1 00:00:01,340 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:13,930 Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio. Hello and happy Friday. I'm Tracy B. 3 00:00:13,950 --> 00:00:14,330 Speaker 2: Wilson. 4 00:00:14,710 --> 00:00:18,990 Speaker 1: And I'm Holly Frey. We talked about six Supreme Court episodes, 5 00:00:19,110 --> 00:00:21,930 Speaker 1: six Supreme Court cases this week. Yeah. We did not 6 00:00:21,950 --> 00:00:24,750 Speaker 1: do six episodes, although it is what I call it 7 00:00:24,950 --> 00:00:28,850 Speaker 1: as six impossible episodes. A couple of these probably could 8 00:00:28,910 --> 00:00:31,490 Speaker 1: have stood on their own as full episodes. There was 9 00:00:31,530 --> 00:00:34,809 Speaker 1: enough detail. A lot of the time when we talk 10 00:00:34,950 --> 00:00:38,390 Speaker 1: about Supreme Court cases, most of those have been mine 11 00:00:38,430 --> 00:00:40,450 Speaker 1: to research. And a lot of times there's a more 12 00:00:40,620 --> 00:00:43,560 Speaker 1: in-depth exploration of who these people were, what their whole 13 00:00:43,580 --> 00:00:47,580 Speaker 1: background story was, all of that. And since these cases 14 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:50,340 Speaker 1: have not gotten the same level of historical attention as 15 00:00:50,420 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: things like Brown v. Board, there wasn't as much of that. So... 16 00:00:56,870 --> 00:00:59,420 Speaker 1: The two that maybe could have stood on their own 17 00:01:00,180 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: made more sense as this collection rather than just doing 18 00:01:04,340 --> 00:01:11,340 Speaker 1: one or the other of them. Paddles, man. Oof. I just... 19 00:01:13,190 --> 00:01:16,570 Speaker 1: I cannot imagine any person I know who teaches school today, 20 00:01:16,590 --> 00:01:20,190 Speaker 1: number one, ever striking a child. Right. 21 00:01:20,209 --> 00:01:20,410 Speaker 2: Right. 22 00:01:20,950 --> 00:01:26,230 Speaker 1: Number two, having an implied threat of a paddle displayed 23 00:01:26,250 --> 00:01:29,300 Speaker 1: in their classroom. I just, like, that's just not... Yeah. 24 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:33,620 Speaker 1: That's not how any of the teachers I know today work. 25 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:37,339 Speaker 1: Places I have lived, though, corporal punishment is still legal 26 00:01:37,380 --> 00:01:39,700 Speaker 1: in schools. In North Carolina, where I grew up, it's 27 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:42,030 Speaker 1: one of the states where there's still a law on 28 00:01:42,050 --> 00:01:44,850 Speaker 1: the books, but as far as I know, it is 29 00:01:45,190 --> 00:01:50,230 Speaker 1: banned at all of the school board levels. Yeah. So 30 00:01:50,290 --> 00:01:55,220 Speaker 1: it's not supposed to be implemented anymore. Yeah, you had 31 00:01:55,340 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: asked me when you were first starting this one if 32 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: I had remembered similar things, and I was like, absolutely. 33 00:02:01,500 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: And I got to thinking, and especially after you sent 34 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:09,150 Speaker 1: over the outline, because I moved when I was nine 35 00:02:09,970 --> 00:02:12,310 Speaker 1: from the Pacific Northwest to Florida. 36 00:02:12,770 --> 00:02:13,030 Speaker 2: Right. 37 00:02:13,750 --> 00:02:17,679 Speaker 1: And I don't remember there being any... In the Pacific 38 00:02:17,740 --> 00:02:19,540 Speaker 1: Northwest schools I was in. 39 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. 40 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,740 Speaker 1: Because I remember having a culture shock when I saw 41 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:30,860 Speaker 1: one on a teacher's desk in Florida and being like, what? Right. Yeah. 42 00:02:31,419 --> 00:02:33,299 Speaker 1: I mean, I was not this eloquent about it as 43 00:02:33,340 --> 00:02:35,810 Speaker 1: a kid, but I was definitely like, there is an 44 00:02:35,870 --> 00:02:40,030 Speaker 1: implied danger of violence always at school, like from an adult. 45 00:02:40,150 --> 00:02:40,889 Speaker 1: What is this? 46 00:02:41,510 --> 00:02:41,870 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. 47 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:46,990 Speaker 1: Yeah. We didn't read the part of the decision. There's 48 00:02:47,030 --> 00:02:49,310 Speaker 1: a part of the decision that's like, well, there's no 49 00:02:49,370 --> 00:02:53,370 Speaker 1: move whatsoever for corporal punishment to go away at schools. 50 00:02:54,090 --> 00:02:57,700 Speaker 1: And I would say that's not fully true because there 51 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: are still a lot of states and school systems where 52 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: it's legal. And then there's also the whole issue of 53 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 1: private schools being a whole other thing. But I would 54 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:12,220 Speaker 1: say there is a lot more consistent messaging from things 55 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:19,670 Speaker 1: like academies of pediatrics, teacher unions, those kinds of groups 56 00:03:19,710 --> 00:03:27,670 Speaker 1: saying that disciplining kids by striking them does not work 57 00:03:28,150 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: in the long run and is not good for them 58 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:31,980 Speaker 1: or anyone, really. 59 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:32,100 Speaker 2: Right. 60 00:03:32,610 --> 00:03:34,990 Speaker 1: No, and it's weird because I'm sure you have run 61 00:03:35,010 --> 00:03:38,820 Speaker 1: across this, right? Like, you will see this issue coming up, like, 62 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:41,860 Speaker 1: on social media. And there are always people that pop 63 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 1: in and go, well, I got beat and I'm fine. 64 00:03:45,140 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 1: And I'm just like. 65 00:03:47,580 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: I keep saying it in every behind-the-scenes, but please go 66 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:54,470 Speaker 1: to therapy. I'm not sure you are fine. I don't 67 00:03:54,490 --> 00:03:57,490 Speaker 1: mean to tell you your business. But I don't think 68 00:03:57,530 --> 00:04:00,130 Speaker 1: that's great. And moreover, even if you are. 69 00:04:01,620 --> 00:04:03,540 Speaker 1: It kind of goes back to the same thing as like, 70 00:04:04,660 --> 00:04:07,790 Speaker 1: I paid my student loans, everybody else should. It's like, okay, 71 00:04:07,810 --> 00:04:09,450 Speaker 1: you got beat, but why would you want that for 72 00:04:09,490 --> 00:04:13,790 Speaker 1: somebody else? Like, I don't understand that. I can't remember 73 00:04:13,850 --> 00:04:16,150 Speaker 1: if I've said this on the show before, but when 74 00:04:16,250 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 1: I was young, my mom started putting, I really think 75 00:04:23,980 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: it was $ 50 per paycheck into a savings account for me. 76 00:04:30,180 --> 00:04:33,860 Speaker 1: And with $ 50 a paycheck, was able to save up 77 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:37,219 Speaker 1: enough money for me to go to four years at 78 00:04:37,260 --> 00:04:40,770 Speaker 1: a state-supported school. I had to save up enough money. 79 00:04:40,790 --> 00:04:43,690 Speaker 1: I had to get summer jobs and things to pay 80 00:04:43,770 --> 00:04:47,570 Speaker 1: for books and spending money. So mom had tuition, room, 81 00:04:47,589 --> 00:04:51,270 Speaker 1: and board covered, state-supported school, four years. If I needed 82 00:04:51,330 --> 00:04:52,909 Speaker 1: more than four years or if I had to go 83 00:04:52,950 --> 00:04:55,370 Speaker 1: to summer school, that was going to be on me 84 00:04:55,490 --> 00:04:57,550 Speaker 1: or we would need to take loans. So I was 85 00:04:57,690 --> 00:05:02,180 Speaker 1: able to graduate from public school debt-free. That's what I meant. 86 00:05:02,420 --> 00:05:10,980 Speaker 1: Public college in four years, debt-free. That school costs like 87 00:05:11,020 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: more than four times more than it did when I 88 00:05:13,460 --> 00:05:16,779 Speaker 1: was there. It is not an amount of money that 89 00:05:16,820 --> 00:05:21,260 Speaker 1: can be saved up by $ 50 a paycheck anymore. And 90 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:26,619 Speaker 1: I don't think children should have to go into tens 91 00:05:26,700 --> 00:05:29,180 Speaker 1: and tens or hundreds of thousand dollars of debt to 92 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:31,850 Speaker 1: go to school. No, me either. That's another thing that 93 00:05:31,870 --> 00:05:34,770 Speaker 1: feels really messed up to me because I definitely remember 94 00:05:34,830 --> 00:05:39,490 Speaker 1: the whole conversations about financial aid for school being told 95 00:05:39,610 --> 00:05:46,219 Speaker 1: that that was good debt. Yeah, I mean, I definitely 96 00:05:46,260 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: had debt when I graduated because I wanted to go 97 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: to a private school. 98 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 2: Right. And.... 99 00:05:54,060 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: When I graduated, there were two big loans and my 100 00:05:57,360 --> 00:05:59,099 Speaker 1: dad kind of made the deal of like, I will 101 00:05:59,140 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: work on one, you work on the other. But it 102 00:06:00,670 --> 00:06:02,490 Speaker 1: took me a long time to pay that off. 103 00:06:02,830 --> 00:06:03,210 Speaker 2: Yeah. 104 00:06:03,430 --> 00:06:06,570 Speaker 1: But I did. But I similarly am like, yeah, I 105 00:06:06,630 --> 00:06:09,610 Speaker 1: remember how awful that was and how stressful it was 106 00:06:09,730 --> 00:06:12,770 Speaker 1: as I was also like trying to start my life 107 00:06:12,890 --> 00:06:15,620 Speaker 1: to have that hanging over my head. Why would I 108 00:06:15,660 --> 00:06:18,580 Speaker 1: want to do that to anybody else? Yeah. That was 109 00:06:18,700 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 1: also the why I didn't go to graduate school thing. 110 00:06:24,980 --> 00:06:29,099 Speaker 1: I had applied to some graduate schools that were part 111 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 1: of state-supported universities where I would probably get like a 112 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:34,530 Speaker 1: teaching assistantship, that kind of thing. I did not get 113 00:06:34,550 --> 00:06:37,870 Speaker 1: into any of those. And I cannot remember now if 114 00:06:37,970 --> 00:06:40,789 Speaker 1: I did get into one of the private schools or 115 00:06:40,850 --> 00:06:44,730 Speaker 1: if I was waitlisted. It's been 30-something years. But I 116 00:06:44,790 --> 00:06:49,490 Speaker 1: was going to wind up at least $ 60, 000 in debt. 117 00:06:49,950 --> 00:06:50,190 Speaker 2: Yeah. 118 00:06:50,650 --> 00:06:53,150 Speaker 1: With a Master of Fine Arts in Creative Writing. 119 00:06:53,810 --> 00:06:54,010 Speaker 2: Yeah. 120 00:06:54,690 --> 00:06:57,310 Speaker 1: That big money-making job. Yeah, right. I didn't go to 121 00:06:57,350 --> 00:07:00,170 Speaker 1: graduate school for that reason. So anyway, I have a 122 00:07:00,190 --> 00:07:01,860 Speaker 1: lot of feelings about a lot of things that we've 123 00:07:01,890 --> 00:07:07,180 Speaker 1: talked about today. On a much lighter note, reading about 124 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:12,620 Speaker 1: the school newspaper, The Spectrum. Yeah. The first summary of 125 00:07:12,660 --> 00:07:18,590 Speaker 1: that case that I read described the principal as deleting 126 00:07:19,650 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: the articles before it was published. And I was like, 127 00:07:24,300 --> 00:07:32,750 Speaker 1: how were they making the school newspaper? Because I was 128 00:07:33,050 --> 00:07:40,770 Speaker 1: on the newspaper staff in like 1993, 92, 93 is 129 00:07:40,850 --> 00:07:43,750 Speaker 1: when I would have been on the newspaper staff. And 130 00:07:43,810 --> 00:07:47,810 Speaker 1: that case was a school newspaper that was made in 131 00:07:47,810 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: 1983 and the case decided in 1988. So I'm imagining 132 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: that their process for creating the school newspaper probably involved 133 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: manually pasting paper copies of the articles onto a blue 134 00:08:04,820 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: line sheet that would be sent to the printer. So 135 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 1: cutting and pasting for people who were not doing newspapers 136 00:08:15,620 --> 00:08:20,110 Speaker 1: during this era... you were physically cutting and pasting your 137 00:08:20,170 --> 00:08:23,350 Speaker 1: columns of print onto these things to send to the paper. 138 00:08:24,110 --> 00:08:27,870 Speaker 1: So when I read something that said that the principal 139 00:08:27,950 --> 00:08:31,470 Speaker 1: deleted the articles, I was like, there was no delete. Like, 140 00:08:32,390 --> 00:08:35,410 Speaker 1: you would have to... That key was not a thing. No, 141 00:08:35,929 --> 00:08:39,250 Speaker 1: you would have to pull the things off of the 142 00:08:39,309 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 1: paper and replace them with something else or just have 143 00:08:41,650 --> 00:08:44,660 Speaker 1: blank space there. That would not work. And it wasn't 144 00:08:44,700 --> 00:08:48,180 Speaker 1: until I got to the actual full reading of the 145 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:52,140 Speaker 1: entire decision that I said, oh, right, okay, there were 146 00:08:52,260 --> 00:08:55,910 Speaker 1: two full pages of the newspaper that would be a 147 00:08:55,950 --> 00:09:00,410 Speaker 1: page front and back, effectively, that withheld those whole pages. 148 00:09:00,470 --> 00:09:03,450 Speaker 1: That makes a lot more sense. Yeah, because you couldn't... 149 00:09:03,950 --> 00:09:08,069 Speaker 1: I mean, that's the thing, based on his explanation of, like, 150 00:09:08,110 --> 00:09:09,790 Speaker 1: there was no way to get it to the printer 151 00:09:09,830 --> 00:09:10,929 Speaker 1: in time. Yeah. 152 00:09:11,130 --> 00:09:11,490 Speaker 2: Like, re.... 153 00:09:13,050 --> 00:09:17,489 Speaker 1: Doing the layout of two pages when you have eliminated 154 00:09:17,610 --> 00:09:20,870 Speaker 1: big chunks of them would have been a nightmare. That's 155 00:09:20,929 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 1: a time-consuming task. 156 00:09:22,670 --> 00:09:22,929 Speaker 2: Yeah. 157 00:09:23,420 --> 00:09:26,300 Speaker 1: It was a time-consuming task, and at least for my 158 00:09:26,340 --> 00:09:30,860 Speaker 1: newspaper staff, it was an all-hands-on-deck time-consuming task. Yes. And 159 00:09:30,940 --> 00:09:32,859 Speaker 1: one of my friends who was on newspaper with me, 160 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:38,590 Speaker 1: I think two issues in a row missed layout day because... 161 00:09:38,830 --> 00:09:41,930 Speaker 1: He was ill or something. I don't remember why, but 162 00:09:42,150 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 1: I do remember us being very mad at him for 163 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,260 Speaker 1: missing two consecutive layout days that we were all having 164 00:09:48,300 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 1: to make up for not having that person there to 165 00:09:51,500 --> 00:09:55,670 Speaker 1: lay out the pages. Next kind of offbeat thing from 166 00:09:55,910 --> 00:10:01,700 Speaker 1: the research on this was saluting the flag. Yes, thank you. 167 00:10:01,980 --> 00:10:06,500 Speaker 1: And how the flag salute was described as looking too 168 00:10:06,540 --> 00:10:10,370 Speaker 1: much like a Nazi salute. I don't know if anybody 169 00:10:11,070 --> 00:10:14,550 Speaker 1: still does this, but in the early decades of the 170 00:10:14,809 --> 00:10:17,410 Speaker 1: Pledge of Allegiance to the flag in the United States, 171 00:10:18,330 --> 00:10:23,170 Speaker 1: there was the Bellamy salute. I didn't write down Bellamy's 172 00:10:23,210 --> 00:10:25,700 Speaker 1: first name, but he drafted one of the early versions 173 00:10:25,740 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: of the Pledge of Allegiance. And it was a stiff arm, 174 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:34,940 Speaker 1: hands outstretched, definitely looking like what we think of today 175 00:10:35,380 --> 00:10:40,140 Speaker 1: as a Nazi salute. At the time, the Nazi party 176 00:10:40,179 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: didn't exist. It had not adopted a similar salute as 177 00:10:44,179 --> 00:10:46,900 Speaker 1: the salute that is most known as the Nazi salute today. 178 00:10:47,650 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 1: But the fact that people were still doing a salute 179 00:10:50,940 --> 00:10:54,939 Speaker 1: that looked like that in the 1940s as World War 180 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:56,700 Speaker 1: II was going on, I was like, wait a minute. 181 00:10:57,059 --> 00:11:01,060 Speaker 1: That's weird. That's a little odd. Maybe a different salute 182 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:05,820 Speaker 1: than that. Or no salute. Yeah, I feel like our... 183 00:11:06,020 --> 00:11:09,540 Speaker 1: When I was in school, it was just hand over heart. Yeah, 184 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: it was... Our teachers would be silly and say, put 185 00:11:12,540 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: your right hand over your left heart, which is... Probably 186 00:11:16,490 --> 00:11:19,330 Speaker 1: only one in there, unless you're a Time Lord. I mean, 187 00:11:19,350 --> 00:11:22,650 Speaker 1: that you know of, maybe. Maybe some of those kids 188 00:11:22,670 --> 00:11:27,450 Speaker 1: were from another planet. That's possible. Possible. So, yeah, also, 189 00:11:27,470 --> 00:11:31,770 Speaker 1: I just personally find the Pledge of Allegiance to be 190 00:11:31,820 --> 00:11:34,780 Speaker 1: a little weird. And I don't remember if I ever 191 00:11:35,020 --> 00:11:38,439 Speaker 1: abstained from doing it when I was in school, but 192 00:11:38,460 --> 00:11:45,470 Speaker 1: I would abstain from doing it now. Yeah, I... Aside 193 00:11:45,590 --> 00:11:49,110 Speaker 1: from any, like, what the words you're saying, whether or 194 00:11:49,190 --> 00:11:54,220 Speaker 1: not it invokes religion, etc., I just, on a strict, like, 195 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: person who has watched horror films, get real creeped out 196 00:11:58,220 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: by children speaking in unison. I'm like, oh, no good 197 00:12:04,620 --> 00:12:06,460 Speaker 1: will come of that. Yeah. 198 00:12:06,860 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. 199 00:12:08,620 --> 00:12:10,860 Speaker 1: My last random thing that I have written here is 200 00:12:10,900 --> 00:12:14,819 Speaker 1: just the Warren Court. Yeah. I would say that of 201 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: all the Supreme Courts, which are, you know, if you 202 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:22,250 Speaker 1: don't know that they are usually whoever is the chief justice, 203 00:12:22,350 --> 00:12:24,750 Speaker 1: like they are known as that court for the amount 204 00:12:24,770 --> 00:12:28,610 Speaker 1: of time that that person was the chief justice. So 205 00:12:28,730 --> 00:12:31,730 Speaker 1: the Warren Court is my favorite of the Supreme Courts. 206 00:12:32,450 --> 00:12:36,290 Speaker 1: Sometimes I look at Supreme Court decisions and think that 207 00:12:36,370 --> 00:12:38,990 Speaker 1: the Warren Court was the only good one. I would 208 00:12:39,030 --> 00:12:41,209 Speaker 1: not say I agree with all of the Warren Court 209 00:12:41,270 --> 00:12:45,110 Speaker 1: decisions by any stretch of the imagination, but the Warren 210 00:12:45,150 --> 00:12:48,490 Speaker 1: Court is definitely the court that seems to be trying 211 00:12:49,010 --> 00:12:52,910 Speaker 1: to progress the country in a lot of ways that 212 00:12:53,030 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: other courts have been trying to do the opposite of. 213 00:12:57,740 --> 00:13:01,620 Speaker 1: And I have on my short list of things... the 214 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:03,810 Speaker 1: Warren Court. I don't know if that will ever happen 215 00:13:03,870 --> 00:13:05,890 Speaker 1: because I don't actually know how it will tackle it. 216 00:13:06,470 --> 00:13:09,290 Speaker 1: I've also thought about doing an episode on Earl Warren, 217 00:13:10,690 --> 00:13:14,170 Speaker 1: who was governor of California before becoming a Supreme Court justice, 218 00:13:14,290 --> 00:13:16,860 Speaker 1: and his actions as governor of California, as we have 219 00:13:16,900 --> 00:13:20,179 Speaker 1: talked about on other episodes, were very different from a 220 00:13:20,220 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 1: lot of the things that the Warren Court decided because 221 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:27,479 Speaker 1: he was governor of California in like during the removal 222 00:13:27,540 --> 00:13:31,420 Speaker 1: and internment of Japanese people and their citizen children during 223 00:13:31,470 --> 00:13:34,010 Speaker 1: World War II. One time I said that I had 224 00:13:34,150 --> 00:13:36,930 Speaker 1: speculation that one of the reasons that the Warren court 225 00:13:36,970 --> 00:13:39,410 Speaker 1: was so progressive was that he was kind of atoning 226 00:13:39,470 --> 00:13:43,730 Speaker 1: for that. And I got livid emails about it. So 227 00:13:43,750 --> 00:13:45,710 Speaker 1: I'm saying it again. If you want to send me 228 00:13:45,910 --> 00:13:52,309 Speaker 1: irate email about Earl Warren, I guess go ahead. Holly, 229 00:13:52,330 --> 00:13:56,490 Speaker 1: did you have anything else you wanted to talk about? No! 230 00:13:56,510 --> 00:14:00,510 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's a weird thing, the whole 231 00:14:00,590 --> 00:14:05,949 Speaker 1: idea of, like, how children have been treated and perceived 232 00:14:06,050 --> 00:14:10,330 Speaker 1: and legally protected or not through the years. Oh, sure. 233 00:14:10,670 --> 00:14:14,569 Speaker 1: Always kind of hurts my heart that some of these 234 00:14:14,630 --> 00:14:16,319 Speaker 1: discussions even have to be had. 235 00:14:16,340 --> 00:14:16,410 Speaker 2: Yeah. 236 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:23,170 Speaker 1: And I know, like, It is hard to be a teacher, 237 00:14:23,270 --> 00:14:25,700 Speaker 1: to be a school administrator. Like, those are jobs that 238 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 1: are thankless. And it's very tricky to even discuss these 239 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: because in some cases, like, nobody wants to vilify the 240 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:37,380 Speaker 1: profession of teaching. But there are instances where, you know, 241 00:14:37,420 --> 00:14:41,510 Speaker 1: bad judgment has been exhibited. It becomes a very tricky 242 00:14:41,550 --> 00:14:43,490 Speaker 1: and fraught topic to me. Yeah. 243 00:14:44,050 --> 00:14:44,430 Speaker 2: Anyway. Yeah. 244 00:14:45,390 --> 00:14:46,630 Speaker 1: Nuance in all things. 245 00:14:47,170 --> 00:14:47,450 Speaker 2: Yeah. 246 00:14:48,330 --> 00:14:51,270 Speaker 1: My first draft of the outline ended with the sentence, 247 00:14:51,530 --> 00:14:57,310 Speaker 1: in conclusion, children are persons with rights. And I deleted 248 00:14:57,350 --> 00:15:01,170 Speaker 1: that sentence. I don't remember why. I said it now, though. 249 00:15:02,170 --> 00:15:03,490 Speaker 1: There it went. Yeah. 250 00:15:03,810 --> 00:15:04,010 Speaker 2: Yeah. 251 00:15:12,930 --> 00:15:17,470 Speaker 1: We talked about Ashurbanipal and Ashurbanipal's library this week on 252 00:15:17,490 --> 00:15:21,910 Speaker 1: the show. We sure did. I really was. I don't 253 00:15:21,950 --> 00:15:26,050 Speaker 1: remember if this was before or after. I really hit 254 00:15:26,100 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: a wall in the British Museum because it was very 255 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:34,660 Speaker 1: hot and I was very tired. And we had accidentally 256 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: arranged the day where we did not have lunch in 257 00:15:40,660 --> 00:15:45,830 Speaker 1: between our museum stops. And we were in an area 258 00:15:45,890 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 1: of the museum that's devoted to the ancient world. I 259 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:54,260 Speaker 1: don't remember where specifically where I said, okay, I have 260 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:57,060 Speaker 1: got to sit down and eat or I'm going to 261 00:15:57,140 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: lie down on this floor. Those are the options. And 262 00:16:00,980 --> 00:16:03,060 Speaker 1: then it was either before or after that that I 263 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:08,830 Speaker 1: had become incredibly transfixed by this ancient library, which was... 264 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:12,540 Speaker 1: really what drew me to learning about Ashurbanipal. And then 265 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, wow. Also, ruthless is the term 266 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:19,870 Speaker 1: that gets used a lot. Definitely apt. I'm not laughing 267 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:21,900 Speaker 1: at you being hungry in the British Museum. I'm laughing 268 00:16:21,950 --> 00:16:23,670 Speaker 1: at my own thing when you were talking about what 269 00:16:23,730 --> 00:16:26,310 Speaker 1: section you were in. And I remember being there at 270 00:16:26,390 --> 00:16:28,830 Speaker 1: one point and my friend Woodrow was coming to meet 271 00:16:28,850 --> 00:16:31,590 Speaker 1: me who lives there. And I said, we're in the 272 00:16:32,370 --> 00:16:34,810 Speaker 1: room with the big giant head. And I just got 273 00:16:34,870 --> 00:16:38,860 Speaker 1: the like, typing not typing typing not typing and then 274 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 1: he was like holly that could be like 30 rooms 275 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 1: there are a lot of rooms. 276 00:16:43,420 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 2: Yeah i'm just like okay i'm sorry as i as 277 00:16:49,180 --> 00:16:55,010 Speaker 2: i was reading about all the various assyrian art sculpture 278 00:16:56,010 --> 00:16:59,670 Speaker 2: material that's in the british museum i was having to 279 00:16:59,730 --> 00:17:02,270 Speaker 2: sort of think, did I see that? 280 00:17:02,450 --> 00:17:05,670 Speaker 1: Or did I see a different sculpture that could also 281 00:17:05,710 --> 00:17:06,860 Speaker 1: be described similarly? 282 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 2: Oh, right. 283 00:17:07,500 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 1: Also, we have also in the archive a two-parter on 284 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: the Parthenon marbles. I have a lot of complicated feelings 285 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:19,090 Speaker 1: about the British Museum. 286 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:19,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. 287 00:17:19,930 --> 00:17:23,429 Speaker 1: And to the point that when we were planning the 288 00:17:23,470 --> 00:17:28,010 Speaker 1: trip to England, I went back and forth about whether 289 00:17:28,070 --> 00:17:34,740 Speaker 1: I wanted to go. Because, like, there are incredible things there, 290 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:38,500 Speaker 1: and some of them are incredible things that I would 291 00:17:38,540 --> 00:17:41,020 Speaker 1: love to see in person. But then I also have 292 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:43,399 Speaker 1: the knowledge of how so much of what is in 293 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:49,170 Speaker 1: the museum has this very, at best, questionable history of 294 00:17:50,109 --> 00:17:55,070 Speaker 1: how it got there, including all of these library tablets, 295 00:17:55,150 --> 00:17:57,970 Speaker 1: which were just sort of sent without having been kept 296 00:17:58,330 --> 00:18:03,090 Speaker 1: up with. Some of that being connected to just the 297 00:18:03,130 --> 00:18:06,990 Speaker 1: priority of we need to get this. And then some, 298 00:18:07,430 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 1: the evolution of archaeology as a... Yeah. As a field. 299 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 1: I was kind of reminded of several years ago, Harvard 300 00:18:16,420 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: was doing an archaeological dig on the campus looking for 301 00:18:20,020 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 1: the Harvard Indian School. And Holly, you and I went 302 00:18:23,300 --> 00:18:26,700 Speaker 1: out there to do some video. 303 00:18:27,020 --> 00:18:27,300 Speaker 2: Yeah. 304 00:18:27,530 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 1: A little video field trip. 305 00:18:29,550 --> 00:18:29,770 Speaker 2: And. 306 00:18:30,740 --> 00:18:33,939 Speaker 1: We were standing next to the area where when the 307 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:38,460 Speaker 1: students sifted what they had dug up from this like, 308 00:18:38,510 --> 00:18:42,650 Speaker 1: you know, carefully plotted out area that they were excavating, 309 00:18:43,210 --> 00:18:46,430 Speaker 1: there was an area where they would sift through what 310 00:18:46,470 --> 00:18:49,149 Speaker 1: had been dug and see what was in it. And 311 00:18:49,369 --> 00:18:54,270 Speaker 1: in the sifted area was what was obviously a roof tile. 312 00:18:54,290 --> 00:18:55,050 Speaker 2: Yeah. 313 00:18:55,369 --> 00:18:58,650 Speaker 1: And we had a whole conversation with, you know, the 314 00:18:58,790 --> 00:19:02,010 Speaker 1: professors who were overseeing this about how, like, now this 315 00:19:02,070 --> 00:19:05,290 Speaker 1: roof tile is effectively lost. Like, we don't know where 316 00:19:05,330 --> 00:19:08,010 Speaker 1: the roof tile came from. We have no way at 317 00:19:08,030 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 1: this point to trace it to where in the layers 318 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:15,090 Speaker 1: of the dig, which square it might have been in, 319 00:19:15,180 --> 00:19:17,540 Speaker 1: any of that. And I thought about that when I 320 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:22,460 Speaker 1: was thinking about, like, that was one roof tile. This 321 00:19:22,500 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 1: with the library is... roughly 20 000 tablets and fragments 322 00:19:27,980 --> 00:19:31,980 Speaker 1: yeah i'm curious while you were at the british museum 323 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:35,380 Speaker 1: yes i'm gonna guess the answer's no but did you 324 00:19:35,460 --> 00:19:38,530 Speaker 1: chat up any of the staff i really did not 325 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:42,330 Speaker 1: because i did when i was there last and we 326 00:19:42,369 --> 00:19:45,190 Speaker 1: talked about you know the need for repatriation and stuff 327 00:19:45,530 --> 00:19:47,449 Speaker 1: and i will say it was very refreshing they are 328 00:19:47,530 --> 00:19:50,400 Speaker 1: all on kind of on board but they're all like 329 00:19:50,460 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: when you're in it, though, and you realize how many 330 00:19:53,100 --> 00:19:59,410 Speaker 1: things have to be. sorted through annotated it's so much 331 00:19:59,470 --> 00:20:02,010 Speaker 1: you have to have a plan for how to repatriate 332 00:20:02,050 --> 00:20:04,590 Speaker 1: all of them that's not going to further damage anything 333 00:20:04,630 --> 00:20:08,090 Speaker 1: delicate that also will right ensure its safety they're like 334 00:20:08,410 --> 00:20:10,389 Speaker 1: it just takes so much time and we understand that 335 00:20:10,410 --> 00:20:13,370 Speaker 1: people want us to just give everything back yeah but 336 00:20:13,430 --> 00:20:16,970 Speaker 1: like it's a decades-long process if you want to do 337 00:20:17,020 --> 00:20:19,180 Speaker 1: it properly And I said, I guess I hadn't thought 338 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:22,150 Speaker 1: about how long that timeline has to be. Oh, sure. 339 00:20:22,230 --> 00:20:24,109 Speaker 1: But I was very delighted to talk to them. And 340 00:20:24,130 --> 00:20:26,470 Speaker 1: they were always really, really lovely with me. And nobody 341 00:20:26,510 --> 00:20:28,710 Speaker 1: was like, why are you asking these questions? So it 342 00:20:28,730 --> 00:20:30,790 Speaker 1: was great. It was great. I, on the other hand, 343 00:20:30,830 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 1: was typically like, I do not want to speak to 344 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 1: anyone or be perceived or chat anybody up. I want 345 00:20:36,300 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 1: the inside scoop. 346 00:20:37,690 --> 00:20:37,990 Speaker 2: Yeah. 347 00:20:38,030 --> 00:20:40,770 Speaker 1: At all times. Something that I did notice that I 348 00:20:40,910 --> 00:20:43,970 Speaker 1: had previously felt like was kind of lip service when 349 00:20:44,010 --> 00:20:46,649 Speaker 1: it came to the British Museum specifically was there's a 350 00:20:46,670 --> 00:20:52,149 Speaker 1: whole idea of we have made this collection that's accessible 351 00:20:52,230 --> 00:20:56,360 Speaker 1: to anyone. But the reality is it's in England. So 352 00:20:56,420 --> 00:21:00,479 Speaker 1: it's the most accessible to the people in England. But 353 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:05,580 Speaker 1: when we were there, there were so many people who 354 00:21:05,619 --> 00:21:08,160 Speaker 1: were there at the same time that we were. who 355 00:21:08,220 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 1: were clearly from or closely connected to other places, speaking 356 00:21:14,140 --> 00:21:18,750 Speaker 1: other languages, you know, groups of people together who, you know, 357 00:21:18,790 --> 00:21:22,010 Speaker 1: maybe they live in the UK now, but are fluent 358 00:21:22,090 --> 00:21:25,649 Speaker 1: in some other language. They are speaking together out in 359 00:21:25,670 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 1: the world. And so that did not erase any of 360 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,400 Speaker 1: my qualms but did kind of make me go okay 361 00:21:32,420 --> 00:21:35,440 Speaker 1: there are there is a there's a larger spectrum of 362 00:21:35,500 --> 00:21:37,660 Speaker 1: people here than i thought that then i just sort 363 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:39,850 Speaker 1: of imagined in my head that there would be oh 364 00:21:39,900 --> 00:21:44,550 Speaker 1: yeah yeah yeah yeah a couple of other things that 365 00:21:45,250 --> 00:21:48,850 Speaker 1: kind of jumped out at me one is uh the 366 00:21:49,070 --> 00:21:54,870 Speaker 1: shift in how we talk about the origins of civilizations 367 00:21:56,080 --> 00:22:00,230 Speaker 1: Because when I was in school and even into when 368 00:22:00,310 --> 00:22:05,950 Speaker 1: I was in college in North Carolina in the 1980s 369 00:22:06,050 --> 00:22:10,570 Speaker 1: and 90s, there was this idea of Western civilization. You 370 00:22:10,609 --> 00:22:15,890 Speaker 1: took American history and you took Western civilization. And Western 371 00:22:15,950 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 1: civilization was this framework of looking at history outside of 372 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: the United States, but it kind of was a progression 373 00:22:24,540 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 1: of Mesopotamia to Egypt to Greece and Rome to Europe 374 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: and making this idea of this is Western civilization. Today, 375 00:22:38,859 --> 00:22:42,810 Speaker 1: I would say the more common framework for looking at 376 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:46,930 Speaker 1: this is world history, which is broader in its focus. 377 00:22:47,790 --> 00:22:53,910 Speaker 1: My college alma mater is had a big humanities focus 378 00:22:54,250 --> 00:22:57,790 Speaker 1: and a liberal arts focus for the curriculum. That has 379 00:22:57,890 --> 00:23:01,629 Speaker 1: also been expanded out from... It was not called Western 380 00:23:01,690 --> 00:23:04,250 Speaker 1: civilization when I was there, but it was a very, quote, 381 00:23:04,369 --> 00:23:09,150 Speaker 1: Western focus. And that has become a lot broader. And 382 00:23:09,310 --> 00:23:13,950 Speaker 1: reading through the research for this episode... And sort of 383 00:23:14,030 --> 00:23:18,689 Speaker 1: seeing the focus from much older material versus the focus 384 00:23:18,710 --> 00:23:21,270 Speaker 1: from things that have been written a lot more recently. 385 00:23:21,570 --> 00:23:24,680 Speaker 1: You could really see that shift in the thought process from, like, 386 00:23:24,859 --> 00:23:40,630 Speaker 1: Western civilization to a more global world history. There is 387 00:23:40,690 --> 00:23:44,820 Speaker 1: a book about this library. I have not read it, 388 00:23:44,950 --> 00:23:48,109 Speaker 1: but it does exist. It is called The Library of 389 00:23:48,230 --> 00:23:52,110 Speaker 1: Ancient Wisdom, Mesopotamia, and the Making of the Modern World. 390 00:23:52,300 --> 00:23:58,780 Speaker 1: That is by Selina Wisdom. That's W-I-S-N-O-M, not Wisdom with 391 00:23:58,820 --> 00:24:01,340 Speaker 1: a D. And I did read, I think, a couple 392 00:24:01,380 --> 00:24:04,639 Speaker 1: of papers by the author, and I think listened to 393 00:24:04,740 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 1: one interview. I did not try to read the whole book. 394 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: It's only a couple of years old. That was just 395 00:24:09,660 --> 00:24:11,920 Speaker 1: more than I had the capacity to do. 396 00:24:11,940 --> 00:24:12,420 Speaker 2: Yeah. Wow. 397 00:24:13,210 --> 00:24:18,470 Speaker 1: Preparing this episode. But yeah, that's another foray into much 398 00:24:18,530 --> 00:24:22,750 Speaker 1: longer ago than the 19th century were. I was delighted 399 00:24:22,810 --> 00:24:25,929 Speaker 1: that there was a reference to the possible hanging gardens 400 00:24:25,970 --> 00:24:29,550 Speaker 1: of Babylon. Oh, yeah. Because, as you may recall, we 401 00:24:29,570 --> 00:24:33,470 Speaker 1: talked about that briefly in our episode on hydroponics. Uh-huh. 402 00:24:33,590 --> 00:24:35,390 Speaker 1: This was a good reminder to me that I need 403 00:24:35,430 --> 00:24:40,260 Speaker 1: to finish resetting all of my hydroponic systems. Oh, yeah. 404 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:44,130 Speaker 1: I'm in the middle of, like, big, long reboot of everything, which, 405 00:24:44,150 --> 00:24:48,770 Speaker 1: you know, since it's getting harder and harder to safely 406 00:24:48,810 --> 00:24:52,990 Speaker 1: purchase lettuce. Yeah. I'm very eager to go back to 407 00:24:53,350 --> 00:24:56,130 Speaker 1: just growing my own right here in the office. Yeah, 408 00:24:57,310 --> 00:25:02,850 Speaker 1: we shifted away. We were doing mostly leafy greens and herbs. Yeah. 409 00:25:03,250 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 1: And we had shifted almost entirely to herbs. 410 00:25:07,450 --> 00:25:07,620 Speaker 2: Oh. 411 00:25:08,100 --> 00:25:11,030 Speaker 1: And then all of the Well, and then we also 412 00:25:11,070 --> 00:25:13,490 Speaker 1: had an aphid incident that caused us to lose a 413 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:18,700 Speaker 1: couple things. But we had gotten into a more herb-focused 414 00:25:19,060 --> 00:25:23,980 Speaker 1: thing right when all of that started with the lettuce problems. 415 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:29,460 Speaker 1: And I was kicking myself for having harvested and eaten 416 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:33,750 Speaker 1: up all the lettuce. Same. I was like, we had 417 00:25:33,950 --> 00:25:37,670 Speaker 1: spider mites, which are just persnickety as heck. And even 418 00:25:37,730 --> 00:25:41,020 Speaker 1: if you do all the stuff, sometimes they just won't vanish. 419 00:25:41,060 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 1: So I'm like, great, we're just going to pull everything 420 00:25:43,540 --> 00:25:46,609 Speaker 1: and restart everything. And I've been so slow about that process. 421 00:25:47,450 --> 00:25:51,970 Speaker 1: Partially because we do always keep at least four active 422 00:25:51,990 --> 00:25:56,410 Speaker 1: jalapeno plants growing because my beloved loves them. And also 423 00:25:56,450 --> 00:25:59,110 Speaker 1: I like to use them in cocktails. They're great for 424 00:25:59,170 --> 00:26:01,909 Speaker 1: mocktails if you are not a drinker. They'll still give 425 00:26:01,950 --> 00:26:05,169 Speaker 1: it a nice little kick of that same sense of 426 00:26:05,230 --> 00:26:08,730 Speaker 1: drinking like an alcoholic drink anyway those things are hanging 427 00:26:08,869 --> 00:26:11,010 Speaker 1: on man even though some of them are like the 428 00:26:11,090 --> 00:26:14,650 Speaker 1: mites have gotten us but look behold our glorious bounty 429 00:26:14,710 --> 00:26:17,210 Speaker 1: of fruits yeah so I'm trying to let those die 430 00:26:17,270 --> 00:26:19,169 Speaker 1: out but this is a good reminder this is the 431 00:26:19,230 --> 00:26:22,430 Speaker 1: universe going holly do the thing just clear that biz 432 00:26:22,510 --> 00:26:24,850 Speaker 1: out move those outside and let them live or die 433 00:26:24,890 --> 00:26:26,910 Speaker 1: we don't know what's gonna happen the thing we have 434 00:26:27,270 --> 00:26:30,490 Speaker 1: multiple of is basil yeah have a lot of basil 435 00:26:31,109 --> 00:26:36,379 Speaker 1: we always love a basil Anyway, I liked learning about 436 00:26:37,460 --> 00:26:42,210 Speaker 1: a person that I most associated with the They Might 437 00:26:42,230 --> 00:26:47,490 Speaker 1: Be Giants song called the Mesopotamians, in which the Mesopotamians... 438 00:26:47,460 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 1: are a band that is touring, and it's Sargon, Hammurabi, Ashurbanipal, 439 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,119 Speaker 1: and Gilgamesh. Those are the four members of the band. 440 00:26:56,330 --> 00:27:00,330 Speaker 1: I knew already a bit about Gilgamesh and Hammurabi. I 441 00:27:00,369 --> 00:27:02,170 Speaker 1: don't know a lot about Sargon. I don't know if 442 00:27:02,190 --> 00:27:04,050 Speaker 1: there will be a Sargon episode at some point in 443 00:27:04,090 --> 00:27:07,020 Speaker 1: the future. Do you know what I really want after 444 00:27:07,100 --> 00:27:11,290 Speaker 1: this episode? What's that? Because as you recall... I used 445 00:27:11,310 --> 00:27:15,109 Speaker 1: to work in cataloging in a university library. Oh, yeah. 446 00:27:15,530 --> 00:27:20,410 Speaker 1: I want someone to decipher Ashurbanipal's cataloging system. Yeah. Well, 447 00:27:20,430 --> 00:27:22,910 Speaker 1: some of it is a bit. Like, I read some 448 00:27:22,990 --> 00:27:26,070 Speaker 1: papers that were about looking at the colophons and what 449 00:27:26,109 --> 00:27:31,290 Speaker 1: they said and how there are specific annotations that are 450 00:27:31,450 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 1: used only on specific types of texts. And I don't know... 451 00:27:37,780 --> 00:27:41,580 Speaker 1: if that has been reconstructed into, like, this is what 452 00:27:41,619 --> 00:27:45,640 Speaker 1: the whole system looked like. It's possible that that knowledge 453 00:27:45,830 --> 00:27:49,129 Speaker 1: is in the book, The Library of Ancient Wisdom, Mesopotamia, 454 00:27:49,150 --> 00:27:51,630 Speaker 1: and the Making of the Modern World. Listen, I just 455 00:27:51,670 --> 00:27:55,270 Speaker 1: look forward to a new phase when not only can 456 00:27:55,310 --> 00:27:58,990 Speaker 1: we pit Library of Congress and Dewey Decimal against each other, 457 00:27:59,020 --> 00:28:03,700 Speaker 1: but also a new contender has entered the ring. I'm ready. 458 00:28:04,060 --> 00:28:04,419 Speaker 2: Yeah. 459 00:28:04,940 --> 00:28:07,399 Speaker 1: I have a membership to a private library where the 460 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:11,420 Speaker 1: classifications are Library of Congress and Cutter. Cutter is part 461 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:12,380 Speaker 1: of Library of Congress. 462 00:28:13,010 --> 00:28:13,200 Speaker 2: Oh. 463 00:28:13,369 --> 00:28:17,889 Speaker 1: Cutter numbers are the extended, like, CODA numbers of a 464 00:28:17,930 --> 00:28:23,050 Speaker 1: Library of Congress number. Maybe I'm misremembering, because there's two 465 00:28:23,090 --> 00:28:27,010 Speaker 1: different classification systems in use at the library, and when 466 00:28:27,050 --> 00:28:30,510 Speaker 1: you look for books, it tells you which of the 467 00:28:30,550 --> 00:28:34,710 Speaker 1: classification systems it is filed under. Now it is possible, 468 00:28:35,470 --> 00:28:36,869 Speaker 1: now I'm looking it up really quick. 469 00:28:37,410 --> 00:28:37,730 Speaker 2: Yeah. 470 00:28:38,580 --> 00:28:42,700 Speaker 1: That if you are in, yeah, I always, Cutter numbers 471 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,860 Speaker 1: were always part of Library of Congress. Yeah. There's the 472 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,170 Speaker 1: Library of Congress Cutter table. I'm not losing my mind. 473 00:28:48,810 --> 00:28:51,700 Speaker 1: I am misremembering then what the results say. My curiosity, though, 474 00:28:51,900 --> 00:28:55,180 Speaker 1: is that because it's a private library, if they have 475 00:28:55,220 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 1: a section that is very specifically one thing, they may 476 00:28:59,820 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 1: do away with the earlier half of it and only 477 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 1: work with the cutter numbers. Oh, sure. You know what 478 00:29:04,620 --> 00:29:08,620 Speaker 1: I mean? Because those get into, like, really fine-tuning how 479 00:29:08,700 --> 00:29:11,710 Speaker 1: you designate where things will go on the shelf. 480 00:29:12,390 --> 00:29:12,630 Speaker 2: Yeah. 481 00:29:13,690 --> 00:29:15,870 Speaker 1: I have also had on my short list for a 482 00:29:15,870 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 1: long time dewy as a person me too but i 483 00:29:19,900 --> 00:29:24,350 Speaker 1: just like i know i just don't i don't have 484 00:29:24,550 --> 00:29:30,450 Speaker 1: the patience for such a terrible man yeah yeah yeah 485 00:29:30,750 --> 00:29:33,010 Speaker 1: and i'm not a fan of his system i know 486 00:29:33,070 --> 00:29:35,630 Speaker 1: it's very good for elementary and public libraries i know 487 00:29:35,690 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 1: it is sure but it's so limited sometimes it is 488 00:29:39,500 --> 00:29:42,630 Speaker 1: yeah Just the dumb, just the stupidest thing to get 489 00:29:42,670 --> 00:29:46,090 Speaker 1: irritated by, but there we are. Anyway, we're all going 490 00:29:46,210 --> 00:29:50,610 Speaker 1: to adopt this new form that we're going to discern, 491 00:29:50,630 --> 00:29:53,170 Speaker 1: fully flesh out and develop. 492 00:29:53,730 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. 493 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:59,100 Speaker 1: No, we're not. No, we're not. Well, whatever is happening 494 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,700 Speaker 1: on your weekend, If there's a trip you're going to 495 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 1: make to a museum or a library or someplace where 496 00:30:05,100 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 1: you can find some knowledge that you haven't had previously, boy, 497 00:30:08,700 --> 00:30:12,020 Speaker 1: do I hope that's great. Whatever is happening on the weekend, 498 00:30:12,140 --> 00:30:14,700 Speaker 1: I hope it is going as well as possible. 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