Speaker 1: My name is Clay Neukleman. This is a production of
Speaker 1: the Bear Grease podcast called The Bear Grease Render, where
Speaker 1: we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the scenes
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Speaker 1: Thank you, everybody, thank you, thank you, thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the bear Grease Render that we have. We've
Speaker 1: talked about this render for a long time. We actually
Speaker 1: got much of the original crew here. The Burger's Renders
Speaker 1: been going on now for over three years, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know that we always have different people that are
Speaker 1: coming in and and sometimes people come and go. But
Speaker 1: there's kind of some o gs and Gary Newcomb would
Speaker 1: be one of them. Bears a new G. Josh is
Speaker 1: an o G. Brent's an original o G, Mistery's original
Speaker 1: o G. And so doesn't the O and O G
Speaker 1: stand for original?
Speaker 2: Yeah stands original gangster? Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, you're you're
Speaker 2: you're a new O G.
Speaker 1: Original original gotcha? Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. It's
Speaker 1: like original, You're an original G. That is what I
Speaker 1: should have said m M. But there's there's we've got
Speaker 1: we've got. Let me just start off with the with
Speaker 1: the agenda we're gonna We've got a big agenda today
Speaker 1: And the biggest thing that we're gonna do today is
Speaker 1: it's been over two years since we've done an induction
Speaker 1: into the Bear Greece Hall of Fame. And if and
Speaker 1: if anybody had forgotten about the Bear Grease Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame or thought that it didn't exist anymore, it does
Speaker 1: exist on you and uh and uh, we're gonna discuss
Speaker 1: that in detail and uh and we're gonna discuss kind
Speaker 1: of some of like the parliamentary rules around induction into
Speaker 1: the Bear Grease Hall of Fame and how that works.
Speaker 1: And we're actually going to induct and and and you
Speaker 1: guys will have the opportunity to vote on whether you
Speaker 1: think they should be in or not.
Speaker 3: Is it have to be unanimous or does is it majority?
Speaker 1: Majority?
Speaker 3: Oh? Okay, are you the majority? Man?
Speaker 4: I was in a parliamentary procedure team in the FFA
Speaker 4: in high school.
Speaker 1: You ever had you ever had a dictator as the
Speaker 1: parliamentary procedure all?
Speaker 3: I tell you what I did.
Speaker 4: I had a we had a guy that couldn't hear
Speaker 4: very well. He misunderstood what the topic was. Anytime you
Speaker 4: go to these contests. We were over at U A M.
Speaker 4: And it's every f h A. I mean, I'm sorry,
Speaker 4: f f A school, you know, compete against each other schools,
Speaker 4: and you don't know what the topic is. And there's
Speaker 4: a president, a vice president, and secretary of treasure and
Speaker 4: maybe a sergeant in arms, I can't remember. But we
Speaker 4: were stationed at different podiums around the cafeteria or the
Speaker 4: room wherever we were having this contest, and you just
Speaker 4: draw a topic out, which is.
Speaker 1: All agg related.
Speaker 4: Agg related everything, you know. So the vice president, I think,
Speaker 4: is who it was, pulled it out. I'm not going
Speaker 4: to say his name because he listens, but you know
Speaker 4: who you are.
Speaker 3: He was nervous.
Speaker 4: He pulled it out and looked looked at it, and
Speaker 4: the word was agronomy, which is, you know, growing plants,
Speaker 4: growing crops.
Speaker 3: He said, our subject for today is astrology.
Speaker 4: I'm looking I'm looking at everybody's looking around like somebody's
Speaker 4: got to start it off. A friend of mine says,
Speaker 4: point order make it. He says, I don't think corner
Speaker 4: grow the moon and it kind of went downhill from there.
Speaker 1: So point b sorry, you should you should, you should
Speaker 1: really pay attention as we as we go through parliamentary
Speaker 1: procedure inside of induction. The bear grisay, that's funny. That
Speaker 1: is really funny. Uh. We also, I think it'd be
Speaker 1: a good time as well to just tell somebody that's listening,
Speaker 1: you know that the Beargrease Feed has a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff on it. It's got Brent's podcast, This Country Life.
Speaker 1: So if you ever came to the feed, you you
Speaker 1: might see This Country Life and hear Brent and and
Speaker 1: you'd hear that. You might catch it on a week
Speaker 1: where there's a Bear Grease Render, which is this episode,
Speaker 1: which is where we have a kind of a round
Speaker 1: table discussion that's primarily geared towards our other podcast. So
Speaker 1: there's three different podcasts essentially on this channel and the
Speaker 1: Bear Grease Podcast, which is a documentary style podcast about
Speaker 1: rural America history hunting and.
Speaker 3: Where you will not hear Josh Landbridge spilmmaker on there.
Speaker 1: That's right, you were on there once maybe, so the
Speaker 1: uh this is this is that. So we're going to
Speaker 1: talk about a little bit about the Turkey Stories episode
Speaker 1: that just came out, which which I I said, I
Speaker 1: made a bold claim that I stand by that I
Speaker 1: believe one of the stories on there was arguably the
Speaker 1: best Turkey story ever told for any reasons. So we're
Speaker 1: going to talk about that. But we've also got we've
Speaker 1: got a few other things to talk about, one of
Speaker 1: which I wanted to show y'all. See this belt buckle, Brent,
Speaker 1: I do look at that bad boy, a little shoe
Speaker 1: raccoon playing the banjo. Man, I don't know how. You know,
Speaker 1: there's people that are upset about the internet kind of
Speaker 1: knowing what you do and what you like, and they
Speaker 1: give ads to you. I mean, I don't know. There's
Speaker 1: probably some type of invasion privacy that I wouldn't be
Speaker 1: happy with, and I'm not, but man, when they start
Speaker 1: feeding me stuff like this, I'm like, let's go, what
Speaker 1: else you need to know about? And so I ordered
Speaker 1: this and Misty thought that it was a scam. She
Speaker 1: was like, there's no way that that's a real belt buckle.
Speaker 1: And I actually paid an extra eight dollars to get
Speaker 1: this shipped this expedited. So I was hoping to wear
Speaker 1: it to the Black Bear, but Anza, well, I paid
Speaker 1: an extra eight dollars and it never came. And Misty
Speaker 1: was like, once again, yeah, she thought it was a scam,
Speaker 1: and uh am, I right a little bit, a little bit,
Speaker 1: and Bear, what did you think? No, you were like,
Speaker 1: it's probably okay. Well after a little while, I thought
Speaker 1: it was a scam.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think that the the timing of it was what
Speaker 5: made it so scam worthy.
Speaker 1: So it shows. I pay extra eight dollars to get
Speaker 1: it like by Friday, and it comes in on like Tuesday,
Speaker 1: and and it's a real belt buckle. And it's a
Speaker 1: little small. It's it's like half the size I thought
Speaker 1: it would be. That's all, but.
Speaker 2: It's an incredible idea.
Speaker 1: Yeah, tell the listeners what it Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a it's a nice silver belt buckle
Speaker 1: with a with a raccoon paint playing a banjo in
Speaker 1: the center of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 3: Like what do you call those? Like a cameo? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah's what's funny is we were coon hunting me Randall Whitmore,
Speaker 4: Brad Clark and Wade with More were coon hunting when
Speaker 4: you sent me that picture.
Speaker 3: And I said, y'all check this out.
Speaker 4: Thirty minutes later, Wade says, Hey, just so y'all know,
Speaker 4: I got four of those belt buckles ordered right now, like.
Speaker 3: You kid, Yeah, we I had got it yet they
Speaker 3: got scammed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he said I got as four of those ordered.
Speaker 4: I'm like, where did the world did you find them?
Speaker 3: Oh, buddy?
Speaker 1: And then as soon as you order one of those, guy, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what the next one, they make one like
Speaker 1: this with a beaver on it. A beaver he's playing
Speaker 1: a mandolin or something.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 1: I was like, goodbye. That for steverdella. So that's that's
Speaker 1: my uh, that's my belt buckle.
Speaker 5: I think that we should we should also maybe tell
Speaker 5: people why you entered to applause today. I think the
Speaker 5: listener might be a little bit we were here, yeah,
Speaker 5: I think the listener might not understand. They might think
Speaker 5: we're somewhere to do friend. Well, we're in the same location. Yeah,
Speaker 5: we're in the same Look, there's.
Speaker 3: An extra like four or five hundred people here watching you.
Speaker 1: We're at the Global headquarters. But this is this is
Speaker 1: a Hall of Hall of Fame induction.
Speaker 5: Episode, and Josh found out how to make fun sound
Speaker 5: effects directly before.
Speaker 1: The Hall of fame clips.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's all I got to say.
Speaker 1: So, Uh, the other thing I wanted to tell you,
Speaker 1: guys is that you may have seen you may have
Speaker 1: Josh has seen Red with his own eyes. Bear has
Speaker 1: ridden Red. Beautiful Misty is scene.
Speaker 2: Red and refers to him as Hank.
Speaker 1: Many people would have. For for about a month, I
Speaker 1: was riding a mule that we call Red, really really
Speaker 1: nice mule, fifteen to two, big, strong feet, ten years old,
Speaker 1: just like a top notch mule, and uh, sold Red
Speaker 1: this week.
Speaker 3: Kind of somebody got a good mule. I was able
Speaker 3: to go on a hog hunt while you while you
Speaker 3: were riding that mule. Yeah, and that that thing's a machine.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I really like Red, like Red.
Speaker 3: Don't tell the rest of the story.
Speaker 1: Which part is that that he.
Speaker 3: Wound up like three miles from my house?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah yeah, it's pretty crazy. Randomly, completely randomly.
Speaker 1: The guy that bought it ended up is like Brent's neighbor.
Speaker 3: Really, but it wasn't that's funny.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like Brent had anything to do with it.
Speaker 3: No, do you know what?
Speaker 4: Yeah, great guy, absolutely, great guy.
Speaker 3: Great meal. Sounds like a good comba, you know.
Speaker 5: And I think the way that Clay described that mual
Speaker 5: is probably how we should start describing our children about
Speaker 5: fifteen years old. So many hands, two big strong feet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's a good that's a good.
Speaker 1: Way to describe.
Speaker 3: How many hands are you bear?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: How many hands are you bear?
Speaker 3: No clue?
Speaker 2: It's probably about seventeen hands, do you think.
Speaker 1: More than that? To the twenty more than that.
Speaker 4: The Yeah, that's where you measure them too.
Speaker 1: So but let's let's go ahead, and uh, is there
Speaker 1: anything else I'm supposed to talk about?
Speaker 3: I don't think you've talked about anything?
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, Uh what about the Turkey Stories episode?
Speaker 7: Barrett?
Speaker 1: What was your favorite story? And you can exempt Med's story?
Speaker 1: Thank you, Yeah, because that was a good story. But
Speaker 1: that was a really good story.
Speaker 3: We can talk about this coffee that Missy just built
Speaker 3: all over like, oh.
Speaker 2: Shut well, I'll be okay.
Speaker 3: Sorry.
Speaker 1: I thought Lake Pickles story was just absolutely wild. Really yeah,
Speaker 1: I've seen the two dead turkeys and then I mean,
Speaker 1: like I can't think of a time where I've ever
Speaker 1: come across a dead turkey, and then like you see
Speaker 1: two and then he goes over there and you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of turkeys comes in he said, which that
Speaker 1: in itself was pretty wild. I mean, just like the
Speaker 1: number of turkey and then you know, it turned out
Speaker 1: that was the their roosts, which is why they were
Speaker 1: seeing them in that little power line strip. And then
Speaker 1: the turkey flies and gets zapped by a power line
Speaker 1: and they take it back and mount it.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 1: It was just wild, but it did. Whenever I was
Speaker 1: in North Carolina in January at a we were we
Speaker 1: were hunting with falcons or hawks, but they had there
Speaker 1: were multiple people there that had hawks that would fly
Speaker 1: up onto the power line like transformers and they would
Speaker 1: just like melt really and so yeah, and so like
Speaker 1: you just think about how many wild birds that we
Speaker 1: don't really.
Speaker 3: But you see birds on the power lines all the time.
Speaker 3: What's the difference.
Speaker 1: I know, the transformers, like the part that's like on
Speaker 1: the actual poles what the falconers were talking about?
Speaker 3: Interesting, but I don't know about that one.
Speaker 1: Well, and it's and it wasn't Old Mexico, so it's
Speaker 1: possible the electrical system is different.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it could have just been like.
Speaker 3: Trist down there.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean it is south of the US border.
Speaker 4: Well, it would take one of them if every one
Speaker 4: of them that flies into it dies. The word will
Speaker 4: never get back to the rest of us. Somebody needs
Speaker 4: to get needs to live through it. Like, dude, I
Speaker 4: flew into that wire. Knock one of my spurs off.
Speaker 4: Let me tell you, y'all be careful under or over.
Speaker 2: Have been able to sleep since?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I mean what I mean by it's different,
Speaker 1: It could be. It's like maybe the big power lines
Speaker 1: that you see, like if you transmission lines, well you
Speaker 1: still got to be touching the ground.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So that's why I'm saying it could have been different.
Speaker 1: It's not like it's electricity is different.
Speaker 3: We'll get our old friend Josh barger On here to
Speaker 3: explain it to us. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a good story.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And the the the idea like having that many turkeys
Speaker 1: around that they sat there until dark and couldn't get
Speaker 1: a shot out on because they were going to shoot
Speaker 1: other turkeys is like unimaginable to me. I can't even remember.
Speaker 1: From a man who was born into like the worst
Speaker 1: time in the last fifty years to turkey hunt in
Speaker 1: this state bears like he's like if he sees one
Speaker 1: turkey a year, he's happy and then he then he
Speaker 1: hears about this. You need to go to Mexico.
Speaker 3: Do you remember when we were in Folsom, New Mexico
Speaker 3: and were driving through town and it was just turkey's
Speaker 3: overrunning on turkeys real? Yeah, yeah, I bet I could
Speaker 3: have counted one hundred and fifty turkeys.
Speaker 4: Spot Burner's a male man down there right there, like Josh,
Speaker 4: shut up Awsome?
Speaker 1: Yeah, over the counter tags too. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: think you have to apply get points for years and
Speaker 1: think there were real grand turkeys. We have a new job.
Speaker 1: A lot of a lot of companies in the outdoor
Speaker 1: industry try to help people h get tags and stuff.
Speaker 1: We're going to try to confuse people.
Speaker 3: We're doing that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Mexico. Yeah, you gotta apply in that point.
Speaker 3: So that electricity down there, it's different.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you walk under power poles down there, it'll
Speaker 1: get you. Dad. Which story stood out to you?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 1: I was just shocked.
Speaker 6: Every one of them was just a ten, you know,
Speaker 6: And if I just had to pick one, I think
Speaker 6: the one bear was probably the best. But I like
Speaker 6: the preacher boy from Mississippi.
Speaker 1: Oh like the way he talk. Yeah, yeah, Robin Rischer.
Speaker 6: You know, if you got a collar on or a
Speaker 6: diaper and setting into Isaias, don't come up on a
Speaker 6: country boy.
Speaker 7: I mean, wait till somebody, a city slicker comes up,
Speaker 7: because these country boys, they can they can pump one
Speaker 7: in their shotgun real quick.
Speaker 1: I know when that when old Trusty Rusty swallowed that
Speaker 1: three and a half inch die no bag wopping, turk,
Speaker 1: turkey thumping whatever. He was a real storyteller.
Speaker 3: I mean he was.
Speaker 6: He added a lot of stuff that you didn't have
Speaker 6: to add to it, and he was a comedian.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, well okay, so there's a bigger story behind
Speaker 1: Robin Risher. So I've never met the guys from the
Speaker 1: Hayden Alabama podcast, but I love them. They're hard not
Speaker 1: to love. They have a really neat podcast, and it
Speaker 1: feels like it was just some guys in the little
Speaker 1: community in Alabama that that kind of recognize some of
Speaker 1: the same things we've recognized that there's a lot of
Speaker 1: people with great stories just in the community that aren't
Speaker 1: making national headlines that are just fun stories. So they
Speaker 1: started this podcast. Well, they brought on Robin Risher, who's
Speaker 1: this pastor in Mississippi, and he had a viral video
Speaker 1: telling that story, and uh and and and he probably
Speaker 1: told it. There was a component of it that's better
Speaker 1: when you see him tell the story because Robin is
Speaker 1: it's hilarious to watch him. See and if you go
Speaker 1: online and ask for I don't know what you'd search
Speaker 1: to find gy Yeah, Robin Rischer, you g l And anyway, Robin,
Speaker 1: they he loves this, So I'm not making fun of him,
Speaker 1: but they joke about how he never blinks. He just
Speaker 1: stared at the camera the whole time. And he tells
Speaker 1: his story, I mean, going like a long time without blinking.
Speaker 1: And anyway, he's kind of become like this guy that
Speaker 1: that people know.
Speaker 3: And so.
Speaker 1: We got him on the podcast and he told that
Speaker 1: story to us.
Speaker 3: But he's one of the one of the kindest, just
Speaker 3: most genuine, you use the term precious. He's just the
Speaker 3: sweet guy and a fun guy to be around.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd be I wish he could. I wish he
Speaker 1: could have come to something like, you know, to render
Speaker 1: before we.
Speaker 3: Learned an interesting fact, you know, speaking of Med Palmer's story,
Speaker 3: when when we were talking to him, he said, he said,
Speaker 3: you know somebody you need to talk to is Med Palmer.
Speaker 3: I said, we actually have a story for Med Palmer
Speaker 3: about about him losing his son in his last turkey.
Speaker 3: He said, well, I preached Med palmer Son's funeral.
Speaker 1: That isn't that something?
Speaker 3: Yeah, brother Robin they call him brother Rob.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Josh, which one stood out to you? And we're
Speaker 1: kind of leaving Med's story?
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, they're all they're all good. I don't want
Speaker 3: to piggyback, but I loved that story that that David
Speaker 3: uh I forgot Huffman. David Huffman told about with his
Speaker 3: Native American guide saying let the creek accept you, and
Speaker 3: and two of the guys did it, and two of
Speaker 3: the guys didn't, and sure enough, yep. I mean it
Speaker 3: just played out. It's amazing how when you when you
Speaker 3: have so much awareness of an environment like that. I
Speaker 3: you know, I do some guiding down here at the river,
Speaker 3: and I've got a couple of guys that kind of
Speaker 3: have taken me under their wing guides. One of the
Speaker 3: guys I go with regularly, he's a fourth generation guy
Speaker 3: down there, and it's like when he tells you something,
Speaker 3: you listen because it's you could write it in a
Speaker 3: book and use it as a guiding Bible because he
Speaker 3: just you just know you have this, It's almost like
Speaker 3: a sixth sense. And just listening to him tell that
Speaker 3: story and how it played out of he did it,
Speaker 3: I mean, just step by step how the God told him,
Speaker 3: and those other guys just thought they knew better. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and they didn't. So and then the next day, same thing.
Speaker 3: It played out exactly like the Gud told him. So
Speaker 3: I loved that story.
Speaker 2: So you liked the story where the guide was right,
Speaker 2: where the guide was right.
Speaker 3: I always listening to God, folks.
Speaker 1: Did you did you like how let's talk about the
Speaker 1: the semantics when I said, did you think it was
Speaker 1: okay that I said I'm not an animist?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: Did you understand that?
Speaker 3: Yeah? An animist means like you you you.
Speaker 1: Haven't understand when I said that, Yeah, because I mean
Speaker 1: that there's a it's it's a it's a theological like
Speaker 1: I don't want to use the term religious because it's
Speaker 1: not I don't really like that word. But you know,
Speaker 1: like many indigenous cultures of the world believe that they're animists.
Speaker 1: They believe that the spirituality of nature, like like a
Speaker 1: tree would be alive and like a like a spirit
Speaker 1: being and so that I wasn't trying to put doctrine
Speaker 1: into this guy's mouth. But but the idea that the
Speaker 1: creek could accept you is actually something that I wouldn't
Speaker 1: that I would kind of doctrinally wouldn't couldn't completely get behind.
Speaker 1: But I said, I get what they're saying. Like anybody
Speaker 1: that's that's a woodsman has had a hunt or or
Speaker 1: or maybe often. I mean, it's not even that unusual
Speaker 1: where you're in the woods and you feel like you're
Speaker 1: a part of the system, you're not just a visitor there,
Speaker 1: and and it's it was great advice, you know.
Speaker 4: So anyway, Yeah, I like that because it made you
Speaker 4: pause and be more aware of what was going on
Speaker 4: around you. You see, gets singularly focused on something and
Speaker 4: you miss other things. Yeah, cotton mouse and creeks are
Speaker 4: one of them. I remember going into a place early
Speaker 4: for daylight, way before daylight, longer than I should have
Speaker 4: been there. Shine a light over in a creek, and
Speaker 4: there's a cotton mouth laying over there in the show
Speaker 4: turn the light off. I'm waiting, wait and wait and wait. Nah,
Speaker 4: I'm bored. You know, it's still thirty minutes for daylight.
Speaker 4: What am I gonna do now? Oh, I'll see what
Speaker 4: that cotton mouse doing. I shine over there, and he
Speaker 4: ain't there. Now he's gone shine down my feet in there,
Speaker 4: he is down there. I took time to be aware
Speaker 4: of what was going around me, you know, and you
Speaker 4: learn those hard things so that regardless of what they thought,
Speaker 4: it is a good idea to get in there and
Speaker 4: get set and just be aware of everything that's going right.
Speaker 4: And so, you know, it's validity in a lot.
Speaker 3: Of things like that.
Speaker 1: And absolutely and and and I the older I get,
Speaker 1: the more I am on a mission to understand the
Speaker 1: things that are not trackable by the physics of this planet.
Speaker 1: And there, and and and Western culture has taken Western
Speaker 1: culture by by Western culture. I guess what I'm specifically
Speaker 1: saying is is that knowledge, rational thinking, using your intellect
Speaker 1: to guide yourself on this planet has been wonderful for us.
Speaker 1: We have cars, and we understand electricity and physics, and
Speaker 1: and we we've been very successful as a species in
Speaker 1: terms of biologically reproducing and being successful with that also
Speaker 1: took away from this uh uh, what I would just
Speaker 1: call just raw spirituality. And I am one thousand and
Speaker 1: percent convinced that there are there are things going on
Speaker 1: that are not able to be picked up by those laws.
Speaker 1: And uh, and that's what a lot of a lot
Speaker 1: of people used to would have relied on a whole
Speaker 1: lot more than in the past anyway. And it's not
Speaker 1: being spooky or weird. It's just like, yeah, there's there's
Speaker 1: stuff that happens that is not on the radar of
Speaker 1: physics period, the metaphysical. So that guy, that guy may
Speaker 1: it tapped into a little bit of it.
Speaker 3: Yep, for sure.
Speaker 6: Hey, I called in a flock of turkey's downhill with
Speaker 6: one gobbler years ago. You probably remember me telling the story. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I mean it's pretty phenomenal. I'm not a great turkey hunter.
Speaker 6: And you can't call a turkey downhill, you know in theory, right,
Speaker 6: that's the doctrine. And I mean I'm sitting down here
Speaker 6: in this low spot and there's a big hill right there,
Speaker 6: and there's not a lot of trees in this whole flock.
Speaker 7: Probably there was fifteen birds, you know, twelve, And.
Speaker 3: Here they come.
Speaker 7: Man, I'm going what And they pull up right.
Speaker 6: In front of me at about fifteen yards and I
Speaker 6: got my gun up and I'm thinking I can't shoot
Speaker 6: that gobbler, I'll kill a hent or two.
Speaker 3: You remember, did I kill that gobler?
Speaker 6: I don't remember, Okay, Okay, Well, anyway, I eventually killed
Speaker 6: a gobbler I don't know, in that bunch, well, in
Speaker 6: that same area, yeah, in that same area. I don't
Speaker 6: know if it was that one or not.
Speaker 1: But did you did you quiet out and become one
Speaker 1: with the creek? Absolutely, I like to go, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they think it's a bumblebee.
Speaker 3: That's what the turkey did to hit the firelight.
Speaker 1: I remember one of your stories where you you called
Speaker 1: you just were cold calling in the afternoon and called
Speaker 1: quite a bit and fell asleep and then woke up
Speaker 1: to two gobblers goblin right on top of you.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: In fact, that's that was in the afternoon, a Sunday afternoon.
Speaker 6: I went out called in that flock. I mean, I
Speaker 6: don't mess around with just one bird.
Speaker 1: Called them all.
Speaker 7: And then then the best, probably the best story.
Speaker 6: And I don't have many stories, because, like I say,
Speaker 6: I'm just average truck hand, but that one that I've
Speaker 6: told it on this probably before bird in a tree
Speaker 6: goblin and you know I'm sitting there going daylight comes,
Speaker 6: he drops out. I got my gun right here, and
Speaker 6: I'm thinking, where did that bird go? And he's right here, man,
Speaker 6: I mean.
Speaker 1: He's he's like I could have grabbed him by the neck,
Speaker 1: like three feet from him. Yeah, yeah, right there, right
Speaker 1: he flew down and then yeah, and I was in.
Speaker 6: Buck brush about this tall, and he just worked his
Speaker 6: way through that. It was just about like me and
Speaker 6: bear and I looked over and then he walked right
Speaker 6: in front of my gun.
Speaker 7: I'm not going to tell you the rest of the story.
Speaker 3: The turkey lives.
Speaker 6: Turkey flew off my shot, but I don't know up close.
Speaker 6: I did a lot of studying on that. How you
Speaker 6: can miss a bird at three feet that's pretty easy. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I'm sure here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh man, that's good. Brent. Which story stood out
Speaker 1: to you?
Speaker 4: Well, I mean the elephant in the room I'll leave
Speaker 4: for Misty. But I liked the guy that had to
Speaker 4: come to Jesus meeting with Mark Slade. Yeah, it's a
Speaker 4: slave sledge Sledge, Mark Sledge. He finally owned up to it,
Speaker 4: you know, and maybe who knows where the guy went
Speaker 4: after that. But that's a you know, that's a that's
Speaker 4: a hard listen for a grown up for a kid,
Speaker 4: but for a grown up to admit, you know, you
Speaker 4: got me. And then two he kind of you know,
Speaker 4: it went about it. It said something about you know,
Speaker 4: it said something about character, and not in a good way.
Speaker 4: If you have if you have your wife, if you
Speaker 4: have your wife, call and say, hey, can I have
Speaker 4: that turkey?
Speaker 3: Call back?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's kind of puzzling.
Speaker 4: It was very much so. So I think it was
Speaker 4: a good lesson in what not to do. And maybe
Speaker 4: this maybe it turned out, maybe the guy had a
Speaker 4: realization and this may may not have been the best
Speaker 4: way to do that.
Speaker 3: Because number one, Mark was very forgiven.
Speaker 4: He didn't involve the sheriff's office, the game warden, or
Speaker 4: all he wanted the guy to do was fast up.
Speaker 3: Hey, it was me, my bad. I made a like
Speaker 3: me being late today. I walked in the door.
Speaker 4: I told my hat in here, make sure he didn't
Speaker 4: get thrown back out, to make sure I could come
Speaker 4: back if I could come in. So there was a
Speaker 4: lot of lessons there that you could you could take
Speaker 4: from that, and not only from the guy doing wrong,
Speaker 4: but for Mark being very forgiven of the whole situation
Speaker 4: and just wanting the guy to.
Speaker 1: So Yeah, well, the hook of that story is that,
Speaker 1: and we didn't want to bring it out until the render.
Speaker 1: But that man was Josh back Christy. Christy called Bart called.
Speaker 1: I thought it was. I thought it was pretty unusually.
Speaker 1: He didn't call it game board because.
Speaker 4: I kept waiting, you know, and you said at the end,
Speaker 4: if you were waiting for I was. I was waiting,
Speaker 4: you know, game Yeah, I thought.
Speaker 1: Did you think that was unusually? He didn't call it
Speaker 1: game Barden. I mean, he caught this guy right handed.
Speaker 6: I didn't think much about it. You know, it would
Speaker 6: be his word against yours. Really, once you got back
Speaker 6: to the truck. I mean, a guy could have light
Speaker 6: his way out of it.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I did you think you didn't?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 6: I thought he I thought he I was impressed with
Speaker 6: the way he dealt with it. Yeah, what he said,
Speaker 6: You're sitting there, guys three feet from and you go hello.
Speaker 7: The guy on set of his skin, and then then
Speaker 7: he goes, I believe you.
Speaker 3: I love what he said. He said. He said, isn't
Speaker 3: it amazing how a good day like that?
Speaker 7: Clint Eastwood, you just made my day, brother.
Speaker 1: I wonder why he left his turkey best at the fence.
Speaker 1: Maybe he didn't want to get it hung up crawling
Speaker 1: through it.
Speaker 6: Well, he wanted to find out how to get out. Possibly,
Speaker 6: you know, the woods might have all looked the same,
Speaker 6: and you know, you turn around, you look and you go, okay,
Speaker 6: I'm gonna walk back to this big tree.
Speaker 7: Well he just and he didn't want his turkey vest.
Speaker 6: You know, I think it might have been he was
Speaker 6: a criminal, you don't, you know, you put your mask,
Speaker 6: could have been making racket.
Speaker 4: You know, he's just trying to slip in there and
Speaker 4: slip out with that.
Speaker 1: I wonder if it had something to do with marbire fence,
Speaker 1: you know, like if you had a big fence on.
Speaker 1: I mean a big, big turkey best on.
Speaker 4: I remember hunting, my son, Hunter and I were crawling
Speaker 4: into a turkey in Missouri and we were trying to
Speaker 4: slip down this hill. The turkey was on behind the
Speaker 4: big clay root and I dropped my vest. He took
Speaker 4: his off. He was just a little kid. We crawled
Speaker 4: down there. We got set up and the turkey was
Speaker 4: still behind that clay root and Hunter said, he's like nine.
Speaker 4: He said, well, I mean that's what we had. That decoy.
Speaker 4: It was in your vest up there right now we
Speaker 4: could stick out here.
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, that's a great that is
Speaker 3: a great idea.
Speaker 6: You know, if you're on another guy's property and you
Speaker 6: got an orange vest on, that's not too good, Well
Speaker 6: you can kind of sneak around if you're in cameo
Speaker 6: would not be seen.
Speaker 1: But it wasn't orange. It was a turkey vest. Oh,
Speaker 1: turkey vest Okay, yeah, it was a turkey best okay, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Things will never know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, uh, I I said that I always go
Speaker 1: every time Andy's on, I kind of go on and
Speaker 1: on about Andy.
Speaker 3: Everybody.
Speaker 1: Everybody has heard that, so it might be getting old
Speaker 1: me talking about Andy. But I'll tell you, I've traveled
Speaker 1: the country trying to find Andy Brown's and they're there,
Speaker 1: and there's many that I have not found, don't get
Speaker 1: me wrong. And I've talked to many men who were
Speaker 1: incredible turkey storytellers. But I found that even really good
Speaker 1: turkey hunters have two or three really great stories.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: I mean that that are that are kinda and this
Speaker 1: kind of stories that we're looking for are not are
Speaker 1: are unusual in that we're looking for, you know, some
Speaker 1: just something that makes it just a great story. And honestly,
Speaker 1: I have one good turkey story. And I'm not a
Speaker 1: great turkey hunter. I've spent a good part of my
Speaker 1: life turkey hunt. I've got one good story, the Lightning Bird,
Speaker 1: and I tell it all the time. You've told it,
Speaker 1: You've told it many times.
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, it is a good story.
Speaker 1: And and but here's my point about Andy is like
Speaker 1: that story that he told about the thirty six inches
Speaker 1: of beard and all this that was like his like
Speaker 1: P story A B C D E F G H
Speaker 1: I j K elemental P like his a story with
Speaker 1: I mean, he just he did, he just he just
Speaker 1: has lots of stories and and and and he can
Speaker 1: tell a story that's uh, just about a normal hunt.
Speaker 1: And I always try to dissect what he does, and
Speaker 1: you can't replicate it. You can't learn anything from it.
Speaker 1: The first guy that tries to go tell a story
Speaker 1: like someone else, you know, kind of becomes kind of
Speaker 1: inauthentic in a way. But you know, uh, but Andy,
Speaker 1: they just they're group of hunters which Dad and I
Speaker 1: grew up around. Uh or Dad would have been a
Speaker 1: peer of Andy. Andy's son is a good friend of mine.
Speaker 1: They all tell stories like Andy and and they and
Speaker 1: they don't do it for show. I mean it's like
Speaker 1: really a big part of their their camps and uh,
Speaker 1: and I mean I don't think anybody ever told them
Speaker 1: they were special until we started recording Andy and and
Speaker 1: I knew Scott was always just a great storyteller, his
Speaker 1: son and just the you know, and they all have.
Speaker 1: Steve Vanella is the one who said he Steve loves
Speaker 1: Andy Brown. And Steve said, Andy Brown sure always knows
Speaker 1: which direction stuff's coming from, because in any any Andy story,
Speaker 1: he's like, we went out to the east of the mountain,
Speaker 1: and we came back and the bird was coming up
Speaker 1: the south leg, and then we turned west and I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, just like this, and and I know exactly
Speaker 1: where I feel like And if if Andy's listening to this,
Speaker 1: he can he could he could comment on on this.
Speaker 1: But uh, when I was just a young man interacting
Speaker 1: with his Andy's son Scott, it's getting complicated.
Speaker 5: I thinks are complex enough to when generation.
Speaker 1: I noticed that in Scott's stories is that he always
Speaker 1: like wanted to and we were from the same area,
Speaker 1: and so he always wanted to orient me to write
Speaker 1: where he was like just precisely. And and I think
Speaker 1: they learned that from their their one of their uncles
Speaker 1: who just knew every crack and crevice of that county.
Speaker 1: And then it kind of was a way to just
Speaker 1: like communicate they knew the land.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: It adds to the story, to the to someone who's
Speaker 4: familiar with it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And I mean and being and using the cardinal directions
Speaker 4: instead of exact data when telling it to the general public.
Speaker 4: It also includes them in that as well. Yeah, because
Speaker 4: they can they get an idea, they can see in
Speaker 4: their head. They may not know exactly where he's at,
Speaker 4: but they know if he said I was facing north
Speaker 4: and then I turned around and went and then then
Speaker 4: I turned and went west, they know he turned to.
Speaker 3: His left and went that way. Yeah.
Speaker 4: He just kind of a good story, plays like a
Speaker 4: little movie.
Speaker 3: In your head.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I Actually, when Andy's first started telling me stories, I
Speaker 1: had to tell him not to give specific location.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: He'd tell the name of the mountain and the ridge
Speaker 1: and the road, and I would be like, Hey, I
Speaker 1: don't think you want.
Speaker 3: To do that.
Speaker 7: Yea, Hey, yeah, you told me you can't ever go
Speaker 7: back there?
Speaker 1: Really, Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah. Dad used to not like
Speaker 1: for people to tell him where they were hunting because
Speaker 1: then in his mind, that would be a big area
Speaker 1: blocked off that like he wouldn't want to go, but.
Speaker 3: He wanted to come by accident.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So No, I always love AI's stories there Therebell,
Speaker 1: And he's at some point we're actually going to have
Speaker 1: a special episode that's gonna come out next week that's
Speaker 1: not a Turkey Stories, but we're gonna later do another
Speaker 1: Turkey Stories this spring. And and he's got another great
Speaker 1: little story. It's just as about four minutes long as
Speaker 1: I don't I don't even know what level it is,
Speaker 1: but it's it's a good one. It's a good one, okay.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: It involves throwing sticks at predators to get them to
Speaker 1: run away. Little little teaser. Oh man, Yeah, yeah, Misty,
Speaker 1: what was your favorite story?
Speaker 2: Well, I know this is going to surprise y'all.
Speaker 5: No, I thought that last story was just that's the
Speaker 5: one that you were saying was the best turkey hunting
Speaker 5: story ever. Right, That's that's how as advertised. And I
Speaker 5: thought it was a good story. I mean, we had
Speaker 5: a conversation this week about Clay and his grandpa and
Speaker 5: their relationship. And one of the questions I asked him
Speaker 5: was like, and I was trying to get a sense
Speaker 5: of because I've been around, I was around your grandpa,
Speaker 5: and he wasn't just like always talking, you know, I
Speaker 5: mean he was, he was very pleasant. But Clay has
Speaker 5: just so many advice, so much advice that he got
Speaker 5: from his grandpa that he's always sharing with the kids
Speaker 5: and anything from sorghum molasses and butter to you know,
Speaker 5: work ethic and things like that. And and I was
Speaker 5: I was like, tell me, I wanted to understand the
Speaker 5: context and and play it. A lot of the reason
Speaker 5: he got those stories was because he was with him,
Speaker 5: he was hunting with them like that. That's where those
Speaker 5: stories came from. And I just thought about that Ned
Speaker 5: and his son, med Med and his son, and and
Speaker 5: just the gift that it is too to be able
Speaker 5: to to share, to share this with with your kids,
Speaker 5: and and to share that and have those opportunities. And
Speaker 5: even after his son dies, you know, he goes back
Speaker 5: and and it's almost like it it kept giving and
Speaker 5: and and brought closure and an ability to grieve, and
Speaker 5: because you hear him struggling to even want to go
Speaker 5: hunting because of because of what was lost, but then
Speaker 5: inside there and to come full circle, you know, the
Speaker 5: environment they're in is bigger than what you can measure,
Speaker 5: and and and see there's there's a lot going on.
Speaker 5: And and he looks down and he sees that shell.
Speaker 5: That's that's a pretty incredible story.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the way describe that turkey mm hmm in that context,
Speaker 1: you know when we when we talk about turkeys in
Speaker 1: full strut, like you kind of see this image of
Speaker 1: this oil painting, you know, at a National Wild Turkey
Speaker 1: Federation event, of this big gobbler strutting in front of
Speaker 1: two or three hens with the sun coming down on him,
Speaker 1: and and and that's what Mad described it. I could
Speaker 1: just see it, like, uh, you know, he did a
Speaker 1: he did a good job of describing that and how
Speaker 1: how beautiful it was. And then and then the fact
Speaker 1: that he said that he got his spirit back and
Speaker 1: just kind of brought it full circle, you know, And uh,
Speaker 1: I said, I I said, you know, the way people
Speaker 1: talk about Mad Palmer down Mississippi is that like he's
Speaker 1: the best turkey others ever lived. And you know, I
Speaker 1: was kind of tongue in cheek obviously, I've never had
Speaker 1: it with mad uh and and there's a lot of
Speaker 1: great turkey hunters, but I'm pretty sure he's he on
Speaker 1: a good year. He's involved in calling up twenty five
Speaker 1: or thirty turkeys for easy. He a year is a
Speaker 1: great guy watching thirty turkeys get killed.
Speaker 3: Most years, he works a lot with wounded veterans, and
Speaker 3: so he takes a lot of wounded veterans hunting, hunting
Speaker 3: and kids turkey hunting. Yeah, it's not uncommon for him
Speaker 3: to call up twenty five to fifty birds for people.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Keith Pope went on and on about it. He
Speaker 4: and I were talking Keith's turkey hunter down. Yeah that
Speaker 4: like's going to ride in and say, Keith thinking near
Speaker 4: the turkey.
Speaker 3: Hunter that he is.
Speaker 4: But but Keith just goes. He says, Man, that dude
Speaker 4: is the real deal. Yeah, that's pretty good bona fides
Speaker 4: for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Yeah, Well I thought I thought it was
Speaker 1: a strong episode. Yeah, I thought it was a strong.
Speaker 3: Fantastic story. Yep.
Speaker 1: I'm tempted to tell what jan what Jannis Putellus said
Speaker 1: about it, but I don't want this to be a uh.
Speaker 1: I've getting a lot of feedback on the film and episode.
Speaker 1: Thing between me and the honis so y'all just leave
Speaker 1: that out.
Speaker 2: Was it positive or negative?
Speaker 1: It was I. I just texted him and I was like, hey,
Speaker 1: this is this is such a great episode and uh
Speaker 1: and he would I won't tell you what he said.
Speaker 1: He loved med story, he said, he said, as as promised,
Speaker 1: Big time delivered, Big Time delivered. Bar you got your
Speaker 1: bowfish and bow here yep. I finished it up. So
Speaker 1: this is a this is a bear made that bow
Speaker 1: out of o sage.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: This is showed the tree the tree, yep. This is
Speaker 1: the boa showed last time with the sturgeon skins. But
Speaker 1: I put moose leather from Heather Duville up in Alaska.
Speaker 2: She sent me that ak ak moosey yep.
Speaker 1: And uh threw a big old muzzy reel on there
Speaker 1: and it I took it out last night. It shoots
Speaker 1: really good. I mean, like you can shoot I don't know.
Speaker 1: I shot some really far shots at fish and it
Speaker 1: would just like fling that air out there and you
Speaker 1: could you could actually realistically kill a fish from pretty
Speaker 1: far away.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we are you shooting at carp?
Speaker 1: Yeah, big carb, big grass cart. Unfortunately, I didn't get
Speaker 1: any in the boat, but it kind of had a
Speaker 1: broadhead issue. Yeah yeah, but uh yeah, but that reeal
Speaker 1: comes on and off, so it's a bow fishing bow.
Speaker 1: You take the reel off and you can hunt with it.
Speaker 2: Yep, I appreciate the artwork.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got a fishbone. Yeah, yeah, I think it's
Speaker 1: I think it is now time to move on to
Speaker 1: the the matter at hand. Are you all ready?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Hold on, astrology, Yeah, we got.
Speaker 1: That's not it. That's not it. I'm not sure that
Speaker 1: was the best. I would like for the first time too,
Speaker 1: to show this. I have in my hand very nice.
Speaker 1: That is the Bear Grease Hall of Fame plaque.
Speaker 3: Very good.
Speaker 1: And the names on this board are Holy Colliery. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, thanks for running the moment. Okay, sorry, So
Speaker 1: the guy that made the made this for us mistook
Speaker 1: Wholk Caller for Holy Collier. So basically we have.
Speaker 3: We have a duplicate made. We just need to put we.
Speaker 1: Have a Bear Grease Hall of Fame plaque that will
Speaker 1: hang in the office and uh we we We started
Speaker 1: the Bear Grease Hall of Fame about three years ago.
Speaker 1: As we started doing these deep dives into these characters.
Speaker 1: Some alive, some dead, and we just I mean, the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame like created itself. You know, it was
Speaker 1: just because you do some stories that are great, but
Speaker 1: then some stories are just you just are just so good.
Speaker 1: It's like, we've got we've got to have a hall
Speaker 1: of fame about this and let me, let me, let
Speaker 1: me do. Let me do one thing first of all,
Speaker 1: pass Oh, I want to go through the current members
Speaker 1: of the Bear Grease Hall of Fame. And this is
Speaker 1: important because I'm going to I'm going to present for
Speaker 1: possible induction at least two oh potentially three. We've not
Speaker 1: and we don't do this willy nilly. You know, We've
Speaker 1: had I don't know how many original Bear Grease episodes,
Speaker 1: probably one hundred plus Bear Grease episodes.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, pretty close.
Speaker 1: So the first is Daniel Boone. Daniel Boone is in
Speaker 1: our Hall of Fame as an American frontiersman, archetype and backwoodsman,
Speaker 1: called himself a backwoodsman. There's so much about Boone and
Speaker 1: that was one of the first historical series we did
Speaker 1: that really took off. The second guy here and these
Speaker 1: are not in any order particularly, but this was just
Speaker 1: the first couple of inductions is a man named Warner
Speaker 1: Glenn from Arizona. He's got to be one of the
Speaker 1: oldest living working cowboys in America. Warner's over ninety now.
Speaker 1: And I communicated with his daughter the other day and
Speaker 1: he's been dry ground line hunting this week.
Speaker 3: On Mules tough as Tarzan's feet.
Speaker 1: Yep, exactly. And we did a series on Warner Glenn,
Speaker 1: and you know he's dry ground line hunter and rancher
Speaker 1: out in Arizona. Roy Clark, Tennessee plot man. Roy Clark
Speaker 1: is a quintessential Southern Appalachian hill billy bear hunter. If
Speaker 1: if Roy Clark has killed load bears in his group,
Speaker 1: probably as many as anybody alive today. I mean, those
Speaker 1: guys are bear hunters, and Roy if you remember from
Speaker 1: the series that I did with them, the iconic moment,
Speaker 1: and I wish we could have captured it and put
Speaker 1: it on a shirt or a hat or and perhaps
Speaker 1: the time has been lost. But when Roy Clark was
Speaker 1: in the fourth grade, his buddy wrote him a Valentine's card.
Speaker 1: They had to give Valentine's cards to all the people
Speaker 1: in their class, and his buddy wrote a card that said,
Speaker 1: we bear hunters, ain't we Roy and Roy when he
Speaker 1: said that at age seventy two on that podcast, like
Speaker 1: his eyes almost teared up and he remembered that and
Speaker 1: it was just this. He was like, we're bear hunters,
Speaker 1: We're bear hunters. Roy Clark is a bear hunt George mcjunkin.
Speaker 1: George mcjunkin was a former slave that that became a
Speaker 1: He owned land out west, but he discovered the Falsom Site,
Speaker 1: the Falsom Archaeological Site, which unlocked the American story to
Speaker 1: the Pleistocene to the Stone Age. Before George mcjunkin found
Speaker 1: those bison bones, the smartest people in the world thought
Speaker 1: that humans had only been in America for about three
Speaker 1: thousand years. George mcjunkin in nineteen oh eight found these
Speaker 1: bones and begged people to come out and look at
Speaker 1: these bones. Nobody ever came until the three months after
Speaker 1: he died, like in the nineteen twenties, and finally they
Speaker 1: were like, well, I guess we ought to go look
Speaker 1: at that, and they went out there and it was
Speaker 1: the greatest at the time, the greatest archaeological discovery in
Speaker 1: American history. George mcjunkin. Fulsom Place is full of turkeys
Speaker 1: all over the contact got to apply for tactams twenty years.
Speaker 1: Frederick Gershtacker, he is a German guy that came to
Speaker 1: Arkansas in eighteen thirty seven and was here for seven years.
Speaker 1: He wrote a book called Wild Sport. It's a very
Speaker 1: formative book that I read years and years ago. Had
Speaker 1: a dog named Bear Grease. And Frederick Gershacker was essentially
Speaker 1: involved in market hunting, but was just the epitome of
Speaker 1: why people came to the New World during that time
Speaker 1: for adventure hunting and for market hunting. And he in
Speaker 1: his time recognized the wastefulness of market hunting and actually
Speaker 1: wrote about it, and it was kind of a little
Speaker 1: bit ahead of his time, even though he participated in
Speaker 1: it to some degree. He came to Arkansas to kill
Speaker 1: a bison. That's why he came here. He wanted to
Speaker 1: kill a bison, and he did. He killed a woodland
Speaker 1: bison in Arkansas in the in the eighteen I think
Speaker 1: the eighteen forties. His dog's name was Bear's Grease. Did
Speaker 1: I tell you that yet?
Speaker 3: Okay? So that was the.
Speaker 1: First time I saw the two words bearing grease together
Speaker 1: was in his book. So Frederick gersher The Death of Erskine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that was probably to this day some people would
Speaker 1: think that that was one of the their favorite episodes,
Speaker 1: the Death of a Bear Hunter, which was like the
Speaker 1: third or fourth episode we ever did. And I read
Speaker 1: just read part of his book about the death of
Speaker 1: his friend Erskine. It was really incredible. Or Lee Provence man,
Speaker 1: there's a category. There is a category of people in
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame who are unknown, not not didn't
Speaker 1: have some influence on America. They weren't authors, but they
Speaker 1: just represented a way of life and kind of stood
Speaker 1: against the trend the age. And or Province is just
Speaker 1: a classic Ozark hardworking logger, hillbilly. I mean, I interviewed
Speaker 1: him when he was ninety two years old, and the
Speaker 1: month after I interviewed him he died. He spent his
Speaker 1: whole life in the logging woods, growing tomatoes, chicken farming,
Speaker 1: and he killed two big bucks in the nineteen sixties
Speaker 1: that were over scored over one hundred and eighty inches
Speaker 1: two weeks apart and public land way out in Ozarks.
Speaker 1: And Ori was just he just had a quality about
Speaker 1: him that I just was like, this guy. I'll never
Speaker 1: meet another guy quite like this. And Orley Province is
Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame. Holy Collier Callier man. People
Speaker 1: talk to me about Hot Collier almost weekly, and we
Speaker 1: did a series on him.
Speaker 4: He was.
Speaker 1: Enslaved, lived his early part of his life as a
Speaker 1: slave in Mississippi, came out of that and was a
Speaker 1: market hunter. Was credited with killing over three thousand bears
Speaker 1: with dogs and the Mississippi swamps. But the main thing
Speaker 1: that he did that put him on the map was
Speaker 1: he guided Teddy Roosevelt on the famous bear hunt that
Speaker 1: the Teddy Bear was coined because Hulk Callier lasso de
Speaker 1: bear that was being bade by dogs, tied it to
Speaker 1: a tree, went and got the President and said, Sarah,
Speaker 1: have your bear for you to kill, and Roosevelt refused
Speaker 1: to kill a tied bear. And it became this like
Speaker 1: global phenomena of people writing about it, and they created
Speaker 1: the Teddy Bear. Holt Callier maybe one of the will
Speaker 1: the stories we've ever told. And what was so unique
Speaker 1: about it too, was it was it was an untold
Speaker 1: story in a way. Minor First Buchanan wrote an incredible
Speaker 1: book about Holt and and Mina First became that is
Speaker 1: alive today as a lawyer in Jackson, Mississippi, and he
Speaker 1: basically just years ago started he'd heard little things about
Speaker 1: Holt and went and started just doing research, and there
Speaker 1: was very little written about him. And so he writes
Speaker 1: this comprehensive book about Halt Collier's life and just just incredible.
Speaker 1: I mean, if we could find stories like that, I mean,
Speaker 1: we just do stories like that. The last guy on
Speaker 1: the board right now is Takeumpsa, and Tkeumpsa was a
Speaker 1: Shawnee Ward leader, wasn't even a chief. Considered by some
Speaker 1: based upon the impact of his words. We have no
Speaker 1: recording of what he said, but based upon the way
Speaker 1: that people responded to him speaking, he's considered by many
Speaker 1: historians as one of the greatest orators in American history.
Speaker 1: We've never heard him. I think that's interesting. It's like,
Speaker 1: it's not what you sound like, but it's what the
Speaker 1: effects of what you say cause people to do, you know,
Speaker 1: and uh, but to come. So he's he He and
Speaker 1: his brother Tinsquatawa ten Squintawa had ten Squintawa was considered
Speaker 1: a prophet, and he believed that he heard that they
Speaker 1: were not supposed to integrate with with Europeans that were coming,
Speaker 1: and they put up the the longest lasting, largest resistance
Speaker 1: to the American expansion of any Native American tribe, and
Speaker 1: Tokumsa gathered the largest army, and that's disputed in some
Speaker 1: at times, but but comes heck of a guy. That's
Speaker 1: where we're at. Okay, there have been two. So to
Speaker 1: qualify to be in the Beargreas Hall of Fame, we
Speaker 1: have to do a Burgrease podcast about you number one.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's kind of the way it goes.
Speaker 2: It's like, I can't be in there.
Speaker 1: You would be a shoe.
Speaker 3: We'd have to do would he would.
Speaker 1: Be a shoe in? Gary would be a shoe in?
Speaker 1: Brent would be a shoe in Oh, of course Bear
Speaker 1: would be a shoe in. Nope, Bear's too young, too long.
Speaker 3: He just started drinking koffee thing.
Speaker 1: So we did a series two years ago. And I
Speaker 1: want to have a discussion around the man named David Crockett.
Speaker 1: I never heard of him, and he will be I
Speaker 1: want to have a little discussion and I'm going to
Speaker 1: give a little pitch and I want to hear what
Speaker 1: y'all say. There's some controversy around Crockett being in the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. My friend Steve Ranella. When he hears
Speaker 1: Daniel Boone and Davy Crockett in the same sentence compared
Speaker 1: to each other, he chuckles and he says, there's no comparison.
Speaker 1: Boone and Crockett are completely different. And the one reason
Speaker 1: he says that, and I kind of I don't buy
Speaker 1: it completely is Renella And this would be the only
Speaker 1: thing that would stand against Crockett. This is probably bad
Speaker 1: that I'm starting out with the negatives, gonna.
Speaker 2: Here's why you shouldn't vote for him.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know they I just want us to
Speaker 1: be sure, is uh. Crockett was probably a little bit
Speaker 1: enamored with himself and his fame show Bot. He even
Speaker 1: in his autobiography when you read it, there was it's
Speaker 1: kind of like that became the hedgemnd later in his life.
Speaker 1: Now he died when he was like forty six or
Speaker 1: forty seven. I can't remember exactly how old he was
Speaker 1: when he died. He died in eighteen thirty six. But
Speaker 1: he it kind of gets under your skin, just a
Speaker 1: just a hair. And he went to a play, and
Speaker 1: this is what gets Steve Ranella. He went to his
Speaker 1: own play in New York City and basically kind of
Speaker 1: took the accolade. There was a there was a play
Speaker 1: that was put on and the main character was essentially
Speaker 1: David Crockett in his lifetime, but they didn't call him
Speaker 1: David Crockett. They called him Nimrod Wildfire. But clearly the
Speaker 1: man who was Nimrod Wildfire was Crockett. Crockett had so
Speaker 1: much global fame. Crockett was like the first big time
Speaker 1: American celebrity was a bear hunter America. Are you listening
Speaker 1: to me? The first many, not just not just hunters
Speaker 1: say this, but like historians say, one of the first
Speaker 1: true global national celebrities was David Crockett, King of the
Speaker 1: Wild Frontier. That's right, and but but do you see
Speaker 1: that kind of the self aggrandizement of just a touch
Speaker 1: with Crockett?
Speaker 3: It's down you've been holding that one in your pocket?
Speaker 3: What's that?
Speaker 1: I should have said that first you hit me? And
Speaker 1: they had like a but listen to this, y'all ready
Speaker 1: for this. He died when he was forty five. I
Speaker 1: think he would have worked through it. I think I
Speaker 1: think if we'd have seen a Crockett boone lived till
Speaker 1: he was eighty four. Crockett lived till he was forty five,
Speaker 1: and he had he came from abject poverty to national
Speaker 1: fame to potentially even be in the president of the
Speaker 1: United States. They were going to put him as President
Speaker 1: of the United States, and this country boy had no
Speaker 1: ability to I mean, it just takes time for someone
Speaker 1: to kind of walk through that level of like notoriety,
Speaker 1: and he was kind of enamored with it.
Speaker 3: And so I.
Speaker 1: I want to give him a little bit of sympathy
Speaker 1: inside of that, because again that's what Steve would discredit
Speaker 1: him for and be like, you don't need Crockett in there,
Speaker 1: and Steve didn't say that, but Steve's not here and
Speaker 1: you you might not be here.
Speaker 6: He hears about.
Speaker 1: Stella is listening, please send me an email. Let's see,
Speaker 1: let's see how this goes. But but basically what Crockett
Speaker 1: did is is he he became a state representative and
Speaker 1: he was in political office, and he gained national fame
Speaker 1: and then he ends up dying in the Alamo in
Speaker 1: a war that he probably shouldn't have even been in
Speaker 1: in America. Has made it like he was going down
Speaker 1: there because he was a patriot and all this, I mean,
Speaker 1: he it wasn't even an American war.
Speaker 5: He was a little bit rejected by by his own
Speaker 5: people for his stance on Native American lands.
Speaker 1: That was a big part of it. Yeah, and that
Speaker 1: that is also Do you think.
Speaker 2: He would have worked through it because he experienced suffering?
Speaker 1: He uh, he experienced a lot of suffering in his life.
Speaker 1: He lost a wife and he.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. When Andrew Jackson came out with the Indian Removal
Speaker 1: Act of eighteen thirty, it would have been in his
Speaker 1: favor politically to get behind that, but he chose to
Speaker 1: make a big stance in saying, no, this is wrong
Speaker 1: with these people. And I appreciated that. What do y'all think?
Speaker 1: What do you think, Brent?
Speaker 4: I mean just I think no, I think all the
Speaker 4: stuff about him being full of himself or whatever his conjecture,
Speaker 4: you got to look at the facts of what he did,
Speaker 4: whether he was at the Alamo because he took a
Speaker 4: wrong turn in Albuquerque or however he got there. You
Speaker 4: look at it at what he stood for his stance
Speaker 4: on Native American lands. I think the positive outweigh the
Speaker 4: conjecture or the focus that put on his celebrity, because
Speaker 4: a lot of times when you have a detractor. Someone's
Speaker 4: talking bad about somebody, it's out of jealousy, a position
Speaker 4: of like, uh, you know, he's not superior to me,
Speaker 4: so I'm going to cast the spursions at him. And
Speaker 4: so I think you got a look at the at
Speaker 4: what he did and what he stood for, and if
Speaker 4: he stood for what was going on down there in
Speaker 4: the Alamo and for the Native Americans, that's good enough
Speaker 4: for me in a time where that was it wasn't
Speaker 4: like taking a stand now, you know. I mean he
Speaker 4: was doing it when there he had no other allies
Speaker 4: other than the folks that were being persecuted, who had
Speaker 4: nothing to stand on to begin with. I mean that
Speaker 4: was when them folks got to the Alamo down there,
Speaker 4: I mean they were peeing in the wind, thinking they
Speaker 4: were going to win that one. It was not going
Speaker 4: to come out good. And yet they stayed and fought
Speaker 4: it out to the last man. Whether or not we
Speaker 4: had we had the big debate on whether he went
Speaker 4: down swinging.
Speaker 3: Or got captured. Yeah, but regardless, he was there. Yeah,
Speaker 3: So that's a that's a positive for me.
Speaker 1: Crockett also had a lot of influence on American politics.
Speaker 1: He was the first so imagine world politics, like coming
Speaker 1: out of Europe and there were these aristocratic, highly educated,
Speaker 1: uh wealthy people that ran governments across the world. This
Speaker 1: is simplification, but you could almost put a period after that,
Speaker 1: like the aristocracy ran the world. We came over to
Speaker 1: America and we kind of liked to have this idea
Speaker 1: that things were different, but honestly, things were quite a
Speaker 1: bit the same. I mean, Washington and Franklin and all
Speaker 1: these guys. They were not just like average guys that
Speaker 1: were out there shoet horses and stuff. You know, these
Speaker 1: guys had money. Crockett was the first populist, folk backwoods
Speaker 1: politician that brought something up that's still here today. He
Speaker 1: was the first guy. They called him the man from
Speaker 1: the cane and the cane, referring to the great cane
Speaker 1: thickets that they hunted bear. It was a derogatory term
Speaker 1: that one of the elites in the Tennessee legislator called
Speaker 1: him when he was a young politician. He said, how
Speaker 1: about the gentleman from the cane tell us it basically
Speaker 1: was like the hill billy from the sticks. Why don't
Speaker 1: we let him talk? And Crockett comes back in the
Speaker 1: next day wearing a big. He's wearing his buckskins, but
Speaker 1: a ruffle like these guys wore that. He was a
Speaker 1: fashion trend to wear those big, like roughly necklaces. And
Speaker 1: he came in and made a laughing stock of the
Speaker 1: those guys, and and and spoke very off the cuff,
Speaker 1: very informal. He spoke like the people spoke. And he
Speaker 1: became and he became America's first populist backwoods politician. And
Speaker 1: today that's how people win politics in this country. Not always,
Speaker 1: but but they but they appeal to the common man
Speaker 1: and they say, I'm one of you. I'm not from
Speaker 1: the elite, you know. So anyway, Crockett had a ton
Speaker 1: of influence on the idea of what America was. And
Speaker 1: so Bear anybody else have any thoughts on Crockett before
Speaker 1: we officially nominate him as a as a Bear Grease
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. I mean, I think of backwoods politician
Speaker 1: from what from what you described, I don't think that
Speaker 1: I at that time would have been listening to any podcasts.
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, I never really listened to
Speaker 1: that podcast. From what you described, I'd say, he's okay.
Speaker 1: I would like hereby as the is there anything I
Speaker 1: should put my right hand on. Put it on the
Speaker 1: sound of the bear track, the bear track. I'm going
Speaker 1: to place my right hand on the bear track. And
Speaker 1: I would like to officially nominate David Crockett as inducted
Speaker 1: into the Bear Grease Hall of Fame. Could we have
Speaker 1: a show of hands for all people that I was like,
Speaker 1: you got a second second? Em all right, raise your
Speaker 1: hand if you would. Let's let's do an eye.
Speaker 2: I think we should do my voice. This is a podcast.
Speaker 1: Everybody, everybody that a favor say I. All oppositions say nay.
Speaker 1: Eyes have it. David Crockett inducted into the Gratulations.
Speaker 3: Where are your hat?
Speaker 1: Just really got to get these buttons worked out.
Speaker 3: There?
Speaker 1: I go, okay, okay, wow, it feels really great. This
Speaker 1: has been a long time coming. Crockett's in.
Speaker 4: Now, what is Davy Crockett, David Crockett or Holy Crockett.
Speaker 2: I don't think you should be Holy. I think that's.
Speaker 3: Dodge Crockett.
Speaker 1: He will go in. It's David Crockett. Okay, yeah, David Crockett. Okay.
Speaker 1: Moving on second order of business. I would like to
Speaker 1: consider and I find this very interesting that yesterday I
Speaker 1: got this in the mail with no return address. I
Speaker 1: have no idea who sent this, but somehow they got
Speaker 1: the address to the headquarters here and they sent me
Speaker 1: this sticker. Came in the mail yesterday, the fla I
Speaker 1: got it, I got it, got it. Oh, how cool
Speaker 1: is that?
Speaker 3: That's pretty cool?
Speaker 2: Pretty cool?
Speaker 3: Huh? That is Granny Henderson.
Speaker 1: Avid Barnes Henderson. I I think Granny deserves a spot
Speaker 1: in the Beargeris Hall of Fame. Granny Grannie Henderson was
Speaker 1: a core character in our Buffalo River series. And so
Speaker 1: Granny Henderson was born in the in the eighteen nineties
Speaker 1: and she died in the late nineteen seventies, and she
Speaker 1: was the last person on the Buffalo River, one of
Speaker 1: the last holdouts on the Buffalo River. When when the
Speaker 1: National Park System came in and acquired the ninety five
Speaker 1: thousand acres that now make up the Buffalo National River,
Speaker 1: we did we did a series that just was it
Speaker 1: was I'm still torn to this day because the series
Speaker 1: clearly was geared towards telling the story of the people
Speaker 1: that lost land. That land was essentially taken from the Yeah,
Speaker 1: they were paid land, they were paid for it. But Granny,
Speaker 1: her house is still intact and is in the center
Speaker 1: of the Buffalo River Wilderness and people go there. We've
Speaker 1: been there, and I spoke with Grannie's Granny's daughter, who
Speaker 1: was just a delightful lady who told me stories all
Speaker 1: about Granny and yeah, Jane Kilgore, Yeah.
Speaker 3: And.
Speaker 1: Granny was a symbol of resistance. And on the podcast
Speaker 1: we called her a martyr because she died within three
Speaker 1: months of being moved out of the house that her
Speaker 1: and her husband built in the early nineteen hundreds. She
Speaker 1: got married when she was real young. They built a
Speaker 1: house down on the Buffalo River in just this incredible place,
Speaker 1: and she didn't want to move. And her husband died
Speaker 1: years and years before and and finally, I mean Granny
Speaker 1: was in her eighties and every all her neighbors were gone,
Speaker 1: everybody was gone, and the family just was like, Granny,
Speaker 1: I think you just need to sell. And she she
Speaker 1: had gotten a lawyer and had was word you know
Speaker 1: it could, tried to litigate it in court to be
Speaker 1: able to keep her land that her parents had bought
Speaker 1: her and and and finally they said, Granny, you just
Speaker 1: need to you just need to go. And the park
Speaker 1: built her a house like a mile away on top
Speaker 1: of the mountain near the county road, built her a
Speaker 1: new house, gave her a dishwasher and a washing machine,
Speaker 1: and she went into that house and stayed there one
Speaker 1: night and said I can't do it, and she went
Speaker 1: and stayed with her and three months later she died
Speaker 1: and they say she died of a broken heart. And
Speaker 1: uh in in in the in the series, what was
Speaker 1: so cool? And this is something that I'd never heard,
Speaker 1: but we we got this original recording of an interview
Speaker 1: with Granny and we got to hear her talk and
Speaker 1: hear her voice and it was just really cool. And
Speaker 1: what thoughts on Granny Henderson being in the bear Ground.
Speaker 3: I'm one hundred percent for it because I think that
Speaker 3: I think she, but not only she, but her way
Speaker 3: of life is iconic to to who we are as Americans,
Speaker 3: and that that icon is fading in the distance, and
Speaker 3: so I think she is a woman who can represent
Speaker 3: that way of life in this and so I'm one
Speaker 3: hundred percent for it.
Speaker 1: M hm. And we got these great stickers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, mm hmm.
Speaker 5: I definitely I would second it out for sure. I Mean,
Speaker 5: I think that Granny carrying those big old things of
Speaker 5: water yea. At her age and hunting easter age.
Speaker 1: She got hit by a copperhead. Uh yeah, twice or
Speaker 1: four times.
Speaker 3: At least twice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's like I think twice, multiple times, multiple times
Speaker 1: she got bet by copperhead, never went to the doctor,
Speaker 1: fed the pigs to the pigs. Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: I just think she I agree with Josh.
Speaker 1: She is.
Speaker 2: She's iconic and and she deserves it.
Speaker 1: She deserves she deserves it.
Speaker 5: She represents not just about America, but also bear grease
Speaker 5: and kind of the heart of bears.
Speaker 1: She'll be our she'll be our first lady on here
Speaker 1: as well.
Speaker 4: Oh we ain't voted yet. Well, if she is, we
Speaker 4: we are. We just taking her for consideration. Now I'm
Speaker 4: calling for a vote.
Speaker 1: I have a man that's called for a vote.
Speaker 3: A second.
Speaker 1: Record show everyone who would like stick.
Speaker 2: Around about parliamentary procedure, and I appreciate.
Speaker 3: That I get the chance to do it right.
Speaker 1: That's right, all right, everybody who would like to induct
Speaker 1: induct Ava Barnes Henderson, also known as Granny Henderson, also
Speaker 1: known as EV to the people on the river, I
Speaker 1: would like all them what am I.
Speaker 3: Supposed to say?
Speaker 1: All oppositions say Nay, we have it. Grannie Henderson. Granny
Speaker 1: Henderson is here. Yeah, there we go.
Speaker 3: This one's really getting the plot.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 1: I don't want it to look like we knew this
Speaker 1: was going to happen.
Speaker 2: But just just in case, you had.
Speaker 1: Just in case we had made Davy Crockett and Ava
Speaker 1: Granny Barnes Henderson's and it says Buffalo River Martyr, Like.
Speaker 2: What does what does David Crockett say?
Speaker 1: Tennessee backwoods?
Speaker 2: Tennessee's got some pretty good representation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Tennessee, Man, it's great place. I love Tennessee.
Speaker 2: And oh holy from Mississippi.
Speaker 1: Well, do y'all have anybody else that what about Astola? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Codered about question four part series Insola. Well, what's your pitch?
Speaker 1: Do you think he should be in the Hall of Fame?
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I think he's kind of like, uh.
Speaker 1: I think it's similar to like Daniel Boone and Davy
Speaker 1: Crockett would be to Cumsa in Ostola.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: I think I think everything that you've talked about for
Speaker 1: like Davy Crockett, his influence on the people kind of
Speaker 1: like just like rising up. I think Astola is like
Speaker 1: right there, the exact same thing. He just kind of
Speaker 1: rose up out of the Florida I guess it was
Speaker 1: just the Everglades or seminal territory down there, and then
Speaker 1: let a bunch of people. I think Osciola checks all
Speaker 1: the marks that the other people on the Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame checks.
Speaker 2: Like Granny he was a martyr.
Speaker 5: Yeah, carries the unique designation that Bear has listened to
Speaker 5: his podcast yep, hey.
Speaker 4: Sure, I want to go all four parts and saying
Speaker 4: that is anybody noticed Bear only used to say yep.
Speaker 4: And now he makes very valid points and sometimes he's talking.
Speaker 4: I wish he'd be quiet so I could say something outstand.
Speaker 7: It's very good.
Speaker 3: So so I'm not saying I disagree. The one the
Speaker 3: one question I have about Ostiola is that we don't
Speaker 3: know a whole lot about him. Like we know, we
Speaker 3: know like what happened to him, but we don't know
Speaker 3: necessarily what kind of character the man had. We don't
Speaker 3: know if he was.
Speaker 1: That's that's the Josh and I talked about this beforehand,
Speaker 1: and I don't well, I actually, what do you think, Brent?
Speaker 1: Did you do you remember much about the Ostiola series?
Speaker 4: I do remember, you know, the my favorite part of
Speaker 4: that was the lady that was doing the research.
Speaker 1: Doctor Wickman. Yeah, maybe we should induct doctor wick.
Speaker 3: Maybe we should.
Speaker 4: Uh it would I would probably have to go back
Speaker 4: and listen to some of them, But I mean, not
Speaker 4: everybody has John Anderson write a song about it.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: That is definitely a plain It's a big place. Do
Speaker 1: you remember much about Osciola Dad?
Speaker 3: Not a lot.
Speaker 6: I think he's worthy of being on there. But you know,
Speaker 6: if it came down to my vote, I'd like to
Speaker 6: listen to those podcasts again. But I think he's I
Speaker 6: think he's worthy.
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 6: We're talking about him. Yeah, embars for him.
Speaker 3: There's a difference between iconic and famous.
Speaker 5: You know, well, okay, I don't remember anything negative about
Speaker 5: his character.
Speaker 1: Well see, that's that's kind of just the point when
Speaker 1: you when I did the whole series on Ostiola, you
Speaker 1: come away with a lot of questions about who he
Speaker 1: actually was as compared to it tokumpsa or a crocodd
Speaker 1: or a boon You. Uh, we skipped James Lawrence.
Speaker 3: You did not, got it?
Speaker 1: I skipped James Lawrence.
Speaker 3: Shokes we got to talk about James definitely.
Speaker 1: I don't know how I did that Osciola. You you you,
Speaker 1: you really don't get a great picture of who he
Speaker 1: was us. There's not a lot recorded of like what
Speaker 1: he said, yeah, exactly, so there's a lot about what
Speaker 1: he did. Is his influence on people. You see little
Speaker 1: vignettes of of kind of maybe an interaction he had
Speaker 1: with someone, but he he's kind of obscure. You don't,
Speaker 1: you don't really you kind of see a shadow almost,
Speaker 1: you don't really see him. And that's the only reason
Speaker 1: that I wouldn't have initially just been like he's a
Speaker 1: shoe in. I felt like we knew who Tokumpsa was
Speaker 1: when we got done with That Comes to Series, because
Speaker 1: so much of what he said was actually written down,
Speaker 1: and then there were a lot of people that talked
Speaker 1: about him, that interacted with him. Osceola was such a
Speaker 1: renegade living in the Everglades that he did have a
Speaker 1: lot of interaction with Europeans and different things.
Speaker 4: But well, there's a reason why you have an honorable.
Speaker 3: M hmm.
Speaker 1: Interesting, maybe a second smaller plaque or back.
Speaker 2: On the side.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's if I were if I if I
Speaker 1: would say it's not for any fault of his but
Speaker 1: I just don't have. I just couldn't quite put my
Speaker 1: hands on him.
Speaker 5: It's tricky to me because by the same metrics, you know,
Speaker 5: you measure his impact and you measure to me. I
Speaker 5: think his perseverance is a measure of character, his his
Speaker 5: decision to stand against the tide and to and to resist.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think that is resistance.
Speaker 3: Resistance, Yeah, that's a big one. Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 2: Plus yeah, I have respect for that.
Speaker 3: And that's resistance against injustice, not just you aren't convincing
Speaker 3: to me now, not just resistance.
Speaker 5: And resistance against be bought out and being I mean,
Speaker 5: he resisted not just in justice, but also the lure
Speaker 5: of of wealth. I'm sure you know he had opportunity.
Speaker 1: To opportunity to sell out his lamb.
Speaker 2: And he didn't. And that's that says something.
Speaker 1: And and the Seminoles are still down here.
Speaker 3: I feel swayed now too. All the Texas just a
Speaker 3: little jabber.
Speaker 2: Jabber, Wow, Bear and I we're in. I think I
Speaker 2: can speak well.
Speaker 1: I would like I would like I would like to
Speaker 1: do something that only a true dictator could do. Is
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you Bear the authority to nominate him,
Speaker 1: and then we'll vote but you'll have to lead it.
Speaker 1: If you really feel like you should do this, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think we should. I think we should nominate him
Speaker 1: because I think it's based on when you went the resistant, like.
Speaker 3: Let them.
Speaker 1: Dictators choose when their friends get to see.
Speaker 3: No coffee, but you can speak.
Speaker 1: I mean I think like we maybe couldn't fully understand
Speaker 1: his character or anything, but I think you could look
Speaker 1: at like the product of his work and the impact
Speaker 1: that he had and can kind of assume that that
Speaker 1: didn't come from just like you know that that came
Speaker 1: from some really strong characteristics that are worth that you
Speaker 1: know could make him worthy of being on the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame. I think, even though we can't intually put
Speaker 1: our hand on it, I think you could look at
Speaker 1: the the like fruit of his life and see that
Speaker 1: it was it was correlated with the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: I think you're right traits and he isn't John Anderson
Speaker 1: song yeap.
Speaker 3: So along with that, what would his what would his
Speaker 3: descriptor be.
Speaker 1: Resistance? You know, we have to think about the words.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 1: He was not a heretical chief. He was just a
Speaker 1: war leader. He just the way those systems work. It's
Speaker 1: hard to even understand it, but they just rose based
Speaker 1: upon merit.
Speaker 4: I think it should be if it's approved, it is
Speaker 4: plain and simple.
Speaker 1: Osceola seminole, seminole and may leader of Seminole resistance. But
Speaker 1: to me, what what what he stood out there, like
Speaker 1: I kind of wanted to grab hold of, is that
Speaker 1: every single thing was telling them that they should give
Speaker 1: in and they could not win this fight. And yet
Speaker 1: you know, it ended up being five hundred of them
Speaker 1: that were resisting. The entire United States military. It had
Speaker 1: spent fifty million dollars over a twenty year period trying
Speaker 1: to get these these seminoles out of Florida, and they
Speaker 1: just finally were just like, you know what, just stay
Speaker 1: down there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so let's put it to a vote where.
Speaker 5: And you can't you can't fault Daniel Boone or Davy
Speaker 5: Crockett for being a guy who wanted Achel Aid didn't
Speaker 5: want to. You know, there's an argument to be made
Speaker 5: that Osiola we don't know much about him because.
Speaker 3: He oh wow, he didn't want thirty three.
Speaker 5: That's what I said. I said, because he didn't want
Speaker 5: much known about him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2: And it's almost got to give him.
Speaker 1: I wish Stirling Hard Joe were here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no kidding, he'd convince us all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and again. My initial reluctance was not anything
Speaker 1: against Ostiola. I just didn't quite feel like I know him.
Speaker 1: But now y'all have convinced me that I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't really have to know him to qualify here. Well, Barrett, okay,
Speaker 1: so I want you to do the official nomination and
Speaker 1: lead us here. We are officially nominating Osciola, leader of
Speaker 1: the Seminal Resistance. All in favor, say, I I.
Speaker 2: Didn't second.
Speaker 3: We need a second for this second?
Speaker 1: Okay, All in favor?
Speaker 3: Wait, I just what again we have to do to
Speaker 3: all the posts?
Speaker 1: OLLI post? Say nay, wow, we got real shocker. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Ostiola talk about James Lawrence. Yeah, I don't know how
Speaker 1: I missed James Lawrence. James Lawrence is my dear friend
Speaker 1: from from here in Arkansas. Just to me, he was
Speaker 1: uh he he. One of the first episodes of Bear
Speaker 1: Grease was about James, and to me, on a real
Speaker 1: personal level, he just kind of represented this this Arkansas backwoodsman,
Speaker 1: never asking for fame, never would have just kind of
Speaker 1: lived his life without much accolade, but just a really
Speaker 1: just loves just a true American sportsman and uh in
Speaker 1: a in a mentor to me and the kind of
Speaker 1: being Arkansas backwoodsman.
Speaker 3: So yeah, and the world would be a better place
Speaker 3: if there were more James Lawrence's out there there. Does
Speaker 3: it show on the plaque.
Speaker 1: It says Arkansas backwoodsman. Now, you wouldn't have wanted to
Speaker 1: have got on James wrong side back in the seventies.
Speaker 1: Let me just say that he did probably knock the
Speaker 1: teeth out, yeah, yeah, not yeah, he told me one
Speaker 1: time somebody made him mad and he rode his motorcycle
Speaker 1: down in their front yard and whooped him on their
Speaker 1: front porch.
Speaker 3: Then then definitely.
Speaker 1: Sometimes they just needed well productive meeting, productive meeting. Okay, well,
Speaker 1: well Josh, we got to get another. We got to
Speaker 1: get one for Austin.
Speaker 3: I'll get it, I'll get it, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So this is going to hang in a prominent
Speaker 1: place probably probably over here somewhere, but there we have it.
Speaker 1: Let's like it all right, all right, thanks guys for
Speaker 1: for listening. We uh today we did get Yeah, Brent,
Speaker 1: it's good to see you.
Speaker 3: Glad you're back, yes, sir.
Speaker 1: But uh, Misty, good to see you. Good to be here, everybody.
Speaker 1: The Oches keep the wild places wild because that's the
Speaker 3: Where the Ringers love