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Speaker 1: chop him without Isaiah here in the same it's not
Speaker 1: I mean, it's so Isaiah's going to be flying in
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Speaker 1: Insider professional football analyst, and we can say that now
Speaker 1: even more so for HECKM. Harrison because he has made
Speaker 1: his Dallas Cowboys dot Com debut and it is a
Speaker 1: good read. I read it at least twice this week
Speaker 1: because I read it while I was out of town,
Speaker 1: and then I read it last night to kind of
Speaker 1: get my thoughts right and get the preparation right for
Speaker 1: the show on Dallas Cowboys dot Com last Wednesday. You
Speaker 1: can go find it. I just tweeted the link out
Speaker 1: eight under the Radar standouts from Cowboys ot as. It
Speaker 1: really is a good article, and Rob he did a
Speaker 1: nice job of kind of laying things out. Because OTAs
Speaker 1: are underway, we'll have some more throughout the week to
Speaker 1: talk to you about. But what have we seen so
Speaker 1: far from the Cowboys as they have gotten on the field.
Speaker 1: A lot of work in shorts and helmets, noe pads.
Speaker 1: Yet we'll do that I think in Oxnard, if and
Speaker 1: when that's officially announced. But like Hecma wrote about, and
Speaker 1: go check it out because it's a great piece. There's
Speaker 1: still stuff to see. You can see how guys are
Speaker 1: moving around. You can you can see it where guys
Speaker 1: are lining up, and if you want to draw conclusions
Speaker 1: from that, you can. Now, we're only getting one ota
Speaker 1: per week, and this week it's Thursday, so we gotta
Speaker 1: wait till Thursday to see the I know, I know
Speaker 1: they shoveled things around this week, but you know, we watch.
Speaker 1: We watched the offense that was out there. There were
Speaker 1: some guys missing, and we gotta peek at the defense.
Speaker 1: So that was fun to see, you know what I
Speaker 1: was trying to do. It's not right through such an
Speaker 1: optimistic lens because you have to understand that it is
Speaker 1: just sotas. They are in just shorts in Jersey. So
Speaker 1: I'm not about to put anyone in the Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame based off of that. But it really was some
Speaker 1: positive signs from a few guys, I mean, defensive line wise,
Speaker 1: And I had a fan pointed out to me that,
Speaker 1: you know, of the eight players, four of them were
Speaker 1: defensive linemen, and it guess there's a lot of my
Speaker 1: attention was on the defensive line. But it was really
Speaker 1: good to see some of the guys that we have
Speaker 1: question marks around actually in action. Seeing these guys you know,
Speaker 1: move basically work on one on one with Quinn, you
Speaker 1: just realize that this defense man there's a new infusion
Speaker 1: of energy with this group that obviously you need to
Speaker 1: have that you can be in a situation where you
Speaker 1: finish as bad as you did last season, but really
Speaker 1: some great signs from some guys that you're looking to
Speaker 1: make key contributions in the fall. Name some of those
Speaker 1: guys that that kind of stuck out to you. I
Speaker 1: know you highlighted like eight separate players in your article,
Speaker 1: but the majority of them being on that defensive line.
Speaker 1: I think that's just a byproduct of one, there being
Speaker 1: so many new faces there and of course drawing your
Speaker 1: attention to that. But two, it's just easier to get
Speaker 1: a read on those types of guys in these sort
Speaker 1: of drills as opposed to maybe a secondary player, which
Speaker 1: is it's much tougher to kind of read right well,
Speaker 1: Brent Urban one is, when you see that group, the
Speaker 1: defensive line group together, Brent Urban is someone that sticks
Speaker 1: out like a sore thumb because of his size. He
Speaker 1: is just a big person. But then just his ability
Speaker 1: to move, you know, you realize that from where we
Speaker 1: were last year with guys like Antoine Woods that was
Speaker 1: smaller in stature guy even Crawford a bigger guy, but
Speaker 1: not as big as Urban and so I just think
Speaker 1: that his presence on that defensive line, You're gonna see
Speaker 1: a lot of you know, momentum with this group as
Speaker 1: the preseason going into the regular season, just because of
Speaker 1: his presence. He's a great example of the additions they've
Speaker 1: made on the D line this offseason. They've they've added
Speaker 1: a lot of guys who've played in multiple schemes, who
Speaker 1: can play multiple spots. He's been in a hybrid scheme
Speaker 1: in Baltimore. He's been he can you know, he's an
Speaker 1: end who can kick inside. Carlos Watkins can do that too.
Speaker 1: Terrell Basham can stand up or put his hand in
Speaker 1: the ground. Ocia dicazooa is played everywhere on the D
Speaker 1: line at UCLA. So you kind of get a hint
Speaker 1: based off of the additions they made of what dan
Speaker 1: Quinn wants to do. I mean, we talk about that
Speaker 1: four three cover three scheme and Mike McCarthy said, look,
Speaker 1: I don't think we're gonna change too much of what
Speaker 1: we did on defense last year. That might make fans clinch, right,
Speaker 1: they just need to execute better. I think what they
Speaker 1: felt like was by the end of the season they
Speaker 1: started to get the production they want in some aspects,
Speaker 1: especially taking the ball away. Now come in with Dan
Speaker 1: Quinn and kind of refine those things and bring in
Speaker 1: his own concepts too. But yeah, some of the d
Speaker 1: lineman you know, catch your eye. I was watching the linebackers,
Speaker 1: you know, I just wanted to see where guys were
Speaker 1: lining up, and for what it's worth, Jalen Smith and
Speaker 1: Laton Vanderesh, no surprise, are the two linebackers you know
Speaker 1: with the first team. That's what you want to call it,
Speaker 1: and typically that's not uncommon. Might very well be what
Speaker 1: we see week one, but that's not uncommon for veterans
Speaker 1: to take the rookies spots or whatever with first second
Speaker 1: team in these in these OTA practices. Now, you said
Speaker 1: a couple of things there that I kind of want
Speaker 1: to put a pin in and come back to. I
Speaker 1: wanted to ask another question about Brent Urban. I mean,
Speaker 1: six foot seven, three hundred pounds. He played a lot
Speaker 1: of defensive tackle throughout his career, but everything that I've
Speaker 1: heard is him maybe slipping outside and playing on that edge.
Speaker 1: I mean, he had an eighty three plus run defense
Speaker 1: grade on PFF last year in one hundred and eighty
Speaker 1: rush defense snaps. So my question is do you think
Speaker 1: he plays inside or do you play he plays the
Speaker 1: majority of his snaps outside, because I think that could
Speaker 1: play a factor into whether or not he will be
Speaker 1: on the fifty three man because they only take five
Speaker 1: of each. It's a good question. I mean, I would
Speaker 1: think with d Laws you're left end, you're probably seeing
Speaker 1: him kick inside at least on first second down and
Speaker 1: then third down or clear passing situations. You've got your
Speaker 1: best four rushers on the field. That's what I would expect.
Speaker 1: And I agree with what you just said, Rob, But
Speaker 1: I think Urban is so multifaceted, and which you talked
Speaker 1: about it his ability to play the one, play, the three,
Speaker 1: play the five when you ask those questions about the
Speaker 1: defense and not completely changing to the four three looks,
Speaker 1: still using some variations of that three four. A guy
Speaker 1: of his size is what is prototypical in a three
Speaker 1: four defense, being able to be a two gap guy
Speaker 1: with size six seven, three hundred pounds and able to
Speaker 1: hold up two guys to allow linebackers to read and react.
Speaker 1: So I think that is what is you know, the
Speaker 1: thing that he has the feather in his cap. Basically,
Speaker 1: I'm just interested to see because I whenever I watched
Speaker 1: him on film, the best tape he had was inside.
Speaker 1: And then the first thing I had heard whenever he
Speaker 1: showed up was, Hey, he's going to kick outside for us?
Speaker 1: And which is fine? You probably both. He probably will.
Speaker 1: Maybe he may be your Tyrone Crawford veteran replacement where
Speaker 1: we have a guy like maybe an Osao Diggi Zooa
Speaker 1: on the inside, yes, who can fill that role as
Speaker 1: a rookie. Now, you also said not changing a whole
Speaker 1: lot from a defensive standpoint, And my question to you is,
Speaker 1: if that is the mindset from Mike McCarthy in this
Speaker 1: entire coaching staff, how is that possible with a new
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator, a new energy brought in, how do they
Speaker 1: execute that at least have higher execution on a defense
Speaker 1: If they're going to try and run things the same
Speaker 1: way we coaches, not divulging what they're gonna do is
Speaker 1: pretty much right typical of coaches. And so is it
Speaker 1: just a big smokescreen? I assume it would be. Well,
Speaker 1: when you look at the league in general, a lot
Speaker 1: of teams play a variation of all things. You know,
Speaker 1: it's all depending on the amount of receivers, you know,
Speaker 1: to nickel coverages and so forth. So you know, if
Speaker 1: you have to be multifaceted in your defensive approach, no
Speaker 1: one plays just you know, obviously you have your base
Speaker 1: that you you play, and I think their base is
Speaker 1: going to be a four three just all things being considered,
Speaker 1: but they have to be able to play multiple sets
Speaker 1: versus team. So I just I think that whole argument
Speaker 1: versus going to one over another, it's just being overblown
Speaker 1: because when it comes down to camp, you're going to
Speaker 1: see all kinds of looks, you know, right up until
Speaker 1: that first week. Yeah, I just don't think it's this
Speaker 1: rigid they're a pure four three base. Every every defense
Speaker 1: in the league pretty much is now a hybrid where
Speaker 1: you're doing all kinds of things. And actually McCarthy said recently,
Speaker 1: don't get caught up so much in four three three
Speaker 1: fords about the techniques and so you know, you're going
Speaker 1: to see a little bit of everything, just like you
Speaker 1: see from a lot defenses. And when you look at
Speaker 1: Dan Quinn's background. He has coached three four schemes. He
Speaker 1: has been in hybrid schemes when he was in Miami
Speaker 1: with Nick Saban, a three four based scheme in New
Speaker 1: York with the Jets, So he doesn't he's he's he's
Speaker 1: been around a lot of different disciplines, so I think
Speaker 1: you're going to see a nice mix of that, And
Speaker 1: really I don't McCarthy was I wouldn't say defiance the
Speaker 1: word last year, but I feel like last year it
Speaker 1: wasn't so much about in his mind, we did this
Speaker 1: big scheme change and it was a failure. It was
Speaker 1: just they didn't execute well enough by until maybe towards
Speaker 1: the end of the season. Now, the run defense was
Speaker 1: a problem, but he didn't feel like there was so
Speaker 1: much on the players in terms of volume. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think they tried to do too much personally, but
Speaker 1: I think he felt like from an execution standpoint, it
Speaker 1: got better by December, and now you can try to
Speaker 1: build off of that and hopefully have some better communication
Speaker 1: than what you said in the off season. I think
Speaker 1: Dan Quinn's a big part of that because because under
Speaker 1: Mike Nolan, it just it wasn't getting done based on
Speaker 1: the off season work they had, and it was virtual
Speaker 1: and it was new, so that's you know, that was
Speaker 1: a challenge and I appreciate all of that, man, but
Speaker 1: the learning curve was not there. Okay, let's just keep
Speaker 1: it real. And you know the way that they looked,
Speaker 1: especially in certain situations. You just go back to the
Speaker 1: Cleveland game. I mean, like, duh, of course they weren't
Speaker 1: getting it. Yeah, teams going for three hundred yards rushing
Speaker 1: against you. And now he're talking about now you're in
Speaker 1: a situation where you are going to go back to
Speaker 1: the same defense as before. And I think the fan
Speaker 1: base is just asking what's going to be the difference
Speaker 1: between last year and this year? Hopefully as personnel, Hopefully
Speaker 1: as personnel, hopefully as simplifying the scheme. Hopefully guys are comfortable,
Speaker 1: and that's why you bring in your guys from Atlanta
Speaker 1: that know your system, no the terminology, and can execute
Speaker 1: and help other guys execute on the fly. I just
Speaker 1: want to kind of clarify this for any of those
Speaker 1: listening that may be asking the same action as I am,
Speaker 1: because I've heard this a couple of times from Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy and it may just be smoke screens. He needs
Speaker 1: to choose another smoke screen, I think if that's the case,
Speaker 1: But how much impact does he have on this defense?
Speaker 1: How much, say, does Mike McCarthy as the head coach have,
Speaker 1: even though he's an offensive mind and he always has been,
Speaker 1: how much input and impact does he have whenever he
Speaker 1: hops in those rooms as a head coach he makes
Speaker 1: any decision he wants to make sure. But I think
Speaker 1: when you hire a guy with dan Quinn's credentials, I
Speaker 1: think he's gonna have a lot of autonomy. I mean,
Speaker 1: you look at the draft itself, and what they did
Speaker 1: from a personnel standpoint is they found dan Quinn players.
Speaker 1: So I think from that standpoint, I think dan Quinn's
Speaker 1: going to have what he needs to run his scheme. Now,
Speaker 1: is Mike McCarthy going to spend a bunch of time
Speaker 1: in that room. I don't really think so. I think
Speaker 1: probably more. He's more of a walk around coach anyway.
Speaker 1: But if he's going to spend more time somewhere, depending
Speaker 1: on how things go, I would think it'd be in
Speaker 1: the offensive side of the room. And generals, generally speaking,
Speaker 1: I believe head coaches coach the coaches, you know, and
Speaker 1: just making sure that things operate at an optimal level.
Speaker 1: You know, obviously, if there's anything a scheme wise in game,
Speaker 1: he may have some tidbits, but you know, I believe
Speaker 1: that he's fully confident in Dan Quinn and his ability
Speaker 1: to direct this defense towards better, you know, better statistical
Speaker 1: numbers than we had last year. Lots of positives coming
Speaker 1: out of OTA's with some of these individuals hanging around.
Speaker 1: What about Dak Prescott? What are we seen from QB
Speaker 1: one as he's back on the field, he is throwing
Speaker 1: We've seen pictures. What were you guys able to see
Speaker 1: as a media whenever you walked into the Ford Center
Speaker 1: and we're able to kind of get your eyes on
Speaker 1: Dak for the first time in a uniform and quite
Speaker 1: some time. I did the blitz for Sunday Night on Friday,
Speaker 1: and what I said was, if you were under a
Speaker 1: rock for six months, okay, just see somebody's under a rock.
Speaker 1: They didn't see anything about the Cowboys last year. You're
Speaker 1: good for you lucky, I know, and you come out
Speaker 1: where do I find a rock? You come out of
Speaker 1: that rock and you think the Cowboys might have won
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. They didn't, unfortunately, and you saw Dak
Speaker 1: Prescott practice in that red jersey and you said, wow,
Speaker 1: he looks like Dak Prescott. I don't. I don't think
Speaker 1: you would have known that he had the injury he had.
Speaker 1: Now again, it's helmets and shorts. He's not getting any
Speaker 1: sort of sort of pass rush against him. They're keeping
Speaker 1: him out of that, which is really smart, by the way,
Speaker 1: because you got young players, especially on the defensive line,
Speaker 1: learning the pace of practice. You don't want anybody rolling
Speaker 1: up on that one hundred and sixty million dollars ankle,
Speaker 1: but from from a pocket presence, rolling out, making throws
Speaker 1: on the run, handoffs, everything. He just he looks confident
Speaker 1: on that ankle. Heck. Now, I gotta ask you, Rob,
Speaker 1: how do you like as far as your your worries
Speaker 1: about Dak, knowing the kind of player that he is,
Speaker 1: what are some of your concerns coming into this season,
Speaker 1: just knowing of that horrific injury that he had. What
Speaker 1: do you what are you concerned? If I had a
Speaker 1: concern right now, I think it would just be the
Speaker 1: timing for him, because he's been October since he was
Speaker 1: really on the field practicing timing with his receivers and
Speaker 1: then but I think by training camp he's gonna get
Speaker 1: that sorted out. Now. People made not made a big deal,
Speaker 1: but there were some plays he missed. There was an interception,
Speaker 1: there was a pass broken up. He takes chances in
Speaker 1: these practices. He always before the injury, he wants to
Speaker 1: kind of test. He even said it afterwards, like I
Speaker 1: want I want my receivers to know I'm gonna look
Speaker 1: for him, I'm gonna try to fit in a spot.
Speaker 1: So I wouldn't read into that, but I do think
Speaker 1: there's probably a bit of Russ there. And he talked
Speaker 1: about a psychological element there in terms of trusting his ankle.
Speaker 1: And again, I think by week one he says he's
Speaker 1: probably out of that already by now, but I think
Speaker 1: by week one there should be, you know, no second
Speaker 1: thoughts about you know, the health of his ankle and
Speaker 1: doing anything he needs to do on it. I love
Speaker 1: when we got an opportunity to listen to the conference
Speaker 1: call with Delta, Scholtz and Dalton Shows talking about the
Speaker 1: velocity of his ball and nothing changed from that aspect,
Speaker 1: And you know, it's I think it's the muscle memory
Speaker 1: of it for him as a quarterback that I think
Speaker 1: it makes it really easy going into his sixth season
Speaker 1: knowing what it is to prepare and be an NFL quarterback.
Speaker 1: I like everyone else, the obvious thing would be what
Speaker 1: happens once he gets pressure? Is he going to be
Speaker 1: apprehensive about leaving the pocket? Is it going to be
Speaker 1: on his mind? And right now, the way that he's
Speaker 1: practicing in shorts, it doesn't look like there's any residual
Speaker 1: effect there. Mentally, My thing for Dak is taking the
Speaker 1: next step. You know, the pressure is going to be
Speaker 1: on him because of the contract, and people are going
Speaker 1: to be Every throw is going to be under the microscope.
Speaker 1: If you want to get into the realm of the Roethlisburgers,
Speaker 1: the Rogers, the Wilson's, the Mahomes, the elite group, the
Speaker 1: elite group, be more cerebral in your approach, meaning you know,
Speaker 1: if calling audibles, when you catch a defensive coordinator in
Speaker 1: the wrong coverage you see them trying to do the package,
Speaker 1: is harrying up to the line of scrimmage and snapping
Speaker 1: the ball, those little nuanced things of football. I think
Speaker 1: those are the things that he has to improve upon
Speaker 1: so that he can be elevated to that next level
Speaker 1: of quarterbacks go for Sorry, I just to piggyback on that.
Speaker 1: I think by the time Romo got to like year
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen, when they got to the divisional round, that
Speaker 1: does catch year, he had completely gained the perfect understanding
Speaker 1: of his offense. He was like he was like a
Speaker 1: pilot that had every He knew everything there, what he'd seen,
Speaker 1: every coverage, and he was perfectly in control of that scheme.
Speaker 1: And I think for Dak it's just a matter of
Speaker 1: continuing to be in that scheme, and I think having
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore and having that carryover will help him there.
Speaker 1: But that's a shame about Romo's career is that once
Speaker 1: he got to that point twenty fifteen, then the collarbone
Speaker 1: injuries and then it was over. You know, there is
Speaker 1: a little something that does worry me about that, just
Speaker 1: because there was so much uncertainty around his contract situation
Speaker 1: and because of the injury, that could have been his
Speaker 1: time to you know, hit the playbooks and really kind
Speaker 1: of get to that point of understanding, and he may
Speaker 1: have done that. We'll see that pretty early on in
Speaker 1: the season if we can kind of see a scout
Speaker 1: difference of the kind of sill excuse me approach that
Speaker 1: you were talking about a moment ago. I think that's
Speaker 1: something that would stick out pretty early on Week one,
Speaker 1: two or three. Is there any worry about longevity though,
Speaker 1: with the ankle, with the physicality of this game in
Speaker 1: the longer season, because turning right back around, he's going
Speaker 1: to face hits. At some point he will be hit.
Speaker 1: Is there a chance that not maybe not Week five
Speaker 1: or six, but later in the season you start kind
Speaker 1: of worrying about that ankle and whether or not it
Speaker 1: is ready to take a staunch hit like he did
Speaker 1: of course last last year. Well, I think in this
Speaker 1: league you're always one hitaway. It's one hitaway. I mean,
Speaker 1: Dak looked indestructible through how seasons, you know, and it
Speaker 1: just it was a freak play other than maybe taking
Speaker 1: a couple of shots to the helmet and you've got
Speaker 1: to get a check for concussions, like he hadn't had anything,
Speaker 1: and he's still that guy. The ankle strong. Everything you hear,
Speaker 1: the ankle is strong. And I think one thing that
Speaker 1: would make Cowboys fans hopefully feel better about it is
Speaker 1: just think about Alan hearns okay. Alan Hearns had basically
Speaker 1: the same injury January of twenty nineteen. By OTAs of
Speaker 1: that year, he was on the field doing everything everything
Speaker 1: at the receiver position where you really got to rely
Speaker 1: on your legs and your speed. That's not Dak's game,
Speaker 1: or it doesn't have to be, and he doesn't have
Speaker 1: to be a guy that scrambles as much as he
Speaker 1: does in the future. He's talked about that. I don't
Speaker 1: really have a lot of concern about that. I think
Speaker 1: the ankle is strong and he's gonna be okay. Hopefully
Speaker 1: the offensive line stays healthy because they've had their injury concerns.
Speaker 1: Maybe if that's a concern I have, it's like they've
Speaker 1: got great lineman, can they stay healthy too. Did we
Speaker 1: hear any or see anything off of ly O'Collins Tyrant
Speaker 1: Smith health wise this week or was there really relatively
Speaker 1: no impact from what they did in OTAs They were
Speaker 1: there a little bit, right, Yeah, they were a little bit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Britt Brown and bands baby side. That's fun than practice itself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've heard. Yeah, he does a great job. I feel
Speaker 1: like training camps where we're really going to get an
Speaker 1: injury update on those two if I would have to guess,
Speaker 1: But there's plenty of guys that we were looking at
Speaker 1: for OTAs, two of which former dan Quinn guys. Who
Speaker 1: out of the Falcons team is going to make the
Speaker 1: biggest impact as a Dallas Cowboys under dan Quinn. We're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about that and debate when we come back
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Speaker 1: What was going on here? Sorr? Nah? See, what had
Speaker 1: happened was what had happened was well we were commune
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Speaker 1: you hear this? So we're not a priority. No, it's
Speaker 1: not at all. But I mean I thought I didn't
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Speaker 1: the gladdest night with other pips'. But then you reversed it.
Speaker 1: You just reversed it. Right now. All you needed was
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Speaker 1: on this Memorial Day talking about of course OTA's and
Speaker 1: running down what OTA's had in store this last week.
Speaker 1: We will see more this week from Inside the Star.
Speaker 1: But got a question on Twitter, and this is what
Speaker 1: we're going to take as our mail bag Monday segment.
Speaker 1: V Amir on Twitter, who does great work and has
Speaker 1: always sent us fantastic questions. He said, which former Falcons
Speaker 1: free agent will make the most impact for the Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys in year one? And We're gonna throw Dan Quinn
Speaker 1: out on this question because I would still kind of
Speaker 1: consider him in that group of former head coach of
Speaker 1: the Atlanta Falcons who is now the defensive coordinator. But
Speaker 1: Kean O'Neil and demonte Kazie, of course, both in the secondary,
Speaker 1: at least while they were in Atlanta, But we might
Speaker 1: see a couple changes there. Who makes the biggest impact,
Speaker 1: Rob And we'll start with you, because you had a
Speaker 1: great piece on Kean O'Neil and his switch to linebacker.
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you. I'll go with him. I'll go
Speaker 1: with him because I think we've talked about identity for
Speaker 1: this defense and what this defense need. They need an edge,
Speaker 1: they need a physicality, and you watch tape of him
Speaker 1: in Atlanta. That's what he brought. Man. He brought the wood,
Speaker 1: he brought some big hits. He brought another run defense stopper,
Speaker 1: a guy that played safety but was in the box
Speaker 1: a lot. And he's gonna beat down more just like
Speaker 1: he you know, in terms of this new linebacker role
Speaker 1: or this hybrid role, whatever he is. I think he's
Speaker 1: gonna bring more of what they need in terms of
Speaker 1: attitude and try and develop a personality. But I think
Speaker 1: both of them very well could be essentially weak one starters.
Speaker 1: So it's a good question. I mean, Casey probably, I
Speaker 1: mean on paper starting free safety, is that fair? Yeah? No,
Speaker 1: that's that's very fair. Yeah, but well you talk about Neil.
Speaker 1: One of the things that you just points out that
Speaker 1: on the roster has him at two fifteen to thirteen.
Speaker 1: He's a lot bigger than that. You could tell that
Speaker 1: he's put it. He's packed on some weight, but very mobile.
Speaker 1: Had had an achilles as well, but you don't see
Speaker 1: any residual X from that. He talked about his role
Speaker 1: on this defense and where he's gonna be and knowing
Speaker 1: that there's a simplified approach to dan Quinn's defense and
Speaker 1: what's going to be demanded of him, and I think
Speaker 1: that's what handles all of the pressure footing these guys.
Speaker 1: You have a clearly defined role within this defense, and
Speaker 1: he knows as the rover, as the nickel linebacker, hooks, curls,
Speaker 1: flat areas where he needs to be. And so the
Speaker 1: tight ends in the NFL right now just way too good.
Speaker 1: You know. You we go back always to the Levonte
Speaker 1: David because they won the Super Bowl. But what Levonte
Speaker 1: David did against Kelsey was phenomenal and probably couldn't have
Speaker 1: been done if the Chiefs are clicking on all cylinders
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl. So look, just knowing that he
Speaker 1: has a grasp of his defense I think gets him
Speaker 1: a leg up against everyone else. Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1: I think the fact that we're talking about the front
Speaker 1: seven so much this offseason, I think he's gonna have
Speaker 1: the greatest impact, you know with that right um, I
Speaker 1: think they're I think team's inability to really drop back.
Speaker 1: What we're hoping that their inability is to be able
Speaker 1: to drop back throw the ball is going to lead
Speaker 1: to the impact that Neil's gonna have. Being able to
Speaker 1: be in that box. And everybody's talking about this size.
Speaker 1: You don't have to be big. I don't know why
Speaker 1: this keeps coming up. If you're in the box, guy,
Speaker 1: you need to be big. But if you're you're outside
Speaker 1: the boxer kind of on the edge, you don't have
Speaker 1: to be big. You just have to be explosive. And
Speaker 1: the thing that dan Quinn's gonna ask you to do
Speaker 1: is play hard and play fast. And you just talked
Speaker 1: about his responsibilities. He has a very very you know,
Speaker 1: very detailed responsibility in this In his defense, he's asked
Speaker 1: to do those two things, and I think that's gonna
Speaker 1: be the expectation that I think he'll be able to
Speaker 1: deliver on those things. And I'm sorry, no people talk,
Speaker 1: you know, ask the question to him about coming from
Speaker 1: safety to linebacker and if there was going to be
Speaker 1: any problems with doing that, and he pointed out, as
Speaker 1: I've been a linebacker my whole career. I've been I
Speaker 1: was a linebacker in high school, as a linebacker in college,
Speaker 1: and so you know, making that move, I think, you
Speaker 1: know it's not enough. I guess people are making too
Speaker 1: much of it. Yeah, very much. So, I mean, when
Speaker 1: when you think about the safety position, I don't know
Speaker 1: how much people really understand when you're when you're playing safety,
Speaker 1: you got when by the time guys get you there
Speaker 1: at speed, all right, So by the time guys gets
Speaker 1: either at full speed, whether that's a running back you know,
Speaker 1: getting through the first two layers, or whether that as
Speaker 1: a receiver running their routes on air, pretty much you know,
Speaker 1: you have to deal with the best of what that
Speaker 1: person has to provide. Now you roll it down into
Speaker 1: the box and all of a sudden, I'm putting I'm
Speaker 1: putting more guys in less space, right, and these guys
Speaker 1: that don't have the ability to get up and use
Speaker 1: their athleticism to the highest power. So I think it
Speaker 1: puts him in a better position than he has been
Speaker 1: in the past. He did say he's gonna put on
Speaker 1: a little bit of weight, like five pounds, Yeah, something
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, but which you're losing camp probably that'll
Speaker 1: be camp Wait shedded. Now does it worry you at all?
Speaker 1: His injury history ACL tear in twenty eighteen, town Achilles
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen. I know there's not a ton of
Speaker 1: pressure on him to come in and be a game changer.
Speaker 1: He could be. He was a former first round pick.
Speaker 1: He's somebody that, at least in Atlanta was expected to
Speaker 1: be a game changer. Those expectations aren't the same here.
Speaker 1: But now with the switch to linebacker, a position that
Speaker 1: has been very well known around this organization, speci typically
Speaker 1: for how fragile they can be, does his injury history
Speaker 1: throw up a red flag and is switched to that spot? Nah?
Speaker 1: Not for me. I mean take it from somebody who's
Speaker 1: had a ton of injuries. I mean, each injury is
Speaker 1: his own deal, right, it's his own isolated an incident.
Speaker 1: You know, you know, you said it a little while ago.
Speaker 1: You know, everybody's one play away from being hurt and
Speaker 1: being injured. I should say, but you know, in regards
Speaker 1: to him and his achilles, I mean I've had the achilles, right,
Speaker 1: I came back bigger, faster, stronger. So I mean that
Speaker 1: mean that's the technology, science, all the stuff medicine has
Speaker 1: come so far. These guys and the type of player
Speaker 1: he is. He plays with his hair on fire, right,
Speaker 1: so you put him in that box and say, hey,
Speaker 1: go go, he's gonna do that. So I don't think
Speaker 1: that the injuries. You know, whether it's Dak or whether
Speaker 1: it's Collins or whether it's Smith, it doesn't matter. Everybody
Speaker 1: has a chance to get and to get injured. You
Speaker 1: just pray and ask you know that it doesn't happen. Well,
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to definitely just rethink achilles injuries altogether.
Speaker 1: Because demonte Kikes I had to stop and I had
Speaker 1: asked myself, like, did wait a minute, didn't he have
Speaker 1: AI He's a guy that you think is going to
Speaker 1: be on the sideline with Brett Brown working on bands,
Speaker 1: getting himself ready for camp, and he's out there flying
Speaker 1: around and so you know, maybe, like I said, modern
Speaker 1: medicine man is phenomenal in guy's ability to not be
Speaker 1: have an injury like this be so not a death sentence,
Speaker 1: but something that holds your career back for years before
Speaker 1: you can get back on the ground again. Barry Church
Speaker 1: came back better player after after his injury. Neil, I
Speaker 1: think he played fifteen games for Atlanta last year, so
Speaker 1: I think those injuries are behind him. He did have
Speaker 1: an ACL I think the year before that to me,
Speaker 1: you're looking at Kaze coming off the year before. But
Speaker 1: he looked good. To Hex's point, he looked good in
Speaker 1: this workout, A little bit of a surprise that he
Speaker 1: was doing as much as he was. So no, I
Speaker 1: don't don't. I don't think there should be any real
Speaker 1: concerns about especially Neil's injury. Well, he's shocked specifically talking
Speaker 1: about because he nine snaps short of a thousand and
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. I mean, he was a heavy usage in
Speaker 1: that Atlanta second area and it was his best year
Speaker 1: by far. Had an eighty straight up PF grade in
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, allowed ten receptions on nineteen targets, which is
Speaker 1: just over fifty percent. Of course, for those of you
Speaker 1: math nuts out there listening, eight hundred and eighty of
Speaker 1: his snaps came at free safety. So you mentioned in
Speaker 1: the in the beginning of the segment. Is he your
Speaker 1: free safety right now? Is because I keep seeing on
Speaker 1: Twitter and a lot of people are saying that there's
Speaker 1: not a free shafety on this roster. I disagree. I
Speaker 1: think Demante Casi is your free safety right now, alongside
Speaker 1: Donovan Wilson, who could also play a little bit of
Speaker 1: the free means the strong, but he could play some
Speaker 1: free as well. How flexible is that position right now
Speaker 1: as we look at it today, I think they've got
Speaker 1: some guys they feel I think they feel better about
Speaker 1: that position personnel wise than they did last year. Now
Speaker 1: we'll see, we'll see. I mean we got we got
Speaker 1: to camp last year. Feel pretty good about haw Hawk
Speaker 1: Clinton Dix exactly why exactly they did exactly finger he
Speaker 1: just throws it right in there. Weekend to camp, he
Speaker 1: was on the sideline and then he was cut by
Speaker 1: mid Seaton. Did he make it out of training No? No, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm forgetting. Yeah. There were a couple other guys that
Speaker 1: made it out of training camp but didn't make it
Speaker 1: through the season. Exactly. So Daryl Worley, Everson Griffin traded,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, not the best free class didn't work out,
Speaker 1: But look, dan Quinn, guys, I think having an understanding
Speaker 1: of his schemes important. Geron Curse is somebody that they
Speaker 1: think you talked about ability to cover tight ends from
Speaker 1: that safety position. They think he can do that. He
Speaker 1: was actually running with the ones last week. Donovan Wilson.
Speaker 1: They're mixing and matching at this point. I wouldn't read
Speaker 1: anything into that, but yeah, I think they feel a
Speaker 1: bit better about the personnel that they they've got compared
Speaker 1: to last year. We'll see what happens. It's very very early,
Speaker 1: So Isaiah, what are realistic expectations? Because the last thing
Speaker 1: we want to do is a show is get ahead
Speaker 1: of ourselves, kind of like we did last year where
Speaker 1: we were riding up a Defensive Player of the Year
Speaker 1: trophy for Everson Griffin. Everything but the inscription was already
Speaker 1: done on that thing by the time he got signed.
Speaker 1: So we are already hats and we were we were partying. Uh,
Speaker 1: where where do the expectations live for both of these guys?
Speaker 1: Because he and Neil we've talked about them and where
Speaker 1: they fit into the scheme. Of course they've got a
Speaker 1: head start there. Should we expect them to be starter caliber?
Speaker 1: I think you can expecting to be starter caliber just
Speaker 1: from the standpoint of the leadership right where they're coming from.
Speaker 1: They understand the concept, they understand exactly what you know,
Speaker 1: Coach Quinn's putting down. You know so, But in terms
Speaker 1: of being just your longevity guy who just plays, you know,
Speaker 1: all all seventy snaps, I don't see that. I don't
Speaker 1: see that whatsoever. I think at the second level we're
Speaker 1: going to be seeing, you know, a whole bunch of
Speaker 1: guys coming in. I think in the secondary we're gonna
Speaker 1: be seeing a little rotation as well. You know, we
Speaker 1: got that. We got six four Israel sitting back there.
Speaker 1: You know that, we can't forget about that. Dude's a beast.
Speaker 1: I cannot wait to see him with pads on. So
Speaker 1: I think if you have the resurgence of some of
Speaker 1: these young guys that are coming in here, that are
Speaker 1: going to be fighting um to and being competitive, you know,
Speaker 1: this environment is going to change. The environment is going
Speaker 1: to become a lot more competitive. So I think you'll
Speaker 1: seee the leadership being asked of those older gentlemen and
Speaker 1: then these young guys coming in and challenging them. And
Speaker 1: I really believe that the strength of this defense may
Speaker 1: be in some of their sub packages and bringing in
Speaker 1: you know, fresh guys and Israel the rookie going in
Speaker 1: and free safety and just mixing it up with the
Speaker 1: different looks, you know, but having guys like Kazie and
Speaker 1: Neil on your team to be able to let the
Speaker 1: learning curve be a lot less for your younger guys.
Speaker 1: That's where I think that the divide is made up.
Speaker 1: You know, it's just being able to get these guys
Speaker 1: coached up on the field and answer some of these
Speaker 1: questions in real time that obviously you'll get in the
Speaker 1: classroom as well. But just realizing where we are as
Speaker 1: far as how athletic the linebacker room is now, how athletic,
Speaker 1: how much more athletic, or how much more confidence you
Speaker 1: have in the safety positions, All of those things I
Speaker 1: think are relative. But again, let's slow down, gym shoes.
Speaker 1: Let's not do it again. Let's not done again, because
Speaker 1: we know that during camp a lot of this in
Speaker 1: live action. Right now, it's all friendly fire, but when
Speaker 1: it goes comes down to live action, that's where we're
Speaker 1: going to see some of these guys, you know, make
Speaker 1: separation Okay, get the pads on. Oh yeah, that's gonna
Speaker 1: be a big key to whoever has some success whenever
Speaker 1: training camp does come around. So we only have a
Speaker 1: couple more shows prior to our little break that we
Speaker 1: normally take in the middle of the summer, So we're
Speaker 1: gonna already start kind of looking ahead a little bit
Speaker 1: to training camp and maybe some crowded rooms that are
Speaker 1: going to have to be addressed with questions quite like
Speaker 1: the ones we just talked about. Who are those crowded rooms?
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Speaker 1: of talking Cowboys analysts. Isaiah Isaiah, cold old blooded him?
Speaker 1: You do you do? You call it like you see it,
Speaker 1: So let's call it like you see it. How about this?
Speaker 1: We had a jersey number switch. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't think it's a big deal on my side because
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess it's gonna happen regardless, and there's
Speaker 1: nothing you can do about it. However, it's a big
Speaker 1: deal to a lot of people because there's one certain
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith who has now combined his five and his
Speaker 1: four to make a nine on his jersey, one of
Speaker 1: the few jersey changes we did see throughout the Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys whenever OTA's opened up. Mister Isaiah Stanback, you were
Speaker 1: one that had actually donned a jersey in the fel
Speaker 1: How important is that number change? And what do you
Speaker 1: think about the one with Jalen smn You're asking the
Speaker 1: wrong person because I never cared about numbers. See I
Speaker 1: don't either, really, I don't care about numbers. I hope
Speaker 1: that it's financially beneficial to him, because I have my
Speaker 1: understanding is that he had to he had to cut
Speaker 1: a nice little check to get that, and I guess
Speaker 1: my understanding is that you have to pay out the
Speaker 1: remaining inventory um for those jerseys. I'm not half a
Speaker 1: million dollars. Half a million dollars he paid out. It
Speaker 1: means a lot to him that yeah, half a million wow,
Speaker 1: But no, no, no, would you do that? But because
Speaker 1: now you're a business owner, you're a family man. All
Speaker 1: of those things makes like when you think half a
Speaker 1: million dollars, you think you know milk, right brand, it's
Speaker 1: a life, I mean, I mean, if it's that important
Speaker 1: to him, then it's that important to him. I mean,
Speaker 1: but personally, I've never cared that much about numbers. I
Speaker 1: understand why people are probably up in arms because, especially
Speaker 1: here at Cowboys Nation, means something. The nine means something
Speaker 1: to people, and then so do a bunch of other numbers,
Speaker 1: right there's I mean, shoot, half the dog on numbers
Speaker 1: are probably gone here within the Cowboys because of the
Speaker 1: amount of great players that have come through here. But
Speaker 1: in terms of Jayleen, hey do what you do, man,
Speaker 1: You got the bread to do it by buy your
Speaker 1: jersey number back. I mean, you were nine, you know,
Speaker 1: you went to fifty four, you made another nine version
Speaker 1: and none of you coming back. So guys are some
Speaker 1: guys are attached to their numbers. Some guys are really attached.
Speaker 1: It doesn't have anything to do with how they play
Speaker 1: on the field though, absolutely nothing. No look good, play
Speaker 1: good something it has to be yeah, I mean for Jayleen,
Speaker 1: I have over the last couple of weeks, especially when
Speaker 1: he announced that Jersey change the venom from fan base
Speaker 1: from the fan base and people just saying, you know,
Speaker 1: what differences to make? How dare you do this? And
Speaker 1: just wearing fifty four and what fifty four means to
Speaker 1: the franchise. I think it's really interesting a guy like
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith that when you look at what he's done
Speaker 1: on the field, and I know this is in popular
Speaker 1: opinion right now, but eighty solo tackles averaging for the
Speaker 1: last three years, one hundred and fifty four tackles last year.
Speaker 1: If you're looking around the league and you're comparing these numbers,
Speaker 1: are you giving the same criticism to other linebackers. Let's
Speaker 1: just say Layden Vanderesh had one hundred and fifty four
Speaker 1: tackles last year. Are you criticizing Laden Vanders the same
Speaker 1: way that you're put in the criticism on Jaylen Smith?
Speaker 1: Is it doesn't bother you that much that he's a
Speaker 1: businessman that he swipes. I mean, Layten Vanderess has a
Speaker 1: whole wolf call if he just lands around the pile.
Speaker 1: What I'm just trying to understand where the vendom comes from.
Speaker 1: Guys coming from this direction, what do you do you
Speaker 1: care about the number of jo I don't care. Do
Speaker 1: you care about the numbers? I do not? How about yeah?
Speaker 1: So we the people? Yeah, no, people care. People people
Speaker 1: do here. I mean, but I can't speak on that.
Speaker 1: I think it comes down. Look, he put a post
Speaker 1: on Twitter showed pictures of him growing up wearing it.
Speaker 1: If it like you said, if it means that most
Speaker 1: of him and the Jones will say yeah, where it,
Speaker 1: it's fine, then fine. I mean, there are no retired
Speaker 1: numbers in this franchise. There are numbers that are kind
Speaker 1: of unofficially untouchable. There hasn't been a twenty two. There
Speaker 1: hasn't been a twelve, there hasn't been I mean, there's
Speaker 1: been eighty eights, but there hasn't been certain numbers eight.
Speaker 1: I think fans wanted nine to be in that category. Okay,
Speaker 1: if you feel that way because you've always loved Tony Romo, fine,
Speaker 1: If you don't care like we do, fine, I don't
Speaker 1: think it really matters. That's kind of what I said.
Speaker 1: Lead again, It's like, I think it's a moot point
Speaker 1: because you can't change anything about it. It's not going
Speaker 1: to change, he wanted, he went and got the one
Speaker 1: problem is with Romo fans to say, how dare you
Speaker 1: I want I want receipts if you're a Romo fan
Speaker 1: and say you are I want receipts because there are
Speaker 1: so many fans that thought Romo was just awful and
Speaker 1: sucked and get him out of here and he's overrated
Speaker 1: and he's not a lead and all this stuff, and
Speaker 1: then time passes and it's like, oh man, he's the
Speaker 1: greatest ever. God we didn't give him enough open It's like,
Speaker 1: I just think it's it's revisionist history with Tony Romo
Speaker 1: and one day because when you're in that chair, you're
Speaker 1: playing that position, you're compared to Aikman and Roger and
Speaker 1: Dak's getting some of that now and it's not fair.
Speaker 1: So for fans that are open arms, how do you
Speaker 1: feel about Tony back there? That is all I want
Speaker 1: to know. I love what Rob just said. I don't
Speaker 1: know whoever puts together the little cow bites and whatever
Speaker 1: that are on like our website that needs the best
Speaker 1: of one. That was that's really good, really well said,
Speaker 1: because you can't wish wash your way around the same
Speaker 1: thing with Jalen Smith. I mean, if you're not not
Speaker 1: for him, stay not for him, because if he comes
Speaker 1: around and has a really good year, we're gonna see
Speaker 1: the receipts as well, and we're gonna we're gonna want
Speaker 1: those two. So I mean, I am at just as
Speaker 1: much of a skeptic around his game as anybody. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm the same thing with Layton Vanderesh. I've not sold
Speaker 1: on either one of those guys, but we're we're gonna
Speaker 1: see how that works out with the nine in the
Speaker 1: linebacking corps here coming up this year. So final couple
Speaker 1: minutes here, we do have a lot of crowded rooms
Speaker 1: whenever it comes to the Cowboys and their roster heading
Speaker 1: into training camp here in a couple of months or
Speaker 1: I guess what would that be a month and a
Speaker 1: half now, six weeks latest July, about six weeks from
Speaker 1: now training caps Oh my lord, ye, So yeah, running
Speaker 1: out of time in terms of picking out who could
Speaker 1: be the odd man out in some certain scenarios. Corner
Speaker 1: wide receiver, edge rusher, linebacker. Lots of bodies put into
Speaker 1: those four positions. Is there one that sticks out to
Speaker 1: you guys, at least watching from OTAs that is quite
Speaker 1: crowded right now and is going to have to see
Speaker 1: some trim whenever we get closer into the summer. Well,
Speaker 1: right now, the cornerback position is going to be that's
Speaker 1: the one to watch. There's eleven guys at corner on
Speaker 1: the roster right now. Yeah, County Reggie Robinson, Yes, sir,
Speaker 1: and Reggie and hey, we saw a spark playing corner
Speaker 1: corner and he looked good on the ball and he
Speaker 1: looked good yea. You know, so you might have been
Speaker 1: playing safety on Wednesday, but on whatever day we were
Speaker 1: out there. Yeah, but when you when you look at
Speaker 1: guys like you know, Anthony Brown, Jordan Lewis, um Digs.
Speaker 1: Obviously he didn't have much to worry about. But still
Speaker 1: that first group, you could tell from those veteran guys
Speaker 1: that they recognize that they're on the hot seat. I
Speaker 1: mean they're practicing it like they are on the hot set. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, and so I mean it obviously has to
Speaker 1: be there, you guy Naean, right, he did for hey, hey, Nashan,
Speaker 1: you know, made another player on the ball. And there's
Speaker 1: just little things that you're starting to see. Kelvin Joseph
Speaker 1: again Footworth wise. I mean, these young guys are going
Speaker 1: to and you want to see them put the pads
Speaker 1: on and see what they do in live action. But
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, man, there, this is a really good group,
Speaker 1: and it's the position battles. It might be epic. I agree.
Speaker 1: I'm that room is stacked right now. And I mean
Speaker 1: what we talked about, you know, after the hiring of
Speaker 1: Dan Queen, it was about competition and how important that
Speaker 1: is to him and his culture. And we're seeing it,
Speaker 1: We're seeing it, We're seeing it show up and I
Speaker 1: think you're going to continue to see that all the
Speaker 1: way through training camp. And guess what, Competition has never
Speaker 1: made a team worse, No, never, never, now never. Last
Speaker 1: year after training camp, the Cowboys took five guys at cornerback,
Speaker 1: Trayvon Diggs, Anthony Brown, Jordan Lewis, which I think this
Speaker 1: year you could say those are the three locks out
Speaker 1: of the cornerback group. Then after that it was Cheeto
Speaker 1: and Daryl Worley after that, so that those were the
Speaker 1: five last year. So you put those three guys, speaking
Speaker 1: of Brown, Lewis, Diggs, in this group, what is there
Speaker 1: two more spots left and there's Reggie Robinson, Joseph two
Speaker 1: draft picks are making this team Nayshan Wright. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: on the there's already three guys right there, right, Jordan
Speaker 1: Lewis is interesting because, huh three guys? You mean you
Speaker 1: factor in Israel throw him in a secondary too. Is
Speaker 1: he gonna be considered a safety? That probably in the
Speaker 1: safety I mean, but but and he goes into that
Speaker 1: same pdbs. Yeah, right, there were ten last year. There's
Speaker 1: only so many dbs that you're taken. I think, you know,
Speaker 1: dan Quinn will probably have He's they're gonna play it,
Speaker 1: figure it out. They got two more roster spots though, right,
Speaker 1: we still have fifty five now or we still it's
Speaker 1: fifty five on game day. You can't have to the
Speaker 1: squad elevations. Yeah, So, I mean it's gonna be tight.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be real tight. It's real tight at corner.
Speaker 1: I mean, I Kelvin Joseph may not be a walking starter,
Speaker 1: but he's gonna play. Oh he'll he'll make the roster.
Speaker 1: He's gonna play. So there's four spots. We're talking about
Speaker 1: one spot here, and it's gonna be decided between a
Speaker 1: third round pick this year and a fourth round pick
Speaker 1: last year. I just think Nashawn Right is gonna make
Speaker 1: this team. I just don't think they drafted him not
Speaker 1: to develop him and you know, work with him. Even
Speaker 1: if he's not gonna play year one, he's gonna be
Speaker 1: on special teams. I'd be surprised if he didn't make
Speaker 1: this team. I'm with you on Anthony Brown. He's a
Speaker 1: veteran guy. Dig's obviously a starter. Jordan Lewis is interesting
Speaker 1: because he's played different spots. I mean, he's been in
Speaker 1: the box, he's been safety, something like could they move
Speaker 1: him around maybe and maybe that'll give you some flex
Speaker 1: at the corner position. Um, but yeah, it's it's gonna
Speaker 1: be interesting. I think they're probably gonna take six this year, right,
Speaker 1: there's a chance they take six corners, and then one
Speaker 1: of those is maybe like a dB corner hybrid type
Speaker 1: thing like safety corner goes back and forth, Like you said,
Speaker 1: maybe with a Jordan Lewis or maybe a guy like
Speaker 1: Reggie Robinson, who is now, of course, spent a year
Speaker 1: in both categories. What about wide receiver on the offensive
Speaker 1: side of the ball. We've talked a little bit about
Speaker 1: that spot previously, but can any of these guys, at
Speaker 1: least based off of what you've seen so far challenge
Speaker 1: the likes of maybe as Cedric Wilson or Noah Browning.
Speaker 1: Isaiah's just shaking his head. Yeah, I'm waiting on the
Speaker 1: wide receiver. You know, it's not great radio. I don't
Speaker 1: want to I don't want to say too much before
Speaker 1: training camp. Based upon what I've seen. I don't see
Speaker 1: anybody challenging their spots currently. We'll see once training camp
Speaker 1: shows up, We'll see once. Once once Pittsburgh, you know,
Speaker 1: steps on the field, we'll see what guys bring to
Speaker 1: the table. Because special teams are gonna be a big
Speaker 1: part of that as well, and that's really what you're
Speaker 1: gonna see their impact in those areas as well as
Speaker 1: playing this receiver. I think Cedric Wilson would have had
Speaker 1: a huge training I mean, he did have a huge
Speaker 1: training camp, but I think it would have had a
Speaker 1: huge preseason last year if it would have had the chance.
Speaker 1: You know, I always hear you talk about the learning
Speaker 1: curve for wide receivers coming into the league and what
Speaker 1: it was like for you being in the group, So
Speaker 1: I can just only imagine what it's like for guys
Speaker 1: like send me for Hokol and some of these undrafted
Speaker 1: kids guys, and you know, look, they're trying to find
Speaker 1: a spot amongst a bonafide superstar group. And so then
Speaker 1: you have guys behind them that have pretty much solidified themselves.
Speaker 1: I think Noah Brown, if we're just gonna point out anyone,
Speaker 1: he may be the one spot that may be up
Speaker 1: for the taking. If someone can can you know, you know,
Speaker 1: unseen him. So it's gonna take a lot. It's gonna
Speaker 1: take a lot simply because of his understanding of the
Speaker 1: offense and because of his contributions on special teams. That's
Speaker 1: the kicker. That's the one. Because the special teams coordinator
Speaker 1: has some sway in the room. I mean, he's got
Speaker 1: the last call. He absolutely I mean for those I'm
Speaker 1: sorry for those that don't know that, the special teams
Speaker 1: coordinator when they all sit at the table and say, okay,
Speaker 1: well we got we got these two guys, and they're
Speaker 1: gonna say, ruh, He's gonna say who has the most impact,
Speaker 1: John Fossil, who's the most versatile, Who has the most impact? Right,
Speaker 1: who is it that you have to have on the field?
Speaker 1: And all in all, you know, every every sequence. So
Speaker 1: I mean absolutely, absolutely, right Fossil is gonna have a
Speaker 1: huge saying this. I and just watching Cedric Wilson last week,
Speaker 1: I make a ton of plays or anything. But like
Speaker 1: you remember, he was really good for them last year
Speaker 1: in his role. I mean really good. And if Dak
Speaker 1: had been there the whole year, they had a great connection,
Speaker 1: Like I know Seattle game. Yeah, Like I know, he's
Speaker 1: making two million bucks and Dad, can you know you
Speaker 1: look at the statu of the salary sheet and you're like, okay,
Speaker 1: if Phoco, well he's making if he can push a
Speaker 1: guy that's making two million bucks with your cap situation,
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I think he's a guy that
Speaker 1: really in a receiver rotation. Dak likes him. He's a
Speaker 1: good player, that's the thing. So Dak likes him. And
Speaker 1: then you factor in the standpoint we need to see
Speaker 1: how these guys block him. Yeah, how are they going
Speaker 1: to block? Because running the running game is so is
Speaker 1: such an important portion of with this offense, especially now,
Speaker 1: especially now right, if these guys are unwilling to get
Speaker 1: in there and put which we know Noah Brown, Cygil Wilson,
Speaker 1: we know these guys to get in there and get dirty. Right,
Speaker 1: So you got Phoco and you got some of these
Speaker 1: new guys. If you don't want to show up me
Speaker 1: and get dirty, then you might as well go go
Speaker 1: ahead and post up. Yeah, it's not gonna work out
Speaker 1: for you too quickly whenever training camp comes around because
Speaker 1: of how crowded that room is, other crowded rooms in
Speaker 1: the front seven edge rusher linebacker with that drusher specifically,
Speaker 1: I think this is gonna be really fun. Tank and
Speaker 1: Gregory and then what a cluster after that? Dorin's Armstrong,
Speaker 1: Bradley and I basham Carlos watch or excuse me, Brent Urban. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Chauncey Golston is watched for and I think bash him.
Speaker 1: They brought in bash him and a lot of people
Speaker 1: kind of like it's, you know, why would they make that,
Speaker 1: you know, guy that's kind of unproven, high draft pick,
Speaker 1: hadn't shown it, but his energy and his ability to
Speaker 1: you know, want, his want to you see you see
Speaker 1: it being there, and I think if they could coach
Speaker 1: this guy up and if he can get around some
Speaker 1: of these veteran guys and emulate some of what they do.
Speaker 1: And we don't want to emulate everything from last season,
Speaker 1: but I'm just saying some of those he is a
Speaker 1: guy that is going a hundred miles per hour all
Speaker 1: the time. And if you're a guy going one hundred
Speaker 1: miles per hour and you don't have the moves in
Speaker 1: your wheelhouse, you get stuck. Right, He's stuck in mud
Speaker 1: mid move. He's just Those are some of the things
Speaker 1: that he has to cultivate. But he could be someone
Speaker 1: that pushes another guy, maybe adoring song Strong, maybe a Bradley,
Speaker 1: a Ni Kyle. Yeah, I don't. I don't like that.
Speaker 1: I know you don't. But Bradley looked good. Bradley looked
Speaker 1: like he's wait, yeah, yeah, I mean he looks more explosive.
Speaker 1: I think those are the things that happened to a
Speaker 1: guy in the second year in the league. Did he
Speaker 1: gain a couple inches on his arms? He did not.
Speaker 1: That's tough to do. Dang it, it's worth a shot.
Speaker 1: I thought I would at least ask can Terrell Basham
Speaker 1: be this year's Alden Smith. That's a good question. Kind
Speaker 1: of an undersung signing who had, of course a great
Speaker 1: past but or not a great pass but at least
Speaker 1: a high performance passed with the early draft pick and
Speaker 1: whatnot work his way into the starting lineup. And actually
Speaker 1: produce a little bit. I think he's gonna play. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna play quite a bit. I mean, I think he
Speaker 1: was a guy that was on a bad team last
Speaker 1: year but was productive and the motor is exactly it.
Speaker 1: That's what they like about him, and they liked him
Speaker 1: a lot coming out. You know, they knew about him
Speaker 1: coming out of the draft. So I think he's gonna
Speaker 1: have a role, a defined role, and maybe you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's gonna play as much as
Speaker 1: Alden did, but he's gonna be in the rotation. I'd
Speaker 1: be shocked if he wasn't. I think that would be
Speaker 1: That's a fun one to look out for because I
Speaker 1: think he as compared to the draft picks, I mean,
Speaker 1: with Chauncey Golston and some of these other guys, he's
Speaker 1: one of the last talked about and I think he
Speaker 1: should be one of the first talked about it right
Speaker 1: after Tank and Gregory, right in that defensive line group.
Speaker 1: So we've mentioned some of these position groups. What about
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator Gentleman, because we do have another voice in
Speaker 1: the pile this year, in the room this year, on
Speaker 1: the second week in a row, Ben McAdoo pressure on
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore maybe. I mean, of course McAdoo was pretty
Speaker 1: decent as the offensive coordinator for the Giants in twenty
Speaker 1: fourteen and twenty fifteen. Kellen Moore has to improve when
Speaker 1: it comes to the red zone that I mean, bottom line,
Speaker 1: that's where his weakness is. McAdoo was pretty good in
Speaker 1: the red zone during his time in New York. Isaiah,
Speaker 1: you gave me a little smirk whenever I mentioned Ben McAdoo.
Speaker 1: What do you know about for the Giants? It wasn't
Speaker 1: during that time, though, it was not during that time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're gonna see what mac would do, because I mean,
Speaker 1: we're gonna see what he does. And as a consultant,
Speaker 1: by the way, absolutely he's a consultant. And I honestly
Speaker 1: don't know how um influential UM consultants are when it
Speaker 1: comes to the team. I have never been in a
Speaker 1: position where there was a higher consultant. Now there were
Speaker 1: other guys around, but um, we'll see. You know, maybe
Speaker 1: he'd maybe he'd just be kind of a big brother
Speaker 1: to killing more and maybe it's somebody he can lean
Speaker 1: kind of lean on, you know. If I don't, I
Speaker 1: don't know Keiller Moore enough to know if he if
Speaker 1: he's somebody that would ask, you know, that'll kind of
Speaker 1: step up the side of himself to ask for others
Speaker 1: opinions or other point of views. Um. But you know,
Speaker 1: as somebody who's been around the league for a little bit,
Speaker 1: maybe and it never hurts to have another voice around
Speaker 1: unless they're just really trying to overthrow what you're doing.
Speaker 1: So I don't have much to say aside from another
Speaker 1: it's another it's another brain and in the room, man,
Speaker 1: that's a political answer right there. Like that, that's how
Speaker 1: you run for a position. I don't think it's political though,
Speaker 1: because I don't. We don't really know what he's gonna do.
Speaker 1: We don't really know his role. What what does consultant mean?
Speaker 1: I don't really know. Right we have consultants out here
Speaker 1: coaching the linebackers. So I mean there's all things being
Speaker 1: considered equal, and I think we have to look at
Speaker 1: that and absolutely look when you talk about his success
Speaker 1: and what he was able to do in New York,
Speaker 1: right red zone specialists if you want to call him
Speaker 1: any of that. Kyle last week talked about the creativity
Speaker 1: of the offense kind of lagging. Maybe that's where he
Speaker 1: comes in and gives some pointers. You know, I think
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore obviously he's unbothered either way it goes because
Speaker 1: he's should be. It's his job, right, and he recognizes
Speaker 1: in the personnel and the guys that have played under
Speaker 1: him believe in him. Hadn't heard anything to the contrary
Speaker 1: around here. So whatever McAdoo is going to do, it's
Speaker 1: going to him to add. It's going to be adding
Speaker 1: to what we already have, not taking away. I agree,
Speaker 1: another set of eyes, sounding board, whatever you want to
Speaker 1: call it. You mentioned linebackers. I was thinking the same thing.
Speaker 1: George Edward accomplished coach available brought him in last year.
Speaker 1: Now that was a coaching role, kind of helping with
Speaker 1: the linebackers. Um, I think in terms of helping with Dak,
Speaker 1: helping maybe even some of the game planning stuff. Maybe
Speaker 1: he's gonna be involved there. But Kellen Moore just got
Speaker 1: contract extension. Man, Yeah, he's good. There's no threat there.
Speaker 1: I mean, like if it is, it's not been Macado.
Speaker 1: I don't think no, it's I mean, like I said,
Speaker 1: it's just you're sitting in a meeting room. You know,
Speaker 1: you have you have Deak Prescott you got Kellen Moore
Speaker 1: on one side, you got macadoo on the other side,
Speaker 1: and Kellen Moore is coaching up Dak and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, you McAdoo taps him on the shoulders like, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, check this out. That's it. That's that's what
Speaker 1: I that's why I foresee And then maybe in the
Speaker 1: game planning, yeah, you know, he says, hey, how about
Speaker 1: you guys think about this. Yeah, that's that's it. That's
Speaker 1: all I foresee him doing. But we don't know. He's
Speaker 1: been with McCarthy three different spots. That's boy. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: and that's what coaches do. That's what coaches about their friends.
Speaker 1: That's called the coaching tree for reads. Shake it, a
Speaker 1: guy falls out, that's been macado. Here we go. Ben
Speaker 1: mcadoo's gonna be in training camp. He's gonna talk to
Speaker 1: Michael Gallup. He's gonna be like, hey, Michael, hey, do
Speaker 1: the one handed catch thing over the top of a
Speaker 1: Cowboys dB Rob. I'm just just I didn't we didn't
Speaker 1: get a text message when he was on ESPN. Well,
Speaker 1: I was gonna back. This side of the room is
Speaker 1: na ESPN. That side of the room is YESPC. The segregation. Wow. Wow,
Speaker 1: I mean, did you get an invite? I did not.
Speaker 1: I did not either. So you're saying that mcadoo's getting
Speaker 1: pulled up by his boy, but they didn't. I think
Speaker 1: I did invite you at one point whenever heck like missed.
Speaker 1: I think I did invite Isaiah and he said, nah, man,
Speaker 1: I don't want to do it. I should have called Rob. No, No,
Speaker 1: I didn't. The key word there was think look and
Speaker 1: the thing is and the thing is about it is
Speaker 1: you have to show some professionalism and be on time
Speaker 1: the first time and together up he Wait a minute, maybe, no,
Speaker 1: it's coming. You know it's coming. You don't have to
Speaker 1: go one hundred miles fur your tesla. What's going on
Speaker 1: with the state troopers around here? Man? Somebody to get
Speaker 1: this guy boy. I told him I knew somebody who
Speaker 1: worked for ESPN. You guys, so let's go. You're gonna
Speaker 1: be a lot a lot slower on the way back
Speaker 1: while driving. Oh that's gonna do it for us on
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