Speaker 1: Yo, You're off in God's Country with Breath and Dan
Speaker 1: is book also known as The Brothers Hunt, when we
Speaker 1: take a weekly drive to the intersection of country music
Speaker 1: and a great old outdoors dose things that go together,
Speaker 1: like a size twenty four shoe and Shaquille O'Neill.
Speaker 2: Or his foot technically or illegal Taxi Genny and birds
Speaker 2: of prey. His foot is him though, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Produced by Immediator and iHeart Podcast.
Speaker 1: We're gonna sit down with Drew Holcom and I'm pumped
Speaker 1: about this one.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: I'm a Drew Hope fan. Great songs, dude, loves sports,
Speaker 3: he loves.
Speaker 2: Golf, massive following, and not even really on the commercial
Speaker 2: country scene. He's just makes great songs. People love his music,
Speaker 2: and he's stucked into the Americana world and people love him.
Speaker 2: And I'll get one. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely great songwriter, great dad, great dude, great hang podcast.
Speaker 1: Y'all are gonna love this one. Be sure to check
Speaker 1: it out and thanks for hanging out. And God, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna have to also keep my legs closed for this
Speaker 1: one because I just I thought I grabbed my blue
Speaker 1: jeans that didn't have the holes.
Speaker 3: Bro everywhere. That's the worst one of your favorite jeans
Speaker 3: that I'd assume that if you're wearing them still there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got two pairs of jeans. They're the same,
Speaker 1: exact pairs of jeans. These are the ones, yeah I
Speaker 1: thought I had. These are the ones I've had longer
Speaker 1: than the other ones.
Speaker 2: So, as an artist, how many pairs of jeans do
Speaker 2: you have? Well, I mean in rotation, in rotation?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Well there's this there's this guy in Tuplo, Mississippi,
Speaker 3: who makes these jeans called Blue Delta.
Speaker 2: Maybe the ones I have on Yeah, well.
Speaker 3: Which is hilarious. I'm not wearing them at the second.
Speaker 3: So those are your favorite?
Speaker 2: Those?
Speaker 3: Well, I got them somewhere. I got some, gave me
Speaker 3: a pair, and then I ran. We had a show
Speaker 3: in Oxford and his shop is right across from the venue,
Speaker 3: the Lyric Theater, and he came to show.
Speaker 2: He was like, Hey, you want some more jeans.
Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, sure, Like I'll give you whatever
Speaker 3: she's giving me, probably fifteen pairs of them.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: And so that's pretty much all I wear, especially on stage.
Speaker 2: This is the only pair of jeans that I own,
Speaker 2: and I wear them three four times a week.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, do you wear nothing in the other
Speaker 3: three to four days just jogging pants.
Speaker 1: Yes, there's many of days that you can roll up
Speaker 1: to Dan's house and just like surprising and and he's
Speaker 1: just happened.
Speaker 2: He just got way too big with drinking coffee.
Speaker 1: And uh he'll just be like in a T shirt
Speaker 1: with and like everybody else in his house will be
Speaker 1: clothed with Dan's just T shirt and uh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, kids kind of ruined that for me, but I guess,
Speaker 3: you know, they don't want to see their dad walking around.
Speaker 2: I feel that clothes mine don't have a choice. So
Speaker 2: be glad that you're not one more kids.
Speaker 3: What happened to your Joe's love? I thought you loved Joe.
Speaker 2: Joe did, but uh, they just tear so easy.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: Well that's why there's holes. All these feel just like
Speaker 2: Joe's now, except they don't. I had cross blasted.
Speaker 3: You know. I'm definitely at that point in my life
Speaker 3: where I have everything that I from socks all the
Speaker 3: way to hats. I if I have something I like,
Speaker 3: I just go buy like six pairs of it. And
Speaker 3: You're like, I'm gonna wear the same shirt maybe in
Speaker 3: a different color.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for the next three years. Yeah, totally. I hate
Speaker 2: mine clothes, man.
Speaker 3: And on the road now, I literally wore the same
Speaker 3: jacket every night for the entire tour and it was
Speaker 3: so great because I didn't think about it until two
Speaker 3: minutes before I went on stage. Just grab it and go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what jacket is.
Speaker 3: It's like this old sort of seventies Camo print jacket.
Speaker 3: And then I founded at a men's store in Austin, Texas,
Speaker 3: and yeah, it's just like some random thing I found.
Speaker 2: Camo goes with everything, dude and goes.
Speaker 3: Does your wife is your wife? Like, we got to
Speaker 3: get your more clothes? You always wear the same cline? No, no, no,
Speaker 3: we we have. I have plenty of clothes. I just
Speaker 3: don't wear them all.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's I don't know if you know this is
Speaker 3: my wife.
Speaker 1: She she hates. How do you feel by his WORDE?
Speaker 1: I wear the same thing. But it's also like what
Speaker 1: I mow the yard in I wear to work, yeah,
Speaker 1: and I wear around town and you know that kind
Speaker 1: of thing, Like I just like have clothes. I don't
Speaker 1: have specific clothes for specific things. I just wear the
Speaker 1: clothes I got for whatever I'm doing.
Speaker 3: Well, I feel like, you know, guys we have it's
Speaker 3: pretty easy to be a guy because the style has
Speaker 3: been the same for like two hundred years. It's like
Speaker 3: pants shoes. Sure, absolutely, you know, except when it comes
Speaker 3: to our hobbies. Yeah, Like my wife makes fun of
Speaker 3: all the golf shirts yep. And then she's like, you
Speaker 3: have six fishing shirts and you went fishing one time
Speaker 3: last year. I'm like, but what if I went this
Speaker 3: different kind of fishing? Absolutely?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 3: Or are you wearing it? This is the orange shirt
Speaker 3: for I thought you're going hunting. I was like, well,
Speaker 3: I'm going duck hunting. She's like, so you don't wear
Speaker 3: the orange one. I'm like, well no, because the ducks
Speaker 3: can see the orange. She said, well, who doesn't see
Speaker 3: the orange. I'm like, well, dear, well, actually I mainly
Speaker 3: hunt quail with orange stuff. She's like, so the quail
Speaker 3: can see orange. Like, well, that so the guys don't
Speaker 3: shoot me, She's like, the duck guys don't shoot.
Speaker 2: Just stop talking. Stop.
Speaker 1: It all makes sense if you're wondering who uh who
Speaker 1: another artist voice? Man, good, good, solid artist voice on
Speaker 1: the couch you talking singing?
Speaker 2: Is uh?
Speaker 3: We got mister Drew hulkom with us this morning. Man,
Speaker 3: everybody looking good, looking like an artist coming in. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he's got his head's busted up.
Speaker 2: At up. I was.
Speaker 3: I was getting out of a sprinter van and you know,
Speaker 3: they got that huge Mercedes logo on the back, huge
Speaker 3: half the logo goes out about three inches past the doorframe.
Speaker 2: That's what.
Speaker 3: And and the physics. I was planning on the regular door,
Speaker 3: not the extra three inches inches of clear and man,
Speaker 3: it clocked me right in there, just absolutely took you
Speaker 3: can see. Yeah, yeah, so that hurts. I've got a
Speaker 3: little mild concussion this morning.
Speaker 2: Dude. I was getting out of the man where were we?
Speaker 2: It was, I was the I was the guy that
Speaker 2: on the end of the bench that had to get
Speaker 2: out first, you know, and uh, it didn't have the
Speaker 2: step down. It just had to go. And then I
Speaker 2: was trying to get out and hurry because it was
Speaker 2: I just called the top. Yeah, I got this furrow
Speaker 2: brow thing so like it it's I mean it's almost
Speaker 2: like a like a hook like it just so I
Speaker 2: hit it, man, and it pushed my head back into
Speaker 2: my neck and it was like and then someone was like,
Speaker 2: what about the herd? I was like, no, I'm good
Speaker 2: and really I heard like the rest of the night,
Speaker 2: just all the way back. Dude, those vans are not
Speaker 2: made for for humans. For humans.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I did like that they extended the heighth.
Speaker 3: I mean when we all were like young and touring
Speaker 3: and riding around, there was the old school church van.
Speaker 2: See that's what this is.
Speaker 1: This was this was fifteen past. Yeah, those things are tiny.
Speaker 1: Damn likes to say that his furrow brow is not
Speaker 1: a genetic thing, it's from his football helmet in high school.
Speaker 3: What is he says he's got?
Speaker 2: I never said that. What I never say that. This
Speaker 2: is a cave man that always said that your furrow
Speaker 2: brown customer. I mean, there might be a chance to
Speaker 2: have something to do with it, but it's just kind
Speaker 2: of sad, you know. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I have like this permanent intention in
Speaker 3: between my eyebrows from sort of having a perpetual frown.
Speaker 3: And uh, my mom's every time I have like promo
Speaker 3: shoots or whatever, She's like, why don't you ever smile?
Speaker 3: I'm like, well, this is just my face, Like this
Speaker 3: is what I look like. I see it ninety percent
Speaker 3: of the time. Like I do smile when something's funny.
Speaker 3: But if it's not funny, it's got to be really funny.
Speaker 3: You remember that scene in Marley and Me, the dog
Speaker 3: movie that makes it. Saw that a long time ago. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: So there's a scene. He's a writer and he gets
Speaker 3: bumped from being a reporter to being a columnist and
Speaker 3: he turns in his first column and it's Alan Aldo
Speaker 3: is the editor, and he's like, it's supposed to be
Speaker 3: a funny column. And he's sitting there watching him read it,
Speaker 3: and he's got the editors furrowed brow, and Owen Wilson
Speaker 3: starts apologizing, Yeah, never mind, it's not that funny. Just
Speaker 3: get back to me. And he looks up to town
Speaker 3: Wilson and he says, no, this is really funny. This
Speaker 3: is some funny. But he never breaks.
Speaker 2: And my wife we're on an airplane.
Speaker 3: And she's punching.
Speaker 4: She goes, that's you.
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, I mean that's funny, that's I'm laughing off.
Speaker 3: But I have like a perpetual like frown dimple in
Speaker 3: my eyebrows because I just kind of always, you know.
Speaker 2: Had that just a perplexed look. I don't think it's frowny.
Speaker 3: I mean it's like most of someone tell them, why
Speaker 3: are you frowning of me? I'm perplexed all the time.
Speaker 3: When you were showing us your noggin, you also showed
Speaker 3: us the scar. Yeah, got a huge scar. Tell us,
Speaker 3: tell us about it goes.
Speaker 2: Ear to ear.
Speaker 3: So when I was eight years old, I'm one of
Speaker 3: twenty eight cousins.
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, no, that got me.
Speaker 3: That's pretty yeah, yeah, I mean basically similar, yeah, twenty eight.
Speaker 3: So there were there were four boys, all born four
Speaker 3: wheel cousins, all born the same year.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: So I was or two, and so we hung out
Speaker 3: all summer long, all the time, and one day we
Speaker 3: got his middle of June.
Speaker 2: Eight years old.
Speaker 3: We get into my cousin's house and we find his
Speaker 3: dad's golf clubs and a big box of those plastic
Speaker 3: golf balls. Let's go to the front yard and get
Speaker 3: after it.
Speaker 2: How old are you eight? Okay?
Speaker 3: And I didn't see my cousin taking a swing, and
Speaker 3: I had hit my bottles running to go get it,
Speaker 3: and I read right behind him, and that followed through
Speaker 3: seven iron hit me right in the eyebrow and shattered
Speaker 3: my my whatever, this part of my skull bone isbrow bone, Yeah,
Speaker 3: eyebrow bone, and a piece of it was floating around
Speaker 3: inside my.
Speaker 2: See, mine would never shattered because it's.
Speaker 3: Like you hadn't warn a helmet.
Speaker 2: At that time, so it would. It's pretty pretty cave
Speaker 2: man dude.
Speaker 3: So anyways, I had to get a They didn't want
Speaker 3: to like scarf my whole face to fix it, so
Speaker 3: they cut they it's called a cranny out of me.
Speaker 3: I think they cut you from ear to ear in
Speaker 3: like an M shape, and they peel it down, screw
Speaker 3: the bone back in there with the little tiny titanium
Speaker 3: screws and put it back. And then the worst part
Speaker 3: about it was I couldn't play the entire summer.
Speaker 2: And it was like June.
Speaker 3: Fifth, eight years old. All you wanted. All I wanted
Speaker 3: to do is be outside. Instead of having place, you're watching.
Speaker 1: Your twenty seven other cousins out there playing games and
Speaker 1: having fun.
Speaker 3: And and when I when I started going bald, I
Speaker 3: got really nervous about it. I was like, man, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna look like Frank.
Speaker 2: It's good look for but.
Speaker 3: It's it's it's all right, You're good looking, bald dude. Well,
Speaker 3: I appreciate that. Some we came here to get that value.
Speaker 2: And I said, for sure. You know you can go
Speaker 2: either way. You can have the hot dog head or
Speaker 2: like the weekly. It good.
Speaker 3: It doesn't work for some guys.
Speaker 2: That worked for you. Yeah, I got maybe next time
Speaker 2: you hit the face of golf club you can ask
Speaker 2: them to fix your perplexed that you might as well
Speaker 2: two for one.
Speaker 3: Instead of mad. You see the other one right above that, Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's from fireworks. Oh yeah, yeah, what age was that?
Speaker 2: That was eleven?
Speaker 3: That's big. That's huge bottle of rockets. Yep, like the
Speaker 3: battle archets on steroids. Yeah, yep, so my cousin, Yeah,
Speaker 3: the big red stick. So I like one and I
Speaker 3: throw it and I'm waiting and waiting. I'm behind my
Speaker 3: Mom's like big van and doesn't go off and in
Speaker 3: like thirty seconds. So I just like, I'm gonna look
Speaker 3: and see. I picked my head around the corner and
Speaker 3: there it is, coming right on.
Speaker 4: It bounces off my head, it explodes up high.
Speaker 3: Bro.
Speaker 1: That part of your your taking.
Speaker 2: Some shots, like recently four.
Speaker 3: Decisions to become a musician. So anyways, Uh, my grandfather
Speaker 3: grew up seven doors down from my grandfather, and he
Speaker 3: was a surgeon, and so whoever was watching us, mom
Speaker 3: or babysitter was like, hey, you know Grand Chovy, come
Speaker 3: down here. His name is Choby. It's a whole other story.
Speaker 3: Grand Chevy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's awesome name.
Speaker 3: So we go to his office and he gives me
Speaker 3: like two or three stitches, and then like a week later,
Speaker 3: I go to he was retired. Basically he went in
Speaker 3: like one day week at that point. So I go
Speaker 3: see his partner, my uncle, and he's like, man, these
Speaker 3: war Dockspha was at.
Speaker 2: War two dog.
Speaker 3: He's like, he should have given you eight stitches. He
Speaker 3: gave you two. Yeah, So I had this huge scar
Speaker 3: for all my childhood.
Speaker 2: Where'd you grow.
Speaker 3: Up in Memphis? Oh?
Speaker 2: Wow, we're from Savannah.
Speaker 3: Oh really yeah so part of Memphis. I grew up
Speaker 3: just right outside of well kind of. I grew up
Speaker 3: near Overton Park when I was little, and then we
Speaker 3: moved to German Town. Then we moved back into Memphis,
Speaker 3: kind of right near Poplar two Fortyk where the random
Speaker 3: tall round hotel is. Okay, you know no but no,
Speaker 3: but anyways, it's like writing the kind of right in
Speaker 3: the heart.
Speaker 2: We used to Uh, our dad's a pastor. If you
Speaker 2: do that but of course you didn't know that. So
Speaker 2: he we would do like Bible drills. Yeah, and the
Speaker 2: state drill was always at Bellevue. Oh yeah, and we
Speaker 2: used to think Bellvy.
Speaker 3: We called it Fort God, perfectname in Memphis had two nicknames,
Speaker 3: Fort God and six Flags of Her Jesus.
Speaker 2: And I remember going. I would occasionally to be honest man,
Speaker 2: like I lied a bunch and Bible drill, like I
Speaker 2: could find the I cheated all the time. I call
Speaker 2: you to read the thing, the verse, and you would
Speaker 2: just be acts one eight go you therefore get no
Speaker 2: step back, a step back, you know, because that was
Speaker 2: the only one you really.
Speaker 1: There's like there's added pressure because you're the church kids,
Speaker 1: like the preacher kids, like you're supposed to.
Speaker 3: If you don't know that stuff, bro, you feel like
Speaker 3: you're going to hell.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: You feel like, well, I'm about to lose my salvation
Speaker 1: if I don't if I don't get this verse right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're all talked into Memphis. We we used to
Speaker 2: play oh gosh, man, the worst beat down in the
Speaker 2: sporting event I've ever been a part of took place
Speaker 2: at Memphis AAU basketball Oh yeah, oh, playing my gosh,
Speaker 2: Orange man yeah, oh yeah, Ridge way we played. We
Speaker 2: would have ocasionally beat Manassas at like football.
Speaker 3: Yeah there's a tiny school. Oh were they Yeah, they
Speaker 3: only had about eighty kids.
Speaker 2: It's probably what did you say? Arch Man?
Speaker 1: Arge Man was the team that in high school. They
Speaker 1: gave the kids who ran like a sub four or
Speaker 1: five gold cleats and the whole offense had.
Speaker 2: Do you go to that game? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Weak, god, I'm rush well that they had like that.
Speaker 3: I mean Cedric Wilson was superstar ap Tennessee, was a
Speaker 3: quarterback for Melrose and they won a bunch of state
Speaker 3: championships over over in my in my.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. The crazy thing is, so I remember we
Speaker 2: were always intimidated going to Memphis. Right, we would like
Speaker 2: beat all the people in our area. Yeah, we're awesome,
Speaker 2: and then we go to Memphis and just get crushed. Right.
Speaker 2: So we go play Melrose and I remember being in
Speaker 2: a defensive end and like trying to swim move this
Speaker 2: guy and he's just like I mean he was like
Speaker 2: six eight three seventy five, just like hold me with
Speaker 2: one yeah, And I was like kind of good, like
Speaker 2: in my area, you know what I mean, like competitive,
Speaker 2: and I was just moving like what are we supposed
Speaker 2: to do? And their quarterback was just dropped back and
Speaker 2: just launch, just launch, just throw as far as as
Speaker 2: far as he could and then come right under it.
Speaker 2: So but the one thing I remember them while we
Speaker 2: were out there. First off, I didn't know at the time,
Speaker 2: but it smelled like weed on the field. I could
Speaker 2: smell people smoking weed.
Speaker 1: They were chiefing it out of the bleachers, and I
Speaker 1: remember the band going.
Speaker 2: And I was like, we're getting killed in the line.
Speaker 3: It wasn't a ball game.
Speaker 1: You're sitting their first round of the playoffs. And they
Speaker 1: were to dance on the field.
Speaker 3: That's why the I remember team called or remember them. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so Mumford had this chant. I went to this little
Speaker 3: Christian school called E. C. S. And they would go
Speaker 3: meat potatoes E c S and corn bread, meat potatoes,
Speaker 3: like they're gonna eat They're gonna eat you.
Speaker 2: Oh, you're a part of the dinner.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, we were, We were dinner.
Speaker 2: You were.
Speaker 4: Yeah. That was their pregame warm up and we were
Speaker 4: all like.
Speaker 3: They're gonna mix you up with the corn bread.
Speaker 4: And well we're about to get wax.
Speaker 3: And I was probably the worst basketball player in Shelby
Speaker 3: County history. Really yeah. Oh man, it was so bad,
Speaker 3: but you love it, right, you love that? I love
Speaker 3: watching basketball? Yeah yeah, I love the Grizz, love watching Jaw.
Speaker 3: I mean yeah, you still love watching john until he
Speaker 3: got hurt.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Uh dude, wile World Basketball. Tell us a little about
Speaker 3: the Ernie Ernie Johnson thing. Man, man, it's a cool story.
Speaker 3: So maybe I don't know how many. Couple of three
Speaker 3: years ago, I get a direct message on Twitter, which
Speaker 3: never happens, right, like, you don't check that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: But it's it's coming from a verified account, so it's like, oh,
Speaker 3: it's Ernie Johnson.
Speaker 2: Ernie Johnny said, hey.
Speaker 3: Uh, you don't know me, but it was actually Ernie
Speaker 3: was actually Ernie. He said, you don't know me, but
Speaker 3: I have a story I'd like to tell you. Can
Speaker 3: you can I call you? Of course a sports fan, absolutely, yeah,
Speaker 3: So he calls me and this is all like public info.
Speaker 3: But he he had lost a son about six months earlier.
Speaker 3: Now this was a their son had severe cerebral palsy.
Speaker 3: They adopted him when he was two from Romania. He
Speaker 3: lived to be in his late twenties. And Ernie has
Speaker 3: a bunch of other kids and grandkids, and so he says, hey,
Speaker 3: I don't know if you know my name is Jernie
Speaker 3: johnsone from town. Like yeah, already, no, yeah, I said,
Speaker 3: by shack, Yeah, see on the TV a lot, you know,
Speaker 3: And he says, long story short, we have Sunday family
Speaker 3: dinners and then we always have a we had a
Speaker 3: always had a Dishes clean up playlist, and your song
Speaker 3: family has been our sort of favorite song. And so
Speaker 3: when our son passed away, we decided we wanted to
Speaker 3: end the service with a family dance party on stage,
Speaker 3: dancing to family, and so I was just like crying
Speaker 3: on the phone.
Speaker 2: Well, and it was.
Speaker 3: Cool for me because I actually grew up with a
Speaker 3: special needs other who passed away when I was in
Speaker 3: high school, who had spina bifida, and so I was
Speaker 3: able to kind of like say, well, not only do
Speaker 3: I appreciate that, but I'm also like, I'm in this club.
Speaker 3: And we hit it off and he's going to see
Speaker 3: us play a few times. And then most recently I
Speaker 3: decided to go for it. My son, who's height, loves basketball,
Speaker 3: and I said, Ernie, can can I bring Huck and
Speaker 3: watch it taping? And He's like absolutely, come on. So
Speaker 3: we go down there and I'm thinking, we're just gonna
Speaker 3: get to like sort of meet the gas real quick.
Speaker 3: And where's down there? We're Atlanta. They filmed the show
Speaker 3: in Atlanta, Live with you know, with Shaq and Kenny
Speaker 3: and and Charles Bark and they were all really sweet.
Speaker 3: But the best part we walk in is like this
Speaker 3: kind of green room area and Shaq walks in. He
Speaker 3: and some of Ernie's grandkids are there too, and he's
Speaker 3: like saying hello all to me. He sees my son
Speaker 3: like he Shack does yeah, Shak points at him like this,
Speaker 3: and then he he fingers.
Speaker 2: Like come over here.
Speaker 3: And he's a giant person. He's huge on TV. It
Speaker 3: doesn't do it just no, I'm looking straight up at him,
Speaker 3: you know, straight up straight up basical.
Speaker 1: I mean legit look like he wears a size like
Speaker 1: twenty three, and if you've ever seen a size twenty three,
Speaker 1: it's literally like that big.
Speaker 2: He's so big. And what we all got this is
Speaker 2: a this is eleven.
Speaker 3: I'm a solid ten. I'm a fourteen.
Speaker 2: Yeah you are, yeah, so what if this is eleven?
Speaker 2: It's two of those.
Speaker 1: Basically basically, and you still don't know like, until you
Speaker 1: have that shoe in here, you don't understand how big
Speaker 1: that is.
Speaker 2: No, I would like to see that.
Speaker 1: It's while they say shot shooting free throws shooting a softball,
Speaker 1: Like that's how big a that it?
Speaker 3: So he picks him up, picks up my son. He
Speaker 3: hadn't even say, he's not set a word.
Speaker 2: How old is your son at this time? Eight? Okay
Speaker 2: two or something?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you can still do. It's still good. So
Speaker 3: he just picks him up, eye level and sets him
Speaker 3: on the couch and he goes, what's your name? My
Speaker 3: son said Huck, and he goes Puck and I said
Speaker 3: no Huck like Huckleberry, goes Huckleberry and he gives him
Speaker 3: as And then later on we go into the room
Speaker 3: where they're where they film, and Huck is sitting in
Speaker 3: his chair before the show starts and shot comes out.
Speaker 3: He goes, Houck, get out of my chair, and I'm
Speaker 3: just kidding. He goes, hey, you want to learn a handshake?
Speaker 3: Come on? He teaches him a handshake. Yeah, memory, it
Speaker 3: was like it was amazing. My my son is not
Speaker 3: very he doesn't like get super excited. He's just a
Speaker 3: very like mellow kid. And get in the car and
Speaker 3: he's like, that was awesome. Can you imagine he knew
Speaker 3: he could make it somebody's day and he did it. Yeah, man,
Speaker 3: that was cool.
Speaker 2: That's real cool, man, it was really cool.
Speaker 1: There's a if you haven't watched, just go go on
Speaker 1: google and uh and google Ernie Johnson inspirational speech to
Speaker 1: the Alabama football team. Dude, that's and it explains Michael's life,
Speaker 1: his his adopted son from Romania, and dude, he talks
Speaker 1: about like the value of life and and how Michael
Speaker 1: like his big thing was I love you too, And
Speaker 1: he couldn't really speak very well, but like he hold
Speaker 1: us up and like do like this, and that was
Speaker 1: his whole. I think he's made a foundation now called
Speaker 1: Love You Two Foundation. And Ernie's a legend.
Speaker 2: He's done such a good job.
Speaker 3: And he's like very contentious times where people love to
Speaker 3: score cheap points on each other without having like real conversations.
Speaker 3: Every time there's something hard, I like look to Ernie,
Speaker 3: like what does Ernie say about this?
Speaker 2: Wow?
Speaker 3: Because he does a good job of being human and
Speaker 3: complex and honest without taking cheap shots, you know, And
Speaker 3: I think that's really hard to do.
Speaker 2: Nowadays, and I love him for that too.
Speaker 3: So Memphis, So you grew up, did you do any
Speaker 3: duck hunting? Oh, man, duck hunting was life.
Speaker 2: Really.
Speaker 3: My grandfather was a every day of the season hunter
Speaker 3: and I lived five hours down from him, and duck
Speaker 3: hunting was just deeply ingrained in the blood. He was
Speaker 3: the sort of president of this duck up down in
Speaker 3: Tunica called beaver Dam, which was pretty pretty. It was
Speaker 3: like a historic place. His dad was best friends with
Speaker 3: a very famous hunting author named Nash Buckingham. Nash had
Speaker 3: a monthly column. Yeah, Nash had a monthly column and
Speaker 3: sporting life through the twenties, thirties, forties, fifties, and then
Speaker 3: when my great grandfather passed away, which is years before
Speaker 3: I was born, my grandfather became Nash's sort of hunting caretaker.
Speaker 3: So you still tak him hunting in his seventies and eighties,
Speaker 3: and so he was still a very relevant author at
Speaker 3: the time. And so my grandfather had like just a
Speaker 3: lot of sort of cachet and access around town, and
Speaker 3: he inherited the presidency of this old historic duck club
Speaker 3: called Beaverdam.
Speaker 2: Thanks.
Speaker 3: So I grew up going to this place I didn't
Speaker 3: know any different. It was just where we went. I
Speaker 3: didn't know that it was like had all this history
Speaker 3: and all this stuff, and it was a good Memphis.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, it's about ten miles south of the ten
Speaker 3: miles south of casinos, five miles south of downtown.
Speaker 2: So you're getting into Delta there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean that that's Flyway right, six
Speaker 3: miles from the Missippi River, gotcha. Yeah, you're in the
Speaker 3: heart of the Flyway. Did y'all smash them?
Speaker 2: We did?
Speaker 3: I mean it was it was timber hunting where we
Speaker 3: had these makeshift lines, you know. One of my favorite
Speaker 3: memories our grandfathers. Every year we go find the new spot,
Speaker 3: clear out some rush and build a little heat. And
Speaker 3: he he was. He was like notoriously cheap, even though
Speaker 3: he's a surgeon. We duck hunted out of his like
Speaker 3: twenty year old Lincoln town car. Yeah, smelled smelled like dogs.
Speaker 3: He always had dogs. I always died young here, like
Speaker 3: I don't know, other doubt young. Well you feed them scraps, right,
Speaker 3: he got bones lodged in there. Yeah yeah, yeah, but no,
Speaker 3: I know that you really miss missy. But I.
Speaker 2: Want to know. I want to know some details on
Speaker 2: this this linking town car. So that's a big body,
Speaker 2: a heuge a boat. Yeah, it's the big body across the.
Speaker 3: Front, three across the back, so we could go six deep.
Speaker 2: So he no trucks, He's like, forget it. We got to.
Speaker 3: He did have a gmc Jimmy, but he didn't like it,
Speaker 3: so he got rid of it.
Speaker 2: But he would put the dogs and y'all and guns and.
Speaker 3: Then and pull the tr John boat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would for a picture, pictures.
Speaker 3: I gotta find the I'm sure there are.
Speaker 2: Two, and then so much did y'all put them on
Speaker 2: the hood?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, baby blue, that's awesome man. So we had this,
Speaker 3: uh love Granddad's.
Speaker 2: They're the best.
Speaker 3: And he had this set of keys that had like
Speaker 3: six hundred keys. Yeah, super heavy. No way they're going
Speaker 3: on because there's every boat had a different lock and
Speaker 3: every engine. Yeah, gate and this and that, and so
Speaker 3: he would roll up at so the he said I'm
Speaker 3: going to pick you up at four forty five, which
Speaker 3: meant you better be outside of four forty because he's
Speaker 3: shown it before forty and just one two and he
Speaker 3: expects you to be in the car within like forty.
Speaker 3: So he's out or he's just like he's not out,
Speaker 3: but he's mad.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, not worth it, yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: And speaking of Bible drills. The whole way there he
Speaker 3: would tell story about hunting, and the whole way home
Speaker 3: he would tell like talk about the Bible because he
Speaker 3: was like a he was like Bible teacher guy. And
Speaker 3: but that was where you were allowed to do a
Speaker 3: little sleeping on the way on the way home. Catch you, yeah,
Speaker 3: But so you drive down, you drive high sixty one
Speaker 3: right through the heart of South Memphis and then he
Speaker 3: opens up into into North Misissippian and Tunica and you
Speaker 3: stop at this little I can't remember the name of
Speaker 3: the gas station, but they had little sausage biscuits. And
Speaker 3: then you get out and it was all paddling this
Speaker 3: little little little duck boat that he had or john Bow,
Speaker 3: depending on how many of us there were, and you
Speaker 3: paddle out and get in the blind.
Speaker 2: It was mainly.
Speaker 3: Mallard's and gadwall a lot of gadwall growing up.
Speaker 2: Is that a good eat duck? I can't remember. It's
Speaker 2: a green duck.
Speaker 3: They're smaller than a than a mallard. But yeah, my
Speaker 3: grandmother she cooked a ton of duck and a ton
Speaker 3: of brim. He loved that you could also fish the fish,
Speaker 3: the grand and crappie. I love catching fish, but I
Speaker 3: don't really like fishing. I don't like all the work
Speaker 3: and with it, I feel, but with him, it was
Speaker 3: pretty easy, just put him in and pull them out.
Speaker 1: Granddad's like my dad's the same way, like with bar
Speaker 1: nephews and our kids. Now, he's not gonna take my
Speaker 1: nephews like my older enoughhe's he'll take bass fishing.
Speaker 3: But if it's like, go catch fish.
Speaker 1: He's gonna go throw an anchor on a brim hole
Speaker 1: and sit there with crickets and you're gonna catch five
Speaker 1: hundred of them things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's fish.
Speaker 2: Yeah, grandad fishing, Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: But like figuring out how to catch bass was never
Speaker 3: my I just don't have the patience for it. I
Speaker 3: kind of feel the same about deer hunting. So yeah,
Speaker 3: so duck hunting was I mean, I duck hunted thirty
Speaker 3: forty days a year from the time I was probably
Speaker 3: eleven or twelve until I moved to Nashville, and then
Speaker 3: Nashville is just not a great duck hunting. I mean,
Speaker 3: as part of the thing is in Memphis, your duck hunting.
Speaker 2: Is so dependent on the weather.
Speaker 3: It's you know, you're checking the weather the night before
Speaker 3: and you go, okay, we got a north wind, blue sky, let's.
Speaker 2: Do it, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And you get in the car at four forty
Speaker 3: five and you in the blind at five forty five, six,
Speaker 3: and you start shooting around six thirty. You're out of
Speaker 3: there by nine thirty, and you're at work by ten thirty.
Speaker 3: Year at school, I mean there were multiple times I
Speaker 3: would just do it and go to school an hour
Speaker 3: and a half late, and they would say, what's your
Speaker 3: excuse them?
Speaker 2: Like, my grandfather took me duck.
Speaker 1: Hunt Yeah, that's always with them, Like my dad we
Speaker 1: go deer hunting or fishing or something to show up
Speaker 1: late and they'd be like, what's wrong. We're like, well,
Speaker 1: we've been fishing. Yeah, you've been fishing this morning. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I promise we've been fishing for two hours.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And it was it was sort of understood thing that
Speaker 3: if you're with your dad or your granddad duck hunting,
Speaker 3: it's okay that you missed your first class.
Speaker 2: You know, do you pull your kids out to do
Speaker 2: fun stuff.
Speaker 3: I have to because of the travel. Really, yeah, might
Speaker 3: take them out. I take my kids out of school,
Speaker 3: like if I've got a festival somewhere it's really cool
Speaker 3: on a Friday, you know, I'll pull them out the
Speaker 3: fight with me Friday morning.
Speaker 2: Do their teachers get weird? We haven't really gotten to
Speaker 2: that yet. Our kids are still young.
Speaker 3: And I think it depends on the school, you know.
Speaker 2: Because we're late every day. And the thing that about
Speaker 2: today is like I showed up today, it was like
Speaker 2: seven fifty six plenty of it was not eight o'clock
Speaker 2: and they already had the orange combes out, and I'm like, man,
Speaker 2: I gotta come. I gotta going.
Speaker 3: That's not late, it's not late early.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know what I've got, I'm so annoyed
Speaker 2: with it. When I'm going there, I'm like, I have
Speaker 2: to have to feel the thing? Do you have to
Speaker 2: feel the thing out They make us feel the thing
Speaker 2: out here late? Yeah, yeah for sure. And I'm like,
Speaker 2: first off, so today the thing we feel the thing,
Speaker 2: it's a computer and it's already up like the name
Speaker 2: of child person that brought them in reason for me ashamed? Yeah,
Speaker 2: so a parent. You know what I did today on
Speaker 2: the reason. You know what, I put not late.
Speaker 3: Unt not late?
Speaker 2: Yeah, not late? What am I supposed to do?
Speaker 3: We're not late.
Speaker 2: That's not late, bro, you just put the cones out early.
Speaker 2: I should have put you put Yeah. I just wondered
Speaker 2: how that works. Our dad pulled us out of school
Speaker 2: for everything. Yeah. Everything. He was kind of living for
Speaker 2: a reason, you know.
Speaker 3: I mean, I definitely have a mentality that.
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 3: I loved school, honestly, I was. You loved school, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I know it's weird. I didn't love high school. I
Speaker 3: loved college. I loved learning. I love to read, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I was. I was a bookish same. I didn't necessarily
Speaker 3: love everything about school, but I enjoyed learning and about
Speaker 3: math I was. I was good at math, but.
Speaker 2: I hated it. I hate math. Yeah, I just reads
Speaker 2: good at math.
Speaker 3: I always got I always had this teacher and I
Speaker 3: got in this fight all the time because she's like,
Speaker 3: you gotta show your work. There's no way you got that.
Speaker 3: And I was like, well, just give me another one
Speaker 3: like it and then I'll show you. I'll show you,
Speaker 3: and I'll not show you my work. And what teachers.
Speaker 2: What math teachers being been math holes, dude, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I like the new math. The kids math now, they
Speaker 3: like they don't just learn stuff. It's all in a story,
Speaker 3: you know. They're like the way they teach math now
Speaker 3: is different. Huh yeah, it's not like it's not like,
Speaker 3: you know, nine times seven is is whatever? It's uh
Speaker 3: yeah yeah almost forty three?
Speaker 2: Is that right? I don't know if it's right.
Speaker 3: Instead, now they'll be like, there, you know, there are
Speaker 3: nine people at the whatever. Each of them eats six
Speaker 3: hot dogs? How many hot dogs got eaten? So it's
Speaker 3: like enough, a lot of hot dogs? Yeah, this is
Speaker 3: how big Joey was there? Yeah, four hundred. But it's
Speaker 3: more they do it. It's like narrative. They make math
Speaker 3: makes sense to your brain, Like why do you need
Speaker 3: to know what nine times six is?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 3: What if you need to do this?
Speaker 2: I could have learned that, right, I could have learned
Speaker 2: that story for him, Like you can see it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think it's cool. That's great, Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's great.
Speaker 2: All right, let's have a math let's have a math
Speaker 2: quiz right now. I don't see who's the best between you?
Speaker 2: All that mounts ready say the answer is fast? You
Speaker 2: can't Okay, wait, I don't know if it's going to
Speaker 2: be right. I'm not the one that needs to give
Speaker 2: this quiz. All right, let me think about it. It's
Speaker 2: not gonna be like blank Tom's tens. All right, I
Speaker 2: got one. This is one I remember for some reason.
Speaker 2: Eight times eight four he won three best three nine
Speaker 2: times nine? Ay? One? Oh that's a tie. Tie.
Speaker 1: You only know try two different numbers.
Speaker 2: Okay, shut up, I hate both of you.
Speaker 3: Twelve oh shoot one eleven?
Speaker 1: Yeah, dang, I was going ten times twelve minus nine. No, wait,
Speaker 1: ten times twelve is one nine times twelve? I won thirteen.
Speaker 2: Age.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want twenty minus twelve. I was minus twelve.
Speaker 3: I was going. I didn't want twenty minus nine. See
Speaker 3: we're not that good either, guess not.
Speaker 1: Okay, wait, let's go back to your duckhuting. Let's go
Speaker 1: back to your granddad for a second. Is this the
Speaker 1: same granddad that made his garage?
Speaker 3: M hm, he's at taxed germis get into that. Okay,
Speaker 3: so my grandfather. I grew up in this world where
Speaker 3: I thought that people's houses were decorated with dead animals,
Speaker 3: like lots of them, because my parents had a bunch,
Speaker 3: because my grandfather's attackist. My cousin's houses all had a
Speaker 3: bunch because my grandfather was a tax nurmoust. So again,
Speaker 3: he was a surgeon and he didn't have enough time
Speaker 3: doing surgery on people. He decided he wanted to do
Speaker 3: surgery on all this stuff. He killed.
Speaker 2: Love it.
Speaker 3: So the coolest part was when my when he was
Speaker 3: in nineteen sixty nine, when my mom was in the
Speaker 3: eighth grade, he decided to take all of his kids
Speaker 3: and go live in Kenya for a year. And he
Speaker 3: was a surgeon.
Speaker 2: I love this guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was amazing. So he's a surgeon. So he's like,
Speaker 3: I got this mission. Hospital was like we would love
Speaker 3: for you. He'd been supporting it as like a donor
Speaker 3: and decided I want to take a year off and
Speaker 3: go that's cool. And he got all of his surgeon
Speaker 3: friends to cover his like his patients for that year,
Speaker 3: and so my mom spent her entire eighth grade year
Speaker 3: in Kenya. And so what he would do is he
Speaker 3: would do the surgeries like four days a week, and
Speaker 3: then he would hunt a bunch and Kenya. So this
Speaker 3: was back before when Kenya still allowed the back door way.
Speaker 2: Maybe I go get my surgeon license.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think you're going past.
Speaker 2: I don't think you got can do it.
Speaker 3: I mean we don't even know it. Nine.
Speaker 2: Yes, I knew it was one of I was like,
Speaker 2: so he.
Speaker 3: Had two rooms in his house. There was like he
Speaker 3: basically bought this house that had a three car garage
Speaker 3: because he wanted to make a space for all his stuff,
Speaker 3: and so he converted a three car garage and really
Speaker 3: he did the taxidermy on birds and fish. Hid an
Speaker 3: entire North American game bird collection in that three car garage,
Speaker 3: talking about like that sixteen hundred species, sixteen one hundred species.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's sixteen hundred game birds in America.
Speaker 3: Well he had also he didn't just have game birds,
Speaker 3: but it did have all the game birds.
Speaker 2: No, he did.
Speaker 3: He had had an entire North American game bird collection.
Speaker 3: Then he also had lots of other.
Speaker 2: Species like blue jays.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, whatever he could find shoot those. Yeah, he
Speaker 3: found a robin, he'd be like, oh about that. But
Speaker 3: then he had walking in he had this side room
Speaker 3: where he actually did the work that he added on
Speaker 3: that was probably like eight by fifteen, and in there
Speaker 3: he had all the heads of the big game from Africa.
Speaker 3: So the will Debeest, he had Kudu, the Eons, the Elon,
Speaker 3: and then he had a.
Speaker 2: Big k buffalo that he had shot. That's so cool.
Speaker 3: And so he hunted all that. He wrote a book
Speaker 3: about all his travels around the world hunting. He did
Speaker 3: all sorts of crazy stuff. But he just you know,
Speaker 3: if I wanted to hang out with him pretty much,
Speaker 3: I knew he was in there from five o'clock to dinner.
Speaker 3: And you were just down the road now, I mean
Speaker 3: I was five doors six doors down. So I just
Speaker 3: hopped my bike or walk down there and sit back
Speaker 3: there and watch him, you know, mounted duck. And so
Speaker 3: I had, you know, my first duck. He mounted, the
Speaker 3: first bandited bird I killed.
Speaker 2: He could wait. Yeah, he loved it.
Speaker 3: And so it was just a very unique childhood because
Speaker 3: he he's kind of like that. You always had the
Speaker 3: movie Big Fish. Yeah, yeah, he was kind of like that.
Speaker 3: Like he just had all these stories that you are like, Okay,
Speaker 3: I mean the mythology is pretty strong.
Speaker 2: Here in the self mythology.
Speaker 3: But then this one story he had one of his
Speaker 3: best friends raised these really high end labs out of
Speaker 3: Memphis and trained him and was in all these shows
Speaker 3: and got invited to take his labs to the Queen's
Speaker 3: estate in England's place called Sandrham, and so they do
Speaker 3: a big, you know, ten stop dog trial thing. And
Speaker 3: the story he told what he got back is that
Speaker 3: he had he got a ride from the queen and
Speaker 3: a land rover. And we were like, what you didn't know,
Speaker 3: that's not true, you know. And then he died about
Speaker 3: seven years later, and sure enough we got a letter
Speaker 3: from the Queen's the guy that runs the estate. The
Speaker 3: Queen sends her regards to your family and she remembers
Speaker 3: finally the time that she drove your grandfather around and around.
Speaker 3: That's a great story, man.
Speaker 2: I bet he was heave, now, you know. I told y'all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was very larger than life. And yeah, we
Speaker 3: just I did a lot of stuff with him. Played
Speaker 3: golf with him and fishing with him, hunted with him.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: One of the favorite stories is I was my first girlfriend.
Speaker 3: I was in the seventh grade, I think, and it
Speaker 3: was around Christmas time and my parents were out of town.
Speaker 3: So he's going to drive me to her house and
Speaker 3: pick me up. So he drops me off like six
Speaker 3: o'clock and I've got two Christmas presents and for her,
Speaker 3: and he's I'll pick up at nines.
Speaker 2: Are great. So I go in there and.
Speaker 3: Do you remember what the presents were?
Speaker 2: No, no, no memory. But it's probably a brighton bracelet
Speaker 2: and a picture frame.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly, Yeah for sure, absolutely little silver frame.
Speaker 3: I got you this picture of us. Yeah, you took
Speaker 3: on your camera and you sent me.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So he comes back at nine and I come out
Speaker 3: of get in the car and he's backing out of
Speaker 3: her driveway and he goes, you give her those presents.
Speaker 2: He said, yes, sir.
Speaker 3: He goes, you get you some kisses.
Speaker 4: And I said no, sir. He slammed on the brakes.
Speaker 3: He goes, get back in there and get your present,
Speaker 3: get some presents back.
Speaker 2: Back.
Speaker 3: Know he was kidding, he said, he put it back
Speaker 3: in gears started laughing at himself.
Speaker 2: You know, that's awesome, man, and granddads are the best. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's awesome.
Speaker 1: So that's kind of that's that's where your love with
Speaker 1: the outdoors and.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure definitely came from him. And then as
Speaker 3: I got into high school, I had a bunch of
Speaker 3: friends that were hunting and my brother who's five years
Speaker 3: younger got really into it and he made a different
Speaker 3: like college choice based on hunting. He went to Ole
Speaker 3: Miss instead of I went to ut because he wanted
Speaker 3: to keep hunting all the all year long.
Speaker 2: Hell State, Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 3: Well he all took us to the woods show the
Speaker 3: other day of the basketball term.
Speaker 2: Sorry about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so anyway, yeah, so a hundred you know, all
Speaker 3: the way through high school. And but I wasn't other
Speaker 3: stuff too. I was in Scouts and was really into
Speaker 3: like backpacking and rock climbing.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I don't even know your brother. But my
Speaker 2: favorite thing about him already I only know one fact
Speaker 2: about your well too, now that I know he does
Speaker 2: with the other factors that he introduced you as his dad.
Speaker 4: That's true.
Speaker 3: I mean we look about the same age, you know,
Speaker 3: like this my dad and we got. What he does
Speaker 3: is we'll go to we'll go get food somewhere, get dinner,
Speaker 3: breakfast whatever, like a duck hunt. We'll go out to
Speaker 3: eat lunch after and uh, waitress will bring me check.
Speaker 3: So who do I give this to it? He'll go,
Speaker 3: my dad will pick it up.
Speaker 2: Such a brother thing.
Speaker 3: That's a brother thing. Yeah, We've got a lot of fun.
Speaker 3: We've we've been been all over the country doing doing hunting,
Speaker 3: and I mean he goes to Canada like every year.
Speaker 3: He actually works for Field and Stream. Now he's like
Speaker 3: deep deep into it and he's he I call my
Speaker 3: guide because moving to Nashville and starting music, I honestly
Speaker 3: lost a lot of the time for hunting, sure, and
Speaker 3: and everything else and everything else. Yeah, and part of
Speaker 3: the sacrifice for sure, it is it is, And there
Speaker 3: was this there's honestly like a sadness to that. And
Speaker 3: growing up in Memphis, you guys are West Tennessee, like
Speaker 3: there is a chip on our shoulder about this town.
Speaker 3: Like oh about in Nashville, Like no doubt I was
Speaker 3: considered a bit of a trader for moving here.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Interesting, you know, but naturalized all these great things. But
Speaker 3: one think it does not have is good access to
Speaker 3: great duck hunting, agree, you know. And there's some the
Speaker 3: dirt bagging kind of stuff you can find around. Yeah
Speaker 3: you gotta go west, Yeah good, yeah, good Iysburg. Yeah
Speaker 3: you gotta go Dyersburg or Paris, and yeah, like get
Speaker 3: up northwest. And I mean, I know Jackson has some
Speaker 3: decent stuff, you know, but but nothing like what we
Speaker 3: had in Arkansas and in Mississippi. So so he's my guide,
Speaker 3: you know, I just I just show up a couple
Speaker 3: of times of years, say.
Speaker 2: Where are we going?
Speaker 3: Right for you know, He's like, get involved on more
Speaker 3: of the sort of product and marketing side. Yeah, so
Speaker 3: you still get to you still get to hunt a
Speaker 3: little bit.
Speaker 2: Ye, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3: And then I got into more of these like kick
Speaker 3: and shoot quale hunts because they're fun and easy to
Speaker 3: put on the schedule and yeah, you know, it's just
Speaker 3: a fun way to go. I love watching the doll
Speaker 3: I mean watching the pointers work. That's the greatest thing
Speaker 3: in the world. I have one, but I when I
Speaker 3: do that kind of hunting. But now I prefer my
Speaker 3: my duck at the Bedelli I've had for fifteen years.
Speaker 3: So the grand fire first gone was the eighth was
Speaker 3: an old a Brownie A five.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep. Did you get some of those guns some
Speaker 2: of those taxis? Did you? Is your wall like litter
Speaker 2: was like blue jays and stuff?
Speaker 3: No, I have, Well, my wife was not keen on that.
Speaker 3: So I have one room where they're all sort of quarantine.
Speaker 2: Same.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I've got a band of campus back and
Speaker 3: that you shot that that I shot.
Speaker 2: Campus backs are beauty. We're not a couple.
Speaker 3: We go a couple of years.
Speaker 1: I mean a couple of times a year, but we
Speaker 1: shot some campus backs this year on the Mississippi and Northwest.
Speaker 3: Yes, man, that's that's where the habitat for those Northwest
Speaker 3: Tennessee gorge at the river.
Speaker 2: They're beautiful. I bet we played some of the same
Speaker 2: places because I had a band out of start Hole
Speaker 2: and we played all over that like that side of man.
Speaker 2: I remember, I was telling the story the other day.
Speaker 2: We played is it Greenfield? Is there a Greenfield, Mississippi?
Speaker 2: Or green Greenwood? Green Wood? Yeah? I played in Greenville.
Speaker 2: There's two which one Delta Greenwood? Okay. We played green
Speaker 2: one one time and literally full four hour set dude
Speaker 2: covers and mixed it with the originals three people in
Speaker 2: that bar ooh the entire time. And then we used
Speaker 2: played Grenada State Studio fifty five. Did you ever played Grenada?
Speaker 2: That seemed to be kind of your in your area
Speaker 2: right there?
Speaker 3: But only I played Starveorlle and Oxford.
Speaker 2: We played the lyric, played blue Rooster, played our blue Canoe. Yeah.
Speaker 2: There was a place called the Levee played the Levee.
Speaker 3: Did you play ricks and all that in Starvillo?
Speaker 2: Yep, played Rigs State Theater. I be we played some
Speaker 2: in the same place.
Speaker 1: Is it true that before you and the band started,
Speaker 1: you moved into a neighborhood and started hanging out with
Speaker 1: other dads in the neighborhood and you made a band
Speaker 1: called Drew HIKELM in the neighbors.
Speaker 3: That's partially true. It was pre any kids. Okay, I
Speaker 3: just made that up.
Speaker 4: I was helping that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the story now, we moved East Nasville. I mean again,
Speaker 3: when Ellie and I got married, we were living she
Speaker 3: was in we were both in Knoxville, and we got
Speaker 3: married and moved to Nashville that same week.
Speaker 2: And the reason we moved to.
Speaker 3: Nashville is because she got a teaching job at Eastlip
Speaker 3: Magnet School in East Nashville, and we loved that neighborhood.
Speaker 3: It was it was kind of different then, you know.
Speaker 3: It was still kind of a little bit sketchy place
Speaker 3: to live, but we were was kind of committed to it.
Speaker 3: There was a church there that we were part of
Speaker 3: as well, and a lot of our friends lived over there.
Speaker 3: So that's when I started meeting these different folks that
Speaker 3: there was one guy who I had met in Memphis.
Speaker 3: It was my guitar player, Nate Duggar, and he was
Speaker 3: like a senior in Belmont by that point, and still
Speaker 3: he would play with me on the weekends. And he
Speaker 3: moved to East Nashville. And then we met this drummer.
Speaker 3: We had done it one of those third and Monsday
Speaker 3: Sunday night shows opening forgot him David Meade, and this
Speaker 3: guy came to me after He's like, y'all need a drummer,
Speaker 3: kind of be your drummer, and he give me a
Speaker 3: card and we need a drummer. Two weeks later, first
Speaker 3: show actually at the Grove in Oxford, we got asked
Speaker 3: to open for Tone. Look, we needed a band, So
Speaker 3: I got this car out called this drummer and turns
Speaker 3: out he moved East Nashville as well.
Speaker 2: So yeah, you know who we opened for in Oxford
Speaker 2: was the shop Boys, the Something Shop shop Pet shop Boys.
Speaker 2: It's the weirdest combinations of people with those Oxford things.
Speaker 3: I mean we opened at that Ever, like course of
Speaker 3: like six years, we got asked to do that show
Speaker 3: three times. It was there like rumbling the Groves. What
Speaker 3: it was called was their back to School Concert, and
Speaker 3: one year was Tone Look, the next year was Digital Underground,
Speaker 3: and then two years later it was a Gym Blossom,
Speaker 3: No not Goo Goo Dolls and there were probably ten
Speaker 3: thousand people. I bet that was the biggest show we'd
Speaker 3: ever played.
Speaker 2: That.
Speaker 3: I was like, all right, yeah, that's the same thing
Speaker 3: we did.
Speaker 2: We did. We opened for the Gym Bossoms, we opened
Speaker 2: for them, We opened for Edward McCain. He would play
Speaker 2: Bulldog Bash. We would always we would be like one
Speaker 2: of you know whatever on that show. But what was
Speaker 2: the Jordan? Can I get a reference on the trap
Speaker 2: on the Pet shop Boys? What their song? They kept
Speaker 2: playing it like multiple times.
Speaker 3: Well, they would like play the only song that they knew,
Speaker 3: so it was only they.
Speaker 2: Had and so they would be like play one song
Speaker 2: and everybody was like standing there and then then they'd
Speaker 2: play a clip of Oh that's it. You were always
Speaker 2: on my mind.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's great. Yeah, I'm sure it's really well.
Speaker 4: They did a great cover of that.
Speaker 2: Sure it's really dirty. I maybe messing this up. It
Speaker 2: was some shop boys, some shop boys. It was a
Speaker 2: rap group. Is the Patch shop Boys a rap group.
Speaker 3: No, they're like a duo an English boys.
Speaker 2: It's like trap Shop Boys or something. I don't know.
Speaker 2: It was awesome, but yeah, they had the most weird
Speaker 2: array of of artists at those Yeah those big Did
Speaker 2: you Bulldog Bash?
Speaker 3: We never did Bulldog Bash. We did something else there
Speaker 3: called the Island Jam or something like that. It was
Speaker 3: on the out in the oh Man.
Speaker 2: I never forget.
Speaker 3: We did a fraternity party one time at Misispi state.
Speaker 3: You all gonna be offended by this, but I think
Speaker 3: you'll appreciate it. So this Fraterney was like upset about
Speaker 3: our writer because they were like, why do you need owls?
Speaker 3: And I'm like, because we need to take a shower.
Speaker 3: So so they go get towels and it was like
Speaker 3: a bunch of like their beach towels. And so we
Speaker 3: apparently like accidentally took a couple of them with us
Speaker 3: in our bus because it was whatever towels. And so
Speaker 3: a couple of weeks later, this is when Twitter was at
Speaker 3: Zenith and I made this comment on Twitter about how
Speaker 3: Chili's is the worst restaurant in America. Second, then, okay,
Speaker 3: I just think it's a DISCUSSI I just don't like
Speaker 3: chili Applebee's is from me, but the worst, the worst.
Speaker 3: They at least they have a chicken and broccoli like,
Speaker 3: don't kill you things Applebee's, don't kill you like all
Speaker 3: the food of chilies is like you're gonna have a
Speaker 3: heart at their their meat caso as far. Yeah, well anyway,
Speaker 3: so I said, I mean, it's just it was a
Speaker 3: hot take. I was trying to get some and this, uh,
Speaker 3: this guy Missippi State rights back. Your concert in Mississippi
Speaker 3: State was the worst concert ever and and you stole
Speaker 3: our towels, and so I just wrote back to him, Well,
Speaker 3: to be fair, ChIL He's probably is the best restaurant
Speaker 3: in Starkville.
Speaker 4: Nice man him.
Speaker 3: Those college kids get after you, absolutely not, because they'll try.
Speaker 2: They'll try.
Speaker 3: I mean, they're going to take a cheap shot at
Speaker 3: the you know, the guy that stole their beach towel.
Speaker 3: I love that y'all stole them, mean to just threw
Speaker 3: them the like whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I have to tell one then on Old
Speaker 2: miss So we played the same venue with the Wood
Speaker 2: and Patcho Boys, maybe just like the Shop Boys. I
Speaker 2: can't remember what it was. They had one hit.
Speaker 3: It was a rap song, was it? The Beastie Boys and.
Speaker 2: Beach Boys, and uh so we start looking forward. We
Speaker 2: start putting party like a rock star. Remember Party on
Speaker 2: the Rockstar, Party like a jam, not a jam. It
Speaker 2: feels like it is a jam now because but it
Speaker 2: was honestly like totally dude, remember they do that. So
Speaker 2: they'd play intro of a song, thank you, appreciate you
Speaker 2: finding that.
Speaker 3: And then they go, do you feel validated right now?
Speaker 3: Because I was like, I think he's making something up.
Speaker 4: I don't know about this man.
Speaker 3: Get in front of it.
Speaker 2: Having one hit, right, because I'm pretty sure that was it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: one hit, and then you had to play like nine
Speaker 2: other songs. So they would play a song, their DJ
Speaker 2: would hit the thing, they rap a little bit, nobody cared,
Speaker 2: and then they go party like everybody. They go to
Speaker 2: another song like, oh my gosh, we didn't get it,
Speaker 2: and so they finally, of course saved it. From the
Speaker 2: very end, played party like rock story. Anyway. It was
Speaker 2: a crawfish bull We eat all these crawlfish because they're like,
Speaker 2: don't take anything off the stage. We want to because
Speaker 2: they didn't have anything, so it would have looked empty
Speaker 2: if we had taken all our equipment off. We start looking.
Speaker 2: It was a nineteen like eighties Stevie ray Vaughn strapped gone,
Speaker 2: dude gone. We can't find it anywhere. We're looking, like
Speaker 2: my butt. It was Jamie's guitar. He just tore up.
Speaker 2: Like he's life savings on this guitar. Yeah, some value
Speaker 2: of thing. So we go back to start. Well, we
Speaker 2: get a call from a guy that knew or that
Speaker 2: liked our band. The next day he found it under
Speaker 2: a van in the parking lot of the fraternity.
Speaker 3: It's like in the neck of guitar under the next somebody.
Speaker 2: Had grabbed it, taken it, slid it under the van,
Speaker 2: was gonna like come back and get it or whatever.
Speaker 2: He finds it, and I mean there's like some nicks
Speaker 2: and scratches, like you got it back, but he got
Speaker 2: it back, so that even makes it cooler. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I want to talk trash about almost fraternities, but I
Speaker 2: can't because we made so much money off that I played.
Speaker 2: They paid good.
Speaker 3: They had some dollars.
Speaker 2: They had some dollars over there for sure, and the
Speaker 2: grows fun. I can't deny. That's pretty cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, my siblings both went there, so I like to
Speaker 3: give my hard time. But it's a cool town.
Speaker 2: Yeah it's cool too.
Speaker 3: But there's my favorite sort of story from that era
Speaker 3: touring was we were playing somewhere and there's we were
Speaker 3: just a four piece at the time and no keys,
Speaker 3: and so this drunk guy keeps yelling play piano man,
Speaker 3: like there's no piano. This was like a drake. This
Speaker 3: was like a ticketed show. It wasn't like a cover song.
Speaker 3: I was like, ah, that's cool, man, We're not gonna
Speaker 3: play that's like we did.
Speaker 2: Like three or four times.
Speaker 3: He's like, play piano man. Finally, I just look at
Speaker 3: the band. I was like, let's just tell him were
Speaker 3: gonna play piano man, and then we'll play our next song.
Speaker 2: So I did.
Speaker 3: I was like, all right, this next song is called
Speaker 3: piano man. He's like hell yeah, and he goes back
Speaker 3: to the bar and we just played the next song.
Speaker 3: I set that's a great way to do that.
Speaker 4: That's a great way to.
Speaker 3: Do like and they never said it was it he
Speaker 3: got he thought he got piano man. You know he was.
Speaker 3: I mean he was like, eyes closed, hammered.
Speaker 2: You know, did you guys as play weddings by sure
Speaker 2: a million? Okay, so we hated doing them. Yeah, we
Speaker 2: were like so much pressure pegadgad. Well we out price them, right,
Speaker 2: We'll be like, we ain't doing this for lesson and.
Speaker 3: Then sometimes they come back and they will pay it
Speaker 3: and you're like, all right, well, yeah, for that money,
Speaker 3: it's worth.
Speaker 2: That's where we were at this point in my career.
Speaker 2: So we're driving. We're driving to Jacksonmissippi. They have sent
Speaker 2: us the CD the lyric sheet of the song that
Speaker 2: we're supposed to play for the Daddy Daughter Dance. Right,
Speaker 2: So we're like, okay, the song.
Speaker 3: Is that part of the story.
Speaker 2: Oh, I have no idea. I have no idea, but
Speaker 2: we didn't know.
Speaker 3: It Butterfly I Kiss. Yeah, something mildly obscure.
Speaker 2: Otherwise we would have known it even into it. That's
Speaker 2: all I know of that song. Do you know any
Speaker 2: more of that song? Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, uh, something about because it says to walk me
Speaker 3: down the aisle daddy.
Speaker 4: You know there's something like cheesy.
Speaker 2: That guy's probably still making bank whoever wrote that song.
Speaker 2: All right, anyway, so they give us this record, we
Speaker 2: put it in the CD player. We're like, man, we
Speaker 2: gotta listen, because you never listen to the songs until
Speaker 2: the day of the gig. Right, So we're driving down
Speaker 2: there as.
Speaker 3: Which is what we did with your song on the moon.
Speaker 2: As we're going down forty five, dude his something pops
Speaker 2: in this truck and we look back and there's like
Speaker 2: a black box and some parts coming out of his
Speaker 2: Ford Explorer, right on the Ford Escape sorright on the
Speaker 2: way to the gig that we're already laid for. So
Speaker 2: his granddad comes and picks us up. We jump out
Speaker 2: of the car. We're like, our band is already like
Speaker 2: playing some stuff. We're not even there yet at the
Speaker 2: at the and this is like super nice place in
Speaker 2: jacksonbthe city. This person's probably going to eventually hear this
Speaker 2: story and be like, yeah, it was my way, I
Speaker 2: knew it. So we come running in. Well, he's like
Speaker 2: before we get there, he's like, man, we gotta listen
Speaker 2: to that song. And I was like, we left it
Speaker 2: in the broke car, you know. So now we have
Speaker 2: never heard this song, and you don't have the reference,
Speaker 2: and we don't have the reference, but we have the
Speaker 2: lyrics sheet. Oh my gosh, so and there's no like
Speaker 2: I'm so nervous internetty, you know, what's going on internetty
Speaker 2: stuff at that. I mean, you can't just like googles,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? You have anyway, So we
Speaker 2: put this gig and we run in and it's like
Speaker 2: daddy daughter coming in. So we have the lyrics sheets.
Speaker 2: So my buddy just sets the sheet and then just
Speaker 2: plays like one four five and sings the lyrics, and
Speaker 2: as they're dancing, Like as the daughter and the dad
Speaker 2: are dancing, she's going like, this is the right song.
Speaker 2: And he's like what. She's like listen, and I'm seeing
Speaker 2: you know, we're just kind of making up melodies and
Speaker 2: getting through this thing.
Speaker 3: So it turns interpretive.
Speaker 2: Somewhere there's a video of this, you know, because you
Speaker 2: know it was filmed right, so that every time hot
Speaker 2: he's mad, right, So he's like he comes up everything.
Speaker 2: He's like, hey, we sent that cded three months ago.
Speaker 2: That was the wrong song in my at the time.
Speaker 2: One of our buddies acting like our manager. We have
Speaker 2: a manager. He ran like, hey, hey, what's the problem here.
Speaker 2: He's like, well, they played the wrong song and he
Speaker 2: was like he picks up the lyrics. She He's like,
Speaker 2: are these not the words? And then I was like whoa, yeah,
Speaker 2: those are the words. He was like, this hardist interpretation.
Speaker 2: You got a one of one artist interpretation on your song,
Speaker 2: and like just completely He goes, I guess I wasn't
Speaker 2: thinking of it like that, and he's like, what kind
Speaker 2: of music do you like? Man? He's like, well, I'm
Speaker 2: a Boston fan. He's like, you want to get up
Speaker 2: there and sing more than a feeling? He was like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I do. We played more than a feeling. They paid
Speaker 2: the bill and everything was part of that's awesome, completely
Speaker 2: wrong song.
Speaker 3: You wants some karaoke like, He's like, yeah, man, it was.
Speaker 2: Those weddings are tough, tough. I want to know if
Speaker 2: you had to play a wedding right now. And little
Speaker 2: rock and they said, hey, man, we want you to
Speaker 2: come to one song during the service. We want you
Speaker 2: to do Daddy Daughter Dance, and then whatever the other
Speaker 2: one is, and then the first dance, first dance, Daddy
Speaker 2: Daughter dance, and then three or four to get out
Speaker 2: of there. What are you charging right now?
Speaker 3: Because I know with kids at this stage of the game,
Speaker 3: that's just me by myself or with the yourself. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's fifty kick, yeah worth it At that point I
Speaker 3: got a funny story about this. So I just I
Speaker 3: don't really love singing the anthem, but I'll do it
Speaker 3: because she's like nothing to gain, everything to lose. Absolutely,
Speaker 3: And I have flubbed it once in my life, thankfully.
Speaker 3: It was when I was young and nobody knew who
Speaker 3: I was. But so to read high school basketball game. Yeah,
Speaker 3: mym was high scho basketball. After I went to in
Speaker 3: the Rockets regular and the Rockets REDLA.
Speaker 4: Just keep running, where does it go?
Speaker 3: And my mom, who's like a nervous laugher, I can
Speaker 3: hear her in the in the stands. It's like five
Speaker 3: hundred people. She's like like awesome. So I had like
Speaker 3: this scar tissue about the anthem. But if I decided
Speaker 3: to uh get back in the saddle when the Preds
Speaker 3: asked us to do for a playoff and I was like,
Speaker 3: all right, that's it. And then we've done for the
Speaker 3: Gris like a couple of times. And so this this
Speaker 3: year we did the Titans last game the season and
Speaker 3: they were like, we can give you, you know, box seats
Speaker 3: for your kids. I was like, all right, that's worth.
Speaker 3: It'll be fun Christmas Eve game. So my friend Nate Bargatzi,
Speaker 3: the comedian is so funny. He does the the sword
Speaker 3: and the Stone moment where they bring out like the
Speaker 3: twelfth Man thing, and so we're sitting in the box
Speaker 3: and I was like, I was like, you kind of
Speaker 3: had the easier gig for the free tickets tonight, you know,
Speaker 3: And he's like, yeah, I mean just pull the sword out,
Speaker 3: you know. I was like, so, what what does it
Speaker 3: cost me to? Like, what's going to cost the world
Speaker 3: to get you to do the anthem at the Titans game?
Speaker 3: I was a million bucks and he goes ten.
Speaker 4: He's like, I'm not thinking he's taking a joke.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not singing the anthem.
Speaker 1: Listening to your music, there's just an overall well like sense.
Speaker 3: Of like a zest for life in it. Sure when
Speaker 3: you listen to it, what well do you draw from
Speaker 3: from that? Like? Where where does that inspiration come from?
Speaker 3: For you? I mean a lot of it comes from family,
Speaker 3: Like my dad had this mentality grown up again because
Speaker 3: I think I told you all earlier about my brother
Speaker 3: had the special needs and we knew that we didn't
Speaker 3: we're going to have him for a full lifetime. So
Speaker 3: there was this sort of conviction that came from the
Speaker 3: top down in our family that life is short and
Speaker 3: it's hard, and the way to beat it is to
Speaker 3: is to go after it hard. So I went to
Speaker 3: forty six states by the time I graduated high school
Speaker 3: with my family. We had an old conversion band that
Speaker 3: had a lift in it. And for spring break and
Speaker 3: summer break and Thanksgiving break we hit the road.
Speaker 2: We went.
Speaker 3: He made it a point to take your brother. So
Speaker 3: we like we go out and we're like on the
Speaker 3: way to Colorado and we stopped at this horse ranch
Speaker 3: and Amillo to do like a trail ride. And they're like,
Speaker 3: we don't. We can't take the handicap kid. And he's like,
Speaker 3: yeah he can. He throws him in the backpack and
Speaker 3: he rides the horse with him in the backpack.
Speaker 2: Yes, you know, we go skiing.
Speaker 3: He like gets finds the what mountain has the place
Speaker 3: where the guides can take the kid in the seat
Speaker 3: with the armed skis right? And uh, living living like
Speaker 3: just life is hard, so get after it, you know,
Speaker 3: don't sit and wait around on it. So that that
Speaker 3: sort of spirit came from really from my dad and
Speaker 3: talked early about my grandfathers, like came from the hymn
Speaker 3: as well. And then I just had like an insatiable
Speaker 3: curiosity within myself to I was kind of an explorer,
Speaker 3: you know, I wanted to go see stuff I wanted
Speaker 3: to go, like in the woods behind the neighborhood and
Speaker 3: your snake, well, don't don't run away from it, try
Speaker 3: to pick it up. You know, like just little little
Speaker 3: mentalities that kind of were ingrained in me at a
Speaker 3: young age through family, through scouts, through sports, through you know,
Speaker 3: chasing the girl you're interested in. It's like all the
Speaker 3: little things that kind of take it risk. I was
Speaker 3: a risk taker from from the beginning, and even choosing
Speaker 3: to do this job is very like absolutely, it's a risk.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 3: You got everybody in school and college you're like, you're
Speaker 3: gonna do what?
Speaker 2: Yeah, we dealt with that.
Speaker 3: You know, very few people believed in me early on. Thankfully,
Speaker 3: the two that really did were my parents. My mom
Speaker 3: had some questions because she was like major, Like, I
Speaker 3: don't think my mom had ever been in a bar
Speaker 3: in her life. She's like, You're in a bar three
Speaker 3: nights a week now, playing music. This is hard for me,
Speaker 3: but I trust you, and so I'm like, I'm going
Speaker 3: to be in your corner, but I need to know
Speaker 3: what's up here and promise me you're always She's like,
Speaker 3: I need to always know that I can understand the lyrics.
Speaker 3: She's like, I hate it when singers like hell yeah
Speaker 3: in the rock. So there was just the spirit of
Speaker 3: And then when my brother passed away, music was the
Speaker 3: thing that got me through that. You know, I was
Speaker 3: sitting in my jeep and just listen to Van Morrison
Speaker 3: Records and David Gray and George Strait and just feel,
Speaker 3: you know, and it just made life kind of makes sense.
Speaker 3: And so when I started writing, yeah, I think it
Speaker 3: just kind of comes out of me. I I've always
Speaker 3: wanted to be able to carry the tension of like
Speaker 3: joy and sorrow and music, and I think all my
Speaker 3: favorite artists do that. I think the magic feeling in
Speaker 3: any great song is ache and not necessarily like like
Speaker 3: he said, aye, but like there's ake in Katy Perry's
Speaker 3: firework in the way she sings it. You know, it's
Speaker 3: not just like interesting. I'm not talking about sadness. I'm
Speaker 3: talking about like passion and feelings. You believe it, you
Speaker 3: sing it because you mean it. And so that's sort
Speaker 3: of been a driving force in my music, and I
Speaker 3: think it comes out. You can come out in a
Speaker 3: quiet song like American Beauty, or can come out in
Speaker 3: the song dance to everybody. It's like a big anthem
Speaker 3: or family. So I just, yeah, I don't know. It's
Speaker 3: the fact that music has worked for me is very
Speaker 3: much gravy, because my goal when I started was I
Speaker 3: want to sell out Third the Old Third Lesslie right,
Speaker 3: and I want to sell out the High Tone in Memphis,
Speaker 3: both of which are and fifty cap venues. And so
Speaker 3: the fact that dais, yeah, it's like, if I could
Speaker 3: play these venues that I grew up going and see shows,
Speaker 3: I've made it, then I've made it. And the fact
Speaker 3: that it's gone way beyond that is just gravy. Now
Speaker 3: it's still hard. I still have doubts about it all
Speaker 3: the time, like all of us do. And still sometimes
Speaker 3: I sit down and write a song, I go, I
Speaker 3: don't know if I'm if I'm really actually good at
Speaker 3: this right. But then but then when I'm finishing, I
Speaker 3: do write a good and I'm like, oh, no, hobbies,
Speaker 3: I don't need.
Speaker 2: Practice practice in American You compare her eyes to canyons?
Speaker 2: Was that an inspired thing, or are you just like
Speaker 2: I'm gonna put the coolest thing I can think of
Speaker 2: it here to make my wife love me.
Speaker 3: Well, that song is not about my wife out Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's about the one that got away. That's like the
Speaker 3: high school love. Sorry, it's all right. She's got plenty
Speaker 3: of songs about her. She can she can just embrace
Speaker 3: the fact that one of my best songs is not
Speaker 3: about her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, shying. My wife loves like I don't
Speaker 2: tell her anymore which ones are and or not about her.
Speaker 2: She's like, hey, man, as long as the check keeps going,
Speaker 2: don't care who they're about.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right past the point of being right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just laughing. It's all good. Yeah, totally.
Speaker 3: So that song was It's a cool story. It's kind
Speaker 3: of really shows my writing process. That little riff i'd
Speaker 3: had been one of those riffs I just every time
Speaker 3: I pick up a guitar. It was like just there
Speaker 3: for like a year, and I stole a writing habit
Speaker 3: from It's kind of a mixture of John Prine and
Speaker 3: Jeff Tweety from Willcoch. John Prian used to say he
Speaker 3: would go get a newspaper and he would try to
Speaker 3: find like thirty words in the paper. It wasn't even
Speaker 3: really reading the newspaper. It's just like looking for words.
Speaker 3: So you know, so for me like canyon huh or
Speaker 3: compare onion and then whatever. Then when you're done with
Speaker 3: the thirty words, then you go find three words at
Speaker 3: rhyme with all thirty. So you've got one hundred and
Speaker 3: twenty little tools, right key bank thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you put them in a.
Speaker 3: In a journal on the keep all that stuff on
Speaker 3: the left side, and the right side is for putting
Speaker 3: it all together, like puzzle pieces on the left, puzzle
Speaker 3: on the right.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: So one day I was just sitting there and had
Speaker 3: that riff and I was like, let me finally sing
Speaker 3: something to this. And I pulled the journal out and
Speaker 3: this his companion Canyon something else. She was a good companion. Originally,
Speaker 3: I said, with thighs like the Grand Canyon. And I
Speaker 3: played it for the band and my drummer said, like,
Speaker 3: they all loved it, except for my drummer Marcus.
Speaker 2: At the time.
Speaker 3: He goes, oh, what do you mean with thighs like
Speaker 3: the Grand Canyon? And I was like, no, man with
Speaker 3: eyes like the Grand Canyon. He's like, I think you
Speaker 3: need to get rid of the whiff. So she was
Speaker 3: a good companion eyes like the grand canon because other
Speaker 3: words was she was a good companion thighs like the
Speaker 3: grand kid with thighs, So what do you mean with thighs.
Speaker 3: So that's kind of like that's sort of how that
Speaker 3: one came about. And it was very quickly like, oh,
Speaker 3: this is a song about like the one that got away,
Speaker 3: that the unattainable one, like your first love that absolutely
Speaker 3: broke your heart, which taught you how to sure like
Speaker 3: how to feel hard. Which is interesting because like my
Speaker 3: mom heard the song because there's this metaphor about shots fired,
Speaker 3: you know, and my mom was like, she's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's a sad song, that song about suicide.
Speaker 2: And I was like, what, mom's got a chill due, Yeah,
Speaker 2: all moms chill, dude, we're not talking about it.
Speaker 3: But then then the song got you.
Speaker 2: We're not playing in bars and grills, we don't drink. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this food there's Apple's pretty much nobody gets drunk there.
Speaker 3: But then when writing the song came out, Dick Sporting
Speaker 3: Goods picked it up for their big Christmas commercial and
Speaker 3: it was a song about a dad like giving his
Speaker 3: daughter this basketball goal, and then she grows up over
Speaker 3: forty five seconds she was up and drives away to
Speaker 3: the line. I wish I'd held her. I wish I'd
Speaker 3: held her longer.
Speaker 2: Get out here.
Speaker 3: And so, and my daughter was one that year. She's
Speaker 3: now eleven. And so I'm watching this commercial going my song.
Speaker 3: I didn't know it was about this, but now I'm sobbing.
Speaker 4: I do I need a basketball?
Speaker 3: You got one?
Speaker 4: Now I got one.
Speaker 2: I'm already like trying to manipulate my daughter and to
Speaker 2: never leaving my son.
Speaker 3: You love your daddy, right, I would love nothing more
Speaker 3: that my daughter's very, very smart. I would love nothing
Speaker 3: more that for somehow, when she's like in her twenties,
Speaker 3: we're in business together.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you know somehow. I don't know she was
Speaker 2: likestant or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, hey, I'll fund your dream if I'm I'm your partner.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, in a daddy way. Yeah. Man, those those
Speaker 2: little girls. Dude like my son, he's he's wild. I
Speaker 2: tell there's such a difference between the two of them. Right,
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna dad you to death, but the most
Speaker 2: recent one is that I try to get him outsie
Speaker 2: as much as I can if I told this, I
Speaker 2: don't know. Anyway. We're walking through this field the other
Speaker 2: day and I'm picking up big rocks like as we're
Speaker 2: walking and I'm slinging them down the hill because I
Speaker 2: don't want to hit him with a bush hag like
Speaker 2: with the grass is real low right down, so I'm
Speaker 2: picking him up throwing them. My daughter never even gives
Speaker 2: a second thought to what I'm doing, or she's chasing
Speaker 2: butterflies and skipping through the field, you know whatever. Finally
Speaker 2: my wife is like, where where's boon At. I was like,
Speaker 2: I don't know. We can look back and he's like
Speaker 2: thirty yards behind us and he is in full like
Speaker 2: world's strongest man squat mode. He's got this rock it's
Speaker 2: about like this, it's probably gonna go six seven eight pounds.
Speaker 2: He's this tall dude like yeah, but and a half. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's one and a half years old, almost two. So
Speaker 2: he's going.
Speaker 3: Like I'm.
Speaker 2: A good job buddy, and Shine was like, we're gonna
Speaker 2: have the first like one and a half year old
Speaker 2: was like a blown disc in his back. Lift this
Speaker 2: stuff up. But it's just a total like extremely different
Speaker 2: as far as having both and see him come up,
Speaker 2: But dudes want to pick rocks up and throw them, man,
Speaker 2: they do. You know.
Speaker 3: I have two boys, and it's interesting because one of
Speaker 3: them is very much like that. Our baby boy is
Speaker 3: an absolute we call him Hulk. I mean, he's just
Speaker 3: like wild. And then our middle one is way more
Speaker 3: like cerebral and I mean he's It's interesting because he like,
Speaker 3: from one to five, I could not get him to
Speaker 3: pick up a ball really, and all of a sudden
Speaker 3: he turns five, and all of a sudden he is
Speaker 3: like sports. It's like something something clicked. But then he's
Speaker 3: also like in you know, reading Harry Potter and he's like,
Speaker 3: don't talk to me while I'm reading, Dad, I'm reading
Speaker 3: Oh my daughter, I'm a pilot.
Speaker 2: I love to fly. You're a pot and sick.
Speaker 3: My daughter is the best co pilot. What is that?
Speaker 3: What does that mean? Can I do this? Can I can?
Speaker 3: I ask the radio guy like she's like your.
Speaker 2: Kids and stuff. I feel good about it and nervous.
Speaker 3: I mean I get like appropriately nervous.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, you know, like yeah, I do know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But it's interesting because they're all so different. Whereas
Speaker 3: the third one, he's not allowed to file with me
Speaker 3: because he's gonna touch he's going to crash the plane, he's.
Speaker 4: Gonna start it off.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's like, yeah, what's this figure out? The only
Speaker 3: way he's allowing me is Ellie's with him and there
Speaker 3: in the back seat and he's got a seat belt on, like,
Speaker 3: don't let him touch anything. So yeah, yeah, get the iPad. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I need him to be distracted.
Speaker 2: I was burning a big burn pile out in our
Speaker 2: past the other day. And on the tractor there's a
Speaker 2: gearshift that you maneuver the bucket with and there's a
Speaker 2: little button on it and it ramps the RPMs up
Speaker 2: if you need to. Dude, he found that button. He's
Speaker 2: he's looking at my wife. He's like, just I mean
Speaker 2: hammering that RPM. But man, they're different, dude.
Speaker 3: They I'm taking my boys this summer on a u
Speaker 3: TV trip in the desert, sick where are you going?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 3: Kind of a round Zion and Bryce Canyon. It's a
Speaker 3: bunch of dads. There's like a there's a company that
Speaker 3: does these trips and it's it's a four day camping.
Speaker 3: You have to put your cell phone in a lock box,
Speaker 3: so you have four straight days in the summertime with
Speaker 3: your kids, going to swimming holes driving these utv s.
Speaker 3: I want to get that, Yeah, because that's called Wilderness
Speaker 3: Collective as the company. I've done two or three of
Speaker 3: the trips they have motorcycle trips to dirt bike trips.
Speaker 3: The last time I did that, I broke my wrists,
Speaker 3: So I'm not doing that one any time soon. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but they're like for a kid, just trying to find
Speaker 3: like that thing, like talking about my dad. I want to,
Speaker 3: especially because I'm gone a lot with touring, I have
Speaker 3: to be super intentional about absolutely where do I really
Speaker 3: dig in to create sort of core memories and experiences
Speaker 3: with my kids because this is such a weird life.
Speaker 2: Music is a weird life. Agreed?
Speaker 3: How was how was taking them on the road with y'all?
Speaker 2: Oh, it's awesome. They love it.
Speaker 3: I mean we One of the reasons my wife quit
Speaker 3: the band, you know, eleven years ago, was because we
Speaker 3: were still in a sprinter and we had a baby. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and you know tough. Our daughter was in a sprinter
Speaker 3: van one hundred and eighty days of our first year. God,
Speaker 3: you know, it was brutal, right. Thankfully, since then we've
Speaker 3: graduated into the buses and they love being on the bus.
Speaker 3: They sleep great. They wake up in a new town.
Speaker 3: We've got eight hours to kill before adventure. We got adventure. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so we wake up, we find a children's museum or
Speaker 3: a park or whatever. We'll find something to do and
Speaker 3: they're there. They love it. And you know, I think
Speaker 3: it's getting tricky with school, you know, taken them out.
Speaker 3: But we're trying to dream up this big year long
Speaker 3: RV trip where we take them out of school for
Speaker 3: a year and homeschool and see everything. And I don't
Speaker 3: know if it'll work or not. We want to test
Speaker 3: it first for like three weeks because if it's hell,
Speaker 3: then we're not definitely not going to do it right.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean I think even even you know, hunting,
Speaker 3: like my son. My daughter isn't really that interested in it.
Speaker 3: She's kind of like anti touching animals and all that stuff.
Speaker 3: But my son's like, all right, dad, when do I
Speaker 3: get to go? So this year I taught him. I
Speaker 3: got him shoot at four ten a couple of times,
Speaker 3: and he didn't mind. He didn't love it. That was
Speaker 3: a little fourteenth the great gun howl.
Speaker 2: He's eight. Yeah, I'm wondering yeah, I wonder what the ages.
Speaker 2: I don't remember.
Speaker 3: I think it was I was like ten or even
Speaker 3: when I got my first shotgun.
Speaker 2: I was at least I almost say ten or eleven.
Speaker 3: Shoot the four ten? Do you think I was shooting?
Speaker 3: I got twenty when I was probably twelve, and the
Speaker 3: first duck kind of went on. I was, I dropped
Speaker 3: it in the water. My grandfather was not super happy.
Speaker 4: A love that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like you just dropped your new shotgun in
Speaker 3: the water. I was like, it's fifteen degrees and I
Speaker 3: would rather an So.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm thinking rabbit hunting was probably the first shotgun
Speaker 2: that we were.
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, four hunt when I was probably a ten.
Speaker 1: Yeah, as the first four ten is the gun, that's
Speaker 1: the that's the gun to introduce a kid too.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: There's this duck hole in Arkansas that I I've been
Speaker 3: privileged to go to a couple times, very well managed,
Speaker 3: high end place that crushes the mallards. They have this
Speaker 3: hole called the four ten hole and they you can
Speaker 3: only shoot a four ten. That's awesome in this hole
Speaker 3: because they could the mallards come in your face. And
Speaker 3: it's likely I've only done it once, but it was
Speaker 3: one of my favorite hunts.
Speaker 2: But you gotta you gotta be shooting good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you there was a post Jordan sent it to me.
Speaker 1: Is a long like post you made about you're gonna
Speaker 1: take some time to slow down a little bit. Can
Speaker 1: you let us into that mindset a little bit?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Sure.
Speaker 3: I mean I feel like I'm forty one, forty two
Speaker 3: may I have gone as hard as I can for
Speaker 3: almost twenty years. Yeah, you know, I'm independent. You know
Speaker 3: I'm not. I'm sort of like genre homeless. You know,
Speaker 3: I'm a country adjacent, but I'm not a country artist.
Speaker 3: I'm not a rock artist. I'm like this Americana folk
Speaker 3: songwriter thing. So that's required a lot of extra effort
Speaker 3: on the marketing style because there's not really like a
Speaker 3: there's not an obvious home for me. And I've been
Speaker 3: thankful to be sort of like associated with all these
Speaker 3: different sort of genres and stuff. But but we independent,
Speaker 3: So I've had to go hard both as an artist,
Speaker 3: as a songwriter and as kind of a business owner.
Speaker 3: You know, that's one thing people want to tell you
Speaker 3: to start a music career, that you're wrestle starting a
Speaker 3: business also enough to get a booked for this first
Speaker 3: real festival and they're like, send me your general liability
Speaker 3: policy and I'm like, send me my what and they're
Speaker 3: like a go get one of the Yeah, it's a
Speaker 3: two thousand dollars a year. And I was like, wow, okay,
Speaker 3: this is this is different.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't know what I was getting.
Speaker 3: So anyways, that gone hard for a long time, and
Speaker 3: I feel like I've reached a nice point where I
Speaker 3: could probably draw back thirty forty percent of my touring
Speaker 3: and still be plenty busy enough, but be homewre and
Speaker 3: I like, I want to go camping.
Speaker 2: With my kids.
Speaker 3: I want to go duck hunting with my kids. And
Speaker 3: so much of our work is on the weekends, you know,
Speaker 3: festivals and private events. Everybody's are work is other people's play,
Speaker 3: you know, no doubt, And so that's a tricky dynamic
Speaker 3: with a family. And so just learning to say, like,
Speaker 3: I don't necessarily need to play Des Moines on a
Speaker 3: Tuesday anymore.
Speaker 2: I mean, I loved Moin out there.
Speaker 3: If you're out there in Des Moines, if if y'all
Speaker 3: bring more people to show, I'd be it'd be a
Speaker 3: Friday night show. Nobody listen, Yeah, I mean many if
Speaker 3: you could, if you could bring out the number of
Speaker 3: people at Minneapolis brings the boy, I'll come out on
Speaker 3: it together.
Speaker 2: I'll get it.
Speaker 4: I'll give you a weekend night. That's great.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's just a matter of like pulling back some.
Speaker 3: The metaphor I used in the post was I've been
Speaker 3: going nine in the left lane for twenty years. It's
Speaker 3: time to go like seventy one, seventy two in the
Speaker 3: right lane. Yeah, I'm sure that that thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just sae it was. It's part of the show.
Speaker 3: It's time for part of the show. Yeah, whatever, God.
Speaker 2: For the show. I love. It's the one that got away.
Speaker 2: Do it.
Speaker 3: Last time I duck home my grandfather, we had nineteen ducks,
Speaker 3: four or something, limit was five. He's like, all right, Drew,
Speaker 3: you get to kill.
Speaker 2: The last duck. Brick brick, whift brick.
Speaker 3: Never happened. Happened, we left, We left all with nineteen ducks.
Speaker 4: That's so great that I will say.
Speaker 3: Earlier in the hunt, I a solo shot a black duck,
Speaker 3: the only one shot. So there was some redemptive major
Speaker 3: to it. But I was like, okay, last duck.
Speaker 2: Dang, shoot, dang.
Speaker 3: Everybody's watched Yea, we were hunting with this guy, this
Speaker 3: guy named Joe Christian from Arkansas, and he had a
Speaker 3: dog named wing Chester. Wing Winchester was his name, wing
Speaker 3: chester Chester and it was it was a chestbeake lab
Speaker 3: and uh, that dog was so ready to get that
Speaker 3: twentieth bird and he was just looking at me disappointed.
Speaker 4: Bro get it.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna find it.
Speaker 2: That's good. That's awesome. There's a lot to unpack on that,
Speaker 2: but that's really good. All right.
Speaker 3: Now we're gonna do gravorite favorite song for you, Drew
Speaker 3: hopel Man. I like a lot of songs. It's just
Speaker 3: to you, just to me, to you, man.
Speaker 2: It doesn't have to be the great song of all time.
Speaker 3: I mean, this is sort of embarrassing. But the song
Speaker 3: that absolutely kills me every time I hear it is
Speaker 3: nothing compares to you, Snead O'Connor.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's how the genre with you.
Speaker 3: We're gonna give you another one. I didn't know that
Speaker 3: Prince wrote that song until I was like ten years ago,
Speaker 3: years old. Alright, I know and Prince and all right,
Speaker 3: so that's probably the one that always makes me cry.
Speaker 2: That's not what you asked by the way, when you
Speaker 2: were talking about the three artists that you listened to,
Speaker 2: it was Van Morrison. Who's the other one? Dave was Gray.
Speaker 2: You don't have to do that because we're a country podcast,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: Listen, Hey, I love George Strait. If you put on
Speaker 3: like how about them girls? Or I could still make Cheyenne.
Speaker 4: I never forget.
Speaker 3: I was on a dove hunt with my grandfather and
Speaker 3: my cousins, and I didn't like country music in middle school.
Speaker 3: I was like, where is Why are we not playing Nirvana?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Same, you know what's going on? You know?
Speaker 3: But then they're like, what's the who's thing? They ever
Speaker 3: lie in the house?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: And I was like, man, that songs hits, you know.
Speaker 3: So I was sitt in the back seat and it
Speaker 3: was twelve, maybe thirteen, and this girl no I was
Speaker 3: in the back of my cousins is Bronco. Yeah, different
Speaker 3: car than my grandfather. And his name is Chuck. He played,
Speaker 3: He played. He was an offensive tackle for Germantown High School,
Speaker 3: and I thought he was the king of the world.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I never forgot.
Speaker 3: I went to a rival middle school like Houston Middle,
Speaker 3: Houston High, Germantown Middle geramtwn High and they won the
Speaker 3: Then they both made it to the regional championship and
Speaker 3: Houston beat Germantown. My cousin so Sunday Sunday church dinner
Speaker 3: at my grandparents he pulls up and I go, who
Speaker 3: are we Houston? Who do we beat Germantown? And he goes,
Speaker 3: who are you five years old?
Speaker 4: What did you do?
Speaker 3: Nothing? And I was like, I didn't think about it.
Speaker 4: On the back seat.
Speaker 3: I'm in the back seat of his car. And I
Speaker 3: had had this girl that I really liked that somebody
Speaker 3: got word to me that she was she didn't like me.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: It was heartbreak break, yes, And all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: he's playing his country music in the car and I
Speaker 3: hear telephone rang about a quarter nine. I heard her
Speaker 3: voice on the other end of I heard his voice
Speaker 3: and I can still make shyne. And for whatever reason,
Speaker 3: even though I wasn't a rodeo person.
Speaker 4: Or whatever, but that heartbreak song. I'm in the back seat.
Speaker 3: The first time I cried to a country song was
Speaker 3: on the way back from a dove hunt.
Speaker 4: I'm just like.
Speaker 3: My story and I'm like, I guess. The next day,
Speaker 3: I rode my bike to Cat's music and bought a
Speaker 3: George Straight record and Al Jackson, No way, absolutely, that's
Speaker 3: the coolest.
Speaker 2: That that cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I can still make Cheyenne is one that
Speaker 3: always gets me.
Speaker 2: We'll go with that one. Yeah, yeah, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 2: I'm just kidding. They're both great, dude, thanks for coming on.
Speaker 2: That's fun. Are good?
Speaker 3: Are we going to do the grand granddad ghost thing?
Speaker 2: I mean sure? Is it?
Speaker 3: Is it a good story or is it like, well,
Speaker 3: it's not a true story, but it's a good it
Speaker 3: doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: It make for a good song. Yeah, it has to
Speaker 2: be true.
Speaker 3: I mean, we all carry the people with us, right.
Speaker 3: So I was writing a song with my buddy Zach Williams.
Speaker 3: He's in a band called The Lounge Below, and we
Speaker 3: just got to talking about our granddad's for whatever reason, and.
Speaker 2: Probably because yours was awesome.
Speaker 3: Yeah, apparently his was too. I didn't know his grandfather.
Speaker 3: Granddads are awesome, they are always. Yeah, So we started
Speaker 3: talking about and I had sort of God, this course,
Speaker 3: you know, take a few chances, a few worthy romances,
Speaker 3: go swimming in the ocean.
Speaker 2: On New Year's Day.
Speaker 3: I saw all these life things and it ended with
Speaker 3: go slay all the dragons and stand in your way,
Speaker 3: and it was like, I'm like, who have said that
Speaker 3: to me? And he's like our grandfathers because we've been
Speaker 3: talking about it earlier. So I wrote this whole song
Speaker 3: about basically being on a camping trip and having like
Speaker 3: this crazy interaction with your own grandfather, a song called
Speaker 3: Dragons I'll never forget. The first time I played it
Speaker 3: was we do a Christmas show at the skimmer Horn
Speaker 3: here in town every year, and it's not all Christmas
Speaker 3: songs because I would never go to that show. So
Speaker 3: I said, we got to have fifty percent non Christmas
Speaker 3: or else I'm not doing this tradition because my wife
Speaker 3: is like.
Speaker 2: This Christmas tradition.
Speaker 3: Yeah, my wife is like the female version of Elf.
Speaker 3: So she's like, we do all Christmas. Yeah, I'm like, no,
Speaker 3: it's too much Christmas.
Speaker 4: So we play the song.
Speaker 3: It's the first time ever in my life we got
Speaker 3: a standing ovation after the first course. And there's something
Speaker 3: about that reality that, you know, the ghost of the
Speaker 3: people that loved us that everybody carries, you know, and
Speaker 3: so that's like that song kind of came out of
Speaker 3: that whole history of him in my childhood and larger
Speaker 3: than life. And you know, in some ways I'm a
Speaker 3: little bit like that too, And I hope that. I
Speaker 3: hope my grandkids wonder for the stories I'm telling her true,
Speaker 3: because they'll.
Speaker 2: Probably be almost true. Almost. Yeah, never let the truth
Speaker 2: get the way. Have a good story, man, Drew Hope.
Speaker 3: Dude, you're awesome.
Speaker 2: This is fun, like we were better friends than we
Speaker 2: actually are. I think you took it very well well.
Speaker 2: I feel right home with you guys. Yeah, come back, man,
Speaker 2: thanks for hanging out in God's country.
Speaker 3: We'll see all next time.