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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Action Network Podcast, the number one show

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Speaker 1: for the invested sports fan. All right, here we go.

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Speaker 2: Fifteen, twenty twenty five, thirty thirty five, forty twenty five,

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Speaker 1: Kicks block the college football world.

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Speaker 3: Stunner.

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Speaker 4: Oh my goodness, he stumble and bumble the lateral turn

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Speaker 4: a counter on the l don't you The lad came

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Speaker 4: them off the fail the night.

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Speaker 1: It's not the side of the dog in the fight.

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Speaker 3: It's the size of the fight in the dog.

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Speaker 1: What's up the generate Nation? Welcome to the Action Network Podcast.

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Speaker 1: This is the two thy nineteen college football preseason betting preview.

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Speaker 1: This is part three. We're talking Big ten. I'm stucky

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Speaker 1: and with me as always is Colin Wilson. Ready to

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Speaker 1: debate some Ohio State, Michigan and try to find a

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Speaker 1: winner in the Wow Wile West love it.

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Speaker 4: Lots of corn fed teams we're going to talk about today,

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Speaker 4: big offensive lines, big defensive lines, and some teams can

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Speaker 4: defend explosiveness and some can't. And that's what makes the

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Speaker 4: difference in the Big ten.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and speaking of defending explosiveness, that was one of

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Speaker 1: the primary weaknesses of Ohio State last year. We're actually

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Speaker 1: going to speak with Ari Wasserman of the Athletic who

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Speaker 1: covers the Ohio State Beat, has done so since two

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Speaker 1: thousand and nine. We'll go through both divisions, the West needs.

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Speaker 1: We'll go through each team, talk about their win totals

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Speaker 1: where we make it. We'll close up with potential futures

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Speaker 1: with our favorite win totals that we like in the

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Speaker 1: Big Ten. And just to give you an idea of

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Speaker 1: what's to come leading up to Week zero or is

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Speaker 1: it week one extend now, I don't know, but football's

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Speaker 1: coming soon, is all I do know. Leading up to

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Speaker 1: that Week zero or Week one preview, we will have

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Speaker 1: you know, all five Power five previous so we already

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Speaker 1: did the Big Twelve. If you haven't checked that out,

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Speaker 1: check it out. Make sure you subscribe on Subscribe, review

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Speaker 1: and rate. This is the Big Ten preview. We'll obviously

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Speaker 1: do the other three Power five conferences, the ACC, the

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Speaker 1: PAC twelve, and the SEC. We'll also do a group

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Speaker 1: of five preview cover some of our favorite win totals

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Speaker 1: and key teams there. Then we'll have a recap episode.

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Speaker 1: I know that everyone loved that last year. We'll go

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Speaker 1: through our favorite win totals in rapid fire in each conference.

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Speaker 1: We'll also sprinkle in some award talk, you know, Heisman,

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Speaker 1: Buckis Award, you know, all that stuff throughout, and then

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden we'll be here and we'll be

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Speaker 1: previewing actual games, which I can't wait for. But today

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Speaker 1: is all about the Big Ten and the discussion. Look,

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Speaker 1: the Big Ten hasn't had a team make the Coach

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Speaker 1: Wall play up the last two seasons, and the Big

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Speaker 1: Ten champion hasn't made it the past three seasons. If

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Speaker 1: you recall, Ohio State made it three seasons ago, but

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Speaker 1: they didn't even play in the Big Ten championship game.

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Speaker 1: The primary discussion when you're talking about the Big Ten

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Speaker 1: and in the West. I mean when I say wild

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Speaker 3: If any of them won, it wouldn't be shocked at all.

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Speaker 4: I mean, by the end of this podcast, we may

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Speaker 4: even recommend Illinois going over their totals. So the West

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Speaker 4: is crazy this year. It's you know, it's everything from

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Speaker 4: Purdue is gonna take a step back every I mean,

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Speaker 4: the love for Nebraska is just we were not there yet.

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Speaker 4: The depth is just not there yet with them. What

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Speaker 1: Hopefully we can get our revenge this year on Northwestern.

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Speaker 1: They bring a lot back. Sixteen starters back in total.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, it is math. There's no there's no hating

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Speaker 4: This is a team that was an eleven point dog,

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Speaker 4: this squad was so young last year. Two freshmen, true

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Speaker 4: and defending pass explosiveness, that's huge. You know, they're not

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Speaker 4: how this podcast works. But the problem is there were

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Speaker 4: Getting gashed on the ground. They could not control a

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Speaker 4: They were one hundred and fifth and sack right, they

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Speaker 4: not sure they're talented enough to win the West. Do

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Speaker 4: I like looking at fifty to one to win the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, But I'm not sure they're talent enough on

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Speaker 1: Well, one thing I think that we can agree on

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Speaker 4: The projected point spread for that game is three, and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Northwestern, by the way, the week before that has

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Speaker 1: the Wild Wild West. They're over runners four and a

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Speaker 1: half wins. Colin You you know, gave a little teaser

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Speaker 1: maybe an overbet here, you project four point seven wins.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I do like Illinois, and I just you got

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Speaker 4: to look at their schedule, their schedules. You know, really,

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Speaker 4: They had one of the top ten rushing attacks in

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Speaker 4: They have four offensive linemen that started the entire year.

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Speaker 4: lot of positives going on here. Lovey Smith is on

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Speaker 4: So I would look for the cheapest, you know, juice

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Speaker 4: because I've already got money on it. This thing opened

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Speaker 4: I was still hitting it at three and a half.

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Speaker 4: If you can find a three and a half out there,

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Speaker 4: it's worth the juice. Four. I would look for the

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Speaker 4: lowest jwo's possible. But this is absolutely an overplay for me.

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Speaker 1: The fighting a line and I getting love on the

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Speaker 1: Big Ten Football Podcast preview has to be a first.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk a team. You know, we've mentioned a couple

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Speaker 1: of easy schedules. Not everyone can have an easy schedule.

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Speaker 1: projected win total is seven and a half at Westgate.

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Speaker 4: I'm not exactly warm on Iowa. It sounds like another

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Speaker 1: Okay, and that's going to another team that has an

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Speaker 4: I think everybody should set an alarm on their phone

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Speaker 4: I took under eight at plus juice. I've taken under

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Speaker 4: just things about this team. I gave them a bump

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Speaker 4: The secondary is thin, and that's going to hurt them

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Speaker 4: October twelfth, But the offensive line lost seventy four careers starts,

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Speaker 4: With this defense, they're still learning Eric Shenanders's scheme. He's

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Speaker 4: The defense was ninety fifth and third and long. They

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Speaker 4: just couldn't get it done on third down. You know,

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Speaker 4: I mean, I love Nebraska and I love their rush game,

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Speaker 3: You know specifically, you know Ohio.

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Speaker 4: State can't do it, but I mean they're going to

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Speaker 4: And I think that team, if you look at the schedule,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and if it gets to nine the win total,

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Speaker 1: just take them as a dog against Ohiowa State at home.

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Speaker 1: You're talking about setting alarm. Set an alarm for September fifteenth,

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Speaker 1: when those lines come out for that game at Illinois.

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Speaker 1: That line's going to come out and it's going to drop.

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Speaker 1: That is a tricky, tricky spot that I have circled

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Speaker 1: All Right, so let's talk a little Purdue over under

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Speaker 1: seven wins. You have them right at seven point one.

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Speaker 1: I agree that this win total is you know, spot

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Speaker 1: on Rondel Moore comes back at receiver a star I mean,

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Speaker 1: You know, they have a six year Cindelara is coming

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Speaker 1: But there's a lot of other questions. Number one, the

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Speaker 1: I find it tough to bet an over on Perdue.

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Speaker 1: But I also don't want to go under. It's just

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Speaker 3: I agree, I have it at seven. It's at seven now.

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Speaker 4: There are were some shops a couple months ago that

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Speaker 4: I see that. You're right. The rushing attack is going

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Speaker 4: tough for them. Bram is going to have to earn

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Speaker 4: And you know, Bram was already a Media Days. There's

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 4: You don't want to coach showing up to Media Days

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Speaker 4: You know, look at this schedule. I mean, this non

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Speaker 4: They can't get to the quarterback, they can't force any pressure.

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Speaker 4: So I mean, Brom's gonna have to earn his money

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Speaker 1: Yep, we tend to agree there. So now let's get

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Speaker 1: project eight point four. Here's the thing that Jonathan Taylor back.

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Speaker 4: Had all this hype and all this love for them

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Speaker 4: So you fast forward to the pin Strede Bowl and

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Speaker 4: Wasn't really a big, you know, box score filler by

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Speaker 4: they all have they've all bought into him and they

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Speaker 4: all believe in him. So I'm kind of waiting on

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Speaker 4: positive news to come out of their camp. When camp

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Speaker 4: breaks and they start to have the quarterback battle start up,

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Speaker 4: I'm kind of waiting for positive news to come out

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Speaker 4: of there to see how the team responds to Jack

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Speaker 4: Cone at quarterback. This Wisconsin team has a high ceiling

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Speaker 4: and the floor is just it's not that far off

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Speaker 4: from seven wins. I mean, they're they're just not going

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Speaker 4: to bottom out. So this is a team that could surprise.

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Speaker 4: But at the same time, you got to have efficient

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Speaker 4: play at quarterback or you're not gonna do anything. So

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Speaker 4: you know, Wisconsin was one hundred and fourth and pass

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Speaker 4: explosive this last year and they were ninety eighth and

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Speaker 4: pass efficiency.

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Speaker 3: That's not going to get it done.

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Speaker 4: And Jonathan Taylor is not going to go anywhere until

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Speaker 4: they get better quarterback play.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, speaking of a quarterback, claus, I mean you talk

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Speaker 1: of the ceiling. If Graham Mertz, who's one of the

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Speaker 1: most he's the most hyped. I think I saw an

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Speaker 1: article recently his most hyped quarterback since Russell Wilson at Wisconsin.

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Speaker 1: If he ends up playing and living up to his expectations,

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Speaker 1: it's a lot to ask of the kid, pro style quarterback,

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Speaker 1: but maybe that gets their passing game going.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it could be. I don't know what Chris is

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Speaker 3: going to do. I think I feel like Chris's.

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Speaker 4: Job right now is to is to pump up his

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Speaker 4: quarterbacks as much as possible.

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Speaker 3: And I don't know if he's just going to come

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Speaker 3: out and start Mertz, you know.

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Speaker 4: From day one. He may he may wait until the

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Speaker 4: schedule gets you know, pass Michigan. That Northwestern Kent State

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Speaker 4: swing maybe a good spot to put in a freshman,

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Speaker 4: so we'll see.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, one of the more interesting quarterback battles in the

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Speaker 1: Big Ten in the preseason and something to keep an

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Speaker 1: eye on. All right, So let's close out the West

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Speaker 1: with our favorite team, Pats Cats. Northwestern total over under

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Speaker 1: six wins over six minus one thirty Colin you project

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Speaker 1: five point five. I mean, it's funny that this team

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Speaker 1: projected for six wins, a team that is fifteen and

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Speaker 1: one in their past sixteen regular season Big Ten games.

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Speaker 1: It just seems like Pat fitz Stroild teams are always

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Speaker 1: going to overperform. They're gonna have a solid d but

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Speaker 1: you would expect just some regression. But maybe not. Maybe

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Speaker 1: they're just gonna keep, you know, getting lucky in these

479
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Speaker 1: low scoring games and have all the bounces go their way.

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Speaker 1: You know, maybe they're gonna lose at Stanford and then

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Speaker 1: home to UNLV and then run the table and the

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Speaker 1: Big Ten again, and then maybe they lose it to

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Speaker 1: UMass at home later in the year. If we're gonna

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Speaker 1: follow what happened last year when they were just so

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Speaker 1: awful out of conference, but Northwestern projected for six wins,

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Speaker 1: you make it five and a half at plus money

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Speaker 1: at six. You know, you know, they go to Wisconsin,

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Speaker 1: they start at Stanford, they play Michigan State at home,

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Speaker 1: they play Ohio stay at home on that Friday night.

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Speaker 1: Their end of the year schedule is really easy. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it closes out. I went home at Indiana and then

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Speaker 1: Purdue at home, U MASSI at home, Minnesota at home,

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Speaker 1: then at Illinois. But if you're gonna make me bet this,

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Speaker 1: I think the number is probably that right, But I

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Speaker 1: think there's value with the plus money at six on

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Speaker 1: the under slight value. What are your thoughts?

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Speaker 4: I think. I think Northwestern is an enigma and I

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Speaker 4: just I was so happy at the end of last

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Speaker 4: season because I had to stop thinking about Northwestern. This

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Speaker 4: is a team that went on to beat everybody while

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Speaker 4: they had an offensive rating outside the top one hundred

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Speaker 4: and success rate and isoppp Clayton Thorson's gone, the offensive

503
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Speaker 4: line is gone, the two top receivers are gone. I

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Speaker 4: have no clue what we're going to get from Pat Fitzgerald.

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Speaker 4: All I know is is once I needed this team

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Speaker 4: and I needed them to cover against Ohio State in

507
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Speaker 4: the Bigsen Championship, they let me down. So this team

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Speaker 4: we'll see. I think the numbers spot on. So there's

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Speaker 4: nicka gonna be a preseason play for me on Northwestern.

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Speaker 4: But I'll be watching them heavily. You know, in week

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Speaker 4: one and August thirty, first Northwestern and Stanford play each other.

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Speaker 4: I mean I've got a total of fifty based on

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Speaker 4: last year's numbers, assuming pace doesn't change and snap count

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Speaker 4: doesn't change. This team I've got the total of but

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Speaker 4: I don't think I would hit the under end. I mean,

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Speaker 4: where would you hit the under.

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Speaker 3: I think i'd hit the under until thirty eight. At

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Speaker 3: thirty nine not.

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Speaker 1: That low, but I need to go over forty two one.

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Speaker 1: If you recall they played, I think they opened the

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Speaker 1: season four years ago in twenty fifteen. The season opener

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Speaker 1: Northwestern was a dog. It was like an eleven am kick,

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Speaker 1: and which is just maybe it was eleven am local

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Speaker 1: for Stanford. But the game is at Northwestern in Evanston.

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Speaker 1: Northwestern won sixteen to six. I think that we could

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Speaker 1: probably expect I wouldn't surprise you to see a similar

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Speaker 1: score here.

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Speaker 4: But something you have to keep in mind though I

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Speaker 4: know we're getting on week one talk here, but something

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Speaker 4: you have to keep in mind is that Stanford's students

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Speaker 4: don't even get to school until like the last day

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Speaker 4: of September. They don't start class to the last Monday

533
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Speaker 4: in September. So this is going to be a total

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Speaker 4: a grand total of thirty people in the stands and

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Speaker 4: it's just gonna be local family of people that are

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Speaker 4: on the field. I mean, this could be nobody at

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Speaker 4: that game.

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Speaker 1: Wine Tailgate, Drik Wine. That is Tailgates there, classy Tailgate

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Speaker 1: at Stanford. All right, So that's the West. We'll have

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Speaker 1: many more thoughts on Northwestern, but I agree, let's not

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Speaker 1: even go near their win total. Hopefully make their make

542
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Speaker 1: more money than we did last year week to week

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Speaker 1: on Pat's Cats. But let's get to the East. You know,

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Speaker 1: when you're talking the East and the Big Ten in general,

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Speaker 1: the two favorites are Ohio State and Michigan. Depending on

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Speaker 1: where you look, Ohio State or Michigan might be. There

547
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Speaker 1: could be a different favorites on different books. You know.

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Speaker 1: I think at Westgate they're both plus two to fifty

549
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Speaker 1: to make the playoff. Michigan's fourteen to one to win

550
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Speaker 1: the national title. I State sixteen to one to win

551
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Speaker 1: the Big Ten. I think at Westgate Michigan's plus one

552
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Speaker 1: sixty Ohio States plus one seventy five. But at some books,

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Speaker 1: Ohio State's the favorite. These two teams are right there.

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Speaker 1: It's probably going to come down to that game in

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Speaker 1: ann Arbor. So before we get into the East. Let's

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Speaker 1: talk with our guest today, Ari Wasserman of The Athletic,

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Speaker 1: who covers the Ohio State beat. You have a alone

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Speaker 1: but not Arkansas like colin Arizona. What's going on? Are

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Speaker 1: you want to give us a quick little background of

560
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Speaker 1: where you come from and what you cover?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I went to the University of Arizona. Back

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Speaker 2: to college football. I've been covering a lot of state

563
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Speaker 2: for the past nine years, which is crazy to say

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Speaker 2: out loud. And here I am for The Athletic subscription

565
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Speaker 2: based website app where we have high level sports writing

566
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Speaker 2: and no advertisement. So for a small fee you get

567
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Speaker 2: a clean app, awesome experience. Can read about every team

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Speaker 2: and every sport and it's done at a high level.

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Speaker 2: So I appreciate it if you guys check it out.

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Speaker 4: Ari and I we get into it this u of

571
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Speaker 4: a than and we're going to talk about Lootles and

572
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Speaker 4: Nolan Richardson where the podcast is over. But no, the

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Speaker 4: Athletic is really where we start to get our information.

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Speaker 4: It's you know, we can't base our gambling decisions unless

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Speaker 4: we have stuff like what Ari produces about Ohio State,

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Speaker 4: which has helped me form plenty of my opinions this year.

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Speaker 1: That's why we all watch, right, there's nothing better than

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Speaker 1: college football, and it'll be here soon enough. And for

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Speaker 1: those of you betting at home that bet on Colin

580
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Speaker 1: referencing nineties Arkansas basketball once again, cash your tickets. All right.

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Speaker 1: So before we get into some Ohio State talk, I

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Speaker 1: do want to ask you. You know, you've been covering

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Speaker 1: Ohio State for a while to Arizona. Are you a

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Speaker 1: fan of either team or did you grow up rooting

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Speaker 1: for another team?

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm not a fan. I'm a I'm a

587
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Speaker 2: journalist and I cover it right down the middle. Don't

588
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Speaker 2: care whether they win or lose, and I view it

589
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Speaker 2: as my duty to inform people on the real deal,

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Speaker 2: good and bad when it comes to Ohio State football. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: when it comes to Ohio State, most of stuff is good,

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Speaker 2: right because they're win all the time. But you know,

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of bias and a lot of you know,

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Speaker 2: points of view on the Ohio State interwebs. And I

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Speaker 2: pride myself on being the place that's going to cover

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Speaker 2: it right down the middle. And it's a it's a

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Speaker 2: big point of pride for me. I think it's a

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Speaker 2: huge bonus for people who want to read the real

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Speaker 2: deal and don't want to just read opinions that they

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Speaker 2: already have.

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Speaker 1: Very professional approach. And so let's get into some Ohio

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Speaker 1: State talk. I know you cover them very closely. I

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Speaker 1: guess we'll start with a question that you're going to

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Speaker 1: hear a lot about, especially if you know, if Ohio

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Speaker 1: State takes a loss earlier struggles early on, what are

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Speaker 1: you anticipating the drop off or impact you know, urban

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Speaker 1: Meyer leaving and what is that? What does that drop off?

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Speaker 1: You know, he's been so great after buys in first

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Speaker 1: games and in bulls and just everything about urban Meyer.

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Speaker 1: So how do you look at that drop off from

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Speaker 1: urban Meyer to Ryan Day.

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Speaker 2: I Mean, here's the thing. Everybody wants to act like

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Speaker 2: nothing's snow, big deal, But if the team loses one

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Speaker 2: of the best coaches in the history of the game,

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Speaker 2: you have to factor that in. You know, the win

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Speaker 2: total of what they have coming back and the win

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Speaker 2: total that they have in Vegas reflects that loss, because

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Speaker 2: I bet you would be higher than ten if urban

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Speaker 2: Meyer were still the head coach. And I think that's fair. Now,

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Speaker 2: the thing with me in college football in general is

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Speaker 2: I think being a head coach in college football is

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Speaker 2: eighty percent accumulating and having talent twenty percent coaching. And

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Speaker 2: the teams that have the best talent are the teams

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Speaker 2: that are winning all the time. And that's part of

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Speaker 2: the reason why you see the same three or four

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Speaker 2: teams in the conversation at the end of the years,

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Speaker 2: because those are the three or four teams that have

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Speaker 2: recruited the best. So I will say that Ryan Day

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Speaker 2: is a great, brilliant offensive mind. I think they've hired

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Speaker 2: and made change to the defensive staff from some of

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Speaker 2: the issues that they had last year, and they have,

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Speaker 2: most importantly the talented roster that urban Meyer helped create.

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Speaker 2: So as it pertains the future, whether Ryan Day is

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Speaker 2: going to be good enough to keep this job long term,

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Speaker 2: and my opinion is going to be predicated solely on

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Speaker 2: whether or not he has the ability to accumulate talent

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Speaker 2: at the same level until party's done that. But right now,

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Speaker 2: it's about excell and o's and coaching the players that

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Speaker 2: Ohio State has, and there's no team on Ohio State

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Speaker 2: schedule that has more talent than them.

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Speaker 4: All Right, we had deer eyes last year when urban

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Speaker 4: Meyer was sitting out of suspension that Ohio State was

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Speaker 4: about a two point drop from when Ryan Day took

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Speaker 4: over to Urban Meyer, so it'd be two points for

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Speaker 4: Urban Meyer as the coach. But it's even bigger in

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Speaker 4: big time games when we look at the quarterbacks this year.

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Speaker 4: How much of a drop off is it going to

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Speaker 4: be from Dwayne Haskins to Justin Fields? Because what we've

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Speaker 4: seen on the field so far with the spring game

650
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Speaker 4: going four thirteen, really only had the one big pass,

651
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 4: had a bunch of had a bunch of passes go

652
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 4: you know, behind the player in front of the receiver

653
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 4: over the head, and we haven't really seen him run.

654
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 4: Ohio State's not allowed him to run. What is the

655
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 4: drop off we're going to have from Haskins to Field?

656
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 2: And I think that's the number one thing when it

657
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 2: comes to approaching this from a gambling standpoint, when you

658
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 2: look at Ohio State into a win total, because the

659
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 2: number one question is the quarterback, right and they you know,

660
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 2: Dwayne Haskins is arguably the best quarterback in Ohio State history.

661
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 2: He definitely wasn't the passer and we haven't seen much,

662
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 2: you know, at all of Justin Fields and his capability.

663
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 2: So I think that you obviously are going to take

664
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 2: a major set back in the happening game because there

665
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 2: aren't a lot of kids in general and any team

666
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 2: that can throw the ball the way Twayne did. But

667
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 2: when it comes to how he's going to translate into

668
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 2: Ohio State's offense and what this offense is going to

669
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 2: look like once they allow him to run, you know,

670
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 2: that's the number one question because you can't run in

671
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 2: the spring game. And the thing about the spring game

672
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 2: and trying to analyze everything from that standpoint is that

673
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 2: you got to remember the kid was at Ohio State

674
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 2: for like three weeks. By the time he played in

675
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 2: that game, he only had fourteen or fifteen practices under

676
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 2: his belt. It's like, how much can you possibly gauge,

677
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 2: you know, from those pieces of information? To me, not much.

678
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna run the ball ten to fifteen

679
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 2: times a game. I think Damayine ran at the six

680
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 2: times game. I think he's a more athletic player. I

681
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 2: don't think he's anywhere in the same galaxy as a passer.

682
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 2: But Ohio State has the benefit of one thing, and

683
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 2: that's a wealth of talent at every position and every

684
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 2: skill position group on the offense, and I think he's

685
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 2: going to put up big numbers with a talent that

686
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 2: he has around him, But in terms of drop off,

687
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 2: it's going to be a different style. And I think

688
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 2: that the same way we talked with Urban Meyer and

689
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 2: Ryan Day, you got to say the same thing with

690
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 2: Dwayne Haskins. He's one of the best quarterbacks in Ohio

691
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 2: state history. I'd be nuts to tell you that there's

692
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 2: no drop off. Of course there's drop offs. That was

693
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 2: a top fifteen pick.

694
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

695
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 4: Currently, the Westgate has listed Justin Fields at tend to

696
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 4: one to win the Heisman, which is, I mean, lower

697
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 4: odds than what Haskins was listening at about a year ago.

698
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 4: And I think the big question for me, the reason

699
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 4: why I'm kind of fading Justin Fields or at least

700
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 4: not touching him in the Heisman chances, is because at

701
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 4: the end of the day, two is going to rack

702
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 4: up four thousand yards and Trevor Lawrence last year had

703
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 4: a thirty to four touchdown to interception ratio. Is Justin

704
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 4: Field's gonna play in garbage time against Florida Atlantic, against Cincinnati,

705
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 4: against Miami of Ohio. Yeah, Yeah, when these garbage times

706
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 4: come around. I mean, he's not gonna be there to

707
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 4: rack up the yards like I mean two was sitting

708
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 4: after the second quarter. But what are they gonna do

709
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 4: with Justin Fields.

710
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 2: Well, this is the thing that you need to take

711
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 2: into account. When Ohio State got Justin Field into the folds.

712
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 2: Last year, they lost their two backup quarterbacks through the

713
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 2: transfer portal and they replaced them with a quarterback who

714
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 2: couldn't win the job at Kentucky in a walk. So

715
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 2: to me, this is the biggest balance tight rope pack

716
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 2: that Ohio State's coaching staff is going to have to

717
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 2: do all year. Is balance between helping fields play enough

718
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 2: to continue to gain experience and get better as the

719
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 2: season progresses. But Ohio State if he gets injured fair

720
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 2: or screwed, so like they have to, you know, play

721
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 2: that balance of how much do you play it? And

722
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 2: I think Ohio State has left their players in too

723
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 2: long in the past. Now they can't play. They can't

724
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 2: mess around with that because they're one injury away from

725
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 2: maybe losing four or five games in my opinion, So

726
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 2: it's about the entire season has been staked on this kid,

727
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 2: and I think he's very talented, and I think that

728
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 2: in Ohio States offense, if you are a team that

729
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 2: is going to compete for a national championship, you're gonna

730
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 2: put up the numbers. You're going to be in the

731
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 2: conversation by default. You can't understand too that people who

732
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,239
Speaker 2: vote for the Heisman are people. They're biased. It's not

733
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 2: just about how much stats or how many yards or

734
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 2: touchdowns he's going to rack up in the third quarter

735
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 2: and fourth quarter. Concept by you these people for right

736
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 2: or wrong. You got to remember that this kid's a

737
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 2: transfer and people don't like people who transfer. So even

738
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 2: if he ends up having a great year, there's going

739
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 2: to be a built in bias with him from the

740
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 2: voters of Hey, he left Georgia because he didn't want

741
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 2: to sit behind fromp So there's a lot of different

742
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 2: things in terms of the Heisman race, and I think

743
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 2: that you have to take into account, especially myself. I'm

744
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 2: a Heisman voter and I think about all sorts of

745
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 2: those things when I'm making those picks.

746
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's definitely an interesting point that you

747
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: bring up. Concuse, I think Ohio State really wants to balance,

748
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 1: you know, getting fields up to speed, but also making

749
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: sure that he stays healthy for the end of the

750
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 1: year for a game like Michigan, and obviously that's the

751
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 1: big game. As of right now, are in Michigan's favored

752
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 1: by about three in the look ahead market against Ohio

753
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,239
Speaker 1: State Michigan. Many of you know, Michigan hasn't won this

754
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: game since twenty eleven hardball zoo and four. Is this

755
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: the year do you think that Michigan, I mean, it's

756
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: going to be an an arbor finally beats Ohio State

757
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: or does the trend continue? And then along those lines,

758
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: if you had to pick Ohio State with over under

759
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: ten wins, if you had a bett so two part

760
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,239
Speaker 1: question there, what do you think about the Michigan game?

761
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: And then the overall win total.

762
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 2: Here's the thing about the Michigan game. Isn't the spread

763
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 2: always three or two whatever? I mean? I feel like

764
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 2: that's always the case. And I don't even remember what

765
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 2: it was last year, but last year I was convinced

766
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 2: that this was the year Michigan was going to beat

767
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 2: Ohio State. They seem to have a better team. Ohio

768
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 2: State apparently, just beating Maryland gave up plus five hundred

769
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,239
Speaker 2: and some yards of offense. I was convinced. And what

770
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 2: was the spread last year? I don't remember if the

771
00:33:58,120 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 2: top of my head, and I think it was Michigan

772
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 2: and they were giving points to Ohio State at home,

773
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 2: and like, until Jim Harbaugh beats Ohio State, I'm taking points.

774
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 2: I mean, who wouldn't take the points, especially if you

775
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:11,800
Speaker 2: think it's going to be a close game. From a

776
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 2: gambling standpoint, you take points and the better players every time,

777
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:18,240
Speaker 2: right and until Michigan actually turns out to beat Ohio

778
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 2: State because there's other psychological issues and things that go

779
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 2: on to that whatever happened, Michigan show completely in every

780
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 2: possible way in last year's games until they beat Ohio

781
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,399
Speaker 2: State with lest talented players I don't even care about

782
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 2: experience less talented across the board. I'm not going to

783
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 2: expect them to do that. If I were going to

784
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 2: take the over under on win totals, I would take

785
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 2: the over when you told me it was ten. The

786
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,399
Speaker 2: ability to push there kind of makes it a little

787
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 2: bit more attractive to take the over because I think

788
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 2: Ohio State absolutely could go ten and two. Absolutely. They

789
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 2: have a pretty tough schedule and I'm sure we'll get

790
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 2: to the Iowa and Purdue losses. Those were the two

791
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 2: most inexplicable losses in Ohio State history. In my pitch,

792
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 2: for a team that has that much of a talent

793
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 2: advantage to lose by that much, I've never I mean,

794
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 2: that doesn't make any sense. How many players did Purdue

795
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 2: or Iowa have on their rosters. I could have started

796
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,760
Speaker 2: on the other side, one or one to three total

797
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 2: players on both teams in both years, than to blow

798
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 2: them out that way. I've never seen that before. And

799
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 2: part of the reason I think was coaching deficiencies, and

800
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 2: most deficiencies have been apparently changed with the entirely new

801
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 2: defensive staff. So to me, I'm taking the points and

802
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 2: I'm taking the over and win total because they could

803
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 2: lose two games and win ten easily.

804
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 4: So let's talk about the guy that was at the

805
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 4: center of that blowout, that Ohio State blowout of Michigan

806
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 4: last year, which would be the defensive line coach for

807
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 4: Michigan who is now the defensive coordinator for Ohio State,

808
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,720
Speaker 4: and that's Greg Madison. Greg Madison worked with Jack Harbaugh,

809
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 4: John Harbaugh, Jim Harbaugh, and so he took this opportunity

810
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:48,479
Speaker 4: to jump ship for Michigan and go to Ohio State

811
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:52,800
Speaker 4: because he wanted a coordinating position. He doubled his salary.

812
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 4: Harbaugh understands why he did it. I still think he's

813
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 4: heard about and he's going to take it personal, but

814
00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 4: he understands why that happened. There was some talk of

815
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 4: about it at media Day. I think the focus though,

816
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 4: I mean, Madison could be he could be good for

817
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 4: the Ohio State offense considering some of the advanced splits

818
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 4: that I've seen. But I think more importantly we need

819
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 4: to focus on what do we know about Jeff Haffley,

820
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 4: who's going to be coaching the secondary. He's the co

821
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 4: defensive coordinator. He's going to be running with the defensive

822
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 4: backs and the niners. He's been with the San Francisco

823
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 4: forty nine is the last three years, and their defensive

824
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 4: pass of pass efficiency ranks the last three years have

825
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 4: been twenty seventh, twenty eighth, and twenty eighth per Football Outsiders.

826
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,399
Speaker 4: So what do we see with the halfley higher and

827
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,399
Speaker 4: is he going to get this secondary to be able

828
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 4: to defend explosiveness a bit better?

829
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 2: Absolutely good question, and that's the thing that you have

830
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 2: to kind of wait and see the one thing I

831
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 2: will say, there's a much bigger difference in talent discrepancy

832
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 2: in the college game. So sometimes when I go and

833
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 2: I look at Thatt like what a coach did in

834
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 2: the NFL, for good or for bad, I take it

835
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 2: with the grain of salt because Halfley didn't create the

836
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 2: roster and when the forty nine ers lined up against

837
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 2: the other teams last year, he didn't get to pick

838
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 2: who was on the team or who they were playing.

839
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 2: And at Ohio State they have better players. So a

840
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 2: coach is at a distinct advantage every week when they

841
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 2: line up because they have the ability to have their

842
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 2: errors corrected by just pure athleticism. It's an odd thing

843
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 2: to think, well, Ohio State dropped sixty two points on Michigan,

844
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 2: let's go get you know Madison and now Washington the

845
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 2: new linebacker coach from the team that they just put

846
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 2: sixty two on, and then now they're going to pick

847
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 2: the defense. I think with Ohio State's defense specifically, a

848
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,240
Speaker 2: I think their scheme, or the way it was explained

849
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 2: to me, it was their scheme was done by Greg

850
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 2: Ciano last year, and it was very complex NFL type

851
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 2: scheme given Schiano's background Buccaneers in the NFL, and I

852
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 2: think Ohio State has spent a lot of time this

853
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 2: year simplifying the scheme, adding that linebacker hybrid position, just

854
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,800
Speaker 2: letting the athletes go play football. You know, that was

855
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,439
Speaker 2: the worst defense in Ohio State history, and I don't

856
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 2: know if that's because they didn't have good players or

857
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 2: it was just because of the schematic issues. So to me,

858
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 2: it's not the players. How could it be the players.

859
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 2: They've got better players. It's a schematic issue. So do

860
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 2: I think that Ohio State has hired new people that

861
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 2: can bring a new perspective and change the scheme to

862
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 2: better suit the players that they have. You have to

863
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 2: imagine that they did and that they're going to try

864
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 2: to correct it, because honestly, the entire idea or the

865
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 2: feeling of them having that defense last year still I

866
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 2: have no idea how Maryland put up six hundred yards

867
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 2: of offense on that team with the horses they have

868
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 2: on that flack.

869
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:23,359
Speaker 3: I completely agree.

870
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 4: I was tweeting out the other night that TCU and

871
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 4: Ohio State from last year was on ESPNU and it

872
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,240
Speaker 4: was just this Siano scheme where he had the defensive line,

873
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 4: slants and stunts, and it was going the complete direct

874
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 4: opposite of the way that TCU was had their offense

875
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 4: rushing the ball. So, with that being asked, the Buckey's

876
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 4: defense was one hundred and twenty second defending rush explosiveness

877
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 4: last year. You know, Iowa twenty seventeen happened. Perdue twenty

878
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 4: eighteen happened. Is there a game on the schedule this

879
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 4: year that Ohio State fans should be looking out for now?

880
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 4: I would point to Nebraska and their rushing attack. I

881
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 4: would even say Maryland they were third in rushing explosiveness

882
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 4: last year. Do you see a game on here that's

883
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 4: kind of a trap game for Ohio State where you

884
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,280
Speaker 4: know another Isola or Purdue could happen.

885
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 2: Well, if you would have asked me two years ago

886
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:09,839
Speaker 2: at this point in time, is there a trap game

887
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 2: on the schedule? I've been like, no, Ohio State doesn't

888
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 2: lose track games, And like, if you go back and

889
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 2: you look the last fifteen years before the last two,

890
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 2: what was the worst team they lost to. I mean,

891
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,320
Speaker 2: they lost to Michigan State, and they lost to Michigan

892
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 2: at times they lost to you know, other teams and

893
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 2: bowl games, and stuff. But they never lost to a

894
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 2: team like Purdue.

895
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 1: Well, they would always blow out that cute team that

896
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: everyone was, Hey, this is a trap. Ohio State would

897
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:35,399
Speaker 1: always end up even on the road, going in there

898
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:35,720
Speaker 1: and stop.

899
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, well they don't. They would lose games

900
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 2: with teams that were good. They would never lose to

901
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 2: the bottom half of the conference. So to sit here

902
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,359
Speaker 2: and say, well, if I would circle that Indiana game,

903
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,800
Speaker 2: you're never going to hear about. Indiana doesn't belong on

904
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 2: the same field as Ohio State. But I think everybody

905
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 2: is circling three games that aren't the premier obvious ones.

906
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 2: They're circling the Cincinnati game because Luke Fickle's coming back home.

907
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 2: Cincinnati is returning a lot of talent, and that was

908
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 2: a ten win team last year, and you know, Luke

909
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 2: Fickle because his entire life could be made by them,

910
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 2: you know, playing Ohio State on the road. The second

911
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 2: one is the Nebraska game because it's year two of

912
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 2: Scott Frost that you know, they've got a very good

913
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,839
Speaker 2: quarterback and a sophomore and Adrian Martinez and they've got

914
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 2: a lot going for them. And then three is the

915
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 2: Northwestern game on the Road on Friday night, which is

916
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:27,320
Speaker 2: a weird primetime television Friday game. And every time Ohio

917
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 2: State goes to Northwestern, even though it's been few and

918
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 2: far between, they grow the grass out. It's always raining,

919
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 2: it's always a weird game. Pat Fitzgerald is going to

920
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 2: play off the revenge thing and biggest game and then

921
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 2: Northwestern history all over again. They do that stuff every year.

922
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 2: But it's just like, are these talent gaps really closed? Like, no,

923
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,320
Speaker 2: they're not. Ohio State returns a pretty solid portion of

924
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,839
Speaker 2: the roster and it's up to them to get better.

925
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 2: And I don't think Ohio State got worse enough for

926
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 2: me to start picking, you know, Northwestern win or Indiana

927
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 2: to win. And if that happens, you know, that'll be

928
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 2: the inexplicable loss, just like Iowa two years ago and

929
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 2: Purdue last year. And to me, those losses cost coaches

930
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 2: to get fired and they should. So that's the thing.

931
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 2: I can't predict that they are inexplicable and crazy because

932
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 2: nobody can cover.

933
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you mentioned Ohio State brings a lot back,

934
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,760
Speaker 1: especially on defense, but they're they're the type of program

935
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 1: that obviously just reloads and you know, Lake in Alabama, Clemson,

936
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 1: these premier programs, you can just replace a kid that's

937
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 1: gone with another five star. So before we let you go,

938
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: I know that you do follow the recruiting trail pretty closely.

939
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 1: Is there an incoming freshman that our listeners should keep

940
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: an eye on that could be a high impact player

941
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 1: for the Buckeyes this year?

942
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 2: Well, Ohiowa say is recruiting four or five five star

943
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,240
Speaker 2: prospects every year, so they've got a lot of talent,

944
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 2: and even players that aren't freshmen or redshirt freshmen or

945
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 2: sophomores are gonna step up with Ohio State lost a

946
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 2: ton of firepower at the receiver position, and they've got

947
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 2: a true freshman named Garrett Wilson is the receiver and

948
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,280
Speaker 2: I think he's going to step into the rotation immediately

949
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 2: and be very very good. And the coaching staff and

950
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 2: the whole thing in general of whether or Ohio it's

951
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 2: going to be in the national title conversation is going

952
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 2: to be based on whether or not the coaches have

953
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 2: the dumption the fortitude to go out there and replace

954
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 2: over players that might not be as talented or as

955
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 2: good as natural young players. And I think Garrett Wilson

956
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,280
Speaker 2: fits that Bill in the receiver room. I think toaja,

957
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 2: Mitchell got the talent the coaching staff now has put

958
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 2: together and make them a good beam.

959
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 1: There you have it. Yeah, I think that the fields

960
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 1: connection and how he can grow with Wilson as the

961
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: season goes on will go a long way in determining

962
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: how successful the Ohio State season is. Thanks for joining us.

963
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 1: Are check out his stuff at the Athletic. You can

964
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: also follow him at Ari Wasserman, Thanks for joining us. Brother.

965
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 2: All right, guys, thanks for having me on.

966
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: All right, Yeah, now that we've talked with Ari, let's

967
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: let's give our thoughts on Ohio State over under his

968
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: ten wins. And you know Ari said at ten, I

969
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: mean he likes the over because of that potential to push. Look,

970
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 1: I'm not a fan of this Ohio State team this year.

971
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 1: I do think there's gonna be a significant drop off.

972
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 1: I do think the schedule is potentially tricky than many

973
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,760
Speaker 1: are thinking it's going to be. They also host Michigan State,

974
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 1: who has enormous revenge, and we'll get to Michigan State

975
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 1: for that forty eight three loss. So I think the

976
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 1: schedule looks pretty tricky. So it wouldn't have shocked me

977
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: to see nine wins. I mean, and if things go bad,

978
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 1: eight wins and eight and four Ohio State team, I

979
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: want no part of them in the futures market, no

980
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 1: part of them. To win the Big Ten. I've said before,

981
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: I think Michigan is winning this division and the Big

982
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 1: Ten and getting to a Big Ten championship for the

983
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,280
Speaker 1: first time ever. They've never been there, which is crazy.

984
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: But Ohio State, look, we said new defensive system. They

985
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: have a new quarterback, new coach, the defense should be better.

986
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: They bring back nine starters, But I mean, can they

987
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: finally stop explosive plays in this new system? What are

988
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,280
Speaker 1: your thoughts on Ohio State overall?

989
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 4: All right there with you? I mean, I'm on the

990
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 4: under two. I've hit ten at plus juice, and I've

991
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 4: hit under ten and a half with plenty of minus juice.

992
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 4: You know, the Buckeyes are one hundred and seventeenth and

993
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 4: returning production on offense, which means they're gonna have a

994
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 4: lot of new faces around justin fields, and they're eighth

995
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 4: on d defense, And you would think that it's a

996
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 4: good thing that Ohio State is going to return a

997
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 4: whole bunch of players from last year's team, but this

998
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 4: is a team that was one hundred and twenty second

999
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 4: against rush explosiveness. Nebraska would feast on that. They're one

1000
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 4: hundred and twenty six and defensive passing downs explosiveness. That

1001
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 4: means anytime a team gets in a pass situation, they're

1002
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,240
Speaker 4: just blowing the doors off of Ohio State. Like Purdue

1003
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 4: did last year. Their defensive back havoc rate was eighty

1004
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 4: fourth in the nation. And we talked to Ari about

1005
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 4: the new coaches. You know, Jeff Hafley comes in from

1006
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 4: the forty nine ers and Greg Madison is the defensive

1007
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 4: line coach from Michigan. He just got blown out by

1008
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 4: Ohio State and he's rewarded by being the defensive coordinator

1009
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 4: of Ihoa State. So that doesn't make much sense either.

1010
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 4: There's a prop out there in Vegas. There may be

1011
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 4: some in New Jersey. I don't know if you can

1012
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:41,800
Speaker 4: find it, but I know what's out there in Vegas

1013
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 4: about who will have more wins at the end of

1014
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 4: the season. It's basically a pick them between Michigan and

1015
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 4: Ohio State. I would take Michigan on that all day

1016
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 4: fields at ten to one for the Heisman that. I mean,

1017
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 4: even Haskins didn't have that number last year. I think

1018
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 4: that number is completely stay away. I think it's a

1019
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 4: complete stay away. I don't like anything that's going on

1020
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,399
Speaker 4: with this team. Until they get their you know, until

1021
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 4: they get things fixed on defense, about stopping explosive plays,

1022
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 4: especially on the ground, They're not going to beat anybody

1023
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:10,320
Speaker 4: that has a pulse on offense.

1024
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I think the schedules, it's a tricky. It's

1025
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 1: trickier than people think. And I think they lose two

1026
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 1: of these games at Michigan, at Nebraska, at Northwestern, at Indiana.

1027
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: I think they've lose at Michigan for sure, and then

1028
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 1: Michigan State and Sincy are potentially tricky at home, and nah,

1029
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 1: I think Michigan State's gonna beat them, We'll get to them.

1030
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 4: Look at the teams on the schedule that have a

1031
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 4: very decent running game. Maryland is one of them, Wisconsin

1032
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 4: is definitely one of them, Nebraska is one of them,

1033
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 4: and I think Penn State and Ohio State. You have

1034
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 4: to fact check me on this. I don't think they've

1035
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 4: had a game played outside of like three or four points.

1036
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 4: I think like every game has been a one possession

1037
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 4: game for the last number of years when Franklin got

1038
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 4: there ten wins, that's asking a lot in my opinion.

1039
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, the one thing I will say for Ohio State

1040
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 1: listeners out there is that, look, you have a rock

1041
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: and JK. Dobbins in the backfield. Rushing game should be excellent.

1042
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 1: And look this Ohio State they do reload. They have

1043
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 1: a ton of talent. So there's been years before where

1044
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: people are like eh, and then all of a sudden

1045
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 1: you have these kids who come in and all of

1046
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 1: a sudden, it's like, Wow, they're significantly better than a

1047
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 1: lot of people like ourselves thought. So you do have

1048
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 1: that going for you. And also a first special team

1049
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 1: shout out of the podcast. They have an excellent punter

1050
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 1: and Drew Crispin who can be a weapon. Ray GUI finalist,

1051
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: So that's a high state. But I would agree I

1052
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: think it's under especially if you can get ten under

1053
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 1: ten and a half.

1054
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 3: One other podcast in July is talking about the punter.

1055
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 4: We will only hear everything that you need here all

1056
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 4: the one stop shop here is what we got.

1057
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 1: So we bet Michigan we are both higher on over

1058
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: under ten and a half, but it depends on where

1059
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: you look. I mean the ten and a half at

1060
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 1: Westgate's plus one fifty if you want to go over,

1061
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 1: which I actually like.

1062
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 2: Uh.

1063
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 1: I think this comes down to Look, if Jay Patterson

1064
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 1: is coming back at quarterback, they're gonna have a new

1065
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: offensive system with a new coordinator. They're gonna go no huddle.

1066
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a pro style spread. It's Michigan will

1067
00:46:57,719 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 1: completely different on offense. This is what they've been missing.

1068
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,800
Speaker 1: You have four years of hardball's recruiting in there. You

1069
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,280
Speaker 1: know this schedule, you know that they're in the East.

1070
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 1: They have Notre Dame, Wisconsin, Iowa's The schedule isn't easy.

1071
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 1: They also have to replace a lot of guys on defense.

1072
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,879
Speaker 1: You're placing Bush and Gary and Winnovich. But I think

1073
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 1: the question is can they lose just one game and

1074
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 1: win the Big Ten? I think yes, And if they do,

1075
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: they're going to the College Football Playoff. Plus, their three

1076
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: biggest games are at home Notre Dame, Michigan State, and

1077
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 1: Ohio State. They're all in ann Arbor. So I think

1078
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 1: the biggest questions there or with this team are can

1079
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: the receivers take the next step up in this offense?

1080
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 1: And step up. Then the offense complement the defense. Defense

1081
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:34,720
Speaker 1: did lose a lot, but it should still be excellent.

1082
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 1: You know, Michigan's defense is just death taxes in Michigan's

1083
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 1: defense the last couple of years. And then if so,

1084
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 1: I think the whole season, you know, I'm on Michigan futures.

1085
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 1: I have them fourteen to one. I have them to

1086
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 1: win the Big Ten. I have some over win totals,

1087
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:53,359
Speaker 1: but I think the whole season comes down to that

1088
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 1: game against Wisconsin. If they can win that game at Wisconsin,

1089
00:47:58,320 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 1: you know, and like I said, there are three other

1090
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 1: biggest games are at home, but that game. Early in

1091
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: the year, they start with Middle Tennessee State, and then

1092
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 1: they have Army at home, so who knows, maybe Army

1093
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 1: can give them a scare. Then they have a buy

1094
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 1: the they're at Wisconsin, and then it's home against Rutgers,

1095
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: home against Iowa, at Illinois at Penn State is down,

1096
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 1: We'll get to them, then home against Notre Dame. But

1097
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 1: if they win that game at Wisconsin, and this new

1098
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 1: system is clicking, so there's a lot of change. This

1099
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:25,839
Speaker 1: ceiling is so high, I think when the game, because

1100
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 1: I think they could run the table I'm very high

1101
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 1: on Michigan, and it is scaring me with all the change,

1102
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 1: but I think they finally might have this offense as

1103
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: long as the receivers can step up. Your thoughts, I.

1104
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,800
Speaker 4: Gotta throw some cold water on all this, you know, listen,

1105
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 4: I agree. I like Michigan. It all looks good. I

1106
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,439
Speaker 4: love the hiring of offensive coordinator Josh Gattis. He comes

1107
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 4: in after a year at Alabama. Before that, he was

1108
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 4: attached to James Franklin with Penn State and Vanderbilt. He

1109
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 4: is highly respected in the world of offensive coordinators and

1110
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 4: this was a major git for Hawbaugh to come up

1111
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 4: and call the offense. You're right, it is a no

1112
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 4: huddle RPO that they're going to move to. But the

1113
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 4: good news for the offensive lineman is is still going

1114
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 4: to be zone blocking, so it's not going to be

1115
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 4: that much of a change for the offensive lineman. That's

1116
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 4: a good thing. If you want to take Michigan preseason,

1117
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 4: that's a good thing because they shouldn't have any problems

1118
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 4: coming out against Middle Tennessee State and having miss assignments

1119
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 4: on the offensive line. You know, it's the lineup in

1120
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,840
Speaker 4: the skill positions that are around Shay Patterson. They're going

1121
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 4: to have some wrinkles, there's gonna be a lot more motion.

1122
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 4: They're going to line up in different places. Like we said,

1123
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 4: there's not going to be a huddle here. Gattis called

1124
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:28,760
Speaker 4: this at media Days, he called it a mutt offense,

1125
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:30,800
Speaker 4: which means he says it's going to be a mixture

1126
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 4: of what he learned with Joe moorehead at Penn State

1127
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 4: and what Michigan did last year. So it's going to

1128
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 4: be a little mixture of both to come out. And

1129
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 4: you know, Michigan was twenty second in standard down's run

1130
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 4: rate and one hundred and twenty third pace, And I

1131
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 4: want to bring that point to light because that's how Michigan.

1132
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:48,799
Speaker 4: They'd almost never passed the ball on first down, never

1133
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 4: passed the ball on first down, never passed the ball

1134
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:53,399
Speaker 4: in second and close. That's all going to change this year.

1135
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 4: Those ratios are going to go away, and I think

1136
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:57,919
Speaker 4: you should look for an over. I mean, if they're

1137
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,399
Speaker 4: going to run no huddle RPO, then I think over

1138
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 4: is the way to go. What scares me about that though,

1139
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 4: as a gambler, I'm trying to poke holes in all

1140
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:07,720
Speaker 4: this Michigan love and if you want me to poke holes,

1141
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 4: I'll say, hey, wait, look, Army will limit the number

1142
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 4: of possessions. In Week two, Army did it to Oklahoma.

1143
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 4: They allowed them to have like eight possessions on the game.

1144
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 4: You have to score every single time when Army plays

1145
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:20,359
Speaker 4: a style that they do. If they're allowed to, you know,

1146
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 4: have four downs and get the first down every time,

1147
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,399
Speaker 4: then what happens if you know, you know, they only

1148
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 4: get seven or eight possessions and they only score on

1149
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 4: four of them. Does Harball come out right away and

1150
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 4: you know, take the offense back or does he want

1151
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 4: to sit in on the meetings and start changing the

1152
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 4: play calling or changing the way that they lined up.

1153
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 4: You have to remember there were three different minds that

1154
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 4: were coming up with the offensive plan last year and

1155
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 4: it just didn't work. But can Harbaugh keep his fingers

1156
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 4: this offensive play call? If Army is able to limit

1157
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 4: the number of possessions and Michigan doesn't have an efficient game,

1158
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 4: it could happen. The other thing that kind of scares

1159
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:54,359
Speaker 4: me about this, We mentioned that Josh Gatis came from

1160
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 4: James Franklin school of thought with the offensive coordinating you know,

1161
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 4: at Penn State's on the schedule. So anything Josh Gaddis

1162
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 4: is going to run James Franklin pretty much should have

1163
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 4: it sniffed out. So that's going to be a game

1164
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 4: on the schedule you got to watch, and you know,

1165
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,839
Speaker 4: will the no huddle increase the number of snaps per

1166
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 4: game and will pull the efficiency down on the defense?

1167
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 4: You hear that with Chip Kelly. Everywhere Chip Kelly's gone,

1168
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 4: he's increased the number of snaps. You know, whether it's

1169
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 4: his time in the NFL or he gets out to UCLA.

1170
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 4: When you increase the number of snaps. If the offense

1171
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 4: goes no huddle and runs this kind of offense, the

1172
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:29,319
Speaker 4: defense is the one that's out of shape and maybe

1173
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 4: not ready to play so fast. So you know, is

1174
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:37,320
Speaker 4: that going to have any effect on Michigan's stellar defensive splits?

1175
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 4: So if I was a gambler and I want to

1176
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 4: pot cracks into all this, that's where I would do it.

1177
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:45,280
Speaker 4: So I think what I'm saying is that I like Michigan,

1178
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 4: but I'm going to wait until they play Wisconsin on

1179
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:50,360
Speaker 4: the road because Michigan's big deal was always road games,

1180
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 4: and if they can go in and win at Wisconsin,

1181
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 4: then I will put just as much down during the

1182
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 4: middle of the season with a worse number. But if

1183
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 4: I'm convinced after that Wisconsin game that they can win

1184
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 4: at all, I will let the world know on September

1185
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 4: twenty second that I think this is a college football playoff,

1186
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:06,799
Speaker 4: and I will invest accordingly in regards.

1187
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 1: To that point with the Chip Kelly and the offense

1188
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:09,879
Speaker 1: and defense is a valid point. But I do still

1189
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 1: think that they're going to run it more than you

1190
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:14,439
Speaker 1: would see, you know, a Chip Kelly offense or these

1191
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 1: shotguns spread offenses. You know, it's a horrorball team. And

1192
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 1: watch this all my love for Michigan. Army is going

1193
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 1: to beat them, and bowdog gym is going to come

1194
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 1: back to haul me.

1195
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 4: Don't gamble, don't associate with gamblers.

1196
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 1: Avoid it like the plague. Let's check in with Bodog

1197
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 1: jim So. But look, if they win that game, that

1198
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 1: was and but I think that Army game they have

1199
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 1: a bye, will help if they survive, it will help

1200
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 1: against Wisconsin facing that Army rushing attack for Jonathan Taylor

1201
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 1: with a buye on the defensive side of the ball.

1202
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 1: And if they win that game Wisconson, we said, how

1203
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 1: great they've been at home. There were maining road games

1204
00:52:55,360 --> 00:53:00,080
Speaker 1: are Indiana, Penn State, Illinois, and Maryland. I mean that

1205
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:04,760
Speaker 1: is extremely favorable, but much more to come on Michigan

1206
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:07,320
Speaker 1: over the next month or so than throughout the season.

1207
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 1: And if you thought I loved Michigan, I think I

1208
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:12,839
Speaker 1: might run for mayor of Michigan. A couple years ago

1209
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 1: ran from mayor of Oklahoma. I love Michigan State too,

1210
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 1: and they're over runners eight wins. Kylein hasn't projected for

1211
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 1: seven point four. By the way, Colin, you project ten

1212
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 1: point one ish for Michigan, But I love Michigan State.

1213
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 1: Over eight is probably my favorite win total in the

1214
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 1: Big Ten. I think they're getting the ten wins. I said,

1215
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 1: death taxes and Michigan defense death taxes. D'Antonio bounce back years.

1216
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 1: Any time that he's lost seven or fewer games the

1217
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:44,800
Speaker 1: season following, he's won at least nine in every season,

1218
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 1: and the average in those four times ten point seven

1219
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 1: to five. The defense should be excellent, one of the

1220
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 1: best in the country. They bring back eight starters. They

1221
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:55,879
Speaker 1: were the number one rush defense in the country last year.

1222
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 1: The defense is going to be excellent. Also, all five

1223
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 1: starters back on the offensive line. That's huge. Lawuarkee back

1224
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 1: at quarterback and healthy. This team is seventeen starters back overall,

1225
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 1: the offensive line that is there, the coaching is there,

1226
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:13,359
Speaker 1: the quarterback play, and the defense. It has all the

1227
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 1: formula for a bounce back year for Michigan State. I

1228
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 1: don't see how they wouldn't win a minimum of eight games.

1229
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:22,399
Speaker 1: The schedule is tough, I will give you that, but look,

1230
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 1: I think the running game, which was atrocious last year,

1231
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:29,320
Speaker 1: could also take a step forward. Lookout for freshman Anthony Williams.

1232
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 2: You know.

1233
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:31,879
Speaker 1: They also don't have to go out west where they're

1234
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:35,359
Speaker 1: zero to thirteen west of Colorado all time. I think

1235
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:37,760
Speaker 1: they're going to that. They're going to get that revenge

1236
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 1: over Ohio State, that forty eight three loss. I love

1237
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: this Michigan State team. I don't think they win at Michigan,

1238
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:46,799
Speaker 1: which I think is the difference in the division. But

1239
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,439
Speaker 1: I love the over eight wins. You know, pour water

1240
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:50,320
Speaker 1: on me here too.

1241
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 4: No, I actually, I mean I can make a case

1242
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:55,359
Speaker 4: for the over, but to me, it comes to one

1243
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 4: central point on this team, and that is the offensive line. Listen,

1244
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:01,319
Speaker 4: they're a top ten defense in the nation. But they

1245
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 4: were a bottom ten offense last year, and that was

1246
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 4: because of the offensive line. Brian Lawurki couldn't stay healthy.

1247
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:09,919
Speaker 4: They had other kids coming in to play quarterback while

1248
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 4: he was trying to you know, while he was trying

1249
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 4: to just take the field. But this year, the offensive

1250
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:16,839
Speaker 4: line all returns. They lose only one lineman who had

1251
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 4: four starts for twenty eighteen. Other than that, everybody returns

1252
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 4: this offensive line last year. I hope they've been hitting

1253
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 4: the weights and they've been bulking up, because last year

1254
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:26,880
Speaker 4: they were one hundred and twenty second in rush efficiency

1255
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:29,240
Speaker 4: and they were ninety six and stuff. Right, they couldn't

1256
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 4: move anything. If the offensive line is clicking, they're easily

1257
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 4: going to go over their win total.

1258
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 3: You're right.

1259
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 4: They played Tulsa, They played Western Michigan to start off.

1260
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:38,919
Speaker 4: Shouldn't be a problem there. They play Arizona State, where

1261
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:40,920
Speaker 4: it won't be one hundred and fifteen degrees again, they'll

1262
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 4: be played up in the state of Michigan. So yeah,

1263
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 4: I agree. I like the overhear more than just you know,

1264
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 4: not playing at all. I would take a Spartans over. Okay,

1265
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 4: fair enough, let's move on to another team.

1266
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 1: That's finally in the discussion for a Big Ten championship,

1267
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 1: and I don't think so this year. And that's Penn State.

1268
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 1: They're over under is eight and a half. Colin, you

1269
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:02,840
Speaker 1: project seven point eight. I'm sorry. This is not a

1270
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 1: nine win team. There's a lot of question marks, and

1271
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 1: I think the name brand of Penn State is a

1272
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 1: little inflation here. I just don't see how they get

1273
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:14,359
Speaker 1: the nine wins. Obviously, mcsorley's gone one of the best

1274
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 1: quarterbacks of all time at Penn State. They also lost

1275
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 1: their backup, Tommy Stevens, who transferred to miss State. A

1276
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 1: lot of transfers from Penn State, which could be a

1277
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 1: red flag, So there's questions at quarterback, which is never

1278
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 1: a good thing. The defense should be solid, especially a linebackers.

1279
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 1: So the Penn State defense is going to be good,

1280
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 1: but they lost a ton overall. I'm not a fan

1281
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:34,319
Speaker 1: of the offensive coordinator. I said that when they lost

1282
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 1: Morehead it showed last year they do have an easy

1283
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 1: non conference But just just to me flat out, this

1284
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 1: is not a nine win team. So I like the

1285
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:45,399
Speaker 1: underalts on Penn State.

1286
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:47,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I completely agree with you. The defense is going

1287
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 4: to be loaded they're going to be fantastic again. You know,

1288
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:52,320
Speaker 4: there's a bed Arc piece on the Action Network. You

1289
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 4: guys should go check out. I've definitely got a bunch

1290
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 4: of Penn State players listened in there and some analysis

1291
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 4: on that. You know the offense is going to be

1292
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 4: run by Sean Clifford. Obviously, Shan Clifford is good enough

1293
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 4: to get Tommy Stevens to transfer down to MISSIITPI State

1294
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 4: and play for Joel Moorehead. I think you have to

1295
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 4: look at the Joe Moorehead effect. I went back. I

1296
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 4: started looking at Joe Moorehead's time at Penn State versus

1297
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 4: what happened at Penn State offensively last year.

1298
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 3: So in twenty seventeen, I know.

1299
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 4: That, you know, the Saquon Barkley and the Trace McSorley

1300
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 4: effect is in there. But the twenty seventeen offense was

1301
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 4: eighth in efficiency and ninth in io PPP twenty eighteen.

1302
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 4: Last year, same categories fifty sixth and fifty seventh. There

1303
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 4: was a massive drop drop off in efficiency, a massive

1304
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 4: drop off in explosiveness.

1305
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 1: It just looked off all year.

1306
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 4: They did absolutely they did, and it's not a team

1307
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 4: I'm playing over whatsoever. I completely agree with you. It's

1308
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 4: an underplay. I'm not taking them to win the division.

1309
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 4: And you know, I want to see more sample size

1310
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 4: of post Morehead. Just how you know who was really

1311
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 4: responsible for the greatness of those Penn State teams that

1312
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 4: went out to the Rose Bowl and played USC and

1313
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 4: Sam Darnold. Was it Joe Morehead? Was the Saquon Barkley?

1314
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 4: Was it Trace McSorley? Was it all three? I think

1315
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 4: we're still learning that maybe it was you know, more

1316
00:57:57,800 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 4: and more Head than the players more and morinied.

1317
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean to be fair, just not to pat

1318
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 1: themselves on the back. But whenever anyone says not to

1319
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:05,959
Speaker 1: pat myself on the back, they're going to pat themselves

1320
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 1: in the back, which I will do.

1321
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 4: Now.

1322
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 1: We said that last year, we said the loss of

1323
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 1: Morehead would be big, and I think it's going to

1324
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 1: carry over to this year. Here's another team in the

1325
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 1: Big ten that there's a big discrepancy in the wind

1326
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 1: total that's out there and your projections. You have Maryland

1327
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 1: projected a five point three wins and the over Rutterers

1328
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 1: three and a half at West Eate, I mean over

1329
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 1: three and a half minus one fifty if you want

1330
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 1: to play the over. They have a new coach in there,

1331
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 1: they have new coordinators, so there's a lot of change.

1332
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 1: They should have a solid rushing attack once again led

1333
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 1: by Anthony McFarland. They only have three starters back on

1334
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 1: D but maybe that's a good thing. The D was

1335
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 1: not good last year. Virginia Tech transfer quarterback Joshua Jackson

1336
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 1: should take over the reins under center. They only have

1337
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 1: ten starters returning overall. But I don't really have a

1338
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 1: great feel on this Maryland team or the win total.

1339
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 1: But it sounds like you like d over here. But

1340
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 1: are you staying away with all the coaching changes.

1341
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:01,160
Speaker 4: No, I actually haven't on the over, but I got

1342
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 4: it earlier, you know, at a better number. But I

1343
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 4: still would suggest taking it. I mean, look at the schedule. Howard,

1344
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 4: Temple and Rutgers. I mean that should be three wins

1345
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 4: right there after that. Indiana and Purdue are pretty much

1346
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 4: coin flips. We've talked about them. They have two great

1347
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 4: scheduling spots this year, which is Syracuse. They play Syracuse

1348
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 4: the week before the Orange play Clemson, so it's a

1349
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 4: great look at spot for Syracuse for Maryland to catch them.

1350
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 4: Same thing we mentioned earlier on the podcast. They're going

1351
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 4: to play Nebraska at home in a sandwich game that's

1352
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 4: between Wisconsin and Iowa. That's the weekend before Thanksgiving. Sandwiches, sandwiches, sandwiches, sandwiches.

1353
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 4: I can't imagine Nebraska is going to be too focused

1354
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 4: in there, especially if they're not in contentionent for the

1355
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 4: West at that point. But I mean there's just spots

1356
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 4: on this schedule. I like Josh Jackson transferring in from

1357
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 4: Virginia Tech to see if I can say this, it's

1358
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 4: been two years since he transferred in. But Max Borton

1359
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 4: Schloger is going to be back there. It's a real

1360
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 4: pigrim is going to come. We had problems with that

1361
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 4: he was out there Orgon, We had problems pronounced his name.

1362
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 4: But yeah, Borton, Borton Schlager's back. You know that we

1363
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 4: lost We lost a lot of money when he was

1364
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:11,439
Speaker 4: there for Orgon, when he when he came in to play.

1365
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:14,760
Speaker 3: So he was bad, he was bad.

1366
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:17,880
Speaker 1: Any of this Maryland love on Bordon Schlager.

1367
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 4: No, not Borton Schlager, McFarlane. I mean, there were number

1368
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 4: the number three rushing attack last year. There they this

1369
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:26,959
Speaker 4: is this is Maryland's problem. It's the same problem every year.

1370
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 4: They're highly explosive on offense and they're good at defending

1371
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 4: explosiveness on defense, but they're terrible in efficiency both sides

1372
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:36,040
Speaker 4: of the ball. I mean, there's so much three and

1373
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:38,440
Speaker 4: out going on on both sides of the ball. Somebody's

1374
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 4: got to come in. Maybe Locksley can do it. You know,

1375
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:43,440
Speaker 4: Losley comes in after being the offensive coordinator at Alabama.

1376
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:45,880
Speaker 4: Maybe he can come in and find some balance because

1377
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:48,959
Speaker 4: all Maryland is is just one explosive play and three

1378
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 4: and out after another.

1379
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 3: That's all that they've ever been.

1380
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:54,120
Speaker 1: But don't sleep on Howard. Baby. He was in the

1381
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 1: NFL that went to Howard. They won at UNLV a

1382
01:00:58,200 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 1: couple of years ago.

1383
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 3: Cam Newton's kyl NERO. Is he still there?

1384
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1385
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:05,000
Speaker 1: Kayln Newton's the quarterback who's still there?

1386
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:05,920
Speaker 3: Is he still there?

1387
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 1: Absolutely? So, Kaylin Newton. They're gonna be pretty good this year.

1388
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 1: They could make I mean, they had a great offense

1389
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:14,080
Speaker 1: last year. They were top twenty in FCS. They average

1390
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 1: then close to thirty five points per game. Now, their

1391
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 1: defense was awful. They gave up close to thirty five

1392
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 1: in FCS, so that game could be a shootout, by

1393
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:25,200
Speaker 1: the way, but they you know, they could potentially be

1394
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 1: in the MIAC race in the FCS. Sorry, I won't

1395
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:29,160
Speaker 1: go too much into it. Yea, Kayln Newton still there.

1396
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:30,920
Speaker 1: I believe maybe someone is correctly.

1397
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:32,840
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna worry about it, though, because Maryland's good

1398
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:35,120
Speaker 4: at stopping explosive runs and they'll be able to stop

1399
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:36,920
Speaker 4: you know, a little baby Newton all day.

1400
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:39,440
Speaker 1: As the receiver look out for him too. Well. I

1401
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 1: we'll have much more on that anyway, before we get

1402
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 1: the Butckers in the basement, we do have to cover Indiana.

1403
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 1: Win total is six and a half over six and

1404
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:51,560
Speaker 1: a half West Gates plus one ten Colin you project

1405
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 1: seven wins. Here's the thing with Indiana. They finished five

1406
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:56,760
Speaker 1: and seven each of the past two years and just

1407
01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:59,440
Speaker 1: missed a bowl in the same exact fashion. They lost

1408
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:01,680
Speaker 1: to Purdue in the final game of the year. They

1409
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:03,200
Speaker 1: play Perdue in the final game of the year again

1410
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:05,880
Speaker 1: this year. Now here's the thing. I think Indiana's going

1411
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 1: to go bowling this year. But my prediction is they're

1412
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:12,600
Speaker 1: gonna have six wins at that game and the win

1413
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 1: total is going to be decided in that Purdue game,

1414
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:17,080
Speaker 1: so it's not bold this year. So I don't want

1415
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 1: anything to do with Indiana because if you like them over,

1416
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 1: then just bet them at Purdue as a dog. So,

1417
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 1: but the question is I think they're gonna get the

1418
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:28,120
Speaker 1: six wins. The win total looks about right to me.

1419
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:31,040
Speaker 1: They have a quarterback competition going on, the defense should

1420
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 1: be better, new offensive coordinator in there, Dubar from Fresno.

1421
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:38,919
Speaker 1: I think the question is can Allen, their head coach,

1422
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:42,200
Speaker 1: finally get a big upset. They've been close, and they

1423
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:44,920
Speaker 1: beat the teams that they should beat, but they haven't

1424
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:46,880
Speaker 1: really been able to secure an upset. And I think that,

1425
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 1: you know, if they want to get to the win total,

1426
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 1: they need to win three of the following at Maryland,

1427
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:57,000
Speaker 1: at Nebraska, Northwestern at home. I say they win that.

1428
01:02:57,440 --> 01:03:00,240
Speaker 1: At Penn State, I don't think they win that, maybe

1429
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:03,440
Speaker 1: Michigan at home. Don't think so. And at Purdue so again,

1430
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:08,480
Speaker 1: they probably could win Northwestern, maybe at Maryland, and then

1431
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:11,480
Speaker 1: if so, comes down to at Purdue. So I want

1432
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:13,440
Speaker 1: no part of this win total because you know, I

1433
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:14,800
Speaker 1: think it just comes down to that last game of

1434
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:16,880
Speaker 1: the year and they'll have major revenge and really want

1435
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:19,760
Speaker 1: that game. But they'll also I think, be Humbo eligible

1436
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 1: the week before. What are your thoughts on the Hoosiers.

1437
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:24,280
Speaker 4: Both teams from the state of Indiana are probably going

1438
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:25,840
Speaker 4: to have their win total to decide in that last

1439
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:28,160
Speaker 4: game of the season between you know, in Indiana goes

1440
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:30,919
Speaker 4: to play Purdue. This is a team I know mathematically

1441
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:34,760
Speaker 4: that I come in at seven flat and the total

1442
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:36,320
Speaker 4: right now is six with a lot of juice on

1443
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:40,680
Speaker 4: the over. But listen, they got points for returning production,

1444
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:43,040
Speaker 4: but how good is your returning production? Peyton Ramsey comes

1445
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:45,240
Speaker 4: back at quarterback. He had a sixteen to thirteen TV

1446
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:46,960
Speaker 4: to I int ratio last year.

1447
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:48,880
Speaker 3: He's not a really good quarterback.

1448
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:50,840
Speaker 4: I don't even think he's in the top nine, top ten.

1449
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:52,960
Speaker 4: I don't know how many quarterbacks are ahead of him.

1450
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:56,320
Speaker 4: But he's just not very efficient. He's definitely not explosive.

1451
01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:59,080
Speaker 4: You know, they were thirteenth in completion percentage but one

1452
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:02,440
Speaker 4: hundred and twenty six past explosiveness. So that really kind

1453
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:05,120
Speaker 4: of sums up the Peyton Ramsey era at Indiana, and

1454
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:07,400
Speaker 4: Tom Allen just does seem like things are getting any better.

1455
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:09,800
Speaker 4: I mean, this is the guy that was the defensive

1456
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:12,560
Speaker 4: coordinator when Kevin Wilson was there. Kevin Wilson got fired,

1457
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 4: mo'vedone to Ohio State. Tom Wilson ascended to the head

1458
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:17,360
Speaker 4: coaching position, but he's still in charge of the defense.

1459
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:20,040
Speaker 4: And that defense last year was ninety fifth and finishing

1460
01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:22,400
Speaker 4: drives and eighty seventh and havoc. So they're going to

1461
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:24,080
Speaker 4: allow you to march it down the field and score

1462
01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 4: points and they're never going to make you fumble or

1463
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:27,960
Speaker 4: have an I int. So their head coach is a

1464
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:30,919
Speaker 4: defensive minded guy. They're not playing really good defense. They're

1465
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:33,560
Speaker 4: getting points, you know, they're getting upticks and they're power

1466
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:37,520
Speaker 4: rating for returning production. Yet their quarterback isn't very efficient whatsoever,

1467
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:39,880
Speaker 4: and he's not explosive. So don't I don't like this

1468
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:43,040
Speaker 4: Indiana team whatsoever. But then again, like I said, stay away,

1469
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:46,360
Speaker 4: that Purdue Indiana game is going to decide you know,

1470
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:48,360
Speaker 4: who reaches over their win total.

1471
01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:51,080
Speaker 1: Agreed? All right, So before we close with our favorite

1472
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:54,240
Speaker 1: win totals in the Big Ten and predictions for who's

1473
01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 1: getting to the Big to Indianapoli's the Big Ten championship,

1474
01:04:57,480 --> 01:05:00,000
Speaker 1: we have to finish with Rutgers. We didn't forget about you.

1475
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:06,320
Speaker 1: Rutgers and Piscataway over under three wins over three minus

1476
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:08,920
Speaker 1: one twenty. So there's some love in the market. This

1477
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 1: has risen this win total. There's a QB competition from

1478
01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:15,480
Speaker 1: the kid I forget his name, what was it. Staikowski

1479
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:19,200
Speaker 1: last year was the starter and McLean Carter the transfer

1480
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:23,960
Speaker 1: in from Texas Tech. Saikowski the two touchdowns and seventy

1481
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 1: picks last year.

1482
01:05:25,120 --> 01:05:29,120
Speaker 4: I mean he was just fourteen and eighteen interceptions.

1483
01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:32,960
Speaker 1: I mean their offense was dreadful. I mean it was

1484
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:36,800
Speaker 1: the worst offense in all of college football. It could

1485
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:40,520
Speaker 1: be again this year and them and Rice of Rice's

1486
01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:44,080
Speaker 1: offense is maybe worse, so, I mean, but the Ape

1487
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:47,040
Speaker 1: really get any worse. I think McLean Carter should get

1488
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:49,280
Speaker 1: the nod there. I don't know how that quarterback battle

1489
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:51,920
Speaker 1: is going, but I think this the win total is

1490
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:55,880
Speaker 1: pretty spot on. I mean, they should beat UMass at home.

1491
01:05:56,120 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 1: I think then they should beat Liberty and maybe Maryland

1492
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:05,120
Speaker 1: at home in a good spot to get the three.

1493
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:08,280
Speaker 1: Maybe they pull another upset, but I think three is

1494
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:12,440
Speaker 1: about right. Thoughts on Buckers, Yeah, take the under three. Everybody,

1495
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:14,400
Speaker 1: let's have some fun with this. Ashley gonna be heading

1496
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:17,440
Speaker 1: out the door. Uh, they're gonna need that win against Liberty.

1497
01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:19,200
Speaker 1: That is not gonna happen.

1498
01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:21,680
Speaker 4: Liberty by the time Hugh Freeze gets that deep end

1499
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:24,520
Speaker 4: of the season in late October that you know, Buckshot

1500
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:26,840
Speaker 4: Calvert or whoever transfer they've had to come in there,

1501
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:30,840
Speaker 4: they're gonna be rolling. There is a proven history and

1502
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:32,560
Speaker 4: we'll get to this on the Group of Five podcasts.

1503
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:34,560
Speaker 4: There is a proven history of what Hugh Freeze can

1504
01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:36,680
Speaker 4: do in his first year to put it at a university,

1505
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:39,360
Speaker 4: whether it's old mister Arkansas State, that's the game the

1506
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:41,680
Speaker 4: Ruggers has to have just to get to three wins.

1507
01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:43,480
Speaker 3: They're not gonna get it. Take the under three.

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01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:47,120
Speaker 4: We'll all have that cash by the time November rules around.

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01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:49,120
Speaker 1: Well what do you project that line to be? So

1510
01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:50,400
Speaker 1: why not just bet Liberty?

1511
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:51,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, you could bet at that week.

1512
01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:53,800
Speaker 4: Let me go ahe and look and see what my

1513
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 4: my projection is for that.

1514
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:57,320
Speaker 1: It obviously could change because you know, Rutgers could have

1515
01:06:58,000 --> 01:06:59,920
Speaker 1: one of their who knows who's going to be quarterbacking

1516
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:02,440
Speaker 1: their office is better, and who knows how good Liberty

1517
01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:03,120
Speaker 1: is going to be.

1518
01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:06,240
Speaker 4: I've got the game at Rutgers minus one at home

1519
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:09,000
Speaker 4: minus one, so on a neutral field. So you know,

1520
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:11,120
Speaker 4: I think S and P plus has that at four.

1521
01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:14,120
Speaker 4: And if you like to follow FPI, which you know

1522
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:16,920
Speaker 4: could be could be fun, they have it at eleven.

1523
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:19,680
Speaker 4: But no, I'll stick to my guns here. Rutgers minus

1524
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:21,560
Speaker 4: one against Liberty, and I think Liberty wins that game.

1525
01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:23,960
Speaker 4: People just don't understand that once Hugh Freese gets rolling there,

1526
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:25,760
Speaker 4: he's you know, and Chris ashe is going to be

1527
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:27,520
Speaker 4: thinking about where his next position is going to be

1528
01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:29,520
Speaker 4: by this time of the season. So I think under

1529
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:31,800
Speaker 4: is the way to go on Rutgers, I.

1530
01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:33,400
Speaker 1: Should give you an assignment. By the way, I know

1531
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:35,919
Speaker 1: we've done some work on back to back to back

1532
01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:39,000
Speaker 1: road games in college football in the past. Liberty has

1533
01:07:39,080 --> 01:07:42,320
Speaker 1: four straight road games on their schedule, starting with at

1534
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:44,360
Speaker 1: Rutgers and then they go at U.

1535
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:44,800
Speaker 3: Mass.

1536
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:47,640
Speaker 1: So they're going to go up ninety five to U

1537
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:51,240
Speaker 1: Mass to Amherst and then they're at BYU, so they're

1538
01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:53,320
Speaker 1: going to go out west. They do it a bye,

1539
01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:55,240
Speaker 1: but then they're at Virginia, which obviously is in the

1540
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:58,360
Speaker 1: same state. But that's four road games in a row.

1541
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:02,080
Speaker 1: But that at BYU that could be brutal. I can't

1542
01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:03,760
Speaker 1: wait to talk some Liberty and their win total. By

1543
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:06,120
Speaker 1: the way, they have New Mexico State on the schedule

1544
01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:09,480
Speaker 1: again twice. They have New Mexico, they play Hampton. It's

1545
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:10,440
Speaker 1: some great schedule.

1546
01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:12,120
Speaker 3: Look at this lead up up to Rutgers.

1547
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:15,400
Speaker 4: Right, let me just further accentuate the fact that Rutgers

1548
01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:17,760
Speaker 4: is not gonna get to three wins because Liberty is

1549
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:21,000
Speaker 4: gonna beat them. Liberty leading up to Rutgers. Here's their schedule.

1550
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:24,680
Speaker 4: You're ready, Hampton, New Mexico at home, out to New

1551
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:26,960
Speaker 4: Mexico State for the first of what will be they'll

1552
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:27,960
Speaker 4: be their third game in the.

1553
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:30,120
Speaker 3: Last two years. Then bye.

1554
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:34,240
Speaker 4: Then Maine, the Black Bears of Maine. I mean this schedule, Hampton, Maine,

1555
01:08:34,280 --> 01:08:36,400
Speaker 4: New Mexico, New Mexico State, and then you get to

1556
01:08:36,400 --> 01:08:38,960
Speaker 4: go to Rutgers. They're gonna win that game. We don't

1557
01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:40,120
Speaker 4: have enough time for all this, but.

1558
01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:42,519
Speaker 1: And I don't like the disrespect of Maine. Could be

1559
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:45,479
Speaker 1: back in the playoff, but we'll get there, all right.

1560
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:48,400
Speaker 1: So before we close out here, let's just go through

1561
01:08:49,360 --> 01:08:51,759
Speaker 1: Dame a couple of our win total, our favorite wind totals,

1562
01:08:52,120 --> 01:08:55,439
Speaker 1: and then also give our predictions for the Big Ten

1563
01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:57,680
Speaker 1: Championship preliminary and they could change in a month from now.

1564
01:08:57,680 --> 01:08:59,840
Speaker 1: We'll give our final ones on our recap at the

1565
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:03,160
Speaker 1: So I'll start my favorite win totals Penn State under

1566
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:07,320
Speaker 1: eight and a half, Michigan State over eight, Ohio State

1567
01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:18,640
Speaker 1: under ten, Minnesota over seven and a half. I think Illinois, Nebraska, Illinois, Nebraska, Rutgers, Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin.

1568
01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:22,320
Speaker 1: They're a pretty spot on, although I might I did

1569
01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:24,759
Speaker 1: invest in Michigan, but I think that the actual numbers

1570
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:29,639
Speaker 1: because of the juice Iowa, Maryland, Northwestern, and Purdue seem

1571
01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:32,439
Speaker 1: a little tad high to me. But I won't be

1572
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:35,120
Speaker 1: getting involved in my prediction for the Big Ten Championship,

1573
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:38,400
Speaker 1: even though I probably already give it away. Michigan Minnesota

1574
01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:40,680
Speaker 1: two teams who have never been to the Big Ten

1575
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:43,080
Speaker 1: Championship game. So how about you favorite win totals in

1576
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:43,559
Speaker 1: your prediction.

1577
01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:46,040
Speaker 4: Well, I would love to join you in that, but

1578
01:09:46,360 --> 01:09:49,080
Speaker 4: like I said before, Minnesota that I just worry about

1579
01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:51,439
Speaker 4: the actual talent level they have on defense to be

1580
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:53,400
Speaker 4: able to win the division. So to get started, I'm

1581
01:09:53,400 --> 01:09:55,680
Speaker 4: going to go I've already placed money. I bet I'm

1582
01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:57,040
Speaker 4: going to echo a lot of what you got, but

1583
01:09:57,120 --> 01:09:59,720
Speaker 4: I have live money, plenty of live money down on

1584
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,640
Speaker 4: Nebraska under eight and a half and under it.

1585
01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:03,160
Speaker 3: At plus money.

1586
01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:05,640
Speaker 4: I have the same thing with Ohio State, lots on

1587
01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:08,479
Speaker 4: under ten and a half, lots on under ten. I

1588
01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:11,320
Speaker 4: have money on Illinois over. So I like the over four.

1589
01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:13,639
Speaker 4: If you can get that, try to find the lowest

1590
01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:17,080
Speaker 4: juice possible. I have Maryland on the over four and

1591
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:20,360
Speaker 4: Stucky and I have. I do not have money as

1592
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:23,000
Speaker 4: Stucky and I have. Saturday had this podcast on Michigan State,

1593
01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:24,959
Speaker 4: but I am going to look for the best available

1594
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:27,760
Speaker 4: number on the seven and a half and I'm gonna

1595
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:29,719
Speaker 4: pick that off and I'll be over on the Spartans

1596
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:33,479
Speaker 4: this year. After that, I'm gonna stick with. I would

1597
01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:35,040
Speaker 4: like to take it under on Penn State. Haven't got

1598
01:10:35,080 --> 01:10:36,519
Speaker 4: any money on that yet, but it's the way that

1599
01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:38,880
Speaker 4: I'm looking and I might. Like Stuck said, if we

1600
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:41,040
Speaker 4: can get a nine, set our alarms we can get

1601
01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:44,439
Speaker 4: a nine, I'll definitely take it under there. My prediction, though,

1602
01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:47,880
Speaker 4: is gonna be Wisconsin and Michigan in the Big Ten championship,

1603
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:51,120
Speaker 4: and I think it's gonna be exciting. I do love Minnesota,

1604
01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:53,200
Speaker 4: I do love Debrasa. Next year is Nebraska's year, not

1605
01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:53,639
Speaker 4: this year.

1606
01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:56,679
Speaker 1: There you have it, and again we're gonna I'm gonna

1607
01:10:56,680 --> 01:10:58,639
Speaker 1: get back to Maine an insert clip of the main

1608
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:05,800
Speaker 1: guy yelling Maine than the Black Bears. They bring back

1609
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:08,479
Speaker 1: almost everyone. They're a top ten team. Liberty better watch

1610
01:11:08,479 --> 01:11:10,840
Speaker 1: out for the black Hole Defense. But we hope you

1611
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:14,439
Speaker 1: enjoyed listening to the Big Ten preview. We'll have much

1612
01:11:14,479 --> 01:11:17,679
Speaker 1: more on the Big Ten, and we'll recap and update

1613
01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:22,559
Speaker 1: our thoughts on the recap episode. Thanks to Ari Wasserman

1614
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:25,280
Speaker 1: of The Athletic for joining us, Thanks as always Colin

1615
01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:28,479
Speaker 1: for joining me uh, and we will catch y'all for

1616
01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:31,719
Speaker 1: the next Power five Conference preview later in the week.

1617
01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:33,960
Speaker 1: Thanks for listening for cheers, peace out,