1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Steph. 2 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: I never told your production of I Heeart Radio. And 3 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: welcome to a new segment. We've been teasing this one 4 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: for a while. I think we've had this idea for 5 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: like two years and we haven't really done it. But 6 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 1: welcome to Spoil Saturdays, which will probably be at once 7 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 1: a month thing where we just to have a conversation 8 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: about a piece of media, perhaps new and perhaps not, 9 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 1: and we're gonna totally spoil you on it, um, and 10 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 1: we're just gonna have It's gonna be a bit more conversational, 11 00:00:55,680 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: but there's still plenty of of research to go around. Uh. 12 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: And yes, you're ears not see few as this comes out. 13 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: It is a Saturday and we are talking about Doctor 14 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 1: Strange the Multiverse of Madness, which yes, we have been 15 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:19,400 Speaker 1: hinting at pieces teases for many weeks. I think it's true. 16 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: It's true. Um, we're very excited about it and actually 17 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 1: doing the research for this one, which I did do 18 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: the research. I've determined we need to do an episode 19 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: on Medusa, also a revisit on bad Mothers in horror 20 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: movies in the wake of Roe v. Wade because I 21 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,400 Speaker 1: found a very deep essay about this movie and that, 22 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: and I was like, that's too much for what we're 23 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: going to talk about in this, but we should come 24 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: back and revisit that. Okay, Yeah, yeah, So basically I 25 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: think this will probably switch off. Sometimes Samantha will take 26 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: the lead and sometimes I'll take the lead. But in 27 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: this one, I'm going to run down the plot and 28 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: then we're just going to discuss. But this is a 29 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: very fairly recent movie. So if you haven't seen it 30 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:08,079 Speaker 1: and you don't want to be spoiled, here's rewarding. It's 31 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: in the title Spoiled Saturday. So then come back, yes, 32 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: because we got a lot to talk about and I'm 33 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: very excited about it. All right. So plot wise, this 34 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:22,519 Speaker 1: is a two movie in Phase four of the Marvel 35 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: Cinematic Universe, also known as the m c U. Is 36 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: directed by Sam Ramy, written by Michael Waldron, and it 37 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: starts Benedict Cumberbatch reprising his role as Doctor Strange, Elizabeth 38 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 1: Olsen as Wanda Slash Scarlet, which Benedict Wong as Wong, 39 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 1: Just Watcho Gomez as America Chavez, and a whole host 40 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 1: of cameos from Schwetel G four, Rachel McAdams, John Krasinski, 41 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 1: Haley Atwell, Latasha Lynch, and Patrick Stewart. Uh huh um, okay, 42 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 1: So the plot very briefly. The movie opens on a 43 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: different version of Doctor Strange working with America, trying to 44 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: get their hands on the Book of Ashanti, and they 45 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:07,920 Speaker 1: are trying to escape what appears to be a multidimensional demon. Uh. Yeah, 46 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 1: that's that's how we start, everybody, so hold on, um. 47 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:15,359 Speaker 1: Things go wrong and Doctor Strange tries to kill America, 48 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: that is killed himself. America uses her verse jumping power 49 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 1: to get out. She can jump between universes and arrives 50 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:29,359 Speaker 1: in our universe, Earth six one six. Meanwhile, our doctor 51 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 1: Strange wakes from a nightmare, having witnessed what just happened. 52 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: He shakes it off and prepares for Christine's, who is 53 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: his ex his her wedding. The wedding is interrupted by 54 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: a big demon attacking and Doctor Strange and Ravines. Realizing 55 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: that the creature is after America. America tells Wong and 56 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: Doctor Strange she is being hunted because of her power 57 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: to jump through the multiverse, and that the body of 58 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: the Doctor Strange that died that we saw at the 59 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: beginning is stashed on the roof of the Kedom. And 60 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: also all dreams are mirrors of other realities. Al right, whatever. Anyway, 61 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 1: Doctor Strange seeks out the guidance of Wanda maximum Slash, 62 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: the Scarlet Witch, who has sort of become a hermit 63 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 1: after the death of her love Vision and her children 64 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 1: that she created in in Westview that they were raised. 65 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: So if you haven't seen Wanda Vision, this is very confusing. 66 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 1: And this was definitely the first time I thought, Wow, 67 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: if you haven't seen that previous Marvel thing, then I 68 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 1: don't know what you're doing right now, Like you probably 69 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: are very confused. Um, and yes, I also didn't really 70 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 1: care about Vision and Wanda's relationship or the kids. And 71 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: I blame Marvel because they aren't particularly good with relationships 72 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 1: and especially women are relationships. But I just never bought it. Anyway. Uh, 73 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: turns out Wanda is the one who is hunting America surprise, 74 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 1: and she wants America's powers in order to be with 75 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: her kids in another universe, but also the power to 76 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:05,280 Speaker 1: jump between universes in case something goes wrong, like if 77 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: they get sick, maybe in another universe they have the 78 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 1: cure to whatever is ailing them, which involves Wanda killing America. Okay, 79 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 1: so Wanda Warren's Strange not to stop her, that she 80 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: will get what she wants no matter the cost, because 81 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 1: she is I don't matter. Um. It is very briefly 82 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: explained that she acquired the Dark Hold, which is this 83 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: kind of evil grim More book, and it has corrupted her. 84 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: But they breathe by that point pretty quickly. More on now. Later, 85 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:36,919 Speaker 1: Strange refuses to give up Chavez, and they, along with 86 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: many other sorcerers, including the sorcerer Supreme Wong, take refuge 87 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: in car Martage. Wanda attacks, telling Strange this is her 88 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 1: being reasonable. She demolishes Cammartage and kills violently. I might 89 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: add many sorcerers. Terrified America accidentally sends her and Strange 90 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 1: to Earth eight three eight, which, by the way, if 91 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 1: it wasn't clear, America it doesn't really have control over 92 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 1: powers because they're tied to a lot of trauma for her. 93 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:09,720 Speaker 1: In Earth eight, Strange is dead. Their Strange is dead, 94 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 1: but lauded as a hero. However, our version of doctor 95 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: Strange and Chavez are captured by Christine and Karl Mondo 96 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:21,720 Speaker 1: and Strange is brought before the Illuminati. Um, so that's 97 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:26,480 Speaker 1: Karl Mondo, Peggy Carter as Captain Carter, Black, Aguar Boltigan, 98 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: uh Maria Rambo, Read Richards, and Professor X basically an 99 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:36,919 Speaker 1: alternative ventures and they explained that their version of doctor 100 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: Strange triggered a universe destroying incursion by recklessly by recklessly 101 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 1: using the Dark Hole to defeat Thanos. On Santos was defeated, 102 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: the Illuminati killed Doctor Strange and line to the world 103 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:53,600 Speaker 1: about what happened, touting him as a hero to hide 104 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 1: the truth. Morto in particular, thanks any version of doctor 105 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: Strange is too dangerous and should be killed old. So 106 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: while this is happening, Wanda from our world forces Wong 107 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: to lead her to Mount Wondergoer so she can dream 108 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 1: walk in the version of her living in Earth eight 109 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: through eight, happily raising her kids, essentially hijacking that Wanda's body. 110 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: Um and this was after she killed another sorcerer for 111 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: destroying the Dark Hold. So our Wanda arrives at the 112 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: Illuminati headquarters before they can pass judgment on Strange and 113 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: violently kills all of them but Morto, who was engaged 114 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: in a fight with Strange Chavez, Strange, and Christine Palmer 115 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: from that world are able to escape Wanda, and they 116 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: enter the space between universes to find the mythical Book 117 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: of Ashanti, believed to be the opposite of the Dark Hold. However, 118 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 1: Wanda destroys it, captures America, and uses her power to 119 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: send Strange and Christine to a universe in the midst 120 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: of an incursion. In this universe, their version of doctor 121 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: Strange allowed things to quote get a little out of hand. 122 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: The two fight after our version of doctor Strange refuses 123 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 1: to give him Christine, and our Strange is eventually victorious. 124 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: He dream walks into the corpse of the other version 125 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: of himself left on our Earth, and with the help 126 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: of Wan, he frees Chavez and convinces her that she 127 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: can control her power and defeat Scarlett Witch. Chavez does 128 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: so by jumping them both back to Earth eight three 129 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: eight and showing that Wanda children, Uh, basically, look what 130 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 1: this monster. Look at this Wanda monster. She's terrifying. Your 131 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 1: children are so scared of you. Right, and our Wanda 132 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 1: experiences a change of heart after the three eight Wanda 133 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 1: promises her the children will be loved are Wanda destroys 134 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 1: all versions of the Dark Hold across the multiverse, seemingly 135 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:54,959 Speaker 1: dying in the process. Um everyone goes back to their 136 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 1: correct universe, apart from Chavez, who accidentally sent her parents 137 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 1: to a different universe as a child and has been 138 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 1: traumatized yes around her power ever since. Chevez begins training 139 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 1: with other sorcerers at Cammertage. Doctor Strange grows a third 140 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: eye due to his interaction with the Dark Cold. He 141 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: is approached by a sorceress who tells him he triggered 142 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: an incursion, and he follows her into the Dark dimension. 143 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 1: Then the probably not Yeah, So I wanted to open 144 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 1: this before we get into some themes about your initial 145 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: thoughts and reactions. Well, I obviously texted you or may 146 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: have called you, or maybe I don't remember what it 147 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: was face to face. Who knows, Because I was like, 148 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:53,479 Speaker 1: why did they do this to Wanda? This seems so unnecessary. 149 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 1: I have a lot of questions. Of course, I know 150 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,079 Speaker 1: there's a lot to do with canon Um and that 151 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 1: it did exist and it happened this way to a 152 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 1: certain extent. Of course, Sam Raymie, who is dragged me 153 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: to Hell and the other Spider Man fame has a 154 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:10,199 Speaker 1: lot of like on his shoulders and dragged Me to 155 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 1: Hell was very present in this entire movie. So I 156 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 1: know this is supposed to be their first foray into horror, 157 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:21,319 Speaker 1: maybe second, because I guess, uh, Moon Night was supposed 158 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 1: to be kind of that jump in the horror world 159 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 1: as well, So I get that that's what it's supposed 160 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: to be. I just felt like they demonized her so hardcore, 161 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 1: who was one of the only few remaining women in 162 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: this league at all these Avengers, and while most of 163 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: them had heroic endings, we don't have that heroic ending here. 164 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: And even with her death, it's so minimized that no 165 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: one talks about it. It's the same as obviously Black Widow, 166 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:59,439 Speaker 1: where it was just like so minimized, Like what is happening? 167 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:02,680 Speaker 1: Maybe they're coming back, So that's my only thoughts, Like 168 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: are they coming back? So they're not making it a 169 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: big deal. I don't understand. And why is it that 170 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: their only redemption in their dark past has to be death. 171 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: We're gonna break down a lot of that as we 172 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: go through this, because people have written about this, people 173 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:21,319 Speaker 1: have thoughts and feelings about it. I will say when 174 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: I saw it. I liked some aspects of like the style, 175 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 1: but overall again I was like, yeah, where where did 176 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: this come from? And I feel like they didn't give 177 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 1: I could have told you, I think when we were texting, 178 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 1: when we first we both first saw it separately, I 179 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 1: couldn't have told you for sure she died, and like 180 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: she should have had all her questions. It should have 181 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 1: been a bigger deal. Huh. She just no, she's she's 182 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 1: not here. Nope, that's all he says. That's all he says. 183 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 1: I find it so fascinating that this is the route 184 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: they had to tell Ache and again camping the magic 185 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: of editing, um time or whatever, because it's still a 186 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:10,319 Speaker 1: long movie that it seems so unnecessary. But the parental 187 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:14,199 Speaker 1: bonding that we see between Doctor Strange and America as 188 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:17,599 Speaker 1: wells like, okay, he gets the redemptive arc, and she's 189 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: correct like in saying why do you get to do 190 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: these things? And both those like you changed, you change reality, 191 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: You didn't have to face any consequences. Oh you did 192 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 1: the dark hold You're okay? How because is it because 193 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 1: you're a man with good intentions that you were able 194 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: to which, according to what we saw from one division. 195 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: She got the dark hold with good intentions taking away 196 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: from Agatha because Agatha had so much more like evil intentions. 197 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 1: That just seems kind of odd. Yes it is, and 198 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: that was something that definitely stuck out to me and 199 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 1: a lot of people about it seems with women in 200 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 1: Marvel Universe, if you get too much power, you have 201 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:10,439 Speaker 1: to go or you have to have some and or 202 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 1: you have to have some hang up around children, right, which, 203 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: by the way, can we talk about because even if 204 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 1: I'm trying to excuse, like are they do they have 205 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 1: a propensity to be more evil. Yeah, I'm trying to 206 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,079 Speaker 1: really think deep on this because she has a lot 207 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: of vengeance in our hearts and that's what she started with, 208 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 1: was a lot love for our family, but vengeance in 209 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: our heart because you know, all her family and her 210 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 1: home was destroyed. We know that's the beginning of Wanda. 211 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: But Dr Strange wasn't asked. It was all about himself 212 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 1: and was selfish as hell. But yeah, he's redeemed, yes, yes, 213 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 1: And this comes back to conversations We've had a lot 214 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 1: around how much more willing we are to forgive male characters, 215 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 1: but also like as creators, I think give male characters 216 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: those arcs because she is essentially been stuck in a 217 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 1: cycle of trauma since we've known her. UM, she has 218 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 1: been traumatized and manipulated and used and punished by the Avengers. 219 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:18,680 Speaker 1: We're supposed to be her teammates. But a lot of 220 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: them were like, no, will imprison you. And this is 221 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: another instance where like it seems no one thought to 222 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 1: reach out to her, check in on her, or like 223 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 1: maybe give her some kinda we can talk this through, 224 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 1: Like maybe you couldn't have. But no one before it 225 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: reached to this point has talked. They didn't come to 226 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 1: her until after they needed her right exactly exactly. Uh. 227 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: And so I did as I wanted to. I did 228 00:14:56,480 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 1: research this, and I found so many articles about how 229 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 1: it did not bow and become a feminist propaganda piece, 230 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: which I thought was interesting. One of them I think 231 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 1: was satirical, but I couldn't tell, Like maybe they were saying, 232 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 1: Hollywood feminist is not a good feminist. I don't know, 233 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 1: But anyway, I saw a lot of that. UM. And 234 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: in case you didn't, if you forgot or you missed it, 235 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 1: the trailers advertised the movie in a very different way. Um. 236 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 1: It was advertised as a continuation of both Wanda and 237 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 1: Doctor Stranger's stories, but instead want to regressed and Doctor 238 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: Strange progressed as a character and a parent. I mean, 239 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if they brought her back, but 240 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 1: we're left to believe she's just right and I know, 241 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 1: and we'll probably talk about it a little bit. Like 242 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: her reaction to Pete. Fans reaction was like, no, no, 243 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 1: this is exactly what I wanted. This is what was 244 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 1: supposed to happen. I don't know what's that a contract ended? 245 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: Did they not negotiate? She has a Some people think 246 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: it's like a fake or like some way to mislead people, 247 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 1: but she has a seven year contract with the m 248 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: C you and Disney from here. Uh, but they don't 249 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 1: know if like maybe that was just a false dreamer 250 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: that was planted to mislead us. I know, I did 251 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 1: think I want to include this. So this is from 252 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 1: Collider where they were commenting on the women in this movie, 253 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: and they wrote the characterization of those women, however, is 254 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: not much of a triumph. They fall into the categories 255 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: of the damsel in distress, the evil which in the 256 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 1: love interest, which I thought was very interesting, and we're 257 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 1: going to go through each of those, but definitely one 258 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 1: of the biggest themes in this movie was motherhood. It 259 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 1: came out on Mother's Day weekend Multiverse of Madness stance 260 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 1: for Mom. I don't know if they did it on purpose, 261 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: but I think that they did. Uh. And this got 262 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 1: me thinking of Sad Murder Mom after we did our 263 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: Sad Murder Dad episode and we talked about that. In 264 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 1: that episode of like Sad Murder Dad, I feel like 265 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: gets so much credit for Bud. He's trying and he 266 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 1: cares so much. Sad Murder Mom were like she's terrible 267 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 1: and she has to go well. Like the entire thing 268 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:11,199 Speaker 1: with Sad Murder Dad is typically like we're bringing I 269 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: want to bring him back in. I want to tell 270 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:15,880 Speaker 1: him I'm sorry. I'm going to save them. But this 271 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 1: whole movie was like I'm gonna kill myself essentially my 272 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:22,879 Speaker 1: own character, and I don't care who else dies to 273 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 1: get to the children. So much different than like I'm 274 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 1: protecting the children. It's not because she's protecting those because 275 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 1: she wants them. Two different storylines. Yeah, yeah, and that's 276 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:40,160 Speaker 1: kind of the heartbreaking thing. Um for me is Sam 277 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: Rainy apparently didn't watch one definition. Uh he watched, he said, 278 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: key moments. That makes me angry. Why did he get that? 279 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not trying to lay. I'm not a 280 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:56,679 Speaker 1: gatekeeper and I don't I don't even have that much invested. 281 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:58,640 Speaker 1: But like, at the very least, if you're gonna tell 282 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 1: her story nor story right because WandaVision heard that whole 283 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: thing was her dealing with trauma, realizing she had done 284 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 1: wrong and accepting that and wanting to fix that, like 285 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: not excusing her actions but recognizing them and wanting That's 286 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 1: why she was isolating herself. She was punishing her for that. Right, So, 287 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:27,120 Speaker 1: like the fact that he didn't want did all of that? 288 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:29,680 Speaker 1: He did? He undid all of that is scene. Yes, 289 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 1: he undid all of it, and and it feels like 290 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:37,400 Speaker 1: just so he could tell a horror story, a very 291 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:43,959 Speaker 1: one dimensional horror story about a mother who has completely 292 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 1: lost her mind, Like, oh, um, I have some quotes 293 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 1: about that. I'm going to get to and I definitely 294 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 1: have like I'm not going to do it, but a 295 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: drinking game to every time Wanda says I'm a mother, 296 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:02,119 Speaker 1: you really wasted, she says it a lot um. I 297 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 1: also learned about the term woo madness, which I'd never heard. 298 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 1: So as as we mentioned earlier, they absolutely never really 299 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:13,160 Speaker 1: explained the Dark Holds impact on Wanda were to presume 300 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 1: that a lot of her actions are through the Dark Hold, 301 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 1: but it doesn't explain it, so we don't know, um, 302 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:22,199 Speaker 1: and so a lot of these choices were left to 303 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 1: wonder if it was her are the Dark Hold again? 304 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:27,680 Speaker 1: She She's been painted as a villain before, but almost 305 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 1: always it came from a sympathetic place, like we could 306 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 1: see why she made her choices, it came from a 307 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:36,160 Speaker 1: place of pain. Um. A lot of people wrote about 308 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 1: like able is m and mental health around this character, 309 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:44,680 Speaker 1: that she was essentially painted as a hysterical woman, Like 310 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 1: when she says this is me being rational, whereas Dr 311 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 1: Strange is very rational, it's like, oh see, she's super 312 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:58,919 Speaker 1: emotional and he can make logical decisions, very gendered breakdown. Okay, 313 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,359 Speaker 1: he does everything she does, but in opposition and becomes 314 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:07,120 Speaker 1: a hero. Yep uh. And and she did in the comics, 315 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:10,880 Speaker 1: she did some allah Jean Gray. She is the most 316 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:15,400 Speaker 1: powerful Avenger. But it's wildly agreed that her storyline, which 317 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: I think is called House of m that this one's 318 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 1: based on was pretty problematic. Uh, like most people think that, 319 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 1: and they went for it anyway. Again, I knew this 320 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 1: was cannon like according to what was happening in the comics. 321 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,920 Speaker 1: But again it's the same level of like, yeah, but 322 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: it doesn't mean it's not bad, right, right, we can 323 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 1: move on from some story and they have repeatedly yes, yes, 324 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 1: something else I learned and thinking about Jean Gray, this 325 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 1: was another like example where there's this powerful women can't 326 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:55,199 Speaker 1: handle it idea, like they can't handle the power, so 327 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 1: they just kill people. Um. There's a whole trope of 328 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 1: about it called magical women who are just too powerful 329 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,920 Speaker 1: for their own good, And basically that's you know, women 330 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 1: can't be trusted, so they had to be kept in 331 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 1: their place like they always have to be, you know, 332 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 1: imprisoned in the Avengers complex or whatever it is. And 333 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: then when she breaks out of that, she can't handle 334 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 1: it and the men have to come in and be like, calm, 335 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 1: stop stop it. Wanda yeo, yep, yep. Um. Here's a 336 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 1: quote from Junkie. Uh, we have Wanda who has gone 337 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 1: full blown evil scarlet witch and spent the entire movie 338 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:38,119 Speaker 1: desperately trying to get into the universe where she is 339 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 1: a suburban housewife with two loud sons, because in the end, 340 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:44,439 Speaker 1: that's all women really want, is it not. So this 341 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:45,880 Speaker 1: was something that came up and a lot of stuff 342 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:50,920 Speaker 1: I was reading where people were making the point, Yes, 343 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:56,160 Speaker 1: if you want to be you know, if that's that's 344 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: that's your dream, If you want to be the housewife, 345 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,200 Speaker 1: if you want to have the kids, whatever, that's fine. 346 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:04,400 Speaker 1: But it seems like all of the men are like, 347 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 1: I want to rule the world or I want to 348 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 1: like these big, huge things, and the women are always 349 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: kind of relegated to this like home sphere of motherhood 350 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 1: and children and let the the men do that other 351 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:24,120 Speaker 1: surer real stuff. Right, Well, here's the question I have, 352 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: where is vision? Because yes, she loves her children, but 353 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 1: the beginning and the overall was about vision and the 354 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 1: children came into play as like okay, it happened, but 355 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 1: we don't even hear the mention as like where was 356 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 1: he for the fantasy of being with the kids, Like 357 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 1: that wasn't her story in one of Vision. Yes, she 358 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 1: loved the boys and she missed them, but her story 359 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 1: was all of them as a family. That was her goal. Yeah, 360 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 1: I was confused. I kept asking that. I was like, 361 00:22:56,040 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: this doesn't fit. No, I don't know. Again, they've tried 362 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: so hard and making her so evil. Yeah, and she 363 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 1: had to be the only one taking responsibility and that evil. 364 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:13,160 Speaker 1: It almost like she couldn't have a partner in this. Yeah, 365 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: it had to just be her because if he was around, 366 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: presumably they would have either teamed up or he would 367 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 1: have tried to stop her, or she would have tried 368 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 1: to stop him. Who knows. You can't have two male heroes. 369 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 1: No problematic, It doesn't fit, and it don't sign to me. 370 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 1: It doesn't. I mean, there's certainly I can tell Phase 371 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: four of the im CU is going through some growing pains. 372 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 1: It is vision coming back, because they made it seem 373 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 1: like one in one division, there's a new vision, Yes, 374 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 1: white vision. Yes, um, I would assume. But I did 375 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,399 Speaker 1: read one of the articles I was reading about this. 376 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: People were speculating that Paul Bettany hasn't signed another contract 377 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 1: and that's why he wasn't there. But I don't care, okay, 378 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,479 Speaker 1: And I know a lot of that has like that 379 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,360 Speaker 1: type of depiction. But I just wondered because, yeah, one 380 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 1: of the things like if you want her happy ending, 381 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 1: this is not her happy ending. No oh no, I 382 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: do have some more quotes I want to read. So 383 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:23,439 Speaker 1: this one is from Vulture. Dreams are windows into the 384 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,119 Speaker 1: lives of our multi versus cells, and for Wanda, her 385 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 1: dreams involves being a suburban housewife without vision or any 386 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 1: inkling of b Wanda's desires beyond her children. This dream 387 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:37,919 Speaker 1: comes across as even more claustrophobic. Apparently, Wanda, an immensely 388 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 1: powerful witch who can bend reality, only aspires to be 389 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 1: a mom. It's her single devouring need, and when it's 390 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 1: not met, she loses her mind, leading to death and 391 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 1: destruction for everyone around her. I feel like they agree 392 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 1: with me. I think. So that's what I was like. 393 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,239 Speaker 1: Let's read this one. Um oh and also this one 394 00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,919 Speaker 1: I like. Okay. Wanda's fate reminds me of de naar 395 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,679 Speaker 1: Assist Tagarians in the final season of Game of Thrones. 396 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 1: Both stories depict power corrupting once beloved female characters, who 397 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:11,120 Speaker 1: are then demonized and ultimately disposed of. It's two. Why 398 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 1: are we still being asked to see powerful men as 399 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 1: heroes and powerful women as scary? Why are female characters 400 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 1: only likable when they're struggling and weak. The plot arc 401 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 1: of women becoming psychotic unable to control their own emotions 402 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 1: serves the same energy of male pundits who frequently warn 403 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 1: us that if we have a woman president, she'll knook 404 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 1: the whole world, or she has a bad day or 405 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,399 Speaker 1: is on her period. Both are female characters and massive 406 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 1: blockbuster fantasy stories who are embraced as likable, sympathetic protagonist 407 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 1: when they're powerless or struggling, but how they're presented to 408 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 1: audiences changes entirely. When they do obtain power. They become 409 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: the villains, terrifying and ruthless in her almost immediately unceremoniously 410 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 1: tossed aside as a result. And that's from Jezebel, which 411 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 1: very good quote. Yeah, I mean I feel like it. 412 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 1: It's true. It's the thing we keep talking about where 413 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 1: we allow, and by we, I mean as of society 414 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:11,159 Speaker 1: and particularly creators allow women. You can come to this point, 415 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: but only if you played by our rules. And then 416 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: once you break those rules, once you become more powerful 417 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:20,440 Speaker 1: than doctor Strange, you've got to go. You can't, you 418 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:29,360 Speaker 1: can no longer exist, And just reducing them into only 419 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 1: caring about motherhood and children, when like, again, if that's 420 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 1: if that's with your character and it makes sense, fine, 421 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,440 Speaker 1: but it becomes like, oh, she's lost her mind, because 422 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: if it becomes like female hysteria, it becomes that trope 423 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 1: of oh she just wants kids. Now she's killing everybody. 424 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 1: And I do feel like they try to address this 425 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,479 Speaker 1: in the movie when Wanda's like, why is it okay? Yeah, 426 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 1: that you can break the rule was dr strange and 427 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 1: not me, But they do it in kind of a 428 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 1: strange way because she's so callous, she's bitter. She's bitter, 429 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,200 Speaker 1: and you don't root her. They give you like no 430 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 1: reason immediately to root for her, like they all of 431 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 1: that character development they did is just like nope, she's different, 432 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,120 Speaker 1: and then I don't know where she comes and kills 433 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 1: Dennis the people when that the entirety of her makeup 434 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 1: in the films has been how she grieves loss of 435 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 1: life in general, Like that's how she comes to stop 436 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,879 Speaker 1: to work with Avengers because she sees the destruction happening 437 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 1: around her community and so she's like, oh my god, 438 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 1: I can't do this same way as how Westview ended, 439 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 1: because she realized she was physically hurting people, so she 440 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 1: had to stop. And yet it doesn't matter now, right right, 441 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 1: And it's so quick, it's so quick. Yeah, and it's 442 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 1: really without explanation, because again, if you haven't seen One Division, 443 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 1: if you haven't even had that basic that that basis, 444 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 1: you'd be like, where did these kids come from? Who 445 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 1: are they? Yes? Yes? Uh? And as you mentioned earlier, 446 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 1: I kind of chafed at oh, doctor Strange, can you 447 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 1: use the dark Old? And he's fine, she can't like, 448 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 1: get out, get out of here. Um. And by the way, 449 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 1: the creator of WandaVision, Jacques Schaefer, once said of the show, 450 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 1: it was extremely important to me that we not do 451 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 1: the lazy thing of having a superpowered lady who can't 452 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 1: handle her powers and goes crazy. It was being filmed 453 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 1: when One Division was being filmed, though, so that's interesting. Uh. 454 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: And here's a quote from the conversation. Wanda Maximov hasn't 455 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 1: been given much positive character development. In contrast to Marvel's 456 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 1: notorious villains, Wanda has no grand design, no desire to 457 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,719 Speaker 1: rule or destroy humanity. Her goal is limited to her 458 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 1: self created picture of domestic happiness. She fights through unite 459 00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 1: with her two sons. Such treatment as an ill stration 460 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 1: of the separate spheres sexist doctrine to men, the world 461 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 1: is a stage, while women must limit themselves to the 462 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 1: private sanctum of the house. But more problematic is the 463 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:13,719 Speaker 1: representation of one particular aspect of Banda's character, her anger 464 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 1: in the film references to mythological and popular cultural figures 465 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: a female anger are allusions to stereotypical expectations associated with 466 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 1: women's conduct, and this is where the Medusa conversation opened 467 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 1: up about basically women who have been really done wrong, 468 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 1: and then when they fight back, their anger is seen 469 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 1: as either ridiculous are just clearly written by men who 470 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 1: want them to be killed off. Like see she's hysterical, 471 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 1: Like maybe she was done wrong, but she is also 472 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 1: bad uh and yeah she h Wanda and this movie 473 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 1: was willing to kill other versions of herself, um, other children, 474 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 1: anyone who'd gotten her way very violently, um, which is 475 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 1: not good traits for someone you want to root for. Also, 476 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 1: people wrote about America, who I want to do? Uh, 477 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 1: I'm planning of feminist women around the world. On She's 478 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 1: frequently displayed as the damsel of distress. Um. Here's a 479 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 1: quote from The Daily Dot. She's wide eyed and vulnerable, 480 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 1: a disneyfied characterization choice that also de sexualizes her comic 481 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 1: book role. The m C. You took a cool, independent, 482 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 1: queer Latina superhero and standed down all the hard edges 483 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 1: that made her interesting. So yeah, in the comic book, 484 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 1: she's one of the first young Avengers, which I think 485 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 1: they're setting up because we've already talked about a bunch 486 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 1: of them in these and the actor, Like everybody praised 487 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 1: the actor, she would be great, but doesn't connect with 488 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 1: what she is in the comics, right, Okay, Yeah, I 489 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 1: don't know much about the comics, but yeah, she hard 490 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 1: character was interesting. I guess her name was made. When 491 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 1: when was she created? I think, Okay, okay, that says 492 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 1: to me a lot like I'm sad for her name, 493 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 1: but I know that that's a different thing. But yeah, 494 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 1: I found it interesting because she is she's just being 495 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 1: tossed about everywhere, constantly needing to be rescued, always losing people. 496 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 1: Very orphan mentality. Yeah, and I mean she gets her 497 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 1: moment at the end, but it's at the very end, right, 498 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 1: of course, a lot of coaxing, which again kind of 499 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 1: reminds me of younger Wanda when she has to be 500 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 1: taught coaxed by Captain America and Hawkeye, very much like 501 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 1: a lot of people wrote about that. They're like, it's 502 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 1: always kind of there the male story, and they the 503 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 1: women in it are like given this little bit where okay, 504 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 1: you hero worship me, yes, yes, yes. There is also 505 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 1: the scene that Samantha and I texted about a lot 506 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 1: when she kills the Illuminati the other Avengers Wanda does, 507 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 1: which was pretty graphic intense. It was like I kept 508 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 1: thinking of like that version of Earth, like just because 509 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 1: it's not our version doesn't mean that they're not going 510 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 1: to suffer because you kill all of their avengers. Um. 511 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 1: And then yeah, her other self, as you pointed out, 512 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 1: the other wand to apparently is powerless in this world 513 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 1: or she doesn't have that much power, or she doesn't 514 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 1: use it because she's happy, and it's that kind of odd. 515 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 1: She doesn't even try to fight. That's the thing is, 516 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 1: like she doesn't even care that she killed people. She's 517 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 1: my voice and runs away. Kind of odd moment of 518 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 1: like I get it, you want to protect your boys, 519 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:59,480 Speaker 1: but you also just covered in blood and no, Okay, 520 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 1: it definitely felt like it was saying, again, women can 521 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 1: anidal you choose one or the other. You can't add 522 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 1: this power and your happy life. You have to pick one. 523 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 1: And if you have kids, you definitely don't care about 524 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: other people, right, And I know you pointed this out, 525 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 1: but people were tweeting about it afterwards about what is 526 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 1: going on with Marvel and they're hanging up on motherhood 527 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 1: and punishing women, whether it's mothers or not mothers. Because 528 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,400 Speaker 1: we have Black Widow an age of Ultron, she has 529 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 1: her storyline of she was sterilized against her will and 530 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 1: so she feels she is a monster because of it. 531 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 1: She also feels like she's of less value and less worth. 532 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 1: I found that really disgusting. Yeah yeah, because it kind 533 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:53,320 Speaker 1: of again came out of nowhere, reducing her again to 534 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:57,800 Speaker 1: her womb, her body, right, and that way she can 535 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:03,800 Speaker 1: only be matched. But who another monster the Hulk right right? 536 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 1: Like that was a pretty obviously traumatizing experience. But to 537 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 1: frame it in a way where she's like, oh, I'm 538 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:30,080 Speaker 1: a monster, I care how kids. No, I'm very eager 539 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,759 Speaker 1: to come back and talk about Jane Foster. But you 540 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 1: haven't seen the new I don't know what you're talking about. Yeah, 541 00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:37,920 Speaker 1: I can't tell you, but I think we should come 542 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,400 Speaker 1: back and talk about it, because that's him playing this 543 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:46,120 Speaker 1: conversation as well. Certainly, the death of Scarlett Witch, which 544 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,879 Speaker 1: was so quick and confusing, like I wasn't even sure 545 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:54,240 Speaker 1: she had died. Um, is a trend in Marvel movies 546 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,880 Speaker 1: where we're seeing like the same with Black Widow. She 547 00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:03,799 Speaker 1: might have gotten like a more dramatic send off, but essentially, yeah, exactly. 548 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,759 Speaker 1: An iron Man meanwhile gets the whole like final thing, 549 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:17,440 Speaker 1: final funeral of these movies. Okay, cool, great. Here's a 550 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,719 Speaker 1: quote from Pace magazine. It's kind of a long one, 551 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 1: but stick with me because I think it's good. Um. 552 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,879 Speaker 1: Because while Marvel Studios is certainly eager enough to out 553 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,320 Speaker 1: its feminist bona fides by pointing to Captain Marvel or 554 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,680 Speaker 1: Black Widow, the franchise still waited for twenty films to 555 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 1: feature a female lead, and Carol Danvers Free Larson and 556 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:39,600 Speaker 1: sat on a Natasha Romanov Scarlett Johansson solo, adding for 557 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:43,760 Speaker 1: so long the character died first, essentially rendering the project 558 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,799 Speaker 1: useless for for any larger storytelling purpose. To be fair, 559 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,520 Speaker 1: want to Maximov certainly isn't the only woman the m 560 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,880 Speaker 1: c U has done dirty in recent years. The Falcon 561 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:54,959 Speaker 1: and the Winter Soldier turned to all American good girl 562 00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,880 Speaker 1: and Peggy Carter's niece Sharon Carter into the leader of 563 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,520 Speaker 1: an international criminals send again. Loki Judge Sylvie a female 564 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,440 Speaker 1: variant of the God of Mischief, much more hartily than 565 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 1: any of the male versions of the character, and they're 566 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:12,439 Speaker 1: all literally the same person. Laura Barton was apparently once 567 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,719 Speaker 1: a kick ass Shield agent, but her primary role in 568 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:16,920 Speaker 1: Hawkeye is to serve as a little more than Clint's 569 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:21,040 Speaker 1: emotional sounding board. After all, Wanda did the impossible thing 570 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,720 Speaker 1: that was asked of her by killing Vision. She undid 571 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,399 Speaker 1: Westview by her own choice, I might add, and said 572 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,000 Speaker 1: goodbye to him all over again. She's still suffering for 573 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 1: all those things. But Strange gave Thanos the Timestone and 574 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,200 Speaker 1: stole five years from half of humanity in the process, 575 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,399 Speaker 1: all before literally ripping reality apart a second time as 576 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,359 Speaker 1: a favor to a teenager. He doesn't even like that much. 577 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,000 Speaker 1: The only consequence he's had to face is that one 578 00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,880 Speaker 1: man was rude to him at a public event one time. 579 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,319 Speaker 1: Clint Barton spent five years of The Blips straight up 580 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,359 Speaker 1: murdering people in the name of some nebulous avengeance and 581 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,360 Speaker 1: not only gets immediately welcome back into the Avengers fold, 582 00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,239 Speaker 1: but rewarded with his own series that can hardly even 583 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,800 Speaker 1: be bothered to say that what he did as Rounan 584 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:08,200 Speaker 1: was even bad. These things are not the same, agreed, 585 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 1: Agreed again, a lot of this doesn't make sense. Once again, 586 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,680 Speaker 1: talking about Bucky. Bucky goes into his like solace and 587 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,960 Speaker 1: kind of torments himself, but everybody forgives him. He killed 588 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,680 Speaker 1: Tony's parents. They had one half a series about that, 589 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,000 Speaker 1: and everything was fine, one half one half of a 590 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,759 Speaker 1: movie about that, and then everything was just fine. They're 591 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,920 Speaker 1: very much again willing to give these male characters a 592 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:39,640 Speaker 1: lot more room for growth, for forgiveness then we are 593 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:43,200 Speaker 1: for women, where apparently it's just you get too powerful 594 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,480 Speaker 1: when you die, and that's it every time, every time. 595 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,719 Speaker 1: We don't even know. Maybe there'll be some hope in 596 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:54,120 Speaker 1: the New Black Panther. Maybe cross your fingers have the 597 00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,839 Speaker 1: same thor so. I don't know yet, but yeah, all 598 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:02,120 Speaker 1: of these like we finally get some new female women 599 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:07,000 Speaker 1: representation in the New universe and they immediately die, which, 600 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,000 Speaker 1: by the way, Captain Marvel was supposed to be able 601 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,640 Speaker 1: to hold her own against Wanda. So I'm a little 602 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,600 Speaker 1: confused on how easily she died. I know she was 603 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:17,680 Speaker 1: at least the last to die, but still out well 604 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:22,879 Speaker 1: second to last, I guess, yeah, yeah, uh. And if 605 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:27,879 Speaker 1: you're confused with Captain Marvel and the other Earth, yes, yeah, 606 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:31,680 Speaker 1: because Captain Marvel and Scarlett Witch are the most powerful, 607 00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:35,560 Speaker 1: supposed to be the most powerful, right she almost had 608 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:41,480 Speaker 1: Danos more so than one did it, although she could have, Yeah, 609 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:45,480 Speaker 1: she could. If they've done there together, God have been over. 610 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:47,920 Speaker 1: But all that to say is I don't understand how 611 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,440 Speaker 1: easily that she died like she was crushed by statue. 612 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,480 Speaker 1: I don't think that's supposed to kill her. Agreed, Agreed, 613 00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,719 Speaker 1: And then I did want to briefly touch on Christine. 614 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:03,800 Speaker 1: You reached on my Adams is um doctor Stranger's girlfriend 615 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:05,279 Speaker 1: for lack of a better word, and eight three eight 616 00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,759 Speaker 1: she's a scientist who's working with Illuminati, and people wrote 617 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:15,120 Speaker 1: about her like she had it feels like just crumbs though, 618 00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:19,359 Speaker 1: but she had a bigger storyline perhaps, but they still 619 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,279 Speaker 1: turned her into a possession at the end the other 620 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:26,000 Speaker 1: doctor Strangers like give me Christine. Also she was a 621 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:30,239 Speaker 1: glorified assistant I guess with her own laps. Yes. And 622 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,600 Speaker 1: also he bothered her our doctor Strange bothered her at 623 00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:37,520 Speaker 1: her wedding about why they weren't together anymore, like back 624 00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,759 Speaker 1: up man. That sounds like a dude, though to be fair, 625 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:47,080 Speaker 1: it does sound like a person dude. And and Marvel 626 00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,439 Speaker 1: definitely has a history of this, so does a lot 627 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:54,680 Speaker 1: of I mean, the Damsel in distress, the like girl friend. 628 00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,759 Speaker 1: Love interest is not new and it's not unique to 629 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,720 Speaker 1: Marvel in any any sense, but it is certainly something 630 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,640 Speaker 1: I've been like, you have to make the woman a 631 00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:08,320 Speaker 1: love interest in some way. Every time it didn't make sense. 632 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,920 Speaker 1: I still don't get the Hulkan call it, I mean 633 00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,120 Speaker 1: the Hulkan Black Widow like that. They tried so hard 634 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,440 Speaker 1: with this that was like even Black Widow and Captain 635 00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:22,200 Speaker 1: America would have made more sense than The Hulk. But okay, well, yeah, 636 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,520 Speaker 1: it was frustrating because you could tell and like every 637 00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,880 Speaker 1: other movie they were trying to romantic interest for her. 638 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,359 Speaker 1: They were maybe this one will work and you don't 639 00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,440 Speaker 1: need to do it at all. She could have just 640 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,400 Speaker 1: been happy. I would have rather seen her and Yelena's 641 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,560 Speaker 1: relationship me too. And I really liked like her and 642 00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,239 Speaker 1: Captain America as platonic friends. But you could tell they 643 00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:45,400 Speaker 1: were trying to suggest maybe maybe, but they could have 644 00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,360 Speaker 1: just been platonic friends, and that was great. It was good, 645 00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:53,680 Speaker 1: Like in Civil War. It was good. And then certainly 646 00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,719 Speaker 1: there was a theme throughout this of the woman who 647 00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:02,520 Speaker 1: is responsible for the euro's actions, like he becomes violent 648 00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,520 Speaker 1: because of her, which is alsome not unique to Marvel, 649 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:09,200 Speaker 1: but um, if you haven't seen the what if episode 650 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,560 Speaker 1: with Doctor Strange, this is the whole theme where he 651 00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:16,319 Speaker 1: like ruins the world to Sage Christine, and it was 652 00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:21,200 Speaker 1: you could see it in this as well, where just 653 00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:28,520 Speaker 1: these threads of like men being violent in the name 654 00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:32,080 Speaker 1: of women who probably don't want them to do that anyway, 655 00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,319 Speaker 1: but they feel good, they feel justified in it because 656 00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:38,640 Speaker 1: it's for a woman. It's like the nine be nine 657 00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:46,120 Speaker 1: sexism anyway. I did also want to mention, very briefly, 658 00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:47,800 Speaker 1: there was the same sex causs in it. It was 659 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,759 Speaker 1: very brief, but it caused a huge uproar and it 660 00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:56,279 Speaker 1: almost got removed, and in some markets that did get removed. Uh, 661 00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,880 Speaker 1: so that's still that's still a thing as well, America 662 00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:05,800 Speaker 1: between the parents, America's parents. Um, there's it's sure. I 663 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,600 Speaker 1: mean it's super sure. Yeah, they barely. I was like, 664 00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:10,759 Speaker 1: I don't I think you'll blame miss it. But it 665 00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,960 Speaker 1: cost a huge up for America is a lesbian in 666 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,400 Speaker 1: the comics, and as I said, I'm gonna I'm planning 667 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,319 Speaker 1: on returning to her for a future Women around the World, 668 00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,719 Speaker 1: fictional women around the World. But I just wanted to 669 00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:25,120 Speaker 1: mention it. Uh. But yeah, I think this is a 670 00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:31,080 Speaker 1: successful I too Spoiled Saturdays, and I again, there's so 671 00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,480 Speaker 1: much we could return to Because people wrote about this 672 00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:38,759 Speaker 1: as they should, it didn't make sense and it says 673 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:45,160 Speaker 1: a lot for a multibillion dollar franchise. Why why why? Yes, 674 00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:49,279 Speaker 1: Well continue to ask that question, uh in future episodes 675 00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,520 Speaker 1: and to ourselves when we're trying to sleep at night. 676 00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:56,760 Speaker 1: In the meantime, If there is a movie or TV 677 00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,759 Speaker 1: show you would like for us to cover and Spoiled Saturdays, 678 00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,920 Speaker 1: please let us know. You can email us at stuffide 679 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:04,839 Speaker 1: your mom Stuff at iHeart media dot com. You can 680 00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,000 Speaker 1: find us on Twitter at mom Stuff podcast, or if 681 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,000 Speaker 1: you havent stuff I Never told you. Thanks as always 682 00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:12,239 Speaker 1: to our super producer Christina, Thank you, and thanks to 683 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,440 Speaker 1: you for listening. 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