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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, home of the

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Speaker 1: modern whitetail hunter, and now your host, Mark Kenyon. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm your host, Mark Kenyan,

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Speaker 1: and this week on the show, I'm joined by die

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Speaker 1: hard bow hunter Skip Sly to discuss his top tactics

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Speaker 1: for hunting the rut from Michigan to Iowa and points

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Speaker 1: in between. Al Right, welcome to the Wired Hunt podcast,

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Speaker 1: brought to you by First Light, and today we're talking

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Speaker 1: the rut. My friends. It is sweet sweet, oh sweet

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Speaker 1: sweet sweet November. It's here, guys. We are in the

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Speaker 1: month of November. We've been waiting on it, dreaming of it,

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Speaker 1: now happening. Joining me today, we have got a guest

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Speaker 1: who's gonna help us learn how to kill that November buck,

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Speaker 1: how to master the white tail rut. We're talking to

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Speaker 1: Skip Slide and Skips kind of like, uh, he's kind

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Speaker 1: He's this guy that a lot of super serious bow

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Speaker 1: or they admire from afar, but he doesn't show up

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Speaker 1: much on the on the TV shows that the podcast

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Speaker 1: circuit and whatnot. He just kills big deer year after

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Speaker 1: year after year. And what's what's particularly cool about Skip?

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Speaker 1: I think I might be biased here, but he started

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Speaker 1: of my pals you've heard from over the years. And

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Speaker 1: he started traveling to other states. He went all over

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Speaker 1: passion all the way to Iowa and ended up moving

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Speaker 1: there where he is to this day. And now he

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Speaker 1: hunts and manages a number of farms. Um, he does

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Speaker 1: it very very well. You might have seen one of

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Speaker 1: the deer that I believe he had a hand in producing,

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Speaker 1: a two hundred and forty one in buck that his

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Speaker 1: brother and he called angry. His brother Aaron, ended up

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Speaker 1: shooting that deer. Last year. It was featured in a

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Speaker 1: was all over the internet. Um, so that's the kind

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Speaker 1: the website Iowa White tail dot com, which is a

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Speaker 1: terrific online message board and community for die hard deer hunters.

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Speaker 1: I actually has spent a lot of time reading threads

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Speaker 1: over there, even though I live in Michigan, I only

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Speaker 1: hunt Iowa every few years. But there's just a lot

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Speaker 1: of great deer hunting ideas and stories over there for anyone.

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Speaker 1: So that's what skips up to. He has a tremendous

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Speaker 1: both you know, growing up and hunting in Michigan as

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Speaker 1: all these different spots. And today we cover a little

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Speaker 1: bit of everything. We do some background in the beginning,

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Speaker 1: really deep into the rut, covering you know, everything from

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Speaker 1: recommended stands sites to his calling strategies, scouting UH dialing in,

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Speaker 1: whole bunch of stuff like that. But before we get

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Speaker 1: skipped on the line, it seemed like, you know, kicking

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Speaker 1: off November, we needed to have a throwback kind of

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Speaker 1: feel to this episode two. We have to get back

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Speaker 1: a little bit of that energy that Wired Hunt is

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Speaker 1: known for over the years when the O g Speaking ogs,

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Speaker 1: When the O g Old co host comes back on

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Speaker 1: the show, Mr Dan Johnson is going to make a

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Speaker 1: surprise appearance here, folks. Me and my buddy Dan are

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Speaker 1: going to take a little time here to do an

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Speaker 1: of our insights and ideas leading into this most blessed

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Speaker 1: month of the year. And fair warning for everyone, there's

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Speaker 1: gonna be some of that typical Dan Johnson banter about family,

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Speaker 1: about hunt life balance. Uh. You know, if you're a

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Speaker 1: this kickoff to November. I'm excited for this episode, I

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be a great season. I hope by the

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Speaker 1: on the ground. If oh this bump, handshake, high five,

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Speaker 1: Stuff's gonna come together. So let's get to my surprise guest,

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Speaker 1: Mr Dan Johnson. So, my surprise special guest here to

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Speaker 1: kick off the rut is none other than the Man

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Speaker 1: from down Under, Dan Johnson. I don't know how you're

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Speaker 1: than the Man from down Under, but it sounded good. Dan,

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Speaker 1: good night Might How are you buddy? I'm doing good.

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Speaker 1: How are you? I'm awesome. I figured there's no better

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Speaker 1: way to kick off November than for you and me

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Speaker 1: to be back together again, celebrating our favorite time of year.

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Speaker 1: Are you feeling it? Are you excited? Are you amped?

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Speaker 1: Where's the like the Dan Johnson woo? Who? Yeah? So man,

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Speaker 1: it has just been a crazy week here right, So,

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Speaker 1: like I'm not quiet, don't bring down, don't bring us down. No,

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Speaker 1: I know, but here, here's where I'm at. Here's where

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Speaker 1: I'm at. I am, I'm fired up, but I'm looking

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Speaker 1: timing activities, Yeah, horrible timing activities. Um, I still have

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Speaker 1: so I see a list of you know, I'm excited,

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Speaker 1: If that makes sense. It does, And I guess I

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Speaker 1: I am I Rick Flair right now? Not quite, but

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Speaker 1: it will. So so when did when did you lose

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to get all my stuff out for they,

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Speaker 1: what your rut plans are. So how does this change

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Speaker 1: How's that new farm factor? Yeah, the new farm factory

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Speaker 1: I'm not going through an outfitter. I have permission on

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Speaker 1: But so I lost this farm, which is convenient, but

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Speaker 1: and so I'm I'm excited. Wow, yeah that exciting. So

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Speaker 1: being married to uh, I don't know who's like the

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Speaker 1: top notch thing right now. I'm struggling. I pay so

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Speaker 1: This this metaphor isn't gonna work. I guess you went

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Speaker 1: from living in a mansion. Yeah, you went from living

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Speaker 1: So here I have it here, Here's here's what Here's

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Speaker 1: I mean that's that's exactly what it is. So so.

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Speaker 1: But but with that said, I still don't have UM.

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Speaker 1: I still don't have any intel because I haven't checked

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Speaker 1: good deer on the main farm that is already set up. Basically, right,

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Speaker 1: I know everything about the main farm and and how

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Speaker 1: And it's it's more like you know when you have

429
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 1: those short bar old barbed wire fences out there, like

430
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 1: you can see where there's low spots and the deer

431
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,439
Speaker 1: always crossing and stuff. This is one of those fences

432
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,400
Speaker 1: where you're like, I don't know, like a buck has

433
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 1: to really have a good reason to cross this fence. UM.

434
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,199
Speaker 1: And so I'm a little worried, like they might not

435
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 1: ever cross the fence, and uh, unfortunately, like all the

436
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 1: cover in that section is outside of the property, and

437
00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,359
Speaker 1: like the fences, like all the fences inside the trees

438
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,920
Speaker 1: of the field, so it's like basically a cow pasture

439
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:05,440
Speaker 1: and all that. I could see a bunch of deer,

440
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,120
Speaker 1: I'm sure, But am I ever gonna be able call

441
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 1: something over a five ft and a half foot fence

442
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 1: or whatever it is? I don't know, So that that

443
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 1: chunk there, I'm much less confident and after walking it

444
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 1: um compared to what it looked like on the map.

445
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,879
Speaker 1: But the bottom half of the property does have like

446
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,440
Speaker 1: a small chunk of timber like six seven acres down

447
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 1: the bottom that attaches to a piece that's like a

448
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:35,399
Speaker 1: sanctuary like sanctuary. So that the redeeming quality of this

449
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,639
Speaker 1: whole thing is that I'm tucked in really close to

450
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:43,880
Speaker 1: this sanctuary that I know has big deer that don't

451
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 1: get touched. So I just need, you know, some of

452
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,399
Speaker 1: that stuff to trickle over into my little corner, and

453
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,199
Speaker 1: that's that's what I'm going to be banking on with that.

454
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,120
Speaker 1: So that's like a big wild card. I don't, I don't,

455
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 1: I know, I've got the potential for something really cool

456
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 1: to happen. But I also could see these two little

457
00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 1: spots being you know, really really hit or this. Um.

458
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:02,719
Speaker 1: But it was a last minute pick up, and I'm

459
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to, you know, throw up, throw a

460
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:09,719
Speaker 1: dart and see what happens. Yeah. Well, at least you

461
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:13,160
Speaker 1: have the yeah, at least you have the layout, right,

462
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,159
Speaker 1: I mean it sounds to me like and you and

463
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 1: I both know just from hunting enough years that being

464
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,679
Speaker 1: next to a really good spot can make your spot

465
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:30,159
Speaker 1: really good. Yeah. Yeah, and especially during the rut, I

466
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,680
Speaker 1: mean right, you know, any anything is possible during the ruts.

467
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,440
Speaker 1: So so you know, I told him, I plan Nebraska.

468
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:40,919
Speaker 1: My plan Ohio is going to be, you know, depending

469
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 1: what cameras are telling me. If if if that little

470
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,439
Speaker 1: betting chunk on the small property is on fire, um

471
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 1: and there's a good buck in there, I'll spend some

472
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 1: time over there. If not, I'll try the pieces next

473
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,160
Speaker 1: to the sanctuary and just you know, be down as

474
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,919
Speaker 1: close as I can be that sanctuary and have my

475
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,119
Speaker 1: glass up and hopefully catch a big buck curse and

476
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 1: somewhere and right all or grun them in and get

477
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: into my side and just hope for some of that

478
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: RUT magic because I don't have like the primo premo

479
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 1: habitat and the stuff I can hunt, but I'm I'm

480
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 1: really close to it. So um, you know, it's hard

481
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: these days to get a really great spot unless you've

482
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 1: got a ton of money you can throw at it,

483
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 1: or you know, get awesomely lucky like you did in

484
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,360
Speaker 1: that case. So I'm making the best of what I've

485
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: got and uh, and hoping the rut can can make

486
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:28,120
Speaker 1: it happen. But betting areas and I don't really have funnels,

487
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 1: but i't me hunting betting areas and close to betting

488
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 1: areas and trying to call them my ways is basically

489
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,400
Speaker 1: going to be the plan I can I can use

490
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:38,160
Speaker 1: for my route this year. Yeah, well you can always

491
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 1: fall back, you can you can always fall back on

492
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 1: that uh, that fall and distress call that I saw

493
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 1: you use online the other day. You've probably got a

494
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 1: chuckle out of that. I got the biggest chuckle out

495
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 1: of that. And as a matter of fact, um, I

496
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 1: have been pure pressured into making fun of you because

497
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:02,400
Speaker 1: of it, because there's and like there's there was one

498
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,919
Speaker 1: guy who reached out and he said, Dan, if you

499
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: do not make fun of Mark for this, I'm going

500
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 1: to stop listening to both the Wired to Hunt and

501
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 1: the Nine Finger Chronicles podcast. I know that's awesome. I

502
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,199
Speaker 1: know one I record, I'm like this, I'm gonna look

503
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,400
Speaker 1: like an idiot. But people wanted to like to hear

504
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 1: what it sounds like, like like, how do I how do

505
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 1: I demonstrate this and not look like I don't know

506
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 1: an idiot? But you know what, you know what, as

507
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 1: long as you're not doing it in front of like

508
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,639
Speaker 1: thousands of people online, as long as you're doing it

509
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,959
Speaker 1: in the privacy of your own dear stand, it works

510
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: really well. So so don't do it. They have a

511
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: turkey and duck. They have turkey and duck calling competitions.

512
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 1: I wonder if they're if you're going to kick off

513
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 1: something and have like competitive fall and distress call competitions.

514
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 1: I'd owned that ship. I would absolutely own it. You

515
00:28:54,480 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 1: would dominate five time world champion Mark Kenyan. Yeah, man,

516
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 1: if this whole podcasting doesn't work out for me, that

517
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 1: might be the next angle I take. Yeah, you're like

518
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: that guy from the movies. I don't know if you've

519
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 1: ever seen these movies. Because they came out before your

520
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: parents were born, probably, But Police Academy, there was that one.

521
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,719
Speaker 1: There was one guy who could make all those different

522
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 1: noises with his mouth. Yeah, I haven't seen it. Yeah,

523
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: I thought you were gonna I thought you're gonna bring

524
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: up point break. But oh no, No, I can't reflect

525
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 1: on point break right now. But I'm sure if you

526
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 1: give me enough time, I can make some kind of killing.

527
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 1: I'm sure you'll get there. All right, we gotta shut

528
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: this down because folks do want to hear from Skip Slide.

529
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: You ever talked to Skip Slide before? You know who

530
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:44,959
Speaker 1: he is? Yeah, dude, I know Skip. He's from Iowa.

531
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: I no, he's He's one of those guys down in

532
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 1: your neck of the woods who hunts an amazing Iowa farm. Um, well,

533
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 1: he's coming on the show next, so we should probably

534
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: wrap this up so people can hear from someone who

535
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 1: who really knows what they're doing more than you and me. Um,

536
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 1: what tell me this now? After about thirty minutes of

537
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: you and me talking about our rut plans, talking about

538
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 1: the best time of the deer hunting season, do you

539
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:18,719
Speaker 1: have that Rick Flair energy? Now? Whoa there we go alright,

540
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: baby is the rus here. It's sweet November, dude, this

541
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 1: is it. Let's have some fun. Good luck Mark, good

542
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 1: luck to all the listeners, and uh god, I hope

543
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:34,239
Speaker 1: everybody connects me too. Man. Let's let's circle back here

544
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 1: in a week or two share our success stories. Huh

545
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: sounds good. All right, now without other way, let's get

546
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 1: to Skip all right here with me on the show.

547
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 1: We have got Skip Sly. Welcome to the show, Skip, well,

548
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: thanks for having me. I I appreciate making the time here.

549
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: We're recording just at the end of October, so I

550
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 1: know stuff is about to get crazy for you. I'm

551
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 1: sure it's about to get crazy for me to um.

552
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: But you're a guy who you know, We've we've not

553
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: been able to talk before, but I've I've keep on

554
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: hearing your name. I keep on seeing your name pop

555
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: up kind of in under the radar stuff. You're not

556
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: like you're not on the Mark Jury like TV show

557
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,959
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. But like all the serious deer hunters

558
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: know whose Skips Sly is. I keep on getting people say, hey,

559
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: you gotta talk to Skip, you gotta talk to Skip.

560
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm kind of under the radar by design. Um,

561
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: I'm I'm you know, I'm a little bit more of

562
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 1: a private person and my public persona, if you will,

563
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: is more like I like helping younger hunters. Um. A

564
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: lot of people helped me because I started from scratch.

565
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: My parents didn't my family didn't hunt, uh, and I

566
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 1: had a lot of mentors along the way. So that's

567
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: kind of where I dive into the public sphere is

568
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: how can I help people with hunting habitat stuff like that?

569
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: So that doesn't you know, it doesn't put me in

570
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 1: the public light, and I really don't want to be

571
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 1: in the public lights so much, so I live a

572
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: pretty private life. Um. But when when there's an opportunity

573
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: to help people, uh, you know, especially younger hunters who

574
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 1: are you know, just craving good information and stuff like that,

575
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: that's that's where I like my focus to be. Yeah,

576
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: I think I'm thinking this is going to be one

577
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: of those chances. There's me a lot of people listening

578
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: today wanting wanting some quick tips and some some ideas

579
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: and some advice on how to how to make it

580
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: happen during the RUP. But I gotta ask you one

581
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: thing before we get into the nuts and bolts of stuff. Um,

582
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: you were just telling me a second ago that we

583
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: have a shared mutual friend, Andy May, who's one of

584
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 1: the best bow hunters I know. He's the guy who's

585
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: been on this podcast a lot. Um, you both were

586
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: kind of coming up in Michigan at the same time

587
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 1: as younger hunters, figuring this stuff out, and you were

588
00:32:58,440 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: just telling me off air how the two of you

589
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: started traveling out of state and comparing notes and talking

590
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: about what I'm going here, I'm going here. Um. I

591
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: thought that was very interesting that both of you kind

592
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: of starting in a tough state like Michigan and then

593
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 1: branching out and you, of course ended up moving to

594
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: Iowa and he ended up staying here in Michigan. He's

595
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: still doing the traveling on the weekends, you know, kind

596
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: of weekend warrior kind of stuff. Can you give me

597
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: like a five minute kind of background of of what

598
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: that journey looked like for you and how you ended

599
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 1: up discovering what was outside of Michigan and what drove

600
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: you to Iowa eventually. Yeah, it was Um, it really

601
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 1: did have a lot to do with mutual connections Like Andy.

602
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I think most people find guys and you know,

603
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 1: similar ages or in similar kind of journeys in their

604
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: in their hunting journey, if you will, UM that are

605
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 1: trying to see other things, trying to find better hunting,

606
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: trying to have new experiences, and UM that helped me

607
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: a lot to be able to bounce things off of people.

608
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: And even to this day, when you know, I'll talk

609
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: to a hunter from was kind On Center in Minnesota

610
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: or something, I'll you know, I'll just ask them about

611
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 1: where they're at, what's the hunting, like, how's it changed

612
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 1: in the last decade? Um? But to UM, to go

613
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: back to the beginning there, I grew up in UM

614
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: in a county in Michigan that had very little timber,

615
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 1: a lot of people, and very few deers. So UM,

616
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 1: I started hunting a little bit late in life. It

617
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: was maybe fourteen years old when I got into it,

618
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: and UM, nobody taught me how to hunt. My parents

619
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: didn't hunt. I had to have my mom dropped me

620
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: off at places and UM, so I got into it

621
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 1: really late, and I, by definition had to have won

622
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: the award for the worst hunter on Earth. I mean

623
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 1: I was. I was absolutely terrible. Like I would just

624
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 1: show up there because I had no idea what I

625
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,359
Speaker 1: was doing. I would show up there with my bone arrow,

626
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 1: and I would just take a nature walk. I didn't

627
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 1: sit in tree stands, I didn't sit in blinds. I

628
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: just walk around. And and after one season of h

629
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: or the first part of the season of just seeing,

630
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: I saw some tales, I saw some deer running away.

631
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 1: I thought that was just cool. And then very quickly,

632
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: you know, the education started. And it didn't take long

633
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 1: until I until, you know, I got I got to know.

634
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 1: Some folks are like, you gotta get up in a

635
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: tree stand. I mean, this stuff was I'm talking really

636
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 1: basic things was new to me. So, um, you know,

637
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: I'm fourteen years old and finally learning how to climb

638
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:36,240
Speaker 1: up in a tree stand. Uh. And I did get Um,

639
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,280
Speaker 1: I did get a buck the first year I hunted

640
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 1: by pretty much by miracle. And then and then it

641
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 1: just went from being the worst hunter on Earth two

642
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: going deeper in that rabbit hole, and and getting into

643
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: better hunting and improving my skills, getting into new areas,

644
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: getting on a new farms, and just trying to experience everything.

645
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 1: So uh, I got to hunt later in life when

646
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 1: I was about nineteen, when I was in college, I

647
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: hunted down in southern Michigan, and then I lived in

648
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:12,479
Speaker 1: Traverse City for a little while. Really tough hunting up there.

649
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: And then my uncle had a place up in the

650
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 1: up which I visited a few times, mainly just because

651
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 1: it was the middle of nowhere. It was just cool

652
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 1: to be out there. But um, that was a situation

653
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 1: where you really could go a week without even seeing

654
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: a deer um, which was probably the worst scenario of

655
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: all of them. And where I grew up in West

656
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:40,399
Speaker 1: Michigan wasn't far off though. I mean, when you saw three,

657
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: four or five bucks in a whole season and they

658
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 1: were a year and a half old, that was that

659
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: was a good season, or that was a typical season.

660
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: And then when I got down into the farm belt,

661
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 1: I mean that was the first time I saw two

662
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 1: and a half year old deer, you know, getting down

663
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: in Van Buren County, Chelmasoo County, Alsodden, I saw two

664
00:36:57,960 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: and a half year old deer, and then all of a

665
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: a sudden, I saw three and a half year deer,

666
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 1: and then we shot one. And then my brother, like

667
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 1: I was telling you earlier, um, a few years later,

668
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:09,720
Speaker 1: all of a sudden he shot a hundred and seventy

669
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: eight point in southern Michigan, and our eyes were just opened,

670
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 1: and that kind of, you know, that that event kind

671
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 1: of started the floodgates of Wow, what else is out there?

672
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: There's a hundred and seventy two in eight point in Michigan,

673
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 1: which was incredibly rare, I mean, just a freak thing. Um,

674
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,399
Speaker 1: But where else can we go? Where else is it

675
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 1: considerably better? Because all I had knew up until that point,

676
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: just before hunting and Van Buren and Kalmazoo was you know,

677
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 1: Ottawa County where you shot a year and a half old,

678
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 1: maybe got a two and a half year old. So

679
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,760
Speaker 1: it just it just made me go, let's find better places.

680
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: Let's go let's go where it's managed better, or where

681
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 1: there's where they're actually is big deer. You know, all

682
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 1: I knew was seeing some big deer and magazine covers

683
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: and on. There really wasn't much for hunting shows back

684
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 1: then there. So that kind of started my journey. And

685
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: and so you start exploring what was out there. You

686
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 1: then started traveling. Where all did you travel to? What

687
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: were the different states you tested in those years? As

688
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 1: you were exploring the different regions and kind of chasing

689
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: that white tailed passion. So I started out my first

690
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:25,240
Speaker 1: year was we went to Illinois, and this was back

691
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: in the late nineties early two thousand's. Um buddy mine said, hey,

692
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: there's this place called Pike Pike County, Illinois, and there's

693
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: Giant Bucks there. So I started doing as much research

694
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 1: as I could. I mean, I remember that when I

695
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 1: was just starting to like get on the Internet and stuff,

696
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: and UM, so I would look Pike County up and

697
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,399
Speaker 1: I would start talking to people and and they're like, yeah,

698
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 1: it's it's really good. And a lot of people from

699
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,839
Speaker 1: Michigan started going there, and clearly, you know, it's never

700
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: stopped and it's it's became one of the most publicized

701
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: counties in the country and probably had some problems because

702
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: of it. UM. But I said, well, since Pike and

703
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: I did figure this out way back then, I said,

704
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:13,359
Speaker 1: if Pike's that publicized, let's maybe start out at um

705
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,800
Speaker 1: some counties around there. So I just did some research

706
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: which had low populations of people, which had a lot

707
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,800
Speaker 1: of timber, and which had a good composition of egg

708
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: two timber, and I came up with with Fulton and

709
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 1: Skyler County just by doing research. So once we had

710
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 1: those two counties down where I said, I think this

711
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: is where we should start them. We loaded our car up,

712
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 1: my friend Ross and my brother went and we just

713
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:46,280
Speaker 1: started knocking on doors in in the springtime. And everywhere

714
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: we knocked we got permission right out of the gate.

715
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 1: It was the weirdest thing, um. And then we we

716
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: kept knocking on doors and eventually we had a bunch

717
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: of people that are like, well, you know, I let

718
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 1: people hump, but you gotta pay me, you know, hundred

719
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 1: dollars a day or a hundred fifty dollars a day.

720
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 1: So I mean I didn't have it. We didn't have it.

721
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: So so we finally got permission on two different from

722
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: two different farmers, and they each had um kind of

723
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: farms spread out all over like, hey, there's an eighty

724
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: over here you can hunt. There's one sixty over here.

725
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: We got two hundred over there, and you know, some

726
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: of it was pasted or some of it was timber,

727
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: a lot of it was wide open fields, but there

728
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: was enough big timber around there. And I said, okay,

729
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:33,720
Speaker 1: now we got you know, possibly ten, ten or twelve

730
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:37,800
Speaker 1: different little farms we can hunt. So let's get to work.

731
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: And you know, we scouted it all spring and hunted

732
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: it for the first time that fall, and that was

733
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: that was my first experience being in a new state

734
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:49,439
Speaker 1: and and learning what what a lot of different level

735
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 1: of management was like. Yeah, and uh, from there just

736
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 1: went crazy. Huh you yeah, kept doing it. Yeah, I

737
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: I know, I didn't really like Illinois so much. I

738
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 1: mean everywhere we went, UM, it shuffled really quick, Like

739
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,359
Speaker 1: every place we got permission on, you know, the next

740
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 1: year it was leased up. I mean it changed rapidly,

741
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: I mean rapidly within five years, and we'd go to

742
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:18,280
Speaker 1: the next place, and then eventually I knew what was coming.

743
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 1: So I chowed up. There was some money because that

744
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 1: was my only option because I wanted to go there. Um,

745
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 1: but there was just it was really intensely pressured from

746
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: honest state folks. UM. I saw it change really quickly.

747
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 1: So we started going to uh, Kansas, Nebraska, and then Iowa,

748
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: uh in a few other states, Missouri. UM. So we

749
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 1: we bounced around to a lot of different places, and

750
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 1: you know, for me, I didn't I didn't know which

751
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 1: one would be good. I didn't know. Um, I didn't

752
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: have a lot of expectations. I just knew there was

753
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 1: a lot of potential. So um, you know, fast forward

754
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:03,760
Speaker 1: in I uh low twenties, actually is when we started

755
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: going to all these other places. I went to Northeast

756
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 1: Kansas and we ended up shooting phenomenal bucks in Northeast Kansas.

757
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 1: It was just fantastic. Uh. And clearly I fell in

758
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: love with Iowa. Um. You know the first the very

759
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: first time I hunted Iowa. The first morning. I mean

760
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: this maybe it's why I wound up here, I don't know,

761
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 1: but the first morning I shot a um like a

762
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 1: half hour in the stand. I shot a hundred hundred

763
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 1: and seventy seven inch here, and you know it just

764
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 1: points all over. I mean it was it spoiled. Man.

765
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my goodness, I hunt the state for

766
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: a half hour and I shot at one seventy seven.

767
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:48,760
Speaker 1: This this is the greatest place on earth. Clearly, clearly

768
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 1: that was a fluke. But um, yeah, I fell in

769
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 1: love with Iowa right out of the gate, and I

770
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: still I still will go out to Kansas. I love Kansas. Um.

771
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: It'd be my my next next place of passion and

772
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 1: where I'd go if I couldn't hunt Iowa. Um, I

773
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 1: don't think, uh personally, I don't think somebody could pay

774
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 1: me enough to go back and hunt Michigan. I just

775
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 1: couldn't do it. Uh. But I mean I love it.

776
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: I love it out here. And now I live in Iowa,

777
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 1: raised my family in Iowa, and I have farms in Iowa.

778
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 1: But um so I'm in a really good spot now.

779
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: But you know, that's the progression of over twenty years,

780
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 1: I mean twenty five years of going from the absolute

781
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: worst hunting scenario I can imagine um to one of

782
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: the better ones. Um. And there still is I mean

783
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 1: in several states. I mean there's some amazing pockets to

784
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: be found out there. Uh, it just takes some motivation

785
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 1: and time to seek them out and to learn them

786
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:56,240
Speaker 1: and and to put the years into um to figure

787
00:43:56,360 --> 00:44:00,080
Speaker 1: mountain hunt him. Well, I love this, this background you

788
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 1: bring to the table, And the reason why I kind

789
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 1: of wanted to start there is that there's a lot

790
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 1: of folks who share deer hunting advice on TV shows

791
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 1: or podcasts or who write articles, and they have only

792
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 1: ever hunted in Iowa, or only ever hunted in Illinois,

793
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: or they grew up in Kansas and that's where all

794
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:19,839
Speaker 1: their experiences, it's all of their advice, all of their

795
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 1: you know, everything they're bringing to the table is just

796
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 1: on that kind of deer. And as you know, it's

797
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 1: a different situation in Michigan or Pennsylvania or Georgia or

798
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 1: New York State, whatever it is. So I love that,

799
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:35,399
Speaker 1: I love that you have this experience in both. And

800
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:39,479
Speaker 1: I guess the people in Iowa there is a lot

801
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: of people or Kansas or Ohio. There's a lot of

802
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: people from Michigan actually, or Wisconsin or Minnesota, Pennsylvania that

803
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: have moved to these areas from those really hard to

804
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 1: hunt states. And and I'm not necessarily I'm not talking

805
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: about myself, but those people who have had to grind

806
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: it out in those really hard states to hunt, who

807
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 1: are successful there. When they come to a place like

808
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: Iowa or Kansas, or Ohio or um parts Illinois yet uh,

809
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: and they hunt there, they usually flourish because they've they've

810
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: had to grind it out in the toughest environment known.

811
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:15,720
Speaker 1: And then when you put them in an environment that's

812
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: I mean has a lot of potential, they do really

813
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: really well, and they oftentimes do better than the folks

814
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 1: who have lived here forever. Yeah, Yeah, I've always thought

815
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 1: that these are great training grounds, really really good place

816
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: to train up. Absolutely. So let's let's then explore a

817
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: couple of things that you've found over the years. We're

818
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 1: talking the rut. This is coming out like right smack

819
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 1: dab at the beginning of the best time of year

820
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:44,479
Speaker 1: for folks across the country hunting during the rut. First

821
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:49,320
Speaker 1: thing I'm curious about is how would someone be hunting

822
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 1: the rut differently in a state like Michigan versus a

823
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: state like Iowa. Let's let's talk about if you had

824
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 1: to I know you would, you wouldn't do it even

825
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 1: if somebody paid you. But if you had to go

826
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,959
Speaker 1: back to Michigan, knowing what you know about it back there,

827
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 1: what you learned, what did work for you in those years,

828
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 1: what would be some of the things that you'd be

829
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 1: doing there that might be different than all the guys

830
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,919
Speaker 1: on TV are saying about Honey Aisle or Illinois. Yeah,

831
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: and and you know what what I and I listened

832
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 1: occasionally to what a lot of the guys say on TV,

833
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,919
Speaker 1: and there's some good advice out there, But I would

834
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:26,399
Speaker 1: say you'd have to sift through it um, and it

835
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 1: is usually I wouldn't pay attention to a lot of it. UM.

836
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 1: So that's that's really tough to sift through things when

837
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,720
Speaker 1: you're just hearing on TV, or if you're just hearing

838
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 1: it from someone who just wants to sell you something.

839
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 1: That's tough. But um, you know, going going to Michigan,

840
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 1: if I had to start out back there, um, I

841
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: mean clearly, if if I had to do it, I

842
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 1: clearly would target areas that have the best white tail habitat,

843
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 1: have the best age structure, and the best potential. This

844
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 1: is if you're going for a mature Buck or a

845
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 1: better scoring Bucks, stuff like that. Um. And clearly I

846
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 1: think most people would know, hey, let's target the southern

847
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: tier of the state. So so we've got our geographical target,

848
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:16,879
Speaker 1: and you know that's that southern tier is considerably better

849
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,800
Speaker 1: in my opinion than the rest of the state. UM.

850
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 1: So with that, I think generally our approach, especially when

851
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: I was younger, UM, was kind of the shotgun approach

852
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 1: where we didn't we didn't just bank on one farm.

853
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: I mean, we had to play a numbers game. We had.

854
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:38,359
Speaker 1: It was a numbers game for us. It was you know,

855
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: being out in the springtime and you know, putting in

856
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: the work to say, hey, you know it was just

857
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: me and my one brother at the time, but hey,

858
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: we got forty spots picked out. That took a lot

859
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 1: of time. I mean, it took a lot of knocking

860
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 1: on doors, and we went to a lot of places

861
00:47:56,120 --> 00:48:00,320
Speaker 1: that were crowded and well we already got five guys

862
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,359
Speaker 1: hunting in there. And at the time we said, well,

863
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 1: you know, we're we're okay with that. And so we'd

864
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: find all these different places anywhere we could get in.

865
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: I mean it wasn't uh necessarily really well managed farms.

866
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 1: I mean, it was just by permission. So after that,

867
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 1: I think the game for us in Michigan just became

868
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: one a numbers game. Like I said, just having a

869
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: lot of setups, um that we're done right, uh deepen

870
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 1: deep into the timber would be an example. And and

871
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 1: one thing I think that that helped us be successful

872
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: in Michigan that we don't have to do necessarily in

873
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 1: Iowa as much. Um it was we had to hunt

874
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 1: around the people, so where the people were, we avoided that.

875
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 1: You know, you go out to like a um lake

876
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: and you don't know what you're doing fishing and people

877
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 1: see other boats and they go towards those boats. Well

878
00:48:57,719 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 1: that's where the fish are. Well with hunting, when we

879
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 1: saw people in certain areas, we were trying and avoid that,

880
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 1: and we just try and go, Okay, how far back

881
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 1: can we get and where can we find these spots

882
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 1: that are killer? And I can define what killer is,

883
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 1: and I mean there's a lot of variables there, but

884
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 1: how can we find these killer spots? And how can

885
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 1: we find twenty of them? Mean, it's a lot of work.

886
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 1: Anybody can do it. Anywhere you can, you can do this.

887
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 1: It was a lot of work. So how can we

888
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: find twenty different killer spots that don't have five tree

889
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 1: stands hung around them already? And that was a really

890
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,760
Speaker 1: hard task in Michigan, really hard, but it can be done.

891
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:40,359
Speaker 1: It can be replicated over and over and over. So

892
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 1: I would say my brother and I probably had twenty,

893
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 1: maybe even thirty spots picked out across as many farms

894
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 1: as we could, ten farms in southern Michigan. And you

895
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 1: know that would be year one. So hey, we've got

896
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 1: twenty spots, I'd say thirty, um, and then the next

897
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 1: year we'd whittle it down to hey, the you know,

898
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,359
Speaker 1: we we take ten of those spots and we those

899
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 1: aren't good. Those were not well thought out spots, a

900
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 1: lot of problems or just didn't have luck, and we

901
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 1: tweak them. We tried to add five and ten more

902
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 1: good spots, but we generally would go back to extremely

903
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 1: thick cover um terrain changes within the timber, you know,

904
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 1: massive sign if you could find scrape lines, rub linds, whatever,

905
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 1: it was just differences way back in there. Um. And

906
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: that could be so many different scenarios way back in

907
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:42,839
Speaker 1: the timber. Uh. But the obvious spots we personally kind

908
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 1: of avoided them, like, hey, this timber right here gets

909
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:50,240
Speaker 1: narrow going into a um, into a couple of fingers,

910
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,800
Speaker 1: it's a natural funnel. We didn't really hunt that because

911
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,400
Speaker 1: usually there was three, four or five tree stands are

912
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 1: already they either screwed the spot up or the deer

913
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 1: that was in there it was already dead. So so

914
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 1: I would say, um, you know, long story made short.

915
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 1: Hunting around the hunters was critical, and just getting back

916
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 1: into those um those beaten up areas as deep and

917
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:17,800
Speaker 1: overlooked as possible with h with the best sign was

918
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 1: was our model for success back in Michigan. Yeah, that's

919
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 1: that's interesting. Now, those obvious kinds of funnels and things

920
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 1: like that, when you're hunting in a lower pressure state

921
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 1: like in Iowa, you can still hunt those in your

922
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 1: neck of the woods now though, right, it's absolutely and

923
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:36,359
Speaker 1: we had to retrain ourselves when we got out here,

924
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 1: and um, and there's even different different tiers between you know,

925
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 1: when we came to Iowa. Hey, yeah, it was the

926
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 1: same thing to some extent. Yeah, you can hunt this

927
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 1: eighty acres. There is two other guys hunting there. There's

928
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 1: three other guys hunting there. Um, But there was generally

929
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 1: more more box, more a better age class of box,

930
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 1: and you could just get away with a little bit

931
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 1: more just do to the fact that they're they're simply

932
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 1: was just more older bucks. So if one guy tagged out,

933
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 1: there was still probably another mature buck in there, an

934
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 1: older buck in there. So yeah, I mean, we we

935
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:12,359
Speaker 1: did the same thing in Iowa right when we got here.

936
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 1: We just we'd hike way back in there. Um. And

937
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 1: sometimes it was on public land, sometimes it was on permission,

938
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 1: but we just we were so so wired to hike

939
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:24,800
Speaker 1: way the heck back in there and we had great

940
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:28,439
Speaker 1: success doing it, but then we realized, hey, we don't

941
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:31,839
Speaker 1: necessarily always have to do that. And you know, from

942
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:36,319
Speaker 1: there that was you know, twenty years ago, um to now.

943
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 1: It's it's still an evolution of how how we do things.

944
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 1: And I'm changing things even now, and five years from now,

945
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 1: all hunt differently than I hunt now, and I'll learn

946
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: new things. I mean, this learning on this never ends.

947
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 1: And there's like I was talking to earlier, there's no

948
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:53,280
Speaker 1: magic answer. If you do this, if you use this product,

949
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:56,719
Speaker 1: if you hunt this spot, this type of spot, you're

950
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 1: gonna shoot a mature here. It isn't It isn't that

951
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 1: simple at all. Yeah. You know, one of the things

952
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 1: when folks talk about the rut you hear a lot

953
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 1: about is you know, generically high level people will say, well,

954
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:09,959
Speaker 1: you gotta hunt funnels or you gotta hunt dough betting areas,

955
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 1: and you gotta put in a lot of time. And

956
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 1: that's true, all true, and I say the same thing

957
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:16,439
Speaker 1: that the basic principle of it. But it's a lot

958
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:20,359
Speaker 1: harder for especially newer hunters to hear that and then

959
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 1: find something like that on the ground that actually matches up.

960
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:25,800
Speaker 1: And they're like Oh yeah, this is the thing. Um.

961
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,359
Speaker 1: And while you were just talking, you're mentioned like you're

962
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 1: looking for these killer spots, and you'd have twenty or

963
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 1: thirty these killer spots. It got me thinking that it

964
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: could be it might be really interesting and helpful for

965
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 1: you to just describe, like in detail a few of

966
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 1: your killer rut spots now and like why, like specifically,

967
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 1: why this spot works so well for the rut? What

968
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 1: kind of situation would you hunt this kind of set

969
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 1: up in? Um? Because getting these like clear examples sometimes

970
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: can illustrate a concept so much better than just generically

971
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:59,240
Speaker 1: being like, well, hunt type pinches of timber, YadA, YadA.

972
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 1: Are the setups that specifically come to mind when you

973
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 1: think of your best rut setups that you know have

974
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 1: worked for you time and time again, that we could

975
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 1: talk through. Yeah, I've got tree stands that I've had

976
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:15,799
Speaker 1: up for a decade now. Um. Starting out, I mean,

977
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:19,320
Speaker 1: you know a lot of times we were just moving around,

978
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:21,359
Speaker 1: we rarely hunted the same farm more than a year

979
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 1: or two. So now I've had the luxury of hunting

980
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 1: the same farms for decades and and a lot of

981
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:29,759
Speaker 1: my sets I gotta go change the straps puts a

982
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 1: chain on them because I don't know when I'm going

983
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:33,919
Speaker 1: to get back there, and I don't want the tree

984
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 1: stand to grow into the tree. But it's just a

985
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 1: proven spot over and over and over and over. And

986
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 1: you know, when I visualize all these spots, um, I

987
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 1: don't necessarily want folks to get caught up on trying

988
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:49,879
Speaker 1: to understand exactly what I'm describing, because there's so many

989
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 1: diverse types of killer spots I have. I mean, I've

990
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 1: got this spot where the river just bends the right

991
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 1: way and it just it fun these deer um towards

992
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 1: this end of the timber. And then there's this this

993
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:09,799
Speaker 1: natural um kind of wash out of the creek bank

994
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 1: where every deer will cross. And then you go you

995
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:16,839
Speaker 1: go down the river from that crossing, and it's just

996
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:20,320
Speaker 1: a wall on the on the river. It's just a

997
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 1: wall where the deer can't get up it. So so

998
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 1: you found you know, two, it's probably two hundred yards

999
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 1: of wall. And then this major spot where the river

1000
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 1: bends that naturally funnels them around and they're naturally coming

1001
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 1: up this river bank and I mean it's just the

1002
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 1: highway there and then it intersects another trail within there.

1003
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 1: So you get there and you go look at this

1004
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 1: massive trail, which is very basic. I mean, there's a

1005
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 1: massive trail, doesn't mean there's a giant deer there. Doesn't mean, um,

1006
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 1: you're gonna kill a deer there if you sit there.

1007
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:54,400
Speaker 1: But there is a lot of traffic. And then you

1008
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 1: found this intersecting trail. Uh, and then beyond that you

1009
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 1: follow it back in and there's just you know, rubs

1010
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 1: and scrapes, and then and then it it goes into

1011
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 1: a um into a really thick betting area or kind

1012
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 1: of swampy type of area. So there's all these cover changes. Well, um,

1013
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 1: it's just so torn up and I can access it

1014
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:19,840
Speaker 1: reasonably well that during the rut, if you sit on

1015
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 1: a spot with that much traffic, you're gonna see a

1016
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 1: lot of deer. So that just puts kind of the

1017
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 1: odds in your favor. And I've got another spot like

1018
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:30,399
Speaker 1: that where it's kind of in the bottom um off

1019
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 1: of a ridge. And my my worry there at the

1020
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:35,919
Speaker 1: time a decade ago, was that my winds were gonna

1021
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 1: swirl and every time I went in there with like

1022
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 1: a little um milk weed or or whatever, a little

1023
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:45,840
Speaker 1: thing to check the wind. I would notice for whatever

1024
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 1: reason this spot, my thermals would just get sucked up.

1025
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:53,799
Speaker 1: And I can still hunt there any day during the

1026
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 1: rut I want, and I don't hunt it very often,

1027
00:56:56,640 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 1: but um, I never get ended there and for whatever reason,

1028
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 1: my thermals go up. Just how the how the wind

1029
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 1: moves through that spot. But it's got like three ridges

1030
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 1: that all just kind of come down, and all these

1031
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 1: paths off these three ridges just intersect by this tree

1032
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 1: stand and then there's a big betting area to the north.

1033
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 1: So they're all kind of you know, those types of

1034
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 1: spots I would say, are kind of deeper into the timber. Um.

1035
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 1: It's just an intersection of trails. It's a it's a

1036
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 1: terrain change where you just you just look at it

1037
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 1: and you just say, look at look at the cover,

1038
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 1: or look at the trails here, look at the deer

1039
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 1: sign here. It's just every year it's the same. It's

1040
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 1: it will it will be a great spot twenty years

1041
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 1: from now, it'll be it'll be a great spot this year,

1042
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 1: it will be a great spot forever. Um. So we've

1043
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 1: got a lot of those spots. And then the key

1044
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 1: and where I think a lot of people maybe make

1045
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 1: some mistakes, is hey, I got I got two spots

1046
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 1: like that, and they just hunt them over and over

1047
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:57,920
Speaker 1: and over. A lot of guys do what the common

1048
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 1: hunter does, um, And the key is is to have

1049
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 1: twenty spots like that, and you know, now, um, I've

1050
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 1: got I've got a lot of other spots that are

1051
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:11,440
Speaker 1: quite quite a bit easier to hunt. But I guess

1052
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 1: my general rule of thumb, now uh, without getting into like, hey,

1053
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 1: I'm hunting a specific buck or you know, hunting um

1054
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 1: specific farm for reason is you know, I probably have

1055
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 1: maybe five for just myself, maybe five tree stands that

1056
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 1: I can hunt on any given wind. So if there's

1057
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 1: a west wind, I got five different stands I cannot

1058
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 1: if there's an east wind, I have five different stands

1059
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 1: I can hunt north wind, etcetera, etcetera. So I just

1060
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 1: have a lot of options. And I'm very very careful

1061
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 1: now not to not to over pressure anything. Even in Iowa.

1062
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 1: Even in Iowa it still has done. There's a ton

1063
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 1: of mistakes done in Iowa. What about during the rut,

1064
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:54,240
Speaker 1: that idea of over pressuring your spot, would you say

1065
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 1: you can get away with more of that during this

1066
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 1: time of year than you know, early in October. I

1067
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:01,160
Speaker 1: mean to three hunts has got it? Would you say

1068
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 1: that's less of a big deal than to three days

1069
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 1: in a row on October one? Three? Yes, if it's

1070
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 1: if it's just yourself, if if if it's just you

1071
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 1: in this secluded spot, maybe it's the way the heck

1072
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 1: buck back in public, which does exist here. I mean

1073
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 1: there's there's some two mile hikes out on some big

1074
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 1: public tracks out here, um where you can you can

1075
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 1: occasionally find the spot where it really isn't a lot

1076
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 1: of other hunting pressure. So if it's just you, yeah,

1077
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:33,040
Speaker 1: I mean two, three, maybe even four hunts um in

1078
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:36,480
Speaker 1: a really ideal spot. And if you're you're kind of going, hey,

1079
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 1: I want to hunt this spot because just because I

1080
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 1: know it's a good spot I know there's generally as

1081
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 1: mature box on this farm or amature buck on this

1082
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 1: farm that may use it. Um, you know, three, four

1083
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 1: or five hunts I think is probably fine. And then

1084
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 1: you know, if if you want to be more aggressive

1085
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 1: about it and probably smarter about it, you know, those

1086
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 1: those spots like that, you probably a vantageous to get

1087
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 1: in there early in the morning and stay till the

1088
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 1: whole day. I man, it really is not benefiting you

1089
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 1: at all if you can And I did this a

1090
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:12,280
Speaker 1: lot more when I was younger, and I do a

1091
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 1: lot less now just because different reasons. But if you

1092
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 1: can stay there all day, it's very very worthwhile, especially

1093
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:24,400
Speaker 1: in in states like um I or or even Michigan

1094
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:26,920
Speaker 1: when when the deer are really running. I mean there's

1095
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 1: been a lot of instances where it's ten thirty and

1096
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you know, I'm bored out of

1097
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:34,560
Speaker 1: my mind, I think, And also nicee the deer I

1098
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 1: want to shoot or one o'clock. I mean, so yeah,

1099
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 1: three or four or five times on an ideal spot,

1100
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:43,480
Speaker 1: if somebody else isn't isn't goofing it up, I think

1101
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 1: it's very viable. So there's that. There's there's kind of

1102
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:51,520
Speaker 1: two schools of thought on that kind of scenario during

1103
01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:53,480
Speaker 1: the run. There's there's one school that's say, all right,

1104
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:55,440
Speaker 1: if you've got this spot that you have really really

1105
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 1: high confidence in, if you hunt it three days in

1106
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 1: a row all day, event, sure leave that buck will

1107
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:03,960
Speaker 1: come through. While the other school will say, no, you

1108
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 1: should be constantly bouncing from hot sign to hot sign.

1109
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:09,000
Speaker 1: If you have a bad day, don't sit there anymore,

1110
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 1: because you know the rut the rut fest might be

1111
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:13,800
Speaker 1: a half mile away down on the other side. You

1112
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 1: gotta be bouncing around until you find the hot action.

1113
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:19,760
Speaker 1: If you had to choose between those two choices, either

1114
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:22,280
Speaker 1: volume hunting a spot you have really high confidence in

1115
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 1: for that three or four day window, or bounce bounce bounce,

1116
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 1: which would you say is the better chance for consistent

1117
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:31,960
Speaker 1: rut success? Um? I would say, if you go in

1118
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 1: there the first day and you see your target buck

1119
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 1: and you just aren't able to get him an arrange

1120
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, I'd go back to that spot. If

1121
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:42,920
Speaker 1: you're in there the first day in your hot spot

1122
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:46,080
Speaker 1: and you're seeing just a lot of activity and you

1123
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:49,040
Speaker 1: don't feel like you screwed anything up, I would go back.

1124
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 1: If you go into your target spot and it's extremely slow, um,

1125
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 1: or you know you feel like, man, I just bumped

1126
01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:00,760
Speaker 1: a whole lot of deer getting in and out of here,

1127
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 1: or a lot of deer winded me, and you know

1128
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:06,920
Speaker 1: I would I would move. So clearly there's not a

1129
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 1: writer or a wrong answer here. I mean, the guy

1130
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:11,400
Speaker 1: that says you should move if he you know he

1131
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:14,080
Speaker 1: could get proved wrong by the guy that stays because

1132
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 1: there's no perfect answer here. But UM, I think by

1133
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 1: the end of day one, I would adjust based on

1134
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:22,600
Speaker 1: what I see. If I'm seeing a lot of maketure, dear,

1135
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:24,280
Speaker 1: if I'm seeing a lot of deer period and I'm

1136
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:27,200
Speaker 1: like this, this spot is on fire, stay put. If

1137
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 1: it's if he um or problematic at all, I'd get

1138
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:35,720
Speaker 1: out of there and try something different. Okay, what about

1139
01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:39,800
Speaker 1: if you're after a specific deer you know, I know

1140
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:42,560
Speaker 1: that's something that that you it sounds like, have done

1141
01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 1: over the years plenty of times. How does your approach

1142
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 1: to all of this picking a killer spot, determining whether

1143
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 1: or not you're gonna bounce around from location local location,

1144
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:55,080
Speaker 1: or stick it out. When you're shifting from just oh

1145
01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:57,440
Speaker 1: I want a good buck too, I want that buck,

1146
01:02:57,800 --> 01:03:02,640
Speaker 1: how does your rut strategy change drastically? So, UM, I

1147
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:06,120
Speaker 1: would say I've been hunting thirty years, and I would

1148
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:10,960
Speaker 1: say it's the last ten years when I transition from

1149
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:15,320
Speaker 1: almost exclusively hunting for a good buck that I didn't

1150
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:17,440
Speaker 1: know what he was. I had no idea what this

1151
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:19,760
Speaker 1: buck looked like. I just knew I had to go

1152
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:23,000
Speaker 1: in aga buck, look at him and go yep, I

1153
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:25,840
Speaker 1: want to shoot that deer, you know, And clearly a

1154
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:28,160
Speaker 1: lot of that time was before trail cameras were around,

1155
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 1: um to the last ten years, going hey, these are

1156
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:36,000
Speaker 1: the bucks I want to go after. And when I

1157
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:38,800
Speaker 1: find a buck I want to go after, or a

1158
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:43,120
Speaker 1: handful of bucks I go after. Um, you know my

1159
01:03:43,240 --> 01:03:47,760
Speaker 1: approach of hey had permission on five six seven farms.

1160
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 1: You know, there's probably a handful of those farms. I

1161
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:53,280
Speaker 1: really won't even hunt unless I'm just kind of like

1162
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:56,680
Speaker 1: I want to burn a day, or you know, I

1163
01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:59,560
Speaker 1: just want to sit or or do an observation stand

1164
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:01,600
Speaker 1: at at a farm that I don't think has my

1165
01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:05,440
Speaker 1: target buck. So um, I'll just focus on that farm

1166
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 1: or farms where that mature buck lives, and then I

1167
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:13,120
Speaker 1: kill a lot, probably half of the maturity right now.

1168
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:17,320
Speaker 1: I do now in October UM, which somewhat can be

1169
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:20,120
Speaker 1: related to the rut. I mean, these these deer are

1170
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:23,479
Speaker 1: getting a little more aggressive, They're not tolerating other bucks.

1171
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:26,640
Speaker 1: So I killed probably half of them in October, and

1172
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:31,800
Speaker 1: then when it gets in November, my U strategy changes drastically.

1173
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:35,600
Speaker 1: I go clearly from the deer that is traveling, you know,

1174
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:38,720
Speaker 1: three hundred yards from bedding to food and he's kind

1175
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:42,840
Speaker 1: of in that that scrape, rub and food pattern. You know,

1176
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:47,480
Speaker 1: just a small travel area. Now it's just expanding and

1177
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:50,640
Speaker 1: it's just getting larger and larger every day, which is

1178
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:54,200
Speaker 1: good and bad. So if I have a radius of

1179
01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:56,640
Speaker 1: where I say, hey, this deer lives, I want to

1180
01:04:56,680 --> 01:05:01,280
Speaker 1: have you know, maybe five stands in that area for

1181
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:05,000
Speaker 1: different winds. And for me, it's a little bit of

1182
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:08,280
Speaker 1: a crapshoot, but it's a little bit going, Okay, these

1183
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:12,920
Speaker 1: are the best trails. Um, this is the best uh

1184
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:15,160
Speaker 1: you know, maybe maybe it's a spot where this this

1185
01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:18,320
Speaker 1: buck is cruising the edge of a field fifty yards

1186
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:21,200
Speaker 1: in there, checking all the um the trails in and

1187
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:23,280
Speaker 1: out of there for those you know, just sending the

1188
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:26,440
Speaker 1: whole line, you know, obvious spots like okay, I know

1189
01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:29,320
Speaker 1: I can hit a buck on this wind cruising this

1190
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:31,960
Speaker 1: timbered edge, and then there's a spot over on the

1191
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:35,840
Speaker 1: other side of his range where you know, there's a

1192
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:39,200
Speaker 1: major crossing there, and then there's another spot that's kind

1193
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:42,240
Speaker 1: of a funnel. And I'll just pick maybe five or

1194
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:44,760
Speaker 1: six of the best spots I can come up with

1195
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 1: which that's a variety of different types of spots that

1196
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:49,920
Speaker 1: are in his core range. And let's just call it, like,

1197
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 1: you know, an eight core range of where that deer is.

1198
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:57,240
Speaker 1: And I'll just try and rotate it unless unless I know, hey,

1199
01:05:57,320 --> 01:06:00,200
Speaker 1: I I saw him here, and then I'll probably you know,

1200
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:03,640
Speaker 1: change it as needed or hanging to stand as needed.

1201
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:07,680
Speaker 1: But um, I'll just kind of rotate in his core area.

1202
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:12,360
Speaker 1: And and usually you know, you put in the time,

1203
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:16,520
Speaker 1: you do things correctly, you button you, you cross your tees,

1204
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:19,560
Speaker 1: dot your eyes, and do thing and hunt hard. Usually

1205
01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:22,520
Speaker 1: you're gonna get a glimpse of that deer. Um, unless

1206
01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:25,960
Speaker 1: it gets too late into the rut where a lot

1207
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:28,880
Speaker 1: of these deer who knows where they go? Sometimes, I

1208
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:31,800
Speaker 1: mean there's deer that I I've you know, on my

1209
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:34,280
Speaker 1: home farm that I'm like, I know this dear's personality,

1210
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:37,960
Speaker 1: I know uh a lot about where this deer lives.

1211
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:40,920
Speaker 1: And there's certain periods where it's like, man, you caught

1212
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:42,920
Speaker 1: that window where you just don't know where he is.

1213
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:45,960
Speaker 1: I mean, he could be locked down in a weird

1214
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:48,040
Speaker 1: spot with the dough that you're gonna have no chance

1215
01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:50,919
Speaker 1: in getting them really, Um, he could be a half

1216
01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:54,720
Speaker 1: mile away, two miles away, whatever. But that that's when

1217
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:57,360
Speaker 1: I think it gets the most difficult, is when it

1218
01:06:57,400 --> 01:07:01,160
Speaker 1: gets deep into the rut um on on hunting a

1219
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:04,919
Speaker 1: specific box. So so to circle back and make my long,

1220
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:10,480
Speaker 1: long winded answer shorter um earlier in the rut early November,

1221
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:14,720
Speaker 1: late October up until maybe November seven or eight, when

1222
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:17,800
Speaker 1: they really are with does I would say, finding an

1223
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:22,560
Speaker 1: eight to acre core area and just kind of having

1224
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:26,400
Speaker 1: that that area around that box geography pinned down with

1225
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:29,680
Speaker 1: at least five or six different spots that you're like,

1226
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:31,880
Speaker 1: I think there's a good chance he'll travel through here.

1227
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:34,000
Speaker 1: I think there's a good chance I can see him here,

1228
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:37,240
Speaker 1: or you know, this is the type of scenario where

1229
01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:39,600
Speaker 1: he's going to be cruising in here looking for dose.

1230
01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:45,680
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Now what about that next phase once he

1231
01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:50,880
Speaker 1: gets to that with a dough phase November and you're

1232
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:53,080
Speaker 1: saying he might be gone, he might be locked on

1233
01:07:53,120 --> 01:07:56,080
Speaker 1: a dough You just don't know. Uh, you still want

1234
01:07:56,080 --> 01:07:58,440
Speaker 1: to hunt him though, possibly What would you do in

1235
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:00,640
Speaker 1: that situation? Then? How do you make the best of

1236
01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:05,960
Speaker 1: that tougher situation? So I got a dear um maybe

1237
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:10,200
Speaker 1: five years ago. Um I been. I actually went back

1238
01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:14,600
Speaker 1: to hunting closer to food, and a lot of times

1239
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:18,120
Speaker 1: those bucks will take a dough and you know, try

1240
01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:21,080
Speaker 1: and just put bringer into a weird spot for a reason.

1241
01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:24,240
Speaker 1: Weird spot as in other deer don't usually go there

1242
01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:27,080
Speaker 1: because he wants to just keep her out of sight. Well,

1243
01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:30,000
Speaker 1: there's sometimes there's those scenarios where you can't do anything

1244
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:31,519
Speaker 1: about that. But I said, you know what, I want

1245
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:34,080
Speaker 1: to try and find this buck. So I went back

1246
01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:38,200
Speaker 1: to hunting near food. And sure enough, this dough came

1247
01:08:38,320 --> 01:08:41,839
Speaker 1: from a totally different direction as all the other does

1248
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:44,960
Speaker 1: and small bucks that I saw, Like, that's kind of

1249
01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:47,320
Speaker 1: odd that does coming from over there. It was like

1250
01:08:47,400 --> 01:08:50,320
Speaker 1: coming from like right by the road. And this dough

1251
01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:54,439
Speaker 1: comes into the bed or into the into um into

1252
01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:57,439
Speaker 1: this egg type area where a lot of the deer feeding,

1253
01:08:58,200 --> 01:09:00,760
Speaker 1: and right behind her was the buck. I was after him,

1254
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:03,360
Speaker 1: like what in the world they were bettered by the road? Well,

1255
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:06,080
Speaker 1: she has to eat, she wanted to eat. And he

1256
01:09:06,280 --> 01:09:08,240
Speaker 1: I could tell that this buck did not want to

1257
01:09:08,240 --> 01:09:10,479
Speaker 1: be there. He did not want to be by these

1258
01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:12,080
Speaker 1: all the other deer, and he didn't want to be

1259
01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:15,080
Speaker 1: by the other bucks. And sure enough, the other bucks

1260
01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:18,439
Speaker 1: um started coming in there and harass in the dough.

1261
01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:20,880
Speaker 1: He'd run them off, and you could tell he didn't

1262
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:24,479
Speaker 1: want to be there. Um. And he came about fifty

1263
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:27,400
Speaker 1: yards away and just was on that dough. There was

1264
01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:29,360
Speaker 1: nothing I was gonna do to call that buck off.

1265
01:09:29,400 --> 01:09:32,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I could, you know, potentially try and do

1266
01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:35,679
Speaker 1: like a a little buck ground to where it ticked

1267
01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:38,400
Speaker 1: him off, but I mean it didn't work. And and

1268
01:09:38,439 --> 01:09:42,000
Speaker 1: if if I even did it, and he ended up

1269
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:44,080
Speaker 1: just kind of getting her out of there, and I'm like,

1270
01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:48,400
Speaker 1: dang it, I missed my my opportunity. Well, ten minutes later,

1271
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:51,720
Speaker 1: she said, hey, I want food, and she came back

1272
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:54,760
Speaker 1: to that egg field um, and he was. It was

1273
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:56,760
Speaker 1: just a lucky thing. I mean he was right on

1274
01:09:57,240 --> 01:10:00,920
Speaker 1: right behind her and boom, fift in front of my

1275
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:03,880
Speaker 1: stand is where she walked, and I knew because she

1276
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:06,880
Speaker 1: walked there he was following. There's nothing he's going to

1277
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:09,000
Speaker 1: do different. I mean, he is locked on this dough.

1278
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:11,720
Speaker 1: When I shot that deer at fifteen yards, I mean

1279
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:15,520
Speaker 1: it was a a six or seven year old buck um.

1280
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:20,040
Speaker 1: And part of that that's just luck. Uh. Part of

1281
01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:23,520
Speaker 1: that is just changing my strategy a little bit um

1282
01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:26,120
Speaker 1: and realizing that there's just going to be an odd

1283
01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:28,679
Speaker 1: areas a lot of times during that time. And that's

1284
01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:31,839
Speaker 1: what a lot of people will probably call the lockdown phase.

1285
01:10:32,479 --> 01:10:36,719
Speaker 1: And the lockdown phase means that buck is probably uh

1286
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:40,280
Speaker 1: out with that dough in an odd spot. And the

1287
01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:42,960
Speaker 1: last thing I'd add to that, you know when you're

1288
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:46,920
Speaker 1: in the lockdown phase, Um, it's kind of saying like

1289
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:50,000
Speaker 1: most of the bucks are lockdown, doesn't mean all of them.

1290
01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:54,519
Speaker 1: And I also understand, like you know, that lockdown phase

1291
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:56,680
Speaker 1: is gonna last for two or three days and there

1292
01:10:56,720 --> 01:10:59,760
Speaker 1: will be a light switch that happens where it's like, hey,

1293
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:02,200
Speaker 1: he's done with that dough. Now he's looking for the

1294
01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:05,280
Speaker 1: next one. So I'm always kind of ready for that

1295
01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:08,280
Speaker 1: phase to change. And it is a very real thing

1296
01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:10,519
Speaker 1: that I see every year. You don't know when it's

1297
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:13,479
Speaker 1: gonna hit, but I definitely see that lockdown phase where

1298
01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:16,800
Speaker 1: it's very difficult hunting. My buddies are frustrated, you know,

1299
01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:19,160
Speaker 1: I get the text message I'm not seeing anything. It's

1300
01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:23,599
Speaker 1: just like stick with it, stick with it, um, give

1301
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:26,960
Speaker 1: it a few days, try a few new things, try

1302
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:30,760
Speaker 1: some new areas. You can't give up. So it gets

1303
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:32,200
Speaker 1: to be a little bit of a mental game and

1304
01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:35,439
Speaker 1: a little bit of understanding that. You know, any mature

1305
01:11:35,479 --> 01:11:37,439
Speaker 1: buck that's locked down with the dough, it's still a

1306
01:11:37,439 --> 01:11:39,160
Speaker 1: matter of two or three days and he's going to

1307
01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:42,080
Speaker 1: come off that dough and he's gonna become visible again.

1308
01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:45,360
Speaker 1: So so speaking of this whole buck locked on a

1309
01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:48,880
Speaker 1: dough situation, um, you know, I've found I think a

1310
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:51,559
Speaker 1: lot of people have seen where when a buck does

1311
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:53,840
Speaker 1: have a dough like that, they'll they'll stick to a

1312
01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:56,040
Speaker 1: kind of tight spot. He'll he'll get her in some

1313
01:11:56,120 --> 01:11:57,760
Speaker 1: little patch of cover and he'll want to keep her

1314
01:11:57,760 --> 01:12:00,280
Speaker 1: there as much as possible. She might go to feed

1315
01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:02,599
Speaker 1: here and there, but it seems like for that twenty

1316
01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:04,639
Speaker 1: four or forty eight hours or whatever it is, they'll

1317
01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:07,120
Speaker 1: they'll be in a in a zone. And some guys

1318
01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:09,160
Speaker 1: like to get really aggressive with that. And then if

1319
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:11,000
Speaker 1: they see the buck like better with the dough, some

1320
01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:13,720
Speaker 1: guys will actually try to stalk in there, or other

1321
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:16,400
Speaker 1: folks might say, Okay, he was in that cover or

1322
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:18,720
Speaker 1: he left that cover tonight, I'm gonna be in that

1323
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:21,760
Speaker 1: little one acre of of cover, you know, tomorrow morning.

1324
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:23,880
Speaker 1: An hour before daylight and they're gonna come back to it.

1325
01:12:24,240 --> 01:12:26,439
Speaker 1: Do you ever do something like that or what do

1326
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:28,840
Speaker 1: you do when you see a buck with a dough

1327
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:30,599
Speaker 1: and you know, like, all right, he's on or now,

1328
01:12:31,240 --> 01:12:34,280
Speaker 1: um they're gonna be back there or do nothing? So yeah,

1329
01:12:34,360 --> 01:12:39,559
Speaker 1: I mean that's clearly um, clearly no right or wrong

1330
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:43,240
Speaker 1: answer here. I mean, if it's a situation where I'm like, man,

1331
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:45,719
Speaker 1: they are right on, you know, there's a little hump

1332
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:48,920
Speaker 1: before uh, Like if I was driving down the road

1333
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:52,519
Speaker 1: by my farm and I noticed the giant buck was

1334
01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:55,240
Speaker 1: like in this little plum thicket. It's kind of out

1335
01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:57,559
Speaker 1: in the middle of nowhere, Like what in the world,

1336
01:12:58,600 --> 01:13:00,559
Speaker 1: which is what we see? I mean that when people

1337
01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:02,360
Speaker 1: notice this type of stuff, like why is there a

1338
01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:05,040
Speaker 1: buck out always with the dough and there's these weird

1339
01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:08,519
Speaker 1: possible if I knew, like, hey, you know, there was

1340
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:11,880
Speaker 1: a way to stalk up really close and there was

1341
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:14,200
Speaker 1: some kind of visual obstacle where I could get close,

1342
01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:17,920
Speaker 1: absolutely I give it a shot. How often does that happen?

1343
01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:23,160
Speaker 1: I mean rarely. I maybe have done it one maybe

1344
01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:27,320
Speaker 1: two times in my whole life. I'm just me personally.

1345
01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:30,599
Speaker 1: I'm just not super effective at that. Now, other guys

1346
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:35,160
Speaker 1: might be just ridiculously talented at at um stalking on

1347
01:13:35,240 --> 01:13:37,640
Speaker 1: a deer. And if you're if you're talented at at

1348
01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:40,400
Speaker 1: stalking a deer, um, I would say go for it,

1349
01:13:40,439 --> 01:13:45,120
Speaker 1: of course, and it certainly is worth a shot. Uh.

1350
01:13:45,160 --> 01:13:48,559
Speaker 1: Now on the flip side of that, you know, I mean,

1351
01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:52,160
Speaker 1: if I saw it like at noon, I might I

1352
01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:55,000
Speaker 1: might try and hunt hang a stand somewhere close to

1353
01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:57,320
Speaker 1: there where I think you know, they're probably they're probably

1354
01:13:57,320 --> 01:13:59,240
Speaker 1: not gonna sit there the whole day, they're gonna get

1355
01:13:59,280 --> 01:14:01,040
Speaker 1: up and go. Is there is there some kind of

1356
01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:03,120
Speaker 1: spot I can hang close by where I might be

1357
01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:05,240
Speaker 1: able to get them where I think they might go

1358
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:10,680
Speaker 1: by um? Or yes, uh, you know, if there was

1359
01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:14,000
Speaker 1: a way to get in there, you know, super early

1360
01:14:14,240 --> 01:14:16,960
Speaker 1: the next morning in the dark and hanging stand and

1361
01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:19,880
Speaker 1: be close in there absolutely is worth a shot. I mean,

1362
01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:23,040
Speaker 1: when you've got that kind of intelligence, like I just

1363
01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:26,000
Speaker 1: saw a giant buck, I mean, you gotta you gotta

1364
01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:30,040
Speaker 1: just try anything possible, um, whether it's stalking, whether it's

1365
01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:33,600
Speaker 1: setting up close by, whether it's setting up immediately. Um.

1366
01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:35,960
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's for sure a case of getting

1367
01:14:35,960 --> 01:14:38,280
Speaker 1: aggressive when you have a target buck that you know

1368
01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:41,560
Speaker 1: of and you know exactly where he is. That's that's rare,

1369
01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:45,280
Speaker 1: great information. It's not easy, but it's all awesome information

1370
01:14:45,320 --> 01:14:48,439
Speaker 1: to have. Yeah, So speaking of intel, and you know,

1371
01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:52,280
Speaker 1: getting that information you can make make a decision, figure

1372
01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:56,000
Speaker 1: out to hunt from. How do traill cameras factor into

1373
01:14:56,120 --> 01:14:58,880
Speaker 1: your rut hunting if at all? Are they less important

1374
01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:01,599
Speaker 1: at that time of year? Are you religiously still studying

1375
01:15:01,640 --> 01:15:03,479
Speaker 1: them that kind of you know, in that first week

1376
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:09,000
Speaker 1: or two of November, or what's your data kind of analysis? Look? Sure,

1377
01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:13,240
Speaker 1: Um my personal approach which is different than everybody else's.

1378
01:15:13,240 --> 01:15:16,160
Speaker 1: Everybody's got a different view on this. Um, I just

1379
01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:18,200
Speaker 1: want to know a box in the area. That's it.

1380
01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:21,560
Speaker 1: And if he's at an exact spot at such and

1381
01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:26,559
Speaker 1: such time, I mean, okay, especially during the rut, the

1382
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:29,080
Speaker 1: very next day, he's probably going to be in a

1383
01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:31,920
Speaker 1: slightly different spot. He might be in the exact same spot,

1384
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:34,840
Speaker 1: but I just want to know he's in the area

1385
01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:38,479
Speaker 1: and what works for me, which is different than everybody else,

1386
01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:41,599
Speaker 1: but what works for me if he's in that area,

1387
01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:44,920
Speaker 1: then I any any given area, I've got five six

1388
01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:50,200
Speaker 1: seven spots pit around that area, and and like, hey,

1389
01:15:50,240 --> 01:15:53,040
Speaker 1: it alluded to before, Like you know, I've got to

1390
01:15:53,320 --> 01:15:55,160
Speaker 1: I've got to stand for a west wind. I'm not

1391
01:15:55,560 --> 01:15:58,200
Speaker 1: I'm not going to go to that spot where I

1392
01:15:58,240 --> 01:16:01,559
Speaker 1: think he's in the general area and hunt a spot

1393
01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:04,880
Speaker 1: that's blowing right into into the bedding area or something

1394
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:07,720
Speaker 1: like that. I'm still gonna play the wind. Um. It's

1395
01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:11,200
Speaker 1: probably not going to be an absolutely perfect wind, but

1396
01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:13,640
Speaker 1: I'm still thinking of the wind. I'm still cognisant of

1397
01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:16,679
Speaker 1: the wind. I'm never gonna beat the wind completely unless

1398
01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:19,200
Speaker 1: you get a situation where your thermals are going up

1399
01:16:19,200 --> 01:16:21,679
Speaker 1: in the air. Um. So I'm thinking about the wind,

1400
01:16:21,720 --> 01:16:24,519
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about my entrance and exits, and I'm just

1401
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:29,360
Speaker 1: probably spending my time rotating around that that current intel

1402
01:16:29,439 --> 01:16:32,479
Speaker 1: that I know this book is in this area. Let's

1403
01:16:32,479 --> 01:16:36,000
Speaker 1: say it's forty acres, and then just rotate my spots

1404
01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:38,760
Speaker 1: is close to where I think he is as possible,

1405
01:16:39,240 --> 01:16:45,400
Speaker 1: hunting smart spots, hunting correctly, um, and not making a

1406
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:48,800
Speaker 1: host of mistakes that I personally think a lot of

1407
01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:52,479
Speaker 1: people make every year. What are those what are those

1408
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:54,760
Speaker 1: worst mistakes that folks make during the run. What are

1409
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:58,600
Speaker 1: some of those things that come to mind. So I

1410
01:16:58,640 --> 01:17:03,240
Speaker 1: would say, uh, you know, I'll get a low cliche here,

1411
01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:05,800
Speaker 1: but you know, your entrances and exits. We hear this

1412
01:17:05,840 --> 01:17:08,880
Speaker 1: all the time. But uh, you know guys that just

1413
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:11,479
Speaker 1: do not think about their entrances and exits and they're

1414
01:17:11,479 --> 01:17:16,920
Speaker 1: walking through a pick cornfield in the morning when you

1415
01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:19,720
Speaker 1: know that there's all the deer are probably out there

1416
01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:21,800
Speaker 1: when it's dark and you're blowing the whole field up

1417
01:17:22,360 --> 01:17:27,120
Speaker 1: or walking out through, um, you know, when there's a

1418
01:17:27,200 --> 01:17:28,800
Speaker 1: when there's a whole lot of deer out there. I mean,

1419
01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:31,719
Speaker 1: just just pressuring the deer in general, even during the rut,

1420
01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:35,080
Speaker 1: I think it's detrimental, and hunting the same stand over

1421
01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:38,000
Speaker 1: and over and over is clearly detrimental. And these these

1422
01:17:38,040 --> 01:17:40,960
Speaker 1: are kind of elementary things, but at the same time

1423
01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:44,160
Speaker 1: they're not because they see them done so much. And

1424
01:17:44,200 --> 01:17:47,120
Speaker 1: then you know, you'll know this. I mean, I know

1425
01:17:47,200 --> 01:17:50,479
Speaker 1: I'm preaching the choir here, but guys probably know the

1426
01:17:50,479 --> 01:17:53,240
Speaker 1: guys were you know, Hey, I hear the guy across

1427
01:17:53,280 --> 01:17:56,120
Speaker 1: the fence. You know it's uh, it's nine o'clock in

1428
01:17:56,120 --> 01:17:59,920
Speaker 1: the morning and he's rattled eight times already. I mean,

1429
01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:04,120
Speaker 1: everybody knows that guy well, we know that at least

1430
01:18:04,160 --> 01:18:07,800
Speaker 1: I know you don't do that. Um, I don't do it.

1431
01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:11,439
Speaker 1: But yet every farm I've ever been on there's that guy.

1432
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:15,360
Speaker 1: So you know, I would avoid that type of thing. Um,

1433
01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:17,519
Speaker 1: hey man, But when I rattle, it seems like bucks

1434
01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:20,000
Speaker 1: come in. Sure. Sure, you know, usually it's a three

1435
01:18:20,080 --> 01:18:23,960
Speaker 1: year old, but uh or a younger deer. Occasionally it works.

1436
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:26,479
Speaker 1: I mean I do rattle, but I would say, limit

1437
01:18:26,479 --> 01:18:31,519
Speaker 1: your calling, limit your rattling. Um. And then you know

1438
01:18:31,640 --> 01:18:34,240
Speaker 1: your tree stands setups. I mean, when I get into

1439
01:18:34,240 --> 01:18:38,320
Speaker 1: a farm and you know there's eight foot tall ladder stands.

1440
01:18:39,160 --> 01:18:40,800
Speaker 1: I look at a lot of these spots. I mean

1441
01:18:40,840 --> 01:18:43,240
Speaker 1: I see them often eight and ten foot tall ladders,

1442
01:18:43,240 --> 01:18:45,040
Speaker 1: and I'm like, how in the world you draw your

1443
01:18:45,080 --> 01:18:50,120
Speaker 1: boat on a mature buck. It's crazy. So you know,

1444
01:18:50,240 --> 01:18:53,519
Speaker 1: I would say, I hunt on the on the higher

1445
01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:55,519
Speaker 1: end of the spectrum. And I know there's a few

1446
01:18:55,560 --> 01:18:57,559
Speaker 1: buddies of mine out here maybe that will hear this

1447
01:18:57,680 --> 01:19:00,200
Speaker 1: like that. I've seen my stands, and in the is

1448
01:19:00,360 --> 01:19:03,439
Speaker 1: kind of a Michigan thing. But in Michigan, man, we

1449
01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:07,160
Speaker 1: got up there. We got up there because everybody, a

1450
01:19:07,160 --> 01:19:09,240
Speaker 1: lot of guys hunted low and I'm like, I don't

1451
01:19:09,240 --> 01:19:11,640
Speaker 1: want to be seen. I want to get any advantage

1452
01:19:11,640 --> 01:19:15,040
Speaker 1: I can with the scent. And I mean, we were

1453
01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:16,920
Speaker 1: in the clouds up in Michigan and I've had to

1454
01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:19,000
Speaker 1: dial that back now that it came to Iowa. But

1455
01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:24,000
Speaker 1: um hunt, high limit your calling, watch your entrances and exits,

1456
01:19:24,640 --> 01:19:28,879
Speaker 1: Rotate your spots, especially if you're if you're putting pressure

1457
01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:33,680
Speaker 1: on those deer um. You know, your scent control. If

1458
01:19:33,720 --> 01:19:35,920
Speaker 1: you don't think scent control works at all, fine, I

1459
01:19:35,960 --> 01:19:38,960
Speaker 1: don't care, but you know, don't be sloppy with your

1460
01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:41,800
Speaker 1: scent going out there with this figurette smill gas moll.

1461
01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:44,200
Speaker 1: I mean common sense stuff that a lot of guys

1462
01:19:44,240 --> 01:19:47,000
Speaker 1: can't avoid or it's tough for them to avoid. So

1463
01:19:47,560 --> 01:19:49,680
Speaker 1: you know, if I go out there smelling like a

1464
01:19:49,760 --> 01:19:52,600
Speaker 1: slob uh and I'm walking to my stand and I

1465
01:19:52,600 --> 01:19:55,160
Speaker 1: don't and I'm touching everything and crossing all these trails

1466
01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:58,080
Speaker 1: and I smell awful, I'm gonna burn that stuff out quickly.

1467
01:19:58,120 --> 01:20:02,000
Speaker 1: So you know, it's kind of that checklist of ten

1468
01:20:02,400 --> 01:20:06,240
Speaker 1: not not too It's ten important things like don't do this,

1469
01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:09,600
Speaker 1: don't go out there and do these obvious things. But

1470
01:20:09,960 --> 01:20:12,519
Speaker 1: a lot of guys. You know, we'll fall into like

1471
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:15,800
Speaker 1: oh I'm I'm I did eight of those correctly, but

1472
01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:18,240
Speaker 1: I screwed up on two. You can if you want

1473
01:20:18,280 --> 01:20:20,000
Speaker 1: to do this consistently, if you want to get on

1474
01:20:20,040 --> 01:20:23,599
Speaker 1: mature bucks consistently, you can't make those two mistakes. You've

1475
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:26,000
Speaker 1: got ten mistakes you can make, and you can't make

1476
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:29,559
Speaker 1: any of them. I mean we're going to I mean,

1477
01:20:29,640 --> 01:20:32,920
Speaker 1: nothing's perfect, but you're trying to minimize those mistakes and

1478
01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:36,240
Speaker 1: minimize those kind of obvious things like well everybody says this,

1479
01:20:36,360 --> 01:20:39,479
Speaker 1: Well there isn't two things. There's ten things, and don't

1480
01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:42,519
Speaker 1: make those ten mistakes and just keep doing it and

1481
01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:45,479
Speaker 1: doing it and doing it. You know, effective good spots

1482
01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:49,479
Speaker 1: without making the mistakes. Repeat, repeat, repeat. Do not get

1483
01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:53,160
Speaker 1: burned out. This is a mental game. You understand that

1484
01:20:53,240 --> 01:20:56,680
Speaker 1: you may be kind of exhausted six seven days into this,

1485
01:20:56,880 --> 01:20:59,679
Speaker 1: especially if you're hunting all day. It's it's very hard

1486
01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:03,479
Speaker 1: on your body. In your mind. Um, it's exhausting. I

1487
01:21:03,479 --> 01:21:07,719
Speaker 1: mean I wind up kind of tired. Um come November

1488
01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:10,000
Speaker 1: if I've hunted really hard, especially all days, and it's like,

1489
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:12,559
Speaker 1: well I'm sitting why is it? Well, it's it's just

1490
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:15,120
Speaker 1: really tough on you. So just understanding all that and

1491
01:21:15,160 --> 01:21:18,599
Speaker 1: pounding through it. And you know, the guys that are

1492
01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:23,120
Speaker 1: mentally tough, that can go hunt those ideal spots over

1493
01:21:23,200 --> 01:21:25,439
Speaker 1: and over and over, that don't get frustrated and throwing

1494
01:21:25,479 --> 01:21:29,160
Speaker 1: the towel or stop their trip early, are generally going

1495
01:21:29,240 --> 01:21:31,840
Speaker 1: to be vastly more successful. I mean, it's common sense,

1496
01:21:31,880 --> 01:21:37,080
Speaker 1: but it's still worth repeating, very true. Have you found well,

1497
01:21:37,640 --> 01:21:40,760
Speaker 1: how do you handle the mental grind of that? I

1498
01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:42,320
Speaker 1: mean you brought it up. It takes a lot of

1499
01:21:42,360 --> 01:21:48,040
Speaker 1: mental toughness and perseverance and even physical uh, perseverance and

1500
01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:50,160
Speaker 1: toughness to make it through, you know, a week or two,

1501
01:21:50,280 --> 01:21:52,800
Speaker 1: grinding it during the rut, day after day, all day

1502
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:56,000
Speaker 1: many times. Um, how do you handle that? What are

1503
01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:59,240
Speaker 1: the things you do when you find yourself really burnt out?

1504
01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:01,880
Speaker 1: How do you push through that? How do you how

1505
01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:06,640
Speaker 1: do you make it through that? Um? So I've definitely evolved,

1506
01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:09,519
Speaker 1: and I would imagine that a lot of guys who

1507
01:22:09,560 --> 01:22:12,000
Speaker 1: are twenty I would suggest doing what I did it

1508
01:22:12,120 --> 01:22:14,799
Speaker 1: when I was in I was twenty and I'm forty

1509
01:22:14,840 --> 01:22:18,040
Speaker 1: four now. UM, and a lot of guys, if you're

1510
01:22:18,080 --> 01:22:20,760
Speaker 1: listening in your your twenties, you'll probably be more like

1511
01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:23,000
Speaker 1: me at forty four. I mean I've changed how I

1512
01:22:23,040 --> 01:22:26,160
Speaker 1: do things and change how much I hunt. Um, I

1513
01:22:26,240 --> 01:22:28,760
Speaker 1: change how I just try and be a lot more

1514
01:22:28,800 --> 01:22:33,040
Speaker 1: efficient now. So um now, and I'm in a position

1515
01:22:33,080 --> 01:22:35,960
Speaker 1: now where you know, I live right here, you know

1516
01:22:36,040 --> 01:22:39,160
Speaker 1: I live. I'm on my farm all years, so I

1517
01:22:39,160 --> 01:22:41,680
Speaker 1: can do a few things that other people can. And

1518
01:22:41,720 --> 01:22:43,920
Speaker 1: I'll just list to things that maybe somebody can't, but

1519
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:45,720
Speaker 1: maybe a few people like yeah, that does kind of

1520
01:22:45,720 --> 01:22:48,919
Speaker 1: make sense and it sounds easy, but you know, um,

1521
01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:53,080
Speaker 1: I just try to be more efficient. Like if I notice, um,

1522
01:22:53,120 --> 01:22:55,360
Speaker 1: the temperature is going to go up into the seventies

1523
01:22:56,040 --> 01:22:59,639
Speaker 1: in November, can you still kill a mature buck? Then?

1524
01:22:59,640 --> 01:23:01,800
Speaker 1: Apps rebolutely. But those are the days where I'm like,

1525
01:23:01,800 --> 01:23:04,080
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm probably gonna take a few days off.

1526
01:23:04,200 --> 01:23:08,040
Speaker 1: It's in the seventies. It's a deer walking around and

1527
01:23:08,120 --> 01:23:11,840
Speaker 1: running around like like us with a winter coat on

1528
01:23:11,920 --> 01:23:14,320
Speaker 1: in the summer. It's not comfortable. So the deer movement

1529
01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:16,599
Speaker 1: is going to be very suppressed. So I just say,

1530
01:23:16,640 --> 01:23:19,000
Speaker 1: you know, all those those days that are not ideal,

1531
01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:24,040
Speaker 1: I just I take them off, and um, you know,

1532
01:23:24,280 --> 01:23:27,360
Speaker 1: I I kind of picked my days a little bit

1533
01:23:27,360 --> 01:23:32,040
Speaker 1: more on the weather and the barometer. Like the temperature

1534
01:23:32,120 --> 01:23:34,280
Speaker 1: and the barometer. I mean, I don't need an app

1535
01:23:34,360 --> 01:23:37,000
Speaker 1: I just look at Hey, the temperature is going down.

1536
01:23:37,320 --> 01:23:39,759
Speaker 1: Even if it was seventy and now it's it's fifty.

1537
01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:43,719
Speaker 1: Still touch form. Okay, that's fine. But the temperature went down,

1538
01:23:44,040 --> 01:23:47,080
Speaker 1: the barometer went up. I go up, temperature goes up,

1539
01:23:47,120 --> 01:23:51,320
Speaker 1: barometer goes down. I don't go out usually. Um. Now,

1540
01:23:51,880 --> 01:23:54,959
Speaker 1: if you're in a situation where hey, man, I took vacation,

1541
01:23:55,439 --> 01:23:59,000
Speaker 1: I took November three through ten off, I have to go. Yeah.

1542
01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:02,480
Speaker 1: I would hunt every single day unless it's just a catastrophe.

1543
01:24:02,520 --> 01:24:04,200
Speaker 1: And I we used to go out when it was

1544
01:24:04,360 --> 01:24:09,360
Speaker 1: thunderstorming out and it's forty winds. We still went out.

1545
01:24:09,400 --> 01:24:14,839
Speaker 1: It was yeah, exactly, And we were just so intense

1546
01:24:14,920 --> 01:24:18,000
Speaker 1: back then. And now I'll be honest, now you know

1547
01:24:18,120 --> 01:24:20,840
Speaker 1: twenty years later, I don't do that. I just oh great,

1548
01:24:21,080 --> 01:24:26,920
Speaker 1: I'm sleeping in, I'm making a big breakfast. I'm gonna relax. Um.

1549
01:24:26,960 --> 01:24:30,320
Speaker 1: So you know, I would say, what's changes. I'm a

1550
01:24:30,320 --> 01:24:33,400
Speaker 1: little more efficient. I picked my days more carefully. Uh,

1551
01:24:33,560 --> 01:24:37,800
Speaker 1: the days off, Um, I try and enjoy them. I

1552
01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:40,160
Speaker 1: try and do something a little bit active. I think

1553
01:24:40,640 --> 01:24:43,479
Speaker 1: it's a little bit tough maybe mentally for hunters when

1554
01:24:43,720 --> 01:24:47,080
Speaker 1: you're like, hey, I'm sitting all day, I'm inactive. Well,

1555
01:24:47,680 --> 01:24:50,559
Speaker 1: especially if you're a guy that's used to being fairly active.

1556
01:24:51,080 --> 01:24:53,880
Speaker 1: That's you know, it's it's maybe good to have a

1557
01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:57,960
Speaker 1: day to relax and move around. And um, I'm making

1558
01:24:57,960 --> 01:24:59,680
Speaker 1: this up, and this isn't what people are gonna do,

1559
01:24:59,720 --> 01:25:03,679
Speaker 1: but hypothetically, if I could take a day off that's

1560
01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:06,400
Speaker 1: like really warm and go pheasant hunting and like walk

1561
01:25:06,439 --> 01:25:10,120
Speaker 1: around a field and get get my blood going, um,

1562
01:25:10,400 --> 01:25:13,479
Speaker 1: get some exercise in, it's actually really good. I think

1563
01:25:13,560 --> 01:25:15,880
Speaker 1: it's really good for like the long game of hunting

1564
01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:19,640
Speaker 1: on enduring it to just you know, get yourself reinvigorated.

1565
01:25:19,680 --> 01:25:22,160
Speaker 1: I mean, technically, if you if you hunted hard for

1566
01:25:22,240 --> 01:25:24,800
Speaker 1: ten days and we're sitting there, if you went back

1567
01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:27,760
Speaker 1: home and got a day in of a couple of

1568
01:25:27,800 --> 01:25:29,840
Speaker 1: days in of exercise and going to the gym or

1569
01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:32,320
Speaker 1: whatever and just getting back into the routine, you'll probably

1570
01:25:32,400 --> 01:25:36,400
Speaker 1: be right ready to go back at it again. Um,

1571
01:25:36,520 --> 01:25:39,000
Speaker 1: which is why I you know, I don't think we

1572
01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:42,680
Speaker 1: usually ever had trips past about ten days, because I

1573
01:25:42,760 --> 01:25:45,000
Speaker 1: knew we would just we were so burnt out after

1574
01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:48,080
Speaker 1: about day ten that now I've just kind of adapted

1575
01:25:48,120 --> 01:25:50,840
Speaker 1: and said, all right, I'm gonna hunt in five, six,

1576
01:25:50,880 --> 01:25:54,519
Speaker 1: seven day segments and go really hard, but but try

1577
01:25:54,520 --> 01:25:57,320
Speaker 1: and have a little variety. And and man, if you

1578
01:25:57,360 --> 01:26:02,480
Speaker 1: can pick your vacation, like with any flexibility, like oh

1579
01:26:02,520 --> 01:26:06,559
Speaker 1: it's getting cold during this time, this is in, you know,

1580
01:26:06,680 --> 01:26:12,200
Speaker 1: a week out, pick your vacation, that is so advantageous. Yeah, yeah,

1581
01:26:12,240 --> 01:26:16,000
Speaker 1: you know. Another another take on that I've heard is

1582
01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:18,559
Speaker 1: I remember John and Chris Eberhart used to talk about

1583
01:26:18,560 --> 01:26:20,960
Speaker 1: this a lot. They would, uh, you know, pick a

1584
01:26:21,080 --> 01:26:23,759
Speaker 1: morning or two during that rut where they would allow

1585
01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:27,479
Speaker 1: themselves to sleep in, and you know, they'd still get

1586
01:26:27,520 --> 01:26:30,040
Speaker 1: out in the woods by nine or ten, but they

1587
01:26:30,040 --> 01:26:32,840
Speaker 1: would hunt the whole day from that point on. And

1588
01:26:32,880 --> 01:26:35,040
Speaker 1: they you know, they've seen so much of that great

1589
01:26:35,040 --> 01:26:38,400
Speaker 1: activity on those rut mornings happening mid morning anyways, that

1590
01:26:38,479 --> 01:26:40,960
Speaker 1: they could you know, reduce their burnout a little bit

1591
01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:43,160
Speaker 1: and still probably hunt the best parts of the day

1592
01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:46,280
Speaker 1: in their mind, and um still felt like they got

1593
01:26:46,320 --> 01:26:48,360
Speaker 1: a good day in that way. So I thought that

1594
01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:51,080
Speaker 1: was an interesting kind of similar to what you're saying there.

1595
01:26:51,080 --> 01:26:53,240
Speaker 1: I used to feel guilty about taking any time off

1596
01:26:53,360 --> 01:26:55,760
Speaker 1: during the rut, but I think if you can, you know,

1597
01:26:55,920 --> 01:26:58,439
Speaker 1: ten straight days where you are not at your best

1598
01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:01,680
Speaker 1: might not be as good as nine days at your

1599
01:27:01,720 --> 01:27:04,240
Speaker 1: best with one day arrest. It allows you to be

1600
01:27:04,280 --> 01:27:09,120
Speaker 1: really at your top mental fitness level. Yeah, pick your battles.

1601
01:27:09,200 --> 01:27:12,599
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, don't take the day off when um,

1602
01:27:12,640 --> 01:27:15,680
Speaker 1: the temperature dips down fifteen degrees and it's you know,

1603
01:27:15,800 --> 01:27:19,720
Speaker 1: five mile win and it's crispy, and you know, um,

1604
01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:21,960
Speaker 1: you know the bucks are moving. I mean, clearly, don't

1605
01:27:21,960 --> 01:27:25,360
Speaker 1: take that day off. But uh, when you know, maybe

1606
01:27:25,360 --> 01:27:27,840
Speaker 1: it's during lockdown, maybe you're like, dang it, I have

1607
01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:30,519
Speaker 1: had a day where I hardly saw a deer. It's

1608
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:32,599
Speaker 1: like the lights which went off. Yeah, that'd be a

1609
01:27:32,640 --> 01:27:36,640
Speaker 1: great day to change it up. Um, And you know

1610
01:27:36,720 --> 01:27:39,400
Speaker 1: there is maybe the occasional guy that can be I

1611
01:27:39,680 --> 01:27:41,680
Speaker 1: don't care, I'm just gonna push through. And that was

1612
01:27:41,800 --> 01:27:45,120
Speaker 1: kind of us when we're in our twenties. And now,

1613
01:27:45,680 --> 01:27:48,439
Speaker 1: I mean I could do it, but it wouldn't it

1614
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:52,719
Speaker 1: wouldn't be probably the most effective thing. So yeah, I think, um,

1615
01:27:52,960 --> 01:27:58,200
Speaker 1: balance is really important, and and picking the right times

1616
01:27:58,280 --> 01:28:02,120
Speaker 1: to say, yeah, let's let's take a paul us, let's regroup, um,

1617
01:28:02,160 --> 01:28:06,679
Speaker 1: and let's um reinvigorate ourselves and be ready to go out,

1618
01:28:06,720 --> 01:28:08,519
Speaker 1: you know, in a day, you know, the next day

1619
01:28:08,560 --> 01:28:11,200
Speaker 1: and hit it hard. 're very smart to have that balance.

1620
01:28:22,880 --> 01:28:25,719
Speaker 1: You were talking a second ago about the mistakes folks

1621
01:28:25,760 --> 01:28:28,920
Speaker 1: often make, and one of those things you mentioned was overcalling,

1622
01:28:29,200 --> 01:28:32,519
Speaker 1: too too much rattling, that kind of thing. Um, I'd

1623
01:28:32,520 --> 01:28:34,400
Speaker 1: love to hear about what you think is the right

1624
01:28:34,439 --> 01:28:36,400
Speaker 1: way to do those two things, because this is that

1625
01:28:36,439 --> 01:28:40,160
Speaker 1: time of year everybody wants to be making noise out there. Um,

1626
01:28:40,200 --> 01:28:42,599
Speaker 1: how do you go about grunting? When do you do it?

1627
01:28:42,640 --> 01:28:44,639
Speaker 1: What's the right way to do it? And then same

1628
01:28:44,640 --> 01:28:47,400
Speaker 1: thing for rattling, I'd be curious about both. Sure, what

1629
01:28:47,600 --> 01:28:51,080
Speaker 1: works for me, um, and what works for me is

1630
01:28:51,080 --> 01:28:54,560
Speaker 1: different than what what somebody else might think or their experiences.

1631
01:28:54,640 --> 01:28:58,679
Speaker 1: But UM, kind of my recipe for rattling and for grounding,

1632
01:28:58,720 --> 01:29:03,720
Speaker 1: I always have them in my pack. And UM, I

1633
01:29:03,880 --> 01:29:07,040
Speaker 1: do not do much blind rattling. When I do blind

1634
01:29:07,120 --> 01:29:12,440
Speaker 1: rattling or blind calling, it's maybe maybe twice a day,

1635
01:29:12,600 --> 01:29:17,559
Speaker 1: and it's maybe up till November seven or yeah, probably

1636
01:29:17,640 --> 01:29:20,559
Speaker 1: six or seven is probably the end of that. UM.

1637
01:29:20,600 --> 01:29:23,280
Speaker 1: And I sometimes I don't rattle at all. But if

1638
01:29:23,320 --> 01:29:28,280
Speaker 1: I'm rattling, uh, seven times ten times in a day, no, no, no, no, no,

1639
01:29:28,400 --> 01:29:32,400
Speaker 1: I I personally think you're doing yourself a major disadvantage.

1640
01:29:32,720 --> 01:29:37,920
Speaker 1: So I would say blind rattling very limited. Even in Iowa, Kansas,

1641
01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:40,400
Speaker 1: say there's lots of mature books, it works better. I mean,

1642
01:29:40,920 --> 01:29:43,120
Speaker 1: did we have a lot of a lot of luck

1643
01:29:43,240 --> 01:29:45,960
Speaker 1: rattling in Michigan? No, not a lot, A little though,

1644
01:29:46,439 --> 01:29:49,479
Speaker 1: a little. Actually, that's how my my brother shot that

1645
01:29:50,400 --> 01:29:53,240
Speaker 1: hundred and seventies eight point. That was a mature, old

1646
01:29:53,320 --> 01:29:56,720
Speaker 1: old deer in Michigan. I mean, just a rare animal. Um,

1647
01:29:56,720 --> 01:29:59,479
Speaker 1: He's at fifty or sixty yards, and he saw the

1648
01:29:59,479 --> 01:30:02,360
Speaker 1: buck and he did some light rattling and pulled him in.

1649
01:30:02,439 --> 01:30:06,320
Speaker 1: So that's when calling and rattling, I think are the

1650
01:30:06,360 --> 01:30:10,400
Speaker 1: most beneficial is when you actually see the animal. So

1651
01:30:10,760 --> 01:30:14,400
Speaker 1: if I'm hunting a new area or an area I picked,

1652
01:30:14,400 --> 01:30:17,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, this spot night might not be perfect,

1653
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:19,960
Speaker 1: but I can see a long ways. I can see

1654
01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:23,360
Speaker 1: over this giant's rap field, or you know, I can

1655
01:30:23,360 --> 01:30:26,600
Speaker 1: see up this hillside or across this egg field. I

1656
01:30:26,720 --> 01:30:30,360
Speaker 1: just I only do it basically. When I see that buck,

1657
01:30:30,400 --> 01:30:34,160
Speaker 1: I want to call in. And when I see that

1658
01:30:34,200 --> 01:30:38,320
Speaker 1: buck I want to call in, I will if it's

1659
01:30:38,439 --> 01:30:41,720
Speaker 1: real far away, I probably will start with rattling if

1660
01:30:41,720 --> 01:30:43,280
Speaker 1: it's if it's a distance, because I want to make

1661
01:30:43,280 --> 01:30:46,160
Speaker 1: sure he hears it, and i'll know right away if

1662
01:30:46,200 --> 01:30:48,960
Speaker 1: this deer is usually i'll know if he's interested or not,

1663
01:30:49,720 --> 01:30:52,400
Speaker 1: and i'll hit the horns together where he clearly can't

1664
01:30:52,400 --> 01:30:54,680
Speaker 1: see it. He's not gonna pick me off. I mean,

1665
01:30:54,720 --> 01:30:56,800
Speaker 1: that's that's obvious. But you know I do it in

1666
01:30:56,880 --> 01:30:59,200
Speaker 1: a way where this tears are not watching me rattle,

1667
01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:02,519
Speaker 1: and I just watch this year extremely close, and I'll

1668
01:31:02,560 --> 01:31:04,960
Speaker 1: know how he reacts. And he's either going to react

1669
01:31:05,600 --> 01:31:08,200
Speaker 1: three one of three ways. He's going to either react

1670
01:31:08,280 --> 01:31:11,000
Speaker 1: and go I don't care, I'm not interested at all

1671
01:31:11,080 --> 01:31:14,759
Speaker 1: and keep on his business, or he's going to react

1672
01:31:14,920 --> 01:31:18,920
Speaker 1: and probably start coming right into me, which is clearly

1673
01:31:18,960 --> 01:31:21,559
Speaker 1: the most ideal. The third way he's going to react

1674
01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:25,400
Speaker 1: is he's gonna go I'm interested, and he's gonna try,

1675
01:31:25,439 --> 01:31:28,240
Speaker 1: and he's clearly going to try and swoop around or

1676
01:31:28,439 --> 01:31:31,879
Speaker 1: start kind of doing a moon shape towards my direction,

1677
01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:36,600
Speaker 1: and and I'm okay with that too. And if he's interested,

1678
01:31:37,800 --> 01:31:41,400
Speaker 1: if I lose sight of him, I might rattle one

1679
01:31:41,400 --> 01:31:44,840
Speaker 1: more time. Um, and then I might grab the grunt too.

1680
01:31:45,000 --> 01:31:47,720
Speaker 1: And then I if I still see him, if he's

1681
01:31:47,880 --> 01:31:52,439
Speaker 1: if he's interested in the horns, and you know, he's

1682
01:31:52,439 --> 01:31:54,720
Speaker 1: slowly coming in, I might grunt and see how he

1683
01:31:54,800 --> 01:31:57,719
Speaker 1: reacts that. And sometimes that just like it's the last

1684
01:31:57,760 --> 01:32:00,559
Speaker 1: little perk, the last little nugget that they're yep, I'm

1685
01:32:00,600 --> 01:32:03,280
Speaker 1: coming in. And then and then it's just a matter

1686
01:32:03,320 --> 01:32:06,080
Speaker 1: of do I ground again? Just what's it gonna take

1687
01:32:06,120 --> 01:32:09,400
Speaker 1: to get him into range? Usually if I've called twice

1688
01:32:09,400 --> 01:32:12,240
Speaker 1: and he's coming right at me, he's gonna get to me. Um.

1689
01:32:12,320 --> 01:32:17,200
Speaker 1: So then I'm just you know, slow myself down. Uh. Now,

1690
01:32:17,200 --> 01:32:19,760
Speaker 1: it's all about the shot, calming myself down, the metal game,

1691
01:32:19,880 --> 01:32:22,120
Speaker 1: making the right shot. Do not release heat arrow until

1692
01:32:22,120 --> 01:32:26,599
Speaker 1: you're ready, slow slow slow, um. But if he's kind

1693
01:32:26,600 --> 01:32:29,960
Speaker 1: of iffy or you know, he's not, cann't come in range.

1694
01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:32,040
Speaker 1: Now it's you know, what else do I do to call?

1695
01:32:32,120 --> 01:32:36,920
Speaker 1: Do I grunt again? Um? Do I lightly rattle? You know?

1696
01:32:37,040 --> 01:32:41,679
Speaker 1: And and that's just getting slightly more risky the more

1697
01:32:41,720 --> 01:32:44,840
Speaker 1: you rattle. But um, I'll just call until I can

1698
01:32:44,840 --> 01:32:47,599
Speaker 1: get him to come in. So uh that's how I've

1699
01:32:47,680 --> 01:32:51,840
Speaker 1: I've killed a lot of boxes is just visually seeing them,

1700
01:32:52,600 --> 01:32:56,600
Speaker 1: um and watching their attitude on how they react extremely

1701
01:32:56,640 --> 01:33:01,840
Speaker 1: carefully rattling or grunning, um, and and then basing the

1702
01:33:01,880 --> 01:33:04,599
Speaker 1: next move on how they react. And some bucks react

1703
01:33:05,600 --> 01:33:08,120
Speaker 1: uh great and come in. And some bucks are like,

1704
01:33:08,160 --> 01:33:12,200
Speaker 1: I want nothing to do with that. Not interested, signora,

1705
01:33:12,720 --> 01:33:15,680
Speaker 1: You're never gonna see me again. So um. But I

1706
01:33:15,680 --> 01:33:18,880
Speaker 1: mean we've killed a lot of tier um doing that.

1707
01:33:18,920 --> 01:33:22,960
Speaker 1: And I mean the buck my brother killed last year, uh,

1708
01:33:23,080 --> 01:33:26,400
Speaker 1: the giant, I mean it was two hundred and seven

1709
01:33:26,479 --> 01:33:30,559
Speaker 1: years old. Uh, seven year old. Um. You know that

1710
01:33:30,600 --> 01:33:34,800
Speaker 1: buck was at I think sixty or seventy yards in

1711
01:33:34,800 --> 01:33:38,040
Speaker 1: in mid October. Uh, and my my brother was just

1712
01:33:38,120 --> 01:33:41,080
Speaker 1: able to really lightly. He wasn't he wasn't creating a

1713
01:33:41,120 --> 01:33:44,360
Speaker 1: fight or like an aggressive situation. He was just saying,

1714
01:33:45,080 --> 01:33:48,280
Speaker 1: there's another buck in your turf. That's it, there's another

1715
01:33:48,280 --> 01:33:52,120
Speaker 1: buck in your turf. And that pulled that buck into

1716
01:33:52,160 --> 01:33:56,679
Speaker 1: fifteen yards in October and in November. It's a little

1717
01:33:56,680 --> 01:33:58,720
Speaker 1: bit different. It's not just hey, there's a buck in

1718
01:33:58,760 --> 01:34:01,479
Speaker 1: your turf. Now it's a tuck that I hear a

1719
01:34:01,520 --> 01:34:03,720
Speaker 1: buck and he's getting ready to breathe a dough. So

1720
01:34:03,800 --> 01:34:07,759
Speaker 1: they're just more aggressive. So just understanding there's differences between

1721
01:34:07,800 --> 01:34:11,200
Speaker 1: October and November. And then the last thing I would

1722
01:34:11,240 --> 01:34:15,680
Speaker 1: say about rattling and grunting is like, you know your

1723
01:34:15,760 --> 01:34:18,559
Speaker 1: next phase or maybe certain hunts where you're like, hey,

1724
01:34:18,600 --> 01:34:23,080
Speaker 1: it's late November. I think late November site calling and

1725
01:34:23,160 --> 01:34:25,800
Speaker 1: rattling when you see a box effective very effective to

1726
01:34:26,640 --> 01:34:31,120
Speaker 1: UM because they're usually cruising for a dough. But if

1727
01:34:31,160 --> 01:34:33,759
Speaker 1: I'm kind of finishing up my hunt for the morning,

1728
01:34:33,920 --> 01:34:36,400
Speaker 1: you know, hey, I'm gonna go back in. It's ten o'clock.

1729
01:34:36,880 --> 01:34:39,160
Speaker 1: That's a time when I'll do a blind rattle. I

1730
01:34:39,200 --> 01:34:43,599
Speaker 1: really don't have much to lose, UM, and we've had

1731
01:34:43,640 --> 01:34:45,800
Speaker 1: a handful of cases. It's not like it's like, man,

1732
01:34:45,840 --> 01:34:49,439
Speaker 1: this works every year, but you know every five years

1733
01:34:49,840 --> 01:34:52,760
Speaker 1: where I'm like I'm just about to pack up, I'm

1734
01:34:52,760 --> 01:34:56,360
Speaker 1: on a rattle or grant one more time, just kind

1735
01:34:56,360 --> 01:34:58,120
Speaker 1: of the fun of it. I'm a little bit bored,

1736
01:34:58,880 --> 01:35:01,400
Speaker 1: and sometimes we just pull a buck out of its

1737
01:35:01,439 --> 01:35:04,320
Speaker 1: bed it's bedded down for the day, or you know

1738
01:35:04,360 --> 01:35:06,400
Speaker 1: it's just over the hill and boom, we pull it

1739
01:35:06,439 --> 01:35:09,280
Speaker 1: in and either see it or occasionally you know it's

1740
01:35:09,280 --> 01:35:10,840
Speaker 1: the buck you want to shoot and we've shot them

1741
01:35:10,880 --> 01:35:13,880
Speaker 1: that way. So, UM, I would just say, don't overdo it.

1742
01:35:13,960 --> 01:35:17,719
Speaker 1: But my my method that works for me is site

1743
01:35:17,800 --> 01:35:22,760
Speaker 1: rattling and calling would be eight of how I use

1744
01:35:22,920 --> 01:35:27,320
Speaker 1: calls and rattles specifically, when I see that deer I

1745
01:35:27,360 --> 01:35:30,720
Speaker 1: want to shoot or pull in. Now, what about this?

1746
01:35:30,800 --> 01:35:35,200
Speaker 1: Is there any difference between your calling strategy when it's

1747
01:35:35,320 --> 01:35:37,080
Speaker 1: like one of these six or seven year old bucks

1748
01:35:37,120 --> 01:35:40,559
Speaker 1: that you're typically targeting now versus if you were trying

1749
01:35:40,600 --> 01:35:42,719
Speaker 1: to call in a three or four year old buck

1750
01:35:42,800 --> 01:35:44,479
Speaker 1: you know, you know twenty years ago when you were

1751
01:35:44,479 --> 01:35:46,880
Speaker 1: targeting those deer. Is it is it different one way

1752
01:35:46,960 --> 01:35:49,879
Speaker 1: or the other at all? I don't notice much difference.

1753
01:35:49,920 --> 01:35:53,000
Speaker 1: I mean, they're either interested or they're not the six

1754
01:35:53,120 --> 01:35:56,479
Speaker 1: or seven year old buck. Um, just because I have

1755
01:35:57,000 --> 01:35:59,760
Speaker 1: the luxury now, just because I'm older, I have I

1756
01:35:59,800 --> 01:36:04,439
Speaker 1: have my farms. Um, I know the deer, and you know,

1757
01:36:04,520 --> 01:36:07,559
Speaker 1: I get to know. It's not like I'm with them

1758
01:36:07,600 --> 01:36:10,000
Speaker 1: every day, clearly, but I get to know a little bit, like, hey,

1759
01:36:10,040 --> 01:36:12,640
Speaker 1: I saw this deer when he's two, three, four and

1760
01:36:12,680 --> 01:36:14,960
Speaker 1: so on. I get to know their personalities. And some

1761
01:36:15,080 --> 01:36:20,040
Speaker 1: deer are like people. They want to fight, they're aggressive, um,

1762
01:36:20,120 --> 01:36:23,400
Speaker 1: their maniacs uh. And certain deer are just very timid.

1763
01:36:23,520 --> 01:36:27,000
Speaker 1: So I think it's more of a dear personality thing. Um,

1764
01:36:27,400 --> 01:36:29,160
Speaker 1: certain three year olds are going to be very timid.

1765
01:36:29,240 --> 01:36:32,240
Speaker 1: Certain three year olds are going to just be extremely aggressive.

1766
01:36:32,960 --> 01:36:37,520
Speaker 1: Um for a mature bock, you know. I would say

1767
01:36:38,000 --> 01:36:41,960
Speaker 1: over the majority of the time, they are filled with

1768
01:36:42,240 --> 01:36:46,920
Speaker 1: testosterone and they at least are willing to investigate or hey,

1769
01:36:47,120 --> 01:36:49,320
Speaker 1: I'm willing to fight. I mean, they're almost all willing

1770
01:36:49,320 --> 01:36:51,559
Speaker 1: to fight. There's a few that are like, they're just timid,

1771
01:36:51,600 --> 01:36:55,680
Speaker 1: timid deer, and I would say that's the exception. But um,

1772
01:36:55,720 --> 01:36:58,519
Speaker 1: I would say it's more related to personality. And I

1773
01:36:58,560 --> 01:37:01,519
Speaker 1: think you're gonna know. I think you're gonna know when

1774
01:37:01,560 --> 01:37:04,960
Speaker 1: you rattle or grunt to that dear, you're gonna see

1775
01:37:05,000 --> 01:37:07,880
Speaker 1: how he reacts. And it might be different how he

1776
01:37:08,040 --> 01:37:12,840
Speaker 1: reacts in October November, late November. Sometimes he might and

1777
01:37:12,920 --> 01:37:15,439
Speaker 1: clearly if he's with the dough, he's not interested at all.

1778
01:37:15,479 --> 01:37:19,439
Speaker 1: But um, I think you're gonna know within you know,

1779
01:37:19,560 --> 01:37:22,400
Speaker 1: less than thirty seconds, if he's like, yep, I'm not

1780
01:37:22,640 --> 01:37:25,320
Speaker 1: putting up with that. I'm gonna check it out. I'm aggressive.

1781
01:37:25,479 --> 01:37:28,640
Speaker 1: I want to find out. Uh. And you'll notice those personalities.

1782
01:37:28,680 --> 01:37:31,160
Speaker 1: And I've definitely seen the bucks that are like, no

1783
01:37:31,160 --> 01:37:33,880
Speaker 1: matter when I've called to him, I have no interest

1784
01:37:33,880 --> 01:37:36,320
Speaker 1: in getting into a fight. I'm just not that type

1785
01:37:36,320 --> 01:37:39,599
Speaker 1: of deer. And I'm just a timid deer. And then

1786
01:37:39,720 --> 01:37:44,040
Speaker 1: that makes it, you know, definitely more challenging. What about decoys?

1787
01:37:44,400 --> 01:37:46,040
Speaker 1: Is that something something you're pulling out this time of

1788
01:37:46,080 --> 01:37:50,479
Speaker 1: year at all? Mm hmm. I never have had luck

1789
01:37:50,520 --> 01:37:55,120
Speaker 1: with decoys my buddies, Man, I love decoys. I I

1790
01:37:55,120 --> 01:37:56,640
Speaker 1: I've had a lot of luck. I pull him, I

1791
01:37:56,680 --> 01:38:00,439
Speaker 1: pull him in with decoys. I don't, um. I I

1792
01:38:00,439 --> 01:38:04,880
Speaker 1: would much rather just call to a deer that I see. Um,

1793
01:38:05,000 --> 01:38:07,400
Speaker 1: I don't you know. Part of it's just preference though

1794
01:38:07,479 --> 01:38:10,160
Speaker 1: it's not a right or wrong answer, it's just you know,

1795
01:38:10,280 --> 01:38:13,559
Speaker 1: hauling a decoy out painting the butt for me. I

1796
01:38:13,600 --> 01:38:16,320
Speaker 1: don't want to mess with it. I usually don't. I'll

1797
01:38:16,320 --> 01:38:19,719
Speaker 1: be honest. I just don't need them. Um. I'm usually

1798
01:38:19,760 --> 01:38:23,000
Speaker 1: trying to hunt spots where I can eat. I know

1799
01:38:23,280 --> 01:38:25,839
Speaker 1: that I'm in an area that you're going to naturally

1800
01:38:25,840 --> 01:38:29,599
Speaker 1: travel past me UM, or I'm in an area that

1801
01:38:29,680 --> 01:38:31,519
Speaker 1: I have a good chance of calling it deer in.

1802
01:38:31,720 --> 01:38:35,160
Speaker 1: So I feel far more confident for myself. Doesn't mean

1803
01:38:35,160 --> 01:38:37,080
Speaker 1: this is right answer at all, but I feel more

1804
01:38:37,160 --> 01:38:40,839
Speaker 1: confident for myself that I can have better luck calling

1805
01:38:41,520 --> 01:38:44,519
Speaker 1: a deer in than them seeing a visual reason to

1806
01:38:44,560 --> 01:38:47,880
Speaker 1: come in. And so I've never I'm when I was

1807
01:38:47,920 --> 01:38:50,200
Speaker 1: a kid, I tried it a few times. I take

1808
01:38:50,200 --> 01:38:51,960
Speaker 1: that back, So, yeah, I have tried it a few times,

1809
01:38:51,960 --> 01:38:53,800
Speaker 1: and it's just it's just not my thing. I don't

1810
01:38:53,840 --> 01:38:57,720
Speaker 1: need it UM And I just feel like I'm I'm

1811
01:38:57,720 --> 01:39:00,880
Speaker 1: more successful with without it and just hunting the types

1812
01:39:00,920 --> 01:39:04,360
Speaker 1: of spots I do. Yeah, makes sense, uh, speaking of

1813
01:39:04,360 --> 01:39:07,559
Speaker 1: the types of spots you hunt, you were talking earlier about,

1814
01:39:08,360 --> 01:39:10,160
Speaker 1: you know, you you walk on the property and see

1815
01:39:10,200 --> 01:39:13,400
Speaker 1: these ten foot tall ladder stands and you're wondering, how

1816
01:39:13,439 --> 01:39:16,160
Speaker 1: could somebody ever get get away with that? Um? That

1817
01:39:16,320 --> 01:39:20,479
Speaker 1: got me thinking about a dilemma. I often faced with it.

1818
01:39:20,520 --> 01:39:22,200
Speaker 1: I'm sure lots of hunters are faced with And I

1819
01:39:22,200 --> 01:39:24,000
Speaker 1: always sit there and debate this back and forth in

1820
01:39:24,040 --> 01:39:25,800
Speaker 1: my head, and I want to run it past you

1821
01:39:25,840 --> 01:39:30,040
Speaker 1: and see what your take is. Imagine this scenario. Imagine

1822
01:39:30,120 --> 01:39:33,640
Speaker 1: you are sneaking into a spot and you don't have

1823
01:39:33,680 --> 01:39:35,880
Speaker 1: a tree stand already set. Maybe this is a new

1824
01:39:35,880 --> 01:39:38,479
Speaker 1: spot you just picked up access to, and for some

1825
01:39:38,520 --> 01:39:40,559
Speaker 1: reason you think, man, it's the rut. I gotta get

1826
01:39:40,600 --> 01:39:42,559
Speaker 1: in and hunt this new area. It looks really good.

1827
01:39:42,680 --> 01:39:46,000
Speaker 1: And let's hypothetically say maybe you're you're coming up and

1828
01:39:46,000 --> 01:39:48,080
Speaker 1: you're realizing all this looks like an awesome betting area

1829
01:39:48,280 --> 01:39:49,920
Speaker 1: and you want to be, you know, on the downward

1830
01:39:49,920 --> 01:39:52,200
Speaker 1: side of it, and you're trying to pick the tree

1831
01:39:52,240 --> 01:39:55,559
Speaker 1: to hunt, and you have a couple options. You've got

1832
01:39:56,160 --> 01:40:00,479
Speaker 1: one tree that is, you know, easily in rain of

1833
01:40:00,479 --> 01:40:03,600
Speaker 1: those best crossings. Let's say there's a major trail paralleling

1834
01:40:03,600 --> 01:40:06,000
Speaker 1: in the downwind edges betting area, and maybe there's two

1835
01:40:06,000 --> 01:40:08,240
Speaker 1: trails coming out of the bedding aar and they intersect

1836
01:40:08,360 --> 01:40:11,320
Speaker 1: with that parallel trail, all of them within about fifteen

1837
01:40:11,400 --> 01:40:13,760
Speaker 1: or twenty yards of this one tree. And let's say

1838
01:40:13,760 --> 01:40:15,880
Speaker 1: there's a big old hub scrape right there at the

1839
01:40:15,880 --> 01:40:18,679
Speaker 1: intersection to a couple of rubs coming down the lanes,

1840
01:40:19,400 --> 01:40:21,960
Speaker 1: and this tree, though that's within range of that is

1841
01:40:22,040 --> 01:40:24,920
Speaker 1: like a bean pole. It's a lousy tree for cover.

1842
01:40:25,600 --> 01:40:28,400
Speaker 1: And there's actually also a second trail that's gonna be

1843
01:40:28,520 --> 01:40:31,360
Speaker 1: downwind of that tree as well, so it's it's not

1844
01:40:31,439 --> 01:40:33,679
Speaker 1: great cover, and there might be deer that get down

1845
01:40:33,680 --> 01:40:37,760
Speaker 1: with you, or there's another tree. But this tree is

1846
01:40:37,760 --> 01:40:41,080
Speaker 1: gonna be like forty one yards away from that scrape

1847
01:40:41,080 --> 01:40:46,559
Speaker 1: and those trails and that great shot opportunity, but it

1848
01:40:46,680 --> 01:40:49,559
Speaker 1: is downwind of everything, and it's a nice oak with

1849
01:40:49,720 --> 01:40:53,040
Speaker 1: like six different limbs coming out at two, so you

1850
01:40:53,080 --> 01:40:56,439
Speaker 1: can get up in there. You'll be perfectly hidden, nothing

1851
01:40:56,439 --> 01:40:59,280
Speaker 1: will get downwind of view. Which of those two trees

1852
01:40:59,280 --> 01:41:02,080
Speaker 1: would you pick the one that's easy range, the best spot,

1853
01:41:02,560 --> 01:41:04,639
Speaker 1: but you might get picked off, you might get winded

1854
01:41:04,640 --> 01:41:06,920
Speaker 1: by a deer. Or do you take the long shot

1855
01:41:07,560 --> 01:41:10,679
Speaker 1: and the super safe bet and hope to call something

1856
01:41:10,720 --> 01:41:12,800
Speaker 1: in or hope you can get that longer shot and

1857
01:41:12,840 --> 01:41:16,320
Speaker 1: make that work. Um So I think that would be

1858
01:41:16,360 --> 01:41:19,880
Speaker 1: a little subjective on uh, you know, if I'm going

1859
01:41:19,960 --> 01:41:22,800
Speaker 1: for like, hey man, I got two days to do this,

1860
01:41:23,000 --> 01:41:25,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go for the bean pole. The bean pole

1861
01:41:25,840 --> 01:41:29,800
Speaker 1: scenario just because I'm gonna get up there and I'm

1862
01:41:29,800 --> 01:41:32,479
Speaker 1: gonna understand that I'm sitting in a bean pole and

1863
01:41:32,520 --> 01:41:36,519
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna sit incredibly still. And you know, if

1864
01:41:36,560 --> 01:41:40,320
Speaker 1: I've got time in advance. Um, if I found this

1865
01:41:40,360 --> 01:41:43,720
Speaker 1: in the spring or late winter, and I scouted and

1866
01:41:43,760 --> 01:41:45,599
Speaker 1: found the spot, I might put a spot in both

1867
01:41:45,680 --> 01:41:51,040
Speaker 1: both trees and try both scenarios. Um. You know, hey,

1868
01:41:51,040 --> 01:41:52,400
Speaker 1: I got my safe bet and then I got my

1869
01:41:52,400 --> 01:41:54,680
Speaker 1: other one. But if I'm in that bean pole, you know,

1870
01:41:54,680 --> 01:41:57,479
Speaker 1: if I find that spot early, I'm probably gonna go

1871
01:41:57,600 --> 01:42:02,160
Speaker 1: up there, uh in trying to add some cover. Like

1872
01:42:02,439 --> 01:42:05,920
Speaker 1: sometimes I'll hang like cedar branches and stuff up there

1873
01:42:05,960 --> 01:42:09,559
Speaker 1: just way above me or you know, things to break

1874
01:42:09,640 --> 01:42:12,320
Speaker 1: up my cover. Sometimes I put cedar branches like in

1875
01:42:12,360 --> 01:42:16,080
Speaker 1: the um in the front of my tree stand just

1876
01:42:16,200 --> 01:42:18,599
Speaker 1: to try and camouflage myself in. And then I'm I'm

1877
01:42:18,760 --> 01:42:21,880
Speaker 1: pretty darn good when I know I'm in that situation

1878
01:42:21,920 --> 01:42:27,280
Speaker 1: of just sitting incredibly still, just incredibly still, UM and

1879
01:42:27,400 --> 01:42:32,439
Speaker 1: just doing these just conscious slow movements, slow movements in

1880
01:42:32,479 --> 01:42:35,240
Speaker 1: my head for scanning. And I usually don't get picked

1881
01:42:35,240 --> 01:42:38,800
Speaker 1: off if I do that. UM, But if if I'm skylined,

1882
01:42:38,840 --> 01:42:41,840
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, if I know, if I know

1883
01:42:41,960 --> 01:42:44,400
Speaker 1: there's no possibility, if I have the feeling there's no

1884
01:42:44,439 --> 01:42:47,320
Speaker 1: possibility I'm going to draw my bow without this book

1885
01:42:47,840 --> 01:42:50,080
Speaker 1: see me, then I won't hunt it. But if there's

1886
01:42:50,120 --> 01:42:53,760
Speaker 1: any chance that, if there's any confidence in me, that's like, yes,

1887
01:42:53,920 --> 01:42:56,000
Speaker 1: there is a situation where I can do this, this

1888
01:42:56,040 --> 01:42:59,240
Speaker 1: and this and hunt carefully and draw my bow on

1889
01:42:59,280 --> 01:43:02,840
Speaker 1: that mature buck, I'll try it. Um, So I would say,

1890
01:43:02,880 --> 01:43:06,760
Speaker 1: probably I will try and make that beam pole tree work. Now,

1891
01:43:07,439 --> 01:43:10,960
Speaker 1: the the extra answer to is if I'm hunting that

1892
01:43:11,040 --> 01:43:13,960
Speaker 1: area year after year, I mean, hopefully I find the

1893
01:43:13,960 --> 01:43:16,640
Speaker 1: third option, which is, you know, a better tree. But uh,

1894
01:43:16,720 --> 01:43:19,599
Speaker 1: in this um, in this situation, you know, maybe I'll um,

1895
01:43:20,400 --> 01:43:23,120
Speaker 1: maybe I'll manipulate the trail. I'll go in there with

1896
01:43:23,200 --> 01:43:26,920
Speaker 1: my chainsaw, uh and try and manipulate their movement or

1897
01:43:27,000 --> 01:43:29,679
Speaker 1: create a trail closer to that more ideal tree. There's

1898
01:43:29,680 --> 01:43:32,559
Speaker 1: a third option, and I do that often, Like, hey,

1899
01:43:33,000 --> 01:43:35,879
Speaker 1: you know, this tree over here is ten inches in diameter,

1900
01:43:35,920 --> 01:43:37,960
Speaker 1: it's gonna be really hard to sit in it, and

1901
01:43:38,080 --> 01:43:40,479
Speaker 1: this one is further. And then then during the off

1902
01:43:40,520 --> 01:43:43,759
Speaker 1: season I'm doing things to get them to move closer

1903
01:43:43,840 --> 01:43:46,840
Speaker 1: to that ideal tree, which is habits at manipulation, which

1904
01:43:46,880 --> 01:43:49,840
Speaker 1: is um. You know, you can do that with chainsaws,

1905
01:43:49,880 --> 01:43:53,880
Speaker 1: with um weed, whippers, with you know, dumping different trees

1906
01:43:53,920 --> 01:43:57,280
Speaker 1: down to direct the movement. So there's a whole host

1907
01:43:57,320 --> 01:44:01,760
Speaker 1: theory of answers there. Um. But on the fly, with

1908
01:44:01,880 --> 01:44:05,200
Speaker 1: two days to hunt, I'm up against the gun. I'm

1909
01:44:05,200 --> 01:44:08,559
Speaker 1: gonna hunt the bean tree, the bean poultry. Uh, and

1910
01:44:08,640 --> 01:44:11,120
Speaker 1: be very very careful and just realize, you know, I

1911
01:44:11,160 --> 01:44:13,040
Speaker 1: got two days. If a gear gets down winding me

1912
01:44:13,080 --> 01:44:15,479
Speaker 1: on that one trail, it's okay. Hopefully I got them

1913
01:44:15,520 --> 01:44:18,439
Speaker 1: dead by that point, and hopefully I'm not getting busted much.

1914
01:44:18,960 --> 01:44:20,880
Speaker 1: And then I know, if that buck is on that

1915
01:44:20,960 --> 01:44:24,160
Speaker 1: predominant trail, I just gotta be super careful so I

1916
01:44:24,240 --> 01:44:26,760
Speaker 1: can draw back and draw back at the right time

1917
01:44:26,800 --> 01:44:29,360
Speaker 1: so I can make that shot. Yeah, that that makes

1918
01:44:29,400 --> 01:44:32,080
Speaker 1: a lot of sense. Alright, Skip, I've got just a

1919
01:44:32,120 --> 01:44:34,080
Speaker 1: couple more questions for it, and then we're gonna wrap

1920
01:44:34,120 --> 01:44:38,920
Speaker 1: this up. I'm curious if there is anything within your

1921
01:44:38,960 --> 01:44:43,719
Speaker 1: repertoire of hunting tactics things you do during the rut

1922
01:44:44,520 --> 01:44:48,559
Speaker 1: that your buddies or if other hunters heard about it.

1923
01:44:48,960 --> 01:44:51,519
Speaker 1: I would think, is weird. Is there anything you do

1924
01:44:51,640 --> 01:44:54,439
Speaker 1: during the rut that is off the wall different than

1925
01:44:54,479 --> 01:44:58,559
Speaker 1: the conventional wisdom? Yeah, most most of my friends make

1926
01:44:58,560 --> 01:45:00,920
Speaker 1: fun of me hardcore hunter. They make fun of me

1927
01:45:00,960 --> 01:45:06,240
Speaker 1: for how high my tree stands are. Uh, like my

1928
01:45:06,240 --> 01:45:08,920
Speaker 1: buddies like, I'm I would I won't hunt that spot.

1929
01:45:09,040 --> 01:45:12,120
Speaker 1: I would never hunt that spot. You're you're insane that

1930
01:45:12,400 --> 01:45:19,840
Speaker 1: Uh that's so high, it's scary. How are we talking? Uh,

1931
01:45:20,160 --> 01:45:23,920
Speaker 1: there's this is crazy. And I understand the debate about

1932
01:45:23,920 --> 01:45:26,640
Speaker 1: the shot angle and stuff. The highest I pry I

1933
01:45:26,680 --> 01:45:31,160
Speaker 1: have ever hunted, and well, that's that shot angles insane?

1934
01:45:31,200 --> 01:45:33,920
Speaker 1: It is, it is. But there's been situations where I

1935
01:45:33,960 --> 01:45:39,840
Speaker 1: have hunted forties low forties. Yeah, it's up there. When

1936
01:45:39,880 --> 01:45:42,920
Speaker 1: I buy those safety lines, um, and I do have

1937
01:45:42,960 --> 01:45:45,240
Speaker 1: safety lines because I fell out of a tree stand

1938
01:45:45,320 --> 01:45:49,920
Speaker 1: and it was thirty some thirty some feet up, chattered

1939
01:45:50,000 --> 01:45:51,600
Speaker 1: my arm, broke my back. But this is in the

1940
01:45:51,640 --> 01:45:55,360
Speaker 1: summer while I was hanging it, and you know, just stupid,

1941
01:45:55,640 --> 01:45:57,800
Speaker 1: just stupid. You know. Now I have safety lines and

1942
01:45:57,880 --> 01:46:00,240
Speaker 1: every stand, but a lot of my stands I have

1943
01:46:00,360 --> 01:46:03,240
Speaker 1: to start the bottom of my safety line where I

1944
01:46:03,280 --> 01:46:09,680
Speaker 1: click in is usually oh, maybe five eight ft off

1945
01:46:09,720 --> 01:46:11,839
Speaker 1: the ground. So I would say most of my stands

1946
01:46:11,880 --> 01:46:14,720
Speaker 1: are probably when I say forties that there's like a

1947
01:46:14,720 --> 01:46:18,160
Speaker 1: couple I can think of that's usually in Michigan. Um,

1948
01:46:18,200 --> 01:46:21,679
Speaker 1: because you're just trying to do everything to hide yourself

1949
01:46:21,720 --> 01:46:23,559
Speaker 1: from these gear that are scared out of their mind

1950
01:46:23,560 --> 01:46:27,599
Speaker 1: because everyone's trying to kill them, literally everyone. But now

1951
01:46:27,720 --> 01:46:31,960
Speaker 1: I would say my stands are twenty five to maybe

1952
01:46:32,000 --> 01:46:36,000
Speaker 1: thirty five ft, which is a little off the wall. Um.

1953
01:46:36,040 --> 01:46:37,680
Speaker 1: I would say the other thing I do that's a

1954
01:46:37,720 --> 01:46:41,720
Speaker 1: little off the wall. Uh. You know, I probably have

1955
01:46:42,000 --> 01:46:48,200
Speaker 1: now sixty seventy different tree stands. I mean, and there'll

1956
01:46:48,240 --> 01:46:51,599
Speaker 1: be years where I don't hunt certain tree stands, um,

1957
01:46:51,640 --> 01:46:55,240
Speaker 1: and there's farms like wall he is, sixty seventies tree

1958
01:46:55,280 --> 01:46:57,920
Speaker 1: stands must be nice. I mean, it's anybody can do this.

1959
01:46:58,040 --> 01:47:01,000
Speaker 1: It's just I took the time to get permission here.

1960
01:47:01,200 --> 01:47:03,120
Speaker 1: Or you know, there's this little farm over here. I

1961
01:47:03,120 --> 01:47:05,720
Speaker 1: can pop three in here, and if there's a deer there,

1962
01:47:05,720 --> 01:47:09,439
Speaker 1: I'm ready to go. So um. You know, I just

1963
01:47:09,479 --> 01:47:12,559
Speaker 1: have so many backup plans. I have so many in

1964
01:47:13,640 --> 01:47:16,920
Speaker 1: and when I hunted by permission, I would have so

1965
01:47:16,960 --> 01:47:19,000
Speaker 1: many extra farms, and I would sit there and just

1966
01:47:19,040 --> 01:47:22,160
Speaker 1: spend weekend after weekend after weekend knocking on doors finding

1967
01:47:22,200 --> 01:47:24,719
Speaker 1: more places to go, find an extra state land to hunt.

1968
01:47:25,240 --> 01:47:29,479
Speaker 1: That if I had six farms to hunt and three

1969
01:47:29,520 --> 01:47:31,800
Speaker 1: of them got ruined because all of a sudden this

1970
01:47:31,960 --> 01:47:35,120
Speaker 1: group of hunter showed up and just blew the farm up, Okay,

1971
01:47:35,479 --> 01:47:37,920
Speaker 1: I'm okay with writing off the whole farm like it

1972
01:47:38,000 --> 01:47:40,400
Speaker 1: got ruined. I just I just always have had so

1973
01:47:40,520 --> 01:47:46,000
Speaker 1: many different backup plans, and maybe that's unique, maybe that's weird.

1974
01:47:46,439 --> 01:47:50,200
Speaker 1: It's it's intense. I mean, it's a lot of work. Um,

1975
01:47:50,240 --> 01:47:53,360
Speaker 1: it's not necessarily fun. I mean to just you know,

1976
01:47:53,600 --> 01:47:56,640
Speaker 1: constantly ask people for permission and knocking on doors all

1977
01:47:56,640 --> 01:47:59,000
Speaker 1: the time. But you know, it was fun for me

1978
01:47:59,040 --> 01:48:02,760
Speaker 1: because it was worth it. So, you know, being able

1979
01:48:02,800 --> 01:48:05,599
Speaker 1: to say, hey, I have three farms here that I'm

1980
01:48:05,640 --> 01:48:08,680
Speaker 1: gonna hunt and all them got ruined, all their trashed.

1981
01:48:09,400 --> 01:48:11,800
Speaker 1: There's you know, if fifty guys show up and I go,

1982
01:48:12,000 --> 01:48:14,200
Speaker 1: I'm not hunting there, or if I lose it right

1983
01:48:14,200 --> 01:48:16,840
Speaker 1: before season, hey, you know we decided nobody's hunting there.

1984
01:48:16,840 --> 01:48:19,160
Speaker 1: We're gonna lease it out where we sold it. If

1985
01:48:19,200 --> 01:48:21,960
Speaker 1: I lose those farms. I'm okay, and I think that's

1986
01:48:21,960 --> 01:48:25,080
Speaker 1: where everybody has to be. Like, if your best spots

1987
01:48:25,120 --> 01:48:27,400
Speaker 1: get ruined, you need to have five other best spots.

1988
01:48:28,040 --> 01:48:31,000
Speaker 1: And I think that's different maybe than most people. And

1989
01:48:31,960 --> 01:48:35,519
Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong. I'm not I'm clearly not knocking anybody.

1990
01:48:35,560 --> 01:48:37,720
Speaker 1: You're telling anybody how to hunt. You hunt however you

1991
01:48:37,760 --> 01:48:40,960
Speaker 1: want to, whatever makes you happy. Great. But you know

1992
01:48:41,080 --> 01:48:42,840
Speaker 1: the guy that's like, hey man, I got my eighty

1993
01:48:42,920 --> 01:48:47,320
Speaker 1: acres and that's all I hunt, You're just you're not

1994
01:48:47,360 --> 01:48:50,880
Speaker 1: going to be extremely successful, consistently successful. You just have

1995
01:48:50,920 --> 01:48:53,920
Speaker 1: to have so many different options. And that's if you

1996
01:48:54,040 --> 01:48:56,360
Speaker 1: enjoy that. I don't care what I kill. I don't

1997
01:48:56,400 --> 01:48:58,439
Speaker 1: care if I kill mature buck. I just want to

1998
01:48:58,520 --> 01:49:01,559
Speaker 1: hunt my own eighty acres. Great, It's just not what

1999
01:49:01,600 --> 01:49:03,960
Speaker 1: I do. It's not what I want to do. You know.

2000
01:49:04,040 --> 01:49:07,280
Speaker 1: I want to chase mature mature dear, and to do that,

2001
01:49:07,360 --> 01:49:10,120
Speaker 1: I just have to have so many different options and

2002
01:49:10,200 --> 01:49:14,720
Speaker 1: so many different backup plans. Yeah. Yeah, and that's hard

2003
01:49:14,760 --> 01:49:17,559
Speaker 1: to do. It takes a lot of work. But you're right.

2004
01:49:17,960 --> 01:49:19,640
Speaker 1: I mean, if you were to look at any of

2005
01:49:19,640 --> 01:49:24,040
Speaker 1: those folks that are consistently always successful. They have a

2006
01:49:24,160 --> 01:49:26,759
Speaker 1: lot it's a numbers game. They have a lot of options.

2007
01:49:26,760 --> 01:49:29,040
Speaker 1: They have a lot of spots, and they know them well.

2008
01:49:29,560 --> 01:49:32,479
Speaker 1: And they're never dependent on one thing working. They've always

2009
01:49:32,520 --> 01:49:35,080
Speaker 1: got backup, to the backup, to the backup. Yeah. And

2010
01:49:35,640 --> 01:49:40,439
Speaker 1: we've gone to Kansas, Missouri, Iowa, Illinois, and at the

2011
01:49:40,520 --> 01:49:43,559
Speaker 1: end of the season, I usually got you know, when

2012
01:49:43,600 --> 01:49:45,679
Speaker 1: I was younger, especially, I usually got a few mature

2013
01:49:45,720 --> 01:49:49,600
Speaker 1: bucks and oh my gosh, look at that, you know guy,

2014
01:49:50,000 --> 01:49:54,080
Speaker 1: I would consistently shoot a few mature bucks ball there

2015
01:49:54,200 --> 01:49:57,400
Speaker 1: was another Between every one of those mature bucks. There

2016
01:49:57,520 --> 01:50:01,600
Speaker 1: was probably ten or twenty hunts. There were total flops

2017
01:50:02,360 --> 01:50:05,160
Speaker 1: or you know, even I don't care if you watch

2018
01:50:05,240 --> 01:50:06,960
Speaker 1: the guy on TV. I don't care if you you

2019
01:50:07,040 --> 01:50:09,479
Speaker 1: talk to a guy that you like, he consistently hit

2020
01:50:09,760 --> 01:50:14,920
Speaker 1: kills mature bucks. Um, they have plenty, plenty of sits

2021
01:50:15,240 --> 01:50:18,439
Speaker 1: worth to complete flop. It's slow, they don't see anything.

2022
01:50:18,479 --> 01:50:22,120
Speaker 1: They're discouraged. It's boring. I mean, this is how it works.

2023
01:50:22,240 --> 01:50:24,640
Speaker 1: You get, you know, that that chance to shoot the

2024
01:50:24,680 --> 01:50:29,120
Speaker 1: mature buck. You know, it's a few minutes um out

2025
01:50:29,120 --> 01:50:31,880
Speaker 1: of generally, you know, maybe a week or two. So

2026
01:50:32,479 --> 01:50:35,200
Speaker 1: I think you know, people who have their expectations set

2027
01:50:35,200 --> 01:50:37,640
Speaker 1: there that you know there's gonna be a lot of

2028
01:50:37,680 --> 01:50:40,519
Speaker 1: difficult hunting and a lot of work beforehand that goes

2029
01:50:40,560 --> 01:50:43,280
Speaker 1: into this, and a lot of failed hunts before I

2030
01:50:43,320 --> 01:50:46,800
Speaker 1: have one successful hunt. I think when you have those expectations,

2031
01:50:46,840 --> 01:50:49,880
Speaker 1: it puts you, um, you know, it puts you in

2032
01:50:49,920 --> 01:50:52,040
Speaker 1: a place where you can you can weather it out

2033
01:50:52,080 --> 01:50:54,880
Speaker 1: and keep pushing and and and then you don't get

2034
01:50:54,880 --> 01:50:57,599
Speaker 1: discouraged either because I know I'm gonna have poor hunts.

2035
01:50:57,640 --> 01:51:01,439
Speaker 1: I know I'm gonna make mistakes, and and when it

2036
01:51:01,479 --> 01:51:05,439
Speaker 1: does work out, then it's more rewarding because I honestly wouldn't.

2037
01:51:05,760 --> 01:51:08,799
Speaker 1: I don't want to go out. Honestly, I'm being dead seriously.

2038
01:51:08,880 --> 01:51:11,880
Speaker 1: I don't want to go out and shoot them mature

2039
01:51:11,920 --> 01:51:13,680
Speaker 1: buck the very first time I go out. I mean

2040
01:51:14,200 --> 01:51:16,639
Speaker 1: maybe maybe in one case I do, like, yeah, that'd

2041
01:51:16,640 --> 01:51:20,519
Speaker 1: be awesome. But I think I enjoy it more because

2042
01:51:20,520 --> 01:51:24,519
Speaker 1: I went out seven times and I wasn't successful. And

2043
01:51:24,520 --> 01:51:26,920
Speaker 1: then when you do get the opportunity to the mature buck,

2044
01:51:26,960 --> 01:51:29,720
Speaker 1: it's just like, it's why we do this. It's amazing.

2045
01:51:29,760 --> 01:51:32,160
Speaker 1: I mean, it's rewarding. You're just like, man, it finally

2046
01:51:32,200 --> 01:51:35,120
Speaker 1: worked out. And that's what's so um that's why I

2047
01:51:35,120 --> 01:51:37,479
Speaker 1: love this because it's like, man, I went through I

2048
01:51:37,479 --> 01:51:40,040
Speaker 1: went through all these tough ons, all this all this work,

2049
01:51:40,080 --> 01:51:43,400
Speaker 1: and it finally paid off, and you know, this worked out,

2050
01:51:43,479 --> 01:51:45,559
Speaker 1: and you know, and if I don't get a mature buck,

2051
01:51:45,600 --> 01:51:47,759
Speaker 1: if I eat my tag, I'm okay with that now too.

2052
01:51:48,400 --> 01:51:52,520
Speaker 1: But um, yeah, that's that's just kind of my philosophy

2053
01:51:52,600 --> 01:51:54,760
Speaker 1: or my thought process right wrong or in different that's

2054
01:51:54,920 --> 01:51:57,519
Speaker 1: just wore my head's at. Yeah, I'm right there with you.

2055
01:51:58,840 --> 01:52:02,400
Speaker 1: Skip one last scenario I want you to imagine, and

2056
01:52:02,439 --> 01:52:04,559
Speaker 1: it's not it's not a great scenario, so bear with

2057
01:52:04,600 --> 01:52:08,719
Speaker 1: me here. But let's say for some reason, I've taken

2058
01:52:08,720 --> 01:52:12,639
Speaker 1: away your entire hunting season except for two days during

2059
01:52:12,640 --> 01:52:15,160
Speaker 1: the rut. You get two days to hunt during the rut,

2060
01:52:15,160 --> 01:52:17,439
Speaker 1: and that's all for the entire season this year, all right.

2061
01:52:18,479 --> 01:52:19,960
Speaker 1: What I would like you to do is tell me

2062
01:52:20,120 --> 01:52:22,960
Speaker 1: what two days you'll pick during the route, Like, what

2063
01:52:23,080 --> 01:52:25,160
Speaker 1: date would you want for this two day window? They

2064
01:52:25,200 --> 01:52:26,760
Speaker 1: could either be right next to each other, they could

2065
01:52:26,760 --> 01:52:29,200
Speaker 1: be separate days. And then I would like you to

2066
01:52:29,240 --> 01:52:33,120
Speaker 1: tell me what your setup would be like, specifically as

2067
01:52:33,160 --> 01:52:34,840
Speaker 1: best as you can describe. This could either be like

2068
01:52:34,880 --> 01:52:38,280
Speaker 1: a hypothetical imaginary scenario, or you could even describe for

2069
01:52:38,320 --> 01:52:40,519
Speaker 1: me a stand you actually have that you think would

2070
01:52:40,520 --> 01:52:43,439
Speaker 1: give you your best chance on that date. Could you

2071
01:52:43,479 --> 01:52:46,240
Speaker 1: do that for these two days for me? Yep, I

2072
01:52:46,240 --> 01:52:50,320
Speaker 1: would say, it's just gonna be a date range. So

2073
01:52:50,640 --> 01:52:54,520
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, I've had my best luck in October

2074
01:52:55,160 --> 01:52:58,280
Speaker 1: and then for whatever reason, this is maybe a superstition,

2075
01:52:58,320 --> 01:53:02,400
Speaker 1: I don't know, November one through three or four when

2076
01:53:02,439 --> 01:53:04,280
Speaker 1: my buddies like that's when I have my best Like

2077
01:53:04,400 --> 01:53:08,200
Speaker 1: I never shoot big deer November one through four, so

2078
01:53:08,240 --> 01:53:11,680
Speaker 1: I'd axce those right out, um, just because maybe I'm

2079
01:53:11,720 --> 01:53:13,960
Speaker 1: cursed with those dates. I don't know. So it's gonna

2080
01:53:13,960 --> 01:53:21,559
Speaker 1: be between uh, November four and ten, and each year

2081
01:53:21,720 --> 01:53:23,920
Speaker 1: shifts a little bit different sometimes like, man, it was

2082
01:53:24,240 --> 01:53:28,080
Speaker 1: a little better earlier. But I'm gonna say, uh, I'm

2083
01:53:28,120 --> 01:53:30,360
Speaker 1: gonna whittle that down even a little bit further. I'm

2084
01:53:30,360 --> 01:53:38,719
Speaker 1: gonna say between I'm gonna say seven seven to eleven,

2085
01:53:39,680 --> 01:53:44,920
Speaker 1: and within seven to eleven, I'm just gonna pick the

2086
01:53:45,000 --> 01:53:48,559
Speaker 1: days where the temperature goes down and the barometer is up,

2087
01:53:49,000 --> 01:53:50,840
Speaker 1: and if it's the eighth, they'll hunted on the eighth.

2088
01:53:50,960 --> 01:53:52,800
Speaker 1: If it's the ninth, the hunted on the ninth. If

2089
01:53:52,840 --> 01:53:54,639
Speaker 1: it's warm on the eighth, I'm not hunting the eight.

2090
01:53:54,720 --> 01:53:56,640
Speaker 1: So whichever day is going to be cold, those are

2091
01:53:56,640 --> 01:54:02,160
Speaker 1: the two days I pick cold cold end um, so

2092
01:54:02,200 --> 01:54:04,280
Speaker 1: a decrease in temperature and the rise in the brometer.

2093
01:54:04,800 --> 01:54:07,320
Speaker 1: Where I'm going to hunt is I can visualize these

2094
01:54:07,360 --> 01:54:13,360
Speaker 1: spots in my mind with that um with that limited

2095
01:54:13,439 --> 01:54:16,479
Speaker 1: of time, I want to hunt the spots that are

2096
01:54:16,720 --> 01:54:18,880
Speaker 1: just the deep spots I have in the timber, and

2097
01:54:18,920 --> 01:54:20,720
Speaker 1: I have two of them that come to mind that

2098
01:54:20,800 --> 01:54:25,000
Speaker 1: it's just like it is just like the the hornets nest,

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01:54:25,120 --> 01:54:28,320
Speaker 1: you know, it's just like there's not two trails in

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01:54:28,439 --> 01:54:31,439
Speaker 1: intersect or two trails I can see from my stand,

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01:54:31,439 --> 01:54:36,040
Speaker 1: there's like ten and they're just coming from every which direction.

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01:54:36,160 --> 01:54:38,440
Speaker 1: And it's just one of these magic spots that just

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01:54:38,880 --> 01:54:41,560
Speaker 1: it just they exist all over. It's just hard to

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01:54:41,560 --> 01:54:44,960
Speaker 1: find them. But it's a spot where you know, I've

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01:54:45,000 --> 01:54:47,680
Speaker 1: got I've got a spot where I've killed three or

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01:54:47,720 --> 01:54:50,680
Speaker 1: four mature bucks, and every time I hunt there, I

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01:54:50,680 --> 01:54:53,720
Speaker 1: could shoot just a pile of box a pile and

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01:54:53,920 --> 01:54:57,560
Speaker 1: the not necessarily old. But you know there's ten trails

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01:54:57,560 --> 01:55:02,040
Speaker 1: that come through there, and for whatever reason, they all

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01:55:02,440 --> 01:55:05,560
Speaker 1: kind of intersect around this tree stand, so I really

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01:55:05,600 --> 01:55:08,680
Speaker 1: don't even need to call. And they're coming from every

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01:55:08,720 --> 01:55:12,560
Speaker 1: which direction, and that's the spot I was talking about

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01:55:12,600 --> 01:55:16,040
Speaker 1: where my thermals rise. But even if my thermals didn't rise,

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01:55:16,800 --> 01:55:19,480
Speaker 1: I don't mind being back in the timber. And I say,

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01:55:19,520 --> 01:55:21,320
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm not even gonna check the wind

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01:55:21,320 --> 01:55:23,400
Speaker 1: direction if I if I have trails coming from my

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01:55:23,400 --> 01:55:26,320
Speaker 1: every which direction, I'm gonna give up something. There is

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01:55:26,360 --> 01:55:29,200
Speaker 1: gonna be a spot from my tree stand where they're

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01:55:29,200 --> 01:55:31,320
Speaker 1: gonna get down when where I'm gonna it's gonna cause

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01:55:31,360 --> 01:55:34,760
Speaker 1: his shoes, but I'm gonna be as cent free as possible. Um,

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01:55:34,840 --> 01:55:37,040
Speaker 1: And just say, you know, that's a lost area. If

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01:55:37,040 --> 01:55:40,480
Speaker 1: they get to this spot, so be so be it. Um.

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01:55:40,520 --> 01:55:43,240
Speaker 1: But when you have those spots where you know there's

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01:55:43,280 --> 01:55:47,640
Speaker 1: so many different trails intersecting there, and then on top

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01:55:47,680 --> 01:55:49,320
Speaker 1: of that, you just look at every one of these

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01:55:49,320 --> 01:55:53,960
Speaker 1: trails and there's scrapes, there's rubs, um, And you just

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01:55:54,080 --> 01:55:57,920
Speaker 1: know any deer in that area that's traveling has a

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01:55:58,000 --> 01:56:01,800
Speaker 1: pretty darn good likely hand likelihood of going through this area.

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01:56:01,840 --> 01:56:04,839
Speaker 1: And I also can see, you know, from this stand

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01:56:04,880 --> 01:56:08,360
Speaker 1: and from the other one I'm visualizing, uh, I can

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01:56:08,400 --> 01:56:14,560
Speaker 1: see about maybe three hundred yards in every direction. So

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01:56:15,520 --> 01:56:17,560
Speaker 1: if they weren't to come by my stand, now I

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01:56:17,640 --> 01:56:21,920
Speaker 1: have you know, you know, six d yards radius of

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01:56:21,960 --> 01:56:24,680
Speaker 1: what I can see. And and then I'm just on

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01:56:24,760 --> 01:56:28,480
Speaker 1: pins and needles, scanning the whole morning, the whole afternoon,

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01:56:28,520 --> 01:56:31,560
Speaker 1: the whole day, and I'd sit there the whole day, um,

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01:56:31,600 --> 01:56:33,840
Speaker 1: and if I see something I can't call or that's

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01:56:33,840 --> 01:56:36,640
Speaker 1: not coming in, I try and call them in, uh

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01:56:36,760 --> 01:56:39,880
Speaker 1: in those days in November, and you know, it would

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01:56:39,880 --> 01:56:42,680
Speaker 1: be my very very best spots deep in the timber

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01:56:43,360 --> 01:56:47,200
Speaker 1: um where you know, I call it a hornet's nest,

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01:56:47,240 --> 01:56:50,840
Speaker 1: I call it a whatever, just just kind of like

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01:56:50,880 --> 01:56:53,720
Speaker 1: a it's just kind of that perfect spot. I think

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01:56:54,040 --> 01:56:58,120
Speaker 1: folks could probably visualize, visualize in their mind where you know, man,

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01:56:58,320 --> 01:57:00,120
Speaker 1: every time I go there, I just see a lot

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01:57:00,000 --> 01:57:01,920
Speaker 1: of bucks. And you know, I think a lot of

2147
01:57:01,920 --> 01:57:04,400
Speaker 1: folks get into the habit of I gotta hunt that

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01:57:04,440 --> 01:57:07,040
Speaker 1: stand over and over and over and they ruin it um,

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01:57:07,040 --> 01:57:09,120
Speaker 1: which I don't. But here in this scenario, I can

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01:57:09,120 --> 01:57:11,920
Speaker 1: just hunt it two days, and that's where I'm gonna be,

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01:57:11,920 --> 01:57:15,320
Speaker 1: and I probably and I got two spots in my

2152
01:57:15,360 --> 01:57:18,920
Speaker 1: mind like that, I probably would just take the better one,

2153
01:57:19,200 --> 01:57:21,240
Speaker 1: which is the very first one. It's probably the best

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01:57:21,280 --> 01:57:24,960
Speaker 1: spot I've ever had, and hopefully everybody out there can

2155
01:57:25,040 --> 01:57:27,160
Speaker 1: eventually be like, man, this is the coolest spot I've

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01:57:27,160 --> 01:57:30,120
Speaker 1: ever found. Doesn't mean you know, I mean I've killed

2157
01:57:30,720 --> 01:57:34,280
Speaker 1: mature bucks, you know, every year, just about but and

2158
01:57:34,400 --> 01:57:36,160
Speaker 1: only killed three or four out of the spot. But

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01:57:36,200 --> 01:57:39,800
Speaker 1: it's still, um, probably one of those spots that sticks

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01:57:39,840 --> 01:57:41,800
Speaker 1: out into my mind like this can't be beat. This

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01:57:41,880 --> 01:57:44,280
Speaker 1: is just one of the coolest spots. And I know

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01:57:44,480 --> 01:57:47,040
Speaker 1: every time I sit there, I'm gonna see I'm going

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01:57:47,080 --> 01:57:49,640
Speaker 1: to see a vast amount of mature Bucks. So it's

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01:57:49,680 --> 01:57:52,880
Speaker 1: just one of those high probability spots where the traffics there,

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01:57:52,880 --> 01:57:55,200
Speaker 1: the signs there, it's all there, and I'm just gonna

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01:57:55,240 --> 01:57:58,280
Speaker 1: go all in, all my cards, all my chips, and

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01:57:58,880 --> 01:58:01,320
Speaker 1: uh sit there all day, probably do it both of

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01:58:01,360 --> 01:58:04,640
Speaker 1: those days. It sounds like a good plan to skip by. Uh.

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01:58:05,120 --> 01:58:07,680
Speaker 1: I hope you do find either that spot or some

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01:58:07,760 --> 01:58:09,640
Speaker 1: spot for in these coming weeks for the Big Boy

2171
01:58:09,760 --> 01:58:12,520
Speaker 1: rolls through for you. I'm I'm very appreciate you took

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01:58:12,560 --> 01:58:14,400
Speaker 1: the time to share all this stuff this today. I

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01:58:14,440 --> 01:58:17,640
Speaker 1: hope everybody else does too. And you know, uh, at

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01:58:17,680 --> 01:58:21,320
Speaker 1: forty four after doing this for a while, UM, you know,

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01:58:21,680 --> 01:58:24,680
Speaker 1: if if it works out, it's fantastic. I Uh, I

2176
01:58:24,720 --> 01:58:26,800
Speaker 1: had a long farm season and this is actually the

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01:58:26,840 --> 01:58:29,320
Speaker 1: time I get to take a break. Um, but I've

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01:58:29,320 --> 01:58:31,520
Speaker 1: got family and friends, I want to get on some

2179
01:58:31,560 --> 01:58:34,720
Speaker 1: big deer and um, if I need a tag this year,

2180
01:58:34,760 --> 01:58:37,000
Speaker 1: I needed a tag, that's just my expectations. But yeah,

2181
01:58:37,040 --> 01:58:39,400
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just super super looking forward to get

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01:58:39,440 --> 01:58:42,640
Speaker 1: out being being in the timber and I hope, um,

2183
01:58:43,040 --> 01:58:45,200
Speaker 1: all right, I know your listeners are too. I mean,

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01:58:45,240 --> 01:58:47,200
Speaker 1: it's the magic time of years. This is what we've

2185
01:58:47,200 --> 01:58:50,280
Speaker 1: waited for and it's here, and I wish everybody the

2186
01:58:50,280 --> 01:58:53,720
Speaker 1: best of love. Absolutely well, Thank you, Skip, really appreciate

2187
01:58:53,760 --> 01:58:56,960
Speaker 1: your time. Thanks for having me all right, and that

2188
01:58:57,160 --> 01:58:59,960
Speaker 1: is a rap. Thanks for tuning in, Thanks for being

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01:59:00,120 --> 01:59:02,960
Speaker 1: part of this show here today. I hope you enjoyed it.

2190
01:59:03,040 --> 01:59:04,920
Speaker 1: I hope you'll learned a thing or two. Hopefully you

2191
01:59:05,040 --> 01:59:07,840
Speaker 1: laughed a little bit there at the beginning. And I'm

2192
01:59:07,880 --> 01:59:11,120
Speaker 1: hoping you have got some great rout hunting plans ahead

2193
01:59:11,160 --> 01:59:12,920
Speaker 1: of you. Maybe you're listening to this on the way

2194
01:59:12,960 --> 01:59:14,920
Speaker 1: to the stand. Maybe you're listening to this on the

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01:59:15,000 --> 01:59:16,920
Speaker 1: drive home with a big buck in the back of

2196
01:59:16,920 --> 01:59:20,440
Speaker 1: your truck, fingers crossed, hoping that's the case, and I'm

2197
01:59:20,480 --> 01:59:30,240
Speaker 1: hoping until next time you will stay wired to Hey, guys,

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01:59:30,280 --> 01:59:34,200
Speaker 1: this Hayden Sam Mac engineer for Wired to Hunt. If

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01:59:34,200 --> 01:59:37,240
Speaker 1: you were listening to rut Fresh Radio the other day,

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01:59:37,920 --> 01:59:41,600
Speaker 1: you might remember a conversation about November being the most

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01:59:41,600 --> 01:59:44,240
Speaker 1: wonderful time of the year and how somebody should write

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01:59:44,240 --> 01:59:47,080
Speaker 1: the song the most wonderful time of the year in

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01:59:47,120 --> 01:59:50,120
Speaker 1: relation to uh, in relation to the rut well mark

2204
01:59:50,240 --> 01:59:52,440
Speaker 1: is in the field, and because you can't do anything

2205
01:59:52,440 --> 01:59:55,240
Speaker 1: about it, I took it upon myself to record just

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01:59:55,400 --> 01:59:58,040
Speaker 1: that song with our very own phil of the engineer

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01:59:58,400 --> 02:00:01,600
Speaker 1: on what can only be described as a sultry lead vocal,

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02:00:02,000 --> 02:00:05,080
Speaker 1: and with that I give you the most wonderful time

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02:00:05,200 --> 02:00:09,680
Speaker 1: to kill dear boys. Good to see you, Hayden. It's

2210
02:00:09,720 --> 02:00:11,800
Speaker 1: been a while. Hey, sorry, I'm late. I crashed my

2211
02:00:11,840 --> 02:00:13,240
Speaker 1: ponty at gast. I can do a light pool and

2212
02:00:13,240 --> 02:00:14,520
Speaker 1: how to walk the rest of the way. But I'm

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02:00:14,560 --> 02:00:16,680
Speaker 1: here now, and that's what matters. Give me a glass

2214
02:00:16,680 --> 02:00:18,920
Speaker 1: of scotch, please, Hayden, just two rocks in there. I

2215
02:00:18,920 --> 02:00:22,760
Speaker 1: don't like ice. We're starting already. This is happening. Okay,

2216
02:00:22,760 --> 02:00:24,520
Speaker 1: just give me the give me the glass, thank you. Okay,

2217
02:00:24,520 --> 02:00:30,120
Speaker 1: here we go. It's the most wonderful time to kill deer.

2218
02:00:32,760 --> 02:00:36,520
Speaker 1: With the run now just starting and dashing and dotting

2219
02:00:36,640 --> 02:00:43,040
Speaker 1: and vanes cutting clean, It's the most wonderful time to

2220
02:00:43,600 --> 02:00:46,520
Speaker 1: kill deer. There's far too much ice in this glass.

2221
02:00:46,880 --> 02:00:52,600
Speaker 1: It's the half happyest season of all. There's gotta be

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02:00:52,600 --> 02:00:56,640
Speaker 1: at least twelve cues with grunting and bleeding and called

2223
02:00:56,680 --> 02:01:01,440
Speaker 1: fronts and fleading the last weeks of fun. It's the

2224
02:01:01,720 --> 02:01:10,200
Speaker 1: have puppies seasing of all. There'll be pictures for posting

2225
02:01:10,320 --> 02:01:13,800
Speaker 1: and bragging and boasting and truck beds with big bucks

2226
02:01:13,880 --> 02:01:18,080
Speaker 1: and tow. There will be narrow missed stories and tales

2227
02:01:18,160 --> 02:01:21,680
Speaker 1: of your glories of booner bucks missed with our bows.

2228
02:01:24,080 --> 02:01:29,680
Speaker 1: It's the most wonderful time to kill dear, not just

2229
02:01:29,840 --> 02:01:33,200
Speaker 1: one baby two. There will be no dose of blowing

2230
02:01:33,360 --> 02:01:38,760
Speaker 1: and loomen Knox glowing and blood trails so clean it's

2231
02:01:38,800 --> 02:01:46,480
Speaker 1: the most wonderful time to kill dean. Excuse me? Can

2232
02:01:46,520 --> 02:01:48,400
Speaker 1: I have a napkin? Please? I just spilt some scotch

2233
02:01:48,440 --> 02:01:51,560
Speaker 1: on my loafers. I can't have dirty loafers in the studio.

2234
02:01:52,080 --> 02:01:56,480
Speaker 1: Thank you tailgate beers for drinking and big boxes slinking

2235
02:01:56,680 --> 02:02:01,000
Speaker 1: and chasing and sent checking does They will be fighting

2236
02:02:01,120 --> 02:02:05,280
Speaker 1: and scraping and no more escaping and arrow shot true

2237
02:02:05,400 --> 02:02:11,680
Speaker 1: hitting home key change. But no one told me that

2238
02:02:12,480 --> 02:02:18,000
Speaker 1: it's the most wonderful time to kill deer. I was

2239
02:02:18,120 --> 02:02:21,680
Speaker 1: very unprepared for this. There will be much morning sitting

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02:02:21,840 --> 02:02:27,320
Speaker 1: in cold FRONTSA, hitting the dawn crispin clean. It's the

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02:02:27,360 --> 02:02:34,000
Speaker 1: most s wonderful time, Oh, the most s wonderful time. Yes,

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02:02:34,120 --> 02:02:48,120
Speaker 1: the most wonderful time to kill Dean. There's too much

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02:02:48,200 --> 02:02:51,520
Speaker 1: ice in the glass. Two rocks