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Speaker 1: This is kJ Live with Chris Johnson. Allen and Chris

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Speaker 1: is having conversations with influencers in the sports world and

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Speaker 1: entertainment industrain. Now here's Chris Johnson. You're now tuned in

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Speaker 1: to kJ Lott today's guests on the show. Has been

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Speaker 1: considered one of the foremost authorities in basketball player development.

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Speaker 1: He's worked with over four thousand, five hundred clients around

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Speaker 1: the globe, including international Olympic, w n B, A college,

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Speaker 1: high school, and some MBA athletes. Dorian Lee and his

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Speaker 1: training is rooted in an explosive movement, functional movement, quick release, shooting,

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Speaker 1: seamless trasitional ball handled, exposed to play and exposed to finishing. Man,

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Speaker 1: that sounds like a lot. Let's welcome in my man.

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Speaker 1: Dorian Lee is in the building. What's up? Deeply, have

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Speaker 1: been a long time bro. So it's good. Like I said,

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Speaker 1: it's good seeing you and excited about just having that conversation.

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Speaker 1: Man there like you. We've talked off line about the

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Speaker 1: vibe even years ago. Uh, forward thinkers have this this

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Speaker 1: way of connecting, and I knew you were a forward thinker.

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Speaker 1: I knew you had some, uh some big things in store. Man.

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Speaker 1: So I'm honored, man, I would have to do the

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Speaker 1: do the bow down. I'm honored to be on the podcast,

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Speaker 1: my bro. No, Man, I appreciate you for jumping on

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Speaker 1: man and blessings you know have been bountiful for me

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Speaker 1: and for you as well. Man. But I wanted to

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Speaker 1: get you on the pod specifically because just to give

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Speaker 1: all this a little bit of background, I met d

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Speaker 1: think we was at Running Shoot. So we was at

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Speaker 1: Running Shooting and all my my who pends out there

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Speaker 1: know exactly what Running Shoot is. It's over there, what

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Speaker 1: East Point, Yeah, yeah it was. It was on Metropolitan Parkway, yeah,

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Speaker 1: the Avenue. Yeah. What revitalized actually spearheaded the revitalization of

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Speaker 1: town was known for the strip clubs, for you know,

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Speaker 1: the drug dealing and things of that nature. And it

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Speaker 1: all of that. Man. It was beautiful. Man. Running Shoot

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Speaker 1: had about what six eight eight twelve courts, had a barbershop,

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Speaker 1: you could eat, you can lift weights, and so during

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Speaker 1: the course of during the course of my workouts, I

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Speaker 1: and we'd be rebounding for each other. We'd be working

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Speaker 1: out a little bit, but it would be a daily thing. Man.

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Speaker 1: We kind of had this bond and camaraderie. Man, did

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Speaker 1: I didn't see you again for nothing? Yeah, for another

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Speaker 1: fifteen years. Man, we finally reconnected. But I wanted to

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Speaker 1: get you on the show because man, I I love

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Speaker 1: your story, I love your journey, and I love how

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Speaker 1: you express your journey. Brother, I wanted to know how

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Speaker 1: you got your start. Where are you from and how

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Speaker 1: did you get your starting this basketball? So I'm deep South.

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Speaker 1: I'm from Mobile, Alabama, football country. Viger High School where

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Speaker 1: I attended was actual ESPN National champs in football. So

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Speaker 1: the country, right. You know, we're Alabama and Auburn. No

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Speaker 1: So you know we were kind of afterthoughts, you know,

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Speaker 1: You know, we were shunned in a sense. So, uh,

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Speaker 1: it was it was a funny uh placed the start

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Speaker 1: to obviously grand Hill's roommate, you know during that time.

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Speaker 1: So Tony has had an incredible college and professional career

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Speaker 1: in terms of coaching, playing overseas, the whole now has

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Speaker 1: And you know, I played six d points in college,

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Speaker 1: And you know, it's it's weird because I already had

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Speaker 1: my table was Jay Hernandez that played at Hofstra. He's

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Speaker 1: like player development, man, Listen, I had never even heard

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Speaker 1: And so I went over to Austria. Killed it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: can we get a younger player for you know, less money?

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Speaker 1: I remember, Man, I'm coming. I was at running Shoot.

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Speaker 1: I come in the gym. You know, I'm nobody, and

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Speaker 1: I won a national championship. I had done some stuff

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Speaker 1: But I walked in the building. It's like they look

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Speaker 1: light scaring curly here, you know, with all that type

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Speaker 1: I can respect that, look, I can respect that that

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Speaker 1: explanation about it. Uh, my feeling is something along the

427
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Speaker 1: lines of that. I didn't go as deep as you did,

428
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:38,959
Speaker 1: which was a great point about thinking about all the

429
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,680
Speaker 1: video that a player could watch, you know what I'm saying,

430
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Speaker 1: if they came, if they came from this area, going back,

431
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,160
Speaker 1: et cetera. So, no, that's a great point. Was something

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Speaker 1: I was wondering when you mentioned when you say the

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Speaker 1: entertainment value. I think we saw something the other day

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Speaker 1: that kind of, you know, captures that mood amongst the

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Speaker 1: NBA current day NBA fan and Marcus Smart Celtics Warriors.

436
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:07,200
Speaker 1: Marcus Smart dies for a loose ball steph Curry doesn't dive,

437
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 1: stands up, looks at it. Smart get lollygagging, lolligagging Marcus

438
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 1: Smart first to the floor, secures the basketball, and then

439
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:21,120
Speaker 1: you had just a ton of just backlash. Was good. Look,

440
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,920
Speaker 1: nobody wants Steph Curry to get hurt. Nobody wants anybody

441
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 1: to get hurt. But also we don't want playing hard

442
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:28,399
Speaker 1: to be taken out of the game. We've seen it

443
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,159
Speaker 1: with the NFL where they've made some rule changes and

444
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's better for the league or not,

445
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,920
Speaker 1: but it's just not the same NFL. You have people

446
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,440
Speaker 1: talking about they need to take out diving for loose

447
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,399
Speaker 1: balls from the game. They said that that needs to

448
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,200
Speaker 1: be taken out d league. What are your thoughts on that? Man?

449
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 1: And just as far as this, it goes back into

450
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Speaker 1: this entertainment aspect, let's preserve our stars. One more thing

451
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 1: on that. I felt like, if that will see the

452
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 1: Osman or somebody else diving, uh, that was Steph Curry

453
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Speaker 1: in that position. Nobody would have cared. No one would

454
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Speaker 1: have cared. What are your thoughts on that? Bro? I

455
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 1: think you first of all, I don't even have to

456
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 1: I don't even have to say anything. You You you

457
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,680
Speaker 1: literally put it the way it where it was now.

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00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 1: Hate occurs when you call stuff the way you see it,

459
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 1: Steph was a lolly gag. Didn't make a really strong effort.

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00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 1: Second thing, part of athleticism is understanding, uh, your your

461
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 1: body and space. I consience when somebody is kind of

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Speaker 1: about to undercut me. I left my legs. Some of

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00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,920
Speaker 1: that has to do Chris. We're not playing hard. How

464
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Speaker 1: many times did m J get hurt? How many times

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Speaker 1: did a lot of our players in the in the

466
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Speaker 1: old NBA get hurt? And they were playing way more games,

467
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 1: so much more load. But they also knew when and where.

468
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Speaker 1: They knew if they were gonna go for a ball,

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Speaker 1: they were gonna go for it. If they weren't gonna

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Speaker 1: go for it, they weren't gonna go for it. Smart

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00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,119
Speaker 1: was playing hard, I thought, and I love and the

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Speaker 1: thing I hate is I love current, I love of

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00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 1: Steph with Kerr, Kerr, you ain't got no right. I

474
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,479
Speaker 1: know that looks good for media that you're taking up

475
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Speaker 1: for your guy. Marcus. Smart did the right thing. Reputation wise,

476
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 1: Marcus has gotten into some stuff. Now. They should have

477
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: been talking about the kick on the other end when

478
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 1: he tried to block that. That was something I can't

479
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 1: defend that. If you want to talk about what that

480
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 1: you and you almost kick the dude in the face.

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00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,119
Speaker 1: That's the one we ought to be talking about. We

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Speaker 1: talked about something that was just a what's a basketball play?

483
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 1: I have an issue with that part of the game

484
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Speaker 1: right now. The basic tenant of basketball, the basic tenant

485
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Speaker 1: of sport, it's competition. It's competing. Three point doesn't make

486
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Speaker 1: the game change. Uh, you know, ease of movement rules

487
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 1: don't make the game change. Dumping into the post back

488
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,159
Speaker 1: in the day, that was, and what makes the game different?

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Speaker 1: What makes the game different now? It's that players don't compete.

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00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: They play hard sometimes now playing hard and competing on

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00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 1: the same thing. Russell Westbrook has always played hard, he

492
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 1: hasn't always competed competition. So playing playing hardest energy expenditure,

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Speaker 1: I hook a I hook electrode to your neck and

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00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: your heart rate at your eight thousand, you know your

495
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 1: your muscle output, force output is at twenty million. All

496
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:34,360
Speaker 1: of that is great, But was I tactically using it

497
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 1: to win? Was I coming up with ways strategically to

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Speaker 1: beat my defender with with with the i Q and

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00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:48,400
Speaker 1: physicality versus just raw physicality. That's playing hard with no

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Speaker 1: aim rhyme reason for what you're doing. So that's the

501
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 1: difference between playing hard and competing. And that's what's missing

502
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 1: in my opinion in today's game. And maybe I just

503
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Speaker 1: I I hear they excuse, Chris, and you tell me

504
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 1: what you think about this. I hear the excuse, the

505
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 1: excuses they play au together or whatever. Right. I got

506
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: some of my boys who whoo and and they all

507
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 1: listen to this. You that serve some time, and and

508
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 1: you know, uh and and in some nice uh government

509
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 1: housing for a second. Right. And when we were growing

510
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,120
Speaker 1: up together, these were my best friends I'm talking about.

511
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 1: We would we we would fight together, we would go together,

512
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 1: we walked to the gym. But guess what we would

513
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,920
Speaker 1: also do. We would fight each other. So even though

514
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: we were that close the game of basketball, we wanted

515
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 1: to win against each other, probably even more than some stranger,

516
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: because that's who I'm gonna hear it from the most.

517
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: But now it's more like this. You know, you see

518
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: Lebron dunk on on Kevin Love and they whole bromance

519
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 1: off of a dunk. I believe some of this. Look,

520
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: look I look, we're gonna people gonna be like y'all

521
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: have some old focus, But I cannot believe some of

522
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 1: the stuff I see happen on the basketball floor nowadays

523
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 1: in the NBA, Like that move that k Love when

524
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 1: he ran over to bron and did the head look

525
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: a headlock move. I was just like, damn, this is

526
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 1: really a new league. And it goes to your point, man,

527
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 1: when someone says something is more about entertainment, that means

528
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: that we should not take the competition side of things

529
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 1: as serious, and that to me, that takes away from everything.

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00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 1: Do you think that this generation is less competitive? I

531
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 1: like the AE thing, but here's something else that I'm

532
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: just gonna throw out there, because you know how these

533
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 1: kids they grow up, they playing video They're playing video

534
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: games against each other all day. So it's like, if

535
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,719
Speaker 1: you're not competitive, are you using all your competitive juices

536
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: for call of duty and for mad and so you

537
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: So when you get on the court, it's like, not

538
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 1: forget you. I don't see you when you get back

539
00:29:58,120 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: to the house on the c D. This one on

540
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 1: one it's not really what matters because we didn't we

541
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 1: didn't have all that to hang our head. We had

542
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 1: the one on one matchup that we were like, yeah,

543
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: let's think, let's think about it. That's a beautiful point.

544
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: Think about it in its totality. So you and I

545
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 1: we haven't really seen each other in about almost twenty years,

546
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 1: but at eighteen years, right, and if we follow each

547
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: other online or we're friends on Facebook, we feel like

548
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: we've we we've been in front of each other that much.

549
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 1: So it's a virtual world that distorts like the real world.

550
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: So what you're saying is is holly plausible and probable,

551
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: holly plau probable that a lot of that is in

552
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 1: the virtual world. So, and it's also a safer world

553
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: because there's no real embarrassment. It's nobody's spectating. It's more

554
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: embarrassment in a in a in a in an open

555
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: warm So maybe part of that social media going viral,

556
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: people stay away from moments that could put them in

557
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: unfavorable light. That's why I respect those that don't mind

558
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: getting dropped and hot right back up and defend. I'm

559
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 1: always applotting that dude who didn't care about going viral

560
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: or playing a little cool defense. And I don't really

561
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: want you know what I'm saying, I ain't gonna get

562
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 1: hurt type defense, but I think a lot of that.

563
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 1: It's some truth in that, bro I think a lot

564
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 1: of that competitive nature is being eaten up in other ways.

565
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: So what do you where do you think Curry rinks

566
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: as far as all time and not just guards. I

567
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: get killed for this, I get killed for this. I think, Um,

568
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 1: you have to delineate certain things in basketball, and any

569
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: time you delineate timelines with the player, like I said,

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00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: pre Ai post a right, you know, pre Jordan, post

571
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 1: Jordan's pre magic, post magic when you talk about you know, uh,

572
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: pre steph post step right. And then we we got

573
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: a lot of people who, oh, man, you know other players,

574
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: other teams were doing it, you know, Donnie Nelson was

575
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: doing it, but it was also a frowned upon type

576
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: of play at the time. He really has revolutionized the

577
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: fact that skill. It's now about for the first time

578
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: in years, it's about the trump athleticism in a in

579
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: an NBA. Athleticism has always trumped skilled to a certain extent,

580
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: because we've seen highly skilled players that have to spend

581
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:48,719
Speaker 1: years in Europe because they weren't the prototypical They weren't

582
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 1: six six two guards. You remember, you remember when it

583
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: was six six two guards you know it was then

584
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: it was you know, Magic came and everybody's a copycat leader.

585
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: Everybody was nine one. Then they got back to the

586
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: small guards that the folks like Damien was was hurting,

587
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,719
Speaker 1: you know, hurting. Jordan's a c l S when he

588
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 1: was crossing and hidden. So it's just it's always a

589
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: copycat league. Man. But you know, I I think Steph

590
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: is and this is a tough He's a top five

591
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: impact player in the league history. But it's not five

592
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: players that I would say, Okay, I need a shot

593
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: or I need for one game where I would pick

594
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: him over. But he's top five in terms of impact

595
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: on the game. Ever you think Steph would have been

596
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna get back to that particular question as

597
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: far as impacts, I have something about Mark Jackson I

598
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 1: wanted to add, But do you think Steph would have

599
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 1: been just as effective in the era of the armbar,

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00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 1: in the era of to say, the Jordan rules where

601
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: they say the Pistons had the Steph rules and you know,

602
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,239
Speaker 1: guys were clotheslining you, and then they had they had

603
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: to do with your mental fortitude as a man. Now

604
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: it's beyond basketball. That's where the league, and and this

605
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: is where I feel like it gets discounted. And I

606
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: don't want to sound like we were just a bunch

607
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 1: of brutes running around like savages trying to chop people's

608
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,240
Speaker 1: heads off. But there was a part to the game

609
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: when we were playing where physicality was definitely something that

610
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: you had to take into account because it messed with

611
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: your game. Yeah, so to talk to me, talk to

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Speaker 1: me about Steph in particular, let me tell you about

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00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 1: his particular makeup, his mentality. I think he would have

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Speaker 1: first of all, his scoring. He would have been a

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Speaker 1: eighteen nineteen point of game potentially a guy he still

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00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: shot the ball well. Uh. I think he would have

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00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: because he does have the mental fortitude. I think he

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00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 1: would have adapted to that style of play. Uh. I

619
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: think he's sneaky tough. Now I don't think. I don't

620
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Speaker 1: know if his body would have with with with stood

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Speaker 1: the pounding. So what you would have as a guy

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Speaker 1: who in that era would have shown, Okay, this kid

623
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: is tough, is a can play. But he had been

624
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: a Brandon Roy in an earlier era because he would

625
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: only shown a couple of years of it and probably

626
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: would have been on the injury would have been injury prone,

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00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 1: just based on the way he's He's constructed right, the

628
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,399
Speaker 1: style that he plays because he has to get a lot.

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Speaker 1: You gotta remember, at his size, he has to get

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00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:32,479
Speaker 1: a lot to do a lot to get a lot.

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00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 1: So so he can score thirty eight, but man, if

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00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 1: you break it down, that meant thirty eight points. He

633
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: probably came out no live maybe sixty screens over the

634
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 1: course of a game, whether they're on ball off ball.

635
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:51,280
Speaker 1: He took probably sixty two seventy dribbles in the game.

636
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: So imagine that load every night, and remember that that

637
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 1: wasn't the style of play. Then he couldn't beat the

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Speaker 1: ball that much. Even when you see Isaiah b B

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Speaker 1: b B bed it wasn't as it wasn't the as

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Speaker 1: many dribbles and as much times. It's different. Man, So

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Speaker 1: I think Steph I might be one of the few

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Speaker 1: that thinks Steph would have been Okay, I don't. He's

643
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Speaker 1: not dominant in that area. He's mak good. Here's what

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say about about how those guys. So as

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Speaker 1: much as I say, you know they would struggle, I

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Speaker 1: feel like they would struggle. But then there's also this

647
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Speaker 1: thing and talking to a lot of basketball people, there's

648
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Speaker 1: also this thing about adaptation d League. You know as

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Speaker 1: well as I do as a ball player, when you

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Speaker 1: go into a situation that's a little bit above your

651
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Speaker 1: pay grade, if you will, after a day or two,

652
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Speaker 1: after a day or two, you figure it out and

653
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Speaker 1: then you just start feeling like this is nothing and

654
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Speaker 1: and wait a minute, everything slowed down. And I know

655
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Speaker 1: you've had those moments. I've had those moments and it's

656
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Speaker 1: been against NBA guys. So I feel like Steph is

657
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Speaker 1: the kind of guy and a lot of these guys

658
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Speaker 1: from this era, they'll go back into that time. They'll

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Speaker 1: get beat up, maybe the first week of practice, but

660
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Speaker 1: I feel like they're gonna because they're ball players at

661
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Speaker 1: the end of the day, and they're ball players, they're

662
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Speaker 1: gonna adapt to just and I feel like that they

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Speaker 1: man and with that skill set like a Jannis and

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Speaker 1: that back then or step even Steph and let's say

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Speaker 1: he cuts down the combos from the nine to the

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Speaker 1: five and sometimes the three. You know, yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: he might be aff I think here, but I think

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Speaker 1: you ball. I think he is the only issue, the

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Speaker 1: only issue he would have in that era. One of

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Speaker 1: the things that I hung my hat on and I

671
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Speaker 1: still do. I teach you all about players, every one

672
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Speaker 1: of them. I don't care if day five, eight, five, nine,

673
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Speaker 1: six seven. Can all shoot over the top like we are,

674
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: shoot over the top experts like y'all don't care what

675
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 1: length in front of us. We can get the shot off.

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00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: Steph can't shoot like that. Kyrie, on the other hand,

677
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Speaker 1: has the ability. So Karie needs very little space Steph.

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Speaker 1: Steph can't go over. He has to go around. He

679
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Speaker 1: has to get you to go back. He has to

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00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: create that type of separation. Kyrie plays with people, but

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00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 1: Carrie needs literally one or two dribbles just a little bit,

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Speaker 1: and he his shot release allows him to get those shots,

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Speaker 1: those shots all. So I think Carrie would, Kyrie would. Man,

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Speaker 1: he's the transcendent any level, any era type. Do I

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Speaker 1: think he's the most skilled player in basketball history, the

686
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Speaker 1: most as far as the most skilled ever? You think so? No,

687
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Speaker 1: I'm asking you, I'm asking you. Do you think you

688
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Speaker 1: think so? Man? I haven't seen I haven't seen a guy.

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Speaker 1: So when I say skilled, art, I have to think

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Speaker 1: about I like the size. So if you're six ten

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Speaker 1: with the handle that. That's a high value skill if

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Speaker 1: you're that size and you're able to not not only handle,

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Speaker 1: another part of skill is finishing, and you're able to

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Speaker 1: finish like Kyrie without hops. You see, he does not

695
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Speaker 1: get off the ground on some of these finishes. He

696
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Speaker 1: has these things. You know you're right. You know you're

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Speaker 1: right because I've seen I've seen him do the little

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Speaker 1: a couple of times. But deally, but I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: I've seen somebody finish in touch such tight spaces or

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Speaker 1: get through as many as tight spaces is he's able

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Speaker 1: to get through and then recover. But but I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I think let me say this, I think we we

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Speaker 1: are watching it now at the moment. Yeah, I really do,

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Speaker 1: because because I've seen Nash do some stuff, man like

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Speaker 1: even the passes in tight areas. Yeah, that's a skill. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I doesn't have now when we talked about on the

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Speaker 1: ball offensive skill. All right. The question is, and this

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Speaker 1: is what I posed on this long thread about that, right,

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Speaker 1: what is aesthetically pleasing doesn't mean that it's functionally better.

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Speaker 1: Better is situational? Right, So I used the analogy of

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Speaker 1: having a car, so you gotta you know, I'm oh,

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Speaker 1: I gotta nineteen seventy one Mercedes. You got a two right,

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Speaker 1: we're heading the mobile my hometown. I take the shortest route,

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Speaker 1: driving seventy miles power. You take the longest route driving

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Speaker 1: fifty five. Who gets there first? Right? So it's it's

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Speaker 1: not now one gets there and probably more comfort bluetooth

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Speaker 1: stereo bowls. But the ultimate thing is I'm using it

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Speaker 1: today to get to a destination. So if it's a

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Speaker 1: guy who can only dribble with one hand, only right

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Speaker 1: and can never be forced off of his line, can

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Speaker 1: go to any spot he wants, can finish every time,

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Speaker 1: even if it's only on the right side, because he

723
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Speaker 1: can get to the right anytime he wants. Is he

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Speaker 1: not more? Isn't he not as equally skilled as a

725
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Speaker 1: as a kyrie? Even though it doesn't You said, what

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00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 1: he can't do is left? Does he need to his right?

727
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 1: Is his left? Because he can't be stopped? So I

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Speaker 1: keep I keep thinking alone, I keep thinking along these lines. Now.

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Speaker 1: The last one too, is isn't skilled? Also about proficiency

730
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Speaker 1: with efficiency? So you and I work a job. You're

731
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Speaker 1: the new guy. You just coming off Warden business school.

732
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Speaker 1: You got all the technical knowledge this this, you're smarter,

733
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Speaker 1: you know the new ways to do it. And we

734
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Speaker 1: both start a task and I've been there so long,

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Speaker 1: I know the shortcuts. I get done with the task

736
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Speaker 1: in twenty minutes. You do more technically sound, beautiful business

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Speaker 1: theory type stuff, but it takes you ten hours to

738
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Speaker 1: accomplish your task. Who is the most skilled now in

739
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Speaker 1: to the coming to the public? Man, just's do way

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Speaker 1: more smart, way smarter than the old head. But the

741
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Speaker 1: old head gets it done. So I know that's a

742
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Speaker 1: about what's the most the most beautiful games ever? Jordan's

749
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Speaker 1: carry period, Jordan's game is the I show it to

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Speaker 1: my kids and it's just like what and like no

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Speaker 1: one has no one has done the finishes he's done.

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00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: Where does Kobe stand in beauty of game and sheer

753
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Speaker 1: beauty d league? Because I'm an athlete, he's a little

754
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Speaker 1: bit behind. Uh, m J. But m J was just

755
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Speaker 1: a better athlete that so it's tears in this. So

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Speaker 1: you've got world class, excellent, above average good. This is

757
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 1: how good can elevate to above average in the rights around,

758
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: above average can elevate to excellent in the right setting.

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00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: Excellent can can venture into world class at moments. But

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Speaker 1: world class every shot, every second, every cut, every jump,

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Speaker 1: every lady is world class. So Kobe was an excellent athlete,

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Speaker 1: excellent and ventured. We saw some of the dunks in place.

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Speaker 1: He ventured in the world class, but he didn't have

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Speaker 1: world class every single jab, every single way, m J.

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Speaker 1: I'm just every single thing he did was a world

766
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Speaker 1: class athletic type. It's it's just a difference in his athleticism.

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Speaker 1: And then we've ever seen facts, no question, He's let

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Speaker 1: me ask you this, Does it seem like they are

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Speaker 1: less traveling and carrying valuations in today's NBA that they

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Speaker 1: were in the past. And if if it does, is

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Speaker 1: that a matter of guys that are actually better at

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Speaker 1: handling the rock or is this a situation where the

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Speaker 1: rests or have loosened up this sort of I was

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Speaker 1: on the phone with one of my good friends, the

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Speaker 1: NBA reff yesterday, man, and we're you know, I was

776
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Speaker 1: joining him because, uh, you know, I was at a

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Speaker 1: game the other night. A good friend of mine from

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Speaker 1: France came here loves Dominique, so I introduced him to Dominique.

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Speaker 1: We got the jersey signed. It was always was a

780
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 1: really big deal for him because he's always his favorite player.

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Speaker 1: And my boy Sean was calling the game, so I'm

782
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Speaker 1: I'm heckling yet, and so we were just laughing on

783
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Speaker 1: the phone about no one's and I've said just a

784
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Speaker 1: hundred times, like you go back in any of my

785
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 1: posts and workley, I said, no one's read the rule book.

786
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 1: I've argued with NBA guys that I've played, stop telling

787
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 1: me where to travel. You never read the rule book?

788
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,839
Speaker 1: And oh man, I played too. I said, ask my question,

789
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,839
Speaker 1: have you read the rule book? It doesn't matter. I

790
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 1: know you act like you don't even want to play.

791
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 1: Have you read the rule book? No, you have it.

792
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 1: So what happens is people started to stretch certain things

793
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: that let me, let me help you out with violations.

794
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 1: If it's not specified in the rule book, it is

795
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 1: not a violation, no matter how boofy it looks for

796
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Speaker 1: it looks if it's not specified. That's why we keep

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Speaker 1: thinking black and white. It's black and white. But it's

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Speaker 1: actually great, not just great, but it's that you can

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Speaker 1: paint it. It's it's like it's like a law. How

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Speaker 1: many times in law when you go to the courtroom

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Speaker 1: you've seen a Johnny Cochrane paying a picture of black

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Speaker 1: and white. Picture black and white that convinced somebody, Man

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Speaker 1: the glove, don't you kill blood? Don't fit bro, ain't

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Speaker 1: no way he killed yourselves. Bro Listen, we we just

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Speaker 1: a soul caught up into ecstatically. It's how things look.

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Speaker 1: And I'm telling you, man, i'll say something so simple.

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Speaker 1: So I did a long I'm gonna send it to

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Speaker 1: you after this, you know I'm gonna send it to you.

809
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 1: But I did a long thing on travel violations, right,

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Speaker 1: and I took you back to James Naate Smith. When

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Speaker 1: he first started, he had thirteen original rules. Originally you

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Speaker 1: it was nine on nine on half the size of

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Speaker 1: an NBA court. Now you could only take first You

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00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 1: couldn't take a dribble, you had to pass it. But

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Speaker 1: then he added one dribble and you couldn't shoot off

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Speaker 1: the one dribble. It was only to get a better

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Speaker 1: passing angle. Yeah, so he realized over time these were arbitrary.

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Speaker 1: This was not the ten commandments from Mount sign Out

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Speaker 1: that came down. This is a dude in a in

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Speaker 1: a in a class trying to come up with something

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Speaker 1: that's gonna have his kids entertained during the winter months.

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Speaker 1: Do you do you know why the goal is ten

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Speaker 1: feet because the balcony at the y m c as

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Speaker 1: ten feet. That's where they hung the peach basket. It

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Speaker 1: was no science, like based on height it should be eleven.

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Speaker 1: It was no science. It was arbitrary. Right, So what

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Speaker 1: I'm telling people when you start talking about being a

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Speaker 1: purist in the rule, they need to do it the

829
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Speaker 1: way the rules were set up. Now, Bro, you don't

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Speaker 1: want to go back to on a half of court.

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Speaker 1: We're taking wondering how bad with the game? Right? So,

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Speaker 1: folks realized. I realized that if I bounced the ball

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Speaker 1: out and it's I don't I take my hands off,

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Speaker 1: how does that counting towards the dribble and I catch

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Speaker 1: back up to it. But what if I do the

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Speaker 1: same bounce out and instead of letting it completely go,

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Speaker 1: let it ride in my hand and spin. It's centripical force. Right.

838
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 1: This is science to this. When we talk, I talk principles.

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Speaker 1: So don't tell me that I'm can. I'm guiding it,

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Speaker 1: but I haven't controlled it. Right, I'm guiding, but that

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Speaker 1: people can say all the same, you're you're you know,

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00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: that's semantics, but it's a difference between gathered. So so

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Speaker 1: think about this from a travel standpot, tuck it to

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Speaker 1: the body, put both hands on it, get my hands

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Speaker 1: under it, right, or pumme it. Those are the only

846
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Speaker 1: way that a ball can't return to the floor legally.

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Speaker 1: If I'm not doing any of those things, then that

848
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 1: balls live and I can take eight thousand steps between it.

849
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 1: I can take eight thousand steps, let it hanged in,

850
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: pick it up after the eight thousands steps and take

851
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 1: two more. It's it's all about the way we frame it.

852
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 1: And I was getting lamb based it back in the day.

853
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 1: People would come over, Man, you're teaching a bunch of bs,

854
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 1: and I mean really use that bullshit, like say it

855
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 1: that boy, and you're teaching these kids all this stuff,

856
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:20,959
Speaker 1: and I was like, man, I just knew, like, why

857
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 1: why isn't this legal? Why would this be you know,

858
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 1: my hands still on top of the ball, I can

859
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 1: skip into a shot, So why can't I skip and

860
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 1: then pick it up and do a jump stop and

861
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 1: lay it up? Right? Yeah? No, absolutely, the way you've

862
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: where you're talking about the game. But it's always fascinating

863
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 1: me because it's like when you would just be like

864
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:44,839
Speaker 1: sitting here. I remember watching you just trying to work

865
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 1: on stuff and like counting stuff out like you would

866
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 1: be I'll be watching you over in the cut, like

867
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:50,839
Speaker 1: what is it over there doing? But she was like,

868
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 1: you know, you'd be counting your steps, doing your one twos,

869
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 1: and you're real scientific about it. Man. I guess a

870
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: lot of us, a lot of ball players don't read

871
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 1: the rule book. I think I think that should be

872
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 1: at an early age one of the first things that

873
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:06,800
Speaker 1: we give the youth is the actual rule book and test.

874
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you though? Because and nobody does. But that's

875
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 1: the that's the wild part is nobody does. You're one

876
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:16,840
Speaker 1: of the first people that I talked to you about

877
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 1: basketball that that talks about what's in the actual rule book.

878
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 1: Because we feel like we have such a grasp of

879
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 1: all basketball rules because we've played it so much and this,

880
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 1: and that you've been through so many situations when in

881
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: fact you really don't. You almost don't really know remember

882
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 1: where you got it from. You got it when you started.

883
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:36,360
Speaker 1: You started at a lower level of Y M C,

884
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 1: A red ball whatever. As someone said, oh, that's a

885
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 1: travel and you were like, okay, you never question used

886
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 1: the authority, authority validate that you framed everything from that

887
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:53,439
Speaker 1: day for yeah, And like I was always like, so

888
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 1: the new moves that kind of came on and gotten

889
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 1: popular the last decade or so, from the euro to

890
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 1: the side step you know, that little sidestep jumper everybody

891
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,319
Speaker 1: does instead of the straight pull up. I used to

892
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 1: think that those were traveling or I used to have

893
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: issue with those, but that I started to understand and

894
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 1: I looked actually looked it up. You know. I was like, oh,

895
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 1: wait a minute, that's not you can actually do this.

896
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 1: So I think that you're doing that is an excellent thing.

897
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:20,280
Speaker 1: I wanted to flip back though, to steph and Clay

898
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 1: and ask and ask you and ask you kind of

899
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 1: a just uh, I have a theory, right, So they

900
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 1: say Stephane Clay changed the game as far as threes

901
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 1: because their ability to shoot knocked down the high level

902
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 1: efficiency proficiency. I say Mark Jackson changed the game because

903
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:39,839
Speaker 1: he allowed those two to do so and not get

904
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 1: pulled out the game. D League, can you can you

905
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 1: comment on and just help this next generation understand that

906
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 1: there was a time when you couldn't shoot that stuff.

907
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 1: Bro I was just talking to a friend said the

908
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:56,839
Speaker 1: same thing. Man, he says, it's ridiculous how far they pull.

909
00:51:57,800 --> 00:51:59,720
Speaker 1: It's cool he can make the shot, but he missed

910
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:02,359
Speaker 1: one of him here be coming out. So you gotta

911
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 1: think about me like I averaged twenty nineteen and a

912
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 1: half in Juico my second year, had a high game

913
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 1: of forty three, high game in the state that year,

914
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 1: and it was it was you just gotta be hot

915
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: that night because anything else that you do that a

916
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 1: coach doesn't like, he's gonna make. Let me let me

917
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 1: tell I'm gonna tell you this is a this is

918
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 1: a true story, right. We had and I was real

919
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 1: big about performance then man and and my gear. So

920
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 1: my my coach rests Soul entered into a contract with

921
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 1: a six. This was the first year they made basketball

922
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 1: shoes and they looked not only looked like wrestling shoes,

923
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 1: they had hard rubber bottoms. Our court. Our court was

924
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:48,840
Speaker 1: a rubber floor and juco So it was like literally

925
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:51,879
Speaker 1: it was I'm not joking. It was no grip. So

926
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,839
Speaker 1: I got another player of black Nikes and I warm right,

927
00:52:56,440 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 1: and I got a white pair of pumps, uh David Robinsons,

928
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 1: and I wore him in the game. And I went

929
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 1: through it, and I remember average nineteen and a half

930
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:09,799
Speaker 1: of the season, but had about eleven game stretch where

931
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 1: I averaged only about ten points a game because he

932
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 1: was benching me because I wore different shoes colors, right,

933
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 1: But I had the grip, and and he never asked

934
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:26,919
Speaker 1: us like what feels good for you? But does this work?

935
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:29,280
Speaker 1: How does this work? When I went to North Florida,

936
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 1: we had Ky Swiss and guess what I had on

937
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 1: about in the middle of the season, George's I had

938
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:38,839
Speaker 1: some Jay's Olympic additions when I played with the rest

939
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 1: of the way. So again, coaches didn't really take into

940
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 1: consideration what the player needed, wanted, what made them more confident.

941
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:52,359
Speaker 1: Because ultimately, what we're getting to, Chris, and what you're

942
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: asking is is everybody And it pisces me off because

943
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 1: how many folks Dennis Scott was shooting that deep at

944
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 1: joy A detect. You know, I remember he was in

945
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 1: Cameron indoor and and de Scott was shooting from twenty

946
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 1: six Twitter and I was like, nowhere close to the line,

947
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 1: and and and it's imagine he did a little bit

948
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 1: in the league. But imagine Bobby Crimmins which let him

949
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,359
Speaker 1: shoot that. But just imagine you just being encouraged all

950
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 1: the time. Man, it stretches the defense. It makes them

951
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 1: have to come out further, and you got more space,

952
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:31,479
Speaker 1: like the concept what the world to live in? You said,

953
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:33,839
Speaker 1: But I agree. I look, I will, I will go ahead,

954
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 1: and I will say all right, I can see Mark

955
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 1: Jackson changed the game by allowing them to do it.

956
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 1: Was amazing at the time when Mark Jackson came out

957
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 1: and said that this was perhaps the greatest shooting backcourt

958
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 1: would be a history. It's amazing to see all the

959
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 1: people that really looked at him like he was stupid.

960
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 1: You know they you know how they do, you know

961
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 1: how they do how? He said it too. He didn't

962
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 1: say no, not potentially, No, they are the best shooting

963
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 1: at court that this game has ever seen. And to

964
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 1: be so spot on, but never to really receive the credit.

965
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm always used my platform to shout

966
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 1: out Mark Jackson because he he's responsible for something that

967
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 1: truly changed the generation of basketball and now we see

968
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:18,399
Speaker 1: a totally different NBA because of it. Let me let

969
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 1: me get your advantage. You know, I know you got

970
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff to do today. I wanted to

971
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 1: get one more thought from you because I love your

972
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 1: point of viewing perspective. What are your thoughts on just

973
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 1: all the denigration of Lebron James despite what we would

974
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 1: look at as as an unbelievable phenomenal career. What would

975
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 1: you Why do you think there's just so much negativity

976
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:45,839
Speaker 1: and denigration. I think one of the main reasons, man,

977
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 1: and and and uh is he You know, Lebron has

978
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 1: shown front running tendencies, and I think it bothers people

979
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 1: that you know, you stockpile you now, now hold on,

980
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,280
Speaker 1: let's frame it a little different. You say, he's received

981
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 1: a lot of criticism, but he's also received more excuses

982
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 1: than any other start in history, Like, oh, man, his

983
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 1: team's bad, but they used to always put up every season,

984
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:17,400
Speaker 1: they would put up a directive with all of the

985
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 1: faces of the team that he's about to start the

986
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:24,800
Speaker 1: season with who's beating this roster? We run into the chip.

987
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:29,880
Speaker 1: By mid season, all these bums, none of them can play.

988
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 1: He ain't got no help, right, that's front running. So

989
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 1: what Barkley got in trouble was about. It was like,

990
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 1: let's match him up Kevin Love, Clay Thompson, Carrie Steph,

991
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 1: Tristan Draymond, Lebron KD I like our chances right right right,

992
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 1: That's what he was saying, and he got he got

993
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 1: again land based and for saying that, and that's when

994
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:58,439
Speaker 1: Lebron came back. I ain't throw people through a play

995
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 1: glass window and I come up drunk, and nothing to

996
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 1: do with with with basketball, Lebron was. I mean, Berkeley

997
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 1: was speaking strictly basketball. So the hate he receives it

998
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 1: is equal to the excuses that he's been allowed to receive.

999
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 1: And I've never really seen it. Everybody else Kobe got criticized,

1000
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 1: ball hog and this and that. But for whatever reason,

1001
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 1: Lebron has positioned himself, especially with the off court stuff,

1002
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 1: he's positioned himself where he's almost where you can't criticize.

1003
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 1: He came from Akron, he didn't have this and he

1004
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 1: donated this much and and so did Jordan. Jordan donated

1005
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 1: more money than anybody in NBA history, and this documented,

1006
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 1: you can go look it up. And so he's never

1007
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 1: gonna get it because he didn't broadcast. So now we're saying,

1008
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 1: because you didn't broadcast it, you're not good. You you

1009
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 1: didn't do enough, So you should have broadcasted if you

1010
00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 1: do in it. But then if you have broadcasting it,

1011
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 1: then then you were trying to broadcast. You can't you win.

1012
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 1: So what I want Lebron to do sometimes what you

1013
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 1: chase elude you. Lebron will go down as the single

1014
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 1: greatest career in NBA history. He had the greatest career,

1015
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 1: but he wasn't the greatest player. He wasn't even the

1016
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 1: best player. He's It's just it. It's a lot of

1017
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 1: other hip hop artists better than Tupac. But Tupac is

1018
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 1: the greatest m C now. But not because of skill,

1019
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 1: not because because of impact on the game. I don't

1020
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 1: know even in his own era, did he impacted more

1021
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 1: than steps. We just talked about steps. So that Lebron

1022
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 1: change the way it's playing or what did he change

1023
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 1: the business of it? I think I think Lebron is

1024
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 1: effect on the game is more on the business side

1025
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:01,439
Speaker 1: of the things about NBA player powerment, being able to tank,

1026
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 1: call your own shots, become a GM, build your own

1027
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 1: roster for trade force, free agency, that side of things,

1028
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 1: being involved in tons of different business vatures that you know,

1029
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 1: you're a part owner of the Aren't going Liverpool soccer

1030
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 1: team in the Boston Red Side. Let me ask you this.

1031
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, Chris, last question didn't improve

1032
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 1: the game. And I want you to think about it.

1033
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 1: The the effects of squeezing the middleman out of the NBA.

1034
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 1: So the middle class of the NBA, and I'll just

1035
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 1: throw names in that to give you idea. Uh, he's

1036
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:41,920
Speaker 1: a special exception, but Udonis Haslem's the Lasts Stevenson, the

1037
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 1: Matt Barns, the Isaiah Thomas. They're not the superstar, but

1038
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 1: not a rookie. So it's this middle tier that's absent now.

1039
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 1: So what we have is a thirty seven and a

1040
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 1: thirty seven year old Chris Paul Lebron looking like they

1041
00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:06,120
Speaker 1: are improving, not maintaining, but improving because the i Q

1042
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 1: the level of the rest of the league, not physically

1043
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 1: but mentally emotionally. So your vet your vet is a

1044
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 1: I'm a nineteen year old on my VET twenty one.

1045
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 1: What is he gonna What is he gonna teach me

1046
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 1: about professionalism? Everybody didn't have the luxury of having a

1047
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 1: U Dona's hasslm on the team. Right, it's different U

1048
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 1: dinas hassles one point of game is different than the

1049
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 1: rookies one point of game. He brings so much more

1050
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 1: to the table. Right. Patrick Beverley's impact is being seen

1051
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 1: on Minnesota's team. Right, that's a middle guy. But it's

1052
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:49,080
Speaker 1: not a lot of those anymore because they they if

1053
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:51,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pay for four points a game, I gotta

1054
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:54,320
Speaker 1: pay my top tier forty million. So this is the

1055
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 1: thing for the greats to get more money. It squeezed

1056
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:01,920
Speaker 1: out the middle class that's up the NBA, and I

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Speaker 1: don't think there it's not gonna reverse itself anytime soon.

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Speaker 1: I think this is a trend that's gonna continue. I

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Speaker 1: think the league is gonna all it's gonna continue to

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Speaker 1: try to get younger and younger as much as they

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Speaker 1: possibly can. I mean this whole thing with social media,

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Speaker 1: this whole NBA social media, it's almost their one. So

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Speaker 1: now it becomes so everything now is designed and strategized

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Speaker 1: with social media in mind. I mean, I mean nearly everything.

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Speaker 1: And so why why wouldn't you focus on a younger

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Speaker 1: generation and a younger demographic so that you can bring

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Speaker 1: in younger fans and fans that aren't your typical old

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Speaker 1: old head you know, sports fan. I think that person

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Speaker 1: is becoming less of a priority. As far as who

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Speaker 1: the NBA. That's point. Not only is the middle class out,

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Speaker 1: but so it's the old the middle class. Man. I'm

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Speaker 1: not said that's a different that's a different perspective, bro,

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Speaker 1: that's a different perspective, man. But I tell you, man,

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Speaker 1: I pray because us the game we actually love and

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Speaker 1: if I can just I don't care all the other things.

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Speaker 1: If the quality of play from an i Q standpoint,

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Speaker 1: it is maintained and the competitive nature is maintained, they

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Speaker 1: can kick, they can do extra point field goals as

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Speaker 1: a four point play, and I wouldn't be upset about

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Speaker 1: it as long as we still compete and as long

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Speaker 1: as the the i Q is there, the strategy and

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Speaker 1: not just this the laying everybody running to the three

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Speaker 1: point line, kicking it out, lay up at the ram,

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Speaker 1: kicking it out no post of we we still gotta

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Speaker 1: balance the game. So Dorian, Man, I appreciate you joining

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Speaker 1: the show today. Brother, I cannot wait to have you

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Speaker 1: back on again now. Man, I love it though. We gotta,

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Speaker 1: we gotta, and we gotta do this bag because I

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Speaker 1: love again. I love the way you think. And I

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Speaker 1: ain't just I ain't hyping it up. I just love

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Speaker 1: the way when I can talk without it being attacked

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Speaker 1: as hate or whatever. No, let's let's let's have the discussion.

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Speaker 1: It's just a way we can look at stuff differently.

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Speaker 1: And you just made me five different topics look at

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Speaker 1: stuff differently. So I definitely appreciate you. Bro. Yes, their

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Speaker 1: opening minds, ladies and gentlemen, Dorian Lee, but I appreciate

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Speaker 1: you Bett