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Speaker 1: In the Lab, a Texans podcast that takes a different

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Speaker 1: look at things. Drew Doherty and John Harris have their

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Speaker 1: lab coats and goggles on and the Bunsen burners burning.

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Speaker 2: Here's Drew, Hello John, and hello you welcome to In

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Speaker 2: the Lab presented by Exfinity. Drew Doherty here inside an

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Speaker 2: Argie Stadium. John, the Texans got a big one this

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Speaker 2: Sunday night. They're all big ones. But when you're playing

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Speaker 2: on Sunday night football, when it's battle red Day, when

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Speaker 2: you're playing one of the hottest teams in the NFL,

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Speaker 2: right now, huge Now. Last time out, it was ugly,

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Speaker 2: just things right here, it was ugly. But I have

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Speaker 2: a sense of calm about this upcoming matchup. That sense

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Speaker 2: of calm comes from knowledge of history, and I know

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Speaker 2: every team's different and this is a new team. But

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Speaker 2: this happened last year. The Texans went up to New York,

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Speaker 2: got blasted, but then rebounded and did okay after that.

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Speaker 2: I kind of have the same sense. I think that

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Speaker 2: some of the past protection issues are going to be

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Speaker 2: ameliorated to a degree. I don't think it's gonna be

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Speaker 2: like that. I kind of get the sense that the

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Speaker 2: big fellow number twelve will.

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Speaker 3: Be back in the fold. I don't know anything.

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Speaker 2: I'm just guessing this as of early Wednesday morning, before

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Speaker 2: we've seen any practice reports. But I just got a

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Speaker 2: good sense of calm about Sunday night football?

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Speaker 3: Am I wrong?

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Speaker 1: John?

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Speaker 3: Should I not be this calm or should I be panicking?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 5: No, I think there's definitely some in between there.

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Speaker 4: I know you're not saying that you're calm like eh,

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Speaker 4: I was good.

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Speaker 5: All as well?

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, you're not saying that we don't have the

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Speaker 2: eighty five Bears here, But you know, I think this

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Speaker 2: team is good.

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Speaker 5: No.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's funny because the one thing that everybody

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Speaker 4: brings up when you talk about the eighty five Bears,

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Speaker 4: and I'll tie these conversations together, talk about that defense.

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Speaker 5: And the defense was tremendous.

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Speaker 3: This is a good offense too.

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Speaker 5: They had a stud offensive line.

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Speaker 4: They were incredible, Keith Van Horne, Jimbo Kover, they were

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Speaker 4: really really good on the offensive line.

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Speaker 3: With the greatest running back ever, Walter Paid.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely.

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Speaker 4: So from that standpoint, it's you know, that's and and

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Speaker 4: that's the discussion point. Are we're going to feel calm

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Speaker 4: when CJ. Goes back to pass on Sunday night. That

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Speaker 4: has got it's got to change. And my my worry

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Speaker 4: and I and I said this to Mark the other

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Speaker 4: day against the Vikings and the Packers, those two teams

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Speaker 4: got to cej by some magic. They used, their schemes,

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Speaker 4: they used, they used different kinds of sim pressures, They

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Speaker 4: did a lot of things that aren't normally seen from

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Speaker 4: an NFL defense. There was more college It was almost

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Speaker 4: more a college defense. You're seeing more of those concepts

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Speaker 4: kind of filter up, but you just don't see it

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Speaker 4: that much. And then you combine some pretty athletic fronts

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Speaker 4: but it was it was a it was a problem.

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Speaker 5: Well worries me a little bit.

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Speaker 4: The other night against the Jets was that was just

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Speaker 4: kind of one on one we beat you. Now, there

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Speaker 4: were some twists and some stunts that they ran. But

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Speaker 4: will McDonald, Hassan Reddick, Cornyn Williams, Solomon Thomas, Michael Clements.

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Speaker 4: That's as good a pass rush, just pure one on

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Speaker 4: one pass rush as you're gonna find. And it's really

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Speaker 4: good on the interior. Now, for as good as the.

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Speaker 5: Lions are up front, they don't have quite that now they.

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Speaker 2: Did add I was gonna say, let's let's compare this

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Speaker 2: front that the Texans are gonna go against with what

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Speaker 3: Because we got our old pal DJ reader up there.

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Speaker 2: He's getting about fifty percent of this looking at his snapcounts.

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Speaker 3: Roughly.

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Speaker 2: They just added Zadarius Smith. He's an edge rusher. But

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Speaker 2: what do you think about it? They don't have Aden Hutchinson.

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Speaker 2: This is a different This is still an excellent, excellent

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Speaker 2: You know, you don't get to seven to one if

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Speaker 4: I think this line is a little bit more like

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Speaker 5: Really, really good.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought their stud was Rashan Gary. I thought

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Speaker 4: I think they're more like that. Because you have a

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Speaker 4: Lee McNeil DJ Reader. It's gonna be really hard to

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Speaker 4: You know, Zaria is a great game last year in December,

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Speaker 4: but then in the playoff game he really got shut down.

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Speaker 4: So I'm curious to see how we go about this

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Speaker 4: probably I think it's a little bit better than the Packers,

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Speaker 4: because I think the Jets, everyone across the front can

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Speaker 4: beat you one on one. Quentin Williams could take over

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Speaker 4: a game. Now I think, Lilily McNeil, did you reader

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Speaker 4: are good? I don't think it'd take over a game.

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Speaker 4: Quinnin took over the game the other night, But then

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Speaker 4: you had Reddick combined with will McDonald and you sitting

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Speaker 4: six if Reddick had showed up on time, and they

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Speaker 4: so I think a lot of people are gonna I

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Speaker 4: in the year and go, dang, that's actually it was

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Speaker 4: frustrating at the time. And it was frustrating because you

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Speaker 4: didn't play well. It was frustrating because you missed two

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Speaker 4: two incredible catches that probably aren't made by anybody in

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Speaker 3: Again, so yeah, he said hold on there, hold on there,

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Speaker 3: hold hold on. One second. When the air Jordan catch

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Speaker 2: I was like, that's a touchdown. That's I had no

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Speaker 2: doubt it was going to get overturned. That's a touchdown.

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Speaker 3: But that other one, that was a remarkable.

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Speaker 2: Catch and run, I mean, and it got swallowed up

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Speaker 4: I mean, you end up losing by you end up

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the Jets eleven.

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Speaker 4: And so look, I also think there was a level

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Speaker 4: you could see it on everybody's face. I mean, to

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Speaker 4: and you know, I think that's kind of why they

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Speaker 4: clear about that. They miss him, so areas will help,

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Speaker 4: there's no question. But in all honesty to that end,

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Speaker 4: I don't want to I'm not minimizing or poopooling the

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Speaker 4: Detroit Lions front. This is about our front. This is

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Speaker 4: be on Sunday night, that have got to start taking

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Speaker 5: Stroud no matter what.

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Speaker 4: And they were just getting one on one beat the

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Speaker 5: It's a second round pick you traded up for to

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Speaker 4: It's a guard that you brought in and then paid

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Speaker 4: right tackle that you gave a lot of money to

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Speaker 4: as a former first rounder. You put a lot of

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Speaker 1: It doesn't.

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Speaker 4: And we can talk about scheme this and all that. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: and it was thirty three pressures and that shouldn't happen.

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Speaker 4: I don't care how good the Jets offensive line happens

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Speaker 5: Now here's the thought.

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Speaker 4: Okay, well maybe it's just not a good pass protecting

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Speaker 5: So how do we change it? Do we move the pocket?

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Speaker 4: Do we keep run keepers and boots? Do we slide

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Speaker 4: can we take advantage of that's quicker. And the thing

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Speaker 4: is drew. When I went back and I watched the game,

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Speaker 4: I know people were like, well, it's not all about

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Speaker 4: pass protection. Well, there were at least five plays that

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Speaker 4: at least five where CJ's got pressure so fast that

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Speaker 4: it negates a significant game at a key time.

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Speaker 5: A number of times that plays.

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Speaker 4: That CJ has hit in the past, plays that CJ

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Speaker 4: because he's got such a quick release.

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Speaker 5: He can zip the sale.

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Speaker 4: Route to Dalton on the sideline, he can hit the

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Speaker 4: circle route to Joe Mixon that was open. You know,

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Speaker 4: he could hit the dig route to X, who's made

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Speaker 5: X can't get open because all they're looking at other targets.

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Speaker 4: But if you watch the film, X was open, but

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Speaker 4: the rush is there so fast, and so he doesn't

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Speaker 4: and you know, unclear when you face the Vikings and

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Speaker 4: But the other night, it was just it was whip city,

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Speaker 4: and that's got to be better this week. And as

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Speaker 4: simple as that, and he could do that Sunday night.

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Speaker 2: If he has the time, Let's give him some time.

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Speaker 2: Let's give him some time. And let's move now to

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Speaker 2: our cream of the crop.

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Speaker 5: The cream of the crop.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Randy much a man savage. So we had

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Speaker 2: I had Tank Dell. Tank Dell caught a touchdown pass. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I chose him as my sleeper and something else last week.

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Speaker 2: but Deniko looks like he's settling in just nicely. Got

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Speaker 2: give me, give me the Deniko Autry is Mike Cream

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Speaker 2: When the Texans made it this offseason because he used

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Speaker 2: I don't have the right numbers, but he got he

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Speaker 2: me go with Denko. Who is your cream of the

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Speaker 3: Gonna be John?

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Speaker 4: Well, there's one guy I want to pick, but I'm

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Speaker 4: I just think I think this team needs its compass back,

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Speaker 2: He's a very quiet omission. In the last few weeks,

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Speaker 6: You know, and the guys behind him always yeah and

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Speaker 4: But I'm not sure of his availability. I'm not sure

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Speaker 4: think there are a couple of things. Dannil has faced

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Speaker 4: this offensive line before. Now that also means they've faced

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Speaker 4: So Taylor Decker and Pinney Sewell know Dannil Hunter a

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Speaker 4: as much as the run game has been great, it

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Speaker 5: Important for Detroit.

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Speaker 4: To have that passing game as efficient as it is.

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Speaker 4: Jared Goss's not throwing interceptions, Jared Goss's not throwing incompletions,

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Speaker 4: He's not taking bad sacks. He's not making bad decisions,

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Speaker 4: have to significantly significantly impact that game. So the lines

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Speaker 4: Goth doesn't have one two three drop throw one two

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Speaker 4: Oh sack, it's got you gotta shake him up in

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Speaker 5: Where I mean, I almost made this.

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Speaker 4: I thought about this, Drew thought about making the Creamy

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Speaker 4: of the Cropper the Texans second half offense, because the

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Speaker 5: Offense has got to start putting points up on the board.

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Speaker 2: It John, it's essentially I'm gonna be off by maybe

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Speaker 2: one or two here, give or take eight field goals

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Speaker 3: You need more than that.

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Speaker 2: You need more than that, absolutely, And a good chunk

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Speaker 2: these in wins and losses. I'm saying, so, yeah, you

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Speaker 3: I don't know what's happened there.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what that's all about, but you must

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Speaker 3: I like your Cream of the Cropper.

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Speaker 2: I think it's uh, it's a good one because it

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Speaker 2: kind of dovetails nicely with mine.

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Speaker 3: It's two dudes that are dudes on the defensive line.

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Speaker 2: You sign them for this reason because you want to

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Speaker 2: come out and get after the quarterback. You want to

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Speaker 2: you want to swarm on defense and they're each one

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Speaker 2: man swarms at times. So I like it, man, I

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Speaker 2: like it, and I like you John, I like Drew. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's a it's a good thing. We'll be back after

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Speaker 2: it next week, same time and place. But Sunday Night

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Speaker 2: football Battle Red. I can't wait.

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Speaker 5: Don't wear this. Don't you see this color?

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Speaker 4: Don't wear this because this is really close to Honolulu

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Speaker 4: Blue and I didn't realize that before we started this.

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Speaker 5: Don't don't wear this collar on Sunday night. Red.

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Speaker 2: Good, We're red. We're red, just like that. And it's

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Speaker 2: you know, it's the first time we'll see those helmets too.

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Speaker 2: That's gonna be fun.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, the very first helmet that will ever wear

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Speaker 4: without the bullhead logo featured on the sides that one.

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Speaker 3: Well, second time because remember we the H helmets.

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Speaker 4: Oh that's right, Yeah, yeah, you're right, second time, first time,

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Speaker 4: second time, the same thing.

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Speaker 2: This is the fourth helmet that will be worn in

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Speaker 3: Because you had the Blue ones forever.

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Speaker 2: A couple of years ago, you introduced the battle Red

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Speaker 2: and then you have the H one and now you

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Speaker 3: One with the horns. It's gonna look cool, all.

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Speaker 2: Right, my man, good to talk with you. This has

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Speaker 2: been in the Lab, presented by Infinity. I'm Drew, he's John,

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Speaker 2: and you're you and we wouldn't be able to do

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Speaker 2: this if you were not you, watching or listening.

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Speaker 3: Love you, Bye bye,