1 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:08,640 Speaker 1: All eyes on a New York courtroom as we wait 2 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: for sentencing. Don't worry, Harvey Weinstein's lawyers are back in 3 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: court arguing for an appeal bond so he can be 4 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 1: out of jail while he waits for his appeal to 5 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 1: be heard. That could be in a couple of years. 6 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:24,479 Speaker 1: And also the baby Evelett, This little tot has been 7 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 1: missing since December. What is this tot? Mom? Casey Anthony 8 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:46,199 Speaker 1: all over again? Crime stories with Nancy Grace Well against 9 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: all odds, Lady Justice one out. You know, it makes 10 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 1: it all worthwhile, all the investigation, all the witnesses and 11 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: their heartaches, and their ups and their downs, all the 12 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: legal wrangling. It's lie to two cats and a barrel 13 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: fighting it out. But finally, yesterday we learn the powerful 14 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: movie mogul Harvey Weinstein has been convicted. You see all 15 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:22,399 Speaker 1: sorts of interpretations in the media claiming it was a 16 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:26,320 Speaker 1: huge defeat for the state. That is not true. Who 17 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 1: would have ever thunk that regular women trying to make 18 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: a living going along to get along could bring down 19 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:41,400 Speaker 1: Harvey Weinstein. Many legal legals did not think it was possible, 20 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 1: but it happened. Take a listen to this what do 21 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 1: we have to do. I'm going to think ry suvera 22 00:01:52,360 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: and on the bar barrass and me. I'm sorry, I 23 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: don't know. Yes that I was kind of aggressive for 24 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 1: I need to know a person saying I would think. Please, 25 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 1: I swear I won't just sit with me. Don't embarrass 26 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:15,079 Speaker 1: me in the hotel. I'm here all the time. I'm fair. 27 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: Please sit there completely. In one minute, I have to 28 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 1: go to the bathroom. I don't want to do count behind, 29 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 1: don't want to go to the bath Listen to me, 30 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 1: I want to go there. I'm not going to do anything. 31 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: We will never see me again after this. If you 32 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 1: if you embarrass me in this hotel, I'm not embarrassing. 33 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: It's just that I don't I don't feel comfortable. I mean, 34 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: don't have to pay with me. Please, I'm not going 35 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: to do anything. I swear my children please come in 36 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:44,799 Speaker 1: on everything. I'm a famous guys being very comfortable coming now. 37 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: That just hurts me to hear it. What you were 38 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:51,799 Speaker 1: hearing is sound released by the New Yorker magazine. And 39 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 1: that was a wire. That's what wires sound like. You 40 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: can't always hear every word. I've listened to a million 41 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 1: secret recorded audio tapes. You can't always hear what they're saying, 42 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:08,799 Speaker 1: but I could hear enough. And as I recall, this 43 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 1: jury didn't even hear that this was an actress, Ambra 44 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 1: Batalana guitaras a twenty two year old Italian model who 45 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 1: had been hit on. That's ephanistic by Harvey Weinstein. And 46 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: you hear her going no, no, no, and he's saying, 47 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 1: don't embarrass me. He was embarrassing himself. I mean, see, Grace, 48 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 1: this is crime stories. You were hearing the truth as 49 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 1: it happened, and I don't think this jury even heard that. 50 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: They heard from other Weinstein victims. Joining me an all 51 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 1: star panel. Darrel Cohen, former prosecutor in Inner City Atlanta. 52 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: Now sadly he's gone to the dark side. Now he's 53 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 1: the defense lawyer joining me out of the Atlanta jurisdiction RightNow. 54 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: Psychoanalyst to the stars. She's usually dealing with the problems 55 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: on Rodeo Drive, but now it's getting real today with me. 56 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanalist, joining me from Beverly Hills, founder 57 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: director of the Cold Case Research Institute, my friend and 58 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: longtime colleague, crime Scene expert Cheryl McCollum. Charlot, I'm sure 59 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: you were cringing when you heard guitar as trying to 60 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 1: fend off Harvey Weinstey, But right now to investigate a 61 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: reporter with my number one favorite paper, The New York Post, 62 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:33,679 Speaker 1: Rebecca Rosenberg. Rebecca, when I hear guitar as going no, no, no, 63 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 1: it makes me sick when I heard before I get 64 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:40,840 Speaker 1: into the verdict, let me ask you something. Why did 65 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: Cyrus Vance, the elected district attorney, sit on his thumb. 66 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 1: Let's just think about that, with this thumb up his 67 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 1: rear end on all of these claims before he would 68 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: finally bring charges. I mean, he had this sound that 69 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: we just heard, did nothing. Yeah, came under a lot 70 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 1: of fire for that decision, and I think that had 71 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 1: a lot to do with why he ultimately brought the 72 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:11,039 Speaker 1: case later against Harvey Weinstein, which which he triumphed in yesterday. 73 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 1: But I think that you know, that was a misdemeanor, 74 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:19,719 Speaker 1: the charge involving her, and I think the office made 75 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: a decision. Oh well, whoa, whoa wait a minute, Rebecca Rosenberg. 76 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:25,840 Speaker 1: Now you know how I feel about you and the Post. 77 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: But Harvey Weinstein dragging this woman, touching her inappropriately and 78 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: saying he wants her to watch him take a shower. 79 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 1: I a masturbate in the shower. There's really no nice 80 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 1: way to say that, so I'll just put it out there. 81 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:45,239 Speaker 1: How can that just be a misdemeanor? This the woman 82 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: who's felony disgusting Ombra. That was not one of the 83 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 1: allegations that Ombra made. He groped her, He groped her breast, 84 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,840 Speaker 1: He tried to slip his hand under her skirt, and 85 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: then she called the police. So for her, that was 86 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: a misdemeanor. She was not part of the crist Okay, 87 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 1: you're right, You're right. I don't know. I know it's 88 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: viewed as this as a simple battery, like grabbing somebody 89 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: on the arm, But I don't know when it's your breast, 90 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 1: Daryl co would take off your defense at just one moment. 91 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:18,919 Speaker 1: Why can't that be a felony, a felony sexual touching. 92 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: I think in every jurisdiction, Nancy, it's a little bit different. 93 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:24,840 Speaker 1: In Georgia, it would be a felony. In Florida would 94 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 1: be a felony. You aren't write it would be. It's 95 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 1: not a felony because Cyrus Van says it's not a felony. Okay, 96 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 1: hold on, Why am I having to hear this from 97 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:36,239 Speaker 1: the New York Post instead of play being played in court? Again, 98 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 1: this was not one of the victims this jury heard about. 99 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: I'm going to get to the verdict. I got to 100 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 1: hear this, salasten and one minute as you want to 101 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:48,840 Speaker 1: leave when the guy comes from priest Please, I'm sorry, 102 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: Just come on, used today? Are you used to that? No? 103 00:06:53,680 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 1: But I'm not used today. Please, I don't want to 104 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: to this now you embarras call me again. But yes 105 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: there was. I mean, I will never do another thing 106 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: to you five minutes. I don't ruin your friendship with 107 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: me for five minutes. I know, but it's kind of 108 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: like it's so much for you. Okay, please, you're making 109 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: a big scene here, but I want to once again, 110 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: you were hearing an undercover sting with me an all 111 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: star panel right now, Daryl Cohen, doctor Bethany Marshall, Cheryl McCollum, 112 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: and Rebecca Rosenberg from the New York Post. Rebecca, I 113 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: want to fast forward from what we were just hearing. 114 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: And that was Ambro Gutrez who said that Weinstein inappropriately 115 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: sexually touched her against her will and made her watch 116 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 1: him take a shower. Hold that mental image, Rebecca. There 117 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: was one Gerard that when he saw the images of 118 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: Weinstein naked, actually clenched his teeth and looked up at 119 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: the ceiling like, Okay, I can't get that out of 120 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: my head. Ever. Tell me what you think was the 121 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: major factor that led to Harvey Weinstein's conviction. I think 122 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: that they had six women making accusations, even though three 123 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: of them were prior bad act witnesses. He wasn't charged 124 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: for them. But I think when you have six women 125 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 1: who come one after the other, who who to talk 126 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: about the same pattern, the same way that he would 127 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 1: sort of lure them in and abuse them, I think 128 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: it was just kind of overwhelming. Even though the three 129 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:52,839 Speaker 1: witnesses for which he was charged weren't you know that 130 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 1: there were some difficulties with them of one of the 131 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: cases was twenty seven years old. But I think it 132 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 1: was just overwhelming when you had six people saying, you know, 133 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: he did something similar to you know, to Cheryl McCollum, 134 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 1: director of the Cold Case Research Institute, Cheryl, you've been 135 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: to a lot of crime scenes, and you and I 136 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 1: were prosecuting cases when we didn't have DNA and a 137 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 1: rape case, we had to much like this case. Of course, 138 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: we didn't have Weinstein, who was a media mogul, a 139 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: multi millionaire. But what touched me the most about this case, 140 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: I think it's not only the suffering of the victims, 141 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:32,679 Speaker 1: but the fact that they had their problems, they had 142 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: their frailties, they had relationships with Weinstein, they pitched on projects, 143 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: They tried to trudge forward in life even after being 144 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: raped or being sex assaulted, and a lot of times 145 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:50,679 Speaker 1: juries hold that against the victims. The fact that they 146 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:54,559 Speaker 1: continued speaking to Weinstein. I mean, we got to drag 147 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 1: people into the real world where women go along to 148 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: get along because they think they don't have an alternative. Cheryl, Well, 149 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 1: not just that, Nancy, but let's get extremely real with people. 150 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:12,680 Speaker 1: And in this case, he selected his victims oftentimes because 151 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 1: they had a background, or he knew they were frail, 152 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: or had middle issues or drug issues or sexual backgrounds 153 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: that would cause them not to want to come forward. Okay, 154 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: hould on Cheryl mc column. Let's don't let the pot 155 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 1: call the kettle black here. I mean, Daryl Cohen, has 156 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: there ever been any case ever that's been put before 157 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: a jury. As I used to tell my gurrs, witnesses 158 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:43,559 Speaker 1: are not nuns and priests and virgins, all right, because 159 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:46,439 Speaker 1: if they were, they probably would not have been involved 160 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 1: in a felony in any way, even as a witness 161 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: to start with. So you have to take your victims 162 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 1: and your witnesses as you find them. To Rebecca Rosenberg, 163 00:10:57,080 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 1: investigative reporter from the New York Post, Rebecca, I read 164 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 1: the claims against him that are waiting for him out 165 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 1: in LA, and of course he went straight to the 166 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: hospital with chess pains last night. But what's waiting for him? 167 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 1: I understand that one of the women made her outcry, 168 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 1: which is when you tell someone else what has just happened. 169 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 1: She made multiple outcries, although she didn't call cops immediately. 170 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 1: One of the outcries was too a priest. They're going 171 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 1: to have a hard time cross examining a priest. But 172 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 1: what's he looking at in LA? And what do you 173 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 1: think is going to happen on sentencing date March eleven 174 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 1: in New York? I think that you know they're taking 175 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:42,559 Speaker 1: their cues from New York and as somebody else in 176 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 1: the panel said, it's changed. Jurors are willing to accept 177 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 1: witnesses who continued a relationship with their abuser, you know 178 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 1: things that before, I think sex crimes units wouldn't bring 179 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 1: the case because they felt that was too undermining to 180 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: the victim. So I think things have changed, and I 181 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:09,199 Speaker 1: think that he potentially, even though some of those that 182 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: might have similar issues, he could be convicted there as well. 183 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:22,319 Speaker 1: I think that's a real possibility. I just don't know. 184 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 1: There's a wide range. It's the talk count, it's between 185 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: five and twenty five years. The other counts could be 186 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 1: just probation and up to four years. So I just 187 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: don't I think it's anyone's best. All eyes on a 188 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 1: New York courtroom as we wait for sentencing, don't worry. 189 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 1: Harvey Weinstein's lawyers are back in court arguing for an 190 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 1: appeal bond so he can be out of jail while 191 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: he waits for his appeal to be heard. That could 192 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 1: be in a couple of years. And also they're going 193 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 1: to try to get him moved out of Rikers to 194 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:59,679 Speaker 1: a better prison. Not only that, I'm sure they're going 195 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 1: to find my ship for a knee trial immediately, which 196 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: will be denied. Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Jeff Cassidy 197 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 1: says this case is unlike anything he's ever seen. Toddler 198 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 1: Evelyn Boswell, missing more than two months, just reported missing 199 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 1: this week. New information released Friday says a babysitter last 200 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 1: saw Evelyn on December tenth. While the mother, Megan Boswell, 201 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: is working with investigators, Sheriff Cassidy says her story just 202 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: doesn't add up. You know, she is cooperating, but like 203 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:42,839 Speaker 1: I say, some of the information she's given us had 204 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 1: and been really accurate. Megan Bosswell was seen leaving juvenile 205 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 1: court Friday morning. News Channel Levin reached out for interview, 206 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: but she declined. The reason she was there has not 207 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 1: been released. As far as her assistance in the case, 208 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: the sheriff says it hasn't led to anything solid. Her 209 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: stories aren't leading up to stuff that we went out 210 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:07,319 Speaker 1: and checked on the video surveilance, I witness testimony, so 211 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of her information hadn't been 212 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 1: access Regardless of sheriff is determined to bring Evelyn home. 213 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: He is offering up to one thousand dollars of his 214 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: own money as a reward for her safe return. Where 215 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 1: is Baby Evelyn? That was News Channel twelve w JHL 216 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: reporter Kelly Grossfield. I understand that the Amber alert is 217 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 1: fairly new, but this little tot has been missing since December? 218 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 1: What is this tot? Mom? Casey Anthony all over again? 219 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 1: I mean, I see, Grace, this is crime Stories. Thank 220 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: you for being with us. Let's just kick it off 221 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 1: at the get go with the tipline eight hundred t B, 222 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: I find eight hundred TB I find or four two 223 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: three two seven nine seventy five hundred repeat four two 224 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 1: three two seven nine seventy five hundred. How can this 225 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: child be missing since December? But we're just getting an 226 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: Amber alert? I don't quite get it. With me, an 227 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: all star panel from the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation, Communications 228 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: director Josh Divine, Daryl Cohen, former prosecutor now defense attorney, 229 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: joining me out of Atlanta. Doctor Bethany Marshall, psycho analyst 230 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 1: to the stars, joining me from of course, Beverly Hills. 231 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: She's probably in a changing room in Sachs right now. 232 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall dot com with me, the founder and 233 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: director of the Cold Case Research Institute, Cheryl McCullum and 234 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 1: Ray Computo, lead news anchor for Orlando's Morning News ninety 235 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 1: six point five w DBO. This is bad every way 236 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: you look at it. First of all, to Josh Josh 237 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 1: is at divine or divine, thank you for being with us. 238 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 1: From the TBI, I don't quite understand. The baby's been 239 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 1: gone since December and I'm just getting an Amber alert. 240 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: Let's just start. How did the baby, Evelyn May Boswell, 241 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 1: just fifteen months old, disappear? Because you know, I was 242 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: working what one, two, three jobs when my children were 243 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 1: fifteen months old, but either I was with them, my 244 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 1: husband was with them, my parents were with them, or 245 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 1: two babysitters were with them, one babysitter to watch the 246 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 1: other babysitter watch the babies. Okay, so how does the 247 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: baby just go missing? Well, that is a million dollar question, 248 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: and that's what we're working to determine right now alongside 249 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: both the FBI and the Sullivan County Sheriff's Office. They're 250 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 1: serving as the lead agency this information. Where is Sullivan 251 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: County Whereas Sullivan County is in Upper East Tennessee, so Bristol, Tennessee. 252 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 1: So kind of in that corner near Virginia, yep. And 253 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 1: so the information came to us about a week ago. 254 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: Now is when we really started having conversation. And that's 255 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:07,159 Speaker 1: when the local agency actually heard from the Department of 256 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 1: Children's Services here in the state of Tennessee after getting 257 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: a phone call from family members that they hadn't seen 258 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 1: this baby in about two months time. Okay, Tbi Josh 259 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:24,879 Speaker 1: Divine telling me family called. Okay, would that be Ray Kaputo, 260 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: lead anchor Orlando Morning News. Would that be Mommy? Is 261 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: that the family? Because I noticed Divine didn't say Mommy 262 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 1: called called. It was the grandfather. Actually, it was the 263 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 1: mommy's dad, Tommy Boswell, and he was the one that 264 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: called DC up. Now he says that he didn't see 265 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: Evelyn since Thanksgiving, and when they went to investigate and 266 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:50,360 Speaker 1: talked to Evelyn's mom, Maggie, Tommy's daughter, she really didn't 267 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 1: give him a straight story. Nancy, And I heard your 268 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: reference in Casey Anthony, because when I started reading into 269 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 1: this story, that's all I could think about. There's so 270 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 1: many parallels between what I saw here Orlando years ago 271 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 1: and what did you just say Thanksgiving? Because I had 272 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 1: her missing in December. But you're telling me Grandpa, notice 273 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 1: she was gone back at Thanksgiving. Grandpa can see her 274 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:14,879 Speaker 1: since Thanksgiving? So there were weeks, you know, where the 275 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:17,439 Speaker 1: child was apparently being seen by other people. But it 276 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:21,879 Speaker 1: was December tenth or eleven that investigators right, right, right, 277 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 1: Wait a minute, I've got to understand something. This is 278 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: important to me. Did he see the baby on Thanksgiving? 279 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:31,360 Speaker 1: Was the baby at Thanksgiving? That's what he inferred by 280 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 1: saying that he hadn't seen her since Thanksgiving? So yes, 281 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: that's what I believe. We saw her on Thanksgiving? Okay? 282 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 1: Is that right, Josh? Divine she was alive and well 283 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 1: at Thanksgiving? How often was she spotted between Thanksgiving and 284 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 1: the date we think she went missing into sin we're 285 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 1: trying to understand that timeline right now, Nancy. The information 286 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 1: that we've provided is that she was reportedly last seen 287 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 1: December twenty six, so we're trying to piece together all 288 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:00,159 Speaker 1: of those details. The problem is we're getting a lot 289 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 1: of inconsistent information from those closest to this child. Man 290 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 1: talk about a euphemism, inconsistent information. Cheryl McCollum, you've been 291 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: around the block a couple of times. I mean that 292 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: in a good way. Inconsistent information that means somebody's lying. 293 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 1: That's what that means. Break it down, Chrys. Soon as 294 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 1: you got mama lions about a missing baby, you're concerned 295 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 1: is that the baby is no longer Okay? I think 296 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 1: the best scenario here is the baby have been illegally adopted. 297 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: Worth case scenario, the baby has been killed, So they 298 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:51,160 Speaker 1: have to work this case worth case scenario. Crime stories 299 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace? What did I think? How b can 300 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 1: you comment on it? I don't know what happened, but 301 00:19:57,359 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 1: I'm the one called DCS and got this started. And 302 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:02,920 Speaker 1: why did you call the ad Because my granddaughter she's 303 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: able to come back, and I don't know what happened 304 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:06,400 Speaker 1: to her. One of the last time you would see 305 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 1: in her Ah thanks Gibel up to his housepitall at Thanksgiven. 306 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 1: So you hadn't teens Thanks Thanksgiving? I know some reports 307 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: say that it was like early December, so years was 308 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 1: a lot longer than that Thanksgiving. Had you been in 309 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,440 Speaker 1: communication with them at all? Like I knew you hadn't 310 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:24,120 Speaker 1: seen her. I hadn't talked to her, and not if 311 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 1: I stayed busy and I talked to my ex wife, 312 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 1: and I told her, I said, if they will not 313 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:31,440 Speaker 1: come home, I said, I will do something about it, 314 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:33,159 Speaker 1: and she said you better not do that. You're going 315 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 1: to regret this. I wonder why they said you're going 316 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:42,640 Speaker 1: to regret it. This is the baby Evelyn Boswell's maternal grandfather. 317 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 1: Back to our friends joining us from the Tennessee urewer 318 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:49,640 Speaker 1: of investigation, Josh, so you're telling me the grandpa saw 319 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 1: her on Thanksgiving and then other witnesses claimed they saw 320 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: her alive into December up to December twenty six. But 321 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:01,680 Speaker 1: I've got I'd like to evaluate those witnesses. Who is 322 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:07,680 Speaker 1: the witness that claims they saw the baby December twenty six? Well, again, Nancy, 323 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 1: the information that we're providing is that the baby was 324 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: reportedly seen December twenty six, and our agency has not 325 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 1: been offering any sort of specifics about who said what. 326 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: That led us to state that reason being is we're 327 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: pursuing everything that might potentially be an investigative lead. We're 328 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 1: not in a position to discuss everything we know about 329 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 1: this case publicly because we're working behind the scenes to 330 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 1: pursue interviews investigative leads that might help us find this 331 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 1: kid fast. Okay, I'm just going to take a giant 332 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 1: leap and cobble together what I think. I think the 333 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 1: mother told you she saw her on December twenty six. 334 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: Otherwise you'd say something like a neighbor or somebody at 335 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 1: church or somebody at daycare. But you're not telling me. 336 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,159 Speaker 1: You're not telling me, and you're not telling me for 337 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 1: a reason, and I respect that. I'm just deducing what 338 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 1: I believe. But I do know this acording to you. 339 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 1: Josh Divine with the TBI, A witness says they saw 340 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,920 Speaker 1: her on twelve twenty six. Larisa, I didn't report it 341 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 1: or anything. It's because I knew the person who had her, 342 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:13,919 Speaker 1: and I didn't want them to run away with her. 343 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: As soon as they thought I think was going on, 344 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:20,399 Speaker 1: they just kind of vanished. So I'm just worried about, 345 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: you know, like where they're at, what they're doing with 346 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 1: her at this point in silence, Boswell wouldn't reveal who 347 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: to her daughter, but says they were watching Evelyn while 348 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 1: she was at work. They should just bring her back. 349 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:34,880 Speaker 1: They alwausly know like what's going on, and like, you know, 350 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: they need to bring her back home. When did you 351 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 1: realize that they had completely disappeared. So in a way, 352 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,159 Speaker 1: I knew that as soon as anythink went down, you 353 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:45,119 Speaker 1: know the person was going to just disappear. And they have, 354 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,239 Speaker 1: and they've tried to find them. They won't answer their 355 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:52,959 Speaker 1: phone calls. They've just kind of disappeared. Boswell admits she 356 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 1: do things differently if given a second chance. Yeah, I'm 357 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:01,920 Speaker 1: probably called the first day. I should have. Modes didn't 358 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 1: want them to run with her. They haven't. Wait, I 359 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 1: should have called the first day. Wait, she didn't. Mommy 360 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:13,359 Speaker 1: didn't call on day one to find out where is 361 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: her baby? I mean, okay, I started to say, I'm 362 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 1: not judging what I am. I'm judging. I'm judging because 363 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,360 Speaker 1: you know, doctor Bethany Marshall, you and I've been through 364 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 1: a lot together. But doctor Bethany, if the children do 365 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:33,680 Speaker 1: not come out of school in a timely manner, when 366 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:35,920 Speaker 1: I go to pick them up, I immediately think of 367 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:39,640 Speaker 1: Karen Horman. I mean, I pull in, I get out 368 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 1: of that car, and I go look for them. How 369 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:46,400 Speaker 1: can you go with a baby. This is a fifteen 370 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:50,359 Speaker 1: month old baby girl. And she says I should have 371 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: called the first day. That tells me she didn't call 372 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 1: the first day. A full day passes and she hasn't 373 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,119 Speaker 1: seen or spoken to or checked on her baby. And 374 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,120 Speaker 1: you know, I gotta deal with dad too. I don't 375 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 1: know who bio dad is, but right now, let's talk 376 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 1: about mom, all right, the whole day, Doctor Bethany Nancy. 377 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: One of the first things you evaluate when a child 378 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 1: goes missing and you're talking to the mother, the first 379 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,680 Speaker 1: most important piece of behavioral evidence is does the mother 380 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:21,159 Speaker 1: have empathy towards the child. If the mother does the 381 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,119 Speaker 1: mother have a lot of details about where the child is, 382 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 1: details about the child's personality, what the child was wearing, 383 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 1: what's the child needs to eat, the child's healthcare situation. 384 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 1: She has no details. It's only like, yeah, I should 385 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 1: have called. And when you're talking about doubting yourself and 386 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: are you crazy? That grandfather, he is the only one 387 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,200 Speaker 1: that came forward. This family's a mess. They all gave 388 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 1: comfoot to his stories. Nobody's concerned about the fact that 389 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 1: the baby's missing. The baby's fifteen months old. The grandfather 390 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 1: says he's crying, he can't sleep. He calls CFI, He 391 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,400 Speaker 1: goes to a local news station. He gives an interview. 392 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,199 Speaker 1: He is the one same person in the family, and 393 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,879 Speaker 1: this reminds me the only one, Cynthia. He's in charge 394 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:09,160 Speaker 1: of the asylum, Remember Cynthia Cydi Anthony, I mean taught 395 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:12,120 Speaker 1: mom Casey Anthony. She calls, Okay, let me go back 396 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 1: to Josh Divine, Tennessee Bureau of Investigation, the TBI communications director, 397 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 1: Josh Divine. If I may be so familiar to just 398 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 1: call you Josh, Josh? Do I have that much correct? 399 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 1: Because you're hearing the mom, Megan Boswell, she's saying it. 400 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 1: You're not divulging anything from the case files. She's saying 401 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: she knows who has the baby. She was afraid that 402 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:42,919 Speaker 1: leave when she went public, but she didn't call on 403 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 1: the first day. Is that your understanding of what the 404 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,400 Speaker 1: mother is saying? It's time, Yes, but there's a caveat. 405 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 1: As we've said, really since the get go with this, 406 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,919 Speaker 1: there have been some inconsistencies in her story. So at 407 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 1: this point we've got to work everything she tells us 408 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 1: as though it's truth. But we also have not found 409 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 1: that child based on anything she said at this point, 410 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 1: So we're just having to pursue whatever we can, and 411 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:14,400 Speaker 1: it's hard. This is one I've never been. I've been 412 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,199 Speaker 1: with the TBI now for going on six years. You 413 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 1: and I have talked about previous amber alert that have 414 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 1: happened in the past year in Tennessee. This is one 415 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: that is exceedingly tough because we don't have a vehicle description, 416 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 1: we don't have a suspect description. We're just banking on 417 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 1: someone seeing this baby or knowing what happened and calling 418 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 1: us and telling us the truth. You were just hearing 419 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 1: our friends at Needs five WCYB Maria Roberts. But I 420 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,679 Speaker 1: want you to take a listen to more of what 421 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 1: we know. The mom says. This is w JHL Needs 422 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 1: Channel eleven, Annsley Daniel. Listen, let's get into that last 423 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 1: ryme you saw her, Tell me what that time was 424 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:57,920 Speaker 1: like and when that one well, actually I want to 425 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,400 Speaker 1: talk about that. I've told TBI where to find her 426 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,399 Speaker 1: in Mendota. My mom took her to a campground and 427 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 1: a silver camper. And if they don't go tonight, I'm 428 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 1: gonna go find her myself because I've told them and 429 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,439 Speaker 1: they're not really like taking it seriously. And if they 430 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: don't go tonight, like I will go myself and go 431 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,919 Speaker 1: get her. Tell me about the last time though that 432 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 1: you saw everyone. Tell me what you guys did, and 433 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,439 Speaker 1: when we went to go out to eat, and then 434 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 1: my mom hand got her shoes, wearing a little hot 435 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:29,680 Speaker 1: pink track suit with a matching little matching shoes a 436 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 1: little bit before Christmas clime stories with Nancy Grace. Let's 437 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 1: get into the last time you saw her. Tell me 438 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,360 Speaker 1: what that time was like and when that was well, 439 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,920 Speaker 1: actually I want to talk about that. I've told TBI 440 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,359 Speaker 1: where to find her in Mendota. My mom took her 441 00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,679 Speaker 1: to a campground and a silver camper, And if they 442 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 1: don't tonight, I'm going to find her myself because I've 443 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 1: told them and they're not really like taking it seriously. 444 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 1: And if they don't go tonight, like I will go 445 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 1: myself and go get her. Tell me about the last 446 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 1: time though that you saw Evelyn. Tell me what you 447 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 1: guys did and win that one we went to go 448 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 1: out to eat and then my mom hadn't got her. 449 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,680 Speaker 1: She was wearing a little hot pink tracksuit with the 450 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 1: matching bow, little matching shoes, and we're just December twenty. 451 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 1: They've run after Christmas a little bit. Poor Christmas, my mom, 452 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 1: like you can ask her is a very vindictive, nupulating person, 453 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 1: and she basically like threatened me the whole time. But 454 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 1: she was gone, do you know who has Evelyn? Right now? 455 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 1: She dropped her off somewhere in Mendota to silver camper. 456 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 1: But my mom would always say the person not like 457 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 1: people plural. Okay, you are hearing again our friend Annelie 458 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 1: Daniels speaking too, Evelyn's mom to Sharyl mccollan direct to 459 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 1: Cold Case Research Institute. Well, now I know what Josh 460 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 1: Divine for the TBI is talking about. Right there, we 461 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 1: just played two conflicting statements from mommy. Mommy first says 462 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 1: she knows who has the baby, the babysitter, and she 463 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 1: didn't call after the first day, and that's her big regret. 464 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 1: Now we're getting a different story. She's not with a babysitter, 465 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 1: her own mother took the baby and a silver camper 466 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 1: to a campground. Now that I here in the studio 467 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 1: already know of one major inconsistency. I mean, Cheryl, I 468 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 1: can tell you if my twins are right this minute 469 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 1: or so. I think, how can you have two stories 470 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 1: so vastly different about where your baby is because you 471 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 1: have two people that are covering for each other. So 472 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 1: the deal is Mama knows because Mamma said earlier that 473 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 1: I know the person who had her had his past hit, 474 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 1: meaning they don't have any more. And then she said, 475 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 1: I'm just kinda worried, kind of worried, kind of worried. 476 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 1: I would be a freaking lunatic if I didn't know 477 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 1: where Caroline was for ten minutes. But let's two freaking much. 478 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 1: Where is fifteen month old baby Evelyn. The one person 479 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 1: you would think would have some answers is mommy, But 480 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 1: guess what, She's got a lot of answers and none 481 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 1: of them seemingly fit together? Is it? Taught? Mom? Casey 482 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 1: Anthony all over again. Take a Listen to our friends 483 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 1: at w j HL News Channel eleven. This is Annesley 484 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 1: Daniel talking to mommy. So there is a person that 485 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 1: has her in Mendota. They're not taking me seriously, tbising 486 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 1: because I've not fully told them. I've been like, hey, 487 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 1: like my mom cam dowb at Mendota, you want to 488 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 1: go check them out. But I've never been like Sisily, hey, 489 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 1: she's like your silver campful because my mom did threaten me, like, 490 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 1: you know, if I told anybody, I'm looking again in that, 491 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 1: but she did. So your mom had tied Evelyn a 492 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 1: whole time, the whole or the person that is in 493 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 1: Mendota has had her the whole time. Tell me, why 494 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,040 Speaker 1: why do you let your mom takes Sara Ford? She 495 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 1: take her from you that night and well, she was 496 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 1: just supposed to babysit her. He'll be going for her 497 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,479 Speaker 1: because I was going to work. And then when did 498 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 1: you know that something was wrong? Well, whenever, Like she 499 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 1: picked me up Wednesday and I told her like, hey, 500 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 1: they're doing a press release south Ambular thing and then 501 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 1: she freaked out. That's why they can't find her. Like 502 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 1: nobody talked to her for days until they arrested her. 503 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 1: She's just kind of poofed gone. But she kept trying 504 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:26,480 Speaker 1: to take me adow and I kept asking. I was like, 505 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 1: are you taking me to Evelyn? And she would never 506 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 1: tell me yes or no. So Mommy seemingly is putting 507 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 1: the blame on her own maternal mother. Joining me an 508 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 1: all star panel to break it down and put it 509 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 1: back together again. The big question where is tak Girl 510 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 1: baby Evelyn? Ray Kimputo, Lead news anchor, Orlando Morning News 511 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 1: ninety six point five W dbo Ray. It seems to 512 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 1: me if Grandma was the last one with the baby, 513 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 1: she would be in jail for kidnapping right now, correct, right? 514 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 1: And she was only in jailway now, charged with being 515 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 1: a possession of a stolen car her and her boyfriend. 516 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 1: Now I don't know if this is are you talking 517 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 1: about grandma grandma yet? Yeah, Mom is not in custody yet. 518 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 1: Mom's just kind of roaming around and and still spinning 519 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 1: these towels. In fact, that interview was just yesterday, with 520 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 1: her sitting on her porch, you know, not being all 521 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 1: too concerned about where her baby was. At at least 522 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 1: you know, appeared to me. And again, you know his parents. 523 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 1: We all internalize what would happen if our own babies 524 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 1: went missing, And it makes those sense. But the last 525 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 1: I heard about the grandmother, she was being extradited back 526 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 1: from North Carolina. Now, I don't know, Nancy. You're you're 527 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 1: in the law practice, you have a background in this. 528 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 1: They wanted to set her bond at two million dollars 529 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 1: in North Carolina, but they didn't do that because she 530 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 1: was being extradited back to Tennessee. Now that tells me, 531 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 1: that's something a little bit more serious than you know, 532 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 1: you know, stolen car, Cheryl McCollum. It's rare you get 533 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,600 Speaker 1: a two million dollar bond on anything. That's a huge bond, 534 00:32:54,800 --> 00:33:00,040 Speaker 1: much less a stolen car. A stolen car, really, I 535 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 1: don't even make a bar and you go out R 536 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 1: O R. Released on your own recognizance, because that is 537 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 1: not a violent felony. That's like having a joint to 538 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 1: have us stolen car. Maybe not to the victim who 539 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 1: owns the car, but we don't have enough bedspace and 540 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 1: jails for people. That's steal a car and that's it. 541 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 1: So Grandma is behind bars waiting to be extradited with 542 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 1: a two million dollar bond. The car is probably going 543 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 1: to be the primary source of evidence that we're going 544 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 1: to have about Evelyn. At this point is quite possibly 545 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 1: part of a crime team. So they're going to treat 546 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 1: that vehicle and process at when a fine two cold 547 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 1: because right now it's our money tree, it's all we have. 548 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 1: So they're gonna look for her hair, they're gonna look 549 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 1: for her clothes, they're gonna look for blood, They're gonna 550 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 1: look for anything that might give us some indication of 551 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,880 Speaker 1: what happened to her or where she's at now. I'm 552 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 1: just looking right now at her picture and doctor Bethany 553 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 1: Marshall's psychoanalyst joining me out of Beverly Hills. You can 554 00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 1: find her at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com doctor Bathna. 555 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 1: I'm looking at her and I don't want to say 556 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:09,240 Speaker 1: the words. I think she's dead white Cheryl has blurted 557 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:15,400 Speaker 1: it out the soul of discretion. I'm thinking about what 558 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 1: life she led being in a home when nobody knows 559 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 1: where you are and nobody's out looking for you. What 560 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:29,320 Speaker 1: was her life like? I mean, was she just standing 561 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,880 Speaker 1: there as people argued or thought? Did she was she 562 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 1: deprived of food? Was she abused? Did she have a 563 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:41,719 Speaker 1: bath every night or every morning or both? Just it 564 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 1: hurts me to look at her little face. You don't 565 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 1: nancy to think about it. There are at least three 566 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 1: adults in Evelyn's life who have no regard or concern 567 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:55,839 Speaker 1: for her. Her mother, her grandmother, and the biological father. 568 00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,600 Speaker 1: This child was missing for months, and neither of these 569 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 1: three adults were concerned. In fact, when the mother says 570 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:08,440 Speaker 1: on the interview, hey, I told my mother that there 571 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,799 Speaker 1: was an amber alert, and then she freaked out as 572 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,520 Speaker 1: if the problem is the amber alert, not that their 573 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,880 Speaker 1: child is missing. It reminds me of a child molester 574 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,359 Speaker 1: I saw many years ago who came into the first 575 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,439 Speaker 1: session and said, you know, Doctor Marshall, if that mother 576 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,200 Speaker 1: hadn't that kid's mother hadn't walked in on me as 577 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 1: I was fondling him, we wouldn't be in this pickle, now, 578 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 1: would we. Everybody else's fault but the perpetrator. So you'd 579 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,920 Speaker 1: think about this mindset with a little girl. Yes, there 580 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,560 Speaker 1: were probably multiple forms of abuse in the house neglect. 581 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,800 Speaker 1: There could be some kind of battery, physical assault, and 582 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:48,120 Speaker 1: also the mental abuse of treating the child like she's 583 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,439 Speaker 1: unconditionally bad. So I worry that there's been a sad 584 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 1: ending to a very sad fifteen months life that this 585 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,800 Speaker 1: little girl left. The patre is getting in much sharper 586 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 1: focus for me right now. This is what I understand, 587 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:08,759 Speaker 1: Ray Kaputo, Lead news anchor Orlando Wdbo. The mother did 588 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 1: not report the child missing. The grandmother, the maternal grandmother, 589 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:23,160 Speaker 1: Megan Boswell, excuse me, Angela Boswell, and a young guy, 590 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 1: William McLeod, who's thirty three years old, is in the 591 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:32,000 Speaker 1: stolen BMW. Now McLeod, there he is. He's one of 592 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,800 Speaker 1: the tattoos on his face and neck. Not judging claims, 593 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:42,280 Speaker 1: Evelyn's mother, Megan Boswell, gave them the stolen car without 594 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:47,239 Speaker 1: mentioning it wasn't paid for, and somehow we are now 595 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:53,040 Speaker 1: learning this car is being connected to baby Evelyn's disappearance. 596 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,880 Speaker 1: So you've got Evelyn the baby, You've got the mother, Megan, 597 00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,600 Speaker 1: you have the father who has not been named yet. 598 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:04,480 Speaker 1: His name is Ethan Perry. And you have the grandma, 599 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,799 Speaker 1: forty two year old Angela Boswell, and this guy she's 600 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:12,320 Speaker 1: riding around in a BMW, William McLeod, the one with 601 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:17,359 Speaker 1: the facial tattoo, thirty three years old. Who is this guy? 602 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,279 Speaker 1: Why is he in the car with grandma? And why 603 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:25,400 Speaker 1: is this stolen car connected to the baby's disappearance? Okay, Ray, 604 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,360 Speaker 1: I'm ready for a data dump. Hit me well, Nancy, 605 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,920 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just a sad family dynamic as we 606 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,359 Speaker 1: just heard, you know, moments ago about you know how 607 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:37,600 Speaker 1: normal people, if somebody kid went missing, somebody would know 608 00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,200 Speaker 1: about it very very quickly. But but now with this family, 609 00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,560 Speaker 1: you know, the mom had a boyfriend she wasn't living 610 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,520 Speaker 1: close to where the baby was at least when she 611 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,759 Speaker 1: was found. She was in North Carolina. I know that much, 612 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,520 Speaker 1: but but are you talking about are you talking about 613 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:53,560 Speaker 1: the mother or the grandma? The grandmother, I'm sorry, the 614 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,520 Speaker 1: grandmother was living in North Carolina and Nancy Angela, you know, 615 00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,960 Speaker 1: and she's got this guy. He's got a nice tat 616 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:00,840 Speaker 1: on his face and a tat. He doesn't look like 617 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,960 Speaker 1: the nicest guy who was convicted of assault previously. You know. 618 00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:09,000 Speaker 1: So like the last the guest said, this child needed 619 00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,880 Speaker 1: people in their lives and they didn't have it with 620 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:16,040 Speaker 1: with this case, you got three adults who have shown 621 00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,880 Speaker 1: complete disregard, including the child's own mother. The dad is 622 00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:22,440 Speaker 1: in the military Louisiana not around. So you know, at 623 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:26,000 Speaker 1: the end of the day, Angela, I personally think she 624 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,839 Speaker 1: has something to share, but I'm not sure she had 625 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,120 Speaker 1: anything to do with this crime. I gotta admit I 626 00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,239 Speaker 1: think that the mom. You know, given my background with 627 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,880 Speaker 1: the Casey Anthony case, I think the mom is throwing 628 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,840 Speaker 1: her under the bus too, just like Casey threw George 629 00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,239 Speaker 1: under the bus at the trial. Seems like there's you know, 630 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:45,120 Speaker 1: some some dislike there So the babies you're actually reported 631 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:49,719 Speaker 1: missing February eighteen, but the last known signing that I 632 00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,600 Speaker 1: know I was back in November my grandpa, although some 633 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,880 Speaker 1: people claim they saw her December twenty six. It's a 634 00:38:56,040 --> 00:39:01,840 Speaker 1: very complicated fact scenario. What we are learning that this 635 00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:09,320 Speaker 1: stolen BMW is connected to Evelyn's disappearance. Evelyn Boswell still missing, 636 00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:15,960 Speaker 1: fifty six thousand dollar reward for her safe return. I 637 00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:19,640 Speaker 1: want to go back to Cheryl McCullum. Tell me how 638 00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:25,560 Speaker 1: you think this whole thing went down. Should we imagine 639 00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,720 Speaker 1: some third party we don't know of has the baby? 640 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:34,840 Speaker 1: The mother's stories don't align, but yet it's the grandma 641 00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,279 Speaker 1: who's being held in North Carolina awaiting extradition on a 642 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,200 Speaker 1: two million dollars They wanted a two million dollar bond. 643 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,560 Speaker 1: So how does that giant mama grandmama was found in 644 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:48,400 Speaker 1: a car that was stolen that mama initiated getting for her. 645 00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:52,920 Speaker 1: So again Mom keeps getting in his wine in this 646 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:57,400 Speaker 1: tale of lives and misdirections. So why would this baby's 647 00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:01,120 Speaker 1: mama get the grandmother of b vehicles stolen or not? 648 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,560 Speaker 1: Why would she deliberately go out of her way to 649 00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:08,440 Speaker 1: light a law enforcement and not give answers to very 650 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:12,239 Speaker 1: elementary questions about where your baby is and why would 651 00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,840 Speaker 1: she continue? Nancy to not search for the baby, not 652 00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,200 Speaker 1: have to, you know, concern or care for the baby, 653 00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,840 Speaker 1: not be losing her mind, and called the police herself. 654 00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:28,040 Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds. The tip line one eight hundred, 655 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:34,120 Speaker 1: TBI find or four two three two seventy nine, seventy 656 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:39,880 Speaker 1: five hundred. Let's pray baby Evelyn is still alive. Nancy 657 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,759 Speaker 1: Grace Crime Story, signing off goodbye friend