WEBVTT - Desperately Devoted to Mark Moses aka Paul Young 0:00:00.440 --> 0:00:03.480 Welcome to desperately devoted Join us as we explore the 0:00:03.560 --> 0:00:07.240 human experience through the lens of the iconic show Desperate Housewives. 0:00:07.320 --> 0:00:09.600 I'm Terry Hatcher, I'm Andrea Bowen. 0:00:09.400 --> 0:00:12.000 And I'm Emerson Tunny. 0:00:12.080 --> 0:00:14.600 We are so glad to be back because this week 0:00:14.680 --> 0:00:17.760 we are getting to hear from someone with more memories 0:00:18.040 --> 0:00:21.799 from the street where it happened. This week, we have 0:00:21.840 --> 0:00:25.360 an incredibly talented actor who you'll know not only from Housewives, 0:00:25.400 --> 0:00:29.120 but from shows like Madmen and Homeland. You might think 0:00:29.160 --> 0:00:32.080 his character is creepy, but stay with us because the 0:00:32.120 --> 0:00:37.360 real man behind the gun and the shovel and the tranquilizers, well, 0:00:37.440 --> 0:00:41.920 he is a total sweetheart. Please welcome Mark Moses. So 0:00:42.040 --> 0:00:44.440 I guess, like, as we talk to you, this is 0:00:44.479 --> 0:00:47.560 going to be interesting sort of spoiler alert, because Emerson 0:00:47.920 --> 0:00:49.800 has not actually seen the show. 0:00:49.880 --> 0:00:52.120 This is my first time. I mean, I've watched the pilot, 0:00:52.120 --> 0:00:54.560 but this is my first time watching the whole show 0:00:54.800 --> 0:00:55.480 all the way through. 0:00:55.640 --> 0:00:58.320 So I think, like, they're like, you'll probably remember a 0:00:58.360 --> 0:01:01.360 big thing much later in the last season that happens 0:01:01.440 --> 0:01:05.280 between Mike and Susan, But like, I'm not saying those 0:01:05.319 --> 0:01:07.800 things because I don't want to give it away, and 0:01:07.920 --> 0:01:08.440 I don't know. 0:01:09.160 --> 0:01:11.640 I don't know, but if it gets given away, I 0:01:11.680 --> 0:01:13.720 will just I'll just forget it. 0:01:13.920 --> 0:01:14.560 I'll just forget it. 0:01:15.280 --> 0:01:16.959 So we're going to I don't think I would know 0:01:17.040 --> 0:01:21.240 anything that happens between Mike and Susan anyway, So. 0:01:21.160 --> 0:01:22.040 That let's start with that. 0:01:22.240 --> 0:01:24.840 I know a little bit about it, vaguely seeing it 0:01:24.880 --> 0:01:28.760 again for the first time in so many years. Just now. 0:01:29.360 --> 0:01:33.480 Actually it's great now because the commercials are shorter, and 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:36.640 that it was just it was. It was really enlightening 0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:38.839 about what a great show it was. I mean, from 0:01:38.920 --> 0:01:42.679 everything from the graphics to the opening, to the how 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:46.039 quickly the plot moved, which I'd forgotten about. It really 0:01:46.080 --> 0:01:46.720 moves quickly. 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:50.200 Yeah, I totally agree with you. I felt like the 0:01:50.240 --> 0:01:52.560 first thing, the first like thirty seconds, I was like 0:01:52.760 --> 0:01:55.920 with Steria Lane is a star like I could not 0:01:56.240 --> 0:01:59.279 believe the way it was shot, the way it was edited, 0:01:59.320 --> 0:02:02.160 the lighting. What you're saying about how quick it moved 0:02:02.200 --> 0:02:06.080 and how much story got revealed so quickly, how it 0:02:06.160 --> 0:02:08.920 just pulled you in. It was it's it stood the 0:02:08.960 --> 0:02:09.960 test of time, don't you. 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:13.079 Think I think it's I look at it now and go, wow, 0:02:13.520 --> 0:02:17.200 they are not making serious that good anymore interesting. 0:02:17.320 --> 0:02:17.960 We will. 0:02:19.040 --> 0:02:21.639 I thought about it back then, I thought it was 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:23.440 well done, and now I look at it and go, wow, 0:02:23.480 --> 0:02:25.560 it really was a good show. And I'm glad there's 0:02:25.560 --> 0:02:28.359 a whole new audience like Emerson to watch it. Yeah. 0:02:28.639 --> 0:02:33.440 Yo, Yeah, and your character Paul Young is so integral. 0:02:37.240 --> 0:02:39.080 You know, everybody's having so much fun and there I 0:02:39.080 --> 0:02:42.400 am like gloom and doom in the dark Shadows across 0:02:42.440 --> 0:02:45.760 the Street. Third episode with Zach and then he comes 0:02:45.760 --> 0:02:47.839 in and he's so good. 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:49.200 Yeah, he's great. 0:02:49.680 --> 0:02:55.800 It was so well cast. And we did miss we 0:02:55.880 --> 0:02:59.919 did miss missus Hubert Christine Esterbrook. She was such a 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:01.160 good busy body. 0:03:02.560 --> 0:03:06.760 Yeah, I agree with you. Like the cast was so great, 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:08.880 the writing was so great, the way, I mean, just 0:03:08.919 --> 0:03:13.000 the whole It kind of brought up a sense of 0:03:13.040 --> 0:03:15.760 pride of like, wow, I was actually in this, you know, 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:18.720 because I had sort of forgotten and I hadn't watched 0:03:18.720 --> 0:03:22.840 it probably in twenty years whatever, And yeah, it really 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:27.160 was kind of stunning actually to just like the pilot, 0:03:27.280 --> 0:03:30.600 especially I mean the opening with Mary Alice and Brenda 0:03:30.639 --> 0:03:33.520 Strong and I mean you never saw stuff like that 0:03:33.639 --> 0:03:34.400 on television. 0:03:35.080 --> 0:03:37.720 No, and I was always surprised that there wasn't a 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:41.840 copycat show until Maybe Empire came out. I mean really, 0:03:42.400 --> 0:03:45.160 I thought the other nighttime well, it was a little 0:03:45.200 --> 0:03:47.200 bit of a nighttime soap opera, but a funny one. 0:03:47.480 --> 0:03:47.800 Yeah. 0:03:47.880 --> 0:03:51.800 Yeah, yeah, Actually, speaking of Terry mentioning the whole thing 0:03:51.840 --> 0:03:54.760 with Mary Alice, you know, starting the series off with 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:57.920 someone dying by suicide, and you know how that relates 0:03:57.920 --> 0:04:01.320 to you informing your character and your care's journey and 0:04:01.400 --> 0:04:04.080 the whole mystery that we don't really understand what's going 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:06.760 on with you and what your relationship was. I had 0:04:06.760 --> 0:04:10.480 a question for you about did you and Brenda talk 0:04:10.520 --> 0:04:13.240 about what your relationship was like even though we don't 0:04:13.240 --> 0:04:15.480 see that much of it playing out on screen. 0:04:18.240 --> 0:04:21.640 No, okay, next question. 0:04:21.880 --> 0:04:25.839 Okay, we didn't really talk. I mean we we got along, 0:04:25.920 --> 0:04:30.919 we talked, we met, we talked about. One of the 0:04:30.920 --> 0:04:36.440 reasons we didn't was because I don't know if Mark 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:39.320 cherry knew exactly where it was going all the time. Yeah, 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:42.960 that's I mean, I think I think it developed as 0:04:43.000 --> 0:04:46.560 we went and I don't even think at the beginning 0:04:46.760 --> 0:04:51.360 anybody really understood what the Young Family was about. I mean, 0:04:51.760 --> 0:04:53.919 it sort of just started that way and then it 0:04:53.960 --> 0:04:55.680 was a sort of dark, and then it got a 0:04:55.680 --> 0:04:58.279 little darker, and then they'd say, no, just keep playing 0:04:58.320 --> 0:05:00.600 it this way, and so it's sort of evolved. I 0:05:00.600 --> 0:05:02.560 think some of the other characters and some of the 0:05:02.600 --> 0:05:05.159 comedy that Mark wrote was more in his ballpark. But 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:07.720 I think that storyline was a little bit like what 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:09.520 are we going to do with this? And will it work? 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:13.800 And then but you know that toy chest, you know. 0:05:14.120 --> 0:05:17.479 Yeah, I'm curious, do you do you remember reading the 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:20.039 pilot for the first time and how much of that story, 0:05:20.279 --> 0:05:21.599 I mean kind of what you were saying, like was 0:05:21.600 --> 0:05:23.839 there or did you feel like you invented for yourself 0:05:24.320 --> 0:05:26.080 to have motivation as an actor? 0:05:26.760 --> 0:05:30.839 Well? I read the pilot and then you know, you thought, Okay, 0:05:31.480 --> 0:05:34.040 why am I digging up the pool? What's going on? 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:36.800 And we're wondering that too? 0:05:36.880 --> 0:05:39.279 Well, I thought it was I just thought the image 0:05:39.360 --> 0:05:42.159 was so great at the end of the first of 0:05:42.240 --> 0:05:44.839 the first show, where he's in this pool chopping it up. 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:47.200 I mean, it didn't really matter what I pulled out 0:05:47.240 --> 0:05:49.760 of there. It just was a great visual image and 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:51.760 it set up to suspense and I'm not sure that 0:05:51.800 --> 0:05:54.760 was the initial plan. I was told that initially that 0:05:55.120 --> 0:05:58.680 storyline wasn't there and put in there. That's what I 0:05:58.720 --> 0:06:02.280 was told. It's true. Not maybe Mark Cherry can chime in, 0:06:02.360 --> 0:06:05.880 but you know, he uh, I'd known Mark for a 0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:08.280 long time. That was the fourth show I did with him. 0:06:08.279 --> 0:06:10.880 And it's probably well, what are the shows? 0:06:10.880 --> 0:06:11.760 What have you done with him? 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:14.160 Well, the first show was when he started off writing, 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:16.840 and he was a Back in the day, they had 0:06:16.880 --> 0:06:19.680 a spec script, like you like, they wanted to get 0:06:19.680 --> 0:06:22.520 writers involved with shows, so every show had to have 0:06:22.640 --> 0:06:24.880 one or two spec scripts, and Mark wrote a spec 0:06:24.920 --> 0:06:30.320 script for Golden Girls. I was Rue mcclanahan's illegitimate child. 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:31.560 That was the name of this. 0:06:31.880 --> 0:06:35.040 Oh that is the best trivia piece of trivia I've 0:06:35.080 --> 0:06:35.679 ever heard. 0:06:36.320 --> 0:06:39.960 Was introduced to Golden Girls and then ended up I 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:42.919 think being the head writer on Golden Palace years later. 0:06:43.600 --> 0:06:45.880 And you know, to tell you the truth, there isn't 0:06:45.960 --> 0:06:49.839 a male flight attendant that hasn't seen that episode of 0:06:49.880 --> 0:06:50.400 Golden Girl. 0:06:50.760 --> 0:06:51.279 Wow. 0:06:53.520 --> 0:06:55.880 So so that happened, and then he opened up another show, 0:06:55.920 --> 0:06:58.320 which was The Crew. I did a guest star on that, 0:06:58.520 --> 0:07:01.400 and then the next show is five minutes buchanans and 0:07:01.440 --> 0:07:04.200 I was Beth Broderick's husband. So by the time Desperate 0:07:04.240 --> 0:07:06.479 Housewives came up, the only thing Mark said to me was, 0:07:07.440 --> 0:07:11.960 how come he didn't go up for who's Dug Savon's 0:07:12.000 --> 0:07:12.480 character's name? 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:13.000 You know what I mean? 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:15.800 Why does go for Tom? And I said, because you 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:19.120 didn't bring me in. So that part sort of like 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:21.800 opened up afterwards, and then. 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:24.880 That was the Paul opened up a. 0:07:25.240 --> 0:07:28.920 Well, I think so, because from what I was told 0:07:29.800 --> 0:07:33.760 he was writing, the script wasn't oh gosh, that wasn't selling. 0:07:36.080 --> 0:07:39.040 He lost his agent. Mark was a very loyal guy 0:07:39.400 --> 0:07:41.720 and a great funny writer, as we all know, but 0:07:41.800 --> 0:07:43.560 he lost his agent so he had to switch agents. 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:45.640 And the agent said, you know, this is a great story, 0:07:46.280 --> 0:07:48.400 and he handed it to someone who I think ran 0:07:48.920 --> 0:07:53.200 melrose Place and Charles Charles, and he said, you need 0:07:53.320 --> 0:07:55.720 to put a mystery in it. And Mark wasn't really 0:07:55.760 --> 0:07:58.360 thrilled about it, but that was an added miss and 0:07:58.400 --> 0:08:03.680 then it's wow. Yeah. So I think initially it was 0:08:03.800 --> 0:08:07.280 just the comedy and the four women in the cul 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:10.440 de sac and the antics that happened, and then that 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:12.800 was an added feature, and I think that's. 0:08:12.600 --> 0:08:14.080 And that's what and that's where that role came. 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:17.600 Well, that's amazing, but that sort of was well that 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:18.280 sounds right. 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:20.240 I mean the pieces that add up to me is 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:22.960 that I know that there was a producer and I 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:25.640 think it was either Chuck or Charles. I mean, it's 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:27.320 horrible that I don't know who this is, but it 0:08:27.360 --> 0:08:30.400 was like Mark, this guy Chuck Pratt, I think is 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:34.640 that yeah, yeah, so Chuck and Michael Edelstein and and 0:08:34.720 --> 0:08:38.439 I remember hearing that Chuck had come in with more 0:08:38.600 --> 0:08:42.360 of the structure, which is probably lends itself to like 0:08:42.559 --> 0:08:46.960 serial television. And I know that Mark had written it 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:49.640 on spec and it had been around for a while 0:08:49.720 --> 0:08:52.559 as opposed to kind of going through a normal developmental 0:08:52.640 --> 0:08:55.120 pilot season. So that adds up that I think. I 0:08:55.200 --> 0:08:58.160 think we both have the same perception. Do you have 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:01.320 memories of like the read through or your first day 0:09:01.360 --> 0:09:05.360 on set or being up on Wisteria Lane at Universal, 0:09:05.520 --> 0:09:06.839 Like do you remember. 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:09.960 Remember remember we had read throughs, and very big shows 0:09:10.040 --> 0:09:12.800 do have read throughs. I mean mad Men had read throughs, 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:15.200 but this show had to read through and it was great. 0:09:15.240 --> 0:09:18.360 We all got together read it and I think it helped. 0:09:18.400 --> 0:09:22.520 I think they could lesh out certain jokes that worked 0:09:22.559 --> 0:09:24.400 and maybe some that didn't. I have to I have 0:09:24.440 --> 0:09:27.440 to tell you right now on the third episode, I 0:09:27.559 --> 0:09:31.640 laughed out loud on the dinner table and you break 0:09:31.679 --> 0:09:36.160 the ice Breezeline, breeze line. I was on the floor, 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:38.640 the floor with breeze line. Yeah. 0:09:38.720 --> 0:09:41.640 No, it's just it's classic. I mean, it's it's just 0:09:42.320 --> 0:09:45.160 brilliant and she was. It was brilliant delivery on Marsha's 0:09:45.200 --> 0:09:48.960 part and an amazing line. No, but but sometimes too, 0:09:49.000 --> 0:09:50.559 you look at stuff like that when you think about 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:53.680 comedy and you think about the setup. You know, that 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:59.760 was a minute and a half setup to that joke 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:04.640 that all of us played our little part in, you know, 0:10:05.000 --> 0:10:07.679 digging away to make it to set up, and then 0:10:07.720 --> 0:10:10.560 she just came with her bat and just like knocked 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:13.440 that out of the park. And I really do think 0:10:13.480 --> 0:10:17.240 it's a great example of that kind of collaboration comedy. 0:10:17.240 --> 0:10:18.280 There's just nothing better. 0:10:18.920 --> 0:10:22.120 And and set pieces, really good set pieces in it, 0:10:22.160 --> 0:10:25.000 like when you obviously you lose your towel and then 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:28.680 you know you're naked outside your house, or just little 0:10:28.760 --> 0:10:32.680 pieces with Lynette with driving her kids locking them out 0:10:32.720 --> 0:10:35.760 and it just set up, set up, pay off. It was. 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:37.880 It's a series worth watching. 0:10:38.320 --> 0:10:42.240 Yeah, that's so great. 0:10:47.960 --> 0:10:49.800 I look at you now, Andrew, and I just go, 0:10:49.920 --> 0:10:52.480 oh my god, she's this beautiful own woman now and 0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:56.199 she's just like you were. I don't know what thirteen theneen. 0:10:56.320 --> 0:10:57.840 Yeah, yeah, wasn't she great? 0:10:58.000 --> 0:10:58.600 Oh gods? 0:11:00.280 --> 0:11:00.880 Great, thank you? 0:11:01.280 --> 0:11:02.040 Thanks. Yeah. 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:04.520 I relate to Terry watching it and feeling like I 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:06.080 can't believe I was a part of this, you know. 0:11:06.120 --> 0:11:08.360 I mean, it's probably different for her than it is 0:11:08.400 --> 0:11:11.559 for me thinking that, but really, I you guys are 0:11:11.600 --> 0:11:13.560 all so good, and the fact that I got to 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:17.280 grow up witnessing such talented actors on a daily basis 0:11:17.480 --> 0:11:19.559 is something I am so grateful for. 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:22.840 Well, you were thirteen, and when you finished, how old 0:11:22.840 --> 0:11:23.160 were you? 0:11:23.800 --> 0:11:26.000 I was twenty two when we wrapped. 0:11:26.400 --> 0:11:29.280 Yeah, yeah, I mean because I just worked with Melissa 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:31.280 Gilbert who was on Little House in the Prairie. We 0:11:31.440 --> 0:11:35.000 to play in New York and you know, from nine 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:40.440 to nineteen. Yeah, absolutely, same experience and for her it 0:11:40.480 --> 0:11:43.160 was a great experience, and it was for you as well. Right. 0:11:43.240 --> 0:11:46.240 Oh yeah, yeah, I was very fortunate and I consider 0:11:46.280 --> 0:11:49.600 it to be an incredible place to have grown up. Yeah, 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:51.800 and look, I mean, look at the relationships formed that 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:54.400 are still in my life. You know, I've watched Emerson 0:11:54.440 --> 0:11:56.840 grow up and Terry I was like twenty plus. 0:11:56.760 --> 0:11:58.280 Years yeah, seven when the show started. 0:11:58.320 --> 0:12:00.560 I mean, we really do think of ourselves as like, 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:04.600 you know, like second mom and siblings'. You know, Andrew 0:12:04.640 --> 0:12:07.319 has come to our house for dinner over the years, 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:10.920 and like I said, I was at the wedding and 0:12:11.559 --> 0:12:15.400 it's it is sort of amazing to have maintained that connection. 0:12:15.640 --> 0:12:18.800 I'm so proud of who she grew up to be 0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:21.240 and was proud of her then too. It's a pretty 0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:25.000 special relationship, it is, for sure. So back to the show. So, 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:27.280 I'm sure you never found yourself at the bottom of 0:12:27.320 --> 0:12:34.120 an empty cement pool before or since, did you? It 0:12:34.559 --> 0:12:37.679 started to strike us. I guess around episode three that 0:12:37.760 --> 0:12:41.200 we really felt like the husbands started to land in 0:12:41.240 --> 0:12:45.400 their own lanes, which we didn't really remember, Like like 0:12:45.600 --> 0:12:49.640 Carlos seems a little more abusive than we kind of 0:12:50.679 --> 0:12:51.400 called him. 0:12:52.480 --> 0:12:58.280 I didn't, I didn't remember him being so coarse. Yeah. 0:12:58.320 --> 0:13:00.920 But however, it was a good thing because otherwise she 0:13:00.960 --> 0:13:05.480 would have probably hated Eva and have ever affair. But 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:08.000 it was you know, it was kind of the spiciest 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:12.240 little topic on Desperate Housewives right off the bat with 0:13:12.280 --> 0:13:16.040 a gardener. Yeah, so you didn't remember that. And also 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:20.240 I looked at it and thought that Doug Savant as 0:13:20.240 --> 0:13:23.240 a guest star in episode three. Yeah, you don't even 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:27.520 really know about their relationship. Although he probably was in 0:13:27.520 --> 0:13:29.920 the pilot. I didn't really watch the pilot. He probably 0:13:30.000 --> 0:13:30.600 was in the pilot. 0:13:30.840 --> 0:13:33.520 Yeah, he was in the pilot, but sort of briefly. 0:13:33.559 --> 0:13:34.880 I mean he was in the pilot, but I think 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:37.720 he was mostly an episode away on a business trip, 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:39.719 So yeah, he was kind of maybe. 0:13:39.520 --> 0:13:41.680 Just then you get the idea when it comes back 0:13:41.880 --> 0:13:43.880 with a crazy house, so she's living in and you 0:13:43.920 --> 0:13:47.040 get a little piece of their relationship and so it's 0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:50.520 sort of unfold. Let's face it. It wasn't called Desperate Husbands, right, 0:13:50.559 --> 0:13:53.520 it was called Yeah, but did take no longer to 0:13:53.600 --> 0:13:56.520 establish characters, But that's because we had less to do. 0:13:57.040 --> 0:13:59.719 Yeah, it's true, but so did that Like, was that 0:13:59.760 --> 0:14:02.800 weird to be a husband on the housewife show? Like 0:14:03.440 --> 0:14:04.640 out in the world. 0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:08.320 You know, we knew that we could only take so 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:11.280 much time on the set, you know, except for except 0:14:11.320 --> 0:14:13.320 for one of the husbands who took more time than 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:14.720 the other ones and he ended up dying. 0:14:15.040 --> 0:14:22.160 But Okay, said I think I do know this spoilers. 0:14:23.920 --> 0:14:26.000 You know, we we all we all talked about, you know, 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:31.160 most most of we've talked about who's going to die? Yeah, 0:14:31.200 --> 0:14:34.440 and who's gonna who's gonna stay on the show, you know, 0:14:34.520 --> 0:14:36.600 because we would get together and go, yeah, I don't know. 0:14:36.640 --> 0:14:40.080 I don't know. And then eventually we got to all 0:14:40.120 --> 0:14:41.880 the parties the first year because it was such a 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:45.520 big hit, and Mark Cherry sat down and said, Okay, 0:14:46.560 --> 0:14:53.800 Paul Young dies, and I'm saying with him, we're just going, well, well, yeah, 0:14:54.360 --> 0:14:56.840 but I've got a great I've got a great idea 0:14:56.920 --> 0:14:59.520 for for second season. I'm going to chain this guy 0:14:59.640 --> 0:15:01.440 up with the basement and blah blah blah blah blah. 0:15:02.080 --> 0:15:06.560 Whoa whoa, whoa, whoa. Let's go back to Paul Young. Yeah, 0:15:06.680 --> 0:15:07.680 let's go back to that. 0:15:09.000 --> 0:15:12.040 And so you really Mark Well with the behind the 0:15:12.080 --> 0:15:13.760 scenes if he was telling what. 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:17.200 I was a fellow writer he was, I was like, wait, 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:18.800 he said, wa wa whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, wah, I'm 0:15:18.800 --> 0:15:22.960 playing Paul Young. I don't want him to die. So 0:15:23.240 --> 0:15:26.360 I was saved by Stephen McPherson. 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:28.800 Ah Steer. 0:15:29.400 --> 0:15:32.640 I think he said, you're not killing our j R. Ewing. 0:15:33.880 --> 0:15:38.520 Wow, these were such great moments. Yeah really, and so. 0:15:38.760 --> 0:15:41.240 I then the second season happened and I was eventually 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:44.280 sent off to prison, and then I come back, and 0:15:44.280 --> 0:15:46.240 then Mike goes to prison and then you know, so 0:15:46.520 --> 0:15:48.680 I had that sort of stuff going on. But yeah, 0:15:48.680 --> 0:15:51.240 we all wanted to be on it for eight years 0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:53.800 at that time, but you know, I got to do 0:15:53.840 --> 0:15:56.200 other stuff. But I mean, you know, yeah, we all, 0:15:56.200 --> 0:15:56.520 we all. 0:15:56.960 --> 0:16:00.440 I was watching mad Men episodes over the weekend because 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:02.920 I just wanted to be reminded of how great you 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:06.480 were in that show too. That was another really iconic show. 0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:09.880 You know, if one thing doesn't happen in the business, 0:16:09.880 --> 0:16:12.080 then you get an opportunity to do that, which I 0:16:12.080 --> 0:16:15.400 wouldn't have had an opportunity to do. Ed off to prison. 0:16:16.680 --> 0:16:17.880 Thank God for prison. 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:21.360 You know, it's funny you mentioned that not wanting to 0:16:21.400 --> 0:16:24.200 die thing, because you know, as the show continues, we'll 0:16:24.240 --> 0:16:27.400 see and you know, experience the shock of different characters 0:16:27.480 --> 0:16:29.720 dying throughout. And I always thought in the back of 0:16:29.720 --> 0:16:32.000 my head. I think Julie will be safe because she's 0:16:32.040 --> 0:16:35.040 a child. I think, you know, I think my character 0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:37.240 will be okay. But you know, none of us knew 0:16:37.360 --> 0:16:38.920 ever who we were going to open up in that 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:39.920 episode and see who was. 0:16:40.320 --> 0:16:43.280 Yeah, look, you know you've already grown up, so they 0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:45.400 didn't replace you. 0:16:46.360 --> 0:16:48.680 Yeah. She was just at the right age to be 0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:51.760 able to age with the show and not not start 0:16:51.760 --> 0:16:53.720 off too young and then suddenly have to do the 0:16:53.720 --> 0:16:54.640 five year jokes. 0:16:55.160 --> 0:16:58.040 I would have been so devastated. Yeah, just a couple 0:16:58.040 --> 0:16:59.800 of hair changes and then we could sell it. 0:17:01.760 --> 0:17:02.000 Well. 0:17:02.600 --> 0:17:04.720 Is there anything do you keep in touch with, like 0:17:04.840 --> 0:17:07.720 Cody or anybody that like from I haven't. 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:09.920 I haven't talked to Cody in a while. I've seen 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:11.040 Ricardo in New York. 0:17:11.080 --> 0:17:12.440 He's done. Yeah. 0:17:12.600 --> 0:17:17.080 I wanted Jamie Denton sometimes and Jamie. We ran into 0:17:17.119 --> 0:17:19.760 each other, I think a number before I left Los Angeles. 0:17:19.840 --> 0:17:25.600 We got together a dog I've not seen in a while. Marcia. 0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:28.640 I you know, you know, I knew Marcia beforehand. Uh huh, 0:17:29.440 --> 0:17:31.240 lay together down at the Old Globe. We did Two 0:17:31.280 --> 0:17:32.639 Gentlemen of Verona before. 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:34.200 That's cool. 0:17:34.520 --> 0:17:37.560 And that's when Marcia was going to quit acting and 0:17:37.600 --> 0:17:38.240 become a. 0:17:38.240 --> 0:17:42.040 Therapist, right right, right, and instead she got to use 0:17:42.080 --> 0:17:46.399 all that knowledge and channel it into this complicated character. 0:17:54.640 --> 0:17:56.640 I'm so curious. I mean, we've talked about this a lot. 0:17:56.640 --> 0:17:59.440 With my mom's character Susan. How so many people think 0:17:59.480 --> 0:18:03.040 of her now as Terry Hatcher being Susan. You know, 0:18:03.119 --> 0:18:05.520 she's they think she's not a good cook, They have 0:18:05.600 --> 0:18:08.160 certain ideas about her as a mom. I'm curious, did you, 0:18:08.640 --> 0:18:13.920 because Paul is such a kind of notorious villain on 0:18:14.000 --> 0:18:17.600 the show, what was your experience like with fans or 0:18:17.600 --> 0:18:19.320 with people who've met you who are fans of the 0:18:19.320 --> 0:18:21.120 show and then meet you in real life. Did any 0:18:21.160 --> 0:18:23.240 of that kind of get mapped onto you and the 0:18:23.240 --> 0:18:24.359 way it did with my mom's character. 0:18:24.480 --> 0:18:26.840 Well, I think it does when it's on, and I'm 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:28.560 sure your mom could tell you this when it's on, 0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:31.440 it's not more often with it, and now that it's rerunning, 0:18:31.680 --> 0:18:35.280 oftentimes people come up and they've seen it again. But 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:37.760 in terms of your mom, I mean, you know, I 0:18:38.240 --> 0:18:42.639 remember your mom is a bond girl in Lois You 0:18:44.200 --> 0:18:46.600 were just born then, but I knew her from other 0:18:46.640 --> 0:18:50.159 stuff as well, and so no, but you know it. 0:18:52.320 --> 0:18:56.560 I know, you sort of see actors and people go 0:18:56.640 --> 0:18:59.359 through different roles and stuff, but this was obviously a 0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:01.360 big one for everyone in the show, and I think 0:19:01.400 --> 0:19:04.120 everyone really made their mark on the show. And I'd 0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:07.760 also like to add, at the time this show was made, 0:19:08.280 --> 0:19:11.720 there weren't too many women over the age of forty. Yeah, 0:19:12.560 --> 0:19:14.280 you know, it was like you hit forty and your 0:19:14.280 --> 0:19:17.000 career was over. Well, I think Desperate House was one 0:19:17.000 --> 0:19:20.439 of those shows that really showed people are watching women 0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:22.800 get older, except for Eva, who was young, but yeah, 0:19:23.720 --> 0:19:25.439 a little more mature. I look at it now and 0:19:25.480 --> 0:19:26.600 I go, God, we were babies. 0:19:27.720 --> 0:19:30.520 Don't you feel that way? I feel I totally agree. 0:19:30.600 --> 0:19:33.080 I go like, wow, we were just such babies. But 0:19:33.160 --> 0:19:35.560 I didn't feel like a baby then, But I, oh, 0:19:35.640 --> 0:19:37.000 we really weren't. 0:19:37.040 --> 0:19:39.600 I mean, you know, it really was older women with 0:19:39.720 --> 0:19:43.280 kids and you know, but not but still everyone was 0:19:43.400 --> 0:19:44.119 very attractive. 0:19:44.440 --> 0:19:46.399 You know, yeah, I a good looking street. 0:19:46.520 --> 0:19:49.280 I used to say that if the network had actually 0:19:49.280 --> 0:19:51.840 been allowed to ask our age, you know, if that 0:19:51.920 --> 0:19:54.840 had been legal, they would never have cast four women 0:19:55.000 --> 0:19:57.919 over forty to lead a show at that time. I 0:19:58.000 --> 0:20:00.440 just I think they didn't realize I think they probably 0:20:00.440 --> 0:20:03.199 thought we were all thirty five or something, you know, 0:20:04.200 --> 0:20:07.800