:19:58,320
Speaker 5: Chiefs camp.

1795
01:19:58,439 --> 01:20:00,960
Speaker 4: Plug on, I sag Joe Tunian work out great.

1796
01:20:01,479 --> 01:20:04,200
Speaker 3: What interior line? Did you see those those positional rankings?

1797
01:20:04,280 --> 01:20:07,040
Speaker 3: I know that Humphrey, but all three of those Kansas

1798
01:20:07,080 --> 01:20:09,240
Speaker 3: City guys were in the top ten of that. You

1799
01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:12,800
Speaker 3: know it's Tony Humphreys, and I forget the other guy's name.

1800
01:20:12,840 --> 01:20:16,880
Speaker 3: You probably know will something right, No, I don't know, if.

1801
01:20:18,280 --> 01:20:20,639
Speaker 2: Not familiar. In other words, Kansas City has a good line.

1802
01:20:20,680 --> 01:20:25,760
Speaker 3: I don't know Wells, although they're better, they were better

1803
01:20:25,840 --> 01:20:28,639
Speaker 3: last year. But when I come to.

1804
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:33,400
Speaker 4: Go on, who is the right guard for the Chiefs.

1805
01:20:33,479 --> 01:20:35,040
Speaker 5: The left guard for the Chiefs is a pretty damn

1806
01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:36,800
Speaker 5: good player. I don't know if you can for a

1807
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:38,559
Speaker 5: little bit, Actually, yeah, why can't we get plays?

1808
01:20:41,400 --> 01:20:43,840
Speaker 2: Eric and Maryland writes in web radio at pages dot

1809
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:47,519
Speaker 2: com two questions. It may just be the typical internet

1810
01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:51,880
Speaker 2: off season nonsense, but I've seen rumblings about possible expansion.

1811
01:20:52,360 --> 01:20:54,920
Speaker 2: If that were the case, what cities would you like

1812
01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:58,479
Speaker 2: to see get a franchise. I imagine, yeah, I haven't

1813
01:20:58,520 --> 01:21:00,080
Speaker 2: seen that. I imagine there would.

1814
01:20:59,880 --> 01:21:03,519
Speaker 3: Have to be uh, Saint Louis.

1815
01:21:04,240 --> 01:21:07,320
Speaker 2: I think San Antonio Austin maybe a logical choice. It's

1816
01:21:07,320 --> 01:21:10,719
Speaker 2: the largest city without a football team, among other reasons.

1817
01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:13,760
Speaker 2: So where would you if you expanded? Where would you

1818
01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:14,840
Speaker 2: like expansion?

1819
01:21:15,640 --> 01:21:16,400
Speaker 5: Maybe Canada?

1820
01:21:17,080 --> 01:21:20,519
Speaker 2: Well, I think Toronto makes sense, but doesn't Buffalo have

1821
01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:23,400
Speaker 2: a thing like you can't be that close or something

1822
01:21:23,439 --> 01:21:27,839
Speaker 2: like that. Maybe once upon a time, Yeah, yeah, especially

1823
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:29,599
Speaker 2: now that they've just built twice Canada World.

1824
01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:32,400
Speaker 4: We're like looking at like Germany and Brazil South America.

1825
01:21:32,479 --> 01:21:36,240
Speaker 2: Like, right, if you're going to go international with a team,

1826
01:21:36,280 --> 01:21:39,759
Speaker 2: you've got to come up with a whole division of teams.

1827
01:21:39,880 --> 01:21:42,559
Speaker 2: You can't just have one team in London. You got

1828
01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:45,240
Speaker 2: to do that so they can play each other and

1829
01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:46,320
Speaker 2: then they go on the road.

1830
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:48,960
Speaker 4: You know, I just think thirty he was such a

1831
01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:51,680
Speaker 4: good number, like going back to the sixteen seventeen eighteen thing,

1832
01:21:51,720 --> 01:21:54,320
Speaker 4: like sixteen was a perfect number. Eighteen is better than seventeen,

1833
01:21:54,360 --> 01:21:57,600
Speaker 4: but just thirty two teams, it's just right. Conferences and

1834
01:21:57,760 --> 01:22:00,320
Speaker 4: divisions and four teams and it's just so neat and it.

1835
01:22:00,400 --> 01:22:02,840
Speaker 5: Just bugged me quarterbacks for thirty.

1836
01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:05,679
Speaker 3: I don't like the fact that four teams in the divisions,

1837
01:22:05,720 --> 01:22:07,720
Speaker 3: you only have to be one of the best one

1838
01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:13,000
Speaker 3: of four. But me, I certainly wouldn't advocate adding, you know,

1839
01:22:13,080 --> 01:22:13,679
Speaker 3: eight teams.

1840
01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:16,240
Speaker 4: Right well, I was just getting at it with the talent.

1841
01:22:16,280 --> 01:22:17,920
Speaker 4: Is there enough quarterbacks? I mean, is it's just going

1842
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:18,760
Speaker 4: to be you know, to.

1843
01:22:18,840 --> 01:22:20,960
Speaker 3: Be the talent period, not even just cool. I mean,

1844
01:22:21,040 --> 01:22:24,840
Speaker 3: quarterbacks is obviously the high profile, but it just to

1845
01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:26,880
Speaker 3: start enough left tackles either, Yeah.

1846
01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:28,960
Speaker 5: There's not enough tackles. There's not enough quarterbacks. And now

1847
01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:32,680
Speaker 5: we're already watching a lot of bad quarterback play. Once

1848
01:22:32,720 --> 01:22:34,439
Speaker 5: we get into the season and people get hurt and

1849
01:22:34,479 --> 01:22:36,559
Speaker 5: things like that. Now you're gonna add two more teams,

1850
01:22:37,200 --> 01:22:38,280
Speaker 5: it's going to be even more bad.

1851
01:22:38,400 --> 01:22:41,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's Saint Louis is the is the

1852
01:22:41,240 --> 01:22:44,840
Speaker 3: market that everybody seems to think is so unfair that

1853
01:22:44,880 --> 01:22:46,000
Speaker 3: they lost the you know.

1854
01:22:45,960 --> 01:22:47,559
Speaker 4: But it's just but it makes me think that what

1855
01:22:47,640 --> 01:22:49,600
Speaker 4: it's the next frontier though, because there's not going to

1856
01:22:49,600 --> 01:22:51,040
Speaker 4: be an end to this. They're going to get to

1857
01:22:51,080 --> 01:22:53,719
Speaker 4: eighteen games, they're going to get to having teams around,

1858
01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:55,840
Speaker 4: you know, not teams around the world playing games around

1859
01:22:55,840 --> 01:22:57,680
Speaker 4: the world.

1860
01:22:56,160 --> 01:23:02,800
Speaker 3: But I have no interest whatsoever in international teams. If

1861
01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:05,479
Speaker 3: that happened, if if there's like a European division, like

1862
01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:07,360
Speaker 3: I'm ouse.

1863
01:23:07,800 --> 01:23:11,280
Speaker 2: Well what if? What if? What if they looked at

1864
01:23:11,280 --> 01:23:16,599
Speaker 2: the bottom four performing teams revenue? Why like jackson You know,

1865
01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:19,080
Speaker 2: now Jacksonville's building a new stadium too. But let's just

1866
01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:22,280
Speaker 2: say four teams picked up and left and became those

1867
01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:25,559
Speaker 2: international teams. Would that be okay? It's still thirty two too.

1868
01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:27,120
Speaker 3: You wouldn't like it. No, it has nothing to do

1869
01:23:27,160 --> 01:23:29,160
Speaker 3: if you want to make more teams, I'd rather have

1870
01:23:29,240 --> 01:23:31,839
Speaker 3: that than the international.

1871
01:23:31,200 --> 01:23:33,080
Speaker 2: But I get the point about the talent tool too.

1872
01:23:33,439 --> 01:23:36,680
Speaker 3: I took a thousand percent right about the talent, but

1873
01:23:37,479 --> 01:23:39,519
Speaker 3: I just don't like the idea of I just think

1874
01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:40,320
Speaker 3: it's so greedy.

1875
01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:43,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, that's and that's what you get at. It's like,

1876
01:23:43,320 --> 01:23:45,400
Speaker 4: you get eighteen games, what's next? You know, every it's

1877
01:23:45,439 --> 01:23:47,160
Speaker 4: just what's next? How can we can? You know?

1878
01:23:47,320 --> 01:23:50,160
Speaker 5: It just feels like they're doing so many things to

1879
01:23:50,200 --> 01:23:52,719
Speaker 5: threaten the product on the field, right, Like the product

1880
01:23:52,720 --> 01:23:55,080
Speaker 5: on the field some Sundays is already kind of bad.

1881
01:23:55,479 --> 01:23:58,200
Speaker 5: And and now they're just an extra game, an extra team,

1882
01:23:58,240 --> 01:23:58,760
Speaker 5: like they're just.

1883
01:23:58,640 --> 01:24:02,679
Speaker 3: Doing things and Christmas Day like that, all of those

1884
01:24:02,760 --> 01:24:05,639
Speaker 3: little things pick away. I mean to me, at the town,

1885
01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:07,439
Speaker 3: at the level of the product.

1886
01:24:07,800 --> 01:24:09,519
Speaker 4: Maybe this is a bad comparison, but do you feel

1887
01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:12,200
Speaker 4: like baseball didn't change anything? And that's a bad way

1888
01:24:12,240 --> 01:24:14,000
Speaker 4: to go, like because they for the longest time, the

1889
01:24:14,040 --> 01:24:16,640
Speaker 4: game just became stale. It became long. They had to

1890
01:24:16,680 --> 01:24:19,320
Speaker 4: introduce they had to change the game because people were

1891
01:24:19,320 --> 01:24:20,000
Speaker 4: falling out of it.

1892
01:24:20,040 --> 01:24:20,880
Speaker 2: Were they too slow?

1893
01:24:21,280 --> 01:24:23,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, like were they too slow? But at the same time,

1894
01:24:23,240 --> 01:24:24,800
Speaker 4: sometimes I think we all feel the NFL is a

1895
01:24:24,840 --> 01:24:27,120
Speaker 4: little too fast where it's like, no, this is like

1896
01:24:27,160 --> 01:24:28,840
Speaker 4: you got something good going right here, Like it's a

1897
01:24:28,840 --> 01:24:30,120
Speaker 4: good game, it's competitive, you know.

1898
01:24:30,360 --> 01:24:32,920
Speaker 3: But they changed the rules all the time. The NFL

1899
01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:35,280
Speaker 3: does it a lot. Some of them. We sit here

1900
01:24:35,320 --> 01:24:37,160
Speaker 3: and we talk about, oh, that was a really smart thing,

1901
01:24:37,200 --> 01:24:39,360
Speaker 3: you know, like why shouldn't you have an extra challenge

1902
01:24:39,360 --> 01:24:42,120
Speaker 3: if you're right, you know, those kinds of things, and

1903
01:24:42,160 --> 01:24:46,040
Speaker 3: then someone that we criticize, I think those things are fine,

1904
01:24:46,479 --> 01:24:49,639
Speaker 3: but when you start, you know, I think when you're

1905
01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:55,080
Speaker 3: playing more games and more countries more, you know, like

1906
01:24:55,640 --> 01:24:57,479
Speaker 3: that kind of stuff. I think is when you're really

1907
01:24:57,520 --> 01:24:58,879
Speaker 3: testing the thing backfire.

1908
01:24:59,080 --> 01:25:03,120
Speaker 2: Second question for me American Maryland is for Matt, what

1909
01:25:03,240 --> 01:25:07,559
Speaker 2: is marine's favorite flavor crayon? Like, do you have what

1910
01:25:07,680 --> 01:25:07,840
Speaker 2: you have?

1911
01:25:07,920 --> 01:25:09,360
Speaker 4: Little kids?

1912
01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:10,880
Speaker 2: What's your favorite color crayon?

1913
01:25:10,920 --> 01:25:12,360
Speaker 7: It's a very funny marine joke.

1914
01:25:12,520 --> 01:25:14,880
Speaker 2: I can't hear you, Mango. What do you say?

1915
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:18,880
Speaker 7: That's a very funny marine joke. Oh, it's a marine

1916
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:21,000
Speaker 7: joke that marines eight croyons because we're idiots.

1917
01:25:21,560 --> 01:25:22,480
Speaker 2: What do you say?

1918
01:25:22,600 --> 01:25:23,000
Speaker 4: Marines?

1919
01:25:23,760 --> 01:25:27,519
Speaker 7: Marines apparently eat crayons because we're not the smartest. We're

1920
01:25:27,520 --> 01:25:29,040
Speaker 7: in better shape than the army, so we running.

1921
01:25:29,400 --> 01:25:31,559
Speaker 4: I would get like eating those markers that smell like

1922
01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:33,120
Speaker 4: when you're a kid, like I would maybe would take

1923
01:25:33,120 --> 01:25:33,320
Speaker 4: a bite.

1924
01:25:33,360 --> 01:25:33,800
Speaker 3: I don't want to.

1925
01:25:33,960 --> 01:25:35,120
Speaker 7: Only only the army would make that.

1926
01:25:35,280 --> 01:25:35,519
Speaker 1: I don't.

1927
01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:38,080
Speaker 5: I don't care for that joke they got this is.

1928
01:25:38,080 --> 01:25:41,720
Speaker 4: America something that's rude.

1929
01:25:42,520 --> 01:25:44,240
Speaker 3: If you happen to see any Oh, I'm sorry.

1930
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:45,880
Speaker 2: Was more than yeah. He also says bring back to

1931
01:25:45,960 --> 01:25:49,280
Speaker 2: silver pants, which I agree, it's a popular sentiment, and

1932
01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:51,920
Speaker 2: get rid of the blue pants. Bring back to silver pants.

1933
01:25:51,640 --> 01:25:54,040
Speaker 5: It's an easy fixes everybody does.

1934
01:25:54,080 --> 01:25:56,599
Speaker 3: Everybody hate the blue pants because they don't win in.

1935
01:25:56,560 --> 01:25:59,720
Speaker 5: Them, because they don't has nothing to do with the

1936
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:00,479
Speaker 5: blue one blue.

1937
01:26:00,520 --> 01:26:01,720
Speaker 4: I don't want blue.

1938
01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:03,200
Speaker 5: The blueberry look is awful.

1939
01:26:03,400 --> 01:26:03,960
Speaker 3: To much blue.

1940
01:26:04,040 --> 01:26:04,559
Speaker 5: It's tough.

1941
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:07,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't mind the white and blue. No, but

1942
01:26:07,720 --> 01:26:09,639
Speaker 2: I don't like the blue one blue. So when you're

1943
01:26:09,680 --> 01:26:12,639
Speaker 2: wearing the blue shirts, you should have the silver pants, agreed.

1944
01:26:12,760 --> 01:26:14,240
Speaker 4: I just I still feel like I'm waiting for the

1945
01:26:14,280 --> 01:26:17,080
Speaker 4: Dynasty uniforms to come back, march back out of that tunnel.

1946
01:26:17,080 --> 01:26:19,280
Speaker 4: Like I still feel like I'm watching like a weird

1947
01:26:19,640 --> 01:26:21,880
Speaker 4: like Patriots exhibition game where they're wearing the wrong you know,

1948
01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:23,240
Speaker 4: like when are we going to just get back to

1949
01:26:23,360 --> 01:26:25,280
Speaker 4: like the Patriots that I got to know that.

1950
01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:27,000
Speaker 3: Particular evoke their uniforms.

1951
01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:29,760
Speaker 4: You don't like those ones, no, because they want too

1952
01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:30,519
Speaker 4: much on them.

1953
01:26:30,840 --> 01:26:34,280
Speaker 3: No, obviously I would go back to those for that reason. No,

1954
01:26:34,800 --> 01:26:37,760
Speaker 3: But in all seriousness, I always found it an odd

1955
01:26:37,880 --> 01:26:41,160
Speaker 3: choice to have that much success and change your uniform.

1956
01:26:41,320 --> 01:26:43,960
Speaker 3: The teams that changed the uniforms are looking generally for

1957
01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:48,960
Speaker 3: a change of direction. I said, new era or money, right,

1958
01:26:49,000 --> 01:26:51,719
Speaker 3: you know, I mean when parcels came in in ninety three.

1959
01:26:52,080 --> 01:26:54,160
Speaker 3: It was like a fresh start, like new you know,

1960
01:26:54,280 --> 01:26:57,320
Speaker 3: like new coach comes in, We're going to change our

1961
01:26:57,520 --> 01:26:59,920
Speaker 3: entire color scheme. They that's when they went from the

1962
01:27:00,040 --> 01:27:03,200
Speaker 3: red to the blue. Initially, that made sense to me.

1963
01:27:03,240 --> 01:27:05,479
Speaker 3: It was a new era. You were in the bottom

1964
01:27:05,479 --> 01:27:09,080
Speaker 3: of the league. This is the brand change, this is

1965
01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:11,080
Speaker 3: the time you do it. The Patriots had the best

1966
01:27:11,080 --> 01:27:13,400
Speaker 3: twenty years stretch in the history of professional sports and

1967
01:27:13,439 --> 01:27:15,920
Speaker 3: decided to change their uniforms. But it made no sense

1968
01:27:15,960 --> 01:27:19,760
Speaker 3: to me. I'm hoping, no offense. It's like San Francisco though, no,

1969
01:27:19,840 --> 01:27:21,160
Speaker 3: I mean like above, no.

1970
01:27:21,240 --> 01:27:22,920
Speaker 4: Remember with San Francisco, they like did all of a

1971
01:27:22,920 --> 01:27:24,880
Speaker 4: sudden they got like three D numbers and they started

1972
01:27:24,920 --> 01:27:29,559
Speaker 4: messing with it. It's like San Francisco, Dallas, Pittsburgh, Green Bay.

1973
01:27:30,080 --> 01:27:32,040
Speaker 4: These are the dynasties of the NFL. And when you

1974
01:27:32,040 --> 01:27:33,760
Speaker 4: see those teams on the league, you don't even need

1975
01:27:33,760 --> 01:27:35,320
Speaker 4: to look at who it is. You know exactly who

1976
01:27:35,320 --> 01:27:36,800
Speaker 4: it is. And I don't feel like that with the

1977
01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:39,120
Speaker 4: Patriots anymore. I feel like, like you said, Paul, they you.

1978
01:27:39,160 --> 01:27:42,440
Speaker 3: Know, rebranded when just because I didn't particularly love the uniforms.

1979
01:27:42,960 --> 01:27:45,880
Speaker 3: Look what they did in those uniforms. You know, they

1980
01:27:45,880 --> 01:27:47,719
Speaker 3: got twenty years of dominance right again.

1981
01:27:47,720 --> 01:27:49,160
Speaker 4: And I just will put it back to as a

1982
01:27:49,200 --> 01:27:53,320
Speaker 4: fan the visual of the feeling of those uniforms that like,

1983
01:27:53,560 --> 01:27:55,920
Speaker 4: this is the these are Patriots.

1984
01:27:55,880 --> 01:27:58,200
Speaker 3: The red, white, and blue the late seventies when you

1985
01:27:58,280 --> 01:27:59,519
Speaker 3: red pants with the white.

1986
01:27:59,280 --> 01:28:01,120
Speaker 2: Shirts and would like that's for you.

1987
01:28:01,160 --> 01:28:03,000
Speaker 4: But I mean, you know, and but for a lot

1988
01:28:03,080 --> 01:28:05,160
Speaker 4: of fans who watched the Dynasty and we're sot, you know,

1989
01:28:05,280 --> 01:28:07,080
Speaker 4: like I don't know, I still feel like I'm waiting

1990
01:28:07,080 --> 01:28:08,040
Speaker 4: to watch never wanted them.

1991
01:28:09,040 --> 01:28:12,120
Speaker 5: All the jersey stuff is all about money, and it's

1992
01:28:12,200 --> 01:28:14,200
Speaker 5: all because they reprint the jerseys and now you have

1993
01:28:14,240 --> 01:28:16,880
Speaker 5: to buy the new jersey. And like the Bruins have

1994
01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:18,719
Speaker 5: like ten different kits.

1995
01:28:18,760 --> 01:28:21,640
Speaker 4: If they want to Drake made Dynasty jersey in that

1996
01:28:21,720 --> 01:28:23,880
Speaker 4: pro shop right now, the thing would sell like hot.

1997
01:28:24,120 --> 01:28:24,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1998
01:28:24,360 --> 01:28:27,160
Speaker 3: And then the Dynasty jersey now there.

1999
01:28:27,200 --> 01:28:30,160
Speaker 5: Now the Bruins are going back to the original Bruins uniform.

2000
01:28:30,240 --> 01:28:32,680
Speaker 5: So if you bought the centennial one, now it's that's

2001
01:28:32,760 --> 01:28:37,040
Speaker 5: all going back. The Celtics are adding jersey like that's

2002
01:28:37,040 --> 01:28:40,360
Speaker 5: what all these teams do they the NBA. You're right,

2003
01:28:40,360 --> 01:28:42,280
Speaker 5: it's it's all about money, Yeah, because you have to

2004
01:28:42,280 --> 01:28:43,120
Speaker 5: buy the new jersey.

2005
01:28:43,240 --> 01:28:45,880
Speaker 3: But the NBA teams they all have like eight combinations

2006
01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:46,360
Speaker 3: now I know.

2007
01:28:46,479 --> 01:28:49,400
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, the Celtics have the City connector Red Sox

2008
01:28:49,439 --> 01:28:50,719
Speaker 5: with the City Connect jerseys.

2009
01:28:50,760 --> 01:28:52,599
Speaker 3: Like it's all about at least the Bruins like it was.

2010
01:28:52,760 --> 01:28:55,120
Speaker 3: They were celebrating a centennial, so it was a special

2011
01:28:55,200 --> 01:28:57,800
Speaker 3: uniform for the one hundredth year. Like even though I

2012
01:28:57,800 --> 01:29:00,320
Speaker 3: didn't like them, I got what they were.

2013
01:29:01,000 --> 01:29:02,040
Speaker 4: I didn't want too many arms.

2014
01:29:04,040 --> 01:29:06,479
Speaker 5: Saw the whole thing together, like the top and the

2015
01:29:06,479 --> 01:29:07,799
Speaker 5: bottom together on a player.

2016
01:29:08,400 --> 01:29:10,519
Speaker 2: It's the best uniform in the four major sports.

2017
01:29:10,800 --> 01:29:11,840
Speaker 5: Celtics green white.

2018
01:29:12,240 --> 01:29:18,200
Speaker 2: Really, yeah, you're wrong, that's okay.

2019
01:29:18,680 --> 01:29:21,280
Speaker 4: Oh my god, we couldn't say that, but.

2020
01:29:21,280 --> 01:29:23,320
Speaker 2: You hear the objective.

2021
01:29:23,400 --> 01:29:29,280
Speaker 3: I really really like the Red Sox road uniforms. Now, okay,

2022
01:29:28,640 --> 01:29:32,439
Speaker 3: the gray with the red you know and the names

2023
01:29:32,439 --> 01:29:32,960
Speaker 3: in the back.

2024
01:29:34,320 --> 01:29:38,240
Speaker 2: What about the Cardinals white with the best uniforms in sports.

2025
01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:41,240
Speaker 3: I've never been like a lot of people will do

2026
01:29:41,320 --> 01:29:44,160
Speaker 3: what what Deuce just did, and like, oh the Raiders

2027
01:29:44,200 --> 01:29:47,160
Speaker 3: Classic the Colts class never did anything for me.

2028
01:29:47,520 --> 01:29:51,240
Speaker 2: No, I like the Raiders uniforms and I'm upset about that.

2029
01:29:52,880 --> 01:29:57,280
Speaker 3: I don't know who I would pick. Yeah, I kind

2030
01:29:57,280 --> 01:30:00,600
Speaker 3: of like the Dolphins hawkwamarine uniforms.

2031
01:30:00,720 --> 01:30:04,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't understand how men fawn over the powder

2032
01:30:04,320 --> 01:30:06,160
Speaker 2: blue of the Chargers.

2033
01:30:06,479 --> 01:30:08,360
Speaker 5: You know what a nice man.

2034
01:30:09,640 --> 01:30:11,519
Speaker 4: I like the powder blue.

2035
01:30:12,160 --> 01:30:15,240
Speaker 3: I liked the when they used to wear the yellow pants.

2036
01:30:15,640 --> 01:30:19,920
Speaker 3: Pretty much anything in the seventies answer seventies I likedies.

2037
01:30:20,040 --> 01:30:22,679
Speaker 3: I think the seventies should have. That was the Cleveland

2038
01:30:22,680 --> 01:30:26,479
Speaker 3: Browns with the brown uniforms with the orange pants.

2039
01:30:26,520 --> 01:30:29,000
Speaker 2: I mean, oh, some of the baseball uniforms of the seventies,

2040
01:30:29,040 --> 01:30:32,880
Speaker 2: like the Padres. Oh man, the Pirates.

2041
01:30:33,840 --> 01:30:40,599
Speaker 3: Astros, you like that stuff. So I did like the color.

2042
01:30:40,960 --> 01:30:44,960
Speaker 3: But you know one look I didn't like from that era,

2043
01:30:45,200 --> 01:30:47,640
Speaker 3: the old box hat that like the pill whatever what

2044
01:30:47,680 --> 01:30:49,800
Speaker 3: do they call that? The hats? So the Pirates had them,

2045
01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:51,040
Speaker 3: the Cardinals had them.

2046
01:30:51,160 --> 01:30:51,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hate that.

2047
01:30:53,200 --> 01:30:55,920
Speaker 3: I just I didn't like the look of those hats.

2048
01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:56,559
Speaker 2: I hated him.

2049
01:30:57,200 --> 01:30:58,920
Speaker 3: And we got them for c Yo one year.

2050
01:30:59,400 --> 01:31:03,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, you didn't wear it, No, you slammed down the sub.

2051
01:31:03,560 --> 01:31:05,719
Speaker 3: You had to wear it. But I always looked funny

2052
01:31:05,720 --> 01:31:06,160
Speaker 3: on my head.

2053
01:31:06,200 --> 01:31:09,880
Speaker 4: Well, hats am I misthinking? Like I remember having a

2054
01:31:09,920 --> 01:31:12,320
Speaker 4: red Sox painter cap and everybody had those. They were like.

2055
01:31:13,120 --> 01:31:16,719
Speaker 3: Records pins caps. They got huge in like the late

2056
01:31:16,800 --> 01:31:21,920
Speaker 3: seventies early eighties, but they were like they were boxy,

2057
01:31:22,040 --> 01:31:24,280
Speaker 3: like they had like the stripes around the side. There

2058
01:31:24,280 --> 01:31:26,840
Speaker 3: were real baseball hats, but they had like a flat top.

2059
01:31:26,920 --> 01:31:27,400
Speaker 2: Look at them.

2060
01:31:28,520 --> 01:31:29,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, not good.

2061
01:31:30,080 --> 01:31:34,439
Speaker 3: Pittsburgh, Saint Louis, who else? Someone else had them too.

2062
01:31:34,880 --> 01:31:37,400
Speaker 3: It was like three teams. Yeah, I can't think now.

2063
01:31:38,200 --> 01:31:40,920
Speaker 2: I've been meaning to read this email for a while,

2064
01:31:41,000 --> 01:31:43,880
Speaker 2: he wrote in a couple of times. Jay Lassard, he's

2065
01:31:43,920 --> 01:31:47,720
Speaker 2: president of the Tampa, New England Patriots Fan Club, and

2066
01:31:47,760 --> 01:31:49,320
Speaker 2: he says that with it being the off season and

2067
01:31:49,400 --> 01:31:52,680
Speaker 2: training camp, I thought it was the perfect time to

2068
01:31:52,720 --> 01:31:55,080
Speaker 2: see if you could take a moment to talk about

2069
01:31:55,080 --> 01:31:57,400
Speaker 2: all the amazing fan clubs we have across the United

2070
01:31:57,439 --> 01:32:00,519
Speaker 2: States in the world. I can attest that attending Patriots

2071
01:32:00,520 --> 01:32:03,240
Speaker 2: watch party hosted by a local group is the most

2072
01:32:03,240 --> 01:32:05,639
Speaker 2: fun you can have on a Sunday if you happen

2073
01:32:05,680 --> 01:32:08,120
Speaker 2: to be a fan living outside the New England region.

2074
01:32:08,640 --> 01:32:09,400
Speaker 9: What he.

2075
01:32:12,479 --> 01:32:15,560
Speaker 5: Just leaves when we're talking about the fan club to

2076
01:32:15,640 --> 01:32:17,559
Speaker 5: fix it and then he knocks the camera.

2077
01:32:18,800 --> 01:32:20,679
Speaker 3: Anyway, you got the back of friend's head.

2078
01:32:20,760 --> 01:32:22,440
Speaker 5: Now screw the fans.

2079
01:32:22,680 --> 01:32:24,559
Speaker 2: He says, it's great to be in a watch party

2080
01:32:24,600 --> 01:32:27,760
Speaker 2: hosted by a fan club. I can also tell you that, unfortunately,

2081
01:32:27,840 --> 01:32:29,960
Speaker 2: a lot of the Patriots fans spread across the States

2082
01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:34,000
Speaker 2: are completely unaware that these fan clubs exist. The Patriots

2083
01:32:34,040 --> 01:32:37,280
Speaker 2: do a great job with their fanclub registrant Patriots dot com,

2084
01:32:37,320 --> 01:32:40,200
Speaker 2: but the more we can educate Patriots Nation on the

2085
01:32:40,240 --> 01:32:42,960
Speaker 2: fact that these clubs exist, the better. I urge all

2086
01:32:43,040 --> 01:32:46,400
Speaker 2: listeners to look up a local fan club in your

2087
01:32:46,479 --> 01:32:49,920
Speaker 2: city and to attend to watch party. There's truly nothing better.

2088
01:32:50,320 --> 01:32:54,960
Speaker 2: Fan clubs like us here in Tampa, Nashville, Cincinnati, Atlanta, Santa, Monica, Dallas,

2089
01:32:55,400 --> 01:32:58,519
Speaker 2: and Moore are all doing a fantastic job and their

2090
01:32:58,560 --> 01:33:04,080
Speaker 2: work should be recognized. Degree Jay. On Patriots dot com,

2091
01:33:04,080 --> 01:33:07,479
Speaker 2: if you go into the fan Zone section, there's a

2092
01:33:07,520 --> 01:33:11,000
Speaker 2: fan club registry. You type in wherever you are or

2093
01:33:11,000 --> 01:33:13,120
Speaker 2: wherever you want to be, and it'll just list all

2094
01:33:13,120 --> 01:33:16,160
Speaker 2: the fan clubs in that area and you can get

2095
01:33:16,160 --> 01:33:18,560
Speaker 2: in contact with them if you happen to be in

2096
01:33:18,600 --> 01:33:21,519
Speaker 2: the area or traveling, find out where they're having their

2097
01:33:22,040 --> 01:33:24,760
Speaker 2: watch parties on Sunday and you can join it. If

2098
01:33:24,760 --> 01:33:26,800
Speaker 2: you want to start a fan club, you can go

2099
01:33:26,840 --> 01:33:29,519
Speaker 2: there and register a new fan club. You can join

2100
01:33:29,560 --> 01:33:32,280
Speaker 2: a fan club. So it is something that we the

2101
01:33:32,320 --> 01:33:35,400
Speaker 2: Patriots should do more to promote, is that registry and

2102
01:33:35,479 --> 01:33:37,479
Speaker 2: all our fan clubs. But he's right, and it's not

2103
01:33:37,560 --> 01:33:40,240
Speaker 2: just here in the States. It's everywhere in the world.

2104
01:33:40,840 --> 01:33:45,280
Speaker 2: We saw in Germany, yeah, Germany, now in Brazil, you know, UK,

2105
01:33:45,400 --> 01:33:47,439
Speaker 2: we're going to be in London. We'll probably do something

2106
01:33:47,439 --> 01:33:51,240
Speaker 2: with the UK Patriots when we're there. But he's right.

2107
01:33:51,320 --> 01:33:53,360
Speaker 2: If you're really looking for a cool thing to do

2108
01:33:53,400 --> 01:33:56,759
Speaker 2: on a Sunday, go to a fan club watch party.

2109
01:33:56,880 --> 01:33:59,439
Speaker 2: And I've been there when we're on the road. I

2110
01:33:59,479 --> 01:34:02,200
Speaker 2: often go, not for the watch party, but the night before.

2111
01:34:02,240 --> 01:34:04,840
Speaker 2: They usually have something and they're always a blast. It's

2112
01:34:04,880 --> 01:34:07,439
Speaker 2: all Patriots fans and they're having a good time. Yeah.

2113
01:34:07,439 --> 01:34:11,280
Speaker 5: I've actually been to Sonny McLean's in Santa Monica with

2114
01:34:11,400 --> 01:34:13,559
Speaker 5: the Patriots fan club out there when I was living

2115
01:34:13,560 --> 01:34:16,960
Speaker 5: out there and I worked a lot during Patriots games.

2116
01:34:16,960 --> 01:34:19,280
Speaker 5: But it was a primetime Thursday night or something like

2117
01:34:19,320 --> 01:34:22,080
Speaker 5: that that I got to go and it was it

2118
01:34:22,120 --> 01:34:23,800
Speaker 5: fell like home, you know. You get to go and

2119
01:34:24,280 --> 01:34:27,479
Speaker 5: it fell just great to be around other Patriots fans

2120
01:34:27,479 --> 01:34:30,360
Speaker 5: three thousand miles away from where the game was happening,

2121
01:34:30,360 --> 01:34:32,000
Speaker 5: and it didn't feel like you were just on an

2122
01:34:32,000 --> 01:34:35,000
Speaker 5: island watching the game by yourself at home and no

2123
01:34:35,000 --> 01:34:38,120
Speaker 5: one else around you cares because no one else is Patriots.

2124
01:34:38,160 --> 01:34:39,200
Speaker 2: Did you do that too great?

2125
01:34:39,280 --> 01:34:40,639
Speaker 4: Did you used to go to yeah?

2126
01:34:40,760 --> 01:34:41,080
Speaker 2: Bars?

2127
01:34:41,160 --> 01:34:42,960
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Now it strikes me as I can't go

2128
01:34:43,040 --> 01:34:43,439
Speaker 3: to a bar.

2129
01:34:43,560 --> 01:34:45,920
Speaker 4: I need to know, well, this was old, dude, This

2130
01:34:45,960 --> 01:34:48,240
Speaker 4: wasn't quite like I need to focus there, Definitely, I

2131
01:34:48,240 --> 01:34:51,599
Speaker 4: need to focus now. But when I first moved out there,

2132
01:34:51,600 --> 01:34:53,599
Speaker 4: it was just it's like walking into home, like all

2133
01:34:53,600 --> 01:34:55,080
Speaker 4: of a sudden, you know, and it's just the whole vibe.

2134
01:34:55,120 --> 01:34:57,920
Speaker 4: And I mean you saw joy it there like shorts,

2135
01:34:58,280 --> 01:35:01,080
Speaker 4: but you know, just old Patriots jerseys, you know, even

2136
01:35:01,120 --> 01:35:03,800
Speaker 4: like the old old old ones. You know, there was

2137
01:35:03,800 --> 01:35:06,040
Speaker 4: a whole like politics to Sonny McLean, so like you know,

2138
01:35:06,360 --> 01:35:09,720
Speaker 4: there's certain people had to sit in certain places. I

2139
01:35:09,760 --> 01:35:11,280
Speaker 4: might have told the story before, but there was always

2140
01:35:11,320 --> 01:35:14,559
Speaker 4: a guy like his thing was after Patriots first down.

2141
01:35:14,880 --> 01:35:16,720
Speaker 4: He would be the delayed first down. So in the

2142
01:35:16,720 --> 01:35:19,400
Speaker 4: whole bar would be like another Patriots first first down

2143
01:35:19,560 --> 01:35:22,880
Speaker 4: and then first down like he was the delayed first

2144
01:35:22,920 --> 01:35:24,920
Speaker 4: down guy, like that was his whole thing. You know

2145
01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:28,000
Speaker 4: that these are the characters at this thing. Guy donated

2146
01:35:28,080 --> 01:35:30,559
Speaker 4: free stuff. They do a halftime free raffle. I still

2147
01:35:30,600 --> 01:35:31,639
Speaker 4: have a mug that, you know, Patriot.

2148
01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:33,080
Speaker 3: I try to understand you.

2149
01:35:33,680 --> 01:35:38,639
Speaker 5: It's it's a lot of fun.

2150
01:35:39,920 --> 01:35:41,800
Speaker 2: I know a lot of them do like community work

2151
01:35:41,840 --> 01:35:45,880
Speaker 2: and they they they do stuff and they make donations

2152
01:35:45,880 --> 01:35:49,240
Speaker 2: to local charities. So it's good. So again, Patriots dot

2153
01:35:49,280 --> 01:35:52,760
Speaker 2: Com fans oone section. Then go to the registry and

2154
01:35:53,000 --> 01:35:55,680
Speaker 2: it's pretty easy to navigate. You can figure it out

2155
01:35:55,720 --> 01:35:59,599
Speaker 2: on your own. But join a club, you know, buy

2156
01:35:59,680 --> 01:36:02,320
Speaker 2: us star a new club, just visit on what on

2157
01:36:02,360 --> 01:36:05,040
Speaker 2: a game day. It's it's it's a good time.

2158
01:36:05,640 --> 01:36:09,400
Speaker 3: So you know what tomorrow is first day training cam. Yeah,

2159
01:36:09,479 --> 01:36:11,880
Speaker 3: and that's the Running of the Jewets. Oh really, what's

2160
01:36:11,920 --> 01:36:16,280
Speaker 3: that first edition? There'll be thirteen of them. It's when Sully,

2161
01:36:16,360 --> 01:36:19,120
Speaker 3: Obie and and and everybody comes running in to get

2162
01:36:19,120 --> 01:36:21,439
Speaker 3: to when the gates, when the gates open at ten am.

2163
01:36:21,800 --> 01:36:22,839
Speaker 3: The Running of the Jewets.

2164
01:36:22,880 --> 01:36:23,639
Speaker 2: Get the best seat.

2165
01:36:24,080 --> 01:36:25,280
Speaker 3: You've got to get the best seat.

2166
01:36:25,360 --> 01:36:28,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, the way you could get run over just like

2167
01:36:28,400 --> 01:36:29,320
Speaker 2: the running of the bulls.

2168
01:36:29,320 --> 01:36:32,280
Speaker 5: Well, it's good now that these these kiss these days

2169
01:36:32,280 --> 01:36:34,599
Speaker 5: don't even know because these practices are at eleven now

2170
01:36:34,960 --> 01:36:36,320
Speaker 5: when were they were at nine?

2171
01:36:36,560 --> 01:36:39,000
Speaker 3: When I was a kid, you had a responsibility.

2172
01:36:39,080 --> 01:36:40,840
Speaker 5: You had to be up at six, you had to

2173
01:36:40,840 --> 01:36:42,880
Speaker 5: be there by you know, this was the Brady years too.

2174
01:36:42,920 --> 01:36:45,760
Speaker 5: So we're talking about, you know, ten thousand people coming

2175
01:36:45,800 --> 01:36:48,799
Speaker 5: to the training camp practices, and it was it was mayhem,

2176
01:36:48,920 --> 01:36:49,839
Speaker 5: it was ever where.

2177
01:36:49,680 --> 01:36:51,160
Speaker 3: You were if you were in LA because you ended

2178
01:36:51,240 --> 01:36:51,840
Speaker 3: up on the ramps.

2179
01:36:51,880 --> 01:36:56,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, every man for himself out there pushing her down.

2180
01:36:56,439 --> 01:36:58,120
Speaker 4: So the weather's okay, Like it's just like, you know,

2181
01:36:58,120 --> 01:36:59,320
Speaker 4: I don't want it to be all rainy.

2182
01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:02,400
Speaker 2: Crappy day, Matt writes in in his subject line, is

2183
01:37:02,479 --> 01:37:04,000
Speaker 2: Evan is being a bad nerd?

2184
01:37:04,080 --> 01:37:04,280
Speaker 5: What?

2185
01:37:04,920 --> 01:37:09,880
Speaker 2: Yep? Evan has repeatedly stated that the Patriots offensive line

2186
01:37:09,960 --> 01:37:12,439
Speaker 2: was the worst in the NFL, often signing one stat

2187
01:37:12,520 --> 01:37:15,880
Speaker 2: I have two problems with this. ESPN win rates state

2188
01:37:16,360 --> 01:37:19,360
Speaker 2: that they're dead last for past blocking but ranked tenth

2189
01:37:19,720 --> 01:37:21,280
Speaker 2: in the NFL for run blocking.

2190
01:37:21,320 --> 01:37:22,200
Speaker 5: That's what we've been saying.

2191
01:37:22,280 --> 01:37:24,639
Speaker 2: This would mean their line is better than some other

2192
01:37:24,680 --> 01:37:28,639
Speaker 2: lines overall. Even if ranking worse with pass blocking some teams,

2193
01:37:28,680 --> 01:37:34,599
Speaker 2: like the Jets ranked thirtieth and PBWR and twenty eighth

2194
01:37:34,720 --> 01:37:39,000
Speaker 2: in RBWR. The Pats line is better and two.

2195
01:37:38,960 --> 01:37:40,880
Speaker 3: So why are the Jets running games so much better

2196
01:37:40,920 --> 01:37:42,000
Speaker 3: than the Patriots running game?

2197
01:37:42,040 --> 01:37:48,559
Speaker 2: Then exactly the Patriots added to their offensive line. If

2198
01:37:48,600 --> 01:37:51,040
Speaker 2: Evan is going to live by this statistic to the

2199
01:37:51,080 --> 01:37:54,599
Speaker 2: point of advocating for Drake may to sit because of it,

2200
01:37:54,600 --> 01:37:57,920
Speaker 2: it seems disingenuous to not note that they signed an

2201
01:37:57,920 --> 01:38:01,679
Speaker 2: offensive tackle that ranked twelfth Monk twelve a monk all

2202
01:38:01,880 --> 01:38:05,880
Speaker 2: tackles in ESPN, PB w R the same stat.

2203
01:38:06,400 --> 01:38:08,639
Speaker 5: Just out of curiosity, Like why is this an Evan thing?

2204
01:38:09,040 --> 01:38:12,080
Speaker 5: Like I am I the only one that's saying this, Yes,

2205
01:38:13,080 --> 01:38:14,600
Speaker 5: and so I'm confused.

2206
01:38:15,200 --> 01:38:19,680
Speaker 3: I don't really care what the rankings say. So we're

2207
01:38:19,680 --> 01:38:21,880
Speaker 3: talking about signing a corps for is that what that's

2208
01:38:21,880 --> 01:38:23,679
Speaker 3: supposed to be? Say, he's twelve. He was so good

2209
01:38:23,680 --> 01:38:27,080
Speaker 3: that he got benched for a rookie who never played

2210
01:38:27,439 --> 01:38:28,120
Speaker 3: on the right side.

2211
01:38:28,160 --> 01:38:30,000
Speaker 5: Well on the right he did sound off at the

2212
01:38:30,000 --> 01:38:35,000
Speaker 5: coaching staff. Yeah, Like, but I'm also the only one

2213
01:38:35,080 --> 01:38:37,320
Speaker 5: that is saying that the offensive line is a concern

2214
01:38:37,640 --> 01:38:40,599
Speaker 5: that Drake may might not be best. Throw him out there.

2215
01:38:40,640 --> 01:38:41,519
Speaker 5: I'm the only one.

2216
01:38:41,479 --> 01:38:44,120
Speaker 3: I don't really care about them. The drake made part

2217
01:38:44,160 --> 01:38:46,240
Speaker 3: of the offensive line, but to suggest that the offensive

2218
01:38:46,280 --> 01:38:48,639
Speaker 3: line is not a concern the way that article did

2219
01:38:48,640 --> 01:38:51,280
Speaker 3: that Mike read, and I was glad to hear Aaron

2220
01:38:51,400 --> 01:38:55,600
Speaker 3: sort of separate himself from that. Yeah, you're just like

2221
01:38:55,640 --> 01:38:56,960
Speaker 3: whistling past the graveyard.

2222
01:38:57,120 --> 01:39:02,200
Speaker 2: Well, Rusty in Arlin as the other side of us,

2223
01:39:02,720 --> 01:39:05,360
Speaker 2: he says, I really think we're whistling past the graveyard

2224
01:39:05,400 --> 01:39:08,400
Speaker 2: on the offensive line, particularly that they lost their best

2225
01:39:08,479 --> 01:39:12,240
Speaker 2: guy and still seem ambivalent on whether the next best

2226
01:39:12,280 --> 01:39:15,240
Speaker 2: guy should play an important position that basically sunk them

2227
01:39:15,320 --> 01:39:18,479
Speaker 2: last season, right tackle or guard, when they spent like

2228
01:39:18,560 --> 01:39:21,360
Speaker 2: four picks on guards the last three drafts. Fred, I

2229
01:39:21,400 --> 01:39:24,000
Speaker 2: hate to go after you, but I remember correctly you

2230
01:39:24,040 --> 01:39:27,160
Speaker 2: said the offensive line wasn't a disaster last year. I

2231
01:39:27,200 --> 01:39:31,840
Speaker 2: strongly disagree, especially when when you was at was at

2232
01:39:31,960 --> 01:39:35,840
Speaker 2: locking down that guard position they're so worried about. Then

2233
01:39:35,880 --> 01:39:39,280
Speaker 2: it got better when someone figured out maybe low giving

2234
01:39:39,360 --> 01:39:42,280
Speaker 2: up pressure every play is an issue. I'm all for

2235
01:39:42,360 --> 01:39:45,280
Speaker 2: starting rookie quarterbacks, but if their plan is to basically

2236
01:39:45,320 --> 01:39:48,320
Speaker 2: put out junk at both tackles. They need to see

2237
01:39:48,320 --> 01:39:51,799
Speaker 2: how bad it is first. May can't learn anything getting

2238
01:39:51,880 --> 01:39:55,559
Speaker 2: hit one point five seconds after each snap. After we

2239
01:39:55,680 --> 01:39:58,320
Speaker 2: enter the training camp, I will be closely following where

2240
01:39:58,320 --> 01:40:01,320
Speaker 2: and when you plays. Least, tell me what I got

2241
01:40:01,320 --> 01:40:03,840
Speaker 2: wrong on why the line was so poor last year,

2242
01:40:03,880 --> 01:40:07,040
Speaker 2: because I think it was mostly the tackles. They get

2243
01:40:07,040 --> 01:40:09,559
Speaker 2: paid the most and drafted the highest for a reason.

2244
01:40:09,880 --> 01:40:13,160
Speaker 2: The only improvement is that Penn Steak guy, if the

2245
01:40:13,160 --> 01:40:15,280
Speaker 2: Penn State guy can actually play well.

2246
01:40:15,360 --> 01:40:15,559
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2247
01:40:15,600 --> 01:40:19,600
Speaker 5: Also coaching, I as much as I agree with the

2248
01:40:19,720 --> 01:40:21,680
Speaker 5: ninety percent of what the emails said in terms of

2249
01:40:21,680 --> 01:40:26,240
Speaker 5: the talent being more important, you are hoping and hoping

2250
01:40:26,720 --> 01:40:31,000
Speaker 5: that Scott Peters and Alex van Pelt and their staff

2251
01:40:31,040 --> 01:40:34,320
Speaker 5: now is going to have it more together than what

2252
01:40:34,680 --> 01:40:38,439
Speaker 5: was behind the scenes a disaster with Adrian Clem last year.

2253
01:40:38,439 --> 01:40:41,880
Speaker 5: Like hopefully that all is buttoned up and they're better,

2254
01:40:42,120 --> 01:40:45,799
Speaker 5: more cohesive unit and they played maybe above their talent

2255
01:40:45,880 --> 01:40:48,840
Speaker 5: level a little bit on the line. You know, that's

2256
01:40:48,880 --> 01:40:49,880
Speaker 5: the other side of hope.

2257
01:40:49,880 --> 01:40:51,400
Speaker 4: That's kind of what I'm hoping for, And I like,

2258
01:40:51,439 --> 01:40:52,920
Speaker 4: I just I don't know why. I just kind of

2259
01:40:52,920 --> 01:40:54,960
Speaker 4: feel like I'm just like, I know it's a concern,

2260
01:40:55,000 --> 01:40:56,920
Speaker 4: and it's definitely an issue with left tackle, and there

2261
01:40:56,920 --> 01:40:59,200
Speaker 4: are big questions, But I just I still think that

2262
01:40:59,600 --> 01:41:01,760
Speaker 4: they'll be okay. They'll be okay at line. It won't

2263
01:41:01,800 --> 01:41:04,640
Speaker 4: be so bad that it's going to completely torpedo their

2264
01:41:04,640 --> 01:41:06,680
Speaker 4: whole offense. Will it be a reason why they win

2265
01:41:06,720 --> 01:41:08,920
Speaker 4: a lot of games. I'm not expecting that. But I

2266
01:41:08,960 --> 01:41:11,639
Speaker 4: have more confidence in the line being able to somehow

2267
01:41:11,680 --> 01:41:14,000
Speaker 4: pull it together than I don't have that confidence in

2268
01:41:14,040 --> 01:41:16,519
Speaker 4: the receiver corps. Like I don't think that they're going

2269
01:41:16,560 --> 01:41:19,800
Speaker 4: to be talented enough to be make a difference. But

2270
01:41:19,840 --> 01:41:22,360
Speaker 4: I think when we saw plenty offensive lines over twenty

2271
01:41:22,439 --> 01:41:24,839
Speaker 4: years here that we're not loaded with stars that did fine.

2272
01:41:25,200 --> 01:41:27,000
Speaker 4: You know, I think that they can be fine. And

2273
01:41:27,040 --> 01:41:29,720
Speaker 4: I just that's the voice on the back of my

2274
01:41:29,760 --> 01:41:31,719
Speaker 4: head and we get so, oh my god, it's gonna

2275
01:41:31,760 --> 01:41:34,040
Speaker 4: I just I can't see it destroying everything. Maybe I'm wrong,

2276
01:41:34,080 --> 01:41:36,439
Speaker 4: maybe I'm not Tom Brady, No go.

2277
01:41:36,439 --> 01:41:39,520
Speaker 3: I go on on both sides of this equation. I

2278
01:41:39,560 --> 01:41:43,000
Speaker 3: don't think last year was solely because of the offensive

2279
01:41:43,040 --> 01:41:45,280
Speaker 3: line was bad. I do think the offensive line was bad,

2280
01:41:45,320 --> 01:41:46,920
Speaker 3: and I don't think it'll be much better this year.

2281
01:41:47,280 --> 01:41:50,600
Speaker 3: I think that the guards last year again according to

2282
01:41:50,640 --> 01:41:53,439
Speaker 3: these numbers. And you know, we started off we're talking

2283
01:41:53,479 --> 01:41:55,320
Speaker 3: a lot about why the Patriots are going to be

2284
01:41:55,320 --> 01:41:58,120
Speaker 3: better than people thought, but based on numbers, so we're

2285
01:41:58,160 --> 01:42:02,760
Speaker 3: talking about the same thing. Strange and so were I

2286
01:42:02,800 --> 01:42:06,519
Speaker 3: want to say, fifty eighth and sixty one out of

2287
01:42:06,520 --> 01:42:09,640
Speaker 3: sixty four qualifying guards last year in pass blocking, Like

2288
01:42:11,040 --> 01:42:13,800
Speaker 3: the line is a problem. It was a problem last year.

2289
01:42:13,920 --> 01:42:17,400
Speaker 3: And there's guys that we don't know about where they.

2290
01:42:17,240 --> 01:42:19,800
Speaker 2: They should look worse, a little worse than they really

2291
01:42:19,840 --> 01:42:23,600
Speaker 2: are because of what was going on overall.

2292
01:42:23,200 --> 01:42:25,439
Speaker 3: With That's what you have to hope, I know, is

2293
01:42:25,479 --> 01:42:27,799
Speaker 3: what Evan talked about right off the top of his segment.

2294
01:42:28,040 --> 01:42:30,320
Speaker 3: You have to hope. You can't just go by the numbers,

2295
01:42:30,479 --> 01:42:32,519
Speaker 3: but you have to go by you have to hope

2296
01:42:32,520 --> 01:42:35,040
Speaker 3: that Scott Peters is better. Well, you know, we're putting

2297
01:42:35,120 --> 01:42:37,760
Speaker 3: our eggs in a in a first time basket in

2298
01:42:37,800 --> 01:42:41,280
Speaker 3: a lot of places. That's true, Like there's a lot

2299
01:42:41,320 --> 01:42:44,240
Speaker 3: of newness and we're just assuming it's going to be better,

2300
01:42:44,479 --> 01:42:46,800
Speaker 3: Which is why I asked Aaron the question that I

2301
01:42:46,840 --> 01:42:49,280
Speaker 3: asked him, Why are we assuming it's going to be better,

2302
01:42:50,240 --> 01:42:54,320
Speaker 3: Like he went to Great Lanes to explain how he

2303
01:42:54,439 --> 01:42:57,599
Speaker 3: assigns the greatest value for a lost coach that they

2304
01:42:57,640 --> 01:43:04,080
Speaker 3: ever have in losing Bill Belichick on defense, but didn't

2305
01:43:04,320 --> 01:43:08,240
Speaker 3: take away anything from the offense based on the fact

2306
01:43:08,280 --> 01:43:13,160
Speaker 3: that everybody's in a new spot, Like why is it

2307
01:43:13,200 --> 01:43:15,400
Speaker 3: going to be better? Why are we assuming it's going

2308
01:43:15,479 --> 01:43:17,919
Speaker 3: to be better? Because Mac Jones was the Antichrist evidently

2309
01:43:18,000 --> 01:43:18,599
Speaker 3: last year.

2310
01:43:18,479 --> 01:43:20,760
Speaker 2: Because and he was terrible. Don't know, because it was

2311
01:43:20,800 --> 01:43:21,280
Speaker 2: so bad.

2312
01:43:21,400 --> 01:43:25,680
Speaker 3: But like, listen, I have been very critical of Mac

2313
01:43:25,760 --> 01:43:27,519
Speaker 3: Jones for three years. I'm not going to pretend that

2314
01:43:27,520 --> 01:43:28,080
Speaker 3: didn't happen.

2315
01:43:28,120 --> 01:43:28,360
Speaker 2: Now.

2316
01:43:28,760 --> 01:43:31,200
Speaker 3: Mac Jones was the biggest reason why the offense could

2317
01:43:31,200 --> 01:43:32,920
Speaker 3: not move the ball last year. And that's what I'm

2318
01:43:32,960 --> 01:43:35,600
Speaker 3: saying is not the offensive line, but Mac Jones.

2319
01:43:35,360 --> 01:43:38,800
Speaker 2: And could he have made the offensive line look a

2320
01:43:38,880 --> 01:43:39,679
Speaker 2: little worse.

2321
01:43:39,479 --> 01:43:42,599
Speaker 3: Than it And maybe Brissett will make that line look better.

2322
01:43:42,600 --> 01:43:45,160
Speaker 3: I don't think Jones made the line look worse than

2323
01:43:45,200 --> 01:43:48,360
Speaker 3: it was. I think Jones couldn't handle it. Maybe Brissette

2324
01:43:48,360 --> 01:43:50,040
Speaker 3: will be able to handle it, do you know what

2325
01:43:50,120 --> 01:43:50,400
Speaker 3: I mean?

2326
01:43:50,960 --> 01:43:53,040
Speaker 5: They're also going to be different on first and second

2327
01:43:53,040 --> 01:43:55,040
Speaker 5: down and you hope some of the schematic things that

2328
01:43:55,040 --> 01:43:57,360
Speaker 5: they're going to do are going to make it easier

2329
01:43:57,560 --> 01:43:59,720
Speaker 5: to protect, make it easier on the quarterback to get

2330
01:43:59,720 --> 01:44:02,479
Speaker 5: the ball by moving the pocket, by changing the point

2331
01:44:02,520 --> 01:44:05,040
Speaker 5: of attack, boot legs, that sort of stuff like That's

2332
01:44:05,080 --> 01:44:08,000
Speaker 5: the all idea of this scheme is we're actually gonna

2333
01:44:08,000 --> 01:44:10,960
Speaker 5: block you by just like the flow of the people

2334
01:44:11,040 --> 01:44:13,519
Speaker 5: on the field. You're all gonna be running one direction.

2335
01:44:13,840 --> 01:44:16,360
Speaker 5: Then we're gonna bootleg them out the other way, and

2336
01:44:16,479 --> 01:44:18,400
Speaker 5: your pass rushers now have to put their foot in

2337
01:44:18,439 --> 01:44:20,639
Speaker 5: the ground, change direction, all that kind of stuff.

2338
01:44:20,640 --> 01:44:23,000
Speaker 4: And compare that to what Kendrick boorm was talking about

2339
01:44:23,000 --> 01:44:26,519
Speaker 4: with the Matt Patricia scheme, where like that is gonna

2340
01:44:26,560 --> 01:44:28,679
Speaker 4: make the offensive line look work. There is no scheme,

2341
01:44:28,720 --> 01:44:30,640
Speaker 4: There is no It is not all connected. You know,

2342
01:44:30,760 --> 01:44:33,040
Speaker 4: these guys are just and teams seem like they knew

2343
01:44:33,040 --> 01:44:35,559
Speaker 4: what were coming to so I can't extract those things.

2344
01:44:35,600 --> 01:44:37,360
Speaker 4: I'm not assuming anything with this team. I'm not gonna

2345
01:44:37,360 --> 01:44:39,639
Speaker 4: assume anything is good this year. But there are certain

2346
01:44:39,640 --> 01:44:41,400
Speaker 4: things that I'm gonna choose to worry about and choose

2347
01:44:41,439 --> 01:44:43,519
Speaker 4: not to worry about. And for some reason, maybe it's

2348
01:44:43,520 --> 01:44:45,639
Speaker 4: just me, but the offensive line. I don't think will

2349
01:44:45,640 --> 01:44:48,160
Speaker 4: be the how this team winsor loses this year. It's

2350
01:44:48,240 --> 01:44:49,360
Speaker 4: they're gonna be fine.

2351
01:44:49,400 --> 01:44:53,519
Speaker 2: I think Martin in London fine, Martin and London right,

2352
01:44:53,640 --> 01:44:56,160
Speaker 2: sin He says, would you all be interested in joining

2353
01:44:56,280 --> 01:44:58,960
Speaker 2: a PU listeners fantasy football league?

2354
01:44:58,960 --> 01:45:04,320
Speaker 3: No, okay, I mean I would agree.

2355
01:45:04,479 --> 01:45:06,439
Speaker 2: I'm speaking for myself, but anyone.

2356
01:45:06,560 --> 01:45:07,879
Speaker 4: I don't do fantasy anymore.

2357
01:45:08,640 --> 01:45:10,000
Speaker 3: I do one league.

2358
01:45:10,760 --> 01:45:13,360
Speaker 5: I used to do a bunch of leagues, especially now

2359
01:45:13,360 --> 01:45:15,080
Speaker 5: that you like we work, it's so hard to.

2360
01:45:15,120 --> 01:45:16,400
Speaker 3: Keep up when I've lost.

2361
01:45:16,800 --> 01:45:17,679
Speaker 5: I do one league.

2362
01:45:17,760 --> 01:45:20,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, I had. I did it for a while with

2363
01:45:20,160 --> 01:45:22,080
Speaker 4: a buddy at partner and he was like, way morning.

2364
01:45:22,120 --> 01:45:23,280
Speaker 4: I mean, he'd be like, we got to come over

2365
01:45:23,320 --> 01:45:25,040
Speaker 4: and do research. I'm like, dude, can we just make

2366
01:45:25,080 --> 01:45:25,639
Speaker 4: through the draft?

2367
01:45:25,640 --> 01:45:27,880
Speaker 3: Like? I don't like when when it stops being fun,

2368
01:45:28,160 --> 01:45:31,320
Speaker 3: know right, and you're like, oh, I actually trying, it's

2369
01:45:31,360 --> 01:45:31,840
Speaker 3: not fun.

2370
01:45:31,960 --> 01:45:32,680
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2371
01:45:32,960 --> 01:45:35,760
Speaker 5: There are just sundays now even I actually last year

2372
01:45:35,800 --> 01:45:39,200
Speaker 5: I gave just my password and said, like if I have, like,

2373
01:45:39,520 --> 01:45:42,120
Speaker 5: I scratched a lot, you know, because I were working,

2374
01:45:42,200 --> 01:45:45,559
Speaker 5: Like I can't be tinkering my fantasy lineup. Out twelve

2375
01:45:45,640 --> 01:45:47,600
Speaker 5: fifty three on a Sunday.

2376
01:45:47,240 --> 01:45:48,719
Speaker 2: And the game starts tweaking act.

2377
01:45:49,040 --> 01:45:51,680
Speaker 5: I'm like, if somebody's like inactive in my lineup, just

2378
01:45:51,680 --> 01:45:54,120
Speaker 5: like go in and change it, Like, yeah, I can't

2379
01:45:54,120 --> 01:45:54,360
Speaker 5: do it.

2380
01:45:54,400 --> 01:45:55,080
Speaker 4: Did she do it? Okay?

2381
01:45:56,439 --> 01:45:57,439
Speaker 5: Actually won our league?

2382
01:45:57,479 --> 01:45:59,880
Speaker 4: So who knows what they're doing.

2383
01:46:00,920 --> 01:46:05,200
Speaker 2: Jordan is in Hawaii. Uh, one question from him? Who

2384
01:46:05,280 --> 01:46:07,479
Speaker 2: stands to have the most to lose in the most

2385
01:46:07,520 --> 01:46:09,320
Speaker 2: to gain from this training camp?

2386
01:46:11,400 --> 01:46:13,720
Speaker 4: Drake Man, I don't know. I don't know if that's right.

2387
01:46:14,000 --> 01:46:16,400
Speaker 4: That's the first thing came to my most.

2388
01:46:16,720 --> 01:46:17,080
Speaker 2: Juju.

2389
01:46:17,120 --> 01:46:17,960
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't feel like you.

2390
01:46:18,160 --> 01:46:20,400
Speaker 5: Want to win? Was the game?

2391
01:46:21,320 --> 01:46:23,760
Speaker 4: I mean it's I don't know. I mean I could

2392
01:46:23,800 --> 01:46:27,000
Speaker 4: see Juju playing to not playing it, like to being cut.

2393
01:46:27,080 --> 01:46:28,840
Speaker 4: So I don't know. Maybe it's him because.

2394
01:46:29,840 --> 01:46:33,040
Speaker 3: Oh it's we're looking for one player most, because that

2395
01:46:33,040 --> 01:46:33,759
Speaker 3: would be a good.

2396
01:46:33,720 --> 01:46:35,599
Speaker 4: That's what I thought, most to lose their most.

2397
01:46:35,600 --> 01:46:38,479
Speaker 3: Again, we're looking for like who has can you name

2398
01:46:38,520 --> 01:46:40,160
Speaker 3: a player who has the most a game, which I

2399
01:46:40,160 --> 01:46:42,240
Speaker 3: would say Drake may was probably in that most to lose,

2400
01:46:42,520 --> 01:46:45,600
Speaker 3: but both guys like being the same guy. Juju is

2401
01:46:45,600 --> 01:46:48,360
Speaker 3: a good pick, Mike because I could see him being

2402
01:46:48,920 --> 01:46:51,320
Speaker 3: sort of a regular player you know, maybe the third

2403
01:46:51,360 --> 01:46:54,760
Speaker 3: receiver for what the receiver or not on the team, right.

2404
01:46:54,720 --> 01:46:58,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, That's why I don't put Drake May in

2405
01:46:58,080 --> 01:46:59,680
Speaker 2: that category.

2406
01:46:59,280 --> 01:47:01,240
Speaker 3: Because he's no, I don't know, if you he's on

2407
01:47:01,560 --> 01:47:04,840
Speaker 3: one guy, I would agree, Yeah, I think Jujus. The

2408
01:47:04,880 --> 01:47:06,439
Speaker 3: worst that's going to happen to Drake May is you

2409
01:47:06,520 --> 01:47:08,200
Speaker 3: going to spend the year as a backup.

2410
01:47:07,960 --> 01:47:11,360
Speaker 2: Right right, But I think Juju is a good one

2411
01:47:11,400 --> 01:47:14,000
Speaker 2: for that good candidate for that category most.

2412
01:47:13,920 --> 01:47:15,680
Speaker 3: Of although he goes to gain and lose, you know,

2413
01:47:15,760 --> 01:47:18,080
Speaker 3: for camp we're talking about, he just can't just not

2414
01:47:18,200 --> 01:47:20,120
Speaker 3: like May, You got to play a couple of games

2415
01:47:20,160 --> 01:47:21,960
Speaker 3: and really look bad, like I just.

2416
01:47:21,960 --> 01:47:23,519
Speaker 2: Can't lose, just can't we're talking about.

2417
01:47:23,520 --> 01:47:24,920
Speaker 4: I mean, it's really kind of the bubble guys. I

2418
01:47:24,920 --> 01:47:26,600
Speaker 4: would think too that you're you know, kind of that

2419
01:47:26,640 --> 01:47:28,960
Speaker 4: are procolating in your head. I just don't. I mean,

2420
01:47:29,000 --> 01:47:31,000
Speaker 4: you did the you did a ry rejection. Do you

2421
01:47:31,040 --> 01:47:32,640
Speaker 4: want to do you want to pitch out of it?

2422
01:47:32,720 --> 01:47:36,640
Speaker 3: Chad Island, I didn't get out of the league or

2423
01:47:36,760 --> 01:47:38,240
Speaker 3: the you know, the kicker for the next.

2424
01:47:38,120 --> 01:47:41,320
Speaker 4: Ten years we saw mini camp. I mean it looks next.

2425
01:47:41,120 --> 01:47:43,320
Speaker 3: And I didn't have really anything out of the ordinary.

2426
01:47:43,439 --> 01:47:45,160
Speaker 4: But but you have trouble. I mean, we all have

2427
01:47:45,400 --> 01:47:47,800
Speaker 4: trouble come up with fifty three. There's not a lot

2428
01:47:47,800 --> 01:47:48,599
Speaker 4: of real bubble guys.

2429
01:47:48,640 --> 01:47:51,559
Speaker 3: My initial my initial roster when I added him up

2430
01:47:51,600 --> 01:47:52,519
Speaker 3: was fifty one players.

2431
01:47:52,600 --> 01:47:56,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, like cornerbacks like Marco Wilson, like those guys, you know.

2432
01:47:56,400 --> 01:47:59,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I could make it like those I could interchange,

2433
01:47:59,479 --> 01:48:01,479
Speaker 3: you know, like you could tell me that Juju's in

2434
01:48:01,680 --> 01:48:04,560
Speaker 3: and Taekwan Thornton's out. You could switch them ragers in,

2435
01:48:04,720 --> 01:48:08,679
Speaker 3: like you could tell me on the on the tackles,

2436
01:48:08,720 --> 01:48:12,200
Speaker 3: like Tyrone Wheatley in or Calvin Anderson out, or the

2437
01:48:12,240 --> 01:48:13,720
Speaker 3: other way around. Vaderian Low.

2438
01:48:13,800 --> 01:48:16,120
Speaker 4: I don't know, good Tyroneheeley reference. Oh no, it actually

2439
01:48:16,160 --> 01:48:17,880
Speaker 4: is the Tyrone wheel. I was thinking of Terrence Wheet.

2440
01:48:18,479 --> 01:48:20,200
Speaker 4: I think the other the old cornerback.

2441
01:48:20,280 --> 01:48:25,639
Speaker 5: Yeahs, I see, you're not the first person that's told

2442
01:48:25,640 --> 01:48:27,920
Speaker 5: me that they have a tough time getting to fifty three.

2443
01:48:28,000 --> 01:48:30,679
Speaker 5: Right now, I guess I do it the wrong way.

2444
01:48:30,920 --> 01:48:36,240
Speaker 5: I don't know's I'm always like, yeah, so did I

2445
01:48:36,360 --> 01:48:38,280
Speaker 5: but in my first one. But I just I feel

2446
01:48:38,320 --> 01:48:41,680
Speaker 5: like I I might think about it the reverse. I mean,

2447
01:48:41,680 --> 01:48:44,000
Speaker 5: this is doesn't matter. But it just like you like

2448
01:48:44,080 --> 01:48:46,800
Speaker 5: add up right to fifty three, where as I go

2449
01:48:46,880 --> 01:48:51,200
Speaker 5: from ninety and subtra fifty three, So like you're always

2450
01:48:51,240 --> 01:48:54,040
Speaker 5: at like fifty five fifty six, and you're like to

2451
01:48:54,080 --> 01:48:56,400
Speaker 5: your point. It could be Tyrone Wheatley, or it could

2452
01:48:56,400 --> 01:48:58,640
Speaker 5: be Vederian Low And now I have to decide, you know.

2453
01:48:58,840 --> 01:49:02,320
Speaker 3: And I picked some extra offensive lineman because of that uncertainty,

2454
01:49:02,960 --> 01:49:05,120
Speaker 3: you know, And I think Strange will be on pup,

2455
01:49:05,840 --> 01:49:08,640
Speaker 3: so I still pick ten offensive linemen. They won't have

2456
01:49:08,720 --> 01:49:12,040
Speaker 3: ten offensive linemen on the active roster all year. Yeah,

2457
01:49:12,240 --> 01:49:15,080
Speaker 3: we might guess. You know, some guys on the practice squad.

2458
01:49:15,200 --> 01:49:17,680
Speaker 3: Some of those you know, Jake Andrews, I don't know,

2459
01:49:17,800 --> 01:49:20,040
Speaker 3: like I haven't. I don't know where he factors in.

2460
01:49:20,439 --> 01:49:22,519
Speaker 5: We didn't see him on the spring, right, It's gonna

2461
01:49:22,520 --> 01:49:25,000
Speaker 5: be interesting to see some of those guys, even all

2462
01:49:25,040 --> 01:49:27,840
Speaker 5: the way down to like a Marte Mapu, that were

2463
01:49:28,160 --> 01:49:32,439
Speaker 5: drafted by the old regime, with plans in mind that

2464
01:49:32,520 --> 01:49:36,280
Speaker 5: Bill Belichick probably had for some of these players that

2465
01:49:36,400 --> 01:49:38,679
Speaker 5: now all of a sudden, like a Marte Mapu, Well,

2466
01:49:38,800 --> 01:49:42,400
Speaker 5: Kyle Dugger is here now, any that opportunity is not

2467
01:49:42,439 --> 01:49:44,519
Speaker 5: going to be there for him. You know, David Andrews,

2468
01:49:44,520 --> 01:49:47,120
Speaker 5: he came back for another year. So now Jake Andrews

2469
01:49:47,120 --> 01:49:50,200
Speaker 5: were two years into waiting in the wings to be

2470
01:49:50,240 --> 01:49:53,000
Speaker 5: the next center. Like these types of guys, at what

2471
01:49:53,120 --> 01:49:56,720
Speaker 5: point Antonio Maffi certainly not drafted to play in a

2472
01:49:57,120 --> 01:50:00,559
Speaker 5: wide zone system, Like he's at three hundred and forty guard,

2473
01:50:00,560 --> 01:50:03,080
Speaker 5: you're not gonna ask him to block outside zone. So

2474
01:50:03,120 --> 01:50:06,000
Speaker 5: like some of these guys that were drafted recently, that

2475
01:50:06,479 --> 01:50:09,120
Speaker 5: Bill probably had one thing in mind, and now they

2476
01:50:09,320 --> 01:50:11,960
Speaker 5: these coaches have another thing in mind. It'd be interesting

2477
01:50:11,960 --> 01:50:14,840
Speaker 5: to see where those guys fall.

2478
01:50:14,920 --> 01:50:16,640
Speaker 2: Let's see who's this.

2479
01:50:19,520 --> 01:50:20,960
Speaker 4: I just say, well, friend's doing this. Just to add

2480
01:50:21,000 --> 01:50:23,000
Speaker 4: that point, I'm interested next year too, Like how do

2481
01:50:23,040 --> 01:50:25,000
Speaker 4: they start to evolve on defense? They get away from

2482
01:50:25,000 --> 01:50:27,400
Speaker 4: Bill for year, they learn what they're good at, what

2483
01:50:27,439 --> 01:50:28,960
Speaker 4: they maybe aren't good at, and they're like, we can't

2484
01:50:29,000 --> 01:50:31,360
Speaker 4: run for safeties out like we need to get more

2485
01:50:31,360 --> 01:50:32,439
Speaker 4: conventional things like that.

2486
01:50:34,080 --> 01:50:37,320
Speaker 2: Recently with all the Ayuk potential hype and people saying

2487
01:50:37,400 --> 01:50:40,559
Speaker 2: Polk is just a wide receiver too, like Meyers or

2488
01:50:40,560 --> 01:50:44,839
Speaker 2: Tyler Boyd and that Jvon Baker and Bourn get more praise.

2489
01:50:44,960 --> 01:50:47,680
Speaker 2: To be the guy. I can't help but feel like

2490
01:50:47,760 --> 01:50:51,240
Speaker 2: he's not getting Polk. He's talking about getting the excitement

2491
01:50:51,280 --> 01:50:54,439
Speaker 2: he should be getting, especially if we believe Drake May

2492
01:50:54,640 --> 01:50:57,760
Speaker 2: is the guy, which I do, and the connection they

2493
01:50:57,760 --> 01:51:02,000
Speaker 2: seem to have built together. He compares Poke's senior year

2494
01:51:03,240 --> 01:51:06,320
Speaker 2: excuse me, pokes senior year in college stats are nearly

2495
01:51:06,400 --> 01:51:09,599
Speaker 2: identical Tayuk, with him being the number two and Ayuk

2496
01:51:09,680 --> 01:51:13,080
Speaker 2: the number one, as well as combine numbers are very similar.

2497
01:51:13,680 --> 01:51:15,920
Speaker 3: I don't so I'm not gonna so you don't give

2498
01:51:16,000 --> 01:51:18,599
Speaker 3: Ayuk more credit for doing it as the number one, right.

2499
01:51:19,960 --> 01:51:22,360
Speaker 3: The other guy doing is another guy on the other

2500
01:51:22,400 --> 01:51:23,240
Speaker 3: side of Roma Dunz.

2501
01:51:24,200 --> 01:51:26,639
Speaker 2: I don't know why Pok is getting the treatment. He's

2502
01:51:26,640 --> 01:51:29,480
Speaker 2: only at wide receiver too, because he was in college.

2503
01:51:29,880 --> 01:51:32,320
Speaker 2: When we see plenty of schools have multiple number one

2504
01:51:32,320 --> 01:51:34,680
Speaker 2: wide receivers like Ohio State, LSU and.

2505
01:51:34,640 --> 01:51:37,400
Speaker 3: You know what, he was actually Washington's three, right.

2506
01:51:37,240 --> 01:51:40,880
Speaker 2: And even Old Miss had a J. Brown and DK Metcalf.

2507
01:51:41,360 --> 01:51:44,800
Speaker 2: This leads further. This led to further research on the

2508
01:51:44,840 --> 01:51:48,280
Speaker 2: Pro Bowl wide receivers and how Pope compares with combine metrics.

2509
01:51:48,280 --> 01:51:50,559
Speaker 2: So he's he gets into the whole yeah, so, I

2510
01:51:50,560 --> 01:51:52,799
Speaker 2: mean the stats he thinks Poks should be getting more credit.

2511
01:51:52,880 --> 01:51:55,519
Speaker 5: Sure, the raw stats though, are not apples to apples

2512
01:51:55,520 --> 01:51:58,439
Speaker 5: because that Washington offense through the ball like eight hundred times,

2513
01:51:58,439 --> 01:52:01,240
Speaker 5: and it's it's just total different, Like you can't really

2514
01:52:01,360 --> 01:52:03,720
Speaker 5: do that as much in college. That's why for the

2515
01:52:03,720 --> 01:52:06,040
Speaker 5: most part when it comes to the draft, I don't

2516
01:52:06,040 --> 01:52:08,639
Speaker 5: even look at their box score production for ninety percent

2517
01:52:08,680 --> 01:52:10,880
Speaker 5: of the guys, Like, I don't care. It doesn't really

2518
01:52:10,920 --> 01:52:14,040
Speaker 5: make a difference because it's not translatable all the time

2519
01:52:14,120 --> 01:52:16,280
Speaker 5: to what you're gonna be doing in the pros. The

2520
01:52:16,360 --> 01:52:19,280
Speaker 5: offense that they are running in Washington is its own thing,

2521
01:52:19,479 --> 01:52:21,720
Speaker 5: Like it's it's a very unique offense the way that

2522
01:52:21,760 --> 01:52:24,800
Speaker 5: they play, and they they do not run the ball.

2523
01:52:24,880 --> 01:52:27,000
Speaker 5: They throw. They must have threw the ball six hundred

2524
01:52:27,000 --> 01:52:29,720
Speaker 5: and fifty times in thirteen games last year. So they

2525
01:52:30,120 --> 01:52:33,880
Speaker 5: are just all their receivers produced. And that Washington offense

2526
01:52:33,880 --> 01:52:35,360
Speaker 5: from a Duneesay to McMillan to.

2527
01:52:35,360 --> 01:52:38,599
Speaker 3: Polk and he shot up when McMillan was out. Yeah,

2528
01:52:38,640 --> 01:52:42,280
Speaker 3: when McMillan came back, his production tailed off. It's now

2529
01:52:42,320 --> 01:52:44,840
Speaker 3: did become a lesser player, right, No, he was behind

2530
01:52:44,840 --> 01:52:45,599
Speaker 3: two other guys.

2531
01:52:45,680 --> 01:52:49,800
Speaker 2: Right, But that's good that you know his production went up, right.

2532
01:52:49,840 --> 01:52:53,040
Speaker 3: But again, given the I think that the analogy without

2533
01:52:53,080 --> 01:52:56,720
Speaker 3: you is kind of foolish. Like one guy did it

2534
01:52:56,760 --> 01:52:59,519
Speaker 3: as the man, the other guy did it as the

2535
01:52:59,520 --> 01:53:01,920
Speaker 3: other guy. Like this is a big difference.

2536
01:53:01,960 --> 01:53:05,799
Speaker 2: Tonference yea, Nate is in Connecticut and he's thirteen.

2537
01:53:06,160 --> 01:53:07,519
Speaker 3: And by the way, if he turns out to be

2538
01:53:07,560 --> 01:53:11,120
Speaker 3: Tyler Boyd, I'd be thrilled. Tyler Boyd's a really good player.

2539
01:53:12,240 --> 01:53:14,920
Speaker 2: He wants to know will Marty Mapoo step up? He

2540
01:53:15,000 --> 01:53:17,360
Speaker 2: had a little playing time under Bill Belichick, but I

2541
01:53:17,400 --> 01:53:20,600
Speaker 2: think he will be out there more under Mayo, considering

2542
01:53:20,640 --> 01:53:23,280
Speaker 2: Mayo is a player's coach, and maybe he'll get more

2543
01:53:23,320 --> 01:53:26,000
Speaker 2: reps at linebacker. So what do you think about Marty

2544
01:53:26,040 --> 01:53:27,719
Speaker 2: Mapoo's role on the team.

2545
01:53:27,920 --> 01:53:30,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I was just hinting at that it's

2546
01:53:30,439 --> 01:53:35,479
Speaker 5: an unknown because I'm pretty certain that they had plans

2547
01:53:35,479 --> 01:53:38,559
Speaker 5: of him taking over for Kyle Dugger. If not this year,

2548
01:53:38,600 --> 01:53:41,679
Speaker 5: then maybe Dugger plays one year on the franchise tag

2549
01:53:41,720 --> 01:53:45,000
Speaker 5: and then they transition. I just can't imagine that Bill

2550
01:53:45,040 --> 01:53:47,759
Speaker 5: would have given Kyle Dugger the contract that this group

2551
01:53:47,840 --> 01:53:51,720
Speaker 5: gave him in free agency, So they drafted Martin Mapoo

2552
01:53:51,520 --> 01:53:55,640
Speaker 5: to play that role, and now that he's blocked, like

2553
01:53:55,680 --> 01:53:58,200
Speaker 5: that role doesn't exist, So does his role change and

2554
01:53:58,240 --> 01:54:01,080
Speaker 5: does he become a linebackers he become a nickel, Like,

2555
01:54:01,120 --> 01:54:03,439
Speaker 5: does he go into a different role so that they

2556
01:54:03,640 --> 01:54:05,760
Speaker 5: can get all of them on the field or is

2557
01:54:05,800 --> 01:54:08,240
Speaker 5: he just kind of the odd man out and is

2558
01:54:08,280 --> 01:54:09,640
Speaker 5: a special teamer.

2559
01:54:09,240 --> 01:54:11,720
Speaker 4: And Jalen Hawkins push him kind of out of that

2560
01:54:11,880 --> 01:54:14,599
Speaker 4: top three, he's not really you know, I I mean,

2561
01:54:14,600 --> 01:54:16,120
Speaker 4: I honestly, I don't. I don't want to wish this

2562
01:54:16,240 --> 01:54:18,320
Speaker 4: on either of our starting safeties, but I feel like

2563
01:54:18,360 --> 01:54:19,920
Speaker 4: it might take an injury for him to like get

2564
01:54:19,960 --> 01:54:22,760
Speaker 4: in there, really get some playing time, playing, you know,

2565
01:54:22,920 --> 01:54:25,880
Speaker 4: do what they really should be doing with him. But

2566
01:54:25,920 --> 01:54:27,080
Speaker 4: I think Hawkins is gonna be a factor.

2567
01:54:27,160 --> 01:54:28,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, I been your guy. J'arial Peppers is a free

2568
01:54:28,840 --> 01:54:32,640
Speaker 5: agent at the end of the year. Is he another

2569
01:54:32,680 --> 01:54:34,200
Speaker 5: guy that they're going to extend? Are they going to

2570
01:54:34,280 --> 01:54:37,480
Speaker 5: keep him around? Maybe we're talking about martem Apu being

2571
01:54:37,480 --> 01:54:40,240
Speaker 5: a starter in twenty twenty six or twenty twenty five,

2572
01:54:40,280 --> 01:54:42,400
Speaker 5: whenever the heck it is, and that that's the way

2573
01:54:42,440 --> 01:54:45,160
Speaker 5: it goes. But as of right now, is they they're

2574
01:54:45,200 --> 01:54:49,760
Speaker 5: gonna play three box safeties like all oncen't.

2575
01:54:48,840 --> 01:54:51,320
Speaker 3: Do much linebacker stuff in the spring, right No, And

2576
01:54:51,360 --> 01:54:53,520
Speaker 3: I'm I mean certainly not the practices.

2577
01:54:53,960 --> 01:54:55,960
Speaker 4: It's just like I just like people get so old

2578
01:54:56,040 --> 01:54:57,240
Speaker 4: and it's like it's like it goes back to three

2579
01:54:57,280 --> 01:54:59,360
Speaker 4: four four three debate, which like made me lose my eyes.

2580
01:54:59,360 --> 01:55:01,839
Speaker 4: It's like he's not playing in a three four defense

2581
01:55:01,920 --> 01:55:04,640
Speaker 4: like weak side linebacker inside, Like that's not like not

2582
01:55:04,800 --> 01:55:07,560
Speaker 4: that linebacker. He will play sub package. He will play

2583
01:55:07,560 --> 01:55:09,840
Speaker 4: on the second level a linebacker. But it's just to me,

2584
01:55:09,920 --> 01:55:12,760
Speaker 4: it's like a role in the conference continually have about

2585
01:55:12,920 --> 01:55:15,760
Speaker 4: him playing linebacker. It's like it's not that much different

2586
01:55:15,800 --> 01:55:16,640
Speaker 4: than just playing safe.

2587
01:55:16,680 --> 01:55:21,320
Speaker 3: By my concern with him would be is he has

2588
01:55:21,360 --> 01:55:24,880
Speaker 3: some versatility, but might not be good enough at one thing.

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Speaker 3: That would be my concern because he didn't I mean,

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01:55:29,400 --> 01:55:32,080
Speaker 3: he played a little bit last year. He didn't like

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01:55:32,160 --> 01:55:36,040
Speaker 3: he wasn't a non factor, but he didn't really tall

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Speaker 3: stand out.

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Speaker 4: He's got a little bit of a different flare to

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01:55:39,160 --> 01:55:41,480
Speaker 4: him that maybe could be useful in a cover situation.

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Speaker 3: And I don't really understand what the whole coach players coach.

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01:55:44,560 --> 01:55:46,880
Speaker 3: I don't know why that helps you get playing.

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01:55:48,080 --> 01:55:50,760
Speaker 5: That's where I would say is the best that he

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01:55:50,800 --> 01:55:53,440
Speaker 5: played last year on film was covering tight ends. And

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Speaker 5: then if you do get into zone, he has a

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01:55:55,600 --> 01:55:58,840
Speaker 5: lot of range at that zone spot and the nickel to.

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01:55:58,680 --> 01:56:01,040
Speaker 3: Be able to do some different He can run and.

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01:56:01,040 --> 01:56:04,960
Speaker 5: He had some good tape on man coverage against tight ends.

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01:56:05,480 --> 01:56:08,640
Speaker 5: But now you're talking about him being a third safety

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01:56:08,680 --> 01:56:10,800
Speaker 5: that's coming into cover tight ends like that's a very

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01:56:10,840 --> 01:56:14,160
Speaker 5: specific package that they have to be in. It's a

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01:56:14,240 --> 01:56:17,760
Speaker 5: dime package probably where you're talking about ten percent of

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01:56:17,800 --> 01:56:20,680
Speaker 5: the snaps overall of him being on the field in

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01:56:20,720 --> 01:56:21,560
Speaker 5: that type of look.

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Speaker 4: I mean, just one last point on this. I mean

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01:56:23,520 --> 01:56:26,600
Speaker 4: Pepper's last year. I love the guy, but maybe you know,

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01:56:26,640 --> 01:56:29,200
Speaker 4: maybe they do groom Mapu to kind of step into

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01:56:29,240 --> 01:56:32,080
Speaker 4: that role next year if Pepper's falls off or they don't,

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Speaker 4: you want to Keephi around.

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Speaker 2: All right, that's going to be it for today's edition

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Speaker 2: of Patriots Unfiltered. But tomorrow Wednesday, we will be live

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Speaker 2: start around ten forty five to get arrivals, but at

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Speaker 2: eleven o'clock is when practice starts, and we will be

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