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Speaker 1: Hi everybody. It is let's see Thursday, December tenth, twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty and this is episode of I believe fifty seven

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Speaker 1: of the Luke Thomas Live Chat podcast, which is the

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Speaker 1: worst name ever, but it's the name we're gonna go with.

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Speaker 1: My name, of course, is Luke Thomas. I am from

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Speaker 1: CBS Sports in Showtime. This is the podcast format in

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Speaker 1: which I do most of my work. This is Morning Combat.

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Speaker 1: Welcome everyone. I'm actually one half of the Morning Combat

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Speaker 1: du What. We do that three days a week Monday,

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Speaker 1: Wednesday Friday, so my coast and I Brian Campbell, will

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Speaker 1: do that tomorrow. But today it is I answering all

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Speaker 1: of your questions about what life, MMA, movies, things in between,

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Speaker 1: all that good stuff. Yes, so please, if you would

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Speaker 1: be so kind, give the video a thumbs up, hit

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Speaker 1: that subscribe button and we'll get this party started. Yes

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Speaker 1: so all right, Well that's further ado. Let's get going,

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Speaker 1: shall we. All right, and we are back, as I mentioned,

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Speaker 1: time to get those thumbs up in the subs in.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna get my glasses ready. I have not found

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Speaker 1: a way successfully. I know everyone's got like you got

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Speaker 1: to do this, You got to do that you got

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Speaker 1: to get that for tips on how to wear glasses

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Speaker 1: without flogging up your well with the masks without fugging

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Speaker 1: up your lenses. But I have not found a reliable method.

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Speaker 1: And yes I've read all of the methods you have read.

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Speaker 1: They work some the basic issues. They work some of

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Speaker 1: the time, but they don't work consistently. So you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't wear them as much, not the mask but

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Speaker 1: the glasses. All right, here we are, hope you're doing well.

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Speaker 1: Happy Thursday to you. We're just a couple of days

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Speaker 1: out from UFC two fifty six. What else we have

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Speaker 1: Joshua versus Poolev, which I'm not sure how it's making

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Speaker 1: waves on the other out of the world, but over

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Speaker 1: here it's virtually none. And what else do we have?

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Speaker 1: We got bellatore tonight. I'll be on CBS Sports HQ

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Speaker 1: following that, along with Brian Campbell and a lot of

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Speaker 1: stuff in between. So a busy, busy week in combat sports,

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Speaker 1: all right. So every Wednesday I put your a thread

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Speaker 1: up to get your questions. Oops, turn that off, Jesus,

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Speaker 1: and now I will go get them. Let's see what

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Speaker 1: we have to say now, all right, very good M M. Mmmm, okay,

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Speaker 1: let's kick this off, shall we? All right? First question,

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Speaker 1: cast your mind back to when Habib was missing weight.

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Speaker 1: He therefore decides to move to one seventy. He wins

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Speaker 1: the welterweight title, but along the way loses a match

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Speaker 1: either to a prime Woodley, Colby or till who at

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Speaker 1: the time we're in and around the top five of

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Speaker 1: that division. Would his run at welterweight therefore be as

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Speaker 1: impressive or if not more impressive, than his unbeaten run

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Speaker 1: to the title at lightweight, and would his popularity stay

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Speaker 1: the same? Is there McGregor like rivalry in that division? Potentially?

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Speaker 1: I don't know who that would be, Like, who is

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Speaker 1: kinds of things that McGregor did to make that rivalry

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Speaker 1: what it was? So no, there is no mcgregord like

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Speaker 1: light you know, that's not They're not equivalent y'or even close? Okay,

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Speaker 1: So what has run of Walt's way therefore be as impressive,

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Speaker 1: if not more impressive than his unbeaten run to lightweight.

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Speaker 1: If he moved up fifteen pounds, lost one, but then

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Speaker 1: won the belt. Sure, I mean that would be either

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Speaker 1: him the wash of the one lost, but the potential

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Speaker 1: major gain of the belt. Oh, actually, excuse me, you're

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Speaker 1: not spotting him the belt. I don't know about that

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Speaker 1: Without the belt, I don't know if it's as impressive.

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Speaker 1: I think remaining unbeaten in your weight class, figuring out

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Speaker 1: and defending it, you know, by submitting everybody, it's pretty impressive, right,

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Speaker 1: So hard for me to see how going up a

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Speaker 1: you clearly said he wins the one to seventy title.

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Speaker 1: Saint Pierre had two. Now Saint Pierre avenged both of those,

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Speaker 1: would depend how we did it too, right, How does

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Speaker 1: a mid twenty year old Luke do in a boxing

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Speaker 1: match against the Paul brothers. I don't know. I didn't

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Speaker 1: guys who had careers in journalism? Maybe that's probably about

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Speaker 1: the level of which we're talking. If you had a

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Speaker 1: JR type podcast, which people would like to interview MMA?

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Speaker 1: Excuse me? If you had a jre type podcast, which

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Speaker 1: That's a little hard to regulate, but you know that

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Speaker 1: mean the folks whose books I read, you know. I mean,

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Speaker 1: in some ways, I'm not nearly as suited for that

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Speaker 1: many of us are right to be quite candid, where

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Speaker 1: the world around us, But that doesn't mean I have

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm certainly no expert on the JY podcast

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Speaker 1: I mean, the Drugan experience is sort of really aptly named, right.

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Speaker 1: These are things that swirl in his head and are

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Speaker 1: What I mean to say is, if you can pressure

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Speaker 1: your volume, you might land more and maybe that ends

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Speaker 1: he has left the division. So you have Nemkov who

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Speaker 1: as a totally legitimate claim to being number one. You

426
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Speaker 1: could debate it, but his his inclusion in the conversation

427
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 1: is absolutely warranted. Then you have Cory Anderson, who was

428
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:15,400
Speaker 1: not released because he was bad. He was top ten

429
00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 1: by the way. He has a win over Glover to Shia.

430
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Speaker 1: Then you have Anthony Rebel Johnson, who you know dislodged

431
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 1: teeth of Glover to share in thirteen seconds when they fought.

432
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 1: And you have Phil Davis who barely lost to Nemkov

433
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 1: and again did not get cut from the UFC because

434
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Speaker 1: he was bad, because they just didn't like his style

435
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,439
Speaker 1: of fighting. That's pretty legit. You add you wel Romero

436
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:41,160
Speaker 1: to that, that's very legit. But look are there are

437
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Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of interesting fighters in Bellatore in

438
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:48,360
Speaker 1: various weight classes, some competing tonight, some not. There featherweight

439
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 1: tournament I think is great, but you cannot compare them

440
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,160
Speaker 1: to the UFC. It's just not it's not accurate, it's

441
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:58,359
Speaker 1: not reasonable. They're not the same kind of organization. The

442
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:02,119
Speaker 1: UFC is a comprehensive place for the world's elite talent

443
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,400
Speaker 1: in all weight classes. That doesn't mean they have all

444
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 1: the world's elite talent, but in general, with the exception

445
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,919
Speaker 1: of like women's atom weight, they more or less inside

446
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 1: of MMA have weight classes to accommodate every space, and

447
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 1: in that space, I guess they don't have men super

448
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 1: heavy as well. But these are very marginal divisions of

449
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 1: the main ones that count. They have them all, and

450
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 1: inside of them they have the majority of the world's

451
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 1: elite talent. That's the reality. There is no competitor to that. Like,

452
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 1: who else can make that claim? Nobody by virtue of

453
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Speaker 1: what the UFC is. That's not me saying that necessarily

454
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,440
Speaker 1: a monopoly or monopsony. That's for the courts to decide.

455
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,879
Speaker 1: But if you have all the divisions laid out and

456
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Speaker 1: you talk about the most important and nearly all of them,

457
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 1: they've got every one of those accounted for, and they've

458
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 1: got virtually all the best fighters in them. That's just

459
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Speaker 1: a reality. This is why when we get back to

460
00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:02,400
Speaker 1: the the roster cuts, folks are like, oh my god,

461
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,239
Speaker 1: they're gonna change, They're gonna get rid of all these

462
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 1: guys for cheap Contender series labor. And I said before,

463
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: I don't know what they're gonna do. We'll have to see,

464
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 1: but I'm very skeptical of the idea that they're gonna

465
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Speaker 1: alter that reality. We have all these divisions, and inside

466
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Speaker 1: of all of these silos, we have the majority of

467
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Speaker 1: the world's most elite fighters in those weight classes. We're

468
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 1: gonna change that dynamic for cheaper fighters, and just hope

469
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:31,400
Speaker 1: nobody notices. I mean, that sounds totally ludicrous. Might they

470
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 1: do that on occasion? Might they do it in certain places? Yes?

471
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Speaker 1: And might they do it enough that another organization like

472
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Speaker 1: Bellator can then muster one or two divisions like their

473
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Speaker 1: let's say, their featherweight division or their light heavyweight division

474
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Speaker 1: that are good enough to at least rival some of

475
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Speaker 1: the divisions inside UFC to be pretty competitive, sure, but

476
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 1: top to bottom on the roster, it's not really close

477
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 1: and it can't be. So when you say Belatore is

478
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Speaker 1: going to change it, we're talking about an organization in

479
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 1: UFC that has eighty eighty five percent of the world's

480
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 1: elite talent and you're talking about one in Beltore that

481
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 1: has ten percent or so, I mean orders of magnitude difference.

482
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 1: People get it confused because Belatore has some big names,

483
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 1: they have some very good divisions, and they're on with

484
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 1: CBS right and who knows how that's going to blossop

485
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 1: in the future. They might go back to big CBS.

486
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 1: They're at CBS Sports right now, and they've been on

487
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:29,959
Speaker 1: Spike and they've got you know, Scott ccou who used

488
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 1: to run Strike Force, and blah blah blah. It's a

489
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,879
Speaker 1: good organization. They do good things, but they're not a

490
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 1: competitor to the UFC, not even close. They are very

491
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 1: much a tear down and so it's not a slight

492
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 1: that's just an observation. And so when folks are like, oh,

493
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 1: they're going to make big waves again. I tend to

494
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 1: think that there's some reason for optimism for their growth.

495
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:53,680
Speaker 1: But what do you mean when you say make big

496
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,119
Speaker 1: waves or big changes? Are you suggested there'll be some

497
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,399
Speaker 1: kind of power shift and maybe you're not. But for

498
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 1: folks who might be thinking might be a power shift coming,

499
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 1: I mean, it would require an enormous gutting of the

500
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:11,640
Speaker 1: UFC's roster to get even close, don't I don't really

501
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 1: foresee that. What's one topic where you change your mind

502
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 1: completely in MMA and one not in mme, Well, anti

503
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 1: doping we would be the biggest one where I change

504
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 1: my mind. I've said this before. Youst to have conversations

505
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 1: with Travis Tiger all the time. I had not thought

506
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: much about it, and I had sort of gone along

507
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: with everyone else thinking this is a scourge or you know,

508
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:35,399
Speaker 1: I don't know that I ever hated it quite as

509
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 1: much as everybody else, But you know, it's the wrong

510
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:41,159
Speaker 1: thing to do, and what we have to do is,

511
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 1: you know, hammer these guys and that will fix the problem,

512
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: and blah blah blah. It turns out it's all bullshit

513
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:52,239
Speaker 1: and you know it's nonsense. And so that was a

514
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: major change in my view. And what's one topic where

515
00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 1: you change your mind completely in MMA and one in MMA?

516
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 1: What's another one changed my mind completely or sorry not

517
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: in MMA changed my mind completely? Hmm. I think I've

518
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 1: talked about this before. Changed my mind completely. I mean

519
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:35,199
Speaker 1: I've had I told you guys this before. Like you know,

520
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 1: both of my parents grew up as right leaning politically.

521
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: My father worked for the first Senior George Bush when

522
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 1: he was ambassador to the UN. My father worked in

523
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 1: his press office. My mother was, you know, fucking love

524
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:54,239
Speaker 1: Rush Limbaugh for all those kinds of things. But in

525
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 1: general I think both had obviously by virtue of the

526
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: way they their lives went sort of an nationalists point

527
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 1: of view, which is not the same as global as

528
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: I don't mean in that sense, but rather that you know,

529
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 1: sort of a post NATO world, that most of these

530
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 1: sort of alliances would be used to keep peace or

531
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: prevent avoidable conflict, and YadA, YadA. And then when Bush

532
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: junior w went into a RAQ, that was a very

533
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 1: radicalizing moment for me and my entire family. It made

534
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: us really rethink everything we thought about those people and

535
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: everyone around them. The neo cons and everything else. That

536
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 1: was a real change in my life, A major, major,

537
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: major change, which is gonna say I had like this

538
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: sort of alignment with them beforehand and the way that

539
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: my parents might have, But whatever worldview I had before

540
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 1: then was completely turned upside down after that. That was

541
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: that was a major shift in how just utterly irresponsible

542
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: it all was, in the human toll, and in what

543
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 1: it made for the world and for you know, the

544
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: Middle East in particular, and then the lives of American

545
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 1: military servicemen, and I mean, it was just it was

546
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: a deeply radicalizing moment. What do you think of Brandon

547
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: Moreno's spectacular jiu jitsu tattoo? A truly wonderful wonder Do

548
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: you misspell it? Is it a do you spell it?

549
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 1: Did you spell it the wrong way? Let's see? Uh,

550
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 1: that's funny. I did not know that. That's true. Yeah,

551
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 1: I don't know what to tell you. That's pretty wild.

552
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 1: I mean, what are you gonna do? You know, you

553
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: should definitely rethink. Here's here's I told it. I tell

554
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 1: this to everybody. Anybody who's got a good tattoo, anybody, okay,

555
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: almost anybody, almost anybody who has a good tattoo like

556
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 1: a one where you can be like, Okay, maybe it's

557
00:30:58,040 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: for you, maybe it's not for you, but you can

558
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 1: look at it and you can say, hey, that's a

559
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: great it's a well done tattoo. Almost all those people

560
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 1: have at least one, if not several, bad tattoos. Now

561
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: this one you could have fixed with a spell check.

562
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: That's a little bit different. If that's in factory what

563
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 1: he has, I've not seen it. On the other hand,

564
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: you know it just most people don't don't know how

565
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: to get tattoos. You know. I've got a bunch of them.

566
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: I've never I didn't realize it until many years in

567
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: how to do it right, Like, you need to figure

568
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 1: out from concept what you want. You need to have

569
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 1: a consultation ahead of time. If you really want to

570
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 1: do it right. It needs to be the appropriate size,

571
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 1: It needs to match the body contours. You probably need

572
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 1: to pay a lot more for it than you're expecting.

573
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: You know, again, these are general rules of things. You

574
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: need to go to somebody who's a specialist in the

575
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: style that you want. In general, if they can't do it,

576
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: they should refer you to somebody who can. You should

577
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 1: be you know, you should be prepared to pay a

578
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: lot for it. Like there's all kinds of like you

579
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: need to do it the right way. It takes planning

580
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: and time and an execution, and most people just you know,

581
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: have buddies who do it, or they'll go to some

582
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,239
Speaker 1: fuck head you know, low end shop that will just

583
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: you know, throw it on them real quick or whatever.

584
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 1: So listen, you know, Actually I was talking to a

585
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 1: tattoosts the other day, a friend of a friend, and

586
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: he was telling me that there's a little bit too

587
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: much black on one side, like just too much dark

588
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: shading to really understand the full picture, but that in general,

589
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: if you like traditional styles of tattoos, that the gorilla

590
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: on the chest of McGregor was actually really good. It

591
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: was actually a well done tattoo. But what they didn't

592
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: understand was why would you get a traditional style gorilla

593
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 1: on your chest and then get sort of like a

594
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: portrait realist tiger on your stomach. You have some of

595
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: these two very different kinds of tattoos right on top

596
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: of each other in big, bold ways. But you know,

597
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: people like what they like, so stupid ask question, I'm

598
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 1: gonna skip which UFC fighters do I think will get

599
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: cut it's gonna be a combination probably of let's see age,

600
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: so somebody who's probably closer to forty than thirty. Again,

601
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: this will be you know, it won't be a hard

602
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: and fast rule, like there might be some older people

603
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: who don't get cut, there might be some younger people

604
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 1: who do, so keep that in mind. But as a

605
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 1: general rule, I'm expecting something like if you're on the

606
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: other side of thirty five, if you are a former

607
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: legend who's clearly the best days are behind you. Doesn't

608
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 1: mean you're bad, but your best days are probably behind you.

609
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: If you're one of those who's on that sort of bubble,

610
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 1: but you're also expensive, which again, it's not gonna be

611
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: a huge amount of people. It's gonna be a limited amount,

612
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,479
Speaker 1: but there'll be some. If you just had a bad record,

613
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: you know you haven't really done really well, if you've

614
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 1: not been consistent. Right, if they call you up, are

615
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: you able to meaningfully get back out there quickly? Right?

616
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 1: Do you have fast turnover? I mean, Angela Hill went

617
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 1: from somebody who I think was butting heads with UFC

618
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: staff a little bit too until they figured out like,

619
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: if you call her up, dude, she's ready to go.

620
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: Now she got COVID. Okay, there's only so much you

621
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 1: can do about that. But in general, you know, they

622
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: give her the phone call, she's ready to go. They

623
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 1: love that kind of stuff. They love it if you

624
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 1: can make a fast turnaround. So people who've not been

625
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 1: so good about that. If you've been injury prone, you've

626
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,439
Speaker 1: been out a long time, you know that's gonna really

627
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: probably affect you if you've not really been able to

628
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 1: curry any kind of a fan base, Like people just

629
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: can't tell if you're coming or going if they've got

630
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: too many from the same kind of geographic location. Right,

631
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 1: we don't need this many fighters from I'm gonna make

632
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 1: up someplace Germany. I don't think that that's really I

633
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:50,879
Speaker 1: think that they'm thinking about for Germany. But there might

634
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: be some other place where we have just this overfill

635
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: a fighter from an area we can't really service. I

636
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Speaker 1: don't really have use for it in terms of our

637
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Speaker 1: marketing issues. And if you're not especially good or stand

638
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: out that kind of thing. So there's a lot of

639
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 1: different things in play there between cost age, record future,

640
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: past popularity, geographic relevance. There might be some as a

641
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 1: function of weight class we have too many welter weights.

642
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 1: We don't need this many welter weights, like, we don't

643
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 1: have any use for them. We can't keep them in rotation.

644
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 1: They just don't match the needs for which we have.

645
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: So if there's an overfill in one particular weight class,

646
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 1: you might see a lot of them get cut. So

647
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: it'll be probably along those lines. It's more just about

648
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:33,879
Speaker 1: roster maintenance, and some of that will involve painful deletions

649
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 1: right from the Again, there will be some names when

650
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: you're like, damn, really, there'll be some of those. But

651
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: the whole, the overarching issue is are they going to

652
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 1: do it enough to change the real stranglehold that they

653
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: have on the world's elite enemy talent? Why the fuck

654
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: would they do that? You know, it's just very hard

655
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:54,879
Speaker 1: for me to believe that's true. But I guess we'll see.

656
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:56,439
Speaker 1: I guess we'll see. Maybe they have some other plans.

657
00:35:56,440 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: Who they all knows, Okay, MiG and Anderson versus Kayla Harrison.

658
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: Who wins? Probably Kayla. If you could revisit one event

659
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 1: in your life, what would it be? Wow, that's a

660
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 1: great question. Revisit you mean, like do it over? Man?

661
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: Sure made a lot of mistakes along the way, but

662
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: had some good times too, had some great successes. If

663
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: I could revisit just one, Christ on crutches just an event, right,

664
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 1: So I can't like go back to a chapter. It's

665
00:36:53,360 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 1: just sort of a moment in time. I don't know

666
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 1: i'd have to. I mean, Jesus, there's so many I

667
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: have to think about them a lot. I mean, maybe

668
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: the last time I saw my mom or something, right, like,

669
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: if I could go back in time and I knew

670
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 1: that was the last time I'd ever see her, I know,

671
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: it sounds kind of sad, but like maybe I would

672
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 1: have done more with it, you know, or I don't know,

673
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: try to intervene in some way to make it that

674
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be the last time, Like, yeah, probably it's

675
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 1: probably something like that. I mean, all those other ones.

676
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,280
Speaker 1: It's not like there's things I didn't want to do differently,

677
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: but it wouldn't be a singular event. There's like there's

678
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: like chapters of my life. And that sounds like a

679
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: little bit like, oh my god, there was four years

680
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 1: that went wrong. I don't mean it that way, but

681
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: you what I mean to say is there were things

682
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: I would like to be different about my life. But

683
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 1: I couldn't fix it in a singular moment. It wasn't

684
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 1: that like the entire chapter was bad. No, quite the opposite.

685
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 1: There may have been many good things about it, but

686
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: in order to write what I didn't like about it,

687
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 1: it would be a pains taking process. So if I

688
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: had just one moment, it would probably be something like that, Right,

689
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 1: if I got one more chance to go back and

690
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:08,720
Speaker 1: do that correctly. How do you think the country should

691
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: solve these student debt crisis moving forward? Right? This is

692
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 1: sort of a funny one, right, So there's basically there's

693
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: two sort of competing theories about it. One is that

694
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 1: essentially you could almost wipe out all virtually all student

695
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 1: debt and by executive decree more or less or the

696
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 1: other ones is the other way to do it is,

697
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 1: I mean, people are at least mostly sympathetic to some

698
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 1: student debt being relieved. They're relief. Excuse me. There are

699
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: very few people who are like, fuck student debt, just

700
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,879
Speaker 1: live with it. I mean, understand the nature of student debt.

701
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 1: It's not even something historically speaking, and I think this

702
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: is still the case. You can't like declare bankruptcy and

703
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 1: get out of it, you know. You know, so, Okay,

704
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 1: there might be a way if you went to trade

705
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: school and you had, you know, a trade where you

706
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 1: used your hands for some kind of manual labor, specialized

707
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: manual labor, but manual labor, and your arms got chopped

708
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 1: off in some kind of horrible accident. Yeah, they might

709
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: relieve you of your student debt there, but in general,

710
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: they're not going to relieve you of it. So it's

711
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,919
Speaker 1: a very very sticky kind of debt. And obviously, given

712
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: the nature of the ballooning costs of higher education in

713
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: the United States of America, it can be a pretty

714
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: substantive one. Like I had a previous girlfriend. She's now

715
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 1: an attorney for the EPA, but Jesus, I mean her

716
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,359
Speaker 1: student debt was you know, I mean you could buy

717
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 1: a mansion on the amount of debt that she had.

718
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 1: I think she's doing okay now, but she had a

719
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 1: rough you know. I mean there's a lot of years

720
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 1: where she was eating ramen noodles, you know what I mean,

721
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: Like it was a long time before she was even

722
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: paid down a significant chunk of it, and even then

723
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 1: it was like, what was really did it have to

724
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 1: all be this way anyway. So the first one is

725
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: to just sort of decreate all to go away for

726
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: the most part. But there's another sort of competing claim,

727
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 1: which is essentially to means tested. Right, So how much

728
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 1: is the debt? How much is the debt relative you're

729
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: ability to pay it back? There is what you have

730
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 1: to understand is there is incontrovertible data that shows that

731
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 1: were you to wipe out most college debt, who would

732
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: that be mostly servicing? And it would be mostly servicing

733
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 1: high income earners or people who are from families of

734
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: high income earners. Okay, So the problem with that is,

735
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 1: as most people will tell you, is why are we

736
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 1: bailing out people who are high income earners? And it's

737
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,879
Speaker 1: a very reasonable question. I don't think there's anything wrong

738
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: with asking, Hey, okay, I understand that student debt can

739
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 1: be crippling, but maybe we should do something about it, right.

740
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 1: I am not of the belief that means testing is

741
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 1: the best answer on this one. I tend to think

742
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 1: that the majority of student debts should just be eliminated

743
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:47,399
Speaker 1: a wholesale. I tend to think that when you get

744
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 1: to means testing, you give a lot of very incomplete

745
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 1: relief to more complex problems. The reason why I'm not

746
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 1: in favor of that is what I would say is

747
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:02,359
Speaker 1: a couple of things. One, you can be somebody who

748
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: went to Duke and then you got a MBA in something,

749
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 1: and you could be making a lot of money and

750
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 1: you can more or less be able to pay it

751
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,320
Speaker 1: back or whatever the case may be. But that doesn't

752
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: mean that if we didn't relieve this. You know, let's say,

753
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,720
Speaker 1: I know plenty of people who had one hundred two hundred,

754
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: three hundred thousand or more in student debt, especially when

755
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 1: I went to grad school. I mean, this is very

756
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 1: easy to find. These are people that would have bought

757
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 1: homes a lot sooner, they would have reinvested through other

758
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 1: consumer purchases, started at a family much earlier, you would

759
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 1: have much more life cycle turning by virtue of having

760
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,439
Speaker 1: that debt relieved. Okay, it's the first thing i'd say.

761
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: I think the second thing I would say is, I

762
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 1: don't think mean if they did just means testing, that

763
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 1: wouldn't be the end of the world. But these half

764
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: continuous half measures, I think is a real problem with

765
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 1: the way in which our country currently addresses all the

766
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: issues that we have we take a lot of very

767
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,240
Speaker 1: very small steps that aren't all as nearly as meaningful

768
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:02,839
Speaker 1: as they could be. There's no real reason to not

769
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: be means testing, even if there is some ability for

770
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: the people who be getting relief to pay it back.

771
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: But the bigger one is folks are saying, well, Jesus,

772
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:10,919
Speaker 1: why are we bailing out people who have? And again

773
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: the data is clear, like you'd be bailing out people

774
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: of the higher economic order. The reason you would want

775
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: to do that is because that would be one among

776
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 1: many steps we should take to help out working Americans,

777
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 1: whether they are a blue collar or whether they are

778
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 1: a white collar. I mean. Part of the problem with

779
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: the argument about with the relief of student debt is

780
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: that they make it out to be like this is

781
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 1: what we should do, and that's it. There's not that,

782
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,839
Speaker 1: I mean, it would There's so much more that can

783
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 1: be done, whether it relates to other incentives and education

784
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: to help up people who have, who want to get

785
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 1: vocational training about the nature of accepting debt in the

786
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 1: first place, about what are some forms of debt that

787
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 1: disproportionately affect low income workers, What are some forms of

788
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 1: policy relief that we can implement, towards them. It's really

789
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 1: not about doing one and then you know, we're done here.

790
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,800
Speaker 1: That to me, that would be the first step among

791
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 1: many that you might want to take inside of higher education,

792
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 1: particularly post secondary and then uh, well what I say

793
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 1: exclusively post secondary, but even then I mean post post secondary,

794
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: And then that would be the first among many steps.

795
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 1: You would have to do a whole lot more to

796
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 1: address the very real needs of middle and then lower

797
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:27,320
Speaker 1: income Americans to have the same kinds of debt relieved

798
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 1: upon them, whether it's a student died or not, whatever

799
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 1: the economic harms, whether there's you know, one of the

800
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 1: biggest issues is transgenerational wealth. What are some what are

801
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: some isssions we can do about that? Housing discrimination, affordable housing? Again,

802
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: inside education, what is ways to get to impact vocational training?

803
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: What about lorry the cost for state schools, what about

804
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: making barriers to entry a little bit you know, less

805
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:56,439
Speaker 1: significant for them. I mean, there's a number of things

806
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: you can do. So, like the argument is, oh, let's

807
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 1: not about the rich, Well, let's not exclusively bail out

808
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: higher earning Americans, but would you be benefiting the overall

809
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: American economy and especially those people's lives in a pretty

810
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 1: significant way by relieving that debt. I mean, there's no

811
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 1: argument about that. There's very clear. It's very clear you

812
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: would do that. It's just that shouldn't be the only

813
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: thing that we do. We should do a whole lot

814
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 1: of things that really go to the heart of I mean,

815
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 1: this is how we should fight, right. You and I

816
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:35,359
Speaker 1: should not fight along culture war, we should fight along class. Right.

817
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: There is way too much economic distribution that is happening

818
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 1: in a way that does not benefit enough people. Yes, again,

819
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 1: bailing out higher education students predominantly who are from upper

820
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 1: middle and middle income ours isn't the best example, per se.

821
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: But in general, what we want is a situation where

822
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: we're not fighting over you know, do you like guns,

823
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 1: do you not like guns? We will be fighting together

824
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:09,879
Speaker 1: against corporate bailouts, against a lack of access to higher

825
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 1: education for low and middle income earners, a lack of

826
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 1: access to affordable health care. Let's fight along those terms together,

827
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: not along the other ones. I think that's the way

828
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 1: we need to reshift our conversations in our politics. With

829
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 1: countries like Russia and Georgia having a lot of talent

830
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 1: emerged in the last couple of years. What countries do

831
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,479
Speaker 1: you think will have a wave of fighters come into MMA.

832
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 1: Anything in the Caucaus Mountains, Caucasus Mountains is going to

833
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 1: be ripe for the picking. But you go, why don't

834
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 1: we see more from Cuba. I suspect it's a lack

835
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: of access to training. Puerto Rico. I don't know quite exactly.

836
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 1: I would imagine something similar. Thailand. You see a lot

837
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 1: of them coming from Thailand. I don't know. I mean,

838
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 1: we see a shipload coming from Thailand. You mean like

839
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 1: native ties might be a recruitment issue there. The Netherlands,

840
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: you see a bunch. They all have good fighters from

841
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: other forms of martial arts. Want MMA? Really, MMA, you

842
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: don't have good fighters from the Netherlands and MMA, dude,

843
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 1: you got a fuck load from the Netherlands, maybe less

844
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 1: so now than you had previously, even though I'm not

845
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,800
Speaker 1: even really sure if that's true. But sometimes the cultures

846
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,479
Speaker 1: are going to have their own. Like my travels through

847
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:27,720
Speaker 1: Latin America generally has not been that they don't want

848
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 1: there's no culture of combat sports. It's just concentrated in

849
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: certain ways. Boxing training is significantly cheaper to get at

850
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 1: a higher level than it is for MMA. It's just

851
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 1: it's a lot cheaper. It's very expensive to get MMA

852
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 1: training generally speaking, and there has to be access to coaching,

853
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: there has to be access to facilities, there has to

854
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: be access to resources. Much of those things, Let's take

855
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 1: Puerto Rico for example, are built out there. I mean,

856
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 1: how many good boxers have come from Puerto Rico? A

857
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: metric ton and asload have come from Puerto Rico. They

858
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: got this new kid, what's his name, Edgar Berlanga is

859
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 1: that his name? Seventeen and oh, seventeen first round knockouts.

860
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,919
Speaker 1: I mean, this guy's an absolute monster. Joe Fat Joe

861
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 1: is always blowing up his Instagram and he's just the

862
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 1: latest one. You know. There's just there's that. We just

863
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:20,879
Speaker 1: watched the Hector Camacho documentary on Showtime. Like there's tons.

864
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 1: So if you want to get good boxing training from

865
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 1: Puerto Rico, you probably can. Cuba doesn't have a for

866
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: profit industry, so that's going to limit it. Thailand has

867
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 1: all kinds of camps aka tiger Muay tie, the whole

868
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:38,359
Speaker 1: nine yards. They now, they recruit internationally and they reproduce internationally. Again,

869
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 1: you're talking about native ties. There might be some. I

870
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 1: think there's like some poverty issues where are also, like,

871
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 1: you know, white did the kids fight? The kids fight

872
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 1: and tie boxing so that they can get money to

873
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: their poor families. Like it doesn't have the same there's

874
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: not the same life opportunities for elective combat sports in

875
00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 1: that kind of a way. That's the best guess I

876
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 1: can make with being an expert on this. And the

877
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 1: Netherlands they're heavy into kickboxing. I don't know how many

878
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 1: active Dutch fighters we have relative to how many we

879
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 1: used to have, but it's still pretty high. I think,

880
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 1: well Hall versus Thor be watching, Yeah, you're gonna see this.

881
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 1: Eddie Hall had a five hundred kilo deadlift and then

882
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 1: Thor had the five hundred and one kilo deadlift, and

883
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 1: now they're gonna box each other. It's gonna be the

884
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 1: worst shit ever. But I am gonna watch it because

885
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 1: if I am nothing if not an incredible hypocrite, I mean,

886
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 1: I'm I'm like standing outright, that fight is going to

887
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: be shit. But because I also love strength sports and

888
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 1: you've got two of the best pullers of all time boxing,

889
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,879
Speaker 1: it's gonna be It's gonna be absolute ass. I think

890
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: Hall is gonna beat him. I think Thor is just

891
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: and when you get super muscly like that, they have

892
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 1: no mobility, you know, there's not much they can do,

893
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 1: and they don't have a lot of that same kind

894
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:56,359
Speaker 1: of athletic coordination. Hall used to be a swimmer, you know,

895
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:58,399
Speaker 1: and I think tends to have a little bit more

896
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 1: dexterity in that way. So I'm expecting him to be

897
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 1: a little bit, you know, spicier come fight time. But

898
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 1: Thor is gonna get Thor. He can barely move, man.

899
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:09,760
Speaker 1: I mean, he can pull weight, and he can press

900
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 1: it overhead and he can carry it, but I don't

901
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: think you can do much else. Luke was your favorite

902
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 1: personal weight division to watch in the UFC? Right now?

903
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 1: Good question? Overall division? I'm still gonna say lightweight, but

904
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 1: bantam weight is probably right there. Who is your fight

905
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: of the year pick? Probably Poorier Hooker. I have to

906
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 1: think a little bit more about it, but probably that one.

907
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 1: I mean, how many times when a fight was over

908
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:00,080
Speaker 1: and I said this when that fight was over? How

909
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 1: many times when a fight was over? I mean you

910
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:05,320
Speaker 1: always respect what they do, of course, right anyone with

911
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:09,359
Speaker 1: the functioning brain looks at them killing each other out

912
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:11,839
Speaker 1: there and saying to themself, wow, man, it's really you know,

913
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 1: it's impressive what they do. And I have respect for

914
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:18,319
Speaker 1: the sacrifices that they make for our entertainment, even if

915
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 1: they're getting paid. But how many times when a fight

916
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: is over do you say wow, man, like wherever you

917
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 1: were by yourself in front of your computer, this is

918
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: where I watch all my fights, right here, or with

919
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 1: someone with family or wherever. How many times have you

920
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 1: been able to say that was a privilege to be

921
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 1: here to watch that live. That was a privilege, Because

922
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 1: even if you watch that fight afterwards, it's not the

923
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 1: same privilege. You got to catch it. You got to

924
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 1: catch that lightning in a bottle a little bit. And

925
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:48,320
Speaker 1: when that fight was over, man, I felt I felt

926
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 1: a little bit like I had won the lottery a

927
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 1: little bit. You know that you want to me not

928
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 1: ten million dollars, but certainly a scratch off. I mean

929
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 1: maybe more than that too, Like you had one of

930
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 1: those experiences where it's it's going to be hard to

931
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 1: play that one back. It's going to be a long

932
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 1: time before you're like, wow, that was man, that was

933
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 1: something I had tremendous. But for both fighters too tremendous

934
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 1: respect for what they were able to do and what

935
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:18,320
Speaker 1: they were able to show, and you know, my deepest admiration.

936
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 1: It's not many times you feel that way. So I'm

937
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 1: probably gonna lean that direction, but I'm sure that there's

938
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 1: a host I mean, it was a lot of good

939
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 1: fights this year. For all of the problems in the world,

940
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: there was a lot of good fights this year. So

941
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:30,880
Speaker 1: if that's not the one you have, you might have

942
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:32,720
Speaker 1: a better argument. That's just the one that first comes

943
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 1: to mind. The lto you're referencing Psalm one to eighteen

944
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 1: twenty two on your Twitter buyer when you refer to

945
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:42,879
Speaker 1: the stone that the Builder refused, Well, I think that's

946
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 1: where it comes from. It's also a Bob Marley song,

947
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 1: and it's also from the Boondocks intro. I Am the

948
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 1: Stone that the Builder refused. There's a whole story behind that.

949
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: You said recently that you're trying to no longer eat pork. Yeah,

950
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:04,240
Speaker 1: it's true. What are your personal opinions on the ethics

951
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 1: of eating meat and or consuming animal products like dairy, Well,

952
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 1: this is very complicated. Basically, I tend to believe that

953
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 1: between if you look at all of the I know

954
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 1: people are like, oh, well, there's also harms when you

955
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:26,399
Speaker 1: have look, factory farming is a moral atrocity, and it's

956
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 1: hard to make the argument that it's not. Now what

957
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:32,800
Speaker 1: the solutions are are actually fairly complicated, and what kinds

958
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 1: of farming are less destructive than others is actually a

959
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:39,879
Speaker 1: little bit more complicated than I think you know, your

960
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 1: most hardcore vegan advocate would want to tell you. But

961
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: the reality is what we do to these animals to

962
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 1: make them consumable is a moral horror. And so in

963
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 1: many ways, drawing almost any dividing line that you draw

964
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 1: is going to be quite arbitrary if you're trying to

965
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 1: really solve for moral harm. But I tend to think

966
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:07,359
Speaker 1: doing something is better than nothing, even if it is inconsistent.

967
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 1: I think starting with a place where I just I

968
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 1: just cannot in good conscience eat an animal that has

969
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 1: a complex emotional existence, a social life, familial ties. It's

970
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 1: smarter than other animals that we do not eat and domesticate.

971
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 1: I just I cannot, in good conscience eat this animal.

972
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,319
Speaker 1: And I realize that like sort of like you know,

973
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 1: banging your fist down on the platform here and asking

974
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 1: to see the manager and pulling a Karen. I am

975
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:36,279
Speaker 1: not trying to convert you with this. It's really not

976
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:37,919
Speaker 1: what I'm up against. You're asking me how I feel.

977
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 1: I tell you how I feel. People are gonna feel differently,

978
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 1: and they're going to have him any cases good reasons

979
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 1: for it, right. You know, Joe Rogan is an interesting

980
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:45,919
Speaker 1: case here because he goes and hunts his own meat.

981
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 1: I don't have the luxury of doing that, so I

982
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 1: haven't given up meat eating entirely, which will make me

983
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 1: a hypocrite. But again, I tend to think that if

984
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 1: you're looking at issues around water safety, if you're looking

985
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 1: around issues of sustainable farming, if you're looking at issues

986
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 1: with you know, the growth of antiviral drugs and how

987
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:08,919
Speaker 1: that's being impacted by factory farming, there are a lot

988
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 1: of problems that could at least be somewhat addressed, if

989
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 1: not solved, by a significant reduction in the way in

990
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 1: which we currently factory farm. And so I think if

991
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,720
Speaker 1: Americans ate a lot less meat, starting with whatever starting

992
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 1: point you wanted to go to, chickens being the biggest one, right,

993
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 1: Pork is not even the biggest meat that we can

994
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:30,880
Speaker 1: animal protein that we consume annually. Then I think you

995
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 1: can begin to make a difference. So I'm not here

996
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:35,879
Speaker 1: to tell you I've got some morally enlightened position. These

997
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 1: are all very difficult things because then even if you

998
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: go full on vegan, there actually begins to raise another

999
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 1: series of issues around what kind of substitution in farming

1000
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 1: do you get? What kind of harms do those farms raise?

1001
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:53,760
Speaker 1: But I just do not wish to eat an animal

1002
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:58,720
Speaker 1: that has the qualities that pigs do, and I can't.

1003
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 1: I just can't. I can't in good conscious do it.

1004
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 1: I don't feel the same way about beef, but I

1005
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:07,400
Speaker 1: probably should because I've seen I've seen the same are

1006
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 1: similar arguments made about the complexity of their lives and

1007
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:14,240
Speaker 1: the abuse that they go through, and it's it's terrible.

1008
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 1: It's absolutely terrible. Factory farming is an absolute moral horror.

1009
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 1: And what we are doing is, you know, it's weird, right,

1010
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 1: because the other part is as meat consumption grows in

1011
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 1: parts of Asia that were previously destitute, and in particular

1012
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 1: parts of Africa, you're actually seeing the hunger gap close

1013
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 1: by virtue of their access to meat. Now, I don't

1014
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:39,239
Speaker 1: know if they have the exact same issues in some

1015
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 1: of these smaller countries that we do with factory farming.

1016
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 1: But in the case of like you know, China, for example,

1017
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 1: which has massive port consumption, they do not necessarily have

1018
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 1: the best record when it comes to animal welfare. I mean,

1019
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 1: I want to live in a world where we can

1020
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 1: have sustainable farms that don't cause pollution, that don't impoverish farmers.

1021
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 1: That's another big issue with all of this, and that

1022
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 1: we don't ritually tore and murder sentient animals that have complex,

1023
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 1: you know, intellectual or I should say, psychological and emotional

1024
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 1: lives on an annual basis. How we get there, you know,

1025
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 1: good luck trying to figure that out. But I think

1026
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:17,359
Speaker 1: as a starting point for me, this is where I am,

1027
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 1: and I do believe something is better than nothing. It

1028
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 1: goes back to the sort of the means testing of

1029
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 1: the of the student debt. One solution might actually be

1030
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 1: better than the other. But I think even if you're

1031
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:28,319
Speaker 1: in the camp that like, oh, we should eliminate all

1032
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:30,439
Speaker 1: student debt, and they end up doing just the means

1033
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 1: testing part, that is better than nothing. What is one

1034
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:39,359
Speaker 1: realistic improvement Nate Diaz could make to his game at

1035
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 1: this point in his career that would most radically improve

1036
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:45,399
Speaker 1: his chances of success. Well, what is he thirty? Hell?

1037
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:51,799
Speaker 1: Is Nate say thirty five something like that somewhere around there.

1038
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 1: Thirty five? He turned thirty five in April. Well, when

1039
00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:59,839
Speaker 1: you're thirty five, man, it's kind of baked into what

1040
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 1: you do, and there's not a whole lot of change

1041
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 1: that is realistic at that point. There's some you can

1042
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 1: introduce one, Okay, so you're asking about one realistic improvement

1043
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 1: Nate ds can make to his game that would most

1044
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 1: radically improve his chances of success. Head movement, A little

1045
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 1: bit of head movement, I think, taking a little bit

1046
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 1: less damage, getting cut a little bit less. Let me

1047
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 1: look at his numbers here, because he got tuned up

1048
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 1: a little bit in that jrhem masoit all fight right,

1049
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 1: Let's see. I mean he still has a better he

1050
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:39,440
Speaker 1: still has a positive differential, but he's got to know

1051
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 1: he takes a lot of shots strikes landing permitted. He's

1052
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: at four point sixty two strikes of sorbs. He's at

1053
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 1: three point seven eight, So it's still positive, but it's

1054
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 1: getting it's a little bit tight, you know. He got

1055
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 1: knocked down twice against Mazwudally eight one hundred and twelve

1056
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 1: significant strikes there. He ate seventy from Pettis, he ate

1057
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty five from McGregor, He ate six

1058
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 1: steve plus from Regregor. Before that, he ate one hundred

1059
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:04,920
Speaker 1: and three from I mean even in the Michael Johnson

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00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 1: fight he ate one hundred and three. So some kind

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Speaker 1: of of head movement right, just getting out of the

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00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 1: way of things a little bit, because he does a

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00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 1: look mean, he does a little bit of the covering

1064
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 1: thing which makes him take shots to the body. There's

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00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 1: not a whole lot you can do about that. If

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Speaker 1: you're gonna cover your face, they're gonna they're gonna chew

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Speaker 1: you up. But I kind of believe if you've got

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Speaker 1: a good job and you can not just leaning but

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00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 1: I mean side to side, slipping right and then setting

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00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 1: it up a little bit, I tend to think that

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00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:34,439
Speaker 1: would actually preserve him, Especially for a guy who's better

1072
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 1: late right because he has such a good gas tank.

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00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 1: Not taking as much early damage I think would be

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00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 1: really beneficial for him. And I don't think it's that.

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00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 1: I mean, he's not gonna get very good at it

1076
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 1: given the age, but any again, something's better than nothing, right,

1077
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 1: Why did you move most of your content to the

1078
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 1: Morning Combat channel after working every day to build it

1079
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 1: up over one hundred k. I was basically a day

1080
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 1: one subscriber to the LT channel and was disappointed when

1081
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 1: you did, even though I love bcing Morning Combat. I'm

1082
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 1: working on some I know no one believes this. It's fine,

1083
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 1: you don't have to, but I'm trying to get some

1084
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 1: stuff going for that channel. Here a little bit. Sunday

1085
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 1: digests every Sunday. Now, there wasn't a real need to

1086
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 1: do a breakdown last week, but after this weekend there

1087
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 1: will be. So I'll have that on Monday. I'll have

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00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 1: technical difficulties on Monday. My goal is to get three

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00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 1: videos up a week, maybe more after that, but that's

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00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 1: the goal is three. I mean, I was sort of

1091
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:38,440
Speaker 1: been thinking about this. It was like, I have a

1092
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 1: Patreon account, it's not active. I'm not going to activate

1093
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 1: it now, but part of me is like, I just

1094
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 1: want to activate it. That way, I could do not

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00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 1: just YouTube stuff, but I could do all kinds of

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00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 1: other things, whether it be written or or just straight audio.

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00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 1: By the way, there's that opportunity as well, but I

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00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 1: don't know if I'm really to make that kind of

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00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 1: commitment just yet. I want to get MK a little

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00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 1: bit further along before I do. But believe me, it's

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01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 1: not that I don't want to do those things. It's

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01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 1: just I want to. I need to. I need to.

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01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 1: I need to have a bet more coherent plan, and

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01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 1: I really don't, but I'm sort of slowly putting one together.

1105
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 1: So I apologize, but don't worry too much. Who's your

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01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 1: favorite sports junkie? I like them all equally, which is

1107
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 1: so you say about your favorite children. Let's see, I

1108
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 1: didn't see this thoughts on Isy partying with COVID denier

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01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 1: Jake Paul and his posse of smooth brained zombies after

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01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 1: the Jones Tyson card. I didn't see them partying. I

1111
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 1: saw them bantering after the fact when the fight was over,

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01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 1: in like a hotel lobby, which wasn't so bad. But

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01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:51,960
Speaker 1: you know, listen, man, I mean, listen, here's the deal.

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01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:53,760
Speaker 1: Even if he gets COVID, he has to go do

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01:00:53,840 --> 01:01:05,040
Speaker 1: quarantine in New Zealand, so you know, mm hm m

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01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 1: m mmmm. Do you think they should make the featured

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01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 1: prelim five rounds. No, but they should make Uh, there

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01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:19,440
Speaker 1: should be a way to do non title fights that

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Speaker 1: are comaines as h five rounds. I think, how many

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Speaker 1: times a day do you think BC google images rocko. Oh,

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01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 1: he probably has some kind of program and app on

1122
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 1: his phone that just you know, like like you know,

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01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:41,400
Speaker 1: his screen saver is probably just a random photo generator

1124
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 1: of Roco terrorizing women. You know? Mmmm mmm? Do you

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Speaker 1: think we're headed in a new direction with the sport?

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Speaker 1: Given the changing of rosters in multiple organizations, there appears

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01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 1: to be something of a shift happening. But let's see

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Speaker 1: what the shift looks like before we make any bold

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01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:10,280
Speaker 1: declarations about it. I tend to think it's a modest

1130
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 1: adjustment at most, but we will see. Look, you always

1131
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:24,400
Speaker 1: mentioned that MMA is a young sport and is developing

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01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:29,560
Speaker 1: through them through the minute. Therefore, fighters are becoming better

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01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 1: and more well rounded with each generation. Yet people don't

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01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:35,480
Speaker 1: think this way about boxing. Many people still see Mhammad

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01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:38,360
Speaker 1: Ali and Trigary Robinson as the greatest Ever do you

1136
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:40,920
Speaker 1: personally see them as the best? Still has newer generations

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01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:43,680
Speaker 1: past them? Well, in certain cases, you know, you do

1138
01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 1: have athletic training being better than ever you know, in

1139
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:51,200
Speaker 1: access to a wider population in certain ways, with the

1140
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:55,720
Speaker 1: globalization of boxing, that has given you a certain overall

1141
01:02:55,800 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 1: level of performance boost in certain divisions or at certain times.

1142
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 1: But you know, you gotta understand something. Boxing has been

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01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:12,440
Speaker 1: around for well over a century, well over a century.

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01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:14,720
Speaker 1: I think we're going on a century and a half almost,

1145
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:18,800
Speaker 1: and so we have not reached the end of the

1146
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 1: end of boxing where it can't get any better. It

1147
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:27,760
Speaker 1: certainly can. But if you think about it, think about lifting, right.

1148
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:29,240
Speaker 1: This is why. I don't know if this is the

1149
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:31,040
Speaker 1: best explanation, but this is one I'm going to give you.

1150
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:33,720
Speaker 1: If you are a novice lifter and you begin to

1151
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:36,360
Speaker 1: lift for about a year, you're gonna make pretty substance

1152
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:37,880
Speaker 1: if you do it right. You know, you sleep right,

1153
01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:40,520
Speaker 1: you eat right, you hydrate right, you have good programming,

1154
01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:43,160
Speaker 1: you stick to it, you stay injury free. Right, you

1155
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 1: will make significant progress at a year. You'll make significant

1156
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:48,240
Speaker 1: progress in two years. And then when you get to

1157
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:51,200
Speaker 1: the intermediate stage you can continue to make pretty good progress,

1158
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:54,840
Speaker 1: but it will take a little bit longer. If you

1159
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:58,560
Speaker 1: added fifteen pounds of muscle, whatever the time timeframe was

1160
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:01,120
Speaker 1: for that, to add another fifteen will take a lot longer,

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01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:02,920
Speaker 1: and then you get to a certain point where you

1162
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:05,840
Speaker 1: become an advanced lifter. And if you're an advanced lifter,

1163
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 1: you are basically at the point where you are pretty

1164
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:11,640
Speaker 1: close to your genetic ceiling, your genetic potential. And of

1165
01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:13,200
Speaker 1: course you could take drugs, but let's take that out

1166
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:15,880
Speaker 1: of the equation. You're just gonna work naturally. You can

1167
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 1: still get stuff done, but your programming has to be

1168
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:21,400
Speaker 1: very good. You probably have to add a lot more

1169
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:24,160
Speaker 1: volume than you once did. You just have to do

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01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 1: a lot more to get out of it. With the

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01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:29,360
Speaker 1: growth of boxing decade over decade over decade, that's not true,

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01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:31,880
Speaker 1: just really who it recruited within the United States, but

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01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:36,840
Speaker 1: then globally and blah blah blah, and this is happening

1174
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:39,040
Speaker 1: for long periods of time prior to you know, this

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Speaker 1: generation of fights. It's not that there haven't been improvements

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Speaker 1: per se in the last twenty years in terms of

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Speaker 1: what kind of boxing talent we've seen. You know, Limachenko

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Speaker 1: I think is pretty special historically speaking, but you got

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Speaker 1: to a level of maturity in boxing, certainly going to

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Speaker 1: say in the heavyweight division. In many ways, Anthony Joshua

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01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:01,080
Speaker 1: was pretty big. But in terms of like I say,

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01:05:01,080 --> 01:05:03,920
Speaker 1: skill level with Muhammad Ali, you got to a level

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01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 1: of maturity a long time ago. So there can be

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01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 1: improvements and there can be adjustments, but you've reached a

1185
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 1: ceiling is not quite the right word, but you've reached

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01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:17,360
Speaker 1: a point where any kind of improvement after that is

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01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:20,000
Speaker 1: gonna be fairly incremental. Now, the biggest improvement has been

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01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:22,680
Speaker 1: the size of the athletes. Deoncy Wilder is huge, test

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01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:25,840
Speaker 1: and Fury is huge, Anthony Joshua huge. So there's been

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01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:27,840
Speaker 1: Foreman was big, but you know there's sort of this

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01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:31,760
Speaker 1: array of monsters. There's a big change there. But like

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Speaker 1: in the case of Wilder, like is he as talented

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Speaker 1: as Foreman or Shavers or Ali or listen or excuse me,

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01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:44,040
Speaker 1: I shouldn't say listen but Frasier Like no, like not

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Speaker 1: even close, you know, I mean, go look at the

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Speaker 1: technical maturity of My favorite boxer of all time is

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Speaker 1: Marvin Hagler. I mean, go look at some of the

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Speaker 1: things he was doing in the fucking eighties. You know,

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Speaker 1: you had a very significant level of in game maturity

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01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:04,680
Speaker 1: at that point, which MMA is only now. Really, I'm

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01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:06,720
Speaker 1: not even saying getting to but it's still very much

1202
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:10,080
Speaker 1: going through this tumultuous process of self learning, like fighters

1203
01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 1: that basically realize you have to stay in a certain

1204
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:14,480
Speaker 1: way apart kind of fates and fanks. What low kicks

1205
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:17,040
Speaker 1: work best, what jabs work best? How do you manage around?

1206
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:20,840
Speaker 1: I mean, what's the value of an underhook? Blah blah blah.

1207
01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:23,400
Speaker 1: Like none of this was obvious, none of it was explained.

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01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:27,600
Speaker 1: It had to be learned socially over time. Many of

1209
01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:33,240
Speaker 1: the things in boxing, you know, long before Ali got there,

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01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:36,439
Speaker 1: they had figured that part out, those kinds of sort

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01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:40,040
Speaker 1: of best practices. So training has gotten better, athletes have

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01:06:40,040 --> 01:06:43,800
Speaker 1: gotten better, They've certainly gotten bigger, but technical sophistication of

1213
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:46,760
Speaker 1: the game. While it has made improvements, the level of

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01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:50,960
Speaker 1: improvements from nineteen hundred to nineteen, let's say seventy are

1215
01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:55,720
Speaker 1: much bigger than they were from nineteen seventy to I

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01:06:55,720 --> 01:06:59,960
Speaker 1: don't know, twenty twenty. It's gotten better in many ways,

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01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:03,720
Speaker 1: but you've reached a you've reached a point where those

1218
01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:07,280
Speaker 1: increments are going to be harder to come by. I see,

1219
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:16,439
Speaker 1: if there's one more mm hmmmmmmm, hmmm, true or false?

1220
01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:20,120
Speaker 1: Nate Diaz would lose, but his BJJ would allow him

1221
01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:23,240
Speaker 1: to go the full five rounds with Habib. That's an

1222
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:38,120
Speaker 1: interesting question. Maybe maybe that's actually a really good question, right,

1223
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:40,120
Speaker 1: because he would get taken down no problem, and he

1224
01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:43,000
Speaker 1: would get pounded on, probably a lot. But he has

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01:07:43,040 --> 01:07:45,280
Speaker 1: a good chin and he has enough jiu jitsu to

1226
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:49,480
Speaker 1: threaten underneath and make Kudbibe work for it. Yeah. Maybe

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01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:52,720
Speaker 1: I still tend to think he might get polished off

1228
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:55,320
Speaker 1: a little bit later, but if it was three rounds,

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01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:58,160
Speaker 1: I'd like his chances to go the distance. Yeah, sure,

1230
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:03,720
Speaker 1: that's a that's a fair question. Do you still keep

1231
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:05,840
Speaker 1: in touch with Jeff Wagenheim? We talk on social media

1232
01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:08,600
Speaker 1: on occasion. Are you on good terms with him? Yeah? Sure?

1233
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:17,719
Speaker 1: Where you at a kolonoscopy yesterday? A job interview? Neither neither.

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01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:20,800
Speaker 1: Everything's fine, though, We're good to go. Don't worry. I'm

1235
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:24,840
Speaker 1: not going anywhere I didn't have who Why listen, folks,

1236
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:28,320
Speaker 1: let me explain something about my life. Okay, I have

1237
01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:34,679
Speaker 1: worked two jobs since college. Since college, I've always had

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01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:39,519
Speaker 1: two jobs. I've never had one job. All every time

1239
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:41,879
Speaker 1: I did my taxes, I got payment from this employer

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01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:43,479
Speaker 1: and then this one and sometimes I'd have three or

1241
01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:45,880
Speaker 1: four if there were contract jobs or whatever. But usually

1242
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:48,879
Speaker 1: I had one job and a part time job. Always

1243
01:08:49,360 --> 01:08:52,200
Speaker 1: I have always done that. This is the first time

1244
01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:55,960
Speaker 1: in my life I have not had that, well so

1245
01:08:56,040 --> 01:08:59,280
Speaker 1: since I started working as an adult. That's not an exaggeration.

1246
01:08:59,400 --> 01:09:02,720
Speaker 1: This is the first time in my adult life I

1247
01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:05,559
Speaker 1: have one employer. Now I get paid for my YouTube stuff.

1248
01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:08,240
Speaker 1: But I'm trying to figure out a good plan of

1249
01:09:08,280 --> 01:09:15,040
Speaker 1: action for that, you know. So I am as happy

1250
01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:17,879
Speaker 1: as I could be in terms of my professional ambition.

1251
01:09:18,200 --> 01:09:20,760
Speaker 1: I've said it before. Have I reached the pinnacle? No?

1252
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:23,719
Speaker 1: But have I done a lot. I've been on national TV.

1253
01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:26,320
Speaker 1: I've been on pay per view. You know. I got

1254
01:09:26,320 --> 01:09:28,920
Speaker 1: to go on into Joe Rogan Experience podcast. I've you know,

1255
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:31,920
Speaker 1: interviewed all the biggest fighters in the world. You know.

1256
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:36,320
Speaker 1: I've been on the biggest WMA websites I have. You know,

1257
01:09:36,360 --> 01:09:38,280
Speaker 1: you just go down the list of things that someone

1258
01:09:38,320 --> 01:09:40,280
Speaker 1: that ever made media wants to do. I'm lucky as shit.

1259
01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:42,800
Speaker 1: I got the chance to do almost all of it,

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Speaker 1: almost all of it. I am thrilled. I cannot This

1261
01:09:47,320 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 1: is not me blowing my employer. I'm telling you the truth.

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01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:52,800
Speaker 1: I am very relieved to be where I am in

1263
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:57,960
Speaker 1: my life, super relieved. Don't take it for granted at all,

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01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:01,800
Speaker 1: and I don't any I don't have any desire to

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01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:03,519
Speaker 1: go anywhere else. I want to build what I've got

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Speaker 1: with Brian Campbell. I want to build what I've got

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Speaker 1: with Showtime, and I want to see where we can

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Speaker 1: go with that, because I believe in that it's a

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Speaker 1: project that is one that we cooked up together, and

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Speaker 1: I it would take it would take a shitload to

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Speaker 1: get me away from that, and CBS already takes good

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Speaker 1: care of me. I'm happy, I'll believe it or not.

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Speaker 1: I might be miserable about other things, but in terms

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Speaker 1: of my career ambitions like this is why you'll ask

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Speaker 1: me questions about people I used to work with, I

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Speaker 1: don't give a fuck, Like are they succeeding? Great? Are

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Speaker 1: they failing? That's great too, Like I don't, I don't care.

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Speaker 1: I am. I've done a lot, I've seen a lot.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I've made a contribution. I've got an

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Speaker 1: audience who you know, you'all like to rake me over

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Speaker 1: the col sometimes, but I think you also care. I've

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Speaker 1: got a partner who I can trust. I've got a

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Speaker 1: corporate parent who has made on paper a significant contribution

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Speaker 1: of the project that I believe in that I've created

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Speaker 1: with another guy. And I'm happy. I'm happy all kinds

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Speaker 1: of things I want to achieve still, but I'm not

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm not looking to go anywhere. That's with

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Speaker 1: the colon oscary. I need the schedule one, but no,

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Speaker 1: I did not get one. If you must know, my

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Speaker 1: pet had to get surgery. She's fine, but that's that's

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Speaker 1: what it was. So anyway, okay, all right, well that

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Speaker 1: in mind, hit the subscribe button, tell your friends about it,

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Speaker 1: fucking thumbs up on the video, do whatever you have

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Speaker 1: to do. Okay, So tonight after the Bellator fights, Brian

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Speaker 1: Campbell and I will be on CBS Sports HQ tomorrow

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Speaker 1: morning Combat at eleven. I think we're also going to

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Speaker 1: do another CBS Sports HQ preview for the the Joshua

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Speaker 1: and Pool Left fight plus UFC two fifty six, and

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Speaker 1: then I don't know if we're gonna do a post

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Speaker 1: fight show because I did a post fight show for

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Speaker 1: the last Figuraedo pay per view and it didn't do

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Speaker 1: all that great, so I don't know if we're going

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Speaker 1: to do one, but we'll at a bare minimum have

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Speaker 1: some kind of reaction video out for you either that

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Speaker 1: night or the next morning. Yeah, so be on the

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Speaker 1: lookout for that, all right. Thank you guys so much

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Speaker 1: for watching. Until next time.