1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,520 Speaker 1: If you need advice on love, I'll tell you who 2 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: to go to. Two thousand year old dead guys. 3 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 2: It's one more thing, one more thing. 4 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: I remember you mentioned this headline the other day and 5 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 1: I went digging into the story and there's an even 6 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: longer version of this. But I mean, it's like a 7 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:21,600 Speaker 1: scholarly paper. But I found this so. 8 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:24,279 Speaker 3: Compelling and amusing. 9 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: One one difference between conservatives and progressives, generally speaking, is 10 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: that there's an if you if you want to read 11 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: like smart people talking about this read Thomas Soule's The 12 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:40,239 Speaker 1: Conflict of Visions. But people on the progressive end of 13 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:44,559 Speaker 1: things often think human beings can be changed fundamentally, we 14 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: can reshape humanity according to our desires, whereas conservatives think, 15 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: no people have been people. Human nature has not changed 16 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: in thousands of years, just what surrounds us has. And 17 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: I fervently agree with the you know, latter point of view. 18 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 1: I'm sure you're not surprised to hear that. But this, 19 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: this story about ancient dating tips, is so perfect, partly 20 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: because it illustrates the point I was going to make. 21 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 3: There was dating two thousand years ago. 22 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, as this makes clear. I mean, I'm sure, 23 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 1: the rituals and traditions were different. But so you got 24 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: the Roman poet Ovid who lived H B C. That's oh, 25 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: that's so you don't have to reference Jesus A, D 26 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: and B C. 27 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 3: Right before common era. Yeah that people didn't like. 28 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:45,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's go ahead. 29 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 3: People didn't like Christ in their BC. 30 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: So right. He actually spanned the life of Jesus interestingly 31 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: enough during his life, But the Roman Roman poet Ovid 32 00:01:55,680 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: wrote a poem called The Art of Love in Latin 33 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: rs Amatoria. In it, he offered advice for singles. First, 34 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 1: he says, you should make an effort to find someone 35 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: you're interested in. Interested in quote, your lover will not 36 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: come floating down to you through the tenuous air. She 37 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: must be sought. 38 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 3: Wow, that's a good one. You're not gonna run into 39 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 3: mister Wright or missus Wright sitting here in the living 40 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 3: room watching television. 41 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 1: Right, Get out there, meet people, do stuff. Ancient advice 42 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: hasn't changed in Iota. This has suitable places to find 43 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 1: a lover. Ovid recommends walking in Porticos. Oh, the number 44 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 1: of hobbies I've met in Porticos. 45 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 3: I thought he was gonna say, go watch some Christians 46 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 3: get eaten by lions. Lots of hot chicks there, mott 47 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 3: and gold running chicks. 48 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:50,079 Speaker 1: Wow, look the lion is pull the guy's leg off. 49 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:52,920 Speaker 1: What do you think of that? You're pretty good looking? Uh? 50 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: Walk in portcos or gardens, attend the theater, or surprisingly enough, 51 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 1: linger near law courts for some reason, I don't catch 52 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: a DVA or say I don't know. 53 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 3: Uh. 54 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 1: And he says you need to catch someone's eye and 55 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: then invent an excuse to talk with them. 56 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 3: Oh wow, Wow, I'm telling you I've always been really 57 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 3: good at that, inventing a reason to talk to someone. 58 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: Oh, I'm terrible at it. 59 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 2: Uh. 60 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:22,359 Speaker 1: Seek your lover in the daytime, advises Ovid. Be careful 61 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: of the night. You won't choose the right person if 62 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: you're drunk. 63 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 2: Wow, geez. 64 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:30,639 Speaker 3: And you can't. 65 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: See their face properly if it's too dark, they might 66 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: not be as good looking as. 67 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 2: You. 68 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: Combine a little labooze with a little dark, and you 69 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: know you'd wake up next to god knows what goggles. Yeah, exactly. Wow, 70 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: there's more. Ovid says you need to look presentable. Make 71 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 1: sure your clothes are clean, you have a good haircut, 72 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: can yourself your tunic. 73 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 2: A nice, well stop tunic draws the female eye like 74 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 2: nothing else. 75 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 1: Moreover it, keep yourself groomed properly at all times, he says, 76 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: and this is a quote, it's translated obviously, but do 77 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: not let your nails project talk about them, be free 78 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: of dirt, talking about your toenails because you were in 79 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: sandals and your fingernails or let nor evidently he was 80 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: a real stickler. Nor let any hair be in the 81 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:23,479 Speaker 1: hollow of your nostrils. 82 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:27,039 Speaker 2: Wow, I appreciate these tips. 83 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's modern. I think that's a must eyes. I'm 84 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 3: surprised that back in the day, pre some of the 85 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 3: mechanical devices we have now, that they had the ability 86 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 3: to deal with nose hair. Stick it up there and 87 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:50,159 Speaker 3: this one. 88 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:55,239 Speaker 1: Let not the breath of your mouth be sour and unpleasing, amen. 89 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 3: I wonder what they used to freshen their breath. I 90 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 3: wonder how they trimmed their nose hair. Did they yank 91 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 3: them out ow? 92 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 1: The only insight I have on that first question is 93 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: a scene from the movie Aladdin, which I think we're 94 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 1: not supposed to like anymore because it included Arab stereotypes. 95 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 1: But at one point a vendor says to Aladdin, some 96 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: sweet dates for sweet breath. 97 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:27,239 Speaker 3: Oh you know, or maybe a chew on a mint leaf. 98 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: I don't know, let's see. He suggests, if you're having 99 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:35,039 Speaker 1: no luck, you can use a match maker. 100 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 2: Really. 101 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:41,479 Speaker 1: The Athenian writer Xenophon, who is like way before the 102 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 1: birth of Jesus, says people were sometimes victims of deception 103 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: in the matchmaking process. The matchmaker was just more into 104 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: earning their commission than a good match. 105 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 3: Folks. 106 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 2: Human nature does not change. 107 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 3: Yeah sematch dot com. 108 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. So the ancients recognize being not being in 109 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: love can be a problem. They thought it was bad 110 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: for your mental and physical health, but also for society 111 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: more broadly. For instance, the Roman writer Claudius Alien two 112 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 1: or three centuries ce. Oh, that's like post Jesus, in 113 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 1: his major publication that historians know about say soldiers who 114 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: are in love will fight better than soldiers who are 115 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: not in love. Absolutely quote, in the heat of battle, 116 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:30,919 Speaker 1: when war brings men into combat, a man who is 117 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 1: not in love could not match one who is. The 118 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 1: man untouched by love avoids and runs away from the 119 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:40,239 Speaker 1: man who loves as if he were an outsider, uninitiated 120 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: into the God's rights and his bravery depends on his 121 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 1: character and physical strength. 122 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:48,280 Speaker 3: No doubt. But that's interesting that they recognized that. At 123 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:50,159 Speaker 3: the time, you got something to fight for. 124 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: Something to protect, and the Spartans believe that so fervently. 125 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: They had a punishment for men who did not have 126 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: a mate. Any man of good appearance and character who 127 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:03,720 Speaker 1: did not fall in love with someone well bred was 128 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: also fined because despite his excellence, he did not love anyone. 129 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 1: Lover's affection for their beloved has a remarkable power of 130 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 1: stimulating the virtues. 131 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 3: I was about to say, me in high school, I 132 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 3: get punished, but it said of good appearance or character. 133 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 3: They'd say, yeah, you don't have anybody, but we understand, 134 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 3: so we get it. I'm just going to put you 135 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 3: on parole. Yeah, everybody else gets it. 136 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: During the radio show, we were talking about a couple 137 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: of prominent mainstream Democrats had branded gen Z is the 138 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 1: useful idiot generation and the youthful radicalism that a lot 139 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: of people have is not changing among them because they 140 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: don't have a mate, they don't have a family, they 141 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 1: live their lives online, that sort of thing, And it 142 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: hadn't even occurred to me wha what Claudius, Alien and 143 00:07:56,440 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 1: the Spartans were talking about, even though I've served it 144 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: many times in my own life, and I will speak 145 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 1: mostly for men. For a man, a good man, the 146 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: desire to not disappoint his woman is the most powerful 147 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 1: motivator that's ever existed on earth. In my opinion, speaking 148 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: for myself and a lot of guys, I know, because 149 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: we would have been willing to be dipshits till the 150 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: day we died, it is done. 151 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 3: Some we least well a mattress on the floor in 152 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 3: the living room till the day I die, right, at 153 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 3: least get cold in that direction. 154 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, not to mention, you know. You just you 155 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 1: want to be admired by the person you love. And 156 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:48,839 Speaker 1: we've lost a lot of that as a society, which 157 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: is interesting. When people are in love, they can inspire 158 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: each other and bring out the best in one another, 159 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. 160 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 3: Claudius over there, who smells like a goat, breath like 161 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 3: a dragon, and his dirty toenails sticking out over his sandals, 162 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 3: No wonder, you're alone. Claudius can't can't fight worth a 163 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 3: damn either. 164 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:12,839 Speaker 1: Let's see. Then they talk about your nosehairs. 165 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 3: Good Lord, God, braid that stuff. It's like you inhaled 166 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:20,079 Speaker 3: a bear. Shit. 167 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 1: Then they talk about the conflicts of love. For example, 168 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 1: the Roman orator and politician Marcus Tullius Cicero, the Great. Cicero, 169 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 1: one of the great thinkers of all time, tells how 170 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: Gaius Memius, Roman tribune of the year eleven, apparently took 171 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 1: out a took a bite out of his love rival's 172 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: arm quote when he had a quarrel with him at 173 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 1: Racina over a girlfriend. You know, all the fascinating stuff 174 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: we wish we knew about the ancient world that's been lost. 175 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: But this guy's Hey, do you hear about Gius? 176 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 2: He took a bite. 177 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,959 Speaker 1: Out of some dude's arm over a girl. That has 178 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: been preserved. Well, let's see some ways to keep one's 179 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: lover interested that are mentioned in ancient sources. Back to 180 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:11,679 Speaker 1: our main theme, is includes showing off one's wealth. Wait 181 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: a minute, In the ancient world, being wealthy and successful 182 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 1: would help you land a girl. 183 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 3: Hmmm, yeah, so you got the coolest chariot in town. 184 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 3: Huh right, See these are round wheels. It's a new thing. 185 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:26,679 Speaker 3: Only the rich guys haven't. 186 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 1: In one of the plays of the poet Alexis, a 187 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 1: young man who is in love puts on a large 188 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 1: banquet to impress his girlfriend with a display of wealth. 189 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:37,079 Speaker 1: Engagements were at that time sometimes canceled if it turned 190 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: out the husband was too poor and had misrepresented his wealth. 191 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he pretended he had his one hundred dollars 192 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 3: whatever coin they used on top, and then underneath it. It 193 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:49,959 Speaker 3: was all once. 194 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: This was one of my favorites. And of course things 195 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 1: did not always work out, and people had grievances against 196 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 1: their exes. One particularly famous invective was from the poet Marshall, 197 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: again around the time of Jesus, to a woman called Mania. 198 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: I think I'm pronouncing that right. This is the quote 199 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: from his poem Mania. Your little dog licks your face 200 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 1: and lips small. Wonder that a dog likes eating dung? 201 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 3: Wow? 202 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 1: Geez, that's oohow dude, dude, hang out of your dignity. Look, 203 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: she's just not bad into you. You don't have to 204 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: call her old dungface. 205 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 2: Man. 206 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: I wonder your little dog licks your face because you're 207 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: made of poop? Whatkay, Marshall, that's not good? And then 208 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: why don't we make this the last note, this is 209 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: so good and again I rested my case a while ago. 210 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: But ifing double rested now that human nature does not change. 211 00:11:52,240 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 1: Fourth Century before Christ a play by era forus. It's 212 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: it's oh, that's the century. 213 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 3: I'm sorry. 214 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 1: It's by Menander, the Pope Menander. 215 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:07,679 Speaker 3: The title is the pipe Girl. 216 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 1: One character says, if you haven't got any since, you 217 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: won't get married. 218 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:15,559 Speaker 2: I married my I'm married myself, which is why I'm 219 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:19,679 Speaker 2: telling you not to. So it's just a Rodney. 220 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 1: Danger Field don't get married. I am trust me. 221 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 3: That time reminds me of a good Rodney Dangerfield joke. 222 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 3: But it's it's dirt too dirty. Tell it the podcast. 223 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 3: It's coarse well cat. 224 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 1: In, gentlemen, God, ladies, and gentlemen. If you don't hear 225 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: the joke, Jack is referred to in the podcast, it's 226 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 1: because we've decided it's too horrified. 227 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 3: Okay, because his nightclub act was dirtier than like what 228 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:56,959 Speaker 3: he did on TV and stuff. Obviously, Oh yeah, yeah, 229 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:58,559 Speaker 3: my wife and I we got a lot of common. Huh, 230 00:12:58,600 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 3: we got a lot of common. I don't like giving 231 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 3: low jobs either. Yeah, he didn't do that on Carson. 232 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 3: I suggest cutting that from the past, a green lighted well, 233 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 3: I guess that's it.