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Speaker 3: the Big twelve is aggressive. You know, who's going to

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Speaker 3: Okay, So here we are again once again every so often.

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Speaker 1: Controversial PAC twelve tweets and whatnot. Our friend Brett McMurphy,

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Speaker 4: Now again, the chance for the PAC twelve is so

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Speaker 4: Now. Look, everyone's going to say, hey, we're all on board,

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Speaker 4: And so that's what the position these schools are in

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Speaker 4: you have less exposure. There's not a right or wrong

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Speaker 4: answer here. It's just your preference. So basically, once George

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Speaker 4: You know what, we need some more time, and then

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Speaker 4: If when the Big ten offers Oregon, Washington and whoever

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Speaker 2: Whether they sign a new deal or not, they'll get

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Speaker 4: The PAC twelve is you're not going to lock these

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Speaker 4: all these things combined has made this real challenging endeavor.

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Speaker 4: For George Khloff cough, and I feel bad for him.

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Speaker 4: actually not. It doesn't matter who the commissioner the PAC

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Speaker 2: That's why they have security.

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Speaker 2: For Oregon in Washington.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you may give them a number that they

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Speaker 4: I think what Kleoff coof is trying to do is

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Speaker 2: Is that he was out there. You know, this was

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Speaker 4: There projecting that they could get up to be forty million.

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Speaker 4: It's a streaming exclusive deal with Amazon and Apple, and

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Speaker 4: Is if you're ESPN, if you're Apple, if you're Amazon,

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Speaker 4: We need to give these guys an extra you know,

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Speaker 4: Now we're down to two or three. Well, then we're

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean, the interesting thing about the New

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it's hard to say until we actually

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Speaker 2: And you know, it's just it's just weird, and it's similar.

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Speaker 4: I know, you guys, you know you're not old, but

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Speaker 4: And I tell people, you know that, I know at

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Speaker 2: The worst is. Well, they were the two worst of

438
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Speaker 2: the six.

439
00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,679
Speaker 4: And back then, the Big East actually you can make

440
00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,960
Speaker 4: an argument that they had a better, better football product.

441
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:10,720
Speaker 2: Than the ACC. So what happened.

442
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:14,760
Speaker 4: The ACC swooped in got pitt Syracuse, eventually they got

443
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:18,320
Speaker 4: Louisville and then there's no Big East football. May it

444
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,200
Speaker 4: rest in peace. So now what happens We've got five

445
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:23,439
Speaker 4: Power five leagues. They told the Big East you're no

446
00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:28,679
Speaker 4: longer an automatic automatic qualifying conference. Then they created the

447
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,000
Speaker 4: College Football Playoff with five Power five leagues.

448
00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:34,240
Speaker 2: So now what happens. We're going from FOURCE four to twelve,

449
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:35,920
Speaker 2: So what do you think is going to happen.

450
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,360
Speaker 4: I'm guessing that at some point they're going to say, hey,

451
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:43,879
Speaker 4: you know what, there's only four you know, autonomous conferences

452
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 4: out there now, because you know, if there's been movement

453
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Speaker 4: within the PAC twelve. And then ultimately, I think five

454
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Speaker 4: or ten years from now, when you guys are running

455
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,600
Speaker 4: the universe, there will be two conferences. There will be

456
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:56,720
Speaker 4: the Big Ten in the SEC and they will have

457
00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,440
Speaker 4: twenty four or more members and that will be your

458
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,520
Speaker 4: Division one football. Everyone else will be in some other

459
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,159
Speaker 4: version of it. And who is in the SEC and

460
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 4: Big ten at that point, I don't know, but they

461
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 4: you know, it's funny with Power five and I'm saying

462
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:14,440
Speaker 4: Power four. It's it's the Big two and everybody else

463
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 4: at this point, and everybody's just kind of trying to

464
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:19,719
Speaker 4: you know, the Big twelve is not trying to be

465
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 4: better than the SEC, the ACC not trying to be

466
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,199
Speaker 4: better than the Big ten. Everybody just doesn't want to

467
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:30,359
Speaker 4: be that bottom conference. And right now, because of a

468
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:34,400
Speaker 4: number of factors, some self inflicted, some just bad luck.

469
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Speaker 4: The PAC twelve, you know, is in that position where

470
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:42,240
Speaker 4: they their future membership could include. You know, there's been

471
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,359
Speaker 4: reports out there besides San Diego State and SMU, you know,

472
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 4: considering two Lane and Rise and all these look nothing

473
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:52,439
Speaker 4: against those schools, but you know, there obviously would be

474
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 4: more separation if that occurred in the PAC twelve loss,

475
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Speaker 4: you know, anywhere from two to six schools to other conference.

476
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 3: So inside the industry. So the industry obviously is a

477
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 3: vague term. So it's television industry, it's college athletic industry,

478
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 3: it's TV network industry. Is there a consensus on where

479
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 3: besides the fact that there's going to be a big two,

480
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:19,120
Speaker 3: is there a consensus on where this PAC twelve thing

481
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,160
Speaker 3: will probably end up? Where this big ten thing will

482
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Speaker 3: probably end up? And if I'm hearing you correctly, does

483
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,440
Speaker 3: that make whoever's running things at Fox and whoever's running

484
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Speaker 3: things at ESPN be it? You know, Eric Shanks and

485
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 3: Jimmy Pataro are they running the sport? Are they the

486
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:37,920
Speaker 3: two co commissioners of the sport? Is that fair to.

487
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 4: Say commissioners may be a little bit too strong, But

488
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Speaker 4: certainly none of these moves are being made by Kevin

489
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 4: Warren didn't make didn't add USC and USCULA because he

490
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 4: wanted to have two California teams in. He made the

491
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:57,880
Speaker 4: moves because his meteor partners told him if he did so,

492
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Speaker 4: your conference would be worth X times more money.

493
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Speaker 2: So that's why they did that.

494
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 4: So if you want to say they're the commissioners, I

495
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 4: guess that's one way of putting it to kind of

496
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:13,640
Speaker 4: be you know, to look at it another way. All

497
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 4: of these conferences do this all the time. They'll go

498
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 4: to their media partners and say, hey, if we add

499
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 4: school XYZ, what would you be paying us per school?

500
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Speaker 2: What would that look like?

501
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Speaker 4: And the networks are honest they say, okay, we would

502
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,919
Speaker 4: pay you more, we would pay you less. So based

503
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:32,919
Speaker 4: on that, that's what causes conference realignment. It's not simply

504
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,920
Speaker 4: these conferences saying, oh, you know what, we want to

505
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 4: add Arizona Arizona State because that'd be a cool trip

506
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 4: down to the desert. It's like, no, we can add

507
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 4: more value to our to our conference and all that stuff.

508
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,440
Speaker 4: So that's how all that happens. People like to blame ESPN.

509
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 4: You guys know, I used to work there. I'm not

510
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:53,719
Speaker 4: going to sit here and rip them. ESPN is just

511
00:25:53,800 --> 00:26:00,880
Speaker 4: telling their you know, their conferences or their schools, you're

512
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,199
Speaker 4: worth this much money. So now the SEC says, well

513
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 4: what if we add o you in Texas? Okay, well

514
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 4: now you're worth this much. And then the SEC goes, wow,

515
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 4: we should probably add o you in Texas.

516
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:12,719
Speaker 2: So that's how it kind of works.

517
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 4: Obviously the conference has to want to add additional schools

518
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,679
Speaker 4: or grow to do that, but when they see the

519
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 4: financial rewards, it's like a no brainer. You know, who

520
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 4: are you who's not going to say, hey, you know what,

521
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 4: I don't want to add to USC and UCLA. I'd

522
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 4: rather make less money. Nobody's going to do that.

523
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Speaker 3: How much of it is long term strategic thought? And

524
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 3: who is the one strategizing? Obviously there's some sort of calculation. Okay,

525
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 3: if we add USC and UCLA, everybody's you know, it's

526
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 3: it's a rising tide. Everybody's going to make more money.

527
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 3: If we add Texas Oklahoma, we're going to make more

528
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,399
Speaker 3: money for you know, for ABC, for the SEC, for

529
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 3: everybody's going to make more money.

530
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 2: Is there a.

531
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Speaker 3: Calculation in saying, Okay, we're adding this, but in that

532
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 3: time we are also potentially turning off people casual viewers

533
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,679
Speaker 3: who root for teams not in these conferences. Is there

534
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 3: any sort of calculation like we could get blowback and

535
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,880
Speaker 3: people might not be super into the sport as much

536
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 3: as they used to be. As you know, ratings for

537
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 3: the playoff have declined, Ratings for some of the bigger

538
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 3: games have declined. Is there is there a specific like

539
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 3: actuary essentially for these networks? Who's trying to weigh all

540
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 3: of these things?

541
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 2: Now? I don't, I don't. I mean there may be, Yeah,

542
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 2: I don't think.

543
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 4: I don't think anybody involved in this likes to see

544
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 4: conferences dismantled and maybe conferences eliminated, you know, like the

545
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 4: Big East Football you know, the whack you know, may

546
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 4: at rest in peace. I mean, there's a lot of

547
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 4: them that have that have come and gone because of

548
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 4: all the moves or the dominoes resulting moves from other conferences.

549
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 4: But bottom line is there the networks are trying to

550
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 4: get the most attractive products for their to put on

551
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 4: to broadcast to make them more money. That way, the

552
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,880
Speaker 4: conferences can receive more money, you know, it's basically it's

553
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 4: become it's become the NFL. I mean it's kind of

554
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 4: always been the NFL, but it's kind of becoming the NFL.

555
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:06,160
Speaker 4: You've got one one conference on ESPN, you've got one

556
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,160
Speaker 4: on on Fox and CBS, and I think at some point,

557
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 4: like I said, there'll be twenty fourteens or more, the

558
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 4: two champs will play and you know whatever carts football

559
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 4: super Bowl is called it that at that time. But

560
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,400
Speaker 4: I don't think anyone's sitting there going, oh, you know what,

561
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 4: we shouldn't take this school because this fan base won't

562
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 4: like it or not. It's simply financially does this make sense?

563
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 4: And then they're going to make it work. And with

564
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,959
Speaker 4: the USC and UCLA to the Pac twelve, obviously geography

565
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 4: was kind of the last let's everyone kind of stay

566
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 4: in their own kind of footprint or whatever. But then

567
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 4: now with the USC and UCLA, any any thoughts that

568
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 4: that that was we were actually gonna go not go

569
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 4: by those rules, but play by that thinking went by

570
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 4: the wayside, because you know, one ad told me, like, look,

571
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 4: once you're on a plane, you're on a plane.

572
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 2: You know, it's not it's not the old days.

573
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 4: Of the Southwest Conference where you drive to every game

574
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 4: or anything like that.

575
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 2: And that's why I joke before, and I say this.

576
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 4: One thousand percent as a compliment. The MAC is like

577
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 4: a cockroach when the world is the only thing that

578
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 4: will remain will be cockroaches in the MAC Conference because

579
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 4: the MAC is.

580
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 2: So tightly together.

581
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 4: And again, similar to the Big Twelve, nobody really wants

582
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 4: the schools from the MAC. And again that's not I'm

583
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 4: not being derogatory. That's just because of geography and other factors.

584
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 4: And so they're secure where they're at and what they're doing.

585
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 4: They're also not making as much money as the SEC

586
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 4: or the Big Tent, so there is a trade off.

587
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 4: But back to your original question, if they can add

588
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 4: schools that bring value to their conference, they'll add any

589
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 4: school they can. I'm just waiting for, you know, for Beijing.

590
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 2: State and you know, China Tech.

591
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 4: To join one of these conferences when they bring in

592
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 4: billions of eyeballs and more revenue.

593
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 3: Is there anything new with Notre Dame.

594
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 4: I think as long as they have access to the playoffs,

595
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 4: which a lot of people thought, oh they're not getting

596
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 4: a first round by they're going to leave. I thought

597
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 4: exactly the oppostion. No, this is perfect for them. They

598
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 4: don't have to play a thirteenth game. They have twelve games.

599
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 4: If they finish in the in the top top twelve,

600
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 4: they'll be in a they'll be in the playoffs. They'll

601
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 4: get a probably nine times out of ten if they're

602
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 4: in that situation, they'll be hosting a first round game.

603
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 2: And so then if you.

604
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 4: Win that, you win that game, then you're into the

605
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 4: final eight. So your thirteenth game is not a conference championship,

606
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 4: it's a playoff game that puts you in the in

607
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 4: the quarterfinals. As long as they have the best of

608
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 4: both worlds, which they do now with the ACC.

609
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 2: With you know, Bowl tie ends.

610
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 4: Home homes for their non football sports, I think they're fine.

611
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 4: Obviously a big thing they could happened, and I referenced

612
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 4: Florida State earlier, is I think, you know, again, this

613
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 4: is not an if but a win. Whenever somebody in

614
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 4: the ACC figures out a way to either climb over

615
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 4: the wall or dig under that wall and get out

616
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 4: of the granted rights before the next twelve years get here,

617
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 4: that's going to be the next biggest merry go round

618
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 4: with conference expansion, because then you're going to see the

619
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 4: SEC and the Big Ten go after the likes of

620
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 4: Florida State, Clemson, North Carolina, Miami. You know, you know

621
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 4: who the suspects are there. And then what happens you

622
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 4: asked me about, then what happens in Notre Dame. Does

623
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 4: Notre Dame want to stay with an acc that if,

624
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 4: for instance, they lost anywhere from four to eight teams,

625
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 4: four to six teams, whatever the number is, maybe then

626
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 4: at that point Notre Dame's like, Eh, you know what,

627
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,479
Speaker 4: I think we're better off joining a conference. And at

628
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 4: that point I could see it, but d that happens,

629
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 4: I don't. I don't think Notre Dame's gonna do anything.

630
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 4: They have no reason to. The money is not the

631
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 4: same as the is the conferences, but it's very similar.

632
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 2: But they get it.

633
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 4: They get to call their own shots, they get to

634
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 4: schedule their games however they want. They don't have to

635
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 4: listen to anybody, and they do take a great deal

636
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 4: of pride in being an independent and people that have

637
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 4: no affiliation to Notre Dame can't understand that and feel like, oh,

638
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 4: they you need to get in a conference.

639
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 2: But if you know anything about Notre Dame.

640
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 4: That's a that's a big deal of pride for them,

641
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 4: and so I think they'll hold on to that as

642
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 4: long as financially it makes sense and as long as.

643
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 2: They have a path the playoff.

644
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 4: Like that's why you'll never see the SEC vote for

645
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 4: only conference uh, only conference champions, for only conference teams

646
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 4: getting into the playoff, because that would force Notre Dame

647
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 4: to a conference. In theory, to note to the Big Ten,

648
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 4: the last thing the SEC wants to do is help

649
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 4: out the Big Ten in any.

650
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 3: Way, right, And I bring up Notre Dame because I've

651
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 3: half jokingly suggested that Oregon in Washington, and I don't

652
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 3: know if it's only Oregon in Washington or other schools

653
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 3: like Stanford and Call or whoever sort of zag as

654
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Speaker 3: everybody's bundling to sort of unbundle and to pull a

655
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 3: Notre Dame, to pull a BYU and have like a

656
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 3: micro conference. And I don't know what Oregon and Washington's

657
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 3: rights are within their PAC twelve deal to go out

658
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 3: and look for a deal themselves. But is there a

659
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 3: universe in which Oregon and Washington could say, look, I know,

660
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 3: Fox or ESPN or Amazon or Apple. I know you

661
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 3: guys are not interested in playing premium dollars because there's

662
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 3: just not interest in this bundle of ten schools in

663
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Speaker 3: the way that there is for other conferences. But if

664
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Speaker 3: you're interested, we will barnstorm Oregon and Washington will barnstorm

665
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 3: and play three or four PAC twelve teams, three or

666
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 3: four ACC teams, three or four Big ten teams and

667
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 3: fill out their their schedule that way. Is there a

668
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 3: world in which those schools either have or could explore

669
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Speaker 3: that possibility.

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Speaker 2: You know, I think they could.

671
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Speaker 4: I think that would kind of be kind of a

672
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 4: last resort that you'd want to do that, because still, ultimately,

673
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 4: even if you did that, whatever you would get, an

674
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 4: offer to the Big Ten would be worth more. Of course,

675
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 4: after you're just doing that because you don't, Yeah, if

676
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 4: you just don't, if you just want to do that

677
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 4: because you don't you don't feel like the PAC twelve

678
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 4: offer was what you expected, And basically they're saying, well,

679
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 4: you signed the deal or you're out of the conference.

680
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

681
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 4: I could see that as a short term solution. Obviously,

682
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 4: they wouldn't be able to pair up with Notre Dame

683
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 4: because then Notre Dame is going to be taking less money,

684
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 4: and they'd be like, why are why are we going

685
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 4: to help you guys out.

686
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Speaker 2: I think the biggest challenge for that.

687
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Speaker 4: Would be if they do do it with all of

688
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 4: the conference's power conferences going to nine conference games, and

689
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Speaker 4: believe me, the PAC twelve would have some kind of

690
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,879
Speaker 4: language that you cannot play any games against former PAC

691
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 4: twelve members that would be in the new granted rights.

692
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 4: They would struggle to find games, at least home games

693
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Speaker 4: because you know, you're not going to find a lot

694
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Speaker 4: of Power five schools that are going to play on

695
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 4: the road.

696
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 2: So do if you do that?

697
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, you can do that, but what's your fan base

698
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 4: kind of think? If you know, kind of the challenge

699
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 4: that b YU had twelve.

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00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 2: When four four six or four seven of.

701
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 4: Your of your home games or five or seven of

702
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 4: your home games or against a group of five schools.

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Speaker 1: Well, Brett, I was going to ask you if you

704
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Speaker 1: would at all bet on more conference re alignment. But

705
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Speaker 1: I think I already know the answer to that. So

706
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Speaker 1: why don't we Why don't we close with this minus

707
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Speaker 1: a thousand, minus a thousand? Yeah, what is the timing

708
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,280
Speaker 1: of the next shoot to drop? Here? The next few weeks,

709
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,479
Speaker 1: the next few months, Where where does the story go next?

710
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 4: I think the next thing that kind of everybody in

711
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 4: the industry, as you as you referenced earlier, is kind

712
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 4: of waiting to see is what what is the PAC

713
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 4: twelve meteorites deal going to look like?

714
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 2: And a lot of.

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00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,919
Speaker 4: The folks that cover the PAC twelve seem to think

716
00:35:55,960 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 4: that we will get some kind of answer, uh by

717
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,800
Speaker 4: either earlier mid March, So I would say, at the latest,

718
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,280
Speaker 4: by the first of April, something would have to happen,

719
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 4: not have to happen, but something along the lines with

720
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 4: the PAC twelve would happen.

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Speaker 2: And then from that point, depending on.

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Speaker 4: What those numbers are, if it's if the off cop

723
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Speaker 4: was able to call together a great deal for his schools,

724
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Speaker 4: then I would expect them to sign it for a

725
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 4: few years.

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Speaker 2: And then just the next.

727
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 4: Thing to be would be to see when the Big

728
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:36,399
Speaker 4: ten ultimately goes after or can get again, not really

729
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 4: go after, but get the finances required.

730
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 2: To add more. Pack twelve schools would be.

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Speaker 4: The next domino, and then then if that happened, then

732
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Speaker 4: all hell breaks loose.

733
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Speaker 1: Wow, well, look it'll be an interesting next couple of weeks.

734
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Speaker 1: Maybe we'll dial you back up to get a further

735
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: update as details become available. I know you're doing this

736
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,800
Speaker 1: interview from behind the garage, so we appreciate your willingness

737
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: to hop on with us here and give us the

738
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: lowdown and all things Pack twelve.

739
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, I gotta stay under cover. I gotta stay on

740
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 4: the move. All these folks are out to get me,

741
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 4: so I've got to stay in hiding. So thanks for

742
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 4: not revealing the garage.

743
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: Of course. No, no, no no.

744
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 4: Next time I'll do it from a more secure location

745
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 4: and people can actually see my ugly face so they

746
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 4: can throw tomatoes at the screen or something. But I

747
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 4: appreciate you guys having me on.

748
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 3: I was hoping you were stalking somebody getting their car fixed,

749
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 3: Like the Washington State President is at the mechanics, and

750
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 3: you're just like, oh, well, here I am a couple questions.

751
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 4: The Washington State President is in Tampa. I can confirm

752
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 4: that he's trying to get us. He's trying to get

753
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,280
Speaker 4: Uss to join the PAC twelve.

754
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 2: Sure.

755
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 3: Sure, he's bringing a basket full of Cuban sandwiches. That's

756
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:49,240
Speaker 3: how everybody sells things.

757
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: Great, Brett McMurphy Action Network, Thank you so much for

758
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: your time. Been a long time. We'll have to do

759
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:55,359
Speaker 1: this again soon.

760
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 2: I enjoyed it, guys, anytime, all right.

761
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, Brett McMurphy Action Network gave us so much of

762
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: his time. We appreciate his willingness to come on and

763
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 1: give us the lowdown on all things packed off. How

764
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,240
Speaker 1: did that make you feel as a Pack twelve guard? Oh?

765
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 3: Bummed and stressed? Yeah, not even like I I have

766
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 3: the understanding or impression. Nothing to do with Bratt. It's

767
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 3: just my own feeling, and I'm generally wrong, So take

768
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 3: it to the bank. I think long term, Oregon and

769
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 3: Washington will somehow be fine, because it just seems they're

770
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 3: too big not to be attractive to somebody at some point.

771
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 3: But that's all relative, because fine also means I love

772
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 3: the Pac ten Pack twelve, and I love West Coast football,

773
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 3: and I love the association and the scar tissue and

774
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 3: the victory that all these these schools feel when they

775
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 3: beat each other or lose to each other whatever, and

776
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 3: the fans feel phil I just you know, it's it's

777
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,760
Speaker 3: a bummer and a stressor because we associate no matter

778
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 3: what conference your team is in. We associate our fandom

779
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 3: with those matchups and the love if you're an Oregon

780
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 3: State fan of demolishing Oregon, and if you're a Calfan

781
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 3: demolishing USC, or if you're an Arizona fan, you know,

782
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 3: having some ranked team or some you know, hot shot

783
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 3: in the conference come to Tucson in the middle of

784
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 3: the night and just ending their evenings in seasons with sadness.

785
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 3: And so everybody feels that, whether you're you know, a

786
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 3: fan of a team in the MAC or the SEC

787
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,760
Speaker 3: or the American whatever, you have these associations and scar tissues.

788
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 3: So for me growing up in southern California, I've always

789
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 3: just had that for the PAC twelve and the matchups

790
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 3: within the PAC twelve, and everything changes, everything evolves. We

791
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 3: know this, but you know, hearing the realities of everything

792
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 3: and the struggles right now within the conference, like it's

793
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 3: just a bummer. It's just sad to me that USC

794
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 3: and UCLA are not going to be playing all of

795
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 3: these teams. And you know, whatever the future holds for

796
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 3: Oregon and Washington, they probably won't be playing all of

797
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 3: these teams, not in the same way. They certainly won't

798
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 3: be playing USC and UCLA, which has its own You know,

799
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 3: my first Orgon game was a home game at Addson

800
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,399
Speaker 3: against USC, and I have a ton of friends who

801
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,800
Speaker 3: are USC fans, so it's always been fun these Oregon

802
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 3: USC matchups. So no, it's it's a bummer for me personally,

803
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 3: and it's going to be It's going to provide tremendous

804
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 3: content for us as a show with all of these changes.

805
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 3: So I'm happy about that on a certain level. But uh, weird, nonetheless,

806
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 3: time weird.

807
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 1: It's it's weird to come out of that conversation with

808
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: this sense of inevitability. Yeah, you know, because we're all,

809
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,800
Speaker 1: I think accustomed, those of us who follow college football

810
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 1: day in and day out. We're accustomed to these conversations happening, right,

811
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: We're accustomed to reading the articles and the Twitter posts

812
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 1: and the predictions of doom and gloom whatever that means.

813
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: But Brett is connected, Brett knows what he's talking about

814
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:51,240
Speaker 1: in the space, and oh yeah, it feels like more

815
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 1: of when not if, Like I sort of knew that.

816
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 1: I think we all kind of felt it given the

817
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 1: way that college football's gone. Sure, but when not if

818
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 1: is is a different place to be as a college

819
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: football fan. Like you said, in a sense, there's a

820
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: ton of content that comes along with potential major tectonic

821
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 1: conference realignment. I'm not necessarily looking that gift tors in

822
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: the mouth, but it is kind of a bummer. It's

823
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: kind of a huge bummer because if money is driving

824
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 1: this whole thing, there is an element of charm that

825
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 1: I think is lost.

826
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, tradition is dead. Tradition any time you point

827
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 3: to anything as a reason for something happening with the

828
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 3: sport being like, well, that's just you know, the tradition,

829
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 3: like all, even Notre Dame is not an independent team.

830
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 3: They just sign deals with conferences, not you know, they

831
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 3: don't become members full time members of conferences, whether it

832
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 3: was the old Big East and now the ACC and

833
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 3: so tradition is dead, and it's a bummer because that

834
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 3: a lot of it is, you know, a lot of

835
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 3: the traditions of the sport are why we were first

836
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 3: attracted to the sport. Like it would be weird for

837
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,320
Speaker 3: you as a I won't say Penn State but a

838
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,720
Speaker 3: pseudo Penn State fan. You're a Notre Dame guy first,

839
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 3: Like if all of a sudden, Penn State got a

840
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 3: sweetheart deal from the ACC to be Kings of the

841
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 3: ACC and playing NC State and Wake Forest and stuff

842
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 3: like that. Be like, well, but I have Penn State

843
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,760
Speaker 3: Michigan thoughts and Penn State Michigan state thoughts, and Ohio

844
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 3: State Penn State thoughts in India, like you have like

845
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 3: the scar tissue as a Penn State fan of like

846
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 3: all those Iowa games. You're just like, now, we got

847
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,720
Speaker 3: to beat Virginia Tech. Okay, So it's it's just odd.

848
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 3: It's just odd, and you're just gonna take some getting

849
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 3: used to.

850
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: I would be curious to hear from the people listening

851
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: to this show, whether you are in our verball or

852
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 1: discord at verballers dot com, whether you just prefer email

853
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 1: or plain old fashioned social media reach out, you know,

854
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: send us a tweet at solid Verbal, send us a

855
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 1: message on Instagram, wherever you can find us. We are

856
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 1: pretty much everywhere. Wait and let us know your thoughts

857
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Speaker 1: on the conversation that.

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Speaker 3: You just heard again tie cell phone number six one

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Speaker 3: oh two, six eight. I'll stop there, Okay, lots of

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Speaker 3: just for sure. Yeah, oh great, you have a family

861
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Speaker 3: expansion crumb or two for the people.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like you tossed a bit of

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Speaker 1: a red herring when you said that, ty I you.

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Speaker 3: You revealed a good amount on the on the Q

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Speaker 3: and A show so well.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we have to save a little bit of

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Speaker 1: that for the page subscribers of verballers dot com. But

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Speaker 1: I I am happy to report that I would say

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Speaker 1: within the next six months or so, there will be

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Speaker 1: a new pup added added to the added to the family.

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Speaker 1: Here we've already got the solid pup. There will be

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Speaker 1: solid Pup part part duh, a two bitch family. That's right,

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Speaker 1: that's right, you said it, not me.

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Speaker 3: The first bitch is the current doc, right, that's correct,

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Speaker 3: and the second one will be the future let's Clara.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate that, so we'll respect the solid wife, Kate.

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Speaker 1: There will be a fair amount of soundproofing Google searches

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Speaker 1: that take place, as you know, are our current solid pup.

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Speaker 2: She is.

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Speaker 1: Timely with her barks whenever we talk about conference real

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Speaker 1: and I got her out of the house today. That's

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Speaker 1: the only reason she wasn't howling. But when she hears

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Speaker 1: something she doesn't like, she tends to be part of

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Speaker 1: the broadcasts. I can only imagine how that's going to

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Speaker 1: go down with you know, as you said, now being

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Speaker 1: a two bitch household. Yeah, so we're going to tb Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's right. We're gonna have to see anyways to mitigate that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it was. It was also by the way,

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Speaker 3: and it's one of the the the privileges, one of

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Speaker 3: the perks bonuses of doing a show like this when

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Speaker 3: we hit stop with Brett Boy and you can you

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Speaker 3: can put some jade Hoy Bossanovo over this tie. When

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Speaker 3: when Brett got frank with us and told us and

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Speaker 3: he I'm like, honestly he was. He was pretty straightforward

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Speaker 3: when he said, so that's always fun.

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Speaker 1: Well, look, we appreciate brattsie's been a long time. We'll

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Speaker 1: invite him back as more news becomes available. We very

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Speaker 1: Dan and I still got that one cooking up in

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Speaker 1: the lab, but certainly more to come on this front,

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Speaker 1: and as news becomes available on the PAC twelve rights

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Speaker 1: or who knows what goes down with conferences from this

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Speaker 1: point forward, we'll do our best to keep tabs on

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Speaker 1: it here. Dan, enjoy the rest of your day, all right.

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Speaker 3: Hey, you as well raining cats and dogs there.

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Speaker 1: I'll do my best for that guy over there in

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Speaker 1: rainy Chicago, Illinois, Dan Rubenstein for myself, tell I held

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Speaker 1: the brand. Thanks for downloading, for listening, for supporting the show.

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Speaker 1: We will talk to y' also and stay solid on peace.