1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,440 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug 2 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on 3 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio in the iHeartRadio. 4 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 2: Appo What Up America, Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. 5 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 2: Mmmmmm uh interesting location today we'll discuss I'm actually a river. 6 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 2: I'm beside a river or a canal in Bricktown in 7 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 2: Oklahoma City, home of your NBA champions It just it. 8 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 2: Let's just be honest. It feels weird. It feels weird 9 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 2: to say, hey, the NBA Championship. NBA team is in 10 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 2: Oklahoma City, but I want to talk a lot of 11 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 2: college football. 12 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 3: Here. 13 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 2: To start the show, my good friend Mark Rodgers, who's 14 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:51,959 Speaker 2: was my co host in Oklahoma City almost twenty five 15 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 2: years ago. He's gonna pop on with us here in 16 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 2: ten minutes, and before we get to Ben Bolan as 17 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 2: we get ready to talk some NFL football Packers camp. 18 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:06,400 Speaker 2: Other camps have already opened up, some camps open today. 19 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 2: I do want to talk some college football. And look, 20 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 2: I'm a college basketball coach, so I'm not gonna say 21 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 2: I know where all the bodies are buried. But now 22 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 2: a full year into it, I learn every day about 23 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 2: how things work or are working or will work in 24 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 2: this new window of college athletics. And I thought I 25 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 2: heard a quote. I heard a quote from Mike Locksley. 26 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 2: Mike Loxley is the head coach at Maryland, and he 27 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 2: was He's from d c's from the DMV originally, and 28 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 2: so as a guy who cut his chops as an 29 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 2: elite recruiter at Alabama, at Illinois, at Florida, and previously 30 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 2: at Maryland when Ralph Free was there, he has done 31 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 2: a tremendous job on paper of recruiting better talent at 32 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 2: Maryland than anyone since they've joined the joined the Big Ten. Okay, again, 33 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 2: it's all relatives. Now, they have not won, and it's 34 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 2: very easy to go. Hey, let's look at his head 35 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 2: coaching record. He was two and twenty six at New Mexico. 36 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,639 Speaker 2: So yeah, maybe the guy can't coach. But if you 37 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 2: look at Maryland the two years previous to this to 38 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 2: last year, he won eight games to eight games, seven 39 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 2: games a year before that, they seemingly had turned the 40 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 2: tide last year four and eight. So I want you 41 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 2: to take a listen to this quote and then I'll 42 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 2: kind of expound upon it. Because it's very, very interesting 43 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 2: this new era in college athletics and how coaches across 44 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 2: the landscape of college football and college basketball are talking 45 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:58,839 Speaker 2: and we all have different ways in which we want 46 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,679 Speaker 2: to tack the same problem. But here's Locksley again, head 47 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 2: coach of Marylynd coming off of two straight eight win seasons, 48 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 2: discussing what happened in his disappointing year last year. 49 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 4: This for me is kind of a year of what 50 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 4: I like to call vulnerability. One of the greatest characteristics 51 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 4: you can have as a leader is the ability to 52 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 4: be vulnerable. And I'll tell you a year ago, coach 53 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 4: locks lost his locker room and for me to stand 54 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 4: in front of a group of media and tell you 55 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 4: that I lost my locker room and it wasn't because 56 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 4: I wasn't a good coach. It wasn't because they weren't 57 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 4: good players, because we were better than a four win team. 58 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 3: But what we have to do is we had. 59 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 4: Haves and have nots for the first time in our 60 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 4: locker room, and the landscape of college football taught me 61 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 4: a valuable lesson, and that valuable lesson is important for me, 62 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 4: even in the midst of this change, to continue to 63 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 4: educate our players on the importance of what playing for 64 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 4: something bigger than yourself is all about. And I can 65 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 4: tell you that if I've got to put my desk 66 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 4: in the locker room this year, I will, and I 67 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 4: expect our team to show up, play hard. And probably 68 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 4: one of the most exciting things is is if you 69 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 4: ask me what kind of team we have, I don't 70 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 4: know yet. 71 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 3: And that's a good thing. 72 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 4: And that's a good thing because as a coach sometimes 73 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 4: we feel like we have to have that answer. 74 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 3: Well, I've got fall camp. 75 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 4: I've got about twenty five practices in July in August 76 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 4: to figure it out and feel very confident with the 77 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 4: changes in the elevation of our program that we'll put 78 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 4: a product. 79 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 3: On a field that we can all be really excited about. 80 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 2: Listen, I understand that we all love We talked about 81 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 2: this yesterday Lindy's Athlon, you know, you name it, the 82 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 2: preview magazine that we've always picked up, like I am. Yeah, 83 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 2: I'm a college basketball coach, and yeah, I was a 84 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 2: professional basketball player after being a college basketball player, and 85 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 2: I've been an analyst, and I worked at ESPN for 86 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 2: a decade, and I worked for CBS for a half decade, 87 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 2: and this is my eighth year at Fox. So I 88 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:03,840 Speaker 2: think people think that there's some secret website we go 89 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:06,479 Speaker 2: to and there are some pretty good ones, or there's 90 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 2: some secret hand booklet handout that gives us all the 91 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 2: information or that, and you know, you try and talk 92 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 2: to as many college coaches, basketball, football, NFL people as possible, 93 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 2: and you do, and I can get more information than 94 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 2: you can get because of the jobs that I've had 95 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 2: over the past twenty plus years. But the reality is, 96 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 2: I'm a sports fan just like you are. I picked 97 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 2: up all these magazines anytime I've been flying, and this 98 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:38,919 Speaker 2: year they're completely worthless, completely worthless, because everybody's got a 99 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 2: whole new team year after year. The old days of ah, 100 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:44,239 Speaker 2: I saw this kid played a little bit as a freshman, 101 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 2: played a little bit more as a sophomore. As a junior, 102 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 2: he started to come on. Now he's a senior, and 103 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:50,719 Speaker 2: I think he's going to have a huge senior year 104 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:56,679 Speaker 2: Like that just doesn't usually happen anymore. It just doesn't. 105 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 2: I'm not saying unequivocally it doesn't happen anywhere, but it 106 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 2: is a rarity as opposed to That's how it used 107 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 2: to happen at most places. And then you throw in 108 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 2: the money factor, which you could sit there and go like, well, hey, 109 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 2: they need to learn to deal with it. Coaches need 110 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 2: to learn to figure it out. But I mean at 111 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 2: your own place of work, if you think that you're 112 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 2: better than a guy is making more money than you are, 113 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:31,039 Speaker 2: are you going to be happy about it? Right? Are you? 114 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 2: And most people would tell you like, I want the 115 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 2: company to be successful. I want, But in reality, any 116 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 2: group project you put in on, if you're making the 117 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 2: most money, you've got to do the most work. But 118 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 2: that doesn't always happen. I just we have thrown an 119 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 2: additional adult problem into a kid's game. And then you 120 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 2: throw in the idea that you can go and chase 121 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 2: something year after year like that's going to fix your problem. 122 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 2: Only makes it worse. I just fascinated by it. Mike 123 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:11,679 Speaker 2: Loxley like, I never would say that. Also, I don't 124 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 2: think it was true even in my first year. But 125 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 2: it's the thing that you worry about the most. Is 126 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:20,679 Speaker 2: am I going to lose the locker room and saying 127 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 2: you lost the locker room and saying it's because of 128 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 2: you know, guys worrying about what somebody else is getting paid, 129 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 2: or worried about where that what they can get paid elsewhere, 130 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 2: or I'm sure he's had guys shut it down like 131 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 2: that's the ultimate nightmare in college athletics and losing a 132 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 2: locker room has always been a part of a sport, 133 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 2: right You can. You can drop all the pretty plays, 134 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 2: you give, all the impassion speeches, but if they're not listening, 135 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 2: if they don't try and do what you want them 136 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 2: to do, all the preparation you have that doesn't actually matter. 137 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 2: And you know, I was hopped on a local show 138 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 2: here in Oklahoma City and I said, Hey, if we 139 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 2: you do a show in any college market in the country, 140 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 2: everyone's gonna say, man, we had a good year in 141 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 2: the portal. We got this guy, we got that guy. Now, 142 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 2: the difference in that and recruiting back ten years ago 143 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 2: is there was the assumption that if you get a 144 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 2: guy in recruiting, he's a freshman. Maybe he plays a 145 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 2: little bit. Maybe one freshman breaks through and plays a lot, 146 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 2: but for the most part, your expectations, especially in football, 147 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 2: are not great for freshmen in the portal. If you 148 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 2: get a guy and he's highly touted and he's in 149 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 2: the portal and you pay a bunch of money. He's 150 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 2: supposed to perform, and if he doesn't perform, it's gonna 151 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 2: be the coach's fault. It's gonna be that player's fault. 152 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 2: It's gonna be very different, and there's not the grace 153 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:50,079 Speaker 2: given as I think Mike Loxley smartly put like, I 154 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 2: don't know what we got. It's like I got twenty 155 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:57,719 Speaker 2: five practices. You really get fifteen padded practices before they 156 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 2: play a college football game. It's crazy. It's crazy, and 157 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 2: team sports don't operate in a quick bake oven, but 158 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 2: apparently they have to. And I I heard that sound 159 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 2: and I thought, yeah, it was pretty brave of Mike Loxley. 160 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 2: It does explain a lot for what happened to the Terps, 161 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 2: where generally he's a beloved guy that the players, you 162 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:23,559 Speaker 2: feel like, the players fight like hell for why did 163 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 2: that not happen last year? And it's a snapshot of 164 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 2: the challenges of this college landscape moving forward. Okay, coming 165 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 2: up next to the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox 166 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 2: Sports Radio. My good friend Mark Rodgers's been my partner 167 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 2: works in Oklahoma City, right we'll get Ben Bollen on 168 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 2: as well, but we'll get Mark Rogers on here and 169 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 2: we'll ask him. Okay, sec Ken Oklahoma one of his 170 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 2: historically great college football programs in the country. Can they 171 00:09:56,600 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 2: compete atop the SEC? Can they? I don't know the 172 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 2: answer to it. Maybe he does, Maybe he does. That's 173 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 2: upcoming next. But first, you know, I'm on the road 174 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 2: and all I can think of is home, right, not 175 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 2: just because my dogs are there, because my sleep number 176 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 2: is there. 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Listen to Over Promised 217 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 6: with Cavino and Rich on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts 218 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:15,679 Speaker 6: or wherever you get your podcasts. 219 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 2: Stug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Ben Vollen'll joined us 220 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 2: upcoming in ten minutes. We'll get his thoughts on training 221 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 2: camps as they open, figure out what the Bengers are 222 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 2: gonna do about Trey Hendrickson, if if Tyreek Hill can 223 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 2: make nice with to a tongue of lots of stuff 224 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 2: to get to. But first I want to welcome in 225 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 2: dear friend of mine and also a guy who's my 226 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:44,559 Speaker 2: original radio co host in Oklahma City, hosts his own 227 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 2: show in Oklahma City. He is the one and only 228 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 2: Mark Rogers, and Mark I brought you on because last year, 229 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 2: before the season began, I said, I thought Oklahoma was 230 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:57,439 Speaker 2: one of the most fascinating college twell programs in the country, 231 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 2: and people weren't really talking about because we talk about, 232 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:05,079 Speaker 2: you know, the top four or five teams. Right, but oh, 233 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 2: you has been historically unbelievably successful, not just in the 234 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:12,319 Speaker 2: Stoops era but also you kind of yeah and beyond. 235 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 2: But also you go back to when you know the 236 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 2: King fifties coach. Yeah, right, even go back to the fifties, right, 237 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 2: same thing. So my question is what's the state of 238 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 2: the state now for Oklahoma FOA. 239 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 3: I think they made some changes. 240 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:25,680 Speaker 7: They brought in Jim Naggy, who was the director of 241 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 7: the Senior Bowl and has all kinds of scouting contacts 242 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 7: that really helped them get Jade not who's one of 243 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 7: the two players that they have that are projected to 244 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 7: be on the All SEC first or second team. So 245 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 7: they've turned it around a little bit in dealing with 246 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 7: the new era of college football. 247 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 3: They're pretty talented. John Mattier is going to be a deal. 248 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 7: I mean he was a stud at Washington State with 249 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:46,719 Speaker 7: Ben Arbuckle in that offense. Last year they didn't have 250 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,319 Speaker 7: any direction on offense and it looked bad because they 251 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 7: had no wide receivers from week to week, shoddy offensive line, 252 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 7: and so now I think they've got a plan and 253 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 7: Matier is going to be really good. How does that 254 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 7: translate in the SEC, where basically every week is a 255 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 7: toss up. 256 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, but last year it was Jackson Arnold is gonna 257 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:07,679 Speaker 2: be the next right, yeah right? It lasted for not 258 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 2: that long two and a half weeks. 259 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 7: Well, but you can see they had nothing around him. 260 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 7: They had no wide receivers from week to week. If 261 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 7: you go at the beginning of the season the preseason 262 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 7: depth chart, I mean their best wide receiver was a 263 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 7: walk on from South Lake carol Why at times they 264 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 7: had no one play it was injuries, recruiting, I think 265 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 7: development on the offensive line was a concern. But they 266 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 7: went out and they've got two freshmen, one that was 267 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 7: a five star that they think will be rotational players 268 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 7: this year that can kind of grow along some older players. 269 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 7: They've got a starting left tackle that came in from 270 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 7: Western Carolina that they feel like will be in upgrade. 271 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 2: So it's one of say, and look, I'm smiling because 272 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 2: I'm living this life, right, And it's like, well, what 273 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 2: does he look like when he gets here? And there 274 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 2: is like Oklahoma playing the SEC is the absolute top 275 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 2: of college football, and so it's like, all right, he 276 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 2: see Western Carolina, he may be awesome, and maybe he's capable, 277 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 2: but in the SEC, he's going against a pro every 278 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 2: time he puts his hand down in the dirt. Correct. 279 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, what, there's other teams that are going through some 280 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 3: of the same type. 281 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 7: They're all going the same Alabama has a really good 282 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 7: offensive line. Texas A and M may have the best 283 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 7: offensive line in the SEC coming back. Oh, you's going 284 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 7: to present some problems to other teams on that side 285 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 7: of the football as well. 286 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 3: Now on defense, they got some dudes. 287 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 7: I mean, they've got guys that I think are going 288 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 7: to play on Sundays, which they haven't had. I mean, 289 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 7: if you go throughout the Bob Stoops tenure at Oklahoma, 290 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 7: there were some years that they had draft picks like 291 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 7: Ohio State has had in the last couple of years. Question, 292 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 7: they haven't had that recently. They just haven't had the talent. So, 293 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 7: I mean, can Matier be this type. 294 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 2: Of quarterback flux of funds? Is that how they did it? 295 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 3: Oh? 296 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 7: No, I think some is that they took them a 297 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 7: while to get things figured out. They weren't Texas Tech. 298 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 7: They didn't want to be. They thought that was kind 299 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 7: of considered cheating the way that that was done. They 300 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 7: didn't embrace paying players right away, So it took some time, 301 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 7: and I think Brent Ventables is learning as he goes along. 302 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 7: As a head coach. He loves coordinating defenses. That's what 303 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 7: he loves. He's gonna do it this year, but being 304 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 7: the head coach, he kind of have to take away 305 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 7: from that focus and be more of an administrator overall. 306 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 7: So the jury's still out on that. I mean, if 307 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 7: this year doesn't got to win, I think they want 308 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 7: to keep him. This is in a situation where they're, yeah, 309 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 7: we want to get rid of him because he's got 310 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 7: a pretty big buyout. 311 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 3: Of time, got it. 312 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 2: But you also have a new ad coming. 313 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, they need to he needs to win. 314 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 7: I think seven or there's gonna be a lot of 315 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 7: pressure on him because the hype, if you have a 316 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 7: chance to listen a rout here, the hype is building. 317 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 7: And I don't I'm not necessarily buying into the hype completely, 318 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 7: but the hype is building for them to have a 319 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 7: chance to compete, to be a factor in the SEC race. 320 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 2: I just I don't think. I don't maybe they don't care. 321 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 2: I don't think they understand the difference in the conference. 322 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 2: I just don't. I just think we're Oklahoma. We win 323 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 2: ten games a year, and that's that. And I'm not 324 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 2: going to say never, but the likelihood of winning ten games, 325 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 2: you'll have a year here or there. But it's so 326 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:06,360 Speaker 2: so difficult. 327 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 7: Their schedule last year featured Missouri and Old Miss in 328 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 7: years in which they may have had the best teams 329 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 7: at those schools in a long time. I think they 330 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 7: take a step back this year, and they're both in Norman, 331 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:17,919 Speaker 7: so you want to try to win those games. They 332 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:19,440 Speaker 7: beat Auburn on the road last year in a game 333 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 7: that could have gone either way. They played them at home, 334 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 7: so there's a shot for them to win a few 335 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 7: more than they did a year ago when they got six. 336 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:30,399 Speaker 7: They also now add in Michigan, Yes, which is going 337 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 7: to be a heck of a game the beginning of 338 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 7: the season. But Michigan's bring in a freshman quarterback in 339 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 7: against a good defense and rent vnable scheme defense, and 340 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 7: so people feel pretty good about that matchup, and the 341 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 7: line is moving OUs way in that one too. 342 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 2: It's it really is amazing, though, how everybody thinks they 343 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 2: know and you have no idea. Whereas for our entire lifetime, 344 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 2: our entire lifetime. You could. You couldn't say you can 345 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 2: pick what the schedule is. But when the schedule had 346 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 2: come out, you go like, ah, well they're gonna win 347 00:17:57,320 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 2: that one now and now and and that one. They 348 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 2: just got better players right now, you don't know. But 349 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 2: then you're in the sec when everybody thinks they got Blair. 350 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 3: It is OEU football. 351 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:06,400 Speaker 7: So even if he was three and nine last year, 352 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 7: everybody's gonna talk themselves into thinking it's a nine and 353 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 7: three or ten and two season. That's the way it 354 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 7: happens every year, no matter what happened the year before. 355 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 7: Was the way it was when they were down in 356 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:15,399 Speaker 7: the nineties when John Blake was the head coach. Oh well, 357 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:17,399 Speaker 7: we have talent, they're just gonna, you know, just some 358 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 7: bad breaks. And so they've been spoiled for a long 359 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 7: period of time. 360 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 3: Here. 361 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 2: What do you think why did the Big twelve turn 362 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 2: down Memphis? 363 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 7: Do you think it was that they didn't want to 364 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:30,439 Speaker 7: set the precedent of taking that kind of cash. 365 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:31,920 Speaker 3: I mean, you and. 366 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:37,879 Speaker 2: Mark acc did that for SMU right well, SMU you 367 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 2: say about being Bett, you Ormark. 368 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 3: You guys are good friends. 369 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 7: I think he's a great commissioner I mean one of 370 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:44,919 Speaker 7: the quotes that I saw, Yeah Who Sports had that 371 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 7: said we vetted them once, we're we're not coming back 372 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 7: just because they're going to commit two hundred million dollars. 373 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 7: So I think that that kind of spoke volumes. SMU 374 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 7: probably considers itself a little bit more of an elite 375 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:56,639 Speaker 7: school than Memphis. 376 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 2: No question they are, yeah, but it's it is about 377 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 2: their money, and Memphis does have some money. 378 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 7: You'd have to add another team. You can't have an 379 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:06,919 Speaker 7: odd number of football teams. You could do it in basketball, 380 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 7: but why can't shoot football you have you got to 381 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 7: have a team off every week. 382 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 2: I think it's got to be that they think the 383 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:15,120 Speaker 2: ACC is going to collapse. It's got to be right, 384 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 2: and you got to have it the proper number of seats. 385 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 2: You got to have a plan. I'm sure Florida State's 386 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 2: part of the plan, in Virginia Tech's part of the plan. 387 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:24,239 Speaker 2: And I don't know what else, because that makes sense, right, 388 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 2: you have Florida State and Virginia Tech, and now Central 389 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 2: Florida has a travel partner, and West Virginia has a 390 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 2: travel partner, and then you kind of figure figure out 391 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 2: the rest. 392 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:35,120 Speaker 7: I would think if the if the ACC would collapse, 393 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 7: that it would just be natural that Clemson and Florida 394 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 7: State would be in the SEC and you would have 395 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:42,439 Speaker 7: North Carolina Virginia go to the Big Ten. If they 396 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 7: want to add those teams, they could probably bring revenue 397 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 7: in that would help those leagues in TV. 398 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:47,639 Speaker 2: Feels like there's a plan. My thing is, it feels 399 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:50,639 Speaker 2: like there's a plan there that everybody else has that 400 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:52,919 Speaker 2: we don't know what the like like this is you 401 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 2: know how people say the NFL is scripted, Like there's 402 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 2: a script to this thing. Like you said, it makes 403 00:19:57,560 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 2: complete sense. North Carolina probably do cast to go to 404 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 2: the you guys to go with them to the Big Ten. 405 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:04,879 Speaker 7: Yeah, right, Well credits it to the Memphis president for 406 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:06,400 Speaker 7: coming up with this plan. I mean, that's a great 407 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,160 Speaker 7: idea and the people that were going to back it 408 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:13,160 Speaker 7: to bring relevance to that sports and athletic program the university. 409 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 3: That's a baller move to me. 410 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:16,639 Speaker 7: I don't know if I was a Big twelve, I 411 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 7: don't know all the details, but I probably would thought. 412 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 2: About, yeah, I'm two hundred million dollars or it was fifty, right, yeah, fifty. 413 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:25,680 Speaker 3: I think bread was coming up later on it said 414 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 3: two to fifty. 415 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:29,360 Speaker 2: That's a lot of it. That's a that's a that's 416 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:33,160 Speaker 2: a lot of money. Lastly, Mile Mote Oklahoma State. Yeah, 417 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 2: sixty five new guys. 418 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 3: It's more than that. 419 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 7: There are players that I think can start on that 420 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:41,679 Speaker 7: team that have not practiced for Oklahoma State and official 421 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 7: capacity that they came in after spring. 422 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 3: But the boys from Oklahoma Concert gave him some money. 423 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 7: I mean, they've been able to spread some money out 424 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 7: there and find some guys from They took advantage of 425 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,360 Speaker 7: the fact that SEC would not accept SEC transfers after 426 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 7: the spring portal, and they've got some players from the 427 00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,639 Speaker 7: SEC that have come in. And I think Mike Gundy 428 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 7: staff is really rejuvenated. They had been complacent for a 429 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 7: while and so they're working harder than they have in 430 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 7: a long time. They're schedule at the beginning of the season. 431 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 7: They got three out of four of their games in 432 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 7: the Big Twelve at home they go to Arizona. Those 433 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 7: are games that they need to win because it gets 434 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 7: tougher on the back end. But Mike Gundy has had 435 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 7: two losing seasons at Oklahoma State, his first in his last. 436 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,920 Speaker 7: He's always better when he's not expected to do well, 437 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 7: and so I think they're gonna five and a half 438 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 7: sir Win total. 439 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 3: I think they go over that. 440 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 2: He's Mark Rogers, he's my dear friend, my former radio 441 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 2: co host, and of course you can hear him in 442 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 2: Oklahoma City. Thanks so much, Mark. Let me get you 443 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 2: to Isaac long Crime and get a quick update before 444 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 2: we touch some NFL football. Ilo. 445 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 8: Thanks Doug. Today, Miami Dolphins quarterback to a tongue of 446 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 8: ilo and described our receiver Tyreek Hill is working to 447 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 8: rebuild relationships with his teammates after critical comments that he'll 448 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 8: made at the end of last season. 449 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 9: When you say something like that, you don't just come 450 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,640 Speaker 9: back from that with ay, my bad. No, you got 451 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:56,639 Speaker 9: to work that relationship up. You got to build everything 452 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 9: up again. And it's still a work in progress, not 453 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 9: just for me, but for everybody. He's working on himself. 454 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 9: He's working on the things that he say. You know, 455 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 9: he says he wants to get better with That's the 456 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:07,399 Speaker 9: first step to me, and so I commend him for 457 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 9: doing that. 458 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 8: Meanwhile, NFL media reported Dolphins cornerback Already Burns is feared 459 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 8: to have suffered a torn acl today at practice. In 460 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 8: Major League Baseball today, Rafael Devers hit two home runs 461 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,120 Speaker 8: of the San Francisco Giants nine to three victory at Atlanta, 462 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 8: as Justin Verlander at long last, got his first victory 463 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 8: of the season after starting n eight. Cincinnati wanted Washington 464 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,680 Speaker 8: five nothing. The Reds Nick Lodolo a complete game, four 465 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,919 Speaker 8: hit shutout with eight strikeouts and no walks, pirates over 466 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 8: the Tigers six to one. Mind the Spencer Horwitz Grand 467 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 8: Slam right now, the Mets on top of the Angels 468 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 8: six to three. Top of the eighth, Kansas City of 469 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 8: four to two lead over the Cubs after four at 470 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 8: Wrigley and at Corsfield, the Rockies and Cardinals just underway, 471 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 8: no score in the top of the second. 472 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 2: Doug stug Ott Leap Show, Fox Sports Radio. All right, 473 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 2: we turned from college football. Let's talk to some NFL football. 474 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 2: Shall we as our good fight? Ben Bolden joins us 475 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:05,919 Speaker 2: senior NFL writer for the Boston Globe, And Ben, let's 476 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,159 Speaker 2: let's start with the Patriots, A team that when you 477 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 2: and I first met that so you were covering for 478 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 2: the Globe and then of course has expanded now the 479 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 2: entire National Football League. Uh, they go out and get 480 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 2: a head coach that I think everybody respects. But what 481 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:23,479 Speaker 2: is the right what's the right perception to have of 482 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 2: where this franchise is in terms of their level of 483 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 2: competitiveness in that AFC East. 484 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,680 Speaker 10: Yeah, I think the Patriots entered the season with credibility, 485 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:34,880 Speaker 10: and it's been a few years since you've been able 486 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 10: to say that about this team. For the first time 487 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 10: in several years. There's not anything about this team that 488 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,919 Speaker 10: really leaves you scratching your head. Like one year it 489 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 10: was they put Matt Patricia and Joe Judge in charge 490 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,360 Speaker 10: of the offense, and then the other years they did 491 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 10: nothing to the roster, even though they had significant issues. 492 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 10: Last year they put your Odd Mayo in charge of 493 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,920 Speaker 10: the team even though he had no experience. This year, 494 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,679 Speaker 10: everything makes sense. You can see the player and how 495 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:04,360 Speaker 10: it's gonna unfold. They've got a very experienced coaching staff, 496 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:08,920 Speaker 10: a competent coaching staff led by Mike Vrabel, Josh McDaniels. 497 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 10: They have several guys who have been head coaches, like 498 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,880 Speaker 10: Doug maroone Thomas Brown who was with the Bears last year. 499 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 10: So they have a very experienced staff, guys who have 500 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 10: done their Roles before. They have a young quarterback in 501 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,919 Speaker 10: Drake May who does have a lot to prove, but 502 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 10: I think last year showed that he's he's a good athlete, 503 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 10: he can he definitely belongs in the NFL. And the 504 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 10: Patriots have a I think a good young quarterback and 505 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 10: then they went out in free agency and spent a 506 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 10: lot of money on quality players like Milton Williams from 507 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 10: the Eagles, Stefan Diggs coming back from his torn ACL 508 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 10: They beat up the offensive line, so you know, I 509 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,399 Speaker 10: still think their ceiling is kind of limited. This is 510 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,399 Speaker 10: probably a team that, if everything goes their way, that 511 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 10: you know, probably a ten and seventeam. But there's just 512 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,199 Speaker 10: there's so much more competent and you can see the 513 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:59,119 Speaker 10: plan now, and you know, the signs are are finally 514 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:03,120 Speaker 10: pointing up in fi Borough after several head scratching years here. 515 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 2: Uh Tua talked about Tyreek Hill kind of making amends 516 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 2: with teammates. That sounds good, but those quotes kind of 517 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:20,640 Speaker 2: lived forever. What's the likelihood that it becomes Kumbai in Miami? 518 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 10: I don't think very good. I think the owner really 519 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 10: should have taken a harder look about making a you know, 520 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 10: a total reset this offseason with head coach Mike mctaniel 521 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:35,200 Speaker 10: and GM Chris Greer. That culture is a mess you had. 522 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 10: I think it was Bradley Chubb a few weeks ago 523 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,200 Speaker 10: was talking about, yeah, you know, we're all in this year. 524 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 10: You know, we said that last year, but we were lying, 525 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:45,639 Speaker 10: you know, we were we were just giving you lip service. 526 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:47,920 Speaker 10: It's like, well, that's not that's not a good sign. 527 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 10: That's not certainly not good for the coach that his 528 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 10: players are just giving lip service about being all in. 529 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,679 Speaker 10: And when when you have a team led by when 530 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,120 Speaker 10: Tyreek kill is one of your leaders, like that's never 531 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 10: been I don't think his strong suit lead by example. 532 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 10: And I saw today Tua had a quote that said 533 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 10: his relationship with Tyreek Hill is still a work in progress, 534 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,160 Speaker 10: which is like wow, I mean they've been together three 535 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 10: years now, four years, Like how how could it possibly 536 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 10: still be a work in progress. So there's I just 537 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,639 Speaker 10: think there's a lot of dysfunction in Miami right now 538 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 10: that that team hasn't been very disciplined. They never win 539 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 10: in December, they never win cold weather games, they never 540 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,880 Speaker 10: beat playoff teams, and Mike McDaniel's just I don't think 541 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 10: been able to instill much discipline in that locker room. 542 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 10: So you know, with Tyreek Hill, he's saying all the 543 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 10: right things now, but we've we've heard that from the 544 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 10: Dolphins before. This is a team that if they don't 545 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 10: have a good start, things could implode very quickly down 546 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 10: to Miami. 547 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,159 Speaker 2: Since does that Trey Hendrickson. They also don't have their 548 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:48,640 Speaker 2: first round pick. You know, the what ends up happening 549 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 2: with the Bengals, I. 550 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 10: Mean, I think both get resolved eventually, but it's like 551 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:58,119 Speaker 10: this franchise continues to break new ground in dysfunction. I mean, 552 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:02,639 Speaker 10: the whole purpose of this was to avoid you know, 553 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 10: player holdouts, but like count on the Bengals, they managed 554 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 10: to get it done with Shamar Stewart, who just wants 555 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,880 Speaker 10: to sign the same contract that the Bengals have signed 556 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 10: every other draft pick over the years too. But the 557 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 10: Bengals are the ones insisting on changing the language, and 558 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,440 Speaker 10: they're they're holding firm, and so is Shamar Stewart. And 559 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 10: I think Stuart would be crazy to like continue holding 560 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,639 Speaker 10: out much longer. He probably just has to bite his 561 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 10: lip and accept it. But the Bengals always play hardball. 562 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 10: Always seemed to kick off their players. They did it 563 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 10: last year with Chase and t Higgins. They played hardball 564 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 10: with them, didn't give them the contracts that those guys deserve. 565 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,639 Speaker 10: It's spoiled training camp for them. The Bengals started the 566 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,439 Speaker 10: season like oh and two, one and four whatever it was. 567 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 10: They lost to the Patriots which cost them the playoffs, 568 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 10: and now here they are again with Trey Hendrickson and 569 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:55,399 Speaker 10: Shamar Stewart doing the same thing, and Mike Brown, the owner, 570 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 10: is talking to the press and just totally blaming the 571 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,199 Speaker 10: agents and putting all the onus on the players side. 572 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,359 Speaker 10: So you know, it's just classic Bengals, the team where 573 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 10: Carson Palmer threatened to retire he did retire instead of 574 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 10: continuing to play for them. They're up to it again 575 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 10: now with these contraction inigans, and it'll eventually get resolved. 576 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,439 Speaker 10: I don't think Trey Hendrickson will get traded, but the 577 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,879 Speaker 10: Bengals are just always causing problems with their players. 578 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,159 Speaker 2: Is this the year that the league catches up to 579 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 2: the Chiefs. 580 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 10: No, I don't think so. I'd be worried that the 581 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 10: Chiefs got humiliated in the Super Bowl, And now you know, 582 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,360 Speaker 10: I think they're going to beef up their offensive line, 583 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 10: They're going to try to get more weapons for Patrick Mahomes. 584 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 10: I think it might be the opposite. I'd be afraid 585 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 10: of the Chiefs coming back with a vengeance. Now, you know, 586 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 10: Travis Kelce is, you know, starting to get to the 587 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 10: end of his career, and he's been such a big 588 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 10: part of that dynasty. You know, we'll see if they 589 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 10: can kind of continue to be such a dominant team 590 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 10: without him. But when you've got Mahomes and you've got 591 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 10: Andy Reid and you still have Steve Spagnola running the defense, 592 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 10: I'm sorry the Chiefs aren't going anywhere this year. There's 593 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 10: still going to be a wagon. And I'd be afraid 594 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 10: that they got us humiliated so badly in the Super 595 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 10: Bowl that they address their needs in the offseason and 596 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 10: they're going to come back with vengeance this year. 597 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 2: Ben Johnson said that he wants Caleb Williams to complete 598 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 2: seventy percent of his passes. Now that sounds great, sounds great. 599 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 2: It does sound like dink and dunk, And last year 600 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 2: he didn't throw the ball downfield almost at all, And 601 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,959 Speaker 2: it feels like, you know, sometimes in order to get 602 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 2: to that seventy percent, you're going to hold on the 603 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 2: ball and eat the ball instead of run the risk 604 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 2: of throwing incomplete passes. What's your thoughts on a first 605 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 2: time head coach talking about completion percentages so openly. 606 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,479 Speaker 10: Yeah, I couldn't agree with you more. I think it's 607 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 10: one of the most overrated stats that a quarterback can have, because, yeah, 608 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 10: is it just a bunch of screen passes and dink 609 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,720 Speaker 10: and dunk. Like, I don't care if you're completing seventy 610 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 10: percent of passes, if you're not pushing the ball down 611 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 10: the field, tell me what his yards per a tenth are. 612 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 10: That's to me the real stat how often are you 613 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 10: getting the ball downfield and creating big plays in the 614 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 10: passing game? And you know, I think raining Caleb Williams 615 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 10: in is an important function for Ben Johnson because I 616 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 10: think Caleb Williams likes to take too many chances and 617 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 10: throws off platform and he gets himself in trouble sometimes, 618 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,959 Speaker 10: so it is good to rain him in and focus 619 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 10: maybe on safer throws. But I really, you know, seventy percent, great, 620 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 10: whoop do do? But all that really matters is are 621 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 10: you getting the ball downfield? And so you know that's 622 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 10: going to be the real key for Caleb Williams. Not 623 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 10: as he completing passes, but are they putting points on 624 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 10: the board, and I mean seventy four thousand yards those 625 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 10: are all benchmarks that no Bears quarterback has ever sniffed. 626 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 10: So it would be a record setting year for the 627 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 10: Bears if Caleb Williams can get there. And he's got 628 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 10: the talent. But after that rookie year, I mean, I 629 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 10: think he's got a ways to go behind Drake May 630 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 10: and obviously behind Jayden Daniels for Kayleb Williams to prove 631 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 10: that he belongs in the NFL. 632 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 2: Okay, let me ask you a question that some Packer 633 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 2: fans ask me. How good actually is Jordan Lovey? 634 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 10: You know, I think he's good enough that the Packers 635 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 10: are ready to make some noise. He's made the playoffs 636 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 10: both of his years. He had a nice little run 637 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 10: two years ago. You know, want a road playoff game 638 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 10: or two. So I think Jordan love is the answer 639 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 10: for the Packers. He can, I mean, this guy can 640 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 10: light it up, you know, in the great tradition of 641 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 10: Packers quarterbacks. I think this is this is gonna be 642 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 10: a good I sense this being the year you know 643 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 10: for the Packers. I don't know how deep they ultimately get, 644 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 10: but like I could see Detroit taking a step back 645 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 10: with all the changes they made in our coaching staff, 646 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 10: especially an offense. You know, the Vikings will see what 647 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 10: they are. I love Kevin O'Connell as a coach, but 648 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 10: now that they're turning the team over to JJ McCarthy, 649 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 10: they're kind of an unknown. Whereas Jordan Love, now this 650 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 10: is his third year answering as the starting quarterback, him 651 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 10: and Matt Lafleur, I got to think are on a 652 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 10: pretty good page. Yeah, maybe he throws a few too 653 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 10: many interceptions, but Jordan Love I think has really developed 654 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 10: into a nice passer. And with where the Packers are 655 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 10: as an organization compared to everyone else in their vision, 656 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 10: I think this could be a good year for the 657 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 10: Packers coming up. 658 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 2: Who are we not talking about that we should be 659 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 2: in terms of this is a playoff team, This is 660 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 2: a I don't know, you want to say Super Bowl contender. 661 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 2: Like we always hyper focus on a couple of teams. 662 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 2: Cowboys are example of we always hyper focus on them, right, 663 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 2: We hyper focus on teams who are at the top 664 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 2: last year, and the Chiefs I think deserve that focus 665 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,240 Speaker 2: because the consistency of success. Who are we not focusing 666 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 2: on enough? 667 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 10: So I really like the Rams this year. Even though 668 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 10: Matthew Stafford is like the oldest thirty seven year old 669 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 10: on the planet, I still think he's top eight NFL 670 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 10: quarterback McVeigh the heck of a coach. These young guys 671 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 10: like Jared Vers on defense or a year older now. 672 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 10: So I really like the Rams year. And honestly, if 673 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 10: it wasn't snowing in that playoff game against the Eagle, 674 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 10: if I think the Rams may have won that game. 675 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 10: So I do like the Rams. In the NFC AFC, 676 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:12,960 Speaker 10: it does kind of feel like the Ravens like they're due. 677 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 10: I mean, people are talking about the Ravens, so they're 678 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 10: not under the radar. The two teams in the AFC West, 679 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 10: the Chargers year two under Harbaugh and the Broncos year 680 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 10: three under Sean Payton. But that's a loaded division and 681 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,840 Speaker 10: the Broncos, you know, bo Nick had a great rookie year. 682 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 10: Now you know he's going to be a year more 683 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 10: into it. Sean Payton proving once again he's just an 684 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 10: incredible offensive mind and quarterback Hootor. The Broncos have an 685 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,960 Speaker 10: outstanding defense, one of the best in the league. I 686 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 10: think the Denver Broncos are definitely you know, they're a 687 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 10: team that's been kind of dormant the last half decade 688 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 10: or so. Haven't heard much from the Broncos, but I 689 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 10: think Sean Payton's team is going to be a real 690 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 10: problem and make some noise here. In twenty twenty five. 691 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 2: Ben Bolan Boston Globe covers the entire Nation Football League 692 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 2: and he joins us on a weekly basis. Ben, good 693 00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 2: to have you back. Thanks so much for joining us. 694 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 2: All Right, that's Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. 695 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 2: H Let's uh. For forty years, Tyrak has been helping 696 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 2: customers find the right tires for how what where they drive, 697 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,480 Speaker 2: ship fast and free back by free road ass protection 698 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 2: with comedian selation options like mobile tire installation, tyre dot 699 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:20,239 Speaker 2: Com the way tire buying should be. It's now time 700 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 2: for our tyrack play today care the Mariners Radio Network. 701 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 1: There comes to two two swung on blasted lift off 702 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:28,360 Speaker 1: right field. 703 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,399 Speaker 3: This one is gonna go. 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What's worse? 711 00:34:58,400 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 2: You'll find out on The Doug Gottlieb Show. 712 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,439 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug 713 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:06,400 Speaker 1: Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on 714 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,320 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. 715 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 2: It's the Doug Gottlieb Show. Fox Sports Radio, still honoring 716 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:21,000 Speaker 2: obviously the legend. Oh hey, Allsey Osborne. Do your summer 717 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,319 Speaker 2: plans include a new job? 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Let's get to a game with ISAs lowcront. 722 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:43,920 Speaker 1: This is game time game on The Doug Gottlieb Show. 723 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:48,040 Speaker 2: Isilo what you got? 724 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:53,520 Speaker 8: I'm gonna give you two choices today for better or worse? 725 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,880 Speaker 8: All right, which of the following teams is going to 726 00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 8: have the better football season in twenty twenty Bill Belichick's 727 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,440 Speaker 8: former team, Thank you, Bill Belichick's former team, the New 728 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:14,760 Speaker 8: England Patriots, or his current team, the North Carolina tar Heels. 729 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,720 Speaker 2: God, I so don't know anything about North North Carolina 730 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:23,520 Speaker 2: tar Hills because so much is new there. 731 00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:28,240 Speaker 6: We're talking about like a overall res in a bull 732 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,440 Speaker 6: trip to the Mnikey car Careball's. 733 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,040 Speaker 8: Who's gonna have the better season record wise? 734 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:40,000 Speaker 2: TCU. Then they go to Charlotte the forty nine at 735 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:44,120 Speaker 2: Central Florida. That's Charlotte Clemson, Yeah, forty nine ers. Yeah 736 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:48,240 Speaker 2: at cal Virginia. I'm gonna say North Carolina. 737 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:52,080 Speaker 8: Okay, I don't know. I agree, I agree with that, 738 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:57,360 Speaker 8: all right. This also involves North Carolina. So the Hard 739 00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,960 Speaker 8: Knocks team for training camp the year in the NFL 740 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:06,280 Speaker 8: is the Buffalo Bills. It could have been the North 741 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:10,279 Speaker 8: Carolina tar Heels, but that fell through as we've detailed, 742 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:15,160 Speaker 8: and now a similar show will be produced by Hulu 743 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,160 Speaker 8: Zulu one of the streaming companies that I'm gonna. 744 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,080 Speaker 2: Have to get to. I have Zulu on my on 745 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:21,359 Speaker 2: my phone. It's a great show. 746 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,399 Speaker 8: Yeah, I'll have to get your password for that too. 747 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,000 Speaker 8: So better or worse? Which is going to be the 748 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:30,800 Speaker 8: better show Hard Knocks, Buffalo Bills or the North Carolina 749 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,000 Speaker 8: Tario show though Hard Knocks Okay really. 750 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, because there's gonna be so many things you can't 751 00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,719 Speaker 2: show with the Carolina. With Carolina, what. 752 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:44,200 Speaker 8: Do you mean by that you think that they might? 753 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:45,600 Speaker 8: We're not talking about that. 754 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,560 Speaker 1: How did you guys meet? 755 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:55,080 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, she sounds lovely. By the way, she sounds lovely. 756 00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,320 Speaker 8: My bivacious personality. 757 00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:00,000 Speaker 2: Do we think they met? 758 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,759 Speaker 8: I mean I I am willing on a plan. 759 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:09,040 Speaker 2: I'm willing June June December tender that I'm not aware 760 00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,360 Speaker 2: of June December. 761 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:15,160 Speaker 8: Is that like a coy euphemism for different ages? Yes, 762 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:20,120 Speaker 8: you know, there probably is. I've never heard of it. 763 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:22,000 Speaker 2: Maybe February December. 764 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:28,399 Speaker 8: Now, isn't there like this really secret uh dating site 765 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:35,920 Speaker 8: for like really successful like riyah Rayah, Okay, Rayah dating app? Okay, 766 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,439 Speaker 8: that's very interesting Rayah. All right? 767 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,239 Speaker 2: Uh yeah, no, I'm will I'm not. No, I have 768 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,960 Speaker 2: never been. Uh, but I I have plenty of friends 769 00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,600 Speaker 2: and I have friends who are like, hey, let me 770 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,080 Speaker 2: just just use like your your name, and I could 771 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,520 Speaker 2: I could get on Ryah that way, like no, no. 772 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,520 Speaker 8: So what has their experience been with RAYA just out 773 00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:58,719 Speaker 8: of curiosity. 774 00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:03,320 Speaker 2: Mixed but generally, you know, I think I think it's again, 775 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,520 Speaker 2: this is all second and third hand. If you're on 776 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,040 Speaker 2: ray you can search. I'm not on it, ever been 777 00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:15,680 Speaker 2: on it. I think it's seemingly become a little watered down. 778 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,920 Speaker 8: Interesting, Okay, because I thought that there was. 779 00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:22,000 Speaker 2: A time it was like, well, there was a time 780 00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,600 Speaker 2: in which it was like, you know, the Krem Day, 781 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:26,680 Speaker 2: like Krem It's like, how does Tom Brady ask a 782 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:28,839 Speaker 2: check out? I'm Tom Brady? But you know what I mean, Right, 783 00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,839 Speaker 2: I don't think it's that anymore. Okay, fascinating, and there 784 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,399 Speaker 2: may be something else. So this is the last time 785 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,160 Speaker 2: I heard somebody talk about was six months ago? 786 00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:37,879 Speaker 3: Anything else? 787 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,400 Speaker 8: Yeah? Sorry, Bill, We'll get you outside him wake up, 788 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:45,120 Speaker 8: all right, horning in on everything around your Belichick, get 789 00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,760 Speaker 8: back to your coaching your team, all right, I'm gonna 790 00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,800 Speaker 8: get you in big trouble here. So I am sorry, 791 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:55,239 Speaker 8: not sorry, But you're obviously broadcasting from beautiful Oklahoma City 792 00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:58,960 Speaker 8: today where it sounds like it's a lovely day, beautiful. Yes, 793 00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:00,000 Speaker 8: what's the stickiness level? 794 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:00,920 Speaker 3: Sorry to jump in. 795 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,560 Speaker 2: It's a little sticky, but it's like it's like barely 796 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:07,319 Speaker 2: ninety and a little sticky, barely ninety. No, I mean 797 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:11,360 Speaker 2: like if summer's supposed to be hot, I I I actually, 798 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:13,520 Speaker 2: you know, when I was in California, I missed the 799 00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,799 Speaker 2: heat of summer, like it's supposed to feel different than 800 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:16,439 Speaker 2: the rest of the year. 801 00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,040 Speaker 8: All right, So I'm gonna get you in trouble. 802 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,879 Speaker 2: One where there is coming right now. It's really nice. 803 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:22,440 Speaker 8: It sounds sounded like that I could. 804 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,600 Speaker 2: Hear the bird Tipsy Tacos by the way. 805 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,440 Speaker 8: Okay, well that that my buddy rich ones. If that 806 00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,240 Speaker 8: plays into what I'm about to ask you, which city 807 00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:37,560 Speaker 8: has the better food? Oklahoma City or Green Bay? Like 808 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:38,920 Speaker 8: I said, you're gonna get somebody. 809 00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,319 Speaker 2: So Oklahoma City, I think was voted number one place 810 00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,000 Speaker 2: to live. But US News and World Report. 811 00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,480 Speaker 8: Okay, but it just came out just in terms of food. 812 00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:48,320 Speaker 2: Oklahoma City does. It's it's much bigger. It's much bigger, 813 00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,880 Speaker 2: much bigger. I could I could go through a laundry 814 00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:56,920 Speaker 2: list of places I love to eat in in Green Bay, Oklahoma, 815 00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:00,839 Speaker 2: city is like ten times the size of it. And 816 00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:04,560 Speaker 2: it's culinary wise, it's it's gotten a lot better, a 817 00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,440 Speaker 2: lot better, a lot. 818 00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:10,880 Speaker 8: Better, very good. Just one more thing, would you mind 819 00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:16,160 Speaker 8: h overnighting? Uh the angle steak tacos from Tipsy Taco 820 00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:20,160 Speaker 8: to the rest of us here, and and also something 821 00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:21,520 Speaker 8: from the Tipsy Tiki Bar. 822 00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:26,120 Speaker 2: Perhaps I'm at the Tipsie the the Tiki bar, so 823 00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:27,800 Speaker 2: there's outside. 824 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:29,160 Speaker 8: All right, Well, this. 825 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:30,759 Speaker 2: Is great, like we should do the show here all 826 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:32,560 Speaker 2: the time. We said the whole show out here. It's 827 00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:33,640 Speaker 2: a whold network out here. 828 00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:36,040 Speaker 8: All right. Hey, as long as we'll get reimbursed for 829 00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,480 Speaker 8: our travel back and forth there, and that is that's 830 00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:40,160 Speaker 8: not happened, for better or worse, I know. 831 00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,640 Speaker 1: Is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show. 832 00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:48,480 Speaker 2: Okay, coming up next to the Doug Gotlific Show. We'll 833 00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:50,080 Speaker 2: get you back to sports, but we're gonna have the 834 00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,480 Speaker 2: Ultimate Coffee Discussion as part of the midway. You don't 835 00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,120 Speaker 2: want to miss. It's next to the Doug Gotleib Show.