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Speaker 1: The following He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This he's Talking Cowboys

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Speaker 1: Training live from the Dallas Cowboys World Hours at the

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Speaker 1: Star in Frasco. It's a Wednesday edition of Talking Cowboys

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Speaker 1: here on Dallas Cowboys dot Com for the final time,

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Speaker 1: live from training camp in Oxnard, California, as we continue

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Speaker 1: to break down Cowboys training camp here in twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 1: alongside Mickey's Bag Nolan Ron Phillips, I'm Kyle the Ooman's Where, gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: we have some television to talk about since we were

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Speaker 1: last on air, and I'm not talking about the Bachelorette finale.

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Speaker 1: That's not what we're talking about. Sorry, Rob. I'll start

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Speaker 1: my own podcast for that one when me and Dave

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Speaker 1: can do that one. And you and Hellman have had

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Speaker 1: some bonding over the Bachelorette finales. But no. HBO's Hard

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Speaker 1: Knocks NFL Films on the Dallas Cowboys and an inside

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Speaker 1: look at Training Camp premiered last night. Make I know

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Speaker 1: you're a big TV watcher, carve out some time and

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Speaker 1: you're busy schedule to watch last night. I watched it twice. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I watched it the first time, and then I took

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Speaker 1: some notes the second time, and uh, yeah, I thought

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Speaker 1: it was I thought it was really really good. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, you know, we've been around

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Speaker 1: for the other two with the Cowboys, and for a

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Speaker 1: first episode and trying to capture not our attention, but

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Speaker 1: other people's attention that may not be following the Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: I thought they did a heck of a job of

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Speaker 1: setting the emotion and coming and portraying the personalities of

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Speaker 1: Dak Prescott, Ezekiel Elliott, Micah Parsons, a little bit more

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Speaker 1: of Mike McCarthy and Dan Quinn also. And I thought

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Speaker 1: they did a really good job of capturing it. And

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Speaker 1: you know, the video was real good too, by the way,

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Speaker 1: the audio was good too. And you say you watched

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Speaker 1: it twice and you missed a very key element of

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Speaker 1: that show, very key open. You know. After you told

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Speaker 1: me that, I remember thinking when the open did and

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Speaker 1: whatever was said, and I said, oh, the narrator, he

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Speaker 1: must have been looking at what I wrote or said,

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Speaker 1: because that sounds familiar. That's exactly what I'm saying. I

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Speaker 1: just passed it off. It was like, yeah, that that's

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Speaker 1: the narrator way, so you didn't notice. I did not.

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Speaker 1: I absolutely did not interesting and nobody. And I was

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Speaker 1: sitting next to Brad, and Brad didn't go, oh that's you.

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Speaker 1: Sod's used to be in and those well I'd recognized

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Speaker 1: and I kind of hit him on the side and said,

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Speaker 1: oh there, way to go. But I didn't recognize my

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Speaker 1: own voice. That was off of a Talking Cowboys podcast, right,

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Speaker 1: I believe clip that was our first one here. I

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Speaker 1: think that's what you said. Yeah, so do we get

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Speaker 1: like royalties off that from HBO? I didn't sign any release. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you don't get royalties. You know when we with the

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Speaker 1: Zinger over here, when we when we when when samt

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Speaker 1: does the making of the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders, and when

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Speaker 1: we're the judges and they kind of use that stuff.

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Speaker 1: We got to resign a release, do you really? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: If that's because your face is on it, I wonder

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Speaker 1: if your voice doesn't count as much? Maybe? I think.

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Speaker 1: I think when they signed the paperwork to be all access,

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Speaker 1: it included podcasts, it included anything we do about here. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: probably I don't I don't think we have separate negotiations. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure that that paper was probably signed for us

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Speaker 1: a lot further back than what checks it checks in

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Speaker 1: the mail, right. But yeah, you're listening to the world

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Speaker 1: famous Now Talking Cowboys podcast because they used the clip

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Speaker 1: of ours in the opening of the show. But Rob,

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Speaker 1: And but again, I think from a transparency standpoint, everything

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Speaker 1: Dak's ankle doing pretty solid. I mean, he looked good,

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Speaker 1: some guy got all over me on something. I looked

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Speaker 1: With any sport, there's always skepticism about, oh, this player's fine,

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Speaker 1: fans naturally are skeptics about things. Well, they should listen

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying. They did a nice job of showing

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Speaker 1: It was great stuff. And we saw Jerry and Joey's

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Speaker 1: I could hear all the physicians your heart, your heart, um, Rob.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned Dak Prescott and kind of his return from

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Speaker 1: the fan of we may see Dek Prescott throw a

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Speaker 1: he was cutting everything. So what they were doing is

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Speaker 1: That's a positive step for him. Although I don't think

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Speaker 1: They're going to ramp him up. But yeah, no, that

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Speaker 1: because Mike had mentioned the day before or a couple

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Speaker 1: they captured Jim Miller saying, you know, we're being overly

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425
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Speaker 1: I always remembered that with a running back, it's like, Okay,

426
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Speaker 1: they probably don't need to go and get jostled around there.

427
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Speaker 1: They're pretty good. And so yeah, I would be surprised

428
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Speaker 1: if if he uh, if he's used, and I thought

429
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Speaker 1: what they did would Micah Parsons established his personality, right,

430
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Speaker 1: I did. Uh. It's like, hey, come on, give me

431
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Speaker 1: another one, and Quinn's like, no, we're done. Oh I

432
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Speaker 1: want one more? No, no, he goes, I want one

433
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Speaker 1: more Series two, You're done, and he tried to talk

434
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Speaker 1: his way back into the darn game. Vanderesh laughed at him, right, like, rookie,

435
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Speaker 1: did you ask him? You asked him the police for

436
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 1: war snaps or vanders said, what are you doing? Try

437
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Speaker 1: to make all the tackles. It was pretty funny because

438
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Speaker 1: I'm sure Vanderish is going, Okay, this rookie guy. But

439
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Speaker 1: but it's a preseason game. But he that's his personality, right.

440
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Speaker 1: And the part about he was hungry and in Penn

441
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Speaker 1: State we had snacks during practice, right, Lions always hungry man,

442
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,879
Speaker 1: Lions always hunk out to feed the lion. Right. You

443
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Speaker 1: kind of knew he was going to be the star

444
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Speaker 1: or the show and they'll there will be more of

445
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Speaker 1: of Micah. I'm sure. One other thing about Zeke is

446
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Speaker 1: there's not like a huge playbook on what he's done

447
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Speaker 1: in preseason because when you think about it, they had

448
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Speaker 1: no preseason last year. One year he held out. The

449
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Speaker 1: year before that he did, he wasn't even here. And

450
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Speaker 1: then I think the year before that, maybe twenty seventeen,

451
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Speaker 1: he was suspended. Right, so he hasn't been out. He

452
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Speaker 1: was he in camp. He was in camp, he was

453
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Speaker 1: in Penn because remember he protested it, and then it

454
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Speaker 1: lasted till the ninth game, right, he didn't get suspended

455
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Speaker 1: six games, he was, he was here six second half.

456
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Speaker 1: But the last couple of camps he hasn't been in

457
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Speaker 1: camp or in preseason. Last year, no games. Um, maybe

458
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Speaker 1: that's why I couldn't hauld On on the football. Huh.

459
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Speaker 1: Maybe I don't think it helped anybody. Maybe I don't

460
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Speaker 1: think that, you know, not having preseason helped anybody. But yeah,

461
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Speaker 1: I'd be shocked if he does much. And you know,

462
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Speaker 1: Mike reference. I think it was to Stephen how good

463
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Speaker 1: a shape he's in. But he's got a lot of

464
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Speaker 1: carries on him over his career, so got to be

465
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Speaker 1: mindful of that. I mean, he's got a couple two

466
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 1: or three three hundred carry seasons on his resume. I

467
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Speaker 1: want to also kind of go back to the Micah

468
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Speaker 1: Parsons conversation there and Rob, I want to get your

469
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Speaker 1: input on this. But Mica talked about it the other

470
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Speaker 1: day about being a versatile player, about how it's it

471
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Speaker 1: is a kind of a chess game. From a coordinator standpoint,

472
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Speaker 1: you want to be a chess piece that can move

473
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Speaker 1: multiple different ways. You don't want to be the rook

474
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Speaker 1: who just can go forward and sideways. You want to

475
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Speaker 1: be able to go diagonal. You want to be able

476
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Speaker 1: to do different stuff. He was very illustrative on how

477
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Speaker 1: he wants to be as a player. Do you think

478
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Speaker 1: that there's a balance that has to be had between

479
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Speaker 1: this coaching staff and with Micah Parsons from a mental standpoint,

480
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Speaker 1: and then also his physical limitations because there's not a

481
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Speaker 1: lot of physical limitations are none exactly, but that's but

482
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Speaker 1: they're throwing a lot on him mentally to be able

483
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Speaker 1: to call a defense running multiple But he's doing is

484
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Speaker 1: repeating what the coach tells him in his ear. He's

485
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Speaker 1: not like going the line of scrimma. That's easier said

486
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Speaker 1: than done. Well, why if I give you we're gonna

487
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Speaker 1: run streak right, you know, backside left, All I gotta

488
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Speaker 1: do is come out and say that I mean, it's

489
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Speaker 1: not like you're calling the defense. You're just repeating what

490
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Speaker 1: the head coach telling or the defensive coordinator tells you.

491
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Speaker 1: I think, And and look, he he was doing it

492
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Speaker 1: when he was on nickel uh and he was the

493
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Speaker 1: middle linebacker in the nickel, right. I don't think he's

494
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Speaker 1: calling it when he's the strong side linebacker in the

495
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Speaker 1: four three running with the first team J Smith and

496
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Speaker 1: Vander Rather. I agree, because somebody else is going to

497
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Speaker 1: have the green dot. You can only have one green

498
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Speaker 1: dot on the field at a time too, by the way,

499
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Speaker 1: So I just I don't know if they switch it

500
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Speaker 1: helmets or how they're or maybe you can do it

501
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Speaker 1: in the preseason, but when you get in the regular season,

502
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Speaker 1: it's one green dot. Can't you have a backup green dot? Yeah,

503
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Speaker 1: you have to too. So yeah, I just thought though

504
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: that was that was a little inside nugget that we

505
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Speaker 1: hadn't seen because he talked about it the other day,

506
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Speaker 1: but we hadn't really seen that behind the scenes him

507
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: doing that. That's a responsibility. But he had the thing

508
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 1: on his helmet, okay, right, we didn't have audio of

509
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 1: him doing it. It's my point, all right, So that

510
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: that was pretty cool. Um, I do think, and I

511
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: asked Mike McCarthy this early in camp, like the it's

512
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 1: not that, not that part of it, but the number

513
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,120
Speaker 1: of different things he's being asked to do on the field,

514
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: position wise, what's the balance of his plate? And Mike

515
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: said at one point, maybe we're putting a little too

516
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 1: much on him. Dan really hasn't said that. He said,

517
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Speaker 1: if there's anything, it's it's the physical side, the amount

518
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Speaker 1: of reps he's taking. And we think about he opted

519
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: out last year, he didn't play, so there is that

520
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Speaker 1: football shape element of it. But I I haven't seen

521
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Speaker 1: anything that suggests this is too big for him. I mean,

522
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Speaker 1: the way he played in the preseason game. He was

523
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Speaker 1: as active as anybody out there. And you can tell

524
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Speaker 1: he's willing to learn. He's he's with win between series,

525
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 1: talking constantly, So I don't think it's an issue. And

526
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Speaker 1: you know, and I think as we go along further,

527
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 1: what he's being asked to do will be clearer. You know.

528
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:14,880
Speaker 1: That's what Dan has talked about over and over again.

529
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Speaker 1: Find out what he's really good at and what he's

530
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Speaker 1: comfortable with, and then we'll kind of tailor it to

531
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Speaker 1: that he's good at everything. That's why last Friday when

532
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Speaker 1: I wrote my column, I said, I'm not going to

533
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Speaker 1: pigeonhole him and say he's a linebacker. He's a football player.

534
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 1: Just put him on the field, ask him to do something,

535
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Speaker 1: and he will do it. Do you hear what Dak said.

536
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 1: He said, gol, he's fast. Well, that's one of the

537
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: reasons why you draft a guy like that. You're not

538
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Speaker 1: drafting a linebacker. You are drafting a verstal, versatile football

539
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 1: player who can do a lot of things. And Quinny

540
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 1: even said it, he goes, right now, we're gonna ask

541
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 1: guys to do a lot of stuff and then we'll

542
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Speaker 1: find out what they can't do. This is when you

543
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Speaker 1: find out what they can't do. So when I get

544
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Speaker 1: into the regular games, you don't say, okay, try to

545
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: do this. No, what I'm saying, though, he's a football player.

546
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Speaker 1: If you look at before to the draft, everybody's like, well,

547
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Speaker 1: he's a linebacker. We don't draft a linebacker that high. Well,

548
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: he's a special linebacker. And we got to see that

549
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: yesterday and and and just showing the highlights of one game,

550
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 1: you see that he can do things that other normal

551
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: linebackers can't do, and that's why you draft a guy

552
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: that high. You don't draft an offensive lineman who would

553
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 1: be sitting on the bench right now. I think I

554
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 1: get what you're saying, and I actually agree with you

555
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Speaker 1: to a certain extent. The thing that's impressed me the

556
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 1: most from Michael Parsons, though, hasn't necessarily even been his versatility.

557
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: It's been his ability to keep up with what they're

558
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: throwing at him from a mental standpoint, because from a rookie,

559
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's hard to do to be able

560
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: to play multiple positions, have that understanding enough to one,

561
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: like you said, repeat and call a defense, but you

562
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: have to have an understanding to a certain stint to

563
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: be able to play multiple positions and still do that.

564
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Speaker 1: That's what's most impressed me, outside of what he does

565
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 1: from a physical standpoint, because he's fantastic there as well.

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Speaker 1: One thing he said to us the other day was

567
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Speaker 1: this scheme is very similar to what he did at

568
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Speaker 1: Penn State, which so great. So there's not a ton

569
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Speaker 1: of new information. I mean, terminology is different and all that,

570
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Speaker 1: But if you watched his tape in college, he rushed

571
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 1: the passer a lot I mean he was That's what

572
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: he's probably the best thing he was good at. You know,

573
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: he's an off the ball linebacker, gap be gap blitzer man.

574
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: He was great. He's great at that. You know, he

575
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 1: was also good at that stop on the run too. Well,

576
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: that's very instinctive. Yeah. Now the coverage part of it,

577
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 1: that's something that maybe will improve with time. But I

578
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: think like those first two things are things that he

579
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Speaker 1: was just flat out dominant at. Looked like Mike Singletary

580
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 1: out there making plays in college. So that was interesting

581
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Speaker 1: that it's not this brand new scheme for him, and

582
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Speaker 1: that's you know, and I'm sure that's part of the

583
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 1: evaluation for the Cowboys and dan Quinn is like, oh,

584
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Speaker 1: what he's doing in college works perfectly with my scheme

585
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: and what I would have him do. Here. You heard

586
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: what he said. He goes, I'm a football player, and

587
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: I'm saying that's what he is. You don't need to

588
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: put an LB by him, just put f P football

589
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 1: player and then let him go. You know. It's like Palomlo, Right,

590
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 1: Polomelo didn't have any restrictions. He kind of freelance back there.

591
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 1: I remember Bill talking about Polomlo. He goes. He doesn't

592
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: know what he's doing. He's just out there, you know,

593
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: and you see it. So that's hard for us to

594
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: predict what he's gonna do on any play because he's

595
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: just freelancing out there. But if you know how to

596
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: play the game, you can get away with that because

597
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: if you make a mistake, you just might have enough

598
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: athletic ability to compensate for your mistake. I agree. You

599
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: sound like you're defending this draft pick. No, I'm not,

600
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: you do. I'm just well, there was a lot of

601
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Speaker 1: saying it's a terrible pick. There was a lot of

602
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: criticism when they drafted him. Is there criticism now, No,

603
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 1: they're starting to see, they're starting to see. That's the

604
00:31:56,080 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: point that Rob's making is there was criticism at the time. Yeah,

605
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: why because there were other options out there who would

606
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: have been sitting on the bench and the corner Batley

607
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: had given. Okay, who would whose pot was he taken?

608
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: He could have definitely taken fifty two. I like Connor

609
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: Williams and he's a fantastic camp But I mean, you

610
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: don't know that. For Shawn Slater is a really good player, Okay.

611
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm with Mickey here. Did you watch the

612
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: defense last year? Oh? They were terrible. Okay. How would

613
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: you not spend your first pick up somebody on defense

614
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: to help you? You have somebody and they did. Okay.

615
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 1: That's what people were upset about, is that they didn't

616
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 1: want to be pigeonholed into a defensive player, and they

617
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: felt that way with Micah Parsons. Even though Arsons is

618
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: a really good football player and should have been drafted

619
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Speaker 1: at the twelfth overall pick. There was nothing wrong with that.

620
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Speaker 1: It was the fact that they wanted a corner. They

621
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: were both gone, and then they felt pigeonholed, and that's

622
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 1: why people were upset. Yeah, well they should they I

623
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: understand the corner thing. The corner one gonna stop you

624
00:32:56,160 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: from giving up twenty five hundred yards rushing. Hopefully Michael

625
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 1: Parsons can do that. Well, that's why can't. He can't

626
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: do it by himself. It's gotta be a couple other guys. Yeah,

627
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy said he's gonna try to stop it all

628
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 1: by himself. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true. Lion's always hungry, man.

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Speaker 1: That's right. When we come back here on Talking Cowboys,

630
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Speaker 1: we're gonna preview Friday's matchup with the Arizona Cardinals. What

631
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Speaker 1: should you be looking for? We're gonna give you a

632
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Speaker 1: roadmap to preseason game number two when we come back

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Speaker 1: the writers with Drew. Okay, yeah, okay, whatever. I'm just

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Speaker 1: reading the press release Oh, I'd never get it, said

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Speaker 1: don't I'm not big enough to make those either. Um

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Speaker 1: how much the starters play. I would think, you know,

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Speaker 1: probably not a whole lot, because look after last year,

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Speaker 1: what's the biggest goal here? Get everybody healthy to the season.

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Speaker 1: So I wouldn't expect a ton from the starters, but

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Speaker 1: I'm curious to see how much how much they play.

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Speaker 1: And obviously Garrett Gilbert's probably gonna get that start. Do

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Speaker 1: you think you'll see more of him throughout the game?

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Speaker 1: You think maybe he'll get more than the two series,

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Speaker 1: maybe go an entire half, especially because of the availability

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Speaker 1: get I would bet he gets almost a half because

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Speaker 1: without rush there then all you got is a Dunucine

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Speaker 1: something were to happen to that moving forward, give him

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Speaker 1: each a half. Yeah, you know, I don't know that

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Speaker 1: they'll throw CD out there. Maybe else see again, uh

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Speaker 1: Beadish Williams, Tyrn Smith. I don't know if Tyrone will

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Speaker 1: go or not because they didn't sure didn't use him

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Speaker 1: be interesting to see if they if they hold him

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Speaker 1: see what see what happens Um and even else, I think,

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Speaker 1: what did he do? He played two series and I

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Speaker 1: think he was out. Uh, And they brought in Terrence Steele,

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Speaker 1: so so select veterans may so I think maybe from

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Speaker 1: a defensive standpoint, you may see more starters out there

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Speaker 1: like we saw in the first name. Trayvon Diggs did

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Speaker 1: not play in the open or maybe he played. Gregory

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Speaker 1: will probably get a snap or two. They might do that,

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Speaker 1: and then the linebackers they used t Um and they

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Speaker 1: probably couldn't tie Parsons down to keep them running out

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Speaker 1: A couple injury notes yes from from yesterday, we saw

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Speaker 1: Malie Hooker take part in the walkthrough. He did. Now,

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's gonna play in this game, but

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Speaker 1: he's ramping up, and maybe when we get back from Oxnard,

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Speaker 1: We asked you asked Joe Witt about that yesterday. He

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Speaker 1: didn't really have an answer for us, but his activity

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Speaker 1: He might get left behind. Your big mystery of camp

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Speaker 1: Fossil basically spelled it out that he really doesn't need

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Speaker 1: What he said was he kicks. If he can kick

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Speaker 1: for three to four weeks leading to the first game,

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Speaker 1: he'll be fine. And evidently he's been kicking behind the scenes.

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Speaker 1: We haven't seen it. So he seems pretty confident that

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Speaker 1: you'll get all greg zerline. Even though he's recovering. You know,

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Speaker 1: I thought I thought the surgery was after the season.

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Speaker 1: I was told it didn't happen till May. So no,

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Speaker 1: they said Spring, No, maybe that was a tank. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think so we're talking. Usually when you have a

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Speaker 1: back issue like that with a disc, it's a three

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Speaker 1: ramping up right now. They feel he feels totally confident

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Speaker 1: that he'll just go out there and pick it up

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Speaker 1: as normal. But you know, one of the things you

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Speaker 1: have a new holder and a new deep snapper. So

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Speaker 1: but I guess maybe they're working on the side, and

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Speaker 1: he seemed pretty confident. He also seemed pretty confident that

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Speaker 1: Anger is going to be the punter. Ye when he

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Speaker 1: He did, even though he was the starter, he right

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Speaker 1: and kicked better than the start that was here initially.

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Speaker 1: That's not a surprise though, I mean he we we

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Speaker 1: talked about Hunter getting a chance to put some stuff

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Speaker 1: on tape. You know, he's look Brian Anger's got ten

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Speaker 1: years experience on him and look and punted well last year.

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Speaker 1: But you know, John has a lot of sway clearly

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Speaker 1: as a long snapper, so um yeah, it sounds like

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Speaker 1: that's what they'll probably go without. Another guy that was

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Speaker 1: he had come out and I guess it was I

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Speaker 1: And it sounds like, um, Olana lewis probably dust in

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Speaker 1: and it's got to be serious enough that you know,

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Speaker 1: they don't think he can get back in time to

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Speaker 1: put him on IR to make him eligible to come off.

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Speaker 1: But you know, when you're a guy like that, and

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Speaker 1: put your neck up up in there again. Moose came

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Speaker 1: back and did it. Well. I mean, we don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know the extent of the injury. We just

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Speaker 1: know that he's got to just sound serious enough to yeah,

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Speaker 1: probably land on IR. So that's one to you know.

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Speaker 1: And then but they still use some of that formation.

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Speaker 1: And they used Nick Ralston, the kid from from our

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Speaker 1: gyle uh as the fullback and then use them one

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Speaker 1: back and they use that same formation last year with

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Speaker 1: Sean mcun so. They have some guys that are potentially confiding.

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Speaker 1: So do you think they keep an extra tight end

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Speaker 1: if they don't keep that fullback? I think so. But

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Speaker 1: so Sprinkle might have a chance, honestly, Yeah. But that's

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Speaker 1: that's the thing is, like I think you could have

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Speaker 1: the flex position for both spots. That gives you that

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Speaker 1: opens up another spot for somewhere else potentially. That's kind

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Speaker 1: the one on ones was really good. It was awesome,

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Speaker 1: and he's got some swagger to him. Yeah, you know

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Speaker 1: might see, huh. It was something we didn't see with

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Speaker 1: Alana Lua last year because one he being an undrafted

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Speaker 1: free agent and a borderline active inactive guy on the

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Speaker 1: practice squad. You never got to talk to him ever

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Speaker 1: really last year. And then he comes out this year

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Speaker 1: and you hear that the miked up stuff and he's

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Speaker 1: talking with Michael Parsons. I mean, this is an undrafted

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Speaker 1: free agent fullback talking with your first round linebacker and

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Speaker 1: then joking him on a on around bard yourself on

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Speaker 1: a wheel route. It was awesome, real quick on the show.

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Speaker 1: I just because you're closer to Mike's age than I am,

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Speaker 1: not by a ton, but Harry High school Charlie was

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Speaker 1: blank around. It was it was it. Wait, are those

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Speaker 1: terms that you had growing up in Chicago Heights, Charlie

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Speaker 1: f around. Yeah, yeah, Harry High School and then it

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Speaker 1: was Harry High School, get your get your butt out

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Speaker 1: of the door. Sorry, I had to bring that. This

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Speaker 1: is about waiting. No, that was that was that. The

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Speaker 1: whole thing was priceless, Yes, priceless. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: um so I had next to that note, Uh, Brad

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Speaker 1: looked up online. Uh the suitcase it was two thousand

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Speaker 1: and five hundred and fifty dollars. Yeah, it doesn't surprise me.

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Speaker 1: Includes the bag, the orange one that it came in.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah yeah. Um. I kept getting questions about Vinny.

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Speaker 1: Did I miss something? Vinny test? Is that what? No?

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Speaker 1: Somebody was asking about Vinny. It was when Dax's GPS

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Speaker 1: numbers were up and he was taking less reps and

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Speaker 1: he said something to either CD or maybe Will McClay.

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Speaker 1: He mentioned blocking Vinny and Dave and I went up

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Speaker 1: and down the depth chart be nicknamed n Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: don't know. We had we had that as an un

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Speaker 1: answered question as well, Well, we will figure it out.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna find a way to find out who this

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Speaker 1: Vinny character is. If everybody a nickname and we don't

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Speaker 1: know him, you know, Yeah, it's true, it's true. Let's

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Speaker 1: see we find you figured out at some point. Vicky,

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Speaker 1: it has been a pleasure to have you back on

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Speaker 1: talking Cowboys Training. K I enjoyed this. This was great.

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Speaker 1: We'll have to have you on at some point along

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Speaker 1: the way. We will be back in Frisco coming up

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Speaker 1: next week with Rob Phillips, Isaiah Stanback, heck My Harrison, myself,

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Speaker 1: Kyle Yeomans. But for now, for the great Mickey spag No, look, Chrispam,

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Speaker 1: William Boykins here in the tent. That's gonna do it

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Speaker 1: for us. We'll see you next time here on Dallas

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