Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2: Hey you welcome to Weird House Cinema.
Speaker 3: This is Rob Lamb and this is Joe McCormick. And
Speaker 3: today it's all Time Cops. It's not the movie Time Cop,
Speaker 3: it's another Time Cop movie. This is one where you know,
Speaker 3: there are different ways you get into a piece of
Speaker 3: B cinema. Sometimes you watch a trailer and it really
Speaker 3: grabs you. Sometimes you just hear the pitch and it
Speaker 3: gets the hooks in. But for me, this movie transfers
Speaker 3: to the Return of Jack Death. It lured me in
Speaker 3: with one of the best B movie posters I've ever seen.
Speaker 3: I can't remember how I first came across this. How
Speaker 3: did we get started on the transfer train? You were
Speaker 3: talking about transfers and then I found this poster.
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, a couple of things came together. I
Speaker 2: think I got a preview of a Full Moon Entertainment
Speaker 2: streaming channel in order to watch shock Waves, and then
Speaker 2: forgot to unsubscribe, and you know, so I had it
Speaker 2: for a month, and then we were talking about Full
Speaker 2: Moon Entertainment and the question was raised, I think by
Speaker 2: Seth are all the films in the Full Moon Entertainment
Speaker 2: Catalog or they are they all essentially Evil Bong and
Speaker 2: Ginger dead Man. And I was like, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: you know there's some early stuff. I think there's some
Speaker 2: good stuff in there, maybe the Transfer movies. I haven't
Speaker 2: seen them yet. And then the next thing I knew,
Speaker 2: I had a bout of insomnia. So I fired up
Speaker 2: Transfers one and started watching it.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's right. So you were talking about Transfers one
Speaker 3: and you were pitching me on the concept, which which
Speaker 3: sounded quite enticing, sort of similar. It sounded like a
Speaker 3: cross between Time Coop and there's a series of video games.
Speaker 3: I've never played one, but the games are called Assassin's
Speaker 3: Creed and the premise of them is that you don't physically,
Speaker 3: in your body go back in time, but you can
Speaker 3: send your mind back in time to inhabit the body
Speaker 3: of one of your ancestors. Is that right?
Speaker 2: I think that's how it works. Yeah. I'm not really
Speaker 2: versed in those games.
Speaker 3: Either, Okay, And so that's one of the basic plot
Speaker 3: mechanics of Trancers, right, that it has a drug based
Speaker 3: time travel mechanism where you can send your brain, or
Speaker 3: at least your consciousness back into the body of one
Speaker 3: of your long dead relatives.
Speaker 2: Correct. Yeah, Roughly speaking, if we're going to lean into
Speaker 2: what's going on, there are seemingly two methods of time
Speaker 2: travel in the film. There's the genetic ancestral drug technique
Speaker 2: to move consciousness and a physical time travel technique with
Speaker 2: severe limitation. So there is a continuation or survival of
Speaker 2: consciousness in these films akin to reincarnation, as well as
Speaker 2: a consciousness based model of time. And it seemed to
Speaker 2: indicate that time is largely an illusion created by conscious
Speaker 2: and can be manipulated through pharmacology and manipulated to such
Speaker 2: a degree that then physical time travel is possible as well.
Speaker 3: That's right. Transfers too gets deep. This is I remember
Speaker 3: when I first signed up for Netflix many many years ago.
Speaker 3: It was interesting because, like, you would tell it what
Speaker 3: movies you liked, and then it would start suggesting its own,
Speaker 3: Like Netflix curated thematic subgenres for you. And I remember
Speaker 3: one of the little categories that curated for me based
Speaker 3: on the movies that I had liked previously was mind
Speaker 3: bending thrillers. And so I think this is technically a
Speaker 3: mind bending thriller.
Speaker 2: Yes, it bends the mind.
Speaker 3: It's a little bit. Yeah, it bends it in multiple directions.
Speaker 3: But I got to come back to this poster. So
Speaker 3: you were telling me about trancers, and then I looked
Speaker 3: up the poster but ended up seeing the poster for
Speaker 3: transfers to the Return of Jack Death. This thing is beautiful.
Speaker 3: It belongs in the Eufisia. It's so it's got a
Speaker 3: painting of the main guy in the movie. But I
Speaker 3: was not familiar with this guy. I guess his name
Speaker 3: is Jack Death, right like mega death, not like the
Speaker 3: actual word death. And then the painting he looks like
Speaker 3: Elaine's boss from Seinfeld, you know, the guy with the
Speaker 3: like very smooth, slickback white hair and the dark eyebrows,
Speaker 3: and he's looking kind of like Sam the Eagle, looking
Speaker 3: kind of stern and handsome with a strong jawline. But
Speaker 3: he's got a long coat on. It's almost like, you know,
Speaker 3: he's like a flasher creep, but inside the coat it's
Speaker 3: not his body. It's like a galaxy full of stars.
Speaker 3: And then there are a couple of people standing with him,
Speaker 3: two women each holding guns. One of them is Helen Hunt,
Speaker 3: kind of smiling in a mild way, holding a shotgun
Speaker 3: and wearing the mom jean'siest mom jeans that have ever
Speaker 3: been created. Oh and they're also like standing on the
Speaker 3: surface of Mars, which doesn't correlate to anything that happened
Speaker 3: in the movie. Right. Do you know why in this
Speaker 3: poster Jack Death has a galaxy inside his coat?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, there's nothing in the film to indicate
Speaker 2: why this would be, but I guess if we lean
Speaker 2: into it, he's a you know, he's from the future,
Speaker 2: so he is. He has a sci fi nature to him.
Speaker 2: And if you can, I don't know, you're spending time
Speaker 2: and space. That's about as much as I can come
Speaker 2: up with.
Speaker 3: Okay, So I guess one thing we should acknowledge is
Speaker 3: that this is yet another episode where we're covering a
Speaker 3: sequel without having covered the original film. And I think, Rob,
Speaker 3: you're going to sort of do recap duty for us, Yeah,
Speaker 3: to tell us about the first Transfers movie. But we
Speaker 3: do not apologize for doing this. In fact, I think
Speaker 3: some of my favorite episodes of Weird House Cinema have
Speaker 3: been where we covered a sequel without covering the original.
Speaker 3: I don't know why that often works out so well.
Speaker 3: Something about it is kind of liberating, But I feel
Speaker 3: like it's something we're going to keep doing, and we
Speaker 3: maybe even need like a dedicated word for like the
Speaker 3: seq velocity episodes.
Speaker 2: Or yeah, because I think one of the reasons that
Speaker 2: it works is that when you're dealing with sequels, especially
Speaker 2: sequels of this caliber, you know, in sequels of genre films,
Speaker 2: there are at least one of two things are likely
Speaker 2: to be happening here. So on one level, a sequel
Speaker 2: is a chance to move beyond the establishing setting and
Speaker 2: origin stories and get into the meat of a new,
Speaker 2: fresh story, provided, however, that you don't have to then
Speaker 2: reset heaven and Earth to make a sequel work. So
Speaker 2: I would say that a great example of this is
Speaker 2: Blade two, where Giama do Toro did not have to
Speaker 2: deal with any of like the origin story of Blade
Speaker 2: for the most part, and just got to get into
Speaker 2: just run right into a new adventure with only minor resetting.
Speaker 3: It's kind of like getting to start a movie in
Speaker 3: the second act.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Probably, I love this film, obviously, But a bad
Speaker 2: example of this would be Highlander two, where everything was
Speaker 2: wrapped up in Highlander one, so in order to do
Speaker 2: a equal they really had to reset having an Earth
Speaker 2: and inject a whole bunch of new material.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there are a lot of sequels that have to
Speaker 3: essentially undo the previous film in some way in order
Speaker 3: to exist, and on certain occasions that can be a
Speaker 3: kind of like bold and gutsy and admirable move. This
Speaker 3: is a widely hated movie, but one one that does
Speaker 3: this in a way that I think could have been
Speaker 3: great is Alien three. Alien three. I mean, I guess
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna spoil anything for a movie that's been
Speaker 3: out this long. Alien three begins by killing most of
Speaker 3: the characters that survived Aliens. Yeah, and and love characters, yeah,
Speaker 3: beloved characters that all die right at the beginning, actually
Speaker 3: off screen. It's just like it happens in between the films,
Speaker 3: and a lot of people like this, but something about
Speaker 3: me always kind of appreciated like this could be the
Speaker 3: setup to a real powerful gut punch of a third
Speaker 3: Alien movie. Unfortunately, Alien three is it's one of those
Speaker 3: movies that is it's hard to say it's bad because
Speaker 3: I think it's essentially an unf finished film. We don't
Speaker 3: we didn't ever get to see what Alien three would
Speaker 3: have been.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so so many great aspects to it, I mean,
Speaker 2: has a wonderful cast.
Speaker 3: Pete Posselway, Charles S. Dutton. Yeah, it's got an amazing cast.
Speaker 2: And Dance as a oh arly likable human being, which
Speaker 2: or at least a more relatable human being than he
Speaker 2: tends to play. I don't I don't remember all the
Speaker 2: wrinkles in his character, but he wasn't a complete bastard desire.
Speaker 3: Call Charles Dance is just wonderful. Yeah, it has a
Speaker 3: great cast, has in a way a strong setup. It's
Speaker 3: just yeah, like I said, it's basically an unfinished film
Speaker 3: that was nevertheless released and kind of really suffers for that.
Speaker 3: It's sort of held together by duct tape and paper clips.
Speaker 3: But that was all a tangent to say. There are
Speaker 3: some cases where it feels like it can be really strong.
Speaker 3: Most of the time, when your sequel has to undo
Speaker 3: the previous film, it's just really irritating.
Speaker 2: How do you feel about Halloween one Halloween two? Because
Speaker 2: Halloween One ends with like Donald Pleasant is like finally
Speaker 2: we have killed him, and then Halloween two begins with
Speaker 2: oh wait, my bad, I'm sorry I missed him, or
Speaker 2: he's not dead.
Speaker 3: You know, I mean Halloween two is not the worst
Speaker 3: slasher movie and not the worst slasher sequel. Like it's
Speaker 3: a pretty competently executed slasher horror movie. But yeah, it's
Speaker 3: it's totally unnecessary, and it's quite clear that it was
Speaker 3: just just kind of a cash grab. It's like the
Speaker 3: first movie was really successful, we got to do another one.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think it doesn't feel it like
Speaker 3: Carpenter didn't even direct it. I think he co wrote
Speaker 3: the screenplay if I'm not mistaken, but I could be
Speaker 3: wrong about that. But whoever was all the creative forces
Speaker 3: behind it. It is a competently made horror movie, but
Speaker 3: their heart wasn't really in it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah. The next thing about sequels is definitely
Speaker 2: the rehash and redo area of sequel making it in
Speaker 2: its worst case, you have a like direct to video
Speaker 2: cash in that is intentional, it just complete, letely lacking
Speaker 2: of the originality of the first film. But you also
Speaker 2: see this this reverse and that's when you have particularly
Speaker 2: a lower budget or an indie picture that does really well,
Speaker 2: and then the sequel is a chance to essentially redo it,
Speaker 2: hopefully with improvements to the budget, cast, script, et cetera.
Speaker 2: I think prime examples of this would be Evil Dead
Speaker 2: Too and Fantasm Too, both of which benefited from larger
Speaker 2: budgets and are both kinds of sequel slash remakes. I
Speaker 2: know fans are torn on some of the issues regarding these,
Speaker 2: and there are arguments about like what's better Phantasm War
Speaker 2: or Phantasm Too, But undeniably these are cases where the
Speaker 2: filmmakers got to go back and spend a lot more money,
Speaker 2: maybe with a lot more you know, caveats attached to
Speaker 2: how they use that money, but still they got to
Speaker 2: explore the same dream with more cash.
Speaker 3: I don't know if the same is true of Phantasm
Speaker 3: two because I haven't seen it, but certainly with Evil
Speaker 3: Dead two there's a big difference, not just in in budget,
Speaker 3: not just in the resources they had to work with,
Speaker 3: but in the tone of the movie. Whereas the first
Speaker 3: Evil Dead movie is like a is like a dark, straight,
Speaker 3: gross horror movie, the second one is a comedy essentially.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so you get to tweak the tone even
Speaker 2: in cases, and then sometimes I can think it can
Speaker 2: have great results.
Speaker 3: But now, how does this apply to transwers, Because if
Speaker 3: I'm not mistaken, I think the first one actually got
Speaker 3: a theatrical release, and this one, I don't know, but
Speaker 3: it feels extremely straight to video.
Speaker 2: Yes, this one was straight to video, unlike the previous one.
Speaker 2: I couldn't find any information about the actual budget for
Speaker 2: Transwers too, so this one maybe cost as much, maybe
Speaker 2: cost more, but I doubt it. I think it costs less.
Speaker 2: It's certainly made at least one key upgrade, and that's
Speaker 2: in villain casting, which we'll get to in a bit.
Speaker 2: But they largely rehashed the plot of the first one,
Speaker 2: except with additional complications and additional characters. But I feel
Speaker 2: like they brought almost everybody back, so you know, it's
Speaker 2: kind of like a cast reunion to a certain extent.
Speaker 3: Okay, well, so if you're about to recap the first
Speaker 3: movie for us, the first thing I've got to know
Speaker 3: is it's called transfers to the Return of Jack Death.
Speaker 3: Where did he return from? Did he return from the
Speaker 3: future to the past or from the past to the future.
Speaker 2: No, he doesn't return from anywhere. He returns to your
Speaker 2: TV screen basically. Okay, that's the only thing that returns
Speaker 2: to because there's talk of him returning to the future,
Speaker 2: but he does not return to the future. He doesn't
Speaker 2: return to the future until Transfers three.
Speaker 3: So it just literally could have been called Transfers to
Speaker 3: Jack Death is in another movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, all right, so previously on Transfers. Okay, So
Speaker 2: angel City of the twenty third century, it has a
Speaker 2: lot of problems. Most of Los Angeles is underwater and
Speaker 2: a psychic mastermind known as Whistler, who uses his psychic
Speaker 2: powers to turn other humans into transfers zombie like thralls.
Speaker 2: You know, these these are psychically controlled sleep ragents who
Speaker 2: can be triggered into a monstrous rampage. But luckily you
Speaker 2: have some transfer hunters on the case. And there's none
Speaker 2: more excellent at singing trancers than old Jack Death.
Speaker 3: Jack Death is sort of the Harley Stone of trancers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he's a pro at taking them out. Pro
Speaker 2: it sings in those trancers. Meanwhile, the police actually have
Speaker 2: Whistler's body, They have the super bad guy's body, but
Speaker 2: they don't have his mind because Whistler, we find out,
Speaker 2: has used the time travel drug to send his consciousness
Speaker 2: back in time to nineteen eighty five, where his consciousness
Speaker 2: now inhabits his ancestors body and his ancestor in nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty five is a police detective, so complications.
Speaker 3: Uh oh.
Speaker 2: Now, while in the past, Whistler hasn't just been hiding,
Speaker 2: he's been hunting down and murdering the ancestors of his
Speaker 2: key enemies in the future members of the ruling Council
Speaker 2: of Angel City. So he's you know, he's basically running
Speaker 2: a terminator game on his enemies here. So Jack Death
Speaker 2: has been hired by the one remaining member of the
Speaker 2: ruling Council to follow Whistler quote down the line, down
Speaker 2: the timeline by using the time travel drug, and Jack
Speaker 2: Death's consciousness emerges in his own nineteen eighty five ancestors
Speaker 2: body a reporter in in nineteen eighty five Los Angeles,
Speaker 2: but before he goes, he shoots Whistler's future body, his
Speaker 2: comentose body dead before he goes, So he's kind of like,
Speaker 2: I'll go get him, but I'm not bringing him back alive.
Speaker 2: He's not coming back to this body. Too dangerous to live,
Speaker 2: all right, Okay, So where does Helen Hunt come in.
Speaker 2: She's kind of okay. Once in the past he meets
Speaker 2: up with this punk girl named Lena, and that is
Speaker 2: Helen Hunt, Okay, And so she's she's she's in it.
Speaker 2: She's gonna help him. She you know, she gets her
Speaker 2: eyes are open to the time Shenanigan's going on, so
Speaker 2: she's she's right there with him to help him to
Speaker 2: fight the battle. They fall in love, et cetera, you know,
Speaker 2: as one would expect, and they hunt down the drunken,
Speaker 2: homeless former pro baseball player hap Ashby, who is the
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty five ancestor of the future ruler who is
Speaker 2: in jeopardy. So in this quest, death is aided by
Speaker 2: some high tech equipment that is also sent back through
Speaker 2: time and space to him, presumably via a different time
Speaker 2: travel methods. So once you've had your consciousness zipped back,
Speaker 2: they can send you a small box like the size
Speaker 2: of a cigar box that has a few, you know,
Speaker 2: special tools that you can use.
Speaker 3: Does this include the watch that allows you to stop
Speaker 3: time for ten seconds?
Speaker 2: Yes, this includes the watch that gives you a long
Speaker 2: second if you push a button. The long second is
Speaker 2: just pausing time for a second, letting you do some
Speaker 2: bullet time stuff.
Speaker 3: But heredibly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But he also has two doses of a serum
Speaker 2: that he can use if the serum is injected into
Speaker 2: somebody who is a conscious from the future occupying a body.
Speaker 2: Then it will kick that consciousness out and send it
Speaker 2: back to the future. So these two doses. One is
Speaker 2: to allow Jack death to return to the future for
Speaker 2: his consciousness to leave his ancestor's body. The other dose
Speaker 2: is to send Whistler out of his ancestor's body. But
Speaker 2: since Whistler is dead in the future, he'll just go
Speaker 2: into oblivion. Okay, all right, So he defeats Whistler, but
Speaker 2: he faces a problem. Only one of the two consciousness
Speaker 2: booting doses survive the battle. He can only inject one
Speaker 2: of them. He can kill Whistler in the past and
Speaker 2: use the one dose to return himself, but that means
Speaker 2: killing the body that Whistler inhabits, which is an innocent
Speaker 2: man with a family. So instead he ejects Whistler's consciousness
Speaker 2: into oblivion, thus sparing Whistler's ancestor, and remains behind. In
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty five to Mary Lena played by Helen Hunt
Speaker 2: and live in the twentieth century.
Speaker 3: Happily ever After with in the nineteen eighties in southern California. Wow.
Speaker 2: Perfectly serviceable movie, but I think in some in some
Speaker 2: ways a better movie, but ultimately I think Transfers two
Speaker 2: is more.
Speaker 3: Fun I'm gonna guess that Transfers two is significantly funnier
Speaker 3: than the first movie.
Speaker 2: Yes, it definitely leans into the comedy a little bit
Speaker 2: more without getting into like full blown yu you know,
Speaker 2: yuck a minute mode that you kind of see in
Speaker 2: the later full Full Moon Pictures releases. And we'll get
Speaker 2: into some of that in a bit here. But Transfers
Speaker 2: one did have a few laughs, and I'll mention one
Speaker 2: or two of them as we go.
Speaker 3: Okay, so that's the previous movie. What's the elevator pitch
Speaker 3: on the second movie? Jack Death is back, Baby, Jack
Speaker 3: Death all over again. Yeah, I was trying to think. Okay,
Speaker 3: I've got an all pitch on the second movie, which
Speaker 3: is that, due to unforeseen trancers, Jack Death realizes that ooh,
Speaker 3: he had another wife in the future that he forgot
Speaker 3: to tell Helen Hunt about, and now she's back in
Speaker 3: the past, and so now he's faced with the dilemma
Speaker 3: must he choose between them or can he marry both women?
Speaker 2: Let's hear that trailer audio.
Speaker 3: My name's Jack Death. I'm a transfer hunter from the
Speaker 3: twenty first century.
Speaker 2: It's been seven years since I went down the line
Speaker 2: at Old California.
Speaker 3: Life's been good. I thought i'd send my last transfer,
Speaker 3: but nothing lasts forever.
Speaker 2: Jack Transfers too, the Return of Jack Death, Jack twentieth
Speaker 2: cent She must be getting to you.
Speaker 3: You have no idea. I actually haven't listened to this,
Speaker 3: but I imagine there's a really good in a world
Speaker 3: narrator in it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the trailer. I actually don't advise watching the trailer
Speaker 2: in full because the one that the official one that's
Speaker 2: uploaded by Full Moon, is like three minutes long and
Speaker 2: is basically a summary of the entire film. If let
Speaker 2: me shows you everything, and I know it's late. Not
Speaker 2: that spoilers are going to ruin your enjoyment of Transfers too,
Speaker 2: but you know, I think it's it's worth going into.
Speaker 3: Fresh Oh wait a minute, then, should people not listen
Speaker 3: to this episode before they watch?
Speaker 2: Oh no, they can do that.
Speaker 3: That's far right.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think everybody who's been listening to weird
Speaker 2: El Cinema, you know the deal. We're gonna you know,
Speaker 2: we're going to talk loosely about the movie. We're going
Speaker 2: to talk about the people in it, and then we'll
Speaker 2: get more into the plot. So if you need to
Speaker 2: jump out halfway through, you know where to jump out at.
Speaker 2: You know, if you need to go watch the movie
Speaker 2: and you want you don't want any spoilers, otherwise we're
Speaker 2: going to spoil pretty much everything. Well.
Speaker 3: I greatly enjoyed transfers too, but I would not say
Speaker 3: a lot was hanging on the outcome of the plot
Speaker 3: for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty predictable. You know what's going to happen,
Speaker 2: all right.
Speaker 3: So who made this thing?
Speaker 2: Well, Charles Band, of course he's the director. He has
Speaker 2: an original story credit on this. Born nineteen fifty one.
Speaker 2: We've discussed his bio before, but briefly, he's the man
Speaker 2: behind Empire International Pictures and then Full Moon Features, and
Speaker 2: he directs did some really awesome eighties and nineties sci
Speaker 2: fi and horror films, you know, lower budget, fair for sure,
Speaker 2: before going increasingly in the Evil Bong Ginger dead Man direction.
Speaker 2: This is I believe our third Charles Band production, but
Speaker 2: our first film that he actually directed.
Speaker 3: What were the other two? He was a producer on Robot.
Speaker 2: Jocks, right, Robot Jocks and Arena.
Speaker 3: Two absolutely glorious films. And I think there's a Robot
Speaker 3: Jocks tie in later on here.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So he has sixty eight directorial credits, and
Speaker 2: I'd say most, if not all, of it from recent
Speaker 2: decades is certainly of the Evil Bong sort. But this
Speaker 2: movie is from the era in which Band was still
Speaker 2: making films that seemed to aim to be more genre
Speaker 2: action entertainment without just being you know, abject horror comedy
Speaker 2: and so forth. I'm talking stuff like nineteen eighty two's Parasite,
Speaker 2: which starred Demi Moore, metal Storm, The Destruction of Jared
Speaker 2: Sin from nineteen eighty three, which which I really enjoyed.
Speaker 2: That's a fun, sort of otherworldly post apocalyptic mashup thing.
Speaker 2: Nineteen ninety two's Doctor Mordred, which is kind of a
Speaker 2: Doctor Strange picture before we had a Doctor Strange picture, okay.
Speaker 2: And these films were not critical hits by any means.
Speaker 2: I assume they made money of some sort since things
Speaker 2: kept going, but you know, many of them developed a following,
Speaker 2: and as a producer, Band played a role in bringing
Speaker 2: a lot of weird schlock to the screen, and I
Speaker 2: think like, ultimately as a producer is where he has
Speaker 2: the most enduring value. You know, there's a lot of
Speaker 2: fun stuff going on in the Empire Pictures Days as
Speaker 2: well as the early Full Moon Days, and even though
Speaker 2: the evil Bong stuff is not for me, I recognize
Speaker 2: that that too seems to have its following, so fair enough.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we're on the same page here, Like
Speaker 3: I love a good funny bee horror movie, but ones
Speaker 3: that lean too hard on that intentionally, that try to
Speaker 3: be too funny at a certain point, that kind of
Speaker 3: step over the line of intentionality, and the the silver
Speaker 3: loses its luster.
Speaker 2: Yeah, or it certainly becomes harder to achieve perfection. You know.
Speaker 2: I can think of some horror comedies that are really good,
Speaker 2: and we'll probably mention one in a bit that I'm
Speaker 2: rather fond of. But yeah, I feel like it's just
Speaker 2: harder and harder to do. Whereas the sweet Spot is
Speaker 2: trying to It's trying and maybe not fully succeeding in
Speaker 2: making a serious horror sci fi film.
Speaker 3: So one of the most hilarious things of our entire
Speaker 3: Transfers journey. Last night, Rachel and I watched Transfers to
Speaker 3: the Return of Jack Death, but also ended up researching
Speaker 3: other Transfers movies throughout the evening, so of course, you
Speaker 3: had Transfers in nineteen eighty four, and then you had
Speaker 3: Transfers to the Return of Jack Death. This was nineteen
Speaker 3: ninety one, which, as we've talked about on the show before,
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety one is maybe the most eighties year that
Speaker 3: ever happened. But it doesn't stop there. You've got Transfers
Speaker 3: three Death Lives in nineteen ninety two, Transfers four, Jack
Speaker 3: of Swords in ninety four, Transfers five Sudden Death d
Speaker 3: Etch Again in ninety four, and then Transfer six and
Speaker 3: Transfer six does not have a subtitle. It really should have.
Speaker 3: I think they should have kept going with the play
Speaker 3: on the word death, so it could have been Transfer
Speaker 3: six Death by Misadventure. I don't know, there's a lot
Speaker 3: of stuff you could do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I haven't seen Transfers three yet, but I want
Speaker 2: to actually have it q'ed up because I think I'm
Speaker 2: on board for that one. I'm less thrilled about the
Speaker 2: idea of Transfers four and five, because I understand those
Speaker 2: are kind of notoriously bad ones. One was I think
Speaker 2: filmed in an East European castle, and some of the
Speaker 2: people involved in that one we're paid in money that
Speaker 2: couldn't leave the country if I read correctly, and the
Speaker 2: other is a Western, so you have like medieval transfers,
Speaker 2: Old West transfers, and then transfer six is it doesn't
Speaker 2: even have Jack death in it.
Speaker 3: Well, it's got an old Western. So this is like
Speaker 3: going in the same arc as the Trimors sequels. Trimmers
Speaker 3: and transfers are kind of running parallel.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, they couldn't really do transfers in space
Speaker 2: because it's already sort I don't know. Maybe they could
Speaker 2: do transfers in space and.
Speaker 3: That would explain the galaxy inside his coat.
Speaker 2: That would maybe they go into space in three. I
Speaker 2: don't know, Like I say, I haven't seen three.
Speaker 3: One thing I was really surprised by Transfers four and five,
Speaker 3: which are the ones you're saying are notoriously awful, were
Speaker 3: both apparently directed by David Nutter, who does tons of
Speaker 3: high profile TV work, including directing many Game of Thrones
Speaker 3: episodes that are some of the most memorable ones. I
Speaker 3: think he did the Red Wedding episode, and he did
Speaker 3: a bunch of X Files episodes that are like really
Speaker 3: well remembered. I think he directed Clyde Bruckman's Final Repose.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a trusted hand in TV and presumably film
Speaker 2: direction as well. But I mean, yeah, these productions like
Speaker 2: Game of Thrones are essentially film productions.
Speaker 3: Charles band or whoever owns this. Now, if you're looking
Speaker 3: for some amateur filmmakers to make transfers seven Death by Misadventure,
Speaker 3: I think, hey, we're your people. Get in touch.
Speaker 2: Now. The writers on this one, I should point out
Speaker 2: that Danny Bilson and Paul Demio wrote the first These
Speaker 2: are also the guys who wrote Arena. We mentioned them
Speaker 2: briefly in that episode of Weirdhouse Cinema. Danny Bilson went
Speaker 2: on to write screenplays for The Rocketeer and The Five Bloods,
Speaker 2: which came out just last year I think, and I
Speaker 2: think was pretty acclaimed. That's a Spike Lee film. And
Speaker 2: then the writers on this picture. The screenwriter is credited
Speaker 2: as Jackson Burr. Not a lot of information on him,
Speaker 2: but he was active from nineteen eighty nine through nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety four, did a number of screenplays for Full Moon
Speaker 2: and some other B movies. Most notably he did the
Speaker 2: screenplay for the Full Moon feature Subspecies.
Speaker 3: All Right, I think we got to get into the
Speaker 3: cast because we've said the phrase Jack Death probably thirty
Speaker 3: five times already. Who plays Jack Death? Well, this is
Speaker 3: a glorious chuck roast of a man named Tim Thomerson.
Speaker 2: Yes, Tim Thomerson, who I think it's safe to say
Speaker 2: is a B movie icon of sorts. He's still very
Speaker 2: much around act born nineteen forty six. I was looking
Speaker 2: him up because I hadn't really researched him before this.
Speaker 2: I just knew that he was in some Full Moon pictures,
Speaker 2: and you know, that was kind of as far as
Speaker 2: I knew. That was where he emerged from. But he
Speaker 2: actually started out as a stand up comic and was
Speaker 2: quite successful at it in the late seventies and very
Speaker 2: early eighties. I mean he was shown up on late
Speaker 2: night talk shows and so forth.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you shared a bit that you found on YouTube.
Speaker 3: I mean, a lot of seventies and eighties stand up comedy.
Speaker 3: I feel like it's like there's the really good stuff,
Speaker 3: and that's really good, and then almost everything else is
Speaker 3: just Drek. And I mean, I can't say that the
Speaker 3: video you shared was amazing, but maybe he was a
Speaker 3: little bit better than Drek. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I'm I'm just ready for the worst when
Speaker 2: I look at pretty much any stand up comedy, but
Speaker 2: especially stand up comedy from years past, and for the
Speaker 2: most part, it seems like he had kind of a
Speaker 2: zany seventies guy kind of vibe. He had a big,
Speaker 2: bushy mustache and did some sort of like some like
Speaker 2: poststoner kind of humor. Yeah, kind of a watered down
Speaker 2: Robin Williams vibe as well, Like imagine a toned down
Speaker 2: Robin Williams who lifts, Yeah.
Speaker 3: I would say surfer guy Robin Williams who does a
Speaker 3: lot of mouth sound effects and occasionally uses props.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So Zip has kind of a zany entertainment origin,
Speaker 2: especially when you compare it to stuff like his role
Speaker 2: as Jack Death, who certainly has some comedic corners to it,
Speaker 2: and you see some of that comedic energy bleed through
Speaker 2: in his performance here. But for the most part, it's
Speaker 2: kind of a noir esque, hardened detective kind of a role,
Speaker 2: you know, and he has the face for it. He's,
Speaker 2: you know, ruggedly handsome kind of guy.
Speaker 3: Oh exactly. I chose my Chuck Roast phrase very carefully
Speaker 3: because I think that sort of community. He's very ruggedly handsome,
Speaker 3: classically meaty noir guy, but with an extra little twist
Speaker 3: of absurdity.
Speaker 2: I was kind of surprised that, like, he has this
Speaker 2: very you know, I don't know, like he has a
Speaker 2: like blondish whitish hair in this and he has his
Speaker 2: very like, very rugged features. And I looked it up
Speaker 2: to just see how old he was when they filmed
Speaker 2: this Transfers too, and he's forty five, so he's he's
Speaker 2: just three years older in this film than I am
Speaker 2: right now. So and he was, but he was thirty
Speaker 2: eight in the first Transfers and in that I would
Speaker 2: have assumed that he was like in his late forties.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think he was had a very cured
Speaker 2: look about him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he has a face that speaks of much tobacco
Speaker 3: and beach.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, they're very very sun dried. So his career
Speaker 2: trarectory again stand up comedy. But then he was doing
Speaker 2: a lot of TV work, popping up on stuff like
Speaker 2: Laverne and Shirley. And then he did a little film
Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty three called metal Storm the Director The
Speaker 2: Destruction of Jaredson that was directed by Charles Band And
Speaker 2: so the following year he did the first Transfers film.
Speaker 3: Okay, well you've mentioned this a couple of times now,
Speaker 3: and I hear the elation in your voice. So maybe
Speaker 3: maybe I gotta watch Metal Storm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I need to watch it again, but I remember
Speaker 2: it'd be fun. But yeah, but the thing is once
Speaker 2: you're once you go to band camp, you're in band camp.
Speaker 2: So yeah. So he did Transfers and then the other
Speaker 2: Transfer films, with the exception of the sixth one. He
Speaker 2: also starred as doll Man. In the Dollman films, he
Speaker 2: played this character, Britt Bardo, who's like, it's like a
Speaker 2: miniaturized human gimmick. I haven't actually seen any of those,
Speaker 2: but they were apparently successful enough in the Full Moon
Speaker 2: universe to do stuff like doll Man versus Demonic Toys.
Speaker 3: Oh, don't they have a They've had different franchises that
Speaker 3: are all about killer toys. They've got puppet Master, Demonic Toys,
Speaker 3: doll Man. Am I missing some others?
Speaker 2: I think technically when you get into like the Ginger
Speaker 2: dead Man stuff, like Ginger dead Man is like a
Speaker 2: small gingerbread cookie that that kills people consistency. But he
Speaker 2: was also in some other stuff. He was in Zone Troopers, Nemesis,
Speaker 2: Iron Eagle, Cherry two, thousand, which is a good one.
Speaker 2: He's also so in Near Dark, the excellent vampire film
Speaker 2: from Catherine Bigelow with Lance Hendrickson in it and Bill
Speaker 2: Paxton among others.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's one of the best vampire movies ever.
Speaker 2: I think he plays a dad in that. I don't
Speaker 2: really remember Tim Thomerson in it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the main character's dad maybe. Yeah. So Rachel and
Speaker 3: I were discussing a theory last night that Tim Thomerson
Speaker 3: edits Wikipedia because we were drilling into the wikis for
Speaker 3: like to see what was going on with the Deep
Speaker 3: Transfer sequels after we finished the movie, and we came
Speaker 3: across some hilarious unsourced claims, like on the wiki for
Speaker 3: Trancers six, which, by the way, it doesn't have a subtitle,
Speaker 3: but the tagline on the poster is same attitude, different sects.
Speaker 3: So I think it's that Jack Death this time comes
Speaker 3: back and inhabits the body of an ancestor who was female.
Speaker 2: Yes, in fact, I could be wrong, but it might
Speaker 2: be his own daughter. I'm not sure what.
Speaker 3: Yeah, would that makes sense?
Speaker 2: It would still be his future. It will be his
Speaker 2: I did. Don't try and time travel in these movies work.
Speaker 2: It'll just it'll just hurt your brain.
Speaker 3: Stop. Okay, But anyway, you get to the reception section
Speaker 3: of the wiki for Transfer six, it has one sentence
Speaker 3: in it. The reception section reads, reception for the film
Speaker 3: has been overall negative, mainly due to the lack of
Speaker 3: Tim Thomerson. And I thought about that scene in The
Speaker 3: Simpsons where where Homer's reading the list of suggestions to
Speaker 3: Roger Meyer, and he's like, whenever Poochie's not on screen,
Speaker 3: all the other characters should be asking, where's Poochy?
Speaker 2: Where's Thomason? Yeah? He he is the center of this
Speaker 2: these pictures, it's hard to imagine one with that.
Speaker 3: Oh, but we got to get to the real star
Speaker 3: power here. We've got a couple of stars in the
Speaker 3: sky of Transfers two. One is Richard Lynch, the other
Speaker 3: is Helen Hunt. This is this Academy Award winning actress.
Speaker 2: That's right, the Helen Hunt born nineteen sixty three, very
Speaker 2: much active today, plays Lena Death in this because she's
Speaker 2: married to Jack Death at this point. Now, don't worry
Speaker 2: Helen Hunt fans. This was several years before her award
Speaker 2: winning role in As Good as It Gets. Her career
Speaker 2: hadn't quite taken off yet. At the time of Transfers two,
Speaker 2: she had just done additional voices on Captain Planet, and
Speaker 2: afterwards she was in a really weird supernatural western with
Speaker 2: Bruce Dern called Into the bad Lands, which I remember
Speaker 2: being good. I saw it when I was a kid,
Speaker 2: but I remember liking that. But yeah, she hadn't hadn't
Speaker 2: quite taken off yet. She'd come back for Transfers three
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety two, but shortly after that I think
Speaker 2: she had moved beyond the orbit of full moon and
Speaker 2: was onto bigger and brighter things.
Speaker 3: So Helen Hunt in this movie plays Jack Death's wife
Speaker 3: in the past, who is going to come into conflict
Speaker 3: when his wife from the future comes back to the past, right,
Speaker 3: and Helen Hunt is an exception good actress, and this
Speaker 3: is in many ways an exceptionally poorly written role, which
Speaker 3: is always a really enjoyable collision of forces when you
Speaker 3: have like a great actor saying ridiculous lines. And some
Speaker 3: of my favorite parts of this movie were the scenes
Speaker 3: where Helen Hunt is just rattling off paragraph long lines
Speaker 3: about the mechanics of time travel and complaining about the
Speaker 3: fact that he has another wife that she didn't know about.
Speaker 3: So that's one of the real chef kiss things in
Speaker 3: this movie. And it's also different because she's a very
Speaker 3: down to earth good actor, unlike there are other actors
Speaker 3: like who could be really great. But also we're in
Speaker 3: lots of B movies delivering ridiculous lines, like you know,
Speaker 3: I think Donald Pleasance, but somehow Donald Pleasance I think
Speaker 3: fits more into the B movie world when he's in it.
Speaker 3: Here it's just somebody who's clearly got like more screen
Speaker 3: presence than this movie demands, doing these lines that are
Speaker 3: absolutely absurd, but doing them, you know, doing the job yep.
Speaker 3: But also, oh my god, her costuming in this movie.
Speaker 3: I guess it was part of the fashion in nineteen
Speaker 3: ninety one to have these like really high wasted, loose genes.
Speaker 3: But her mom jeans in this movie are just extraordinary.
Speaker 3: They explore previously unknown reaches of mom Jean Zenus. They're
Speaker 3: almost kind of like the mc hammer pants but jeans.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And like you said, she has some she
Speaker 2: has some real acting challenges in this film that she's
Speaker 2: you know, totally has the chops for, but she's put
Speaker 2: put in, particularly, she's put in some really challenging scenes
Speaker 2: with the very green actor Megan Ward. In this it's
Speaker 2: in some Bechdel flunking dialogue where it's just all about
Speaker 2: Jack Death. It's just two female characters talking exclusively about
Speaker 2: the male character. And you know, Helen Hunt clearly has
Speaker 2: this screen presence in this talent, and Megan Ward is
Speaker 2: just not there yet.
Speaker 3: That is funny almost any time, Well, it is like pouchy.
Speaker 3: Everybody should be saying where's pooci because in this movie,
Speaker 3: if Jack Death is not on screen, basically the other
Speaker 3: characters on screen are talking about where's Jack Death? Who's
Speaker 3: going to get to marry Jack Death?
Speaker 2: Now, speaking of Megan Ward, she plays Alice Stillwell, who
Speaker 2: is Jack Death's first wife from the future. Born nineteen
Speaker 2: sixty nine, she was in Encino Man. She's done a
Speaker 2: lot of TV work, including some work on General Hospital.
Speaker 2: So she's not in the first Trancers, and I'll give
Speaker 2: her the benefit of the doubt and assume that she
Speaker 2: grew as a performer after this. But yeah, she's green
Speaker 2: as grass in Transfers too, and has no help from
Speaker 2: the dialogue either, So it's it can't place all the
Speaker 2: blame on her by any means, But the result is
Speaker 2: she kind of ends up dragging down every scene she's in,
Speaker 2: except her scene with a character named Rabbit, which we'll
Speaker 2: get to in a bit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she gets through her lines, but she's pretty consistently
Speaker 3: kind of low energy, like not really amped up to
Speaker 3: the absurd level that the rest of like the older
Speaker 3: actors were going for.
Speaker 2: She would have worked great in the humanoid like she
Speaker 2: has humanoid level energy, but the thing is in this
Speaker 2: everybody else has much higher levels of energy or intensity. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and speaking of intensity.
Speaker 3: The legend in fact, this actor has real legends about
Speaker 3: him that I wasn't even aware of before we started
Speaker 3: researching for this. It's time to talk about Richard Lynch,
Speaker 3: our villain for the film.
Speaker 2: Yes, Richard Lynch plays doctor Wardo, who the nature of
Speaker 2: this character is kind of confusing. We'll get into that
Speaker 2: in a bit. But Lynch was born in nineteen forty
Speaker 2: died in twenty twelve, a true B movie legend. With that,
Speaker 2: it was a huge upgrade for the Transfers franchise here
Speaker 2: because the chief villain, Whistler in the first film was
Speaker 2: played by this guy, Michael Stefani, who was fine. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm not saying Stefani was bad, but he didn't have
Speaker 2: the smoldering intensity of Richard Lynch. Now, Lynch had a
Speaker 2: really signature look. You know, he had to look up
Speaker 2: a picture of him if you don't remember him. Bright
Speaker 2: blonde hair, sharp nose, the scarred face. And I never
Speaker 2: knew the history on his on the scars that he had.
Speaker 2: In fact, I'd say a lot of the films I've
Speaker 2: seen him in, the picture quality is not really good
Speaker 2: enough to pick up on it all that much, you.
Speaker 3: Know, right when you're watching like a like a YouTube
Speaker 3: rip of a check dub of Scanner Cop three, you
Speaker 3: don't really pick out the fine detail of his face
Speaker 3: as well.
Speaker 2: Right. But something that's mentioned in the obits for him,
Speaker 2: including the New York Times Oh Bit for Richard Lynch,
Speaker 2: is that, according to Lynch, he suffered scarring in nineteen
Speaker 2: sixty seven after he set himself on fire while under
Speaker 2: the influence of LSD in New York Central Park.
Speaker 3: This is one of those stories that I didn't know
Speaker 3: until yesterday, and I was like, how have I never
Speaker 3: read this before?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it seems like the kind of thing I
Speaker 2: would have picked up on it sure enough if you
Speaker 2: look it up. On YouTube, you can find a scene
Speaker 2: from the documentary LSD Trip to Nowhere, and I think
Speaker 2: it's a no, it's Trip to Where LSD Trip to
Speaker 2: Where question Mark, a documentary from nineteen sixty eight, and
Speaker 2: it's just some rough interview footage of a young Richard
Speaker 2: Lynch whose you know, injuries are far more apparent in
Speaker 2: this early footage. I don't know if he's you know,
Speaker 2: he still hasn't healed up from reconstructive surgery or what
Speaker 2: the exact details are, but he's talking about this experience
Speaker 2: and it's a it's a rough rough watch.
Speaker 3: So he was appearing in basically an anti LSD scare film.
Speaker 2: Yes, But anyways, it goes beyond Lynch's looks though, because
Speaker 2: he was a solid actor who brought just real menace
Speaker 2: to as many many villainous roles over the decades there.
Speaker 2: You know, there are a lot of character actors who
Speaker 2: had you know, odd looks to them, you know, and
Speaker 2: have particular features of their appearance that lend well to
Speaker 2: you know, to horror and sci fi. But but and
Speaker 2: some of them don't clearly don't have like the acting
Speaker 2: chops to back it up. I think Lynch is one
Speaker 2: of those guys that clearly did have the acting chops.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree. You know, one thing that's interesting is
Speaker 3: that I noticed later touches of this in his in
Speaker 3: his adult roles, but it's less there. It's more there
Speaker 3: in that early interview from the sixties when he's young,
Speaker 3: is that he has that kind of classic Transatlantic accent.
Speaker 3: He sounds a little bit like William F. Buckley when
Speaker 3: he talks.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So his credits include such films as God Told
Speaker 2: Me To The the excellent weird Larry Cohen film, in
Speaker 2: which he plays an alien hymaphroditic Christ like being that
Speaker 2: has come to New York City. He's in The Seven Ups,
Speaker 2: which is, you know, not a genre piece, it's just
Speaker 2: like a crime movie. He was in The Ninth Configuration.
Speaker 2: He was in The Sword and the Sorcerer and the Barbarians.
Speaker 2: So he definitely got into the into the you know,
Speaker 2: the medieval fantasy type epics, you know, generally playing some
Speaker 2: sort of evil sorcerer. He was in Scanner cop Oh. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he was in Necronomicon Book of the Dead. And he's
Speaker 2: one of many B movie and genre icons who Rob
Speaker 2: Zombie brought into some of his films. So you'll find
Speaker 2: him especially in the Lords of Salem.
Speaker 3: I would say he also is in the B movie
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame for his participation in Warwielf.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, that's right, he's in that NOL. Yeah,
Speaker 2: now you know. Actually, now that I mentioned it, I
Speaker 2: can't recall if he actually got to complete his scenes
Speaker 2: for Lords of Salem. He might have, He might have been.
Speaker 2: That might have been towards the end of his life.
Speaker 2: It's possible that he's not in that at all. He
Speaker 2: may have just been originally part of the cast, now
Speaker 2: that I think about it, but I think he was
Speaker 2: in Rob Zombie's Halloween movie.
Speaker 3: That sounds right. Yeah.
Speaker 2: He also showed up on Star Trek, The Next Generation
Speaker 2: Murder she wrote, and Six Feet Under. So yeah, Richard
Speaker 2: Lynch was in a lot of things. He was in
Speaker 2: a lot of B movies, played a lot of bad
Speaker 2: guys and was just really good at it.
Speaker 3: Does he ever play a good guy? I can't recall
Speaker 3: that ever happening. I've never seen a movie where he
Speaker 3: wasn't a villain.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, he had to have at
Speaker 2: some point, but I mean, and I think he could
Speaker 2: have done it. I mean, especially as he got older,
Speaker 2: you know, he could I could see him leaning into
Speaker 2: you know, because you see out of character photographs of
Speaker 2: him and he's just, you know, he's just this older
Speaker 2: dude with you know, with white hair at that point.
Speaker 2: But then again, if you're hiring Richard Lynch, you want
Speaker 2: the intensity, right.
Speaker 3: Like, try to imagine this movie with Richard Lynch as
Speaker 3: as Jack Death and Tim Thomerson as the as the villain.
Speaker 3: That doesn't quite work, does it No?
Speaker 2: And then also these films of this caliber, they're often
Speaker 2: painting in very you know, strict colors. You know, you
Speaker 2: want your villain streak, you want your hero streak, You're
Speaker 2: not necessarily looking for a really complex palette.
Speaker 3: So a lot of Richard Lynch's screen time in Trancers
Speaker 3: Too is actually on screen. On screen, He'll be on
Speaker 3: a TV screen, like indoctrinating people, indoctrinating his transfer army
Speaker 3: with weird mantra. Or there's a great part later in
Speaker 3: the movie. It was one of my favorite parts actually,
Speaker 3: where he's on a TV show being given a softball
Speaker 3: interview by Barbara Crampton.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Another B movie name of note noted for
Speaker 2: a reanimator from Beyond Your Next Beyond the Gates and
Speaker 2: Lords of Salem as well. But there's some great scenes. Yeah,
Speaker 2: in this movie he plays a psychic madman cult leader,
Speaker 2: so there's plenty of Lynchian depth there for him to
Speaker 2: get into.
Speaker 3: Oh, don't forget environmental terrorists. Yes, they had to throw
Speaker 3: that in as well. He's many things, too many people
Speaker 3: in this movie. And it's also funny how it made
Speaker 3: me think about how I'm not quite sure whether this
Speaker 3: is I wonder if there was like some event in
Speaker 3: the news that really put this in people's brains. But
Speaker 3: I really think in the early nineteen nineties there were
Speaker 3: a lot of movies about where the villains were eco terrorists.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was kind of maybe a safe
Speaker 2: place to go in some ways, but also perhaps revealed
Speaker 2: some anxieties about you know, environmental movements and you know
Speaker 2: the ramifications of or perceived ramifications of environmental movements.
Speaker 3: So you do see it a lot weird.
Speaker 2: All right. There are other humans in this movie, though,
Speaker 2: we should get to them.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have Biff Maynard or perhaps diff Mannerd. He
Speaker 2: sometimes his name is apparently misspelled as Maynard, but anyway,
Speaker 2: he plays haf Ashby this actor was born nineteen forty
Speaker 2: three died twenty fourteen. He's reprising his role from the
Speaker 2: first film as as the one remaining ancestor of the
Speaker 2: Future Leader, who is a washed up professional baseball player.
Speaker 3: Okay, yes, and he has to be kept alive or
Speaker 3: else the future Politician will not exist.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, he's I wouldn't say he's a great actor,
Speaker 2: but he's a he's a decent enough actor. And he
Speaker 2: has given some wonky lines and reactions in this movie
Speaker 2: that are fabulous. So he's a treat.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he's great. And you know, his names sort
Speaker 3: of reads like a sentence somehow, it's like Biff Menard.
Speaker 3: I don't know, it works, And he spends most of
Speaker 3: the movie getting back on the sauce gradually.
Speaker 2: Yes, we also, oh, you know we were talking about
Speaker 2: in the Humanoid how oh we have a bond girl
Speaker 2: in this one, Well, move over Humanoid, because we don't
Speaker 2: just have a bond girl in this one. We have
Speaker 2: a double bond girl.
Speaker 3: Oh that's right, Martin Beswick, Right.
Speaker 2: That's right. She plays Nurse Trotter. It's just a you know,
Speaker 2: sort of a secondary villain role. But she was born
Speaker 2: nineteen forty one still around as of this recording. She
Speaker 2: was in From Russia with Love in nineteen sixty three
Speaker 2: and Thunderball in nineteen sixty five.
Speaker 3: I was actually so She and Jeffrey Colms another B
Speaker 3: movie icon. Man. This cast list is gigantic. They are
Speaker 3: sort of a team in this movie. They don't do
Speaker 3: much like physical attacking. I mean, I guess they do
Speaker 3: a little bit, but mostly what they do is sit
Speaker 3: side by side and kind of give the main characters
Speaker 3: the side, like look at them, almost as if to
Speaker 3: give them withering looks an issue, like a self esteem annihilating,
Speaker 3: deprecating comment about them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yes, I wouldn't say either. I mean, she
Speaker 2: definitely gets to bust out some side I Jeffrey Combs,
Speaker 2: who again another B B movie icon, the reanimator himself.
Speaker 2: He doesn't have a lot to do in this. He
Speaker 2: just basically sits around with the goateeeyeh, kind of asks
Speaker 2: Lynch's character what he should do, you know, follows orders,
Speaker 2: and also confers with the nurse.
Speaker 1: Here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, his goatee and his shady glare do most of
Speaker 3: the acting.
Speaker 2: All right, I'm gonna I'm gonna largely skip over the
Speaker 2: McNulty's here, But basically you have an old McNulty and
Speaker 2: a girl MacNulty. Old MacNulty is played by this actor,
Speaker 2: Art Lafleur born nineteen forty three. You may have seen him.
Speaker 2: He played the babe in The Sandlot. He was in
Speaker 2: the Blob, he was in Cobra, he was in Field
Speaker 2: of Dreams. He was even in a Key and Peel sketch.
Speaker 3: Huh, he's got slight notes of Buddy Hackett.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah. And then Alison Croft plays Girl Nulty. We'll
Speaker 2: get into the distinction here. She's born in nineteen seventy five.
Speaker 2: Went on to appear on Mad Men and Shameless.
Speaker 3: I feel like this is the biggest cast list we
Speaker 3: have ever plowed through in a movie.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's like there's something interesting about all of them,
Speaker 2: or in the case of the next guy, he's just
Speaker 2: such a delight on screen. Talking about Sonny Carl Davis
Speaker 2: playing Rabbit.
Speaker 3: Tell me about Rabbit, all right.
Speaker 2: I couldn't find anything about when he was born, but
Speaker 2: I think he's still around. Davis has been in a
Speaker 2: bunch of films, including a bit part in Fast Times
Speaker 2: at Ridgemont High. But the first place I saw him
Speaker 2: was in the excellent nineteen eighty six horror comedy Terror Vision,
Speaker 2: in which he plays kind of a creepy satellite TV
Speaker 2: repair guy.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to Oh, I think I know who. He
Speaker 3: was in Fast Times at Ridgemont High. He's the guy
Speaker 3: who gets Judge Reinhold fired from his job by complaining
Speaker 3: about his he didn't like his food at the restaurant.
Speaker 2: You remember this, I don't.
Speaker 3: He's like, I think I just want my money back. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's it's him. It's a memorable performance because sunny Carl
Speaker 3: Davis has he sticks in you.
Speaker 2: He was also in Film and Louise and I Think
Speaker 2: get a part in the Urbs. But in this he
Speaker 2: plays Rabbit, a deranged orderly at the sort of mental institution.
Speaker 2: We'll get into that in a bit, but he has
Speaker 2: some cheesy comedic lines that he manages to bring to
Speaker 2: life delightfully. And the character Rabbit would apparently go on
Speaker 2: to be a staple of the Evil Bong franchise and
Speaker 2: related Full Moon pictures. I'm not sure how they brought
Speaker 2: him back, or you know, if it's just basically the
Speaker 2: little cameos, but essentially he's played Rabbit nine times.
Speaker 3: I get the feeling that what Dick Miller is to
Speaker 3: the Roger Korman universe, Sonny Carl Davis is to the
Speaker 3: full Moon universe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he's great in this.
Speaker 3: I ended up really loving Rabbit. Yeah, I love Rabbit too.
Speaker 3: One of the many surprises of the film, This fiscile,
Speaker 3: balding man with eyelids that open like eight meters wide
Speaker 3: is also apparently the heart throb of the hospital staff,
Speaker 3: like all the ladies are Gogaffer Rabbit. Yeah, it doesn't
Speaker 3: make a lot of sense, but okay.
Speaker 2: All right, let's see real quick. We should mention Telma Hopkins.
Speaker 2: She plays Commander Reins in the Future. She's reprising a
Speaker 2: role from Trancers one. She was part of Tony Orlando
Speaker 2: and Dawn, that musical act. But she also did a
Speaker 2: fair amount of TV and film work. She was on
Speaker 2: Family Matters.
Speaker 3: And I realized I was trying to think where did
Speaker 3: I recognize her from? But she plays Aunt Rachel on
Speaker 3: Family Matters. Okay, but yeah, so she's like the commander
Speaker 3: of the future cops in the future in There are
Speaker 3: a couple of scenes in this I guess the bookends
Speaker 3: of the film that are in the future and she's
Speaker 3: sort of like recapping what's going on, explaining the plot
Speaker 3: and giving people orders. And there's a very funny scene
Speaker 3: at the very beginning where she's telling a dyspeptic art
Speaker 3: Lafleur that he must go back into the past and
Speaker 3: he complains mightily.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I also remember her character is one of Jack
Speaker 2: Death's axes, so everything revolves around Jack.
Speaker 3: Death, right, yes, when Jack Death is not on screen,
Speaker 3: everyone's asking where is Jack Death?
Speaker 2: All right, real quick, I'll mention the music. Phil Davies
Speaker 2: and Mark Ryder did it. They also did the scores
Speaker 2: for Society and a few other films, and I think
Speaker 2: writer ended up working a bit more on his own
Speaker 2: for Transfers.
Speaker 3: I'll say it.
Speaker 2: You know, it's a decent score. It's invisible most of
Speaker 2: the time, you don't really think about it. But there
Speaker 2: were other parts of it that I kind of dug.
Speaker 2: You know. It's electronic, a bit sappy at times, but effective.
Speaker 2: I think Wardo's theme so when there's sort of like
Speaker 2: sinister stuff going on in the asylum, that's where I
Speaker 2: would notice the music and be like, all right, this
Speaker 2: is all right, I can dig this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think I really noticed the music, except
Speaker 3: I noticed it a little bit right at the beginning,
Speaker 3: because so maybe we should get into the plot breakdown.
Speaker 3: Are you ready?
Speaker 2: Let's do it.
Speaker 3: We open on Jack Death and Helen Hunt. I accidentally
Speaker 3: just called her Helen Haunt cruising in his classic Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 3: cruising in his classic corvette. And by the way, Jack
Speaker 3: Death loves his corvette. This is very much a point
Speaker 3: to note in the film. Yes, and we get some moody,
Speaker 3: kind of sad music playing, and this was one of
Speaker 3: the only points where I really noticed the score. Like
Speaker 3: I said, there's the dreamy electronic music. The Death's hair
Speaker 3: is blowing in the wind, and then we get narration
Speaker 3: and Jack Death tells us in voiceover, during the last
Speaker 3: six years, I spent a lot of time wandering this
Speaker 3: part of the California coast. It's tough knowing it's all
Speaker 3: going to be under the ocean after the Killer Quakes
Speaker 3: of twenty sixty three. My name is Jack Death. I'm
Speaker 3: a cop from the future Trancer detail and I didn't
Speaker 3: know it yet, but back up the line, my old supervisor,
Speaker 3: MacNulty was on his way to see me. McNulty's a
Speaker 3: professional pain in the ass, but the Council has stuck
Speaker 3: with him because, like me, he had an ancestor in
Speaker 3: Old California. That's the only way to send someone's consciousness
Speaker 3: back in time over the genetic bridge. I hadn't learned
Speaker 3: about the TCL chamber yet. And then I guess it's
Speaker 3: really just starting to get very detailed for voiceover narration.
Speaker 3: But I stopped because I was thinking this must present
Speaker 3: a very bizarre pattern of sort of discrimination and hiring
Speaker 3: of time cops in the future, right, Like you have
Speaker 3: to submit your family tree and details to see if
Speaker 3: they can find a relative of yours in Old California.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's they don't go in into it a lot.
Speaker 2: But like, like clearly the transfer, I mean, I guess
Speaker 2: the transfer's thing is it was isolated in time at
Speaker 2: one point, but then the trans then the transfers are
Speaker 2: moving around in time. Whistler and Whistler's brother are moving
Speaker 2: around in time, So that means the time. That means
Speaker 2: that your transfer cops have to become time cops. And yeah,
Speaker 2: there you go.
Speaker 3: So anyway, we get this opening scene I was talking
Speaker 3: about where Commander Rains Telma Hopkins is explaining to McNulty
Speaker 3: how all the time travel stuff works, and this scene.
Speaker 3: I got to be honest and say I had to
Speaker 3: watch this twice. I did not follow this scene at all.
Speaker 3: The first time, I was like, what is going on?
Speaker 3: I guess you had a leg up because you'd seen
Speaker 3: the first movie, right, But if you haven't, this one
Speaker 3: just kind of rolls over you. It's like a wave.
Speaker 3: But basically it's the stuff we've already talked about your consciousness.
Speaker 3: If you take a drug, your consciousness can go back
Speaker 3: in time to an ancestor. It seems mostly you can't
Speaker 3: travel back in time physically, at least not your whole body.
Speaker 3: But now there is a machine called the TCL Chamber
Speaker 3: that looks like a crappy version of the Apollo Command Module,
Speaker 3: and you can send that back in time empty though
Speaker 3: nobody can go in it, And then people can get
Speaker 3: in it in the past physically in their bodies and
Speaker 3: go forward in time to the future. Got it?
Speaker 2: Yeah? And if you don't get it, I just advise
Speaker 2: you to watch the movies because they do a little
Speaker 2: better job explaining it, I guess, or at least presenting
Speaker 2: it visually.
Speaker 3: So Telma Hopkins is explaining that they need to send
Speaker 3: McNulty's consciousness back in time to possess the body of
Speaker 3: his ancestor, who at this point is a fifteen year
Speaker 3: old girl in California in nineteen ninety one to I
Speaker 3: think tell Jack Death about the TCL chamber that will
Speaker 3: allow him to get into it and travel back to
Speaker 3: the future. Is that right, that's right.
Speaker 2: Yeah. In the last film, McNulty had to go back
Speaker 2: in time to do the same thing, and in that
Speaker 2: one it was like, you know, an eight to ten
Speaker 2: year old girl that he had to inhabit, which was
Speaker 2: one of the funnier part the legitimately funnier parts of
Speaker 2: Trancers one where this little girl showing up and she's
Speaker 2: talking like a like you know, like a like a
Speaker 2: like a tough, rough and tumble, you know, police commander
Speaker 2: from the future.
Speaker 3: Is she smoking a cigar?
Speaker 2: No, she's not smoking a cigar, but she's almost almost
Speaker 2: smoking a cigar.
Speaker 3: Well, in this movie, McNulty's ancestor smokes a cigar, which
Speaker 3: I think is played for comedy. Yeah, I think partially
Speaker 3: on the basis of some of some gendered assumptions, but
Speaker 3: also I mean, I guess it is funny to see
Speaker 3: any like fifteen year old chomping on the cigar. Yeah,
Speaker 3: all right. So then Commander Rains explains more of the plot. Again,
Speaker 3: I did not understand any of this the first time
Speaker 3: I had to go back. But so they've sent someone
Speaker 3: else back in time to the body of an ancestor,
Speaker 3: and this other person is Jack Death's wife in the future, Alice,
Speaker 3: who we learn is dead in the future. I can't
Speaker 3: I don't know if this was established in the first movie,
Speaker 3: but she has been murdered in the future.
Speaker 2: It's weird when when we actually discuss it like this,
Speaker 2: this sounds like the most complicated movie plot of all.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I know. I was trying to think like
Speaker 3: it actually is super complicated. It just doesn't really feel
Speaker 3: like that in the movie because all this stuff you
Speaker 3: just like, you kind of don't catch it and it
Speaker 3: doesn't matter, and then you just keep watching. Yeah. But
Speaker 3: so she's dead in the future, but she wasn't dead
Speaker 3: a few years ago in the future. So they sent
Speaker 3: somebody back in time but still to the future, just
Speaker 3: a few years before in the future before she died,
Speaker 3: to tell her that she has to go farther back
Speaker 3: in time to nineteen ninety one so she can I
Speaker 3: believe hunt trancers there, right, And oh my god, there's
Speaker 3: so many funny exchanges in this scene where it just
Speaker 3: gets amazingly complicated. McNulty's like, I thought we killed Whistler
Speaker 3: and all the trancers in the past, and then Rains
Speaker 3: is like, but there's a new Whistler in the past
Speaker 3: and now he's made new trancers in the past.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I like, I didn't even realize Whistler was
Speaker 2: I thought there was just the one Whistler, so I'd
Speaker 2: never figured out if Richard Lynch's character in this is
Speaker 2: truly like Whistler's brother. Is it Whistler himself, his consciousness,
Speaker 2: some kind of escape. They're kind of all over the
Speaker 2: place briefly explaining who he is supposed to be.
Speaker 3: Okay, I think I know the answer. Okay, I think
Speaker 3: the answer is that Richard Lynch is playing Whistler's brother,
Speaker 3: playing a guy named ed WARDO. Whistler, who is the brother.
Speaker 3: I think the guy in the first movie is named
Speaker 3: James Whistler, Is that right?
Speaker 2: Possibly? I feel like I looked that up and I was.
Speaker 2: I also was confused when I started looking up his
Speaker 2: name in the first film. But I think I think yes,
Speaker 2: I think you're correct. This is supposed to be Whistler's brother.
Speaker 2: This is you know, I guess they all both both
Speaker 2: siblings had the psychic gift of creating trancers.
Speaker 3: Uh, Because there's a scene later on where Helen Hunt
Speaker 3: and Jack Death are figuring it out in a very
Speaker 3: Doctor Akila type moment. They're like, oh, this Richard Lynch
Speaker 3: is is his name is E d Wardo. Wait a minute.
Speaker 3: You know Whistler had a brother named ed Wardo Whistler.
Speaker 3: It's him, you know, E ed Wardo. Huh I get it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, good enough for me.
Speaker 3: Okay, but I was thinking about doctor Wardo throughout this
Speaker 3: movie as doctor Warrio. Okay, now we get a bunch
Speaker 3: more plot mechanics. There's so much explaining at the beginning
Speaker 3: of this. So they say, okay, Jack Death, he can't
Speaker 3: come back to the future of the normal serum way
Speaker 3: because his old body in the future is now They
Speaker 3: call it calcified, which I guess would mean it's like
Speaker 3: all made of bone. Now, I guess like he just
Speaker 3: can't come back. His body's bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks bad. They show it on a slab
Speaker 2: and it's just all looking Yeah.
Speaker 3: So he can only come back to the future in
Speaker 3: the TCL chamber in that lunar module thing, or not
Speaker 3: to the command module thing. They're sending that back for him,
Speaker 3: otherwise he'll be stuck in the past forever. And then
Speaker 3: we get introduced to this James Bond gadget we mentioned earlier,
Speaker 3: the long second watch, which slows time for like ten
Speaker 3: seconds so you can go into bullet time basically. Oh,
Speaker 3: and then there's a funny part where McNulty is like, hey, Rains,
Speaker 3: aren't you and Jack Death? You know you were formerly
Speaker 3: in love but you split up. Why would you want
Speaker 3: him back? And the implication there is that, like, if
Speaker 3: you discovered your ex was stuck in the past, you
Speaker 3: just leave them stuck in the past. But she's like, look,
Speaker 3: I can't leave him stuck in the past just because
Speaker 3: we have a history. We have to think about the
Speaker 3: future of the future. And oh, and they find out
Speaker 3: that Jack Death is going to get a seat on
Speaker 3: the Council, which is very important somehow, but it's not
Speaker 3: really explained, I don't think now.
Speaker 2: The later someone says it's like becoming a king of
Speaker 2: the universe, So I guess it's really important.
Speaker 3: I don't know. Jack Death doesn't come off as like
Speaker 3: a really terrible person, but I don't know if he
Speaker 3: seems like the best choice for a king of the universe.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's anti establishment for the most part. You know,
Speaker 2: he's kind of a rogue cop. He doesn't need to
Speaker 2: be mayor of the city right exactly.
Speaker 3: But one thing I noted when we were first watching
Speaker 3: this is that the exposition scene here at the beginning
Speaker 3: just sounds like a transcript of the pitch meeting. It's
Speaker 3: just somebody describing the like basically the concept of the movie.
Speaker 3: But then there was also a really funny part here
Speaker 3: I took a screen grab for you to look at,
Speaker 3: where while she's explaining everything to him, a technician and
Speaker 3: a lab coat comes up and just starts trying to
Speaker 3: undress MacNulty like reaches over to his coat, and MacNulty
Speaker 3: is very irritated. But anyway, Okay, so the action starts
Speaker 3: when we go back to the past to nineteen ninety one,
Speaker 3: where Jack Death and Helen Hunt are driving around and
Speaker 3: they drive up to Happ's house. Remember, Halp is the
Speaker 3: guy who he originally had to go back in time
Speaker 3: to protect because he's the ancestor of a future politician.
Speaker 3: And here I started noticing one of my favorite types
Speaker 3: of awkward cinematography, which is regular dialogue scenes where there's
Speaker 3: nothing particularly intense going on, where the camera is way
Speaker 3: too close to the actors. So, like, you know, a
Speaker 3: standard way of shooting dialogue between two characters today is
Speaker 3: alternating cuts between what are usually called over the shoulder shots,
Speaker 3: so you shoot from roughly, you know, over the shoulder
Speaker 3: of where the other person in the conversation would be.
Speaker 3: You know, there are other choices you can make. You know,
Speaker 3: it's an open art form, but a lot of times
Speaker 3: this movie will be cutting back and forth between people talking,
Speaker 3: and it's cutting between what is basically just extreme close
Speaker 3: ups of people's faces while they're talking, and the effect
Speaker 3: is very funny. I could screencap many examples, but I
Speaker 3: just included one here for just Helen Hunt talking. I
Speaker 3: think she's talking about wanting to go house hunting, and
Speaker 3: it's like right up in her pores.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's one thing of it's Richard Lynch, because Richard
Speaker 2: Lynch is generally saying intense villain stuff and staring into
Speaker 2: your soul when they're doing these close ups. But this
Speaker 2: is a scene where they're just talking about sort of
Speaker 2: side character stuff about how she really wants to settle
Speaker 2: down and get a house and he doesn't feel ready.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then it cuts back to him and he's
Speaker 3: being kind of being a jerk about it. I don't
Speaker 3: want to spend a day with some pencil neck real
Speaker 3: estate agent going house hunting. But we're right up in
Speaker 3: his pores too, and they're just a mile wide, and
Speaker 3: it's wow, it's amazing. Another thing was so they get
Speaker 3: to Happ's house. Happ lives in this mansion which is
Speaker 3: a hideous property where he's restoring an antique fire truck,
Speaker 3: and I was wondering, is this something from the first movie?
Speaker 3: Was happ in transfers one a fire truck enthusiast?
Speaker 2: Happ in the first movie was a former pro baseball
Speaker 2: player that is now homeless, you know, than his you know,
Speaker 2: suffering from from alcoholism, and so in this they sobered him,
Speaker 2: sobered him up. And I don't remember it being explained why,
Speaker 2: but he's set up in this ugly mansion that's decorated
Speaker 2: like it's like something a stereotypical divorced, middle aged dad
Speaker 2: would dream up, where uh, you know, you're storing a
Speaker 2: fire truck and there and everything. All the decoration inside
Speaker 2: the house is like fire trucks and baseball memorabilia and
Speaker 2: there's a big old bar in the center of everything.
Speaker 3: Maximum Baseball. It's it's like the you know, the concept
Speaker 3: of a man cave, but it's this mansion.
Speaker 2: A better description. Yeah, it's it's full man cave mansion.
Speaker 2: And it's just ridiculous.
Speaker 3: He's got thirty six dart boards. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I don't know where Hap got this money. But
Speaker 2: they're living with Hap, uh like kind of like looking
Speaker 2: after him as parents.
Speaker 3: I think, so yeah, yeah, which is especially funny. We'll
Speaker 3: get back to that in just a second. But uh,
Speaker 3: there's there was also a funny exchange. So they're like,
Speaker 3: why did why did Jack Death come back to Happ's house?
Speaker 3: What are they doing here? I thought that supposed to
Speaker 3: be on vacation or a honeymoon or something. But he's like, Hap,
Speaker 3: I had to come back because I had a funny feeling.
Speaker 3: And then Haf goes, no, no, not trancers again, Jack,
Speaker 3: And then it cuts to not dialogue in the scene,
Speaker 3: but voiceover of Jack Death saying I'd been having a
Speaker 3: strange feeling, the feeling I get when there are trancers around.
Speaker 2: Just to make it clear.
Speaker 3: But then anyway, Lena Helen Hunt's character announces that she
Speaker 3: has to get Hap to bed. Why does Lena have
Speaker 3: to make Hap go to bed? It's like he's a
Speaker 3: child and there babysitting him just permanently.
Speaker 2: I mean, he looks like he's in his late fifties
Speaker 2: or early sixties here. Yeah, and yet they refer to
Speaker 2: this a couple of times in the movie that they
Speaker 2: are still kind of grooming this guy to eventually procreate,
Speaker 2: to produce the offspring that the world depends on, like
Speaker 2: the ancestor that ends up being the ruler of the future.
Speaker 2: Apparently has not been produced yet by this specimen of
Speaker 2: a man here. So I'm not really sure how that's
Speaker 2: gonna work out. Yeah, but I think they could have
Speaker 2: done an interesting sitcom with them essentially raising Hap. You know,
Speaker 2: I don't know, Meet the Deaths, Death Family matters.
Speaker 3: I don't know very good. Yes, I would watch that sitcom, But.
Speaker 2: This is the life they've created for them, but that
Speaker 2: life is about to be turned upside down by trancers.
Speaker 3: Oh wait, if it was the sitcom Richard Lynch would
Speaker 3: become the erkle of it. He'd be like the nerdy
Speaker 3: next door neighbor who keeps showing up and he's like, look,
Speaker 3: I've figured out how to create trancers.
Speaker 2: Oh man, it would be the most intense. Did I
Speaker 2: do that ever? Yeah, Richard Lynch staring like straight into
Speaker 2: your bones.
Speaker 3: Did I do that? But then we cut to the
Speaker 3: next morning, and there's several things going on at the
Speaker 3: same time. One of them, I guess, is a conversation
Speaker 3: between Helen Hunt and Jack Death about house hunting. We
Speaker 3: sort of mentioned that already, but also there's just an
Speaker 3: immediate tranfer attack. Landscaping company shows up. The camera lingers
Speaker 3: ominously on a guy with a shovel who's working in
Speaker 3: the yard. So it's like, wow, I wonder what's gonna happen.
Speaker 3: You think he's going to be a trancer. And then
Speaker 3: hap goes out to be like, hey, you know, good
Speaker 3: job digging on the lawn, and the guy immediately like
Speaker 3: his face wargs out and he gets these gross forked
Speaker 3: lightning veins coming down his cheeks, and also there's just
Speaker 3: random dirt on his forehead and some kind of dark
Speaker 3: liquid dripping out of his eyes. Yeah.
Speaker 2: They at this point a transfer has been triggered out
Speaker 2: of their like sleeper cell mode and they're just full
Speaker 2: on maniacal attack mode. And then one of the interesting
Speaker 2: things is if the transfer is then killed with like
Speaker 2: a laser gun or in the first film or in
Speaker 2: this you know, just shot with normal munitions. Once they
Speaker 2: hit the ground, they will disintegrate and leave like a
Speaker 2: smoking outline of their body on the ground.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they turn into red lasers and descending great. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's totally unexplained. Why why would this happen?
Speaker 2: I guess it has to do maybe I don't know,
Speaker 2: the psychic powers or somehow linked they create the transfers
Speaker 2: or linked to this idea of consciousness and time and
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: But anyway, so this is going on. The transfer attack
Speaker 3: happens while Jack Death and Lena are talking about wanting well,
Speaker 3: Helen Hunt wants to buy a house, and Jack Death
Speaker 3: is being a jerk about it because he does not
Speaker 3: want to spend time touring homes. He's just h no,
Speaker 3: I don't want to.
Speaker 2: Yeah. A lot of manchild elements in this movie.
Speaker 3: Yes, And then they're talking about it. I guess they
Speaker 3: sort of make up and they're talking about their future
Speaker 3: and they're kissing, and then Jack Death suddenly perks up.
Speaker 3: His spidy senses are going and he's like trancers, and
Speaker 3: so the landscape or Trancer and his crew are trying
Speaker 3: to kill hap but Jack Death hilariously, it's like he
Speaker 3: riding in on a horse to save the day, but
Speaker 3: instead he drives up on them in a golf cart,
Speaker 3: steering with one hand and shooting with the other. And
Speaker 3: this was maybe my biggest laugh out loud moment of
Speaker 3: the movie. Very very strong.
Speaker 2: It's very great and played like a lot of stuff
Speaker 2: in this film. Most of the things of this film
Speaker 2: played seriously.
Speaker 3: Yes, which makes it work much better.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So Jack Death defeats the trancers and it's like, oh,
Speaker 3: I thought we dealt with all the trancers. I wonder
Speaker 3: if there's a new Whistler in the past. But immediately
Speaker 3: McNulty arrives in his ancestor's body on a bicycle and
Speaker 3: there's a bunch more exposition explains all this stuff about
Speaker 3: time travel, basically rehashes a lot of what we learned earlier,
Speaker 3: explains about the TCL chamber. They end up setting up
Speaker 3: a tent in the yard to hide the time machine
Speaker 3: when it arrives from the future. I love it.
Speaker 2: The very cheap move on the production. I like it.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure exactly what the quality was. It's something
Speaker 3: about her line delivery. But Rachel and I kept noticing
Speaker 3: that the actress who plays McNulty's ancestor, who is good like,
Speaker 3: she's funny in this she has very all Garfield energy.
Speaker 3: I'm referring to an acts from a sketch and I
Speaker 3: think you should leave. It's the sketch with the intervention
Speaker 3: for Tim Robinson that's in the Garfield house, you know
Speaker 3: where she's saying like, yeah, but it's a total party house.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I had to look this back up. That's fun
Speaker 2: It's a fun sketch, Yea. The actor I think you're
Speaker 2: referring to is Kate Burlant yea who she was born
Speaker 2: eighty seven, so she's actually younger than trancers.
Speaker 3: One. Wow, she's very funny in that sketch. By the way,
Speaker 3: we quoted all the time, you kind of quote were
Speaker 3: for the rest of the movie. We're kind of like
Speaker 3: pointing all around and you know, like she says all
Speaker 3: Garfield as she points it out to her friends. It's
Speaker 3: like all trancers. But anyway, so we get a transition
Speaker 3: to this whole other plot. And this whole other plot
Speaker 3: is unknown to Jack Death and Lena. Jack Death's wife
Speaker 3: from the future, Alice Stillwell, is also still in the
Speaker 3: past in the body of her ancestor, but she's trapped
Speaker 3: in this place run by Richard Lynch's people. It's this
Speaker 3: evil cult pseudo psychiatric hospital that is operated by New
Speaker 3: Slur's goons.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and actually the plot element here is kind of fun.
Speaker 2: I thought, I thought this was pretty creative. Is that
Speaker 2: since you you just kind of, you know, quantum leap
Speaker 2: back in time to your ancestor in the time period
Speaker 2: you're going to. Well, she was sent back to eighty five,
Speaker 2: but as it turns out, her ancestor was in a
Speaker 2: mental institution at the time, so she instantly was was
Speaker 2: trapped in the institution, and I imagine it was I
Speaker 2: guess exasperated by her claiming or acting like she was
Speaker 2: in herself. And then she wasn't able to get to
Speaker 2: her special watch with a long second, so she's just
Speaker 2: been lost this whole time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's a it's a major bummer. And then
Speaker 3: we meet we meet several characters here, so she's trapped
Speaker 3: in there. We meet Rabbit. Anything else we need to
Speaker 3: say about Rabbit, No, I mean, you know Rabbit. At
Speaker 3: this point, also we meet the villains Martin Beswick and
Speaker 3: what's his name, Jeffery Combs. They're just sitting around sort
Speaker 3: of looking judgmentally at everyone. Now, obviously this is not
Speaker 3: a real psychiatric hospital provide care to its patients. It
Speaker 3: is basically a transfer factory that is being run by
Speaker 3: Richard Lynch, and they're playing TVs of him, creepy talking
Speaker 3: at the patients all night long. You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we come to learn that basically his scheme here
Speaker 2: in the first film, we learned that you can't make
Speaker 2: a transfer out of like a strong willed person, right
Speaker 2: in order for Whistler or Whistler's brother to use their
Speaker 2: psychic power to turn you into this this zombie like thrall,
Speaker 2: you have to be kind of, you know, of a
Speaker 2: weakened state mentally. And so this whole operation, this transfer
Speaker 2: factory of transfer farm, is about weakening people like mentally
Speaker 2: with pharmaceuticals, we find out later, so that then he
Speaker 2: can easily control them and easily manipulate them and create
Speaker 2: like a transfer army.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. So Alice stages an escape from this facility
Speaker 3: while the orderly rabbit is busy having a midnight rendezvous
Speaker 3: with another orderly who I guess is his girlfriend. They're
Speaker 3: like hanging out to drink vodka mixed with orange soda. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it just looks pretty gross. I don't know. Maybe that's
Speaker 3: a drink some people have. I don't know it was.
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess it depends on the orange soda.
Speaker 2: Maybe you got a nice orange soda.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I guess, I don't know. It looked like
Speaker 3: one of those, like really neon, you know, the traffic
Speaker 3: cone orange soda.
Speaker 2: The perfect cocktail for drinking on the job in a
Speaker 2: broom closet at an unlicensed mental institution run by a
Speaker 2: cult leader.
Speaker 3: Right, so they're planning, I guess, to drink on the
Speaker 3: job and do no good, but they get interrupted by
Speaker 3: Alice's breakout, and then everybody gives chase and then Alice
Speaker 3: eventually she escapes I think, actually multiple times, but at
Speaker 3: some point she discovers the time machine, the TCL chamber.
Speaker 3: It's in a barn somewhere, But then she is captured
Speaker 3: and taken back to Whistler House, and then we cut
Speaker 3: back to our main character is Jack Death McNulty or
Speaker 3: magnulty in his ancestors body, Helen Hunt. They're all hanging
Speaker 3: around in this tent they've put up on the yard
Speaker 3: where they're supposed to receive the time machine. But there's
Speaker 3: a problem because it does and actually show up. They
Speaker 3: just get the door of it. So they obviously need
Speaker 3: to connect with Alice because she knows where the rest
Speaker 3: of the time machine is, and so they're standing around
Speaker 3: and then there's also just tons of This movie has
Speaker 3: a lot of scenes of characters explaining to each other
Speaker 3: things that the audience already knows from previous explaining scenes. Yes,
Speaker 3: but one of the funny things is in the scene
Speaker 3: you get to see the characters react. So McNulty explains
Speaker 3: to Jack Death and Helen Hunt that his wife is
Speaker 3: back here in the present, and an incredulous Helen Hunt
Speaker 3: is like, you have a wife. I thought she was
Speaker 3: dead and he's like, no, honey, I can explain she's
Speaker 3: dead in the future, but now she's alive in the past,
Speaker 3: which again was very funny. But they, yeah, they need
Speaker 3: her help to figure out where the time machine is,
Speaker 3: so they're trying to look into that. Meanwhile, Jack Death
Speaker 3: goes to investigate the landscaping company who sent trancers to
Speaker 3: HAPs house, and at first they deny knowing anything. They're like, no,
Speaker 3: I don't know. I think somebody stole our truck. That
Speaker 3: must have been them, not us. So we meet this
Speaker 3: red haired, burly guy with a beard, and then a
Speaker 3: forklift operator named Ramone who has an awesome outfit. He
Speaker 3: has like this striped sort of like what do you
Speaker 3: call the two third length sleeve T shirt with stripes,
Speaker 3: and it's tucked into his pants with a belt, and
Speaker 3: he's got cool boots. And so I loved Ramone and
Speaker 3: his outfit and I really wanted him to stick around.
Speaker 3: But alas, like most other characters you meet, turns out
Speaker 3: to be a trancer.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I'd say one of the big flaws in these films,
Speaker 2: and that didn't really take away from enjoyment, is that
Speaker 2: trancers are not really scary. They look kind of look
Speaker 2: kind of dumb, agreed.
Speaker 3: But so the tranfers attack him. There's a great forklift
Speaker 3: fight scene where they like pin him to a bunch
Speaker 3: of two by fours with a forklift, but he uses
Speaker 3: his long second watch to sort of get around behind
Speaker 3: them and defeat the trancers.
Speaker 2: Yep, yep, got to work in use of the gadget.
Speaker 3: But eventually, after all this, they find out that the Transfer,
Speaker 3: the Evil Transfer Factory, hospital, and landscaping company I think,
Speaker 3: are actually all run by the same organization, which is
Speaker 3: Richard Lynch's organization, which is Green World, a sadistic environmentalist
Speaker 3: transfer cult. And Helen Hunt does online research on her computer. Again,
Speaker 3: this is nineteen ninety one, so I don't know about this,
Speaker 3: but she's on her computer reading articles to discover that
Speaker 3: the director of the bad organization, the Green World, is
Speaker 3: one ed Wardo. And this is where they do the
Speaker 3: doctor Acula moment where they put everything together. But also
Speaker 3: she's describing the organization Green World, and she's like, they
Speaker 3: sell organic cookies, that kind of thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and yeah. The more we learn about Wardo's operation,
Speaker 2: it's it's it's I ended up enjoying this this quite
Speaker 2: a bit. Well, having a nice cult leader madman situation
Speaker 2: and that VHS tape that they keep playing where he's
Speaker 2: like using this to mind warp the thralls. It's it's actually,
Speaker 2: it's really good. It has this this loop to it
Speaker 2: where he's saying things like you belong in a green world.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, And when he gets interviewed by Barbara
Speaker 3: Crampton on TV later, it's hilarious because he's saying these
Speaker 3: things that are just obviously evil, but she's like, oh,
Speaker 3: that's nice. He's like, you know, we bring people to
Speaker 3: our facility and we cleanse them.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Those scenes with the there are two of them
Speaker 2: from that interview. Those are some of my, I think,
Speaker 2: my favorite parts of the film. And I think there's
Speaker 2: if there any DJs out there and you want some
Speaker 2: cool cryptic samples to put into your mix, look to
Speaker 2: this film and look to those scenes where Wardo is
Speaker 2: talking to the TV host, because there's there's some fun
Speaker 2: stuff in there.
Speaker 3: There's also a getting ready to fight montage, not montage,
Speaker 3: I don't know what you call it. Like the scene
Speaker 3: in the movie where like the hero suits up. Often
Speaker 3: they'll like put on their gun belt or something, but
Speaker 3: in this movie, it's not putting on the gun belt.
Speaker 3: It's it's Jack Death slicking his hair back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's one of the things as your Moves. They
Speaker 2: have that in the first film too, where the one
Speaker 2: of the first things he does when he inhabits his
Speaker 2: ancestors body is to find a nice like tin of
Speaker 2: palmate and start greasing back.
Speaker 3: He's a dapper dan man, he is so Jack Death. Eventually,
Speaker 3: a bunch of stuff happens. Jack Fath eventually ends up
Speaker 3: rescuing his other wife from the future from the Green
Speaker 3: World facility. It's kind of funny. He like rescues her
Speaker 3: while she's on like a gurney, and he like just
Speaker 3: loads the whole thing into his corvette while she's still
Speaker 3: attached to it, and then he unstraps her later after
Speaker 3: like they escape from the bad guys. But then there's
Speaker 3: this hilarious dialogue when they talk things through. It's like,
Speaker 3: are you who I think you are? Are you who
Speaker 3: I think you are? Still well? Alice b And then
Speaker 3: he goes, Welcome to old California, Alice, I'm your husband.
Speaker 3: Jack Death.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so stupid, it's kind of sweet.
Speaker 2: It is It's again. It's it's such a man boy
Speaker 2: movie in so many ways, but but it's too dumb
Speaker 2: and good hearted to really offend.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, A bunch of the middle section of the
Speaker 3: movie is concerned with basically two subplots. One is the
Speaker 3: time wives subplot, which is this marriage conflict because Helen Hunt,
Speaker 3: it seems, is not a fan of the fact that
Speaker 3: Jack Death now has two wives at the same time.
Speaker 3: And Jack Death's reaction to the situation is just this
Speaker 3: kind of I don't know, he's kind of furrowing his
Speaker 3: eyebrows inexpressibly frustrated, but at the same time kind of
Speaker 3: passive with this like what am I supposed to do
Speaker 3: kind of attitude, and his future wife keeps kissing him
Speaker 3: and he's clearly into it, and Helen Hunt doesn't like this.
Speaker 3: I think it seems clear that Jack Death would like
Speaker 3: if he could to marry both women.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I was trying to think deep
Speaker 2: and hard about this and like maybe it's you know,
Speaker 2: it's kind of like Jack Death is unstuck in time,
Speaker 2: you know, like he's you know, it's not so much
Speaker 2: as like she was my wife and you are my
Speaker 2: wife now. It's like you were both my wives and different.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Once you start traveling around in time
Speaker 2: gets screwy.
Speaker 3: There is a really great scene. This is one of
Speaker 3: the funny ones where Helen Hunt is like forced to
Speaker 3: deliver absolutely absurd dialogue there's a long one here where
Speaker 3: she has a scene with Jack Death and she's saying,
Speaker 3: I've had to handle a lot being married to someone
Speaker 3: from the future Jack, but two wives, And eventually there's
Speaker 3: also a confrontation between them where Alice from the future
Speaker 3: is telling Helen Hunt that, you know, basically she needs
Speaker 3: to step aside, and she's like, he needs me to
Speaker 3: defeat Wardo. I am a tranfer Hunter. All you bring
Speaker 3: to the party is stuff for Jack to worry about.
Speaker 3: And so eventually Helen Hunt leaves, she's had enough of
Speaker 3: this time wives confusion, and as she's about to leave,
Speaker 3: Alice says to her, I'm sorry, Lena, but you should
Speaker 3: have known better than to get involved with a man
Speaker 3: from the future.
Speaker 2: Again. Though, Helen Hunt is great in these scenes. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: she's believable. Yes, in these scenes with all this ridiculous dialogue.
Speaker 3: She I mean, she is a really good actress, and
Speaker 3: she sells it in a great way. She does not
Speaker 3: do a great job I think of convincingly portraying being
Speaker 3: in love with Jack Death.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, maybe not maybe not that, but everything.
Speaker 3: Else, I don't know. It's a tall order there. But
Speaker 3: then okay, so then There's another thing, which is that
Speaker 3: hap they keep talking about how he's getting back on
Speaker 3: quote the sauce, and so he begins drinking again, and
Speaker 3: as a result of drinking, he gets he gets baseball itis,
Speaker 3: like he becomes obsessed with playing baseball, and so he
Speaker 3: starts like he buys a bunch of liquor for a
Speaker 3: bunch of homeless guys and starts playing baseball with them,
Speaker 3: and they have to go find him and retrieve him.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's it's ridiculous but kind of funny at times.
Speaker 2: I don't know, hard to decide where I stand on it,
Speaker 2: but they go for it.
Speaker 3: So one of the best parts of the movie, as
Speaker 3: we mentioned, is when when ed Wardo goes on the
Speaker 3: Sadie Brady Show with Barbara Crampton and it's like this
Speaker 3: talk show where she's giving these I don't know, well,
Speaker 3: it's so many funny things about it. Number One, they're
Speaker 3: sitting in rolling office chairs with like you know, the
Speaker 3: casters on the bottom. Another thing is that Richard, so
Speaker 3: she asks questions like what do you say to allegations
Speaker 3: that you know, Green World is kidnapping people and turning
Speaker 3: them into mindless zombies, And he's like many people have
Speaker 3: had their lives destroyed by pollution. In our detox centers,
Speaker 3: we cleanse and purify these individuals. We give them a
Speaker 3: new mission in life so they can help us cleanse
Speaker 3: and purify the planet. It sounds legit, right, yeah. But
Speaker 3: so that's on TV and at some point Jack Death
Speaker 3: is watching that at the house, and then it cuts
Speaker 3: away from The Sadie Brady Show to show a trailer
Speaker 3: for Robot Jocks, except it's a movie called Crash and Burn. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I believe this is This is a follow up to
Speaker 2: Robot Jocks that was directed by Charles Band came out
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety, so he it's not just a subtle trailer,
Speaker 2: it's like a straight up here's the trailer. I think
Speaker 2: we mentioned this one in passing when we talked about
Speaker 2: Robot Jocks because this is the sequel that has Bill
Speaker 2: Moseley in it.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, yeah, yeah yeah. Now I think from here
Speaker 3: on out, I think maybe our summary should become a
Speaker 3: little more cursory so has not to spoil everything. But
Speaker 3: they realize, of course that Richard Lynch is growing drugs
Speaker 3: from the future in his greenhouse, and these drugs are
Speaker 3: called scurb seventy eight. I don't know how you spell scurb.
Speaker 3: I tried skerb. What do you think sounds good to me?
Speaker 3: These are the drugs he uses to make his transfer army,
Speaker 3: and eventually Helen Hunt, of course, is kidnapped by Richard
Speaker 3: Lynch and taken to Green World for let's say, in
Speaker 3: the parlance of Halloween three, final processing, and they have
Speaker 3: to stage a rescue mission. Everybody gets there to bust
Speaker 3: out Helen Hunt. Oh, and they also end up escaping
Speaker 3: with Rabbit, who takes their side, but who is tragically
Speaker 3: killed in the getaway. And when Rabbit died, I think
Speaker 3: I cried out. I was like, no, you can't do
Speaker 3: that to Rabbit.
Speaker 2: I mean, on one level, we know he's gonna be
Speaker 2: back in the Full Moon universe. But I also like
Speaker 2: to think that that in the future they will realize
Speaker 2: that Rabbit made the ultimate sacrifice to save them, and
Speaker 2: so Rabbit will. They'll be just massive statues of Rabbit
Speaker 2: smiling maniacally. Yeah, but this is all leading to the
Speaker 2: final battle, of course, the final showdown.
Speaker 3: Right. They end up in the barn that is housing
Speaker 3: the time machine that can send the physical body back
Speaker 3: to the future because Alice from the future knew where
Speaker 3: that was. There's a big shootout final scene there. There's
Speaker 3: in a kind of fun way. I don't think this
Speaker 3: final battle is all that great, except the low tech
Speaker 3: saves the day. Like they end up sort of defeating
Speaker 3: the transfers with like a tractor and a pitchfork and
Speaker 3: things like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for a final battle between time cops and a
Speaker 2: zombie thrall creating psychic Mastermind and his goons, it's pretty straightforward.
Speaker 3: But then there's sort of time travel to the rescue
Speaker 3: at the end. They use the Dais Makina of time travel. Actually,
Speaker 3: you know what, to be fair, it's not a Day
Speaker 3: six macina because it's set up by the rest of
Speaker 3: the film. It's not like out of nowhere. They use
Speaker 3: the mechanics of time travel to resolve the character tension,
Speaker 3: because what's it going to be? You know, Jack Death
Speaker 3: has two wives and he kind of wants it to
Speaker 3: be married to both wives, but ultimately he decides, no,
Speaker 3: I'm only going to stay married to Helen Hunt to
Speaker 3: my wife from the past, and I'm going to stay
Speaker 3: here in the past. And Alice, his wife in the future,
Speaker 3: she's going to instead of seruming back into her original
Speaker 3: body in the future and then getting murdered, She's going
Speaker 3: to travel into the future in the TCL chamber in
Speaker 3: her nineteen ninety one body, so that she can't be
Speaker 3: murdered in the way that she originally would have been.
Speaker 3: Though that would seem to create a paradox because if
Speaker 3: she talks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, something in this film creates a paradox.
Speaker 3: Because if she travels back to the future in that body,
Speaker 3: how can that body become her ancestor?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, yes, yes, this is the Transfers franchise.
Speaker 2: I think is very much a paradox free time travel
Speaker 2: system where yeah, again you have.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be fine, It's.
Speaker 2: All going to work out. I don't think too hard
Speaker 2: about it. In fact, I think I think he even
Speaker 2: says something to that effect at one point. He's like,
Speaker 2: it'll work out fine. Somebody has a question about time
Speaker 2: Travel's like, it's fine, it works.
Speaker 3: It works. If you're wondering how they eat and breathe
Speaker 3: in other science facts, you know, it's it's transfers.
Speaker 2: Just relax, all right, well that's Transfers too. I myself
Speaker 2: look forward to watching Transfers three, who knows what'll it'll
Speaker 2: it'll consist of.
Speaker 3: I think we're going to go deep into the transfer sequels,
Speaker 3: and you know what, if they're worthy of discussion, we
Speaker 3: will discuss them.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Otherwise maybe I'll mention it in passing. I don't know.
Speaker 2: We'll see. Now you may be wondering where can I
Speaker 2: see Transfers and Transfers too? For myself, Well, I will
Speaker 2: say that the full Moon Features channel is a great
Speaker 2: hookup in the department. You can subscribe to this on iPhone, Apple, TV, Android, Roku,
Speaker 2: Xbox one, all the things. Plus it's also a channel
Speaker 2: on Prime. That's how I ended up watching it. Full
Speaker 2: Moon is not a sponsor. I want to be clear
Speaker 2: on that. I'm just telling you how you can potentially
Speaker 2: watch the movie. Transfers two is also highly available for
Speaker 2: digital renter purchase as well as on Blu Ray and Joe.
Speaker 2: Where did you watch this gym of a film?
Speaker 3: Oh? I watched this on tub.
Speaker 2: All right, so you can go to tub and watch
Speaker 2: it as well. At one point, Full Moon put out
Speaker 2: Transers the Ultimate Death Collection, which was a five disc
Speaker 2: set that did not include Transfer six because I guess
Speaker 2: it wasn't out yet. But one thing. Say what you
Speaker 2: will about Full Moon. They get the product out there,
Speaker 2: they make it available. They're even like remastering stuff. I noticed.
Speaker 2: So Full Moon fans are in luck.
Speaker 3: Okay, if they want me on the hook for Transfer seven,
Speaker 3: I'm going to need some of the cast of Transfers
Speaker 3: two to return.
Speaker 2: I think Helen Hunt should come back, you know why not?
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, she didn't need to come back at
Speaker 2: this point, But what if they if they got a
Speaker 2: good enough screenplay together, which could happen you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: it could work. She could even be the main transfer
Speaker 2: We don't, I mean, I don't know what happens to
Speaker 2: her character. Again, I haven't seen three yet or the
Speaker 2: subsequent films. But with time travel, anything as possible. You know,
Speaker 2: whatever you need in the Transfers universe verse can be
Speaker 2: provided by the multiple paradox free time travel systems in place.
Speaker 3: What if one of her descendants becomes a villain in
Speaker 3: the future and then has to has to see them
Speaker 3: back into her body to be a villain in the past.
Speaker 2: Sure, let's do it.
Speaker 3: I think that's that's my pitch. If that wasn't already
Speaker 3: Transfers for Death and Taxes.
Speaker 2: Yes, all right, obviously, we'd love to hear from everyone
Speaker 2: out there. Did you know have you seen the Transfers films?
Speaker 2: Did you watch the first any I would love to
Speaker 2: hear from someone who saw Transfers one in the theater?
Speaker 2: What was that like? Do you remember seeing these films
Speaker 2: in your video rental store?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 2: What are some death related titles you can imagine for
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