1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 3 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 1: today's best minds, and Jade Van says bob Leo should 4 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: stick to matters of morality. We have said a great 5 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: show for you today. New York's twelfth Congressional district candidate 6 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 1: George Conway steps by to talk about Trump's feudal attempts 7 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: to keep his coalition together. Then we'll talk to the 8 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 1: writings Howard Polskin about the splintering of the Maga movement 9 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:38,599 Speaker 1: as they turn on President Trump, but versus the news Somali. 10 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 2: Last we talked, it was looking like Congress was going 11 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 2: to expel four members. We now have two members that 12 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:48,879 Speaker 2: are leaving their seats, Eric Swowell and Tony Gonzalez will 13 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 2: be retiring. 14 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 3: What do you see in here? 15 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: You know Eric Swalwell, I have been friends with him, 16 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: I have had him on my podcast. I am horrified. 17 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: I am horrified. These are not anything. And you know, 18 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 1: I'm very friendly with his wife, who is just a 19 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: really wonderful person and who is really going through it 20 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 1: right now. And so I just want to say that 21 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: it's just so incredibly crappy when powerful men do terrible things, 22 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: so we don't know the extent of it. There was 23 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: a woman who came forward today who alleged to some 24 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 1: really terrible stuff, including rape and you know, really attempted murder. 25 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 1: I mean, if these allegations are true, it's pretty terrible. 26 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: So and we know there are more women, and we 27 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:42,119 Speaker 1: know this is just going to be a fire hose. 28 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 1: So look, I am so pleased that he resigned right away. 29 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: I know that he may have done that, that this 30 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: may have been a sort of brokeer deal to get 31 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 1: both to get rid of both him and Gonzales in 32 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: the same suite. And I know that when they resign 33 00:01:58,000 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: like this it means they get to keep their pension, 34 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: and if they get expelled, they don't. So this is 35 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: not happening just out of the goodness of anyone's heart. 36 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: But I'm really proud that Democrats are knowing that this 37 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 1: is the right thing and are not trying to be 38 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 1: like just because Trump. Because Trump is a genuinely bad 39 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: person who is at least alleged and adjudicated at least 40 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: to the civil court as having done some really terrible 41 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: sexual stuff. But I'm really happy to see that Democrats 42 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 1: are not trying to have a race to the bottom 43 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 1: with Trump, and they're just able to let this candidate go. 44 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: So look, I think everyone is very disappointed in the 45 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 1: person who Erex wall Will turned out to be. I 46 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: do want to say that he has these children, and 47 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: I hope that things work out for his wife and 48 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 1: that she ends up being okay, because it's really none 49 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 1: of her fault. And you know, we see so often 50 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 1: that there are women who are married to men who 51 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: turn out to be not what they thought, and so 52 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: I think think the most feminist thing any of us 53 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:05,519 Speaker 1: can do here is just support her and her children 54 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:08,359 Speaker 1: and all of that. So I'm really glad to get 55 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 1: to talk about this, and I'm glad Democrats are taking 56 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 1: this very seriously. 57 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 2: So it interesting news. Virginia has joined the effort to 58 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 2: ensure that whoever wins the popular vote becomes president. And 59 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 2: since more we keep hearing about that woke centrist Abigail Spenberger, 60 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 2: and so this is. 61 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 1: Like a great thing. And we've done a lot on this, 62 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: by the way, we've done a lot on this national 63 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: popular vote. So the idea is, if you win the 64 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: popular vote, you win the presidency. There are any number 65 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: of reasons why this should happen, but the biggest is 66 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 1: that it's a democracy and if the person who wins 67 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: the most vote should win, and it means that everybody's 68 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: vote counts, right. It means that just because you live 69 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: in California, it doesn't mean your vote gets thrown out. 70 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: Just because you live in a state with a lot 71 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: of people a lot of Democrats, doesn't mean your vote 72 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: gets kicked out. And it also means that our elections 73 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: are not decided by West Virginia or by a state 74 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: that's not very populous. I think ultimately it's better for 75 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: everyone to have a vote like this, to have it 76 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: work like this. So it's very cool. It's very cool. Again, 77 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: Republicans are really angry at Abigail Spamberger for many different reasons, 78 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: all of which are completely about you know, she's effective, 79 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 1: and that is making them completely crazy. I mean, it's 80 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 1: a real lesson that you cannot make these people happy 81 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 1: and you just have to do what is the smart thing. 82 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: And a national vote that is by popular vote as 83 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:41,479 Speaker 1: opposed to an electoral college is just pen and should 84 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: there's a better way to do voting. 85 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I've been having a thought that I was 86 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 2: curious what you thought about. When we get excited about 87 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 2: people like Pam Bondy getting fired, we like it because 88 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 2: it's a wounded the armor of the Trump administration. One 89 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 2: of the things that keeps striking me is the people 90 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:02,160 Speaker 2: who consistently replace people in the Trump administration, usually as 91 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 2: a step down. And Todd Blanche with this quote that 92 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 2: Americans should be happy Trump is deeply involved in the 93 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 2: DJ is striking me as even below Pam BONDI. 94 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: Look Todd Blanch Justice, Janine Box of Wine Perro, and 95 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: all sorts of others. We see a lot of these 96 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: really sort of craven characters from season one of Trump 97 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 1: Messes Up Our Democracy are now all competing to be 98 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: the head of the DOJ. A few thoughts here, One 99 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: is Todd Blanche has been the most pathetic. He has 100 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: done these like I love you, mister Trump, and even 101 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 1: if you don't pick me, I will still love you. 102 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: So he gave this interview to NBC News where he 103 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: said that he's not concerned that Trump encourages or directs 104 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 1: or expects the Department of Justice to do its job. 105 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:54,279 Speaker 1: Donald Trump, in fact orders them to pursue his enemies. 106 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: This is like exactly what the Department of Justice is 107 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 1: not supposed to be doing, is pursuing Donald Trump's enemies. 108 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: It's just such a stupid I mean, look, it's absolutely stupid. 109 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: It's also just not how it's supposed to work. And again, 110 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 1: you know, we talk so much on this podcast about 111 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 1: what norms look like, and what Donald Trump has done 112 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 1: here is he's coreemed through yet another democratic norm created 113 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: a just a very stupid reality where you have a 114 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 1: DJ that's just completely weaponized. It's basically an arm of 115 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 1: Donald Trump's campaign. And again it's someday when these guys 116 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: lose by huge margins, we're going to have to fix 117 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: this shit and it's not going to be easy. Yeah. 118 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:44,600 Speaker 2: I just hope there's no karaoke machine in the White 119 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:46,679 Speaker 2: House because I could really see him doing a version 120 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 2: of what e Houston's I Will Always Love You. 121 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:49,720 Speaker 3: That really brings us to. 122 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 2: Tears, tears of rage. Yes, yes, Okay, So this is 123 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 2: an interesting trend. So one of the things Democrats are 124 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:00,040 Speaker 2: thinking about to get people out to vote. Just to this, 125 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 2: abortion has helped marijuana legislation in the past. One of 126 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 2: the TRENDSFER started to see is that data centers are 127 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 2: really working. 128 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: So we see a miss really hate data. 129 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, we see a Missouri town fire half the city 130 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 2: council over a data center deal. Wisconsin two weeks ago 131 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 2: passed the nation's first anti data center referendum, and a 132 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 2: lot of people are starting to see that this is 133 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 2: a trend. The working families parties recruiting anti data center 134 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 2: candidates pretty interesting. 135 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: Yes, sign me up for anti data center candidates. I 136 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: hate data centers. They are the fucking murders. And look, 137 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 1: when I went to Arizona earlier this month, I saw 138 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: that there were Arizona basically voters have been in war 139 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: with their data centers, Like they have tax incentives for 140 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: data centers, like the Republican electeds have really made life 141 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: as good as possible for data centers in a completely 142 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 1: stupid way. So look, this is a good issue. And like, 143 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: here's the thing about data centers. Yes, they are construction 144 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: jobs to build them, but once they're built, it's not 145 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: a lot of jobs jobs to keep them running. So 146 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: you know, instead of building like a school or a 147 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: hospital or a something that someone could work in, there 148 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: aren't that many jobs and there aren't that many benefits. 149 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 1: Uses a lot of electricity. Sometimes people who are neighbors 150 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: end up having to pay for that electricity. They also 151 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:30,239 Speaker 1: use a ton of water. So in a place like Arizona, 152 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: it doesn't work. The math does a math. So you 153 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 1: have a place like Arizona with like a very you know, 154 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: they're in the middle of this hundred year flood, and 155 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:41,839 Speaker 1: the data center, you know, they're building data centers, which 156 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: they're going to use their water. So this is all 157 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: to say that being anti data center is good. And 158 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: by the way, the way we build data centers and 159 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 1: by the way, they're shumongous too, they take up acres 160 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 1: and acres and acres. There are ways to build them 161 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 1: where they're greener. I mean, I don't like them any 162 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:59,719 Speaker 1: which way, but like I think that making sure they 163 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:02,679 Speaker 1: have our own power sources that you don't end up 164 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: paying for their power, Like this is the kind of 165 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: stuff that we need to be thoughtful about. I mean, 166 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:12,679 Speaker 1: so much of American building is sort of like troubleshooting 167 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: problems after they've already happened, And it just makes me 168 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:18,839 Speaker 1: really upset that we can't. This is like a really 169 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 1: good issue. People hate it. A great example here is 170 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:25,359 Speaker 1: in this city of twelve thousand people along the Mississippi. 171 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 1: It's an hour half hour south of Saint Louis. They 172 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 1: have such a backlash against data centers, which, by the way, 173 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 1: are like are going to put everybody out of jobs 174 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 1: that they have people just like running on an anti 175 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 1: data center platform. That's I think quite cool. So it 176 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 1: is a dystopia, but it's a dystopia with a little 177 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: bit of human pushback, and we like that. 178 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:51,839 Speaker 3: Eddington was a documentary. 179 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: Eddington was a George Conway is a candidate in the 180 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: Democratic I'm married from New York's twelfth congressional district. 181 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 4: George Conway, Molly Chong fast Ah. Fancy meeting you here. 182 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 3: In a box. 183 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: I am in a little MSNBC BOMs. I want to no, 184 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: I live here. 185 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 2: Now. 186 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 1: I want to ask you a question, George Conway. I 187 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 1: want to start by talking about Donald Trump versus the Pope. 188 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 1: So the Pope says piece is good. Donald Trump basically 189 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: gets offended because he's like, how dare you say peace 190 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:41,719 Speaker 1: is good? That is obviously an insult to me. And 191 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 1: then Donald Trump basically goes two me more with the Pope. 192 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it's surprising that the ostensible winner or 193 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 4: the person who would award himself the Nobel Peace Prize, 194 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 4: would criticize Hope for advocating peace. I just want to 195 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 4: let that irony sit there for a moment. And that's 196 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:09,679 Speaker 4: one of the many ironies. 197 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: That was a brand he was experimenting with earlier in 198 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 1: his presidency. 199 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 4: So we're no longer the President of peace. We've decided 200 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 4: to become the president I will annihilate all civilizations. Yeah, 201 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 4: all makes very sense, very much sense. Yeah, it makes 202 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:26,560 Speaker 4: a lot of sense. 203 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 3: You know. 204 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 1: I think the FIFA people are gonna want that Peace 205 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: Prize back, the soccer Peace Prize. Yeah, they made up 206 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 1: for him. 207 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,559 Speaker 4: Yeah, I would get I would ask for that back, yes, yes, 208 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:40,439 Speaker 4: and then he will he will tweet it them. 209 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: He will go to war with FIFA. 210 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's hard. Going to war is hard because 211 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 4: they're in like every country, So you have to basically 212 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 4: declare war against the entire world and boom all their 213 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 4: soccer stadiums. I don't know if that's feasible. 214 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think you should give him any ideas. 215 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 4: So, yes, I'm not in charge of giving Donalds frump ideas. 216 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 4: That's that's not my I agree. 217 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 1: So you are actually a real Catholic. You are, Yes, 218 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 1: you're a real Catholic. 219 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 3: We've you grew up. 220 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I'm you know, I'm baptized the Catholic 221 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 4: confirmed a Catholic, you know, am I am I the 222 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 4: Pope by no means, but you have. 223 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: No But you have a serious relationship to the Catholic Church, Moores. 224 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 1: And I'd love you to talk about. 225 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 4: A little above average. I don't know, I don't want to overstand. 226 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 1: But you grew up in the Catholic Church. 227 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 4: That's fair. Yes, yeah, one of your Catholic school and 228 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 4: the nun pulled my tooth out once. That's you know, 229 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 4: that's kind of a rite of passage. I was explaining 230 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 4: about a toothache in first grade. 231 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, see, there you do. But anyway, the point of 232 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: this story is Donald Trump not really a Catholic. 233 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 4: Discuss discuss you know, he's not really a Christian of 234 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 4: any sport, because he is and represents and does everything 235 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 4: we tell our children not to do, to be selfish, 236 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 4: to have a lack of empathy, to hurt other people 237 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 4: without remorse, to steal, to lie, to rape. He's he's 238 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 4: a bad man. So it really isn't surprising that he 239 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 4: has a problem with the pope. He would have a 240 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 4: problem with Moses, with those ten rules, those silly rules 241 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 4: on the tablet, those rules are directed in him. It's 242 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 4: so unfair. 243 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 1: So JD. Vans is Catholic? Convert right? 244 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 3: Correct? Okay? 245 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:44,719 Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean he he has a book coming out 246 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:48,319 Speaker 1: about Catholicism. He has is that the book. 247 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 4: With the with the with like the Presbyterian Church on 248 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 4: the cover. 249 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: Yes, now, not super not a ton of attention to 250 00:13:56,160 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: detail here, But Jade Vans is also he's had a 251 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 1: pretty bad weekend like end of the week. He went 252 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 1: to Hungary to help Victor Bomb lose by a pretty 253 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 1: incredible margin, and then he went to Iran where he 254 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 1: was unable to do anything. Yes, he didn't go to Iran. 255 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: He went to Pakistani. 256 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 4: He went to Pakistans to negotiate with Uranians. But he's 257 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 4: negotiating basically with no cards because he has no cards 258 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 4: because Donald Trump threw them in a giant fire and 259 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 4: we have no cards left. Because basically, it used to 260 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 4: be once upon a time, the Uranians would comply with 261 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 4: some of our requests at great after a growing amount 262 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 4: of effort, because for example, we could bomb the shit 263 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 4: out of them. Yes, so we could bomb the shit 264 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 4: out we could post sanctions on him. So that's how 265 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 4: we ended up with their commitment in the JCPOA not 266 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 4: to enrich Uranian from tears that up, what's the sanctions 267 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 4: back in place? So if you're the Iranians, what you're thinking, well, 268 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 4: we're getting the sanctions anyway, so why not enage the uranium. 269 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 4: And so they do. And then the other thing that 270 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 4: they've never done is interfere with navigation in you know, 271 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 4: in the straits of Hormews. The world's oil. I mean 272 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 4: it was never in a twenty percent of yeah, and 273 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 4: it was. 274 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: The third of the world's fertilizer or fifth of the 275 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 1: world's fertilizer something. 276 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 4: It's bad, it's very bad. And they never did that 277 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 4: because they knew that, you know, we would bomb the 278 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 4: ship out of and they ever did that. And it's 279 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 4: not really in their interest because oil they don't they 280 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 4: need to sell oil to But we bonded them anywhere, right, 281 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 4: so what are we and then they would stood the bombing. 282 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 4: You know, we took out an iotola and replaced an 283 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 4: old iotola with a new iotola. When he was younger 284 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 4: and more energetic, and then many other and angrier. Yes, 285 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 4: and there are lots of iotolas left. So what are 286 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 4: we going to do them now that they withstood the 287 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 4: thing that they we threatened or they always didn't want 288 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 4: us to do and wanted to avoid. If we've done that, now, 289 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 4: what leverage do we have over them now? 290 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 1: Yeah? 291 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 4: No? 292 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 1: None? 293 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 4: So JD. Vance is the perfect person to send to 294 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 4: this negotiation because you don't want to send you know, 295 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 4: he's doing to fail and he's the perfect sucker to go. 296 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, is Donald Trump's vice president the worst 297 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: job in American politics? 298 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 4: I think a job for Donald Trump is the worst 299 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 4: job in American positive Certainly, you wouldn't want to be, 300 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 4: for example, to pick something that somebody may have to 301 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 4: do be his attorney general, because you absolutely cannot. At 302 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 4: least with vice president, you don't really have a job. 303 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 4: So if you can kind of stick to not having 304 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 4: to do anything, it's probably it could very easily be 305 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 4: the best job in the Trump administration. The problem with 306 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 4: some other jobs is that you're actually responsible for stuff 307 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 4: and he can blame you for it. But now he 308 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:06,399 Speaker 4: seems to be putting all of this on Vance. So 309 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:09,640 Speaker 4: fans will take the blame if the US the best 310 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 4: deal of the US can get is essentially capitulation to 311 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 4: the Iranians. So that may be. I don't but I 312 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 4: don't know why he chose vance over over Little Marco. 313 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:19,440 Speaker 3: I really don't. 314 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 4: It's precious, it's precious. Weird that the Secretaria of State 315 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 4: is not conducting these negotiations. 316 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: It is a little bit weird, right, yeah, yeah, why 317 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:32,160 Speaker 1: do you think it is? 318 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 3: I don't know. 319 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 4: I have no idea, I really. 320 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 1: So, I would love you to talk about you know, 321 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 1: we're seeing this blue wave building up from all of 322 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 1: the different ways. The Cook Political Report moved a bunch 323 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: of Senate seats from you know, toss up to lean 324 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 1: DEM or from lean R to toss up Ohio, Sharon Brown, 325 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: North Carolina, a lot of movement in the Senate map. 326 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 1: What do you things going on here? And what do 327 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 1: Republicans do with those? 328 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:09,159 Speaker 4: They can't do much. They are basically being lit up 329 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 4: by Donald Trump. I mean remember last year they couldn't 330 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 4: go and have town halls. They stopped, had to stop 331 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 4: doing that. This year there some of them aren't bothering 332 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 4: to run for reelection. And finally we're seeing some serious 333 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:30,399 Speaker 4: cracks on the right among right wing influencers who are 334 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 4: basically had it with Donald Trump. They're basically saying he's crazy. 335 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:36,399 Speaker 4: They're basically saying we should the twenty he should be 336 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 4: removed under the twenty fifth Amendment. And so things are 337 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:45,479 Speaker 4: not going well for the Republicans, and they're stuck between 338 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:47,360 Speaker 4: a rock and a hard place because they if they 339 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 4: criticize Trump, there's still plenty of fanatics who like him. 340 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 4: But if they stick with Trump, well then they lose 341 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 4: a lot of people who Trump is right now losing. 342 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 4: And I mean it's finally all of it's finally coming 343 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 4: home to roost. And I explained this on MSL. We 344 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 4: see on Saturday morning. The problem with Donald Trump for 345 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 4: these people is they kind of think Donald Trump is 346 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 4: a moron, an idiot, a lunatic. I mean, he understands 347 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 4: all of that at some level, and so he creates 348 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 4: his own reality to pretend like he's competent, and that 349 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:30,479 Speaker 4: is the reality is fake reality that he's conducted his 350 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 4: whole life. He's a great businessman when in fact, you know, 351 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 4: he bankrupted any number of companies and he kept himself 352 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:40,400 Speaker 4: going because his father created this cash cow of apartment 353 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:46,160 Speaker 4: buildings out queens, and so he's created his own reality. 354 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 4: And that was useful to people on the right because 355 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 4: Trump hated the same people and professed to hate the 356 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 4: same people they hated. It was a way of owning 357 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 4: the limbs because the liberals got so upset at Trump, 358 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 4: and and Trump stood up to some extent against things 359 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 4: that they didn't like, or at least they thought he did. 360 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 4: The problem is that, you know, having this left brain 361 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:14,439 Speaker 4: that is connected with reality and this right brain that 362 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 4: has to adopt this fakeness, it creates this cognitive dissonance, 363 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:24,400 Speaker 4: is what psychologists call it, and that creates a lot 364 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 4: of stress on the mind and on the emotions. And 365 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:31,400 Speaker 4: now that he is actually doing some things that are 366 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:35,680 Speaker 4: completely insane that they even they can't rationalize, in fact, 367 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 4: that they particularly dislike, like this war, the cognitive dissonance 368 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 4: is becoming too strong for them. And also he's become 369 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 4: less useful to them, So now people are kind of 370 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 4: cutting and letting loose on him. And that's happening with 371 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 4: the Megan Kelly's and the Joe Rogan's and the Fucker Carlson's. 372 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 4: We're seeing a lot of at MTG, and we're seeing 373 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 4: a lot of the influencer types, the formerly true red 374 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:13,360 Speaker 4: magas basically attack him. And now you still see poles. 375 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:15,160 Speaker 4: I mean that he's going down in the polls as 376 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 4: the less the less committed people who voted for him 377 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 4: are basically done with him, especially at the Hispanics that 378 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 4: he won over very briefly. Yeah, but then you still 379 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 4: have some people who are going to say there for 380 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,640 Speaker 4: Trump when upholster calls, because that's just their habit. It's there, 381 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 4: it's been their habitual way of identifying those fos themselves 382 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:40,400 Speaker 4: in the last several years. But deep down they're very 383 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 4: very upset. And I know somebody whose mother was saying 384 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 4: that she was very, very depressed, and the mother was 385 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 4: a was a pro Trump person, but she wouldn't tell 386 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:54,440 Speaker 4: her child what exactly she was upset about. And it's 387 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 4: like that Saturday Night Live skit with the mom who's 388 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:03,120 Speaker 4: basically saying, I know, I realize, I mean a mistake. Yeah. 389 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:09,199 Speaker 4: And so we're seeing basically the collapse of Trump and 390 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:16,160 Speaker 4: the collapse of MAGA Republicanism. It's happening at an accelerating pace. 391 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 4: It's you know, it's something that I would have thought 392 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 4: should have happened five years ago, if not seven years ago. 393 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 4: But it's finally happening. And I think it has a 394 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 4: lot of ramifications. One is there is going to be 395 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 4: a blue tsunami this year because I don't think Trump 396 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:36,159 Speaker 4: is going to turn this around. I think he's so 397 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 4: disconnected with reality. He's so far gone mentally, not that 398 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,680 Speaker 4: he was ever there, but he's now basically he's he's 399 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 4: basically forsaken reality. He's not listening to anybody who's people 400 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 4: who are trying to tell him like he's he's ruining, 401 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:58,120 Speaker 4: ruining the world for his Republican friends. So I think 402 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,199 Speaker 4: we're gonna see a blue tsunami. And the other and 403 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 4: I think is and this is, you know, the thrust 404 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 4: of my campaign, which is, we have to get rid 405 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 4: of this guy. We have to impeach and remove him. 406 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,639 Speaker 4: And it's not separate from all the issues that we 407 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 4: need to address, you know, on an economic level for 408 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 4: people here in this district and elsewhere, because we can't 409 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:23,120 Speaker 4: accomplish any of that until he's gone, Until this criminal 410 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 4: regime that acts only in his best interest instead of 411 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:27,919 Speaker 4: the interest of the people, that spends money on is 412 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,639 Speaker 4: instead of on healthcare. We have to get rid of him, 413 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 4: and we're not going to survive thirty three more months 414 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 4: of what we've seen in the past fifteen and one 415 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 4: response to that whenever it has been well, they're never 416 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,119 Speaker 4: going to remove him. The Senate is never going to 417 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 4: do that. We've been through this to go twice, blah 418 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,679 Speaker 4: blah blah blah blah. This time is going to be 419 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,959 Speaker 4: different because they're done with him. They are really really 420 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 4: done with him, and they're going to be even more 421 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 4: done with him in a few months. And the fear 422 00:23:55,800 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 4: calculus of the cowardly Republicans who have been shamefully forsaking 423 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 4: their duty to the country and their oaths of office 424 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 4: to tau tau to Trump, even though he trammels on 425 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 4: the authority of Congress and violates the law left and right, 426 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 4: and commits bigh crimes and misdemeanors, the fear calculus for 427 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:19,120 Speaker 4: these cowards is going to run the other way. And 428 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 4: so as I watched this, I really do think the 429 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 4: conditions are there or a political democratic renaissance that involves 430 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 4: the impeachment and removal of this criminal. Now, if there 431 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:39,160 Speaker 4: were a presidential election this year, or next that would 432 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 4: do it too, and we would have a situation like 433 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 4: we saw this weekend in Hungary where it finally came 434 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 4: you know, a mudjar. Mudjar won this election by going 435 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,679 Speaker 4: out to the countryside and explaining to people how the 436 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 4: criminality and the corruption was hurting them personally in economic 437 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 4: which is exactly what is happening in the United States. 438 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,640 Speaker 4: But we do not have an election until twenty twenty eight, 439 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 4: and we cannot. I don't know if the world can 440 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 4: survive the damage that this one psychopath has done to 441 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:17,159 Speaker 4: the world economy, what he's done to our democracy, what 442 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 4: he's done in the last fifteen months. So I think 443 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 4: he's going to get somewhat worse before it gets better. 444 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 4: But I think we are going to be able to 445 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 4: rid ourselves of this evil man sooner rather than later. 446 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 4: I think sometime in twenty twenty seven we will be 447 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:38,679 Speaker 4: done with him. I'm becoming increasingly optimistic about that. That 448 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 4: being said, it's going to be a tough year to 449 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 4: year and a half and putting back together. Humpty dumpty 450 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,399 Speaker 4: that Donald Trump kicked off the wall. You know, everything 451 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 4: from the Justice Department, to the economy and to our 452 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 4: politics are broken politics. Oh right, I mean everything you say, 453 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 4: yeah is the USA you name. The damage has been substantial, 454 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 4: is going to and it's going to take years to 455 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 4: fully recover. But I think people, I think we're going 456 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 4: to be I think we're going to make it. But 457 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,399 Speaker 4: I think we're going to have a difficult year. And 458 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 4: I think people have to be determined. They have to 459 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:22,880 Speaker 4: get out to vote, They have to get other people 460 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:24,920 Speaker 4: out to vote, they have to get out on the streets, 461 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:29,639 Speaker 4: and they basically have to exercise their civic duties and 462 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 4: responsibilities to defend our democracy like ever before, because this 463 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 4: is the moment of truths, because he's going to get 464 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 4: you know, and he's crazier than ever, and he's going 465 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 4: to get more dangerous than ever. We saw that with 466 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:46,399 Speaker 4: his threats to destroy a whole civilization. We see that 467 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 4: he's already planning to do things to affect the twenty 468 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 4: twenty six mid terms. It's going to get worse before 469 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 4: it gets better. But we can see the signs that 470 00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 4: his base, he's destroying his own base, his own credibility, 471 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:05,160 Speaker 4: he's destroying his own power. And even though that means 472 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,200 Speaker 4: he's more dangerous, because he even be more desperate. I 473 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 4: think I think we can see a path, a difficult path, 474 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:16,880 Speaker 4: but a path that can be traversed with great determination. 475 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 1: George Conway, will you come back? 476 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 4: I will always come back. How many times have I 477 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 4: come back? Have I ever failed to come back? 478 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 1: Howard Paulskin is the founder and chief curator of The 479 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 1: Writing Welcome, Welcome, Howard. 480 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 3: Oh, it's great to be here, Molly. 481 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,360 Speaker 1: So I want you to tell our listeners what it 482 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 1: is you do. 483 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 3: Well. 484 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:44,400 Speaker 5: Every morning between a thirty and eleven thirty, I go 485 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 5: through about forty right wing websites to find out what 486 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,360 Speaker 5: the right is thinking, and I put them all together 487 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 5: in a newsletter with about fifteen headlines that's dedicated for mainstreamers, 488 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,879 Speaker 5: and so they know what the right is thinking. So 489 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 5: in too scanning that they get the fifty thousand foot field. 490 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 1: And it's called the Writing with an R Yes Yes, 491 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,680 Speaker 1: And you've been doing it since. 492 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:17,640 Speaker 5: Two thousand and seventeen. I decided to do this right 493 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 5: after Charlotte'sville. That was the trigger. 494 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 1: So why did you decide that after Charlottesville? 495 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:27,359 Speaker 5: Because I thought I was a informed citizen of the 496 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 5: United States, and then Trump got elected and I thought, 497 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,199 Speaker 5: how did this happen. How did half the country go 498 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 5: the other way? And I started going to these websites 499 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 5: like brit part that I'd never been to before. I'd 500 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 5: never even been to the National Reviews website, and I 501 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 5: discovered this whole other way of thinking that was informing 502 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 5: the voting habits of half of the country. And I said, why, 503 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 5: it would be so much easier if someone would just 504 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 5: push that to me. And all of a sudden, I 505 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 5: thought like, well, maybe that's my job. 506 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 1: You know, It's funny because it's like the election of Trump. 507 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 1: What it did was there were certain people and I 508 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 1: count myself in that as who realized that there were 509 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 1: things that needed to be done that were just not 510 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: being done, like the writing. So I want you to 511 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 1: talk about what it was like when in twenty seventeen 512 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 1: when you started reading these sites, like what were the 513 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 1: predominant sites, what were the predominant themes? 514 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 3: There was a lot of what I saw back then. 515 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 5: There was again there was certainly a demonization of the 516 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 5: others Muslim. So you had sites like Breitbart which were 517 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 5: focusing very heavily on Muslim crimes against Scandinavians. I always 518 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 5: remember that that was a big theme so you know, 519 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:50,479 Speaker 5: you you'd see these things surface. Rush Limbaugh was a 520 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 5: big influence back then. He did a really good job 521 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 5: with his radio show. He would always he would post 522 00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 5: the text almost immediately and have it broken down by subject. 523 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 5: Having said, it was really easy to access his work. 524 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 5: That was pretty important. Pat Buchanan was a big voice then, 525 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 5: and you know things started to change somewhat, but not dramatically. 526 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 5: Foxnews dot Com is still the big eight thousand pound 527 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 5: gorilla in the space. Everyone else is chasing them, but 528 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 5: far far behind. 529 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 1: So I want you to talk about what it was 530 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 1: like when Biden got elected, right, going from being the 531 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 1: party in power to the opposition party. I just wonder 532 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 1: what you saw that changed in Republican messaging. 533 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 3: They had a field day on him. 534 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 5: I mean they they feasted on him like a dead 535 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 5: zebra in the plains. 536 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 3: I mean it was brutal. 537 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 5: It's like they never ran out of awful adjectives to 538 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 5: describe them. And the way when I read that, when 539 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 5: I'm reading this alone in my office, going like, Democrats 540 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 5: have to do something. 541 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 3: This cannot hold. 542 00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 5: They're going to lose, yes, the far right reader, I mean, 543 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 5: they're never going to vote for Biden. But the people 544 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 5: who are in the center and center right, that's going 545 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 5: to sway them and push them over to the right. Additionally, 546 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 5: I could also see where a lot of what was 547 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 5: getting written about Trump was picking it up in his messaging. 548 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 5: So when Trump says, people are saying, well, what he 549 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 5: really saying is like info Wars reported this bullshit information. 550 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 3: That's what he's really saying. 551 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 1: When I used to go to Sea Pack, I would 552 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 1: notice that there'd be certain things they would come up with, 553 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 1: like they're trying to take away your hamburgers, right AOC 554 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 1: wants to take away your hamburgers. Or Trump had this 555 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 1: whole thing about abortion where they throw the baby in 556 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 1: the garbage. Just give me some of those that you've 557 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 1: seen from you know, things where you know it's not true, 558 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 1: but they try to shop it anyway. 559 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 3: You know. 560 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,080 Speaker 5: The biggest example, I would say was at the beginning 561 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 5: of the pandemic. Oh interesting, that was reprehensible and what 562 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 5: they wrote, what right wing mede resulted in people dying, 563 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 5: and Trump was to blame. 564 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 3: For a lot of that. 565 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 5: The apex of that came in January, I'm sorry, in 566 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 5: June of twenty twenty, when Mike Pence wrote an op 567 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 5: ed for the Wall Street Journal basically saying the pandemic 568 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 5: is over. 569 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 3: But I could see what was happening. 570 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 5: It's like the GOP talking points were so like, get 571 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 5: that message out there because this is the pandemic is 572 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 5: damaging to Trump's reelection campaign. So that that was published 573 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 5: by the Wall Street Journal was shameful. 574 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you see a lot of connection between the 575 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal editorial page and some of these really 576 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 1: bright party into war sites. 577 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 5: The journal goes both ways on Trump and some of 578 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,400 Speaker 5: the crazies. They're not as crazy, and some of it 579 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 5: makes sense and I can get behind in a way. 580 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 5: That's what makes a great opinion page. And never know 581 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 5: what you're going to get, and you know, sometimes it 582 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 5: sparks outrage. Sometimes you go, yeah, that makes sense. And 583 00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 5: that's what happens to me a lot of times because 584 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 5: it's pushed my thinking more to their right than just 585 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,560 Speaker 5: so you know, I'm left of center. I was further 586 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 5: left of center. So you know, it's like, hey, you 587 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 5: can teach an old dog new tricks. 588 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 1: I'd love me to talk about that because that's very interesting. 589 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:20,800 Speaker 1: So do you feel like it's made you, I mean, explain. 590 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,480 Speaker 5: It's made some of my friends, my park Slope friends, 591 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,480 Speaker 5: you know, question my sanity and think like, are you 592 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 5: going over to the dark side? But in a way 593 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 5: it's like no, I feel I'm a smarter person for 594 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 5: reading the right. I think it's important, you know, I'm 595 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 5: suspect of people who spend way too much time just 596 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 5: immersing themselves in progressive media. I think it's healthy to 597 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 5: dabble in the right. You could see like things like 598 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 5: Drag Queen Story Hour, which seem to be accepted. The 599 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 5: right up in arms about that, and that's an issue 600 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 5: where I go, you know, I think they have a 601 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,240 Speaker 5: point on that that doesn't necessarily to be and it's 602 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 5: politically harmful for Democrats. 603 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:07,479 Speaker 1: What are they still stuck on? What are the things 604 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,400 Speaker 1: that you're seeing Like today, I saw in your newsletter 605 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:14,600 Speaker 1: they're focused on Eric Swawell and the idea that everyone 606 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:18,640 Speaker 1: knew and everyone in the media knew. And that goes 607 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 1: back to that thing with Biden, where they were very 608 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 1: focused on the idea that everyone in the media knew 609 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 1: that something was wrong with Biden. I mean, is that 610 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,359 Speaker 1: the pervasive narrative right now is that where they are 611 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:30,360 Speaker 1: is there other stuff. 612 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,800 Speaker 5: Yes, that, like right away, I knew, like, Oh, that's 613 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 5: going to be, that'll be, that'll be the story for 614 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 5: the week. 615 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:38,719 Speaker 3: You know they're going to go on that right now. 616 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:42,319 Speaker 5: What seems to be the pinata that they're focusing on 617 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 5: a lot is Jennifer Newsome. They have been attacking her 618 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,040 Speaker 5: the last two or three weeks. It's been relentless. 619 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 1: Oh why we're being woke. 620 00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,640 Speaker 3: That's basically it. But they have been relentless. 621 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,560 Speaker 5: And Gavin Newsom has certainly been at the top of 622 00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 5: the list of a target of right wing media this year. 623 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 1: Who are the other targets besides Gavin Newsom? 624 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 3: And Michelle Obama is always a great target for them. 625 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,359 Speaker 1: She's not running for office, she's not in I mean 626 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 1: really still yeah. 627 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,680 Speaker 5: I mean, they always perceived her as the biggest threat 628 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,000 Speaker 5: in the last presidential election. 629 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:18,160 Speaker 3: That was their fear. 630 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:23,600 Speaker 5: There's a particular villainization of powerful women of color that 631 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,960 Speaker 5: never goes out of style. Barack Obama is a perennial, 632 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,920 Speaker 5: they will keep hammering them. I Mean I always say, 633 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:34,400 Speaker 5: what MAGA really stands for is make America white and 634 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:38,000 Speaker 5: heterosexual again. So anything that kind of goes against it 635 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,160 Speaker 5: becomes a target of right wing media. 636 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 1: I know this, but it's also just ridiculous. So I'd 637 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,880 Speaker 1: love you to talk about what you're seeing right now 638 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 1: in the cultural war space. For such a long time, 639 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 1: their biggest obsession was trans people in women's sports, which 640 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 1: they didn't really care about, but for whatever reason, they 641 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,319 Speaker 1: thought it was a winning issue for them. Are still 642 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,919 Speaker 1: seeing that and are you seeing other things like that 643 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:06,200 Speaker 1: where it's a small issue that like the right has 644 00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:06,799 Speaker 1: seized on. 645 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:12,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, women's sports. I think anything relating to transgender issues. 646 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:16,920 Speaker 5: I think we'll see a lot of homophobic articles in 647 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:18,239 Speaker 5: June for Pride Month. 648 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,759 Speaker 1: I mean that you can expect you're watched by that. 649 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,640 Speaker 5: One hundred percent one hundred percent, And I think it 650 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:25,960 Speaker 5: really scares corporate America. 651 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,400 Speaker 1: Are they still obsessed with the Clintons always? 652 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,120 Speaker 5: I mean that picture of Bill Clinton in a hot tub? 653 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,399 Speaker 5: I mean, right, that's that sports Bill Clinton hot tub. 654 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:36,600 Speaker 5: Pequal's clickbait. 655 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,279 Speaker 1: So there have been like places where there are men 656 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,640 Speaker 1: maga voices that are broke with Trump. And I'm thinking 657 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:46,319 Speaker 1: of Epstein and the War. We saw Megan Kelly break 658 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,719 Speaker 1: with Trump on the War. We've seen Tucker I saw 659 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,480 Speaker 1: polling recently that Tucker broke with Trump on the war 660 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:57,040 Speaker 1: and that it actually hurt Tucker ultimately, that Tucker's numbers 661 00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,040 Speaker 1: went down and Trump sort of I mean, obviously the 662 00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,560 Speaker 1: word's not popular, but that Trump could survive it much 663 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,640 Speaker 1: more than Tucker could survive not. Are you seeing breaks 664 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,279 Speaker 1: with Trump? And if so, on what yes? 665 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,439 Speaker 5: I mean, there are breaks with Trump, and it's fashionable 666 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:14,719 Speaker 5: in mainstream and progressive media circles to say wow, that 667 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,560 Speaker 5: there are cracks in in Trump's foundation, but he always 668 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:22,000 Speaker 5: comes back. I would say the biggest break I saw 669 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:26,640 Speaker 5: in the past was immediately following j six, almost all 670 00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:31,320 Speaker 5: right wing media outlets work against Trump, and it criticized 671 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,520 Speaker 5: them Heyward basic saying like take a hike, buddy, and 672 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,279 Speaker 5: he came back, and you know, you would have thought 673 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 5: that that was it, that was the kiss to death. 674 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,520 Speaker 5: So I'm not ready right now to say, wow, maga 675 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,000 Speaker 5: world is against Trump. 676 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:45,320 Speaker 3: These big voices are. 677 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,080 Speaker 5: And plus, you know, let's not forget the biggest voice 678 00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:52,279 Speaker 5: in right wing podcasting is Ben Shapiro, who's got ten 679 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,400 Speaker 5: times the audience of Canvas Owens. 680 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:55,359 Speaker 3: He's pro war. 681 00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:57,359 Speaker 1: I thought his numbers were going down. 682 00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:01,960 Speaker 5: No, No, he's so strong He's a huge force out there. 683 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:06,080 Speaker 5: So I think Trump's post of him depicting himself as 684 00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,080 Speaker 5: a christ like figure, I'm wondering how this is going 685 00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,840 Speaker 5: to impact him as an anti Trumper. I certainly hope 686 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:17,000 Speaker 5: it takes him down and it hurts the GOP the midterms. 687 00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 1: Are you seeing any thing in what you're looking at 688 00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,720 Speaker 1: that shows anti Trump stuff when it comes to that meme, 689 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,960 Speaker 1: like and the war with the Pope? I mean, are 690 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:29,640 Speaker 1: there people taking the Pope's side here? 691 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:30,160 Speaker 3: Well? 692 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:34,359 Speaker 5: Then Washington examly wrote today that you know, basically Pope 693 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:35,200 Speaker 5: Leo was wrong. 694 00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:37,360 Speaker 3: Ker in Chief wrote. 695 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:41,160 Speaker 1: That, yeah, the Pope was wrong, Yes, yes, yes, because 696 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,480 Speaker 1: he wanted piece. Is that wrong or what? 697 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:44,640 Speaker 3: I have to go back? 698 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:46,239 Speaker 5: But that was that was the headline I put it 699 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,920 Speaker 5: in today's newsletter. It was like, oh, that's interesting and 700 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,120 Speaker 5: basically saying like Trump has done so much for peace 701 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,279 Speaker 5: and stuff like that, what has the Pope done? 702 00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,280 Speaker 1: Yeah? What has the Pope done? A really good question? 703 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:03,760 Speaker 1: That pope such an insane thing done. 704 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:08,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, you would think like attacking the Pope is like 705 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:10,719 Speaker 5: the third rail of politics. 706 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:12,439 Speaker 3: I don't care who you were, don't go. 707 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,520 Speaker 1: There, but you really do actually think that Trump could 708 00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,000 Speaker 1: actually win in Maga world against the Pope. 709 00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,880 Speaker 5: I mean, the fact that I even have to consider 710 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,640 Speaker 5: such a question shows how far gone we've gone. 711 00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:26,759 Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, he might be able to. 712 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,799 Speaker 5: I mean so much that he's withstood and come back 713 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:31,760 Speaker 5: stronger than ever. 714 00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,640 Speaker 3: Like, yeah, this could be a possibility. 715 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:38,360 Speaker 5: On the other hand, it's rational and logical to think, like, no, 716 00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:39,640 Speaker 5: that's going to take him down. 717 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,120 Speaker 3: There's going to be a huge political price to pay 718 00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:42,520 Speaker 3: for this. 719 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:48,080 Speaker 1: Are there democrats they like in this world of right 720 00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:48,760 Speaker 1: wing media? 721 00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:53,759 Speaker 3: No? I mean could they? Yes? Better? Man? Yeah, a 722 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:55,759 Speaker 3: guy wears shorts in January and a. 723 00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,960 Speaker 5: Hoodie, right, they like that guy looks like Bill Belichick 724 00:39:59,080 --> 00:39:59,640 Speaker 5: dresses him. 725 00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:01,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's who they like. 726 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,120 Speaker 5: But other than that, I mean, I'm seeing headlines all 727 00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:05,160 Speaker 5: the time, and a lot of the time I don't 728 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,160 Speaker 5: even include them in the news round up, like Democrats 729 00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,839 Speaker 5: are the most awful people on Earth, stuff like that. 730 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:15,200 Speaker 1: Do you think that, Like they're still staunchly pro Zionist. 731 00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:15,920 Speaker 3: Yes. 732 00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:20,400 Speaker 5: After October seventh, the right wing press really was on 733 00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,800 Speaker 5: Israel's side. They were against the campus protests. 734 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:24,200 Speaker 3: You know. 735 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,799 Speaker 5: The New York Post in particular was very vocal and 736 00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,680 Speaker 5: had many compelling editorials and op eds on the subject. 737 00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:37,799 Speaker 1: But now still, even after all the good, do you 738 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:41,240 Speaker 1: see when you read these things that there's any big 739 00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,160 Speaker 1: change over the last ten years in. 740 00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:45,560 Speaker 3: Right wing media. No. 741 00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:47,640 Speaker 5: I mean there would be small changes stuff like that, 742 00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:51,080 Speaker 5: but you know, the big thing is basically pro Trump. 743 00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,359 Speaker 3: You know, Trump good, Democrats bad. That's really it. 744 00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,520 Speaker 5: You know, there's no such thing as a kind of 745 00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:01,600 Speaker 5: country club republicanism anymore. That's gone out the window. So, 746 00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,440 Speaker 5: in fact, I used to call things conservative. I'd say 747 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,920 Speaker 5: this is this is this newsenter is about conservative media, 748 00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,279 Speaker 5: And a few friends said, no, that doesn't really describe it, 749 00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,880 Speaker 5: because conservatives signaled something that William F. 750 00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,960 Speaker 3: Buckley would be about. Or no, this is right wing media. 751 00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,160 Speaker 3: So that's that's why I call it right wing media. 752 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,440 Speaker 1: How are they dealing with the loss of vic door 753 00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,120 Speaker 1: or bond to be determined? 754 00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:25,399 Speaker 3: Right? 755 00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:26,399 Speaker 1: You haven't seen that yet. 756 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:27,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a big one. 757 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,120 Speaker 5: I mean, listen, I'm someone who goes I'm from the 758 00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,680 Speaker 5: only one a few people in the country. Every morning 759 00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:36,120 Speaker 5: I go to the website the Hungarian Conservative. Oh wow, 760 00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,799 Speaker 5: I'm kind of surprised that I thought they'd be all 761 00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:42,480 Speaker 5: over this and are The Anything Plus. I also read 762 00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:46,359 Speaker 5: their sister publication, The European Conservative. I'd hope to see 763 00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:46,799 Speaker 5: more in there. 764 00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,399 Speaker 1: But do you think that they're doing this thing where 765 00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:54,400 Speaker 1: conservative media does where they don't or right wing media 766 00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,520 Speaker 1: does where they don't cover things if they don't like them. 767 00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's a fair assessment, Molly out. 768 00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,520 Speaker 1: Yes, so interesting. Howard. I'm so glad you came on. 769 00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:07,719 Speaker 1: But you think it cooked your brain a little, not 770 00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,960 Speaker 1: to put too fine a point on it, a little bit. 771 00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not overdone yet. Okay, fight left in me, 772 00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:15,160 Speaker 5: don't worry. 773 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,120 Speaker 1: Okay, good, get gig good Howard, Thank you so. 774 00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:27,040 Speaker 5: Much, Thank you so much, Polly, no moment, Jesse Cannon, Molly. 775 00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,160 Speaker 2: Who would have thunk that the administration that brought us 776 00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,960 Speaker 2: Project twenty twenty five, filled with religious zelotry, with a 777 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,680 Speaker 2: Department of warhead with all sorts of crazy Christian tattoos 778 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:43,040 Speaker 2: would be having government workers innundated with religion in emails? 779 00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:43,640 Speaker 3: Yeah? 780 00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:48,240 Speaker 1: I would have thought that this has never happened before. 781 00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:51,040 Speaker 1: One government employee tells Wired, I have never gotten a 782 00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:54,320 Speaker 1: message like this from anyone. On Easter Sunday, US Department 783 00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,120 Speaker 1: of Agriculture Secretary of Brook Rawlins sent out an email 784 00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,839 Speaker 1: titled he has risen to the entire agency. She then 785 00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,680 Speaker 1: talked about Jesus Christ, the greatest story ever told and 786 00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,960 Speaker 1: the foundation of our faith. By the way, at that 787 00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:13,960 Speaker 1: same time, Donald Trump posting photos of himself, right, I mean, 788 00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:15,840 Speaker 1: wasn't he fighting with the Pope? 789 00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:19,000 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah? And I thought that he was Pete 790 00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:19,759 Speaker 2: for besgoverer. 791 00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:26,000 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah. So the USDA these employees are pretty offended. Also, 792 00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,080 Speaker 1: my favorite part of the whole story is they think 793 00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,240 Speaker 1: the wording made them think it was written by AI. 794 00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:36,879 Speaker 1: So if you're going to cross the church and state threshold, 795 00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:40,239 Speaker 1: at least write your own copy. I definitely thought it 796 00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,399 Speaker 1: was weird and a bit uncomfortable. And that's a vibe 797 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,480 Speaker 1: I got for my colleagues as well. You're not going 798 00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:48,120 Speaker 1: to make anyone religious zeal it by sending them spam. 799 00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:50,720 Speaker 1: I feel like this is a lesson that this Krush 800 00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:52,319 Speaker 1: have learned a long time ago. 801 00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:53,839 Speaker 2: Yeah. 802 00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:58,400 Speaker 1: That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. 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