Speaker 1: Welcome to desperately devoted Join us as we explore the
Speaker 1: human experience through the lens of the iconic show Desperate Housewives.
Speaker 1: I'm Terry Hatcher, I'm Andrea Bowen.
Speaker 2: And I'm Emerson Tunny.
Speaker 1: We are so glad to be back because this week
Speaker 1: we are getting to hear from someone with more memories
Speaker 1: from the street where it happened. This week, we have
Speaker 1: an incredibly talented actor who you'll know not only from Housewives,
Speaker 1: but from shows like Madmen and Homeland. You might think
Speaker 1: his character is creepy, but stay with us because the
Speaker 1: real man behind the gun and the shovel and the tranquilizers, well,
Speaker 1: he is a total sweetheart. Please welcome Mark Moses. So
Speaker 1: I guess, like, as we talk to you, this is
Speaker 1: going to be interesting sort of spoiler alert, because Emerson
Speaker 1: has not actually seen the show.
Speaker 2: This is my first time. I mean, I've watched the pilot,
Speaker 2: but this is my first time watching the whole show
Speaker 2: all the way through.
Speaker 1: So I think, like, they're like, you'll probably remember a
Speaker 1: big thing much later in the last season that happens
Speaker 1: between Mike and Susan, But like, I'm not saying those
Speaker 1: things because I don't want to give it away, and
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but if it gets given away, I
Speaker 2: will just I'll just forget it.
Speaker 1: I'll just forget it.
Speaker 3: So we're going to I don't think I would know
Speaker 3: anything that happens between Mike and Susan anyway, So.
Speaker 4: That let's start with that.
Speaker 3: I know a little bit about it, vaguely seeing it
Speaker 3: again for the first time in so many years. Just now.
Speaker 3: Actually it's great now because the commercials are shorter, and
Speaker 3: that it was just it was. It was really enlightening
Speaker 3: about what a great show it was. I mean, from
Speaker 3: everything from the graphics to the opening, to the how
Speaker 3: quickly the plot moved, which I'd forgotten about. It really
Speaker 3: moves quickly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally agree with you. I felt like the
Speaker 1: first thing, the first like thirty seconds, I was like
Speaker 1: with Steria Lane is a star like I could not
Speaker 1: believe the way it was shot, the way it was edited,
Speaker 1: the lighting. What you're saying about how quick it moved
Speaker 1: and how much story got revealed so quickly, how it
Speaker 1: just pulled you in. It was it's it stood the
Speaker 1: test of time, don't you.
Speaker 3: Think I think it's I look at it now and go, wow,
Speaker 3: they are not making serious that good anymore interesting.
Speaker 1: We will.
Speaker 3: I thought about it back then, I thought it was
Speaker 3: well done, and now I look at it and go, wow,
Speaker 3: it really was a good show. And I'm glad there's
Speaker 3: a whole new audience like Emerson to watch it. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yo, Yeah, and your character Paul Young is so integral.
Speaker 3: You know, everybody's having so much fun and there I
Speaker 3: am like gloom and doom in the dark Shadows across
Speaker 3: the Street. Third episode with Zach and then he comes
Speaker 3: in and he's so good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's great.
Speaker 3: It was so well cast. And we did miss we
Speaker 3: did miss missus Hubert Christine Esterbrook. She was such a
Speaker 3: good busy body.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you. Like the cast was so great,
Speaker 1: the writing was so great, the way, I mean, just
Speaker 1: the whole It kind of brought up a sense of
Speaker 1: pride of like, wow, I was actually in this, you know,
Speaker 1: because I had sort of forgotten and I hadn't watched
Speaker 1: it probably in twenty years whatever, And yeah, it really
Speaker 1: was kind of stunning actually to just like the pilot,
Speaker 1: especially I mean the opening with Mary Alice and Brenda
Speaker 1: Strong and I mean you never saw stuff like that
Speaker 1: on television.
Speaker 3: No, and I was always surprised that there wasn't a
Speaker 3: copycat show until Maybe Empire came out. I mean really,
Speaker 3: I thought the other nighttime well, it was a little
Speaker 3: bit of a nighttime soap opera, but a funny one.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Actually, speaking of Terry mentioning the whole thing
Speaker 4: with Mary Alice, you know, starting the series off with
Speaker 4: someone dying by suicide, and you know how that relates
Speaker 4: to you informing your character and your care's journey and
Speaker 4: the whole mystery that we don't really understand what's going
Speaker 4: on with you and what your relationship was. I had
Speaker 4: a question for you about did you and Brenda talk
Speaker 4: about what your relationship was like even though we don't
Speaker 4: see that much of it playing out on screen.
Speaker 1: No, okay, next question.
Speaker 3: Okay, we didn't really talk. I mean we we got along,
Speaker 3: we talked, we met, we talked about. One of the
Speaker 3: reasons we didn't was because I don't know if Mark
Speaker 3: cherry knew exactly where it was going all the time. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's I mean, I think I think it developed as
Speaker 3: we went and I don't even think at the beginning
Speaker 3: anybody really understood what the Young Family was about. I mean,
Speaker 3: it sort of just started that way and then it
Speaker 3: was a sort of dark, and then it got a
Speaker 3: little darker, and then they'd say, no, just keep playing
Speaker 3: it this way, and so it's sort of evolved. I
Speaker 3: think some of the other characters and some of the
Speaker 3: comedy that Mark wrote was more in his ballpark. But
Speaker 3: I think that storyline was a little bit like what
Speaker 3: are we going to do with this? And will it work?
Speaker 3: And then but you know that toy chest, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm curious, do you do you remember reading the
Speaker 2: pilot for the first time and how much of that story,
Speaker 2: I mean kind of what you were saying, like was
Speaker 2: there or did you feel like you invented for yourself
Speaker 2: to have motivation as an actor?
Speaker 3: Well? I read the pilot and then you know, you thought, Okay,
Speaker 3: why am I digging up the pool? What's going on?
Speaker 1: And we're wondering that too?
Speaker 3: Well, I thought it was I just thought the image
Speaker 3: was so great at the end of the first of
Speaker 3: the first show, where he's in this pool chopping it up.
Speaker 3: I mean, it didn't really matter what I pulled out
Speaker 3: of there. It just was a great visual image and
Speaker 3: it set up to suspense and I'm not sure that
Speaker 3: was the initial plan. I was told that initially that
Speaker 3: storyline wasn't there and put in there. That's what I
Speaker 3: was told. It's true. Not maybe Mark Cherry can chime in,
Speaker 3: but you know, he uh, I'd known Mark for a
Speaker 3: long time. That was the fourth show I did with him.
Speaker 3: And it's probably well, what are the shows?
Speaker 1: What have you done with him?
Speaker 3: Well, the first show was when he started off writing,
Speaker 3: and he was a Back in the day, they had
Speaker 3: a spec script, like you like, they wanted to get
Speaker 3: writers involved with shows, so every show had to have
Speaker 3: one or two spec scripts, and Mark wrote a spec
Speaker 3: script for Golden Girls. I was Rue mcclanahan's illegitimate child.
Speaker 3: That was the name of this.
Speaker 1: Oh that is the best trivia piece of trivia I've
Speaker 1: ever heard.
Speaker 3: Was introduced to Golden Girls and then ended up I
Speaker 3: think being the head writer on Golden Palace years later.
Speaker 3: And you know, to tell you the truth, there isn't
Speaker 3: a male flight attendant that hasn't seen that episode of
Speaker 3: Golden Girl.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: So so that happened, and then he opened up another show,
Speaker 3: which was The Crew. I did a guest star on that,
Speaker 3: and then the next show is five minutes buchanans and
Speaker 3: I was Beth Broderick's husband. So by the time Desperate
Speaker 3: Housewives came up, the only thing Mark said to me was,
Speaker 3: how come he didn't go up for who's Dug Savon's
Speaker 3: character's name?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Why does go for Tom? And I said, because you
Speaker 3: didn't bring me in. So that part sort of like
Speaker 3: opened up afterwards, and then.
Speaker 1: That was the Paul opened up a.
Speaker 3: Well, I think so, because from what I was told
Speaker 3: he was writing, the script wasn't oh gosh, that wasn't selling.
Speaker 3: He lost his agent. Mark was a very loyal guy
Speaker 3: and a great funny writer, as we all know, but
Speaker 3: he lost his agent so he had to switch agents.
Speaker 3: And the agent said, you know, this is a great story,
Speaker 3: and he handed it to someone who I think ran
Speaker 3: melrose Place and Charles Charles, and he said, you need
Speaker 3: to put a mystery in it. And Mark wasn't really
Speaker 3: thrilled about it, but that was an added miss and
Speaker 3: then it's wow. Yeah. So I think initially it was
Speaker 3: just the comedy and the four women in the cul
Speaker 3: de sac and the antics that happened, and then that
Speaker 3: was an added feature, and I think that's.
Speaker 1: And that's what and that's where that role came.
Speaker 3: Well, that's amazing, but that sort of was well that
Speaker 3: sounds right.
Speaker 1: I mean the pieces that add up to me is
Speaker 1: that I know that there was a producer and I
Speaker 1: think it was either Chuck or Charles. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: horrible that I don't know who this is, but it
Speaker 1: was like Mark, this guy Chuck Pratt, I think is
Speaker 1: that yeah, yeah, so Chuck and Michael Edelstein and and
Speaker 1: I remember hearing that Chuck had come in with more
Speaker 1: of the structure, which is probably lends itself to like
Speaker 1: serial television. And I know that Mark had written it
Speaker 1: on spec and it had been around for a while
Speaker 1: as opposed to kind of going through a normal developmental
Speaker 1: pilot season. So that adds up that I think. I
Speaker 1: think we both have the same perception. Do you have
Speaker 1: memories of like the read through or your first day
Speaker 1: on set or being up on Wisteria Lane at Universal,
Speaker 1: Like do you remember.
Speaker 3: Remember remember we had read throughs, and very big shows
Speaker 3: do have read throughs. I mean mad Men had read throughs,
Speaker 3: but this show had to read through and it was great.
Speaker 3: We all got together read it and I think it helped.
Speaker 3: I think they could lesh out certain jokes that worked
Speaker 3: and maybe some that didn't. I have to I have
Speaker 3: to tell you right now on the third episode, I
Speaker 3: laughed out loud on the dinner table and you break
Speaker 3: the ice Breezeline, breeze line. I was on the floor,
Speaker 3: the floor with breeze line. Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, it's just it's classic. I mean, it's it's just
Speaker 1: brilliant and she was. It was brilliant delivery on Marsha's
Speaker 1: part and an amazing line. No, but but sometimes too,
Speaker 1: you look at stuff like that when you think about
Speaker 1: comedy and you think about the setup. You know, that
Speaker 1: was a minute and a half setup to that joke
Speaker 1: that all of us played our little part in, you know,
Speaker 1: digging away to make it to set up, and then
Speaker 1: she just came with her bat and just like knocked
Speaker 1: that out of the park. And I really do think
Speaker 1: it's a great example of that kind of collaboration comedy.
Speaker 1: There's just nothing better.
Speaker 3: And and set pieces, really good set pieces in it,
Speaker 3: like when you obviously you lose your towel and then
Speaker 3: you know you're naked outside your house, or just little
Speaker 3: pieces with Lynette with driving her kids locking them out
Speaker 3: and it just set up, set up, pay off. It was.
Speaker 3: It's a series worth watching.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so great.
Speaker 3: I look at you now, Andrew, and I just go,
Speaker 3: oh my god, she's this beautiful own woman now and
Speaker 3: she's just like you were. I don't know what thirteen theneen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, wasn't she great?
Speaker 4: Oh gods?
Speaker 3: Great, thank you?
Speaker 1: Thanks. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I relate to Terry watching it and feeling like I
Speaker 4: can't believe I was a part of this, you know.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's probably different for her than it is
Speaker 4: for me thinking that, but really, I you guys are
Speaker 4: all so good, and the fact that I got to
Speaker 4: grow up witnessing such talented actors on a daily basis
Speaker 4: is something I am so grateful for.
Speaker 3: Well, you were thirteen, and when you finished, how old
Speaker 3: were you?
Speaker 4: I was twenty two when we wrapped.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean because I just worked with Melissa
Speaker 3: Gilbert who was on Little House in the Prairie. We
Speaker 3: to play in New York and you know, from nine
Speaker 3: to nineteen. Yeah, absolutely, same experience and for her it
Speaker 3: was a great experience, and it was for you as well. Right.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, I was very fortunate and I consider
Speaker 4: it to be an incredible place to have grown up. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and look, I mean, look at the relationships formed that
Speaker 4: are still in my life. You know, I've watched Emerson
Speaker 4: grow up and Terry I was like twenty plus.
Speaker 2: Years yeah, seven when the show started.
Speaker 1: I mean, we really do think of ourselves as like,
Speaker 1: you know, like second mom and siblings'. You know, Andrew
Speaker 1: has come to our house for dinner over the years,
Speaker 1: and like I said, I was at the wedding and
Speaker 1: it's it is sort of amazing to have maintained that connection.
Speaker 1: I'm so proud of who she grew up to be
Speaker 1: and was proud of her then too. It's a pretty
Speaker 1: special relationship, it is, for sure. So back to the show. So,
Speaker 1: I'm sure you never found yourself at the bottom of
Speaker 1: an empty cement pool before or since, did you? It
Speaker 1: started to strike us. I guess around episode three that
Speaker 1: we really felt like the husbands started to land in
Speaker 1: their own lanes, which we didn't really remember, Like like
Speaker 1: Carlos seems a little more abusive than we kind of
Speaker 1: called him.
Speaker 3: I didn't, I didn't remember him being so coarse. Yeah.
Speaker 3: But however, it was a good thing because otherwise she
Speaker 3: would have probably hated Eva and have ever affair. But
Speaker 3: it was you know, it was kind of the spiciest
Speaker 3: little topic on Desperate Housewives right off the bat with
Speaker 3: a gardener. Yeah, so you didn't remember that. And also
Speaker 3: I looked at it and thought that Doug Savant as
Speaker 3: a guest star in episode three. Yeah, you don't even
Speaker 3: really know about their relationship. Although he probably was in
Speaker 3: the pilot. I didn't really watch the pilot. He probably
Speaker 3: was in the pilot.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was in the pilot, but sort of briefly.
Speaker 4: I mean he was in the pilot, but I think
Speaker 4: he was mostly an episode away on a business trip,
Speaker 4: So yeah, he was kind of maybe.
Speaker 3: Just then you get the idea when it comes back
Speaker 3: with a crazy house, so she's living in and you
Speaker 3: get a little piece of their relationship and so it's
Speaker 3: sort of unfold. Let's face it. It wasn't called Desperate Husbands, right,
Speaker 3: it was called Yeah, but did take no longer to
Speaker 3: establish characters, But that's because we had less to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's true, but so did that Like, was that
Speaker 1: weird to be a husband on the housewife show? Like
Speaker 1: out in the world.
Speaker 3: You know, we knew that we could only take so
Speaker 3: much time on the set, you know, except for except
Speaker 3: for one of the husbands who took more time than
Speaker 3: the other ones and he ended up dying.
Speaker 2: But Okay, said I think I do know this spoilers.
Speaker 5: You know, we we all we all talked about, you know,
Speaker 5: most most of we've talked about who's going to die? Yeah,
Speaker 5: and who's gonna who's gonna stay on the show, you know,
Speaker 5: because we would get together and go, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know. And then eventually we got to all
Speaker 3: the parties the first year because it was such a
Speaker 3: big hit, and Mark Cherry sat down and said, Okay,
Speaker 3: Paul Young dies, and I'm saying with him, we're just going, well, well, yeah,
Speaker 3: but I've got a great I've got a great idea
Speaker 3: for for second season. I'm going to chain this guy
Speaker 3: up with the basement and blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: Whoa whoa, whoa, whoa. Let's go back to Paul Young. Yeah,
Speaker 3: let's go back to that.
Speaker 1: And so you really Mark Well with the behind the
Speaker 1: scenes if he was telling what.
Speaker 3: I was a fellow writer he was, I was like, wait,
Speaker 3: he said, wa wa whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, wah, I'm
Speaker 3: playing Paul Young. I don't want him to die. So
Speaker 3: I was saved by Stephen McPherson.
Speaker 1: Ah Steer.
Speaker 3: I think he said, you're not killing our j R. Ewing.
Speaker 1: Wow, these were such great moments. Yeah really, and so.
Speaker 3: I then the second season happened and I was eventually
Speaker 3: sent off to prison, and then I come back, and
Speaker 3: then Mike goes to prison and then you know, so
Speaker 3: I had that sort of stuff going on. But yeah,
Speaker 3: we all wanted to be on it for eight years
Speaker 3: at that time, but you know, I got to do
Speaker 3: other stuff. But I mean, you know, yeah, we all,
Speaker 3: we all.
Speaker 1: I was watching mad Men episodes over the weekend because
Speaker 1: I just wanted to be reminded of how great you
Speaker 1: were in that show too. That was another really iconic show.
Speaker 3: You know, if one thing doesn't happen in the business,
Speaker 3: then you get an opportunity to do that, which I
Speaker 3: wouldn't have had an opportunity to do. Ed off to prison.
Speaker 2: Thank God for prison.
Speaker 4: You know, it's funny you mentioned that not wanting to
Speaker 4: die thing, because you know, as the show continues, we'll
Speaker 4: see and you know, experience the shock of different characters
Speaker 4: dying throughout. And I always thought in the back of
Speaker 4: my head. I think Julie will be safe because she's
Speaker 4: a child. I think, you know, I think my character
Speaker 4: will be okay. But you know, none of us knew
Speaker 4: ever who we were going to open up in that
Speaker 4: episode and see who was.
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, you know you've already grown up, so they
Speaker 3: didn't replace you.
Speaker 1: Yeah. She was just at the right age to be
Speaker 1: able to age with the show and not not start
Speaker 1: off too young and then suddenly have to do the
Speaker 1: five year jokes.
Speaker 4: I would have been so devastated. Yeah, just a couple
Speaker 4: of hair changes and then we could sell it.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 1: Is there anything do you keep in touch with, like
Speaker 1: Cody or anybody that like from I haven't.
Speaker 3: I haven't talked to Cody in a while. I've seen
Speaker 3: Ricardo in New York.
Speaker 1: He's done. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I wanted Jamie Denton sometimes and Jamie. We ran into
Speaker 3: each other, I think a number before I left Los Angeles.
Speaker 3: We got together a dog I've not seen in a while. Marcia.
Speaker 3: I you know, you know, I knew Marcia beforehand. Uh huh,
Speaker 3: lay together down at the Old Globe. We did Two
Speaker 3: Gentlemen of Verona before.
Speaker 1: That's cool.
Speaker 3: And that's when Marcia was going to quit acting and
Speaker 3: become a.
Speaker 1: Therapist, right right, right, and instead she got to use
Speaker 1: all that knowledge and channel it into this complicated character.
Speaker 2: I'm so curious. I mean, we've talked about this a lot.
Speaker 2: With my mom's character Susan. How so many people think
Speaker 2: of her now as Terry Hatcher being Susan. You know,
Speaker 2: she's they think she's not a good cook, They have
Speaker 2: certain ideas about her as a mom. I'm curious, did you,
Speaker 2: because Paul is such a kind of notorious villain on
Speaker 2: the show, what was your experience like with fans or
Speaker 2: with people who've met you who are fans of the
Speaker 2: show and then meet you in real life. Did any
Speaker 2: of that kind of get mapped onto you and the
Speaker 2: way it did with my mom's character.
Speaker 3: Well, I think it does when it's on, and I'm
Speaker 3: sure your mom could tell you this when it's on,
Speaker 3: it's not more often with it, and now that it's rerunning,
Speaker 3: oftentimes people come up and they've seen it again. But
Speaker 3: in terms of your mom, I mean, you know, I
Speaker 3: remember your mom is a bond girl in Lois You
Speaker 3: were just born then, but I knew her from other
Speaker 3: stuff as well, and so no, but you know it.
Speaker 3: I know, you sort of see actors and people go
Speaker 3: through different roles and stuff, but this was obviously a
Speaker 3: big one for everyone in the show, and I think
Speaker 3: everyone really made their mark on the show. And I'd
Speaker 3: also like to add, at the time this show was made,
Speaker 3: there weren't too many women over the age of forty. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, it was like you hit forty and your
Speaker 3: career was over. Well, I think Desperate House was one
Speaker 3: of those shows that really showed people are watching women
Speaker 3: get older, except for Eva, who was young, but yeah,
Speaker 3: a little more mature. I look at it now and
Speaker 3: I go, God, we were babies.
Speaker 1: Don't you feel that way? I feel I totally agree.
Speaker 1: I go like, wow, we were just such babies. But
Speaker 1: I didn't feel like a baby then, But I, oh,
Speaker 1: we really weren't.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, it really was older women with
Speaker 3: kids and you know, but not but still everyone was
Speaker 3: very attractive.
Speaker 4: You know, yeah, I a good looking street.
Speaker 1: I used to say that if the network had actually
Speaker 1: been allowed to ask our age, you know, if that
Speaker 1: had been legal, they would never have cast four women
Speaker 1: over forty to lead a show at that time. I
Speaker 1: just I think they didn't realize I think they probably
Speaker 1: thought we were all thirty five or something, you know,
Speaker 1: because we didn't discover how old we all were until
Speaker 1: in the scene in the pilot where we're sitting around
Speaker 1: having coffee after Mary Alice has killed herself, and it's
Speaker 1: like that first scene together. And when we were shooting
Speaker 1: that actually on the set, we were just getting to
Speaker 1: know each other because nobody had really known each other before,
Speaker 1: and so in between takes, you know, people would say like, well,
Speaker 1: what you know, what's your story? How old are you?
Speaker 1: What do you e been? You know whatever, And as
Speaker 1: we went around, somebody was like, I'm forty two, I'm
Speaker 1: forty one, I'm just about to turn forty, I'm forty three,
Speaker 1: and it's like wait what And then evens of course
Speaker 1: I'm twenty nine, right, you know. But I remember sitting
Speaker 1: at that table and thinking, wow, they cannot possibly have
Speaker 1: realized we were all over forty. Yeah, So it really
Speaker 1: was at first, and I think happened so I don't know,
Speaker 1: organically like a like a marriage with the writing and
Speaker 1: with these sort of stereotypical versions of women, you know,
Speaker 1: the perfectionists, the vulnerable, desperate one, the sort of high
Speaker 1: strung you know, and then the sexy one. It it.
Speaker 1: But I think the reason it's lasted and there's so
Speaker 1: much nostalgia around it is because I think people still
Speaker 1: see themselves in these people, even though that's a weird
Speaker 1: thing that Paul like has this secret in the pool
Speaker 1: and then and it's all this creepy thing. This idea
Speaker 1: that people put forward a face that's happier than what's
Speaker 1: really going on behind the scenes is still I think
Speaker 1: so common and relatable that I think that's one of
Speaker 1: the things that continues to resonate about the show.
Speaker 3: And I think that, well, I know that Mark fought
Speaker 3: for that title becase any I think the producers wanted
Speaker 3: to change the title many times. He said no, And
Speaker 3: he had the whole story about his mother, his mother,
Speaker 3: you know, watching the the mom drive the van into
Speaker 3: the lake or something with the kids, right mother, mom said,
Speaker 3: I get that, Oh my god wrote this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is where that you So you're sort of
Speaker 1: confirming that that is where the initial idea kind of
Speaker 1: came from for him, because we'd heard that.
Speaker 3: That's what he said. That's what he said was his
Speaker 3: idea about housewives and how desperate they were, and and
Speaker 3: you think about it and the whole, the whole Mary
Speaker 3: Alice story of shooting herself and how desperate could you be?
Speaker 3: Then it reflects on all the women in the cul
Speaker 3: de Sac. Yeah, and I think that's relatable. And I
Speaker 3: also think that marked an incredible job developing the characters.
Speaker 3: Like you'll see shows sometimes and you go, you know,
Speaker 3: it was okay the first three or four or five shows,
Speaker 3: and then by the six or seventh the characters start
Speaker 3: to define themselves. I would say the characters right off
Speaker 3: the bat were well defined.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we feel that way almost.
Speaker 3: Immediately who they were, what the issues were, the crazy
Speaker 3: mom for for kids, and and you know, your character
Speaker 3: divorced one who has a loving daughter, and Eva and
Speaker 3: Marcia and the perfectionist, and they were all it was
Speaker 3: all really well put together. Yeah, I agree, And you
Speaker 3: know then I think we were foils off of it,
Speaker 3: and maybe they developed how we would be after that.
Speaker 3: I look at Tom and I go, well, thank god
Speaker 3: I didn't play Tom, because Doug was so good at it.
Speaker 4: Yeah he is.
Speaker 3: He's so lovable, so I'm not at least going Paul
Speaker 3: was probably a great part for me, but you know,
Speaker 3: but Doug is, and he was so good in that part.
Speaker 1: Oh well, Mark, it was just an honor to like
Speaker 1: share that journey with you, and how amazing to get
Speaker 1: to see you and reflect back on it, and I
Speaker 1: just I mean, I feel like my takeaway of just
Speaker 1: so grateful to have been a part of it and
Speaker 1: a part of a show that has resonated for generations.
Speaker 1: I mean it really has, don't you think.
Speaker 3: Well now a new generation now I'm since watching it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, no, And it feels it feels relevant
Speaker 2: even even today. I feel like I know one thing
Speaker 2: that we have been asking each other when we do
Speaker 2: our episodes is what what is something in your life
Speaker 2: right now that is making you feel desperate? Obviously it's
Speaker 2: Desperate Housewives, and we focus around a lot of female characters,
Speaker 2: but I think men experience senses of desperation in their
Speaker 2: life too. I'm curious either how it relates to your
Speaker 2: character in the show and your dynamic with Zach or
Speaker 2: now currently in your life, are you having any desperate
Speaker 2: moments in your life right now?
Speaker 4: Desperate actors, Yeah, that counts.
Speaker 1: They're all desperate or.
Speaker 3: Any way any way you do it. It's such a
Speaker 3: it's such a hard profession that everybody's slightly desperate. And
Speaker 3: I did joke about, you know, all of us wondering
Speaker 3: who's going to die, and we did handle it like guys,
Speaker 3: but I think everybody was concerned about who is going
Speaker 3: to die? And you know it. You look back at
Speaker 3: this show and today you get show and it gets,
Speaker 3: you know, a blip on the radar screen and it's
Speaker 3: a big hit. This opened to like thirty million people.
Speaker 3: It doesn't even happen anymore. So it was a huge,
Speaker 3: huge hit and it was quite a ride for all
Speaker 3: of us.
Speaker 1: So what do you said, You just finished a play?
Speaker 1: What are you working on now?
Speaker 3: I finished a play in New York in January called Still.
Speaker 3: It was a two hander. I hadn't been on stage
Speaker 3: for like fifteen years, so wow, lost like fifteen pounds.
Speaker 3: It just got my god, the curtain, you know, the
Speaker 3: curtain goes up and you can't take.
Speaker 1: Too Yeah, that's amazing.
Speaker 3: Working home again except without another take. And then I
Speaker 3: did a short small film down in New Orleans about
Speaker 3: Bridge of all things. So we'll see what happens with that.
Speaker 3: But other than that, I'm heading off to Scotland to
Speaker 3: Edinburgh and taking a trip with Annie.
Speaker 4: So we're I was just there, were there and yeah
Speaker 4: at the end of March. Yeah, I know, maybe I'm
Speaker 4: the pole. I was in at the end of March
Speaker 4: and early April.
Speaker 2: I was there at the end of March.
Speaker 4: Wow, well, we didn't know we could have overlapped. I
Speaker 4: did the West Highland Way hiking trail and I highly
Speaker 4: recommend it if you were into hiking.
Speaker 3: Well, we're doing a hiking through the Caswalts.
Speaker 4: Oh, oh my gosh, amazing beautiful.
Speaker 3: I mean, next time that one.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I do have one more question for you
Speaker 4: that I hope to make a thing that we do,
Speaker 4: because there seems to be a lot of confusion around this.
Speaker 4: How to put you on the spot? How do you
Speaker 4: pronounce Susan and Julie's last name.
Speaker 3: That's interesting. I pronounced it Bowen and Hatcher.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, I didn't. Yeah. It was clever, very well done,
Speaker 1: Very well done.
Speaker 4: The mystery continues. Yes, thank you so much for joining
Speaker 4: us and being here.
Speaker 3: Good luck. I think it's going to be fun. I
Speaker 3: think people are gonna if they can, if they can
Speaker 3: watch this while the show goes on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's our hope. And we like the idea
Speaker 1: of like We really do think that the neighborhood and
Speaker 1: all of the things that Mark wrote about and the
Speaker 1: things that the different characters are struggling with does sort
Speaker 1: of resonate into people's real lives and can be sort
Speaker 1: of a jumping off point to, you know, talking about
Speaker 1: what it's like to be human and live in a
Speaker 1: community and but not but also how great the show is.
Speaker 4: So thank you for sharing so many great fun stories with.
Speaker 2: Us that we didn't know, so many behind the scenes takes.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, Bye bye.