WEBVTT - Rita Wilson 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:02.000 This is me, Craig Ferguson. 0:00:02.360 --> 0:00:04.560 I'm inviting you to come and see my brand new 0:00:04.600 --> 0:00:06.559 comedy hour. Well it's actually it's about an hour and 0:00:06.600 --> 0:00:08.319 a half and I don't have an opener because these 0:00:08.360 --> 0:00:11.000 guys cost money. But what I'm saying is I'll be 0:00:11.039 --> 0:00:13.600 on stage for a while. Anyway, come and see me 0:00:13.680 --> 0:00:17.840 live on the Pants on Fire Tour in your region. 0:00:18.320 --> 0:00:20.760 Tickets our own sale now, and we'll be adding more 0:00:21.079 --> 0:00:24.960 as the tour continues throughout twenty twenty five and beyond. 0:00:25.640 --> 0:00:28.120 For a full list of dates, go to the Craig 0:00:28.120 --> 0:00:29.560 Ferguson show dot com. 0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:32.240 See you on the road, my DearS. 0:00:33.400 --> 0:00:36.640 My name is Craig Ferguson. The name of this podcast 0:00:37.000 --> 0:00:41.760 is Joy. I talk to interesting people about what brings 0:00:41.800 --> 0:00:49.240 them happiness. Meet Rita Wilson. She's a producer, she's an actress, 0:00:49.360 --> 0:00:58.920 and she's a hell of a laugh. I was just 0:00:58.960 --> 0:01:01.200 thinking on the way here today, I thought, because the 0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:03.120 traffic was bad, I know, you know, that was bad. 0:01:03.240 --> 0:01:03.440 I was. 0:01:03.560 --> 0:01:05.760 I was a little grumpy, and I thought, I'm a 0:01:05.760 --> 0:01:08.400 bit grumpy today. I'm a little I'm a man called 0:01:08.440 --> 0:01:09.160 great today. 0:01:10.520 --> 0:01:13.000 That was such a great film, which one the man 0:01:13.000 --> 0:01:13.560 called Auto. 0:01:13.800 --> 0:01:14.959 Oh yeah, that. 0:01:15.000 --> 0:01:17.160 Was a man called Crege. I was like, I was 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:19.920 very cranky. Yeah, how did you find that? 0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:25.080 Fortunately it came in a DVD packet through the Academy. 0:01:26.080 --> 0:01:26.960 It was another movie. 0:01:26.959 --> 0:01:29.000 Then it was I saw the Swedish film. 0:01:29.240 --> 0:01:32.000 First, I think you got the script or something. 0:01:32.120 --> 0:01:35.360 No, we developed the script, but I found it through 0:01:35.400 --> 0:01:37.679 the Swedish movie, and then I realized there was a 0:01:37.680 --> 0:01:40.600 book to it, so immediately tried to get the rights 0:01:40.680 --> 0:01:43.640 to the book, which we were able to do and 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:45.559 then got a great team together. 0:01:46.040 --> 0:01:49.320 I love that movie really good. I love that movie. 0:01:49.320 --> 0:01:53.760 Youreed the movie right, produced it okay, which, as everybody knows, 0:01:53.960 --> 0:01:55.880 if you're really into your business, you know you really 0:01:55.920 --> 0:01:56.600 did the job. 0:01:56.920 --> 0:02:00.960 You know what, it can be unequivocally honest about that 0:02:01.120 --> 0:02:02.120 and say y's true. 0:02:02.360 --> 0:02:05.440 It is because the only one time I directed a 0:02:05.480 --> 0:02:07.360 movie and I didn't produce it, I've only gone like 0:02:07.440 --> 0:02:10.520 three or something, but I directed a movie and I 0:02:10.560 --> 0:02:12.840 was like, this is everybody's telling me stuff and they're 0:02:12.840 --> 0:02:15.040 getting my way. Now I realized the people that were 0:02:15.040 --> 0:02:17.399 getting my way with the producers, and I'm much happier 0:02:18.120 --> 0:02:19.920 being the producer than being the director. 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:23.760 Yes, it's true. So let me ask you, because there 0:02:23.800 --> 0:02:24.639 was I think I. 0:02:24.600 --> 0:02:27.520 Wanted to ask you about, which is You're the only 0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:31.360 person I know. Now I'll preface this by saying, I 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:38.120 have become fascinated recently with pre Roman Church Christianity. Oh 0:02:38.680 --> 0:02:42.120 just fascinated by it. I reading everything I can about it. 0:02:42.440 --> 0:02:46.000 I've become totally obsessed with it, as is my one. 0:02:46.120 --> 0:02:48.680 And you're the only person I know who I think 0:02:49.040 --> 0:02:50.359 is in the Greek Orthodox Church? 0:02:50.440 --> 0:02:50.600 Right? 0:02:51.080 --> 0:02:53.720 Which is the split? Now? 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:56.040 You tell me, you tell me what's the difference between 0:02:56.480 --> 0:02:58.040 If you can and I'm not. I don't want to 0:02:58.160 --> 0:03:02.480 for show it theological, but I know that this split 0:03:02.600 --> 0:03:04.240 happened round about. 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:10.200 You can't. I'm so bad at history, really am. But 0:03:10.240 --> 0:03:14.400 I will tell you what I believe is what I 0:03:14.480 --> 0:03:20.679 understand to be some of the differences. And in Greek Orthodoxy, 0:03:20.880 --> 0:03:25.160 which was the older religion, right, the Byzantine exactly was 0:03:25.240 --> 0:03:32.519 before Catholicism, before the schism. What what happened in the schism, 0:03:33.160 --> 0:03:37.720 I think is that the Catholics wanted to form a 0:03:37.720 --> 0:03:43.480 different form of Christianity. And what Greek orthodox don't have 0:03:43.800 --> 0:03:47.480 is a pope, So we don't have a person that 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:53.040 we say this, you're the top guy and everybody you 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:54.200 know you talk directly to. 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:56.880 God, which the Christians didn't. 0:03:56.640 --> 0:04:01.160 Have either, right, and so I I think that's one 0:04:01.160 --> 0:04:08.280 of the differences. Secondly, this is my own observation, having 0:04:08.320 --> 0:04:10.200 a lot of Catholic friends and going to a lot 0:04:10.200 --> 0:04:14.640 of Catholic churches in my youth. Is in the Greek 0:04:14.720 --> 0:04:19.520 Orthodox Church, we don't really focus so much on the 0:04:19.560 --> 0:04:26.240 crucifixion as we do the resurrection. And I think that's 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:29.440 interesting because if you walk into a Greek Orthodox cathedral 0:04:29.520 --> 0:04:36.240 or church, you often will see pictures of Christ carrying 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:40.600 the cross on his back, or you will see pictures 0:04:40.640 --> 0:04:45.600 of Him with the disciples or the apostles. There is 0:04:45.800 --> 0:04:49.320 always a story told of the life of Jesus in 0:04:49.360 --> 0:04:52.120 the church, and there you will find one picture of 0:04:52.200 --> 0:04:55.159 Him on the cross being crucified. 0:04:55.400 --> 0:04:56.880 So it's part of the story, is not. 0:04:57.000 --> 0:04:59.400 Like yeah, which I think is just I don't know 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:01.760 if that's my own an observation or if that there's 0:05:01.839 --> 0:05:02.920 intention to that. 0:05:03.040 --> 0:05:05.039 You know what I noticed when I was in Italy 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:07.840 a couple of years ago. I go there a lot 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:12.080 because I love it, and I noticed that the beautiful artwork, 0:05:12.480 --> 0:05:15.040 you know, in the Vatican or in the bigger Catholic 0:05:15.160 --> 0:05:19.120 churches in Italy. The very impressive artwork is not mirrored 0:05:19.279 --> 0:05:23.120 in the rural churches, and you can see some really 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:28.400 crap pictures. Like I was like the church and I 0:05:28.440 --> 0:05:32.279 was like, what's that? Listen, that's this is the crucifixion 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:33.080 of our Lord Jesus. 0:05:33.200 --> 0:05:35.680 I'm like, that to me, looks like a bear climate 0:05:35.720 --> 0:05:39.880 of fence. It doesn't look anything like it. 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:43.240 And I love the idea that there's you know, valiant 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:46.200 efforts by people who are not as talented to make 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:49.039 because of course is a great artist, just because they're 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:52.400 you know, depicting the Crucifixion or the resurrection. 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:53.400 But here's the thing. 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:57.120 Here's there's also one other thing in the church. In 0:05:57.200 --> 0:06:01.840 our church Greek Orthodoxy, priests can marry a priest and 0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:05.920 they can have children. And I think this is important, 0:06:06.120 --> 0:06:10.000 especially if you're going to talk to someone about your marriage. 0:06:10.120 --> 0:06:14.120 How does someone know what you know a marriage is 0:06:14.240 --> 0:06:18.799 like if they've never experienced having a relationship with someone. 0:06:19.320 --> 0:06:24.200 And I believe that if you are a priest, if 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:27.960 you are married and then become a priest, it's fine 0:06:28.000 --> 0:06:31.880 that you're married, But if you become a priest, you 0:06:32.040 --> 0:06:34.440 then cannot get married after. 0:06:34.160 --> 0:06:35.960 The fact is that in the Catholic Church. 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:38.040 In the Catholic Church, priests can't marry. 0:06:38.040 --> 0:06:38.920 It can't marry at all. 0:06:39.200 --> 0:06:41.200 But that was only for that was from the Second 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:43.760 Vatican Council or something or seven hundred. That was because 0:06:44.279 --> 0:06:49.200 of priests were leaving their you know, their inheritance to 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:51.800 their children, and the Church wanted it. 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:52.400 That's the right. 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:57.240 So it was not really know when celibacy I mean 0:06:57.360 --> 0:07:00.479 as a as a spiritual esthetic, I go goes back 0:07:00.520 --> 0:07:04.640 to Buddhist esthetics and pre Roman Christianity, because I've become 0:07:04.640 --> 0:07:08.560 fascinated about it because I think someone I think of 0:07:08.640 --> 0:07:11.600 someone at the door with coffee. Actually, hold on, it's 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:12.160 the priests. 0:07:12.240 --> 0:07:13.080 They're coming together. 0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:17.160 Hey wait a minute. 0:07:18.400 --> 0:07:22.280 Of the thank you that's so great. 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:24.920 So there's this guy I've become fascinated by. 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:26.520 His name is And I want to know why you 0:07:26.600 --> 0:07:29.600 became fascinated with the Greek Orthodox Church. 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:32.520 Well, it's not so much the Greek Orthodox, but I 0:07:32.560 --> 0:07:34.920 don't know enough about the Greek I've been surrounded by 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:37.280 Catholicism my whole I'm not a Catholic, but I grew 0:07:37.400 --> 0:07:39.520 up in Scotland. There's a lot of Catholics around, and 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:42.040 I have friends who are Catholics, and so it wasn't 0:07:42.080 --> 0:07:44.920 mysterious to me. But I didn't really have much contact 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:46.560 with anyone who was in Greek Orthodoxy. 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:51.800 And as I was reading about the it really I. 0:07:51.760 --> 0:07:56.880 Became fascinated by it because of being sober. Oh yeah, 0:07:56.920 --> 0:08:00.880 and sobriety was something that they. 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:01.640 Were interested in. 0:08:01.720 --> 0:08:03.560 It's not part of anything I do, but I was, 0:08:04.160 --> 0:08:07.720 you know, being sober in terms of a sober mind 0:08:07.800 --> 0:08:12.120 and a sober soul in sobriety, not just the absence 0:08:12.200 --> 0:08:17.800 of whatever it ales, right, but actual sober thought is 0:08:17.840 --> 0:08:20.720 something that they talk about the early and I became 0:08:20.760 --> 0:08:25.040 fascinated by the Desert Fathers, and in particular, someone who 0:08:25.280 --> 0:08:28.440 was I believe connected to the Greek Orthodox or is 0:08:28.760 --> 0:08:32.439 celebrated in the Greek Orthodox Church, is Evagrius of Pontus. 0:08:32.440 --> 0:08:33.680 Have you heard of him now? 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:38.080 He's fascinating figure. He was a theologian, he was a 0:08:38.120 --> 0:08:41.280 desert father, so it was his pre Roman Christianity and 0:08:41.320 --> 0:08:43.880 these esthetics they go out and they kind of was 0:08:44.000 --> 0:08:48.320 like it, really, it's a mirror of Christ's forty days 0:08:48.320 --> 0:08:49.679 in the wilderness and they lived that. 0:08:49.800 --> 0:08:51.080 But they lived there all the time. 0:08:51.120 --> 0:08:53.880 Saint Anthony lived there, you know, and all that and 0:08:54.480 --> 0:08:59.160 what it became. Evagrius was a theologian. Pontus I think 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:01.560 was like normal on Turkey or something. I mean, everything 0:09:01.640 --> 0:09:07.280 was all different. And he came up with the eight thoughts, 0:09:07.559 --> 0:09:10.360 eight demons that will separate you from the divine. 0:09:10.520 --> 0:09:11.600 Oh, I love this. 0:09:11.800 --> 0:09:14.439 It's fascinating. And the eight thoughts are and you recognize 0:09:14.480 --> 0:09:15.800 them when I start saying them. 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:20.200 They are sloth, avarice, lust, you know. 0:09:20.320 --> 0:09:23.920 And suddenly it's the seven deadly sins, right, and the 0:09:23.960 --> 0:09:25.040 seven deadly sins coming. 0:09:25.200 --> 0:09:28.200 He's got eight eight well, he put and this is 0:09:28.200 --> 0:09:31.520 what I love. I've edited out sadness. 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:34.880 And sloth were put in together, and I thought, though 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:38.240 that kind of makes sense too. Wow. But they thought 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:43.120 about demons in the way that we talk about kind 0:09:43.160 --> 0:09:46.760 of psychosis or or stuff or addictions or stuff. And 0:09:46.800 --> 0:09:49.480 I just became fascinated by that, and I started wandering 0:09:49.480 --> 0:09:51.720 into it. And I knew when you were coming in today, 0:09:51.760 --> 0:09:53.679 I thought, oh, no, you are. I don't know how 0:09:53.679 --> 0:09:55.120 connected you are to your church though. 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:56.560 Are you very you are? 0:09:56.679 --> 0:09:56.800 Oh? 0:09:56.880 --> 0:09:59.640 Yeah, good, so I can ask you lots about it. 0:09:59.760 --> 0:10:02.080 You can and asked me lots about it, but I 0:10:02.120 --> 0:10:04.440 don't know how informed I'll be about it. 0:10:04.440 --> 0:10:06.800 All right, So to be fair, you're not speaking in 0:10:06.840 --> 0:10:07.920 an official capacity. 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:11.640 Okay, right, Yes, did you get married in the Greek church? 0:10:12.720 --> 0:10:15.959 In the church that I got married? It's here in Hollywood, 0:10:16.400 --> 0:10:20.959 Saint Sophia Cathedral. It's the church I was baptized in that, 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:25.959 my sister got married in, that I baptized my nieces 0:10:26.000 --> 0:10:31.240 in that I got married in, baptized my granddaughters in, 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:34.960 and then also did the rituals from my mom and 0:10:35.000 --> 0:10:38.720 my dad there. So it's kind of like it's been 0:10:39.080 --> 0:10:39.840 all my life. 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:44.240 They must get so much money out of you, but. 0:10:45.480 --> 0:10:46.280 We won't stay. 0:10:46.400 --> 0:10:49.400 That's a church, didn't they does the dogs? 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:52.760 Does it have the Eucharist? Does it have everything? All right? 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:55.760 We have all the sacraments, so we have all of 0:10:55.800 --> 0:10:59.880 the We don't have a wafer, but we actually do 0:11:00.160 --> 0:11:02.280 bread and wine. 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:05.160 All right? And do you believe in transubstantiations? 0:11:05.200 --> 0:11:08.319 Okay? Now, now this is where I'm probably going to 0:11:08.400 --> 0:11:11.400 get beat up by you know, I don't know critics, 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:15.959 but oh god, you know, we still do the sipping 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:20.440 of the wine, the communal cup, and during COVID, I 0:11:20.640 --> 0:11:22.839 just stopped taking communion because I was. 0:11:22.880 --> 0:11:25.760 Looking, that's okay, I can't do this. 0:11:26.000 --> 0:11:26.520 I just. 0:11:28.080 --> 0:11:31.840 Were an early adopter of cod exactly. 0:11:32.080 --> 0:11:34.400 You guys were like, I was like, that is fast. 0:11:34.640 --> 0:11:35.680 You guys are very good. 0:11:35.720 --> 0:11:37.080 We were the first counsel of COVID. 0:11:37.240 --> 0:11:38.800 What that was? That was? 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:41.160 I mean, you go to in Australia, right, Yes, I 0:11:41.200 --> 0:11:43.440 remember reading about it because I was like, oh my 0:11:43.480 --> 0:11:45.880 god that First of all, I didn't even know that 0:11:45.960 --> 0:11:49.280 it was in Australia. Nobody knew if you were going. 0:11:49.200 --> 0:11:53.840 To dive from it nobody, Yes, but nobody knew. It 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:59.880 was all terrifying and strange. But I have enormous faith 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:00.960 in my chart. 0:12:01.360 --> 0:12:02.200 Yeah. 0:12:02.240 --> 0:12:07.920 And at the same time, there is science that says 0:12:08.960 --> 0:12:11.800 maybe you don't want to be sipping off of a 0:12:11.840 --> 0:12:13.960 spoon during COVID. 0:12:14.080 --> 0:12:15.040 I think that's okay. 0:12:15.200 --> 0:12:19.520 And also that I don't know what the ritual is 0:12:19.559 --> 0:12:22.480 in Greek Orthodoxy, and I'm not entirely sure, but I 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:26.240 don't think it has to be communal, or maybe it does, because. 0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:30.040 It was going to be like it's just been the 0:12:30.080 --> 0:12:33.280 way it's always been, right, Well, interesting, kid, it was 0:12:33.400 --> 0:12:36.200 like that. You know, I literally have gone to church 0:12:36.320 --> 0:12:40.000 early for communion on the most obscure like if it's 0:12:40.040 --> 0:12:44.880 during Holy Week, the most obscure morning service, that I 0:12:44.880 --> 0:12:46.800 can take communion and I will get there and I 0:12:46.840 --> 0:12:49.160 will sit in the front row and I will be 0:12:49.240 --> 0:12:51.280 the first person up for communion. 0:12:52.240 --> 0:12:57.200 You want to get to that before anybody. I think 0:12:57.240 --> 0:13:01.560 that's very wide, but it does kind of Can. 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:04.160 I ask you something, yeah, question, how long have you 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:04.800 been sober? 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:08.959 Thirty one years? And I'm happy to say that, Oh 0:13:08.960 --> 0:13:11.319 my god, Yeah, I got sober when I was twenty nine. 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:13.560 That's incredible. 0:13:13.760 --> 0:13:15.120 Yeah, it is. 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:18.240 It's actually it's one of the reasons why I become 0:13:18.280 --> 0:13:20.959 fascinated with religion, because the longer I'm sober, the more 0:13:21.000 --> 0:13:22.200 I think that's kind. 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:22.720 Of a miracle. 0:13:23.160 --> 0:13:26.000 And it is a miracle, kind of I don't really know. 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:28.280 I mean, it is kind of a miracle. I don't 0:13:28.320 --> 0:13:33.120 know how it really happened. And I find myself, you know, 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:36.480 interested in these things completely curious. 0:13:36.840 --> 0:13:39.520 I do think it is one of the things that 0:13:39.760 --> 0:13:42.160 I can only think of the word miracle when it 0:13:42.200 --> 0:13:46.560 comes to that, because it's like I have seen people 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:50.160 transform their lives. Sure, and it's because of that. You know, 0:13:50.280 --> 0:13:53.440 it's like one day you're this and the next day 0:13:53.640 --> 0:13:56.920 you're somebody completely different. Well, it's and the day after 0:13:57.000 --> 0:13:57.640 and the day after. 0:13:57.880 --> 0:14:00.559 The reasons why I became fascinated by it because and 0:14:00.720 --> 0:14:04.320 being sober and trying to remain sober and trying to 0:14:04.360 --> 0:14:09.199 improve your sobriety, I guess is that I became interested 0:14:09.200 --> 0:14:11.679 in what happened before. You know, in my case, there 0:14:11.720 --> 0:14:14.000 was an organization which I wouldn't mention for the reason 0:14:14.040 --> 0:14:16.839 of the traditions, but it came into being in the 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:17.840 mid nineteen. 0:14:17.559 --> 0:14:19.280 Thirties and the warham Before that. 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:22.000 Of course, there were temperance movements and all that kind 0:14:22.040 --> 0:14:24.440 of thing before that. But there was an amazing story 0:14:24.480 --> 0:14:27.400 about do you know the story about Roland Hazard. No. 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:31.320 Roland Hazard was a drunk. 0:14:31.000 --> 0:14:34.520 From a rich family in the northeast of America in 0:14:34.520 --> 0:14:37.600 the nineteen I think it was been nineteen thirties, I 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:40.320 guess ely thirties, and he was a hopeless case. And 0:14:40.360 --> 0:14:43.320 eventually the Hazard family, because they had a lot of money, 0:14:43.360 --> 0:14:45.880 sent them to be treated by Carl Young. 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:49.200 That's a different kind of rehabity. 0:14:48.840 --> 0:14:51.440 It's crazy, right, So they sent him to Roland has 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:54.440 to be treated by Carl Jung. But before that they 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:57.280 had asked Freud and Adler if they would take them, 0:14:57.280 --> 0:14:59.320 and they were like that. He drunks, there's nothing we 0:14:59.320 --> 0:15:03.240 can do, and they're hopeless. So they sent Roland to 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:07.280 Carl Young. Roland hazard works for a year with Carl Young, 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:10.560 and Carl Jung says, I think I think you're good 0:15:10.560 --> 0:15:10.800 to go. 0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:14.200 I don't know enough about it. Good luck. So Roland 0:15:14.240 --> 0:15:15.640 makes it as far he was in Switzerland. 0:15:15.640 --> 0:15:18.840 He gets as far as Paris, he gets drunk and 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:23.120 he goes back again. He says to Carl Jung, I 0:15:23.120 --> 0:15:24.960 don't know what to do. Am I going to And 0:15:24.960 --> 0:15:26.400 Cary Young says, I think you're going to die. I 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:29.080 don't think that's what I can do. And he said 0:15:29.120 --> 0:15:31.240 there's there nothing, And Carl Young said, well, look, once 0:15:31.280 --> 0:15:36.160 in a while, like Saint Paul on the Road to Damascus, 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:41.840 a person has a religious experience ignacious of Loyola or 0:15:41.960 --> 0:15:46.560 you know, something like that, and they a profound spiritual 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:50.520 change that so affects their psyche that they can stay sober. 0:15:51.400 --> 0:15:53.520 But unless you get that, I don't know how it's 0:15:53.560 --> 0:15:56.440 going to happen. And so what Roland Hazard. He comes 0:15:56.480 --> 0:15:58.960 back to America, he joins the Oxford Group. The Oxford 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:02.760 Group morph into the organization that I'm you know, talking about, 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:07.600 and they start to try and recreate. Bill Wilson, who 0:16:07.600 --> 0:16:11.240 founded Alcoholics Anonymous, starts to try and recreate through a 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:16.240 series of steps, a profound psychic change that mimics what 0:16:16.680 --> 0:16:21.240 was a religious experience before that in order to alter 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:23.800 the psyche of the alcoholics so much that they can 0:16:23.840 --> 0:16:24.520 stay sober. 0:16:24.680 --> 0:16:27.920 Wow, isn't that fascinating? And he did that well? I 0:16:27.960 --> 0:16:28.760 think in my case. 0:16:28.840 --> 0:16:37.400 Yes, Hello, this is Craig Ferguson and I want to 0:16:37.480 --> 0:16:39.280 let you know I have a brand new stand up 0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:43.560 comedy special out now on YouTube. It's called I'm So Happy, 0:16:44.080 --> 0:16:47.200 and I would be so happy if you checked it out. 0:16:47.520 --> 0:16:49.720 To watch the special, just go to my YouTube channel 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:52.880 at the Craig Ferguson Show And is this right there? 0:16:53.240 --> 0:16:55.920 Just click it and play it and it's free. I 0:16:55.960 --> 0:16:56.440 can't look. 0:16:56.480 --> 0:16:57.800 I'm not going to come around your house and show 0:16:57.800 --> 0:16:59.120 you how to do it. If you can't do it, 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:00.680 then you can't have it. But if you can figure 0:17:00.720 --> 0:17:05.320 it out, it's yours. 0:17:05.960 --> 0:17:07.760 The psychic change. 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:10.639 There are cars because this is not really about me, 0:17:10.760 --> 0:17:15.199 but but I'm interested because you're a religious person, and 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:18.440 you've always been a religious person. Has there ever been 0:17:18.440 --> 0:17:22.760 a point where you've thought, I don't believe it. I 0:17:22.760 --> 0:17:26.040 don't believe it. It's no, so you haven't had to 0:17:26.200 --> 0:17:28.080 make that that tarn. 0:17:28.720 --> 0:17:33.800 No, my mom was really the person who was the 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:38.280 bringer of the faith, right, my dad, he must have 0:17:38.880 --> 0:17:41.640 Chris made it or converted before he married. My mom 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:46.119 converted because chrismation is if you are already baptized in 0:17:46.880 --> 0:17:49.520 a religion, but you're going to get married in the 0:17:49.520 --> 0:17:53.120 Greek Orthodox Church, right, or not married because you can. 0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:56.479 You can get married if you're Christian. You don't have 0:17:56.520 --> 0:17:58.440 to be Greek Orthodox to get married in the church. 0:17:58.760 --> 0:18:01.320 Chrismation is if you want to convert from let's say 0:18:01.320 --> 0:18:06.360 Catholicism to Greek Orthodoxy. So that's kind of slightly different. 0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:08.879 Than was your dad a Christian? 0:18:09.040 --> 0:18:13.320 So my dad must have converted in order to get 0:18:13.400 --> 0:18:18.000 married in the church. But after he died, I did 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:19.720 a TV show called Who Do You Think You Are? 0:18:20.040 --> 0:18:23.560 The Genealogy Show, and we went back to his village 0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:32.920 and everyone everyone was Muslim, okay everyone, and my dad 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:37.640 always explained it this way. He said that where he 0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:40.199 was from, he was born in Greece, and where he 0:18:40.320 --> 0:18:47.159 was from the area was always being occupied by some people, 0:18:47.480 --> 0:18:51.400 and for many many years, obviously it was the Ottoman Empire, 0:18:52.080 --> 0:18:57.160 and during that time, my dad said that many years back, 0:18:57.280 --> 0:19:02.000 they were Christians, and during the Ottoman Empire they were 0:19:02.040 --> 0:19:06.200 sort of told that they had to change their religion, 0:19:06.480 --> 0:19:10.199 convert to Islam, and also to change their names to 0:19:10.320 --> 0:19:12.320 sound more Islamic. 0:19:12.640 --> 0:19:12.880 Wow. 0:19:13.080 --> 0:19:18.080 So I think that with Wilson because that was the 0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:20.639 street we lived on when my dad became a citizen 0:19:20.680 --> 0:19:21.560 of the United States. 0:19:21.720 --> 0:19:24.040 You like, that's just is that why? 0:19:24.119 --> 0:19:27.760 You know, that's not the reason why the ball is Wilson, 0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:29.040 And I think. 0:19:28.880 --> 0:19:29.720 That it is. 0:19:30.160 --> 0:19:31.160 Yes, I mean. 0:19:32.680 --> 0:19:34.920 I feel like I just really. 0:19:34.920 --> 0:19:38.960 Profound No, because there's the name. 0:19:38.840 --> 0:19:39.160 Of the. 0:19:40.600 --> 0:19:44.080 Well, there's there's a Wilson brand, there's a Spaulding and 0:19:44.119 --> 0:19:44.760 there's a light. 0:19:45.119 --> 0:19:50.600 I think, yeah, I think that's lovely. 0:19:51.119 --> 0:19:55.480 But it's just like I feel like I'm weirdly excited 0:19:55.640 --> 0:19:56.160 by that. 0:19:56.440 --> 0:19:59.040 There's something very human about it, and I think that's great. 0:20:00.160 --> 0:20:01.000 Great, it is great. 0:20:01.119 --> 0:20:01.840 It is great. 0:20:01.920 --> 0:20:05.399 So that was it, And then you know, I met 0:20:05.440 --> 0:20:09.240 so many of my relatives who are Muslim, and it 0:20:09.320 --> 0:20:11.920 was just so interesting to me because my dad never 0:20:12.440 --> 0:20:15.960 really talked about it. He didn't you know. There was 0:20:16.000 --> 0:20:18.280 a lot of things I found out about my dad then, 0:20:18.560 --> 0:20:20.280 you know, after he passed. 0:20:20.040 --> 0:20:23.879 Away, was well, your dad was an immigrant, and was 0:20:23.920 --> 0:20:24.920 your mom an emigrant too. 0:20:24.960 --> 0:20:28.679 My mom was actually born in New York, right, and 0:20:28.720 --> 0:20:33.560 then raised in a little tiny village She's Greek, on 0:20:33.640 --> 0:20:36.960 the border of Albania and Greece. And when the war 0:20:37.040 --> 0:20:39.840 broke out, well, first they went there when she was 0:20:40.160 --> 0:20:44.800 four years old and her father died and so her 0:20:44.800 --> 0:20:49.040 mom my yeah, yeah, grandmother was left with four kids. 0:20:49.320 --> 0:20:51.320 And the relatives in New York said, what are you 0:20:51.320 --> 0:20:54.480 going to do a widow with four children in New York. 0:20:54.600 --> 0:20:56.959 Stay in the village and we'll send money back to you, 0:20:57.400 --> 0:21:01.840 because my grandfather had a business in New York, and 0:21:01.960 --> 0:21:05.040 so they stayed, and over the years, I think money 0:21:05.080 --> 0:21:09.000 stopped being sent. And then around the time of the 0:21:09.160 --> 0:21:12.400 end of the war and also the beginning of the 0:21:12.440 --> 0:21:16.720 civil unrest in Greece, they knew it was time to 0:21:16.720 --> 0:21:19.399 get out, and so they couldn't just walk the border. 0:21:20.040 --> 0:21:24.080 Even though my mom was an American citizen. So they 0:21:24.160 --> 0:21:28.360 had to escape and climb over these mountains and make 0:21:28.400 --> 0:21:33.000 their way onto the Greece side of the border, and 0:21:33.040 --> 0:21:36.000 then eventually made their way to Athens, renewed their passports, 0:21:36.119 --> 0:21:40.240 and then took a ship over to And my dad 0:21:40.280 --> 0:21:44.200 has an amazing story too. My dad's story is that 0:21:44.480 --> 0:21:47.560 he I didn't know any of this until I did 0:21:47.600 --> 0:21:48.200 that show. 0:21:48.520 --> 0:21:50.359 So you, as a kid, you don't know this about 0:21:50.520 --> 0:21:51.399 your mother and father. 0:21:51.680 --> 0:21:54.360 I knew this about my mother. I did not know. 0:21:54.520 --> 0:21:58.919 I knew that my father was in a labor camp. 0:22:00.280 --> 0:22:04.560 I did not know. There was an earlier part of 0:22:04.600 --> 0:22:08.960 the story, which was he was in the army, the 0:22:09.000 --> 0:22:12.840 Bulgarian army, and while he was at the Bulgarian army, 0:22:13.840 --> 0:22:19.000 he saw Seltzer bottles right right from somewhere, and he 0:22:19.119 --> 0:22:22.480 took the twelve There were twelve Seltzer bottles, and he 0:22:22.520 --> 0:22:25.879 took them. And knowing what I know about my dad, 0:22:26.119 --> 0:22:29.480 he only did things for other people, so I thought 0:22:29.640 --> 0:22:32.520 he must have had a reason for doing this. And 0:22:32.600 --> 0:22:37.919 my grandfather, he was a hunter, and he had a 0:22:38.000 --> 0:22:41.720 hunting lodge, let's call it a small lodge in the 0:22:41.760 --> 0:22:46.720 mountains in the Rhodope Mountains of Bulgaria, and I think 0:22:46.800 --> 0:22:49.440 he must have thought, oh, my dad could use these 0:22:49.440 --> 0:22:53.320 bottles for when he's out on a hunting trip. Anyways, 0:22:53.359 --> 0:22:56.480 he was arrested, he was court martialed, and he was 0:22:56.520 --> 0:23:01.880 sentenced to a prison for taking a empty park three years, Yes, three. 0:23:01.760 --> 0:23:03.560 Years in prison for take an empty bottle. 0:23:03.720 --> 0:23:06.960 Yes, exactly. They were trying to make an example of him. 0:23:07.800 --> 0:23:10.479 Could the great bottle thieving Yeah, exactly. 0:23:10.560 --> 0:23:13.440 It was all about bottle theater. I mean they had 0:23:13.480 --> 0:23:16.560 all the documents there, so it wasn't like there was 0:23:16.720 --> 0:23:20.560 there wasn't anything being hidden. It was just literally and 0:23:20.640 --> 0:23:26.600 this prison was very, very dangerous and treacherous. Anyways, he 0:23:26.640 --> 0:23:32.399 gets out and he meets a girl and they get married, right, 0:23:32.840 --> 0:23:39.240 and she gets pregnant and I knew none of this and. 0:23:39.240 --> 0:23:41.320 This is not your mom. They were talking no, oh 0:23:41.359 --> 0:23:41.919 my no. 0:23:42.800 --> 0:23:47.679 And she delivers a baby on December twenty sixth. I 0:23:47.680 --> 0:23:51.880 want you to remember that, okay. And so on December 0:23:51.880 --> 0:23:58.479 twenty ninth, she dies from complications of childbirth, things that 0:23:58.560 --> 0:24:00.640 nowadays modern medicine would be able to take care. 0:24:00.640 --> 0:24:02.480 Of course, So. 0:24:04.200 --> 0:24:07.480 My dad is now the father of an infant. He's 0:24:07.600 --> 0:24:13.680 living with his in laws. The tragedy of this beautiful 0:24:13.800 --> 0:24:18.359 young woman dying and this little baby. So this was 0:24:18.400 --> 0:24:22.320 after the war. I don't know how they kept that 0:24:22.400 --> 0:24:26.439 baby alive, because what do you do. There's no milk, 0:24:26.560 --> 0:24:30.399 there's no formula. They could barely have enough bread to eat. 0:24:30.920 --> 0:24:34.920 And four months later the baby died and his name 0:24:34.960 --> 0:24:35.520 was a Meal. 0:24:36.680 --> 0:24:40.880 It's so like, so crazy, sad story. 0:24:40.720 --> 0:24:43.840 Very sad, and I think this is one of the 0:24:43.880 --> 0:24:45.880 reasons why my dad was like, I'm out of here. 0:24:45.880 --> 0:24:48.400 I'm getting out of Bulgaria, and he tried. 0:24:48.400 --> 0:24:49.720 I never knew any of it. 0:24:49.840 --> 0:24:54.200 I never knew anything. But what's ironic is my sister's 0:24:54.359 --> 0:24:58.800 first child was born on December twenty sixth, and my 0:24:59.400 --> 0:25:03.000 second son was born on December twenty sixth, and I 0:25:03.040 --> 0:25:07.040 always thought on Christmas and that next day, which was 0:25:07.080 --> 0:25:10.680 always a big celebration in our family, that my dad 0:25:11.000 --> 0:25:15.200 was must have been thinking about his firstborn son, Emil 0:25:15.600 --> 0:25:19.280 and knowing that, like, yeah, what what is this about. 0:25:19.320 --> 0:25:22.199 I have baby? Everybody in my family's having babies on 0:25:22.240 --> 0:25:23.360 December twenty sixth. 0:25:23.600 --> 0:25:28.080 It's funny my wife has a grandfather who has It's 0:25:28.160 --> 0:25:31.040 not the same story in it, but he was from 0:25:31.040 --> 0:25:35.280 a country that no longer exists in that area, the 0:25:35.359 --> 0:25:39.000 Republic of something or something, and he came over and 0:25:39.040 --> 0:25:42.040 they could never find out what he did. But he 0:25:42.040 --> 0:25:45.959 would always carry cash. And he had a farm in Massachusetts, 0:25:46.160 --> 0:25:49.080 and he would always carry cash in the so for alls, 0:25:49.160 --> 0:25:51.879 just in case, just in case, because you never knows 0:25:52.400 --> 0:25:53.440 the fear run. 0:25:53.680 --> 0:25:56.560 Nothing takes away that fears. No, it's true. 0:25:57.080 --> 0:26:01.359 It's strange because you don't get free of it. I 0:26:01.400 --> 0:26:04.960 was talking to you know, Dik Shepherd. 0:26:05.400 --> 0:26:06.960 Yeah, Dyks loved dad. 0:26:07.240 --> 0:26:09.520 He's great. I was talking to him the other day. 0:26:09.560 --> 0:26:13.359 And he grew up in kind of difficult circumstances in Troy, 0:26:13.560 --> 0:26:18.359 and and I grew up not rich either. And I 0:26:18.400 --> 0:26:21.200 don't think that feeling ever leaves you. It doesn't matter 0:26:21.240 --> 0:26:23.480 how much money you make, you know, it's like, no, 0:26:25.000 --> 0:26:26.200 keep some aside face. 0:26:26.359 --> 0:26:29.840 My dad was a bartender, and so he would work 0:26:30.480 --> 0:26:33.280 and bring you know, he would get tips, and so 0:26:33.359 --> 0:26:36.280 he would bring the tips home in a Crown Royal 0:26:36.480 --> 0:26:43.000 felt bag, you know, yes, okay, And on Saturday mornings, 0:26:43.040 --> 0:26:45.439 we would spread out all the coins on the kitchen 0:26:45.520 --> 0:26:49.239 table and we would take the quarters and put him 0:26:49.240 --> 0:26:51.879 in the little bank rolls of coins. 0:26:52.080 --> 0:26:55.600 Right, I would still do this totally. It was like this. 0:26:55.760 --> 0:26:59.879 Meditative Yeah, he would do that, And that's why I 0:27:00.000 --> 0:27:03.359 always think like, wow, you know, you've got to take 0:27:03.440 --> 0:27:06.080 care of the people who are in those positions that 0:27:06.800 --> 0:27:08.879 you know they're going home with those tips and taking 0:27:08.920 --> 0:27:12.400 those tips to their families and putting them in rolls 0:27:12.640 --> 0:27:16.119 and making a living out of it. By my mom 0:27:16.560 --> 0:27:20.280 used to keep a secret money in her wallet, like 0:27:20.440 --> 0:27:23.960 twenty dollars, and I'm like, but it's not secret because 0:27:23.960 --> 0:27:26.560 you put it there. I know, I know, but it 0:27:26.640 --> 0:27:29.760 wasn't in the part where she would actually access it. 0:27:29.720 --> 0:27:32.280 Right right in the bed behind your driver's license. Yeah. 0:27:33.200 --> 0:27:36.639 My dad would take money and he would put it 0:27:36.960 --> 0:27:40.520 in a lead pipe, so he would just like whatever 0:27:40.600 --> 0:27:42.640 bills he would like. It was like his bank account. 0:27:42.920 --> 0:27:44.960 He would put it in a lead pipe that had 0:27:45.359 --> 0:27:50.320 screws lids on each end in case there was a fire. 0:27:55.160 --> 0:28:00.359 You growing up, Yes, it's crazy if you grew up 0:28:00.400 --> 0:28:03.399 the child of immigrants with a shocking story. 0:28:03.440 --> 0:28:04.560 But in Hollywood. 0:28:04.600 --> 0:28:08.119 So I feel like I always believed in them, not 0:28:08.200 --> 0:28:10.760 believed in the myth. That sounds wrong, but I was 0:28:10.760 --> 0:28:15.600 always much more impressed by Hollywood and hollywood ness until 0:28:15.640 --> 0:28:17.159 I started doing the late night show and then you 0:28:17.280 --> 0:28:19.520 just meet everybody and then you just realize it's like, 0:28:19.960 --> 0:28:22.200 you know, the doushe dementsion ratio was just the same 0:28:22.200 --> 0:28:23.760 as it as everywhere else in the world. 0:28:23.920 --> 0:28:25.879 Some people are great, some people are asshole, isn't it? 0:28:25.920 --> 0:28:28.880 And it's fine, right, But until that point I had 0:28:28.960 --> 0:28:31.160 there was a mistique about Hollywood that. 0:28:31.359 --> 0:28:32.720 I really believed in. 0:28:33.240 --> 0:28:35.959 Did you not never have that because you grew up 0:28:35.960 --> 0:28:39.120 here or did it crumble over time like it led 0:28:39.200 --> 0:28:39.440 for me? 0:28:39.720 --> 0:28:43.000 No, it was just my hometown, right, and I knew 0:28:43.000 --> 0:28:45.400 that people came here from all over the world to 0:28:45.440 --> 0:28:48.120 pursue their dreams, but this was my hometown. I went 0:28:48.120 --> 0:28:51.120 to Hollywood High School Lacante Junior High which is right 0:28:51.160 --> 0:28:55.320 down the street. Right Hollywood Boulevard was where we would 0:28:55.320 --> 0:28:58.600 go and get back to school clothes, your bike. 0:28:59.080 --> 0:29:02.920 Yeah you can't do that, Hollywood Bilevard Nolly. 0:29:03.560 --> 0:29:05.680 It's a completely different looking for. 0:29:05.840 --> 0:29:06.880 A different kind of school. 0:29:06.920 --> 0:29:07.480 Yeah, it's. 0:29:10.040 --> 0:29:12.360 And we would go to movies at the Chinese Theater 0:29:12.760 --> 0:29:15.680 and go to Musso and Franks on a special occasion, 0:29:16.440 --> 0:29:21.400 and it was just home. But I started modeling first 0:29:21.480 --> 0:29:23.920 at fourteen years old, right here at Hollywood High School, 0:29:23.960 --> 0:29:25.120 I was discovered. 0:29:26.840 --> 0:29:30.120 Quotation took me through the discovery back a little bit. 0:29:30.240 --> 0:29:35.840 It was first day of school. Yeah, it was kind 0:29:35.840 --> 0:29:38.120 of like that, except they were legit. They were from 0:29:38.160 --> 0:29:40.960 Harper's Bizarre magazine, but I didn't know that at the time, 0:29:41.000 --> 0:29:44.160 and the photographer was a very famous photographer nowadays he's 0:29:44.160 --> 0:29:48.120 still alive. His name's Albert Watson. He's incredible, right Scottish, 0:29:48.160 --> 0:29:51.480 I believe is he really is, and so is his wife, 0:29:51.560 --> 0:29:56.280 I think. So he saw me walking and asked, they 0:29:56.320 --> 0:29:57.960 had permission from the school to be there if you 0:29:57.960 --> 0:29:58.920 could take some pictures. 0:29:58.920 --> 0:30:03.360 I was tak but that we get a little She's 0:30:03.600 --> 0:30:07.440 very beautiful. 0:30:06.200 --> 0:30:08.280 And so they took some pictures and he asked the 0:30:08.280 --> 0:30:10.600 next day if we could arrange another time to meet, 0:30:10.720 --> 0:30:14.239 and so we did and took more pictures, and that 0:30:14.400 --> 0:30:17.320 ended up being the first modeling job I ever had, 0:30:17.320 --> 0:30:20.200 which was for Harper's Bizarre magazine, which is very swanky, 0:30:20.560 --> 0:30:23.520 very swanky, very very swanky. It was the year eighteen 0:30:23.600 --> 0:30:26.000 year Old's Got the Vote. Okay, so it was there 0:30:26.560 --> 0:30:30.880 nineteen seventy two January nineteen seventy two issue No. 0:30:31.000 --> 0:30:32.600 I believe is that when eighteen year olds go to 0:30:32.600 --> 0:30:34.040 the vote here. Yeah. Yeah. 0:30:35.080 --> 0:30:39.280 So but after that I just started working and the 0:30:39.320 --> 0:30:42.640 first job I got to get my screen Hunters Guild 0:30:42.680 --> 0:30:46.320 card was the Brady Bunch and that was at Paramount Studios. 0:30:46.400 --> 0:30:50.720 Now still to this day, if I walk into a driving, 0:30:50.760 --> 0:30:53.360 into a studio, walk into a sound stage, I have 0:30:53.560 --> 0:30:59.680 that feeling of its magic. It's a very specific smell 0:31:00.360 --> 0:31:05.960 exactly climate. It's a volume of height, it's the color 0:31:06.040 --> 0:31:09.800 of the walls, it's the energy. Now like certain studios 0:31:09.840 --> 0:31:12.880 are putting plaques on the outsides of their sound stages 0:31:12.960 --> 0:31:16.240 like this is what was filmed here, and it's fantastic, 0:31:16.280 --> 0:31:18.280 And all good things have always happened to me at 0:31:18.280 --> 0:31:22.240 Paramount Studios, So I love Paramount Studios. So it was 0:31:22.280 --> 0:31:28.440 a trippy thing because I don't know why this. I 0:31:28.600 --> 0:31:32.680 was lucky. But with all of that that I was 0:31:32.760 --> 0:31:35.040 exposed to, and all the different kinds of people that 0:31:35.120 --> 0:31:40.560 I was exposed to, I never had anything terrible happened 0:31:40.640 --> 0:31:43.560 to me in La. I mean it was just like. 0:31:43.880 --> 0:31:46.520 I wonder if that's because you knew the neighborhood. 0:31:46.960 --> 0:31:49.480 I mean, like not just knew the neighborhood, like the 0:31:49.480 --> 0:31:53.719 streets but you like, if you grew up amongst it, 0:31:53.760 --> 0:31:57.640 if you're kind of you speak the language almost well. 0:31:57.920 --> 0:32:00.360 I think if people come here, particularly young women, if 0:32:00.560 --> 0:32:02.800 young women come here and they're white eyed and they're 0:32:02.920 --> 0:32:05.760 you know, it may bee maybe attracts. 0:32:05.920 --> 0:32:06.400 I don't know. 0:32:06.960 --> 0:32:08.720 I don't know. I mean because I had a lot 0:32:08.720 --> 0:32:12.200 of friends that bad things happened to. Yeah, so, and 0:32:12.320 --> 0:32:20.880 yes they did come from other places. But look, it. 0:32:19.440 --> 0:32:21.440 Has it changed? Has the time changed? Do you think 0:32:22.320 --> 0:32:22.960 has it changed? 0:32:23.600 --> 0:32:27.480 I think it's much scarier now. It's much scarier now. 0:32:27.520 --> 0:32:31.160 There's just there's it feels like it's everywhere now, like 0:32:31.280 --> 0:32:32.680 the world is Holywood. 0:32:32.960 --> 0:32:36.920 Yeah, it's like there was still a some kind of 0:32:37.000 --> 0:32:39.600 accountability this. The town was not as big as it 0:32:39.640 --> 0:32:42.560 is now. For one thing. Now I think La is 0:32:42.560 --> 0:32:43.680 like twenty million. 0:32:43.520 --> 0:32:44.880 Just last people. 0:32:45.000 --> 0:32:46.960 That's like bigger than some countries. 0:32:47.080 --> 0:32:49.720 So four times the size of Scotland. 0:32:49.920 --> 0:32:55.560 Yes, exactly so. But I feel like, you know, there 0:32:55.560 --> 0:33:00.440 were things like the Christmas parade on Hollywood Boulevard. Dad, 0:33:00.440 --> 0:33:02.600 we would come down and you know'd pack up in 0:33:02.640 --> 0:33:05.640 the car. We'd park blocks away, and then you know, 0:33:05.680 --> 0:33:07.880 he'd carry me on his shoulders and we would wait 0:33:07.920 --> 0:33:12.000 for Nudy to come down in his Cadillac Nudy Nudy. 0:33:12.000 --> 0:33:13.960 It was a big Western guy. Did you ever like 0:33:13.960 --> 0:33:14.280 that guy? 0:33:14.440 --> 0:33:16.440 Nudy on Hollywood is a different. 0:33:16.280 --> 0:33:19.520 Nud Hollywood that goes back to that other kind of school. 0:33:21.920 --> 0:33:24.600 There was a I moved here in nineteen ninety five 0:33:24.640 --> 0:33:27.200 to Los Angeles, and even then there was a kind 0:33:27.240 --> 0:33:29.240 of sleepiness to the town. 0:33:29.360 --> 0:33:30.360 There was a change. 0:33:30.520 --> 0:33:33.560 It really did, yes, And I can't I can't quite 0:33:34.120 --> 0:33:37.480 tell when I think it's something to do with uber 0:33:37.760 --> 0:33:42.280 or smartphones or GPS or something something something happened. 0:33:41.920 --> 0:33:47.480 And yeah, really really different, or maybe I'd just go older, or. 0:33:47.440 --> 0:33:49.920 Maybe oh no, something did change. It would it would 0:33:49.920 --> 0:33:52.960 be so fascinating when somebody could analyze that and say 0:33:53.000 --> 0:33:55.360 what was the difference, Like what was that shift that 0:33:55.360 --> 0:33:59.160 that happened and why. I don't know. I really don't know. 0:33:59.240 --> 0:34:02.440 Maybe maybe phones or computers. Computers were out in what 0:34:02.600 --> 0:34:06.000 ninety six, ninety Yeah, I don't know. 0:34:06.120 --> 0:34:08.759 I think when people started, you know, there used to 0:34:08.760 --> 0:34:10.799 be the sign where you couldn't there was a sign 0:34:10.880 --> 0:34:12.359 that said no walking to the Hollywood sign. 0:34:12.400 --> 0:34:14.400 And I lived up in the hills, and yes, you can't. 0:34:14.239 --> 0:34:16.799 Walk to the Hollidays actually could walk to the Hollywood Sign, 0:34:16.840 --> 0:34:18.560 but they would put signs up saying that you couldn't, 0:34:18.560 --> 0:34:20.680 and you could wander up there, and that was always 0:34:20.719 --> 0:34:22.640 the walk that I I'd walk up man Hollywood and 0:34:22.640 --> 0:34:23.400 down by the observer. 0:34:25.040 --> 0:34:27.799 Great beautiful. Yeah, and I did it recently when I 0:34:27.840 --> 0:34:31.200 was here, and it's packed. Everybody knows where to go. Oh, 0:34:31.239 --> 0:34:35.240 you're kidding, it's packed. There's like people above the sign. 0:34:35.320 --> 0:34:37.560 There are all tourists up there. They all walk up there, 0:34:37.600 --> 0:34:40.680 and I mean, I get every right to go. It's 0:34:40.719 --> 0:34:41.759 just so many. 0:34:41.680 --> 0:34:44.520 Walked up to the Hollywood Sign. Born and raised. Don't 0:34:44.520 --> 0:34:46.919 even know how to get there. No, I don't even 0:34:46.960 --> 0:34:49.880 know how well. I wouldn't want to bother the neighbors 0:34:49.960 --> 0:34:50.279 up there. 0:34:50.440 --> 0:34:53.960 There's nobody up there but coyotes and yeah, well no 0:34:54.160 --> 0:34:55.880 tourists you missed you. 0:34:55.920 --> 0:34:59.839 Shut yeah, but I mean there were. I mean now 0:35:00.160 --> 0:35:02.040 is if you go there, I think it's very like 0:35:02.320 --> 0:35:05.280 it's rude, right, you don't want to disturb the residents 0:35:05.360 --> 0:35:06.120 and things like that. 0:35:06.760 --> 0:35:09.040 You can there's pass up to you can walk up 0:35:09.080 --> 0:35:10.279 to it from It's all right. 0:35:10.160 --> 0:35:12.680 And it might be rude, funny. I don't know. 0:35:13.000 --> 0:35:15.480 No, you can get up through canyon, and I'll tell 0:35:15.480 --> 0:35:19.080 you you can walk up through canyon the secret way 0:35:19.120 --> 0:35:20.440 up because the Batman. 0:35:20.120 --> 0:35:21.839 Caves are over there, the Batman Cave. 0:35:21.920 --> 0:35:24.440 Well, you just you go up past the Batman Caves 0:35:24.680 --> 0:35:27.200 and then you walk right. It's really steep, walk up 0:35:27.200 --> 0:35:29.279 the hill and then you walk over to the left 0:35:29.320 --> 0:35:29.920 and you're above the hold. 0:35:30.120 --> 0:35:33.080 Did you ever go horseback riding at Sunset Stables? I 0:35:34.120 --> 0:35:36.759 go over into Burbank for the night and. 0:35:36.719 --> 0:35:38.239 Then have you done that? 0:35:38.680 --> 0:35:38.879 Oh? 0:35:38.920 --> 0:35:39.680 I love that? 0:35:39.760 --> 0:35:42.280 It was so much fun. They still do it apparently. 0:35:42.400 --> 0:35:45.680 Yeah, I fell off a horse recently. Do you ride horses? 0:35:46.080 --> 0:35:47.080 I do. I love horses. 0:35:47.200 --> 0:35:47.920 I like horses too. 0:35:48.440 --> 0:35:50.040 But you write English. 0:35:50.400 --> 0:35:55.880 No, I have a Western saddle in Scotland. But my 0:35:55.960 --> 0:35:56.760 horse we put. 0:35:56.560 --> 0:36:00.000 The Western saddle on them, is very very very horse. 0:36:00.040 --> 0:36:05.200 See not in appearance, although no, she's not appearance. 0:36:05.000 --> 0:36:06.640 But she's gorgeous. 0:36:06.760 --> 0:36:10.560 She's gorgeous, but she's she has a beautiful pony. 0:36:10.920 --> 0:36:12.920 But we put this. 0:36:13.000 --> 0:36:15.600 I think they call it the girth on the English shaddle. 0:36:16.000 --> 0:36:16.279 They call it. 0:36:16.280 --> 0:36:17.960 They call it the girl, like the bridle or not 0:36:18.000 --> 0:36:19.440 the bridle, the girth, Yeah. 0:36:19.280 --> 0:36:22.280 The girl. So I think it was pinching his little 0:36:23.320 --> 0:36:23.879 leggy bit. 0:36:24.120 --> 0:36:27.960 Oh no, and he he buckd. He's only ever buked 0:36:27.960 --> 0:36:30.640 twice once. I saw it when he was lungeon I 0:36:30.680 --> 0:36:32.360 was lunging him, and then the other time I was 0:36:32.360 --> 0:36:33.600 on him and I came off. 0:36:33.640 --> 0:36:35.880 He's a big horse too. Wow. 0:36:36.120 --> 0:36:39.439 It was very and I'm sixty one years old. I've 0:36:39.480 --> 0:36:42.880 fallen off many horses, and I've noticed over the years 0:36:43.040 --> 0:36:47.799 that it hurts a lot more. 0:36:47.880 --> 0:36:49.399 Do you ever have an accident on your horse. 0:36:50.040 --> 0:36:54.520 I've been thrown from a horse, sure, but nothing that 0:36:54.920 --> 0:36:59.560 resulted in injury. My injuries are from the two times 0:36:59.560 --> 0:37:03.240 I tried snowboarding, because I ski hearts morning. 0:37:03.400 --> 0:37:04.640 Why you fall your. 0:37:06.200 --> 0:37:08.240 Your feet are stuck together on a board. 0:37:08.320 --> 0:37:09.160 You can't escape. 0:37:09.239 --> 0:37:09.479 No. 0:37:09.640 --> 0:37:11.239 It's like I like to say at the end of 0:37:11.239 --> 0:37:12.759 a rule in a movie theater in case I. 0:37:12.719 --> 0:37:14.880 Have to leave, and I feel the same about skiing 0:37:14.880 --> 0:37:18.880 and snowboarding. I don't want my feet exactly. I gotta 0:37:18.920 --> 0:37:22.640 go bye, Yeah, I gotta leave. Sorry, something came up. 0:37:22.800 --> 0:37:25.000 I go to leave. Do you let me ask you 0:37:25.000 --> 0:37:27.560 a question? Then, do you ever get a fear of flying? 0:37:28.920 --> 0:37:32.799 I used to I don't anymore to hear why. It 0:37:32.920 --> 0:37:37.600 was very specific. I had two friends, sorry, one friend, 0:37:38.600 --> 0:37:41.560 and he was in a plane crash. The crash, the 0:37:41.640 --> 0:37:45.520 plane went off the runway, the plane caught fire. Everybody 0:37:45.560 --> 0:37:50.520 got out and survived, so it had a happy But 0:37:50.560 --> 0:37:52.919 I called his wife when it happened and I said, 0:37:53.040 --> 0:37:56.440 oh my god, how was he doing? Oh my gosh, 0:37:56.480 --> 0:37:59.719 they're they're British. And I said, well, I said, that's 0:37:59.800 --> 0:38:03.560 why I don't fly. When the kids were little, Tom 0:38:03.600 --> 0:38:05.600 and I didn't fly on the same plane together. We 0:38:05.719 --> 0:38:08.719 take different flights and all that. And I said, you know, 0:38:08.840 --> 0:38:13.200 that's why we don't fly together. And she said, Darling, 0:38:14.640 --> 0:38:17.760 if you don't fly together, then you shouldn't really drive 0:38:17.840 --> 0:38:20.680 together because the chances of being in a car crash 0:38:20.719 --> 0:38:24.920 off far greater. And she was right, the statistics are 0:38:24.960 --> 0:38:25.840 actually true. 0:38:25.920 --> 0:38:26.920 Oh this static exactly. 0:38:27.080 --> 0:38:28.719 So that kind of calmed me. 0:38:28.880 --> 0:38:31.960 I was like, okay, the idea of you once the 0:38:32.000 --> 0:38:35.040 doors are closed, you hand the power over to someone 0:38:35.040 --> 0:38:36.800 else and that always. 0:38:36.800 --> 0:38:39.920 But I actually what I did is I learned to. 0:38:39.920 --> 0:38:42.320 Fly your own plane. 0:38:42.560 --> 0:38:43.520 Yeah I did. 0:38:43.960 --> 0:38:44.879 What did that do? 0:38:45.040 --> 0:38:47.600 But you know Kurt Russell? Yes, right, so car? You 0:38:47.680 --> 0:38:51.600 know cars like crazy? Yes, aviator? So I said to 0:38:51.680 --> 0:38:53.759 him he was on the old Late Night Show and 0:38:53.760 --> 0:38:55.520 I said, I'm frightened of flying. I know you left flying, 0:38:55.560 --> 0:38:58.080 and I'm frightened of flying. He said, you're not frightened 0:38:58.080 --> 0:39:01.239 to flying. You're just the control freak. And I went, 0:39:01.360 --> 0:39:04.040 that's not true, and I went, it is true. I 0:39:04.080 --> 0:39:05.280 read your book, and I went. 0:39:05.520 --> 0:39:06.400 You read my book. 0:39:08.239 --> 0:39:10.600 And then I ended up talking about the book because I 0:39:10.600 --> 0:39:12.439 was so excited that Kurt read my book. 0:39:12.480 --> 0:39:13.480 But he didn't forget. 0:39:14.480 --> 0:39:19.759 And so for my birthday, Meghan called up Kurt and said, hey, 0:39:19.840 --> 0:39:22.400 let's get him some flying lessons because I used to 0:39:22.400 --> 0:39:23.280 be terrified of flying. 0:39:23.520 --> 0:39:24.960 And he went great, and. 0:39:24.920 --> 0:39:26.799 He found a flying and struck a really gnarly old 0:39:26.800 --> 0:39:29.200 guy over at Vanny's Airport. It took me out and 0:39:29.280 --> 0:39:32.480 after about seven hours of flying instruction for me where 0:39:32.480 --> 0:39:35.239 I was terrified, Kurt said. 0:39:35.200 --> 0:39:35.960 You come up with me. 0:39:36.680 --> 0:39:40.080 I was like, oh God, So he has this super 0:39:40.080 --> 0:39:42.000 powerful plane. Right there's a tea. I don't know if 0:39:42.000 --> 0:39:43.800 he still has it, but he's a at a TBM 0:39:43.840 --> 0:39:44.400 seven hundred. 0:39:44.440 --> 0:39:45.640 It was like a rocket ship. 0:39:46.680 --> 0:39:49.960 And we go up to this plane and we fly 0:39:50.239 --> 0:39:52.880 just from Santa Monica over at Santa Maria Airport. 0:39:52.920 --> 0:39:53.520 It's done far. 0:39:54.120 --> 0:39:56.600 And as we're landing, there's a bit of a crosswind 0:39:56.600 --> 0:39:58.320 and he said, land the plane. 0:39:58.840 --> 0:40:01.480 I said, I I'm not ready for that. He went, well, 0:40:01.520 --> 0:40:02.240 I ain't doing. 0:40:02.040 --> 0:40:06.160 It, so and it eventually, you know, I did it 0:40:06.200 --> 0:40:08.399 and I got it close and then he took over 0:40:08.440 --> 0:40:12.600 and he landed the plane. Oh I was I was terrified. 0:40:13.600 --> 0:40:16.319 But you can't cry in from a snake. Plusken, he 0:40:16.320 --> 0:40:18.920 there's no, you can't, you know. But I went home 0:40:19.600 --> 0:40:22.120 and something cracked a little bit. I don't know what 0:40:22.200 --> 0:40:24.200 it was. When I went home, I was like, no, 0:40:24.320 --> 0:40:27.239 it's different. I understood the mechanics of it a little bit. 0:40:27.520 --> 0:40:30.640 So now, are you less afraid to fly in a 0:40:30.640 --> 0:40:31.400 commercial flight? 0:40:31.920 --> 0:40:32.120 Yeah? 0:40:32.640 --> 0:40:33.760 I would say that I am. 0:40:34.000 --> 0:40:35.400 Because you understand the mechanics. 0:40:35.480 --> 0:40:38.000 I understand how it works. Yeah, and I understand that. 0:40:38.280 --> 0:40:41.200 I also understand that the person that's flying the plane 0:40:41.320 --> 0:40:43.799 is far more qualified than I am to do the job. 0:40:44.719 --> 0:40:46.560 So that kind of worked. 0:40:46.600 --> 0:40:49.400 Don't put him on a late night show or a podcast. 0:40:49.440 --> 0:40:50.279 He can't do it. 0:40:50.480 --> 0:40:55.080 Who can't the pilot or the pilot? They are very 0:40:55.120 --> 0:40:58.520 specific breed pilots. Actually, did you never get into that? 0:40:58.800 --> 0:40:59.720 So I supposed flying? 0:40:59.800 --> 0:41:02.360 Yeah? Yeah, it's kind. 0:41:02.160 --> 0:41:04.960 Of a Hollywood thing. There's a community of people here 0:41:05.000 --> 0:41:07.960 that do it, and I was kind of surprised with 0:41:08.040 --> 0:41:09.880 the people that I was like, oh my god, and 0:41:09.960 --> 0:41:12.840 you run Edward Norton at the airport or you know, 0:41:13.200 --> 0:41:16.719 travel is famously a flyer or talk cruise or like 0:41:16.760 --> 0:41:18.600 there's a whole like, oh my god, this is like 0:41:18.640 --> 0:41:24.680 the Oscars exactly here in like really fancy suits. 0:41:24.680 --> 0:41:26.840 So I'm like, oh, everyone's wearing pressure suits. 0:41:26.840 --> 0:41:29.839 It's cool, but it's kind of like and I thought 0:41:29.880 --> 0:41:32.839 it'd be like super expensive and it is, but yes, 0:41:33.760 --> 0:41:34.120 you know. 0:41:34.239 --> 0:41:36.759 So do you still do it? Do you still take less? 0:41:36.760 --> 0:41:39.640 I have? I have a little little, tiny two seater 0:41:39.719 --> 0:41:42.080 plane that I can only fly at certain times of 0:41:42.080 --> 0:41:43.120 the year because of the weather. 0:41:43.440 --> 0:41:45.360 But wow, and I keep it in Scotland. 0:41:45.400 --> 0:41:46.959 I do, but I share it with a guy who's 0:41:47.000 --> 0:41:48.040 a really good pilot. 0:41:48.120 --> 0:41:50.080 Okay, so when you go, you take a co pilot 0:41:50.120 --> 0:41:50.319 with you. 0:41:50.440 --> 0:41:52.680 Yeah, well let's say I take the co pilot. But 0:41:52.760 --> 0:41:54.600 really I'm just sitting going, yeah, what does that do? 0:41:54.719 --> 0:41:56.520 Can I have a show? Can I have a show? 0:42:05.520 --> 0:42:09.800 Do you have a thing that your antidote to show business? 0:42:09.800 --> 0:42:14.040 Because it's such an odd kind of capricious world that 0:42:14.480 --> 0:42:15.960 you know, it's just by the nature of it. 0:42:16.000 --> 0:42:17.960 I don't mind it. I think that's the way it is. 0:42:18.000 --> 0:42:18.800 It's the circus. 0:42:19.280 --> 0:42:22.040 But I often feel I'm drawn very much to things 0:42:22.080 --> 0:42:24.200 which are innanted, which take my head out of it. 0:42:24.239 --> 0:42:25.880 Do you do that, do you? Yeah? I mean you 0:42:25.920 --> 0:42:27.000 have your faith obviously. 0:42:27.280 --> 0:42:31.720 Yeah. Well, first of all, my family super close to them. 0:42:32.200 --> 0:42:34.239 After this, I'm going to go see my brother lives 0:42:34.320 --> 0:42:35.560 right up nearby. 0:42:36.000 --> 0:42:36.360 Nice. 0:42:37.480 --> 0:42:44.839 But I have to be outside in nature, like I 0:42:44.920 --> 0:42:52.080 love swimming, I love hiking, I love walking. Anything that 0:42:52.200 --> 0:42:57.879 is outside is that is just heaven for me. And 0:42:58.560 --> 0:43:05.560 also I really like driving by myself. I just love it. 0:43:06.000 --> 0:43:09.880 I feel like it's a cocoon and you could think 0:43:10.480 --> 0:43:15.080 and nothing, you know, like it's almost like a meditation 0:43:15.200 --> 0:43:18.680 in a way. I like, what's that expression that they 0:43:18.800 --> 0:43:21.279 used to say, idle hands or the devil's work or 0:43:21.320 --> 0:43:25.240 something like that, But it's the idea that you're using 0:43:25.280 --> 0:43:28.240 your hands to do something and it frees up your brain. 0:43:28.840 --> 0:43:32.759 So my mom was a big crocheer. And people who 0:43:32.800 --> 0:43:36.920 cook or garden or sew or any of that stuff 0:43:37.000 --> 0:43:39.760 or work on you know, cars, they have at least. 0:43:39.680 --> 0:43:41.000 Christian desert mystics. 0:43:41.120 --> 0:43:44.360 They would make they make baskets, they would weave baskets. 0:43:44.719 --> 0:43:46.719 They were in constant prayer. 0:43:46.840 --> 0:43:50.680 Right, and so that I think that's a form of meditation, right, 0:43:51.480 --> 0:43:53.759 And I love that. I listened to music. I listen 0:43:53.840 --> 0:43:56.960 to books on tape, but mostly I just like to 0:43:57.360 --> 0:43:58.960 let the mind wonder. 0:43:59.080 --> 0:44:01.320 Are your gearhead? Do you like have special cars? Do 0:44:01.360 --> 0:44:03.640 you like go to Jay Leno's garage and say, let 0:44:03.640 --> 0:44:04.319 me try one. 0:44:04.800 --> 0:44:05.280 I don't. 0:44:05.760 --> 0:44:09.800 Actually, my car is You're gonna think this is crazy? 0:44:09.880 --> 0:44:12.360 Ten years old? You know how most people get a 0:44:12.360 --> 0:44:14.920 brand new car like everything. No, my car is ten 0:44:14.960 --> 0:44:16.680 years old, never getting rid of it. I love it. 0:44:16.840 --> 0:44:17.040 You know. 0:44:17.120 --> 0:44:20.360 One of the big thing that happened to me in Hollywood, 0:44:20.520 --> 0:44:22.360 I was working in Warner Brothers and I was in 0:44:22.400 --> 0:44:24.960 the nineteen nineties and I just go here. I was 0:44:24.960 --> 0:44:29.240 doing the Drew Garea Show and Clint Eastwood was working 0:44:29.280 --> 0:44:32.160 in the Warner Brothers law and he drove in in 0:44:32.239 --> 0:44:35.279 a ten year old Ford Explorer and I was like, 0:44:35.920 --> 0:44:38.080 that so fucking cool. 0:44:38.239 --> 0:44:39.640 That's so cool. 0:44:40.320 --> 0:44:44.960 It's like, I don't care exactly, it is like, you know, 0:44:45.000 --> 0:44:47.600 it's not going to make me anymore. Clint Eastwood advice, Right, 0:44:48.040 --> 0:44:50.080 just I love the kind of like, yeah, it's a car. 0:44:50.520 --> 0:44:53.000 I have a car, one of my cars. It's a truck. 0:44:53.920 --> 0:44:58.280 Is I should say ours is twenty one years old. 0:44:59.600 --> 0:45:02.120 I think that's great though. I love it. 0:45:02.360 --> 0:45:04.560 You hang on to long enough and they become vintage. 0:45:04.719 --> 0:45:06.080 That's right. I think. 0:45:06.160 --> 0:45:08.480 I feel like I'm trying that for myself as well. 0:45:08.520 --> 0:45:10.759 I feel like if I can survive long enough, it'll 0:45:10.760 --> 0:45:14.640 come back around again. I noticed kids at my stand 0:45:14.719 --> 0:45:16.439 up shows now and they're like under thirty. 0:45:16.440 --> 0:45:17.920 I'm like, what the hell was you doing here? And 0:45:17.920 --> 0:45:18.279 then I. 0:45:18.200 --> 0:45:22.759 Thought, you're here ironically, aren't you? It's because of TikTok 0:45:22.960 --> 0:45:24.719 or something? 0:45:25.280 --> 0:45:27.000 What about that? Do you do TikTok? 0:45:27.080 --> 0:45:29.520 I was about to ask you. I kind of dip 0:45:29.600 --> 0:45:31.400 in and out of it. But I treat it the 0:45:31.440 --> 0:45:34.240 same way as I do with anything as I don't. 0:45:34.719 --> 0:45:37.680 I don't read anything the MD else puts out right. 0:45:37.760 --> 0:45:38.960 I just like, I do my thing and then I 0:45:39.239 --> 0:45:39.680 run away. 0:45:39.760 --> 0:45:42.319 I know I have an account, but I've never been 0:45:42.400 --> 0:45:44.719 onto it. I don't know how to do it. You 0:45:45.239 --> 0:45:48.200 do you do the Instagram or any of the Instagram 0:45:48.280 --> 0:45:52.280 and Facebook and Twitter? Right, formally then is Twitter? 0:45:52.520 --> 0:45:55.319 I think Twitter is is it's kind of going away? 0:45:55.360 --> 0:45:56.120 I think now is that what? 0:45:56.200 --> 0:45:58.440 I don't know? I wish I would all go away? 0:45:59.440 --> 0:46:00.279 I kind of do too. 0:46:00.880 --> 0:46:05.080 Can it leave now we haven't hasn't it had its moment? 0:46:05.200 --> 0:46:07.439 Can't we just go back to like looking at each other? 0:46:07.800 --> 0:46:09.279 I was talking to each other. 0:46:09.440 --> 0:46:11.839 I was hoping it was going to be like CB Radio, 0:46:12.080 --> 0:46:16.640 like come and go, and that would be a I 0:46:16.640 --> 0:46:21.360 think I feel that it kind of I remember actually 0:46:22.080 --> 0:46:26.520 Tom was scheduled to do a sport in my old 0:46:26.600 --> 0:46:28.960 late night show and for some reason he couldn't do it, 0:46:29.320 --> 0:46:32.239 and he wrote very classy gentlemen as I'm sure you know. 0:46:32.560 --> 0:46:35.000 He wrote a no of apology and it was written 0:46:35.040 --> 0:46:36.000 in a old typewriter. 0:46:36.120 --> 0:46:39.400 Yeah, And I went, oh my god, that's so cool 0:46:40.200 --> 0:46:44.200 because it wasn't just somebody had just done it. No, 0:46:44.400 --> 0:46:48.200 it's red. There was some thought in it, and it 0:46:48.440 --> 0:46:50.880 marred to me. It was like it was like it 0:46:51.000 --> 0:46:53.560 was like it really was something. There's something really good 0:46:53.600 --> 0:46:57.319 about analog things. I agree written not a hand type note. 0:46:57.360 --> 0:46:58.880 I listened to my music on vinyl. 0:46:58.960 --> 0:47:02.239 Now come back to my new album's coming on on 0:47:02.320 --> 0:47:03.840 vinyl soon. 0:47:04.080 --> 0:47:06.399 Because your country artists sort of. 0:47:06.560 --> 0:47:09.480 Kind of Yes, yeah, I love that. I'd like to 0:47:09.520 --> 0:47:11.560 say that I'm southern southern California. 0:47:11.680 --> 0:47:12.480 Southern California. 0:47:13.160 --> 0:47:13.520 Why not. 0:47:13.960 --> 0:47:17.000 It's like that NASCAR guy that's from California. I can't 0:47:17.000 --> 0:47:20.240 remember his name, but yeah, he's sort of southern California. 0:47:20.280 --> 0:47:23.840 But I love Vinyl. I love it so much. It 0:47:23.880 --> 0:47:27.200 reminds me. There's first of all, it's techtile, yeah, and 0:47:27.520 --> 0:47:31.759 it reminds me of how we used to listen to 0:47:31.840 --> 0:47:35.680 music as a whole. So there was a narrative story 0:47:35.719 --> 0:47:38.920 that the artist or the band was looking to tell, 0:47:39.640 --> 0:47:42.319 and you would listen to it and there'd be that 0:47:42.640 --> 0:47:45.799 moment where his side one was over side A and 0:47:45.840 --> 0:47:48.400 he'd flip it over and do side B and it 0:47:48.480 --> 0:47:53.720 was just like, I love the ritual of that smell 0:47:53.760 --> 0:47:54.600 of it, I know. 0:47:54.960 --> 0:47:58.719 And then the thing is as well, is that you 0:47:58.760 --> 0:48:01.880 can listen to vinyl volume and here's stuff that you 0:48:01.880 --> 0:48:02.840 can't hear digitally. 0:48:02.920 --> 0:48:06.120 I never knowed that until very recently, and I played 0:48:06.120 --> 0:48:07.720 it to our youngest. 0:48:07.360 --> 0:48:09.880 Boy is twelve, and I got this final setup and 0:48:09.960 --> 0:48:11.880 I played it to him for the first time, and 0:48:11.920 --> 0:48:15.240 it was like a big electronica thing as a Scotch 0:48:15.280 --> 0:48:18.319 band called Mogwai and it's like it's real, you know, 0:48:18.400 --> 0:48:20.239 Oh my god. And I played it too him and 0:48:20.239 --> 0:48:22.520 he went, oh my god, what is this? 0:48:23.040 --> 0:48:23.360 Wow? 0:48:23.600 --> 0:48:29.120 I said, this is this is analog music speakers. Yeah. Yeah, 0:48:29.440 --> 0:48:31.759 And he was like, I love this. He said, I 0:48:31.760 --> 0:48:34.359 feel I've been robbed. I said, you have. 0:48:34.719 --> 0:48:37.240 Exactly turn him on, get him his own turd table. 0:48:37.640 --> 0:48:40.000 There was a woman that lived up the street from 0:48:40.040 --> 0:48:42.160 us when we were growing up, and she worked at 0:48:42.160 --> 0:48:45.520 Capitol Records. So this was during the sixties when the 0:48:45.560 --> 0:48:49.120 Beatles were assigned to Capitol Wow. So whenever there was 0:48:49.840 --> 0:48:53.239 an album, a Beatles album released, she would bring it 0:48:53.280 --> 0:48:55.759 to us and my sister, well all three of us, 0:48:55.800 --> 0:48:58.719 we would just put that thing on. Call it a 0:48:58.800 --> 0:49:00.799 hi Fi. Why was it a high five? 0:49:01.239 --> 0:49:01.880 High fidelity? 0:49:01.960 --> 0:49:04.879 High fidelity? But it had a turn My dad made it. 0:49:04.880 --> 0:49:07.480 It had a turntable on one side, it had the 0:49:07.600 --> 0:49:11.560 tuners on the other side and the amps, and then 0:49:11.719 --> 0:49:14.680 the middle was the television set. And we would just 0:49:14.840 --> 0:49:17.319 that is so cool in front of that, like I wish, 0:49:17.440 --> 0:49:19.160 wouldn't that be great if somebody came out with a 0:49:19.239 --> 0:49:22.799 high five, but like a really proper with all the 0:49:22.840 --> 0:49:26.000 good technology, but made it look like it was in 0:49:26.040 --> 0:49:27.120 a piece of cality. 0:49:27.320 --> 0:49:28.480 I bet you could do it. 0:49:28.840 --> 0:49:33.520 I found that a nineteen thirties wooden radio in the 0:49:33.640 --> 0:49:36.200 house in Scotland and the what we call the sellers 0:49:36.320 --> 0:49:38.600 is kind of crypt and I don't know why the 0:49:38.680 --> 0:49:41.800 radio was down there, but all the valves and stuff 0:49:41.800 --> 0:49:44.520 were gone. But I'm there is a company that will 0:49:44.560 --> 0:49:46.279 put new inrds in it for all. 0:49:46.400 --> 0:49:50.120 That's so cool. Do you live in an old house 0:49:50.160 --> 0:49:50.680 in Scotland? 0:49:50.760 --> 0:49:51.399 It's pretty old? 0:49:51.640 --> 0:49:52.280 Is it haunted? 0:49:52.560 --> 0:49:52.960 Yes? 0:49:53.280 --> 0:49:56.319 Really? What kind of ghosts? What kind of things have 0:49:56.440 --> 0:49:57.280 you heard or seen? 0:49:57.360 --> 0:50:00.920 Well, there's always bumps and squeaks. And then do you 0:50:00.920 --> 0:50:01.520 believe in all this? 0:50:02.239 --> 0:50:05.320 We had one house that had things that were inexplicable. 0:50:05.520 --> 0:50:06.000 I love this. 0:50:06.400 --> 0:50:07.040 Told me too. 0:50:07.480 --> 0:50:09.239 The most haunted house I've ever lived in was in 0:50:09.239 --> 0:50:09.960 the Hollywood Hill. 0:50:10.080 --> 0:50:12.480 What yes, Okay, tell me what happened. 0:50:12.640 --> 0:50:15.480 I didn't know what happened, but it was scary. Megan 0:50:15.600 --> 0:50:16.000 was like, what. 0:50:15.960 --> 0:50:16.440 Dile is that? 0:50:16.480 --> 0:50:19.800 And it was like, ah, maybe a homeless guy. I 0:50:19.840 --> 0:50:22.920 don't know, but it was. It was scary. It was 0:50:22.920 --> 0:50:23.759 a scary house. 0:50:23.840 --> 0:50:25.680 That's wild. Where was your haunted us. 0:50:25.840 --> 0:50:29.840 It was an old nineteen twenty six Mediterranean. 0:50:30.239 --> 0:50:34.799 That's the that Maine was a nineteen twenty six mediterrane What. 0:50:35.120 --> 0:50:37.919 Yeah, they were like they were friends, You may us 0:50:38.000 --> 0:50:38.680 were friends. 0:50:39.200 --> 0:50:41.799 Maybe where was it was in the Hollywood, No, in. 0:50:41.880 --> 0:50:44.680 Santa Monica area, right, Okay, So here's the thing though, 0:50:44.719 --> 0:50:50.759 that there were just inexplicable things and everybody heard them. 0:50:51.880 --> 0:50:55.440 And you just couldn't explain why the TV would go 0:50:55.520 --> 0:50:57.200 on by itself in the middle of the night. 0:50:57.239 --> 0:50:57.880 I've seen that. 0:50:58.000 --> 0:51:00.920 Why it sounded like there was somebody dropping a stack 0:51:01.000 --> 0:51:04.840 of books onto the floor from the second floor landing. 0:51:05.280 --> 0:51:07.920 Sounded like somebody was just dropping a stack of books. 0:51:08.160 --> 0:51:10.560 We had one in the house, like we were in 0:51:10.600 --> 0:51:13.520 the old house in Scotland, right, And there was a portrait, 0:51:14.280 --> 0:51:16.440 an old portrait of the woman who had owned the 0:51:16.440 --> 0:51:18.040 house a couple of hundred years ago, was up in 0:51:18.080 --> 0:51:20.480 the wall, right, and Megan and I were standing in 0:51:20.480 --> 0:51:20.719 the room. 0:51:20.760 --> 0:51:23.920 We were talking about something. We're just being married talking. 0:51:24.040 --> 0:51:25.080 I don't know what the hell you talk. 0:51:25.120 --> 0:51:26.680 You know what it's like you'd been married forever, is 0:51:26.719 --> 0:51:29.120 it's like you just talk about everything now you know 0:51:29.160 --> 0:51:29.520 what it is? 0:51:30.200 --> 0:51:31.719 You remember that thing. Yeah. 0:51:31.760 --> 0:51:33.279 So we're just talking and there was a door that 0:51:33.760 --> 0:51:36.320 never opened, right, I just couldn't. 0:51:36.360 --> 0:51:38.320 It was always so stemming. You could open it, but 0:51:38.320 --> 0:51:42.800 it was very, very difficult jiggle the thing the handle. 0:51:43.360 --> 0:51:45.799 So we were looking at this portrait and I said, oh, 0:51:45.960 --> 0:51:48.799 she's still here somewhere, and Megan was like, well, and 0:51:48.840 --> 0:51:51.200 she said, it's a joke. She said to the portrait, 0:51:51.520 --> 0:51:56.480 it's my house now, girl, And the door wiggled and 0:51:56.600 --> 0:51:59.360 then the door opened, and I was like, oh, no, 0:51:59.480 --> 0:52:02.279 way did that happened? She makes it and she was like, 0:52:02.520 --> 0:52:05.120 I'm so sorry. 0:52:05.840 --> 0:52:07.040 What was inside the door? 0:52:07.200 --> 0:52:07.560 Nothing? 0:52:07.680 --> 0:52:09.279 We thought it was one of the kids coming through. 0:52:09.840 --> 0:52:14.480 There was nobody there, nothing, The door just opened. Just 0:52:14.520 --> 0:52:15.839 tell me about it right now? 0:52:16.280 --> 0:52:17.280 So crazy? 0:52:17.560 --> 0:52:21.239 Yeah, I know, it's crazy. All right, We're completely out 0:52:21.280 --> 0:52:22.839 of time. I don't know if we if we don't. 0:52:23.280 --> 0:52:24.960 Are we supposed to be talking about joy? 0:52:25.080 --> 0:52:26.839 But if you don't know if you noticed, but I 0:52:26.920 --> 0:52:31.080 tried to get you to talk about everything, throw your joy. 0:52:30.880 --> 0:52:31.920 But what's the joy? 0:52:31.960 --> 0:52:32.080 Oh? 0:52:32.120 --> 0:52:33.759 The things that bring me joy? 0:52:34.120 --> 0:52:35.560 Your faith, your family? 0:52:35.680 --> 0:52:35.919 Oh? 0:52:36.160 --> 0:52:37.120 Got it? 0:52:37.400 --> 0:52:38.280 Okay? 0:52:38.840 --> 0:52:41.000 But you know what, if you want to define it 0:52:41.080 --> 0:52:42.600 in some way, put a button. 0:52:42.840 --> 0:52:44.319 I'm very happy with that a. 0:52:44.320 --> 0:52:45.120 Button on it. 0:52:45.480 --> 0:52:48.000 I mean, what does define joy for you? 0:52:48.160 --> 0:52:52.520 Well, I mean, I think it has to be just 0:52:54.040 --> 0:52:59.279 making people happy and trying to I mean for me anyways, 0:52:59.600 --> 0:53:02.080 I like to do that. I like to make people happy. 0:53:02.120 --> 0:53:05.160 I like to okay, if it's stuff that's not related 0:53:05.160 --> 0:53:08.920 to family, because obviously that that's like a given I supposed, 0:53:08.920 --> 0:53:13.000 but I will always not yeah, that's true, maybe not. 0:53:12.719 --> 0:53:13.600 Not always any mean. 0:53:13.680 --> 0:53:16.200 The reason why I didn't like bring it up in 0:53:16.239 --> 0:53:19.279 a fashion and just ask you directly is because I 0:53:19.320 --> 0:53:24.120 think sometimes it's nice to talk to people and find 0:53:24.120 --> 0:53:28.560 out what makes them happy without saying what makes you happy? 0:53:28.920 --> 0:53:33.960 Right exactly? No, I get that, but I I would 0:53:34.000 --> 0:53:38.279 have to say that. I think music for me, and 0:53:38.400 --> 0:53:41.919 you know, because I came to it. I've always loved 0:53:42.000 --> 0:53:44.200 music and wish that I had started it younger, but 0:53:44.239 --> 0:53:48.040 it didn't happen that way. And when I finally did 0:53:48.080 --> 0:53:52.280 start making music twelve years ago, it was as if 0:53:52.719 --> 0:53:58.880 I could finally express myself in a creative way that 0:53:58.960 --> 0:54:04.879 felt so truthful. Because in acting, I've done wonderful things, right, 0:54:05.480 --> 0:54:08.480 I'm very grateful for them, But in some ways I 0:54:08.560 --> 0:54:15.440 also exhausted the canon of warm, kind, nurturing wife, daughter, sister, mother, friend. 0:54:15.719 --> 0:54:18.120 It's also a collaborative platform. 0:54:18.680 --> 0:54:21.160 You know, you're working with a whole bunch of different people, 0:54:21.280 --> 0:54:24.399 coming with a whole bunch of different angles and agenda, right, 0:54:24.680 --> 0:54:27.160 whereas a musicianist like you drive the thing a little 0:54:27.200 --> 0:54:27.560 bit more. 0:54:27.800 --> 0:54:30.680 And it was really it just brings me so much 0:54:30.800 --> 0:54:32.440 joy to do that. Like when I know that I 0:54:32.440 --> 0:54:34.319 have a writing session or I'm going to go in 0:54:34.360 --> 0:54:39.839 and record something, it just I'm so excited and that 0:54:40.239 --> 0:54:45.279 absolutely brings me joy. And you know, look, you're right, 0:54:45.360 --> 0:54:48.959 my faith is a huge driver of that, I think 0:54:49.000 --> 0:54:54.920 because I I have faith. You know, it gets tested. 0:54:55.000 --> 0:54:58.279 Everybody gets tested, you know, we have that happen. But 0:54:59.040 --> 0:55:01.600 I still feel like at the end of the day, 0:55:02.040 --> 0:55:05.040 I have that. So there's a great line. Do you 0:55:05.040 --> 0:55:08.640 remember the movie Chariots of Fire? Yes, all right, so 0:55:08.680 --> 0:55:10.399 when Chariot's the fire, it's one of my favorite line. 0:55:10.480 --> 0:55:15.640 Greek people would say, Vangelis soundtrack. The Greek people would 0:55:15.640 --> 0:55:18.760 always if there's a Greek person somewhere in the vicinity 0:55:18.760 --> 0:55:21.080 of a conversation, a Greek will point that out. 0:55:22.239 --> 0:55:25.800 So in the Vangelist movie Charities of Fire, it's about 0:55:25.840 --> 0:55:30.080 a Scottish runner who is very religious man, and the 0:55:30.120 --> 0:55:33.120 story is that he won't run in the Olympics on 0:55:33.200 --> 0:55:35.799 a Sunday, right, and there's a big problem because that's 0:55:35.800 --> 0:55:37.400 when the final is and that's the story of the 0:55:37.440 --> 0:55:41.880 movie sort of. And his sister, who's even more religious 0:55:41.880 --> 0:55:45.360 than him, doesn't want them to run at all because 0:55:45.360 --> 0:55:48.560 they've got to go their their missionary work in China 0:55:48.680 --> 0:55:50.759 is what needs them and he says this line to her. 0:55:51.080 --> 0:55:52.360 I don't know who wrote the script. 0:55:52.680 --> 0:55:55.520 It's terrible, but there's a great line in the they're 0:55:55.560 --> 0:55:59.000 walking in the hill above Edinburgh and she's saying she's 0:55:59.000 --> 0:56:02.080 trying to persuade him no to go to the Olympics, 0:56:02.239 --> 0:56:05.920 and he says, I believe God made me. 0:56:05.880 --> 0:56:09.839 For a purpose and that purpose is China. But when 0:56:09.880 --> 0:56:12.320 I run, I feel his pleasure. 0:56:12.800 --> 0:56:15.440 Oh that's so beautiful. 0:56:15.320 --> 0:56:17.760 And I think that can be your music for you beautiful. 0:56:17.880 --> 0:56:21.319 Yeah, it feels like that, It really does, and and 0:56:22.800 --> 0:56:27.040 I can't it's it is, it's exactly that. It's exactly that. 0:56:28.280 --> 0:56:30.400 And now that we're talking about it, you're making me 0:56:30.440 --> 0:56:33.279 think about all or sorts of other things, because some 0:56:33.360 --> 0:56:36.399 of them tie together. Earlier you asked me, what gives 0:56:36.440 --> 0:56:39.600 me joy? Like I love I'm a hobbyist, but I 0:56:39.680 --> 0:56:44.720 do watercolor painting, okay, perfect, and it is. It gives 0:56:44.760 --> 0:56:48.480 me so much joy because here's why. I always wanted 0:56:48.480 --> 0:56:50.719 to try it, and I never could do it, and 0:56:50.760 --> 0:56:53.480 I was like, why am I not doing it? I 0:56:53.480 --> 0:56:55.880 had organized, you know, organizing all the vacations for the 0:56:55.920 --> 0:56:58.160 families when the kids were little and all of that, 0:56:58.880 --> 0:57:01.440 and they'd all be said up and very happy in 0:57:01.480 --> 0:57:05.279 doing all the things and having their activities, and I'd 0:57:05.360 --> 0:57:08.279 feel like, oh, what am I supposed to be doing now? 0:57:08.320 --> 0:57:10.600 And I thought, I need a hobby. I need something 0:57:10.640 --> 0:57:15.360 I can do like that. So I researched a painting 0:57:15.360 --> 0:57:20.240 class and I went one day a week for five 0:57:20.360 --> 0:57:26.560 years from September till June. And I knew nothing when 0:57:26.560 --> 0:57:32.440 I started this class. Nothing. And it was probably the 0:57:32.480 --> 0:57:37.440 thing that led me to find songwriting, because I thought, 0:57:37.640 --> 0:57:40.920 if you do something consistently enough, you don't get worse 0:57:40.960 --> 0:57:45.640 at it, you donnot get worse at it, you will improve. 0:57:46.280 --> 0:57:49.720 And I thought, yeah, with a matter of discipline and 0:57:49.840 --> 0:57:54.160 just consistency, this happens. And I met the most amazing people, 0:57:54.240 --> 0:57:57.920 and they were people out of this incredible walk of 0:57:58.000 --> 0:58:02.760 life that you're like this. One guy used to run 0:58:02.880 --> 0:58:06.760 ABC Studios. Brandon's Daughterard incredible man. He passed away now, 0:58:08.200 --> 0:58:11.560 such a lovely human being. He was an incredible artist, 0:58:12.080 --> 0:58:18.080 and you know you think, God, you know he didn't 0:58:18.120 --> 0:58:23.280 have that what you don't know about that exists within 0:58:23.440 --> 0:58:27.520 you that unless you sort of explore it and say, Okay, 0:58:27.560 --> 0:58:29.120 I'm going to try this, I'm going to do it 0:58:29.160 --> 0:58:31.480 like you did with flying a plane. I mean, you 0:58:31.520 --> 0:58:33.200 came out of it because you were afraid of it. 0:58:33.680 --> 0:58:36.000 But there might be something you could do out of 0:58:36.000 --> 0:58:38.000 the joy of it, just because you're like, well, i 0:58:38.040 --> 0:58:41.840 don't know how to river dance, but I'm going to learn. 0:58:41.880 --> 0:58:48.880 It's like you know me, but I've seen it do yourself. Finally, 0:58:48.920 --> 0:58:50.040 I feel like I've been released. 0:58:51.160 --> 0:58:53.640 But it's funny because I think what it is is 0:58:53.640 --> 0:58:57.440 that when you're young, when a person is young, I 0:58:57.440 --> 0:59:00.920 think they judge themselves and they look at the results. 0:59:01.320 --> 0:59:03.800 The biggest challenge I have when I start writing anything, 0:59:03.920 --> 0:59:06.479 no anymore, but it used to be I would start saying, 0:59:06.480 --> 0:59:08.120 you know, once upon a time or whatever it was 0:59:08.120 --> 0:59:11.560 that I wrote right, and then by the third sentence 0:59:11.640 --> 0:59:13.959 I was constructing my thank you speech. 0:59:15.520 --> 0:59:17.840 Like, no, were you funny as a kid? 0:59:18.920 --> 0:59:20.120 Yeah? I think I probably. 0:59:20.200 --> 0:59:23.120 Yeah, you knew that you could make people laugh. 0:59:23.240 --> 0:59:25.440 Yeah, well I knew I had better or they me, 0:59:25.800 --> 0:59:28.920 so that it was kind of like not so much 0:59:29.040 --> 0:59:31.800 my family, but but in the society I grew up 0:59:31.840 --> 0:59:35.840 and yeah, paid to be funny, yeah right, or something right, 0:59:35.960 --> 0:59:38.040 you know, or just keep your head down? Right? 0:59:38.280 --> 0:59:42.840 It was did you ever do anything different? As just 0:59:43.440 --> 0:59:45.480 like something that you said, I really want to learn 0:59:45.560 --> 0:59:47.920 how to do this, not the flying thing, but a 0:59:48.000 --> 0:59:49.320 creative endeavor, like. 0:59:49.600 --> 0:59:51.200 Yeah, what was it? 0:59:51.240 --> 0:59:55.080 And it was for me it was stand up really yeah, 0:59:55.120 --> 0:59:59.320 because because stand up comedy was there was you know 0:59:59.400 --> 1:00:02.520 Billy Corn Yeah, of course. So Billy's twenty years older 1:00:02.560 --> 1:00:04.160 than me. So when I was ten years old, Billy 1:00:04.280 --> 1:00:07.320 was thirty years old. She was just coming to prominence 1:00:07.760 --> 1:00:11.480 in Scotland and I had never seen anyone from my 1:00:11.920 --> 1:00:16.160 background do that, right, It was unbelievable to me. This 1:00:16.320 --> 1:00:20.280 was like, so, I mean Americans did that, but not 1:00:20.680 --> 1:00:24.960 Scottish men from down the road. Billy's a very special 1:00:25.040 --> 1:00:28.600 human being, but he was Jackie Robinson for me. 1:00:28.720 --> 1:00:30.880 He opened the door and so. 1:00:30.800 --> 1:00:33.840 I that was what it was, and I thought, I'd 1:00:33.880 --> 1:00:34.760 like to be able to do that. 1:00:34.800 --> 1:00:36.360 Looks like a really cool thing to do. 1:00:36.440 --> 1:00:39.480 And you know, through one thing and another, in various endeavors, 1:00:39.480 --> 1:00:41.160 I ended up having a crack at it and it 1:00:41.320 --> 1:00:43.840 kind of worked out here and there, and that's. 1:00:43.680 --> 1:00:44.720 What led me into it. 1:00:44.960 --> 1:00:45.360 Wow. 1:00:45.400 --> 1:00:47.720 But it was like it was like an instrument. 1:00:48.120 --> 1:00:51.120 Yeah, you know that if you learn to play the guitar, 1:00:51.720 --> 1:00:54.919 you play in a band, you're playing, maybe you write 1:00:54.960 --> 1:00:57.440 a movie score, maybe you you know, work with other people, 1:00:57.440 --> 1:00:58.680 but what you really like to do. 1:00:58.720 --> 1:00:59.120 Is just. 1:01:00.520 --> 1:01:02.080 Exactly exactly. 1:01:02.520 --> 1:01:04.760 And that's what I love about doing it, is just playing. 1:01:05.120 --> 1:01:07.520 To be honest. I felt the same way about about 1:01:07.560 --> 1:01:08.280 Late Night too. 1:01:09.040 --> 1:01:11.880 Is that eventually I thought, you know what, the guy 1:01:11.920 --> 1:01:14.440 who got me into it said, you're a natural for this, 1:01:14.520 --> 1:01:16.400 and I said, you're crazy. I don't even pay any 1:01:16.440 --> 1:01:18.800 attention to this sort of stuff. And he said, it 1:01:18.840 --> 1:01:20.440 doesn't matter, you're natural for me. 1:01:20.640 --> 1:01:24.120 Wow, And he was right. I was Wow. 1:01:24.600 --> 1:01:28.160 I just love those stories. So we're only really limited 1:01:28.240 --> 1:01:31.640 by our own belief systems, or I think what we've 1:01:31.680 --> 1:01:35.720 heard as kids or teenagers, because I think it's not 1:01:35.880 --> 1:01:39.320 even the limitations we put on ourselves. But sometimes you 1:01:39.360 --> 1:01:43.480 know a teacher or a parent or someone you admire 1:01:43.560 --> 1:01:48.920 saying something like you can't dance here, you know, or 1:01:49.400 --> 1:01:52.120 that what was that you just sang and you're oh, 1:01:52.200 --> 1:01:55.240 my ear, And if you're a kid, you can hear 1:01:55.320 --> 1:01:59.520 that and be completely very crushed by it. So I 1:01:59.520 --> 1:02:01.720 think it's I think it's never too late. You just 1:02:01.720 --> 1:02:04.400 got to keep creating and keep doing it. 1:02:04.600 --> 1:02:08.320 Keep but it's too late. Exact time really is too 1:02:08.400 --> 1:02:12.440 late until that point. Keep going, keep going, you keep going, 1:02:12.840 --> 1:02:16.800 keep going. Thank you for having anytime