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Speaker 1: My name is Clay Neukleman. This is a production of

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Speaker 1: the Bear Grease podcast called The Bear Grease Render, where

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Speaker 1: we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the scenes

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Speaker 1: of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by f HF Gear,

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Speaker 1: American Maid, purpose built hunting and fishing gear that's designed

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Speaker 1: to be as rugged as the place as we explore.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, everybody, thank you, thank you, thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the bear Grease Render that we have. We've

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Speaker 1: talked about this render for a long time. We actually

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Speaker 1: got much of the original crew here. The Burger's Renders

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Speaker 1: been going on now for over three years, and uh,

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Speaker 1: you know that we always have different people that are

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Speaker 1: there's kind of some o gs and Gary Newcomb would

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Speaker 1: an o G. Brent's an original o G, Mistery's original

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Speaker 2: you're a new O G.

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Speaker 1: Original original gotcha? Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. It's

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Speaker 1: should have said m M. But there's there's we've got

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Speaker 1: we've got. Let me just start off with the with

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Speaker 1: the agenda we're gonna We've got a big agenda today

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Speaker 1: And the biggest thing that we're gonna do today is

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Speaker 1: it's been over two years since we've done an induction

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Speaker 1: into the Bear Greece Hall of Fame. And if and

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Speaker 1: if anybody had forgotten about the Bear Grease Hall of

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Speaker 1: Fame or thought that it didn't exist anymore, it does

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Speaker 1: that in detail and uh and we're gonna discuss kind

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Speaker 1: of some of like the parliamentary rules around induction into

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Speaker 1: the Bear Grease Hall of Fame and how that works.

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Speaker 1: And we're actually going to induct and and and you

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Speaker 1: guys will have the opportunity to vote on whether you

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Speaker 3: Is it have to be unanimous or does is it majority?

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Speaker 1: Majority?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Okay, are you the majority? Man?

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Speaker 4: I was in a parliamentary procedure team in the FFA

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Speaker 1: You ever had you ever had a dictator as the

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Speaker 3: I tell you what I did.

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Speaker 4: I had a we had a guy that couldn't hear

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Speaker 4: very well. He misunderstood what the topic was. Anytime you

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Speaker 1: All agg related.

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Speaker 4: Agg related everything, you know. So the vice president, I think,

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Speaker 4: is who it was, pulled it out. I'm not going

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Speaker 3: He was nervous.

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Speaker 4: He pulled it out and looked looked at it, and

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Speaker 3: He said, our subject for today is astrology.

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Speaker 4: I'm looking I'm looking at everybody's looking around like somebody's

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Speaker 1: So point b sorry, you should you should, you should

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Speaker 1: is really funny. Uh. We also, I think it'd be

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Speaker 1: a good time as well to just tell somebody that's listening,

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Speaker 1: you know that the Beargrease Feed has a lot of

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Speaker 1: stuff on it. It's got Brent's podcast, This Country Life.

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Speaker 3: Where you will not hear Josh Landbridge spilmmaker on there.

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Speaker 1: That's right, you were on there once maybe, so the

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Speaker 1: which I wanted to show y'all. See this belt buckle, Brent,

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Speaker 1: I do look at that bad boy, a little shoe

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Speaker 1: raccoon playing the banjo. Man, I don't know how. You know,

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Speaker 1: there's people that are upset about the internet kind of

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Speaker 1: give ads to you. I mean, I don't know. There's

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Speaker 1: else you need to know about? And so I ordered

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Speaker 1: this and Misty thought that it was a scam. She

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Speaker 1: And I actually paid an extra eight dollars to get

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Speaker 1: and Bear, what did you think? No, you were like,

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Speaker 1: So it shows. I pay extra eight dollars to get

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Speaker 1: it like by Friday, and it comes in on like Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: and and it's a real belt buckle. And it's a

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Speaker 1: little small. It's it's like half the size I thought

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Speaker 2: It's an incredible idea.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, tell the listeners what it Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: It's a it's a it's a nice silver belt buckle

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Speaker 3: Like what do you call those? Like a cameo? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Yeah's what's funny is we were coon hunting me Randall Whitmore,

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Speaker 3: And I said, y'all check this out.

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Speaker 4: Thirty minutes later, Wade says, Hey, just so y'all know,

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Speaker 4: I got four of those belt buckles ordered right now, like.

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Speaker 3: You kid, Yeah, we I had got it yet they

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Speaker 3: got scammed.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but he said I got as four of those ordered.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, where did the world did you find them?

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Speaker 1: And then as soon as you order one of those, guy, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know what the next one, they make one like

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Speaker 1: this with a beaver on it. A beaver he's playing

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Speaker 1: a mandolin or something.

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Speaker 1: I was like, goodbye. That for steverdella. So that's that's

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Speaker 5: I think that we should we should also maybe tell

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Speaker 5: I think the listener might not understand. They might think

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Speaker 5: we're somewhere to do friend. Well, we're in the same location. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: we're in the same Look, there's.

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Speaker 3: An extra like four or five hundred people here watching you.

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Speaker 1: We're at the Global headquarters. But this is this is

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Speaker 1: a Hall of Hall of Fame induction.

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Speaker 5: Episode, and Josh found out how to make fun sound

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Speaker 5: effects directly before.

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Speaker 1: The Hall of fame clips.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's all I got to say.

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Speaker 1: So, Uh, the other thing I wanted to tell you,

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Speaker 1: Josh has seen Red with his own eyes. Bear has

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Speaker 1: Many people would have. For for about a month, I

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Speaker 3: Great meal. Sounds like a good comba, you know.

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Speaker 5: fifteen years old. So many hands, two big strong feet.

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Speaker 3: How many hands are you bear?

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Speaker 1: So but let's let's go ahead, and uh, is there

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Speaker 1: anything else I'm supposed to talk about?

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Speaker 3: I don't think you've talked about anything?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, Uh what about the Turkey Stories episode?

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Speaker 7: Barrett?

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Speaker 1: What was your favorite story? And you can exempt Med's story?

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Yeah, because that was a good story. But

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Speaker 1: that was a really good story.

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Speaker 3: We can talk about this coffee that Missy just built

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Speaker 3: all over like, oh.

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Speaker 2: Shut well, I'll be okay.

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Speaker 3: Sorry.

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Speaker 1: I thought Lake Pickles story was just absolutely wild. Really yeah,

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Speaker 1: I know when that when old Trusty Rusty swallowed that

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Speaker 6: He added a lot of stuff that you didn't have

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Speaker 3: But he's one of the one of the kindest, just

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Speaker 6: one gobbler years ago. You probably remember me telling the story. Yeah,

442
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 6: I mean it's pretty phenomenal. I'm not a great turkey hunter.

443
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 6: And you can't call a turkey downhill, you know in theory, right,

444
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,399
Speaker 6: that's the doctrine. And I mean I'm sitting down here

445
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 6: in this low spot and there's a big hill right there,

446
00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,920
Speaker 6: and there's not a lot of trees in this whole flock.

447
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,680
Speaker 7: Probably there was fifteen birds, you know, twelve, And.

448
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 3: Here they come.

449
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 7: Man, I'm going what And they pull up right.

450
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,639
Speaker 6: In front of me at about fifteen yards and I

451
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 6: got my gun up and I'm thinking I can't shoot

452
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 6: that gobbler, I'll kill a hent or two.

453
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:17,680
Speaker 3: You remember, did I kill that gobler?

454
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:23,199
Speaker 6: I don't remember, Okay, Okay, Well, anyway, I eventually killed

455
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 6: a gobbler I don't know, in that bunch, well, in

456
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,920
Speaker 6: that same area, yeah, in that same area. I don't

457
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 6: know if it was that one or not.

458
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 1: But did you did you quiet out and become one

459
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:43,200
Speaker 1: with the creek? Absolutely, I like to go, yeah, yeah,

460
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,159
Speaker 1: they think it's a bumblebee.

461
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 3: That's what the turkey did to hit the firelight.

462
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 1: I remember one of your stories where you you called

463
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 1: you just were cold calling in the afternoon and called

464
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,160
Speaker 1: quite a bit and fell asleep and then woke up

465
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 1: to two gobblers goblin right on top of you.

466
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

467
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 6: In fact, that's that was in the afternoon, a Sunday afternoon.

468
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,919
Speaker 6: I went out called in that flock. I mean, I

469
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 6: don't mess around with just one bird.

470
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 1: Called them all.

471
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 7: And then then the best, probably the best story.

472
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 6: And I don't have many stories, because, like I say,

473
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 6: I'm just average truck hand, but that one that I've

474
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:30,360
Speaker 6: told it on this probably before bird in a tree

475
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 6: goblin and you know I'm sitting there going daylight comes,

476
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 6: he drops out. I got my gun right here, and

477
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 6: I'm thinking, where did that bird go? And he's right here, man,

478
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 6: I mean.

479
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 1: He's he's like I could have grabbed him by the neck,

480
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 1: like three feet from him. Yeah, yeah, right there, right

481
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 1: he flew down and then yeah, and I was in.

482
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,679
Speaker 6: Buck brush about this tall, and he just worked his

483
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,399
Speaker 6: way through that. It was just about like me and

484
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 6: bear and I looked over and then he walked right

485
00:25:59,200 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 6: in front of my gun.

486
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 7: I'm not going to tell you the rest of the story.

487
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 3: The turkey lives.

488
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 6: Turkey flew off my shot, but I don't know up close.

489
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:14,679
Speaker 6: I did a lot of studying on that. How you

490
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:18,640
Speaker 6: can miss a bird at three feet that's pretty easy. Yeah,

491
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 6: I'm sure here.

492
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:26,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh man, that's good. Brent. Which story stood out

493
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:26,440
Speaker 1: to you?

494
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 4: Well, I mean the elephant in the room I'll leave

495
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 4: for Misty. But I liked the guy that had to

496
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 4: come to Jesus meeting with Mark Slade. Yeah, it's a

497
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 4: slave sledge Sledge, Mark Sledge. He finally owned up to it,

498
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 4: you know, and maybe who knows where the guy went

499
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,640
Speaker 4: after that. But that's a you know, that's a that's

500
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 4: a hard listen for a grown up for a kid,

501
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 4: but for a grown up to admit, you know, you

502
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 4: got me. And then two he kind of you know,

503
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:03,959
Speaker 4: it went about it. It said something about you know,

504
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 4: it said something about character, and not in a good way.

505
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 4: If you have if you have your wife, if you

506
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,199
Speaker 4: have your wife, call and say, hey, can I have

507
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:12,679
Speaker 4: that turkey?

508
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 3: Call back?

509
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:16,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's kind of puzzling.

510
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 4: It was very much so. So I think it was

511
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 4: a good lesson in what not to do. And maybe

512
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,719
Speaker 4: this maybe it turned out, maybe the guy had a

513
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 4: realization and this may may not have been the best

514
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 4: way to do that.

515
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 3: Because number one, Mark was very forgiven.

516
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 4: He didn't involve the sheriff's office, the game warden, or

517
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 4: all he wanted the guy to do was fast up.

518
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,439
Speaker 3: Hey, it was me, my bad. I made a like

519
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 3: me being late today. I walked in the door.

520
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 4: I told my hat in here, make sure he didn't

521
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 4: get thrown back out, to make sure I could come

522
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 4: back if I could come in. So there was a

523
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 4: lot of lessons there that you could you could take

524
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 4: from that, and not only from the guy doing wrong,

525
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 4: but for Mark being very forgiven of the whole situation

526
00:27:58,760 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 4: and just wanting the guy to.

527
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 1: So Yeah, well, the hook of that story is that,

528
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 1: and we didn't want to bring it out until the render.

529
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 1: But that man was Josh back Christy. Christy called Bart called.

530
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 1: I thought it was. I thought it was pretty unusually.

531
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: He didn't call it game board because.

532
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 4: I kept waiting, you know, and you said at the end,

533
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 4: if you were waiting for I was. I was waiting,

534
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 4: you know, game Yeah, I thought.

535
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: Did you think that was unusually? He didn't call it

536
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,360
Speaker 1: game Barden. I mean, he caught this guy right handed.

537
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 6: I didn't think much about it. You know, it would

538
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 6: be his word against yours. Really, once you got back

539
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 6: to the truck. I mean, a guy could have light

540
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 6: his way out of it.

541
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I did you think you didn't?

542
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: You know?

543
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 6: I thought he I thought he I was impressed with

544
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 6: the way he dealt with it. Yeah, what he said,

545
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 6: You're sitting there, guys three feet from and you go hello.

546
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 7: The guy on set of his skin, and then then

547
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 7: he goes, I believe you.

548
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 3: I love what he said. He said. He said, isn't

549
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 3: it amazing how a good day like that?

550
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 7: Clint Eastwood, you just made my day, brother.

551
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 1: I wonder why he left his turkey best at the fence.

552
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: Maybe he didn't want to get it hung up crawling

553
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 1: through it.

554
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 6: Well, he wanted to find out how to get out. Possibly,

555
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 6: you know, the woods might have all looked the same,

556
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 6: and you know, you turn around, you look and you go, okay,

557
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 6: I'm gonna walk back to this big tree.

558
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 7: Well he just and he didn't want his turkey vest.

559
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 6: You know, I think it might have been he was

560
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 6: a criminal, you don't, you know, you put your mask,

561
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:37,959
Speaker 6: could have been making racket.

562
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 4: You know, he's just trying to slip in there and

563
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 4: slip out with that.

564
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: I wonder if it had something to do with marbire fence,

565
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: you know, like if you had a big fence on.

566
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: I mean a big, big turkey best on.

567
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 4: I remember hunting, my son, Hunter and I were crawling

568
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 4: into a turkey in Missouri and we were trying to

569
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 4: slip down this hill. The turkey was on behind the

570
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 4: big clay root and I dropped my vest. He took

571
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 4: his off. He was just a little kid. We crawled

572
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 4: down there. We got set up and the turkey was

573
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 4: still behind that clay root and Hunter said, he's like nine.

574
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 4: He said, well, I mean that's what we had. That decoy.

575
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 4: It was in your vest up there right now we

576
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 4: could stick out here.

577
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, that's a great that is

578
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 3: a great idea.

579
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 6: You know, if you're on another guy's property and you

580
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 6: got an orange vest on, that's not too good, Well

581
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 6: you can kind of sneak around if you're in cameo

582
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 6: would not be seen.

583
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: But it wasn't orange. It was a turkey vest. Oh,

584
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: turkey vest Okay, yeah, it was a turkey best okay, yeah, yeah.

585
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 3: Things will never know.

586
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, uh, I I said that I always go

587
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 1: every time Andy's on, I kind of go on and

588
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: on about Andy.

589
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 3: Everybody.

590
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 1: Everybody has heard that, so it might be getting old

591
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 1: me talking about Andy. But I'll tell you, I've traveled

592
00:30:55,280 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 1: the country trying to find Andy Brown's and they're there,

593
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: and there's many that I have not found, don't get

594
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: me wrong. And I've talked to many men who were

595
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 1: incredible turkey storytellers. But I found that even really good

596
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: turkey hunters have two or three really great stories.

597
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 3: You know.

598
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: I mean that that are that are kinda and this

599
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 1: kind of stories that we're looking for are not are

600
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: are unusual in that we're looking for, you know, some

601
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: just something that makes it just a great story. And honestly,

602
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 1: I have one good turkey story. And I'm not a

603
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: great turkey hunter. I've spent a good part of my

604
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: life turkey hunt. I've got one good story, the Lightning Bird,

605
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 1: and I tell it all the time. You've told it,

606
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: You've told it many times.

607
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, it is a good story.

608
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:49,959
Speaker 1: And and but here's my point about Andy is like

609
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: that story that he told about the thirty six inches

610
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: of beard and all this that was like his like

611
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: P story A B C D E F G H

612
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 1: I j K elemental P like his a story with

613
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: I mean, he just he did, he just he just

614
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: has lots of stories and and and and he can

615
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 1: tell a story that's uh, just about a normal hunt.

616
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: And I always try to dissect what he does, and

617
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: you can't replicate it. You can't learn anything from it.

618
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 1: The first guy that tries to go tell a story

619
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: like someone else, you know, kind of becomes kind of

620
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: inauthentic in a way. But you know, uh, but Andy,

621
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 1: they just they're group of hunters which Dad and I

622
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: grew up around. Uh or Dad would have been a

623
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: peer of Andy. Andy's son is a good friend of mine.

624
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 1: They all tell stories like Andy and and they and

625
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 1: they don't do it for show. I mean it's like

626
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: really a big part of their their camps and uh,

627
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: and I mean I don't think anybody ever told them

628
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: they were special until we started recording Andy and and

629
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: I knew Scott was always just a great storyteller, his

630
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: son and just the you know, and they all have.

631
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: Steve Vanella is the one who said he Steve loves

632
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 1: Andy Brown. And Steve said, Andy Brown sure always knows

633
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 1: which direction stuff's coming from, because in any any Andy story,

634
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: he's like, we went out to the east of the mountain,

635
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: and we came back and the bird was coming up

636
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: the south leg, and then we turned west and I mean,

637
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 1: you know, just like this, and and I know exactly

638
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 1: where I feel like And if if Andy's listening to this,

639
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: he can he could he could comment on on this.

640
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 1: But uh, when I was just a young man interacting

641
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: with his Andy's son Scott, it's getting complicated.

642
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 5: I thinks are complex enough to when generation.

643
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: I noticed that in Scott's stories is that he always

644
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: like wanted to and we were from the same area,

645
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: and so he always wanted to orient me to write

646
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: where he was like just precisely. And and I think

647
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: they learned that from their their one of their uncles

648
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,320
Speaker 1: who just knew every crack and crevice of that county.

649
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: And then it kind of was a way to just

650
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: like communicate they knew the land.

651
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

652
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 4: It adds to the story, to the to someone who's

653
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 4: familiar with it.

654
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:23,800
Speaker 1: Yeah.

655
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 3: Yeah.

656
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 4: And I mean and being and using the cardinal directions

657
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 4: instead of exact data when telling it to the general public.

658
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 4: It also includes them in that as well. Yeah, because

659
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 4: they can they get an idea, they can see in

660
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,839
Speaker 4: their head. They may not know exactly where he's at,

661
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 4: but they know if he said I was facing north

662
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 4: and then I turned around and went and then then

663
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 4: I turned and went west, they know he turned to.

664
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 3: His left and went that way. Yeah.

665
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 4: He just kind of a good story, plays like a

666
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 4: little movie.

667
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 3: In your head.

668
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah.

669
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:55,479
Speaker 3: Yeah.

670
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: I Actually, when Andy's first started telling me stories, I

671
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: had to tell him not to give specific location.

672
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

673
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,720
Speaker 1: He'd tell the name of the mountain and the ridge

674
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 1: and the road, and I would be like, Hey, I

675
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: don't think you want.

676
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 3: To do that.

677
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 7: Yea, Hey, yeah, you told me you can't ever go

678
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:15,839
Speaker 7: back there?

679
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 1: Really, Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah. Dad used to not like

680
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: for people to tell him where they were hunting because

681
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,760
Speaker 1: then in his mind, that would be a big area

682
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: blocked off that like he wouldn't want to go, but.

683
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 3: He wanted to come by accident.

684
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So No, I always love AI's stories there Therebell,

685
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: And he's at some point we're actually going to have

686
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: a special episode that's gonna come out next week that's

687
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: not a Turkey Stories, but we're gonna later do another

688
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: Turkey Stories this spring. And and he's got another great

689
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,359
Speaker 1: little story. It's just as about four minutes long as

690
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: I don't I don't even know what level it is,

691
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 1: but it's it's a good one. It's a good one, okay.

692
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 3: Uh.

693
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 1: It involves throwing sticks at predators to get them to

694
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: run away. Little little teaser. Oh man, Yeah, yeah, Misty,

695
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:15,280
Speaker 1: what was your favorite story?

696
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 2: Well, I know this is going to surprise y'all.

697
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 5: No, I thought that last story was just that's the

698
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:22,839
Speaker 5: one that you were saying was the best turkey hunting

699
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 5: story ever. Right, That's that's how as advertised. And I

700
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 5: thought it was a good story. I mean, we had

701
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 5: a conversation this week about Clay and his grandpa and

702
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 5: their relationship. And one of the questions I asked him

703
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 5: was like, and I was trying to get a sense

704
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 5: of because I've been around, I was around your grandpa,

705
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 5: and he wasn't just like always talking, you know, I

706
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 5: mean he was, he was very pleasant. But Clay has

707
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 5: just so many advice, so much advice that he got

708
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 5: from his grandpa that he's always sharing with the kids

709
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 5: and anything from sorghum molasses and butter to you know,

710
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 5: work ethic and things like that. And and I was

711
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 5: I was like, tell me, I wanted to understand the

712
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 5: context and and play it. A lot of the reason

713
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,359
Speaker 5: he got those stories was because he was with him,

714
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,839
Speaker 5: he was hunting with them like that. That's where those

715
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 5: stories came from. And I just thought about that Ned

716
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:17,919
Speaker 5: and his son, med Med and his son, and and

717
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 5: just the gift that it is too to be able

718
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:25,320
Speaker 5: to to share, to share this with with your kids,

719
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 5: and and to share that and have those opportunities. And

720
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 5: even after his son dies, you know, he goes back

721
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:34,320
Speaker 5: and and it's almost like it it kept giving and

722
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 5: and and brought closure and an ability to grieve, and

723
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 5: because you hear him struggling to even want to go

724
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,879
Speaker 5: hunting because of because of what was lost, but then

725
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 5: inside there and to come full circle, you know, the

726
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 5: environment they're in is bigger than what you can measure,

727
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 5: and and and see there's there's a lot going on.

728
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 5: And and he looks down and he sees that shell.

729
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:57,320
Speaker 5: That's that's a pretty incredible story.

730
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, the way describe that turkey mm hmm in that context,

731
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 1: you know when we when we talk about turkeys in

732
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 1: full strut, like you kind of see this image of

733
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: this oil painting, you know, at a National Wild Turkey

734
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 1: Federation event, of this big gobbler strutting in front of

735
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: two or three hens with the sun coming down on him,

736
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: and and and that's what Mad described it. I could

737
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 1: just see it, like, uh, you know, he did a

738
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,280
Speaker 1: he did a good job of describing that and how

739
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: how beautiful it was. And then and then the fact

740
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,800
Speaker 1: that he said that he got his spirit back and

741
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,760
Speaker 1: just kind of brought it full circle, you know, And uh,

742
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: I said, I I said, you know, the way people

743
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: talk about Mad Palmer down Mississippi is that like he's

744
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: the best turkey others ever lived. And you know, I

745
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: was kind of tongue in cheek obviously, I've never had

746
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 1: it with mad uh and and there's a lot of

747
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 1: great turkey hunters, but I'm pretty sure he's he on

748
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: a good year. He's involved in calling up twenty five

749
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: or thirty turkeys for easy. He a year is a

750
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,760
Speaker 1: great guy watching thirty turkeys get killed.

751
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 3: Most years, he works a lot with wounded veterans, and

752
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 3: so he takes a lot of wounded veterans hunting, hunting

753
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 3: and kids turkey hunting. Yeah, it's not uncommon for him

754
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 3: to call up twenty five to fifty birds for people.

755
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, Keith Pope went on and on about it. He

756
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 4: and I were talking Keith's turkey hunter down. Yeah that

757
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,359
Speaker 4: like's going to ride in and say, Keith thinking near

758
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:32,320
Speaker 4: the turkey.

759
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 3: Hunter that he is.

760
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 4: But but Keith just goes. He says, Man, that dude

761
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 4: is the real deal. Yeah, that's pretty good bona fides

762
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 4: for me.

763
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Yeah, Well I thought I thought it was

764
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: a strong episode. Yeah, I thought it was a strong.

765
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 3: Fantastic story. Yep.

766
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: I'm tempted to tell what jan what Jannis Putellus said

767
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 1: about it, but I don't want this to be a uh.

768
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 1: I've getting a lot of feedback on the film and episode.

769
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: Thing between me and the honis so y'all just leave

770
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: that out.

771
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 2: Was it positive or negative?

772
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: It was I. I just texted him and I was like, hey,

773
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 1: this is this is such a great episode and uh

774
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,879
Speaker 1: and he would I won't tell you what he said.

775
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: He loved med story, he said, he said, as as promised,

776
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: Big time delivered, Big Time delivered. Bar you got your

777
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 1: bowfish and bow here yep. I finished it up. So

778
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 1: this is a this is a bear made that bow

779
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 1: out of o sage.

780
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 3: Yep.

781
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 1: This is showed the tree the tree, yep. This is

782
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: the boa showed last time with the sturgeon skins. But

783
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: I put moose leather from Heather Duville up in Alaska.

784
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 2: She sent me that ak ak moosey yep.

785
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: And uh threw a big old muzzy reel on there

786
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 1: and it I took it out last night. It shoots

787
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 1: really good. I mean, like you can shoot I don't know.

788
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: I shot some really far shots at fish and it

789
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: would just like fling that air out there and you

790
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 1: could you could actually realistically kill a fish from pretty

791
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 1: far away.

792
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:15,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, we are you shooting at carp?

793
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, big carb, big grass cart. Unfortunately, I didn't get

794
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: any in the boat, but it kind of had a

795
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 1: broadhead issue. Yeah yeah, but uh yeah, but that reeal

796
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 1: comes on and off, so it's a bow fishing bow.

797
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 1: You take the reel off and you can hunt with it.

798
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 2: Yep, I appreciate the artwork.

799
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got a fishbone. Yeah, yeah, I think it's

800
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 1: I think it is now time to move on to

801
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: the the matter at hand. Are you all ready?

802
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 3: Yeah?

803
00:41:51,600 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 4: Hold on, astrology, Yeah, we got.

804
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 1: That's not it. That's not it. I'm not sure that

805
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: was the best. I would like for the first time too,

806
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:18,800
Speaker 1: to show this. I have in my hand very nice.

807
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: That is the Bear Grease Hall of Fame plaque.

808
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 3: Very good.

809
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: And the names on this board are Holy Colliery. Okay,

810
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: all right, thanks for running the moment. Okay, sorry, So

811
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: the guy that made the made this for us mistook

812
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 1: Wholk Caller for Holy Collier. So basically we have.

813
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 3: We have a duplicate made. We just need to put we.

814
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: Have a Bear Grease Hall of Fame plaque that will

815
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: hang in the office and uh we we We started

816
00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 1: the Bear Grease Hall of Fame about three years ago.

817
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 1: As we started doing these deep dives into these characters.

818
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 1: Some alive, some dead, and we just I mean, the

819
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame like created itself. You know, it was

820
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: just because you do some stories that are great, but

821
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: then some stories are just you just are just so good.

822
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 1: It's like, we've got we've got to have a hall

823
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: of fame about this and let me, let me, let

824
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 1: me do. Let me do one thing first of all,

825
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 1: pass Oh, I want to go through the current members

826
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 1: of the Bear Grease Hall of Fame. And this is

827
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 1: important because I'm going to I'm going to present for

828
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: possible induction at least two oh potentially three. We've not

829
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,479
Speaker 1: and we don't do this willy nilly. You know, We've

830
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 1: had I don't know how many original Bear Grease episodes,

831
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 1: probably one hundred plus Bear Grease episodes.

832
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, pretty close.

833
00:43:56,280 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 1: So the first is Daniel Boone. Daniel Boone is in

834
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: our Hall of Fame as an American frontiersman, archetype and backwoodsman,

835
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: called himself a backwoodsman. There's so much about Boone and

836
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:13,399
Speaker 1: that was one of the first historical series we did

837
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: that really took off. The second guy here and these

838
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 1: are not in any order particularly, but this was just

839
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 1: the first couple of inductions is a man named Warner

840
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: Glenn from Arizona. He's got to be one of the

841
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: oldest living working cowboys in America. Warner's over ninety now.

842
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 1: And I communicated with his daughter the other day and

843
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 1: he's been dry ground line hunting this week.

844
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 3: On Mules tough as Tarzan's feet.

845
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 1: Yep, exactly. And we did a series on Warner Glenn,

846
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: and you know he's dry ground line hunter and rancher

847
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 1: out in Arizona. Roy Clark, Tennessee plot man. Roy Clark

848
00:44:53,600 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 1: is a quintessential Southern Appalachian hill billy bear hunter. If

849
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: if Roy Clark has killed load bears in his group,

850
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,439
Speaker 1: probably as many as anybody alive today. I mean, those

851
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 1: guys are bear hunters, and Roy if you remember from

852
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:22,240
Speaker 1: the series that I did with them, the iconic moment,

853
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 1: and I wish we could have captured it and put

854
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 1: it on a shirt or a hat or and perhaps

855
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 1: the time has been lost. But when Roy Clark was

856
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: in the fourth grade, his buddy wrote him a Valentine's card.

857
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,360
Speaker 1: They had to give Valentine's cards to all the people

858
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: in their class, and his buddy wrote a card that said,

859
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 1: we bear hunters, ain't we Roy and Roy when he

860
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: said that at age seventy two on that podcast, like

861
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: his eyes almost teared up and he remembered that and

862
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: it was just this. He was like, we're bear hunters,

863
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: We're bear hunters. Roy Clark is a bear hunt George mcjunkin.

864
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 1: George mcjunkin was a former slave that that became a

865
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 1: He owned land out west, but he discovered the Falsom Site,

866
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 1: the Falsom Archaeological Site, which unlocked the American story to

867
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:25,919
Speaker 1: the Pleistocene to the Stone Age. Before George mcjunkin found

868
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 1: those bison bones, the smartest people in the world thought

869
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 1: that humans had only been in America for about three

870
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 1: thousand years. George mcjunkin in nineteen oh eight found these

871
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: bones and begged people to come out and look at

872
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 1: these bones. Nobody ever came until the three months after

873
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 1: he died, like in the nineteen twenties, and finally they

874
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: were like, well, I guess we ought to go look

875
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: at that, and they went out there and it was

876
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 1: the greatest at the time, the greatest archaeological discovery in

877
00:46:54,640 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 1: American history. George mcjunkin. Fulsom Place is full of turkeys

878
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: all over the contact got to apply for tactams twenty years.

879
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 1: Frederick Gershtacker, he is a German guy that came to

880
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 1: Arkansas in eighteen thirty seven and was here for seven years.

881
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 1: He wrote a book called Wild Sport. It's a very

882
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 1: formative book that I read years and years ago. Had

883
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 1: a dog named Bear Grease. And Frederick Gershacker was essentially

884
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:32,800
Speaker 1: involved in market hunting, but was just the epitome of

885
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:38,240
Speaker 1: why people came to the New World during that time

886
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 1: for adventure hunting and for market hunting. And he in

887
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 1: his time recognized the wastefulness of market hunting and actually

888
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,399
Speaker 1: wrote about it, and it was kind of a little

889
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: bit ahead of his time, even though he participated in

890
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 1: it to some degree. He came to Arkansas to kill

891
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 1: a bison. That's why he came here. He wanted to

892
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 1: kill a bison, and he did. He killed a woodland

893
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 1: bison in Arkansas in the in the eighteen I think

894
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 1: the eighteen forties. His dog's name was Bear's Grease. Did

895
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:11,280
Speaker 1: I tell you that yet?

896
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 3: Okay? So that was the.

897
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 1: First time I saw the two words bearing grease together

898
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 1: was in his book. So Frederick gersher The Death of Erskine. Yeah,

899
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 1: and that was probably to this day some people would

900
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 1: think that that was one of the their favorite episodes,

901
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 1: the Death of a Bear Hunter, which was like the

902
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,800
Speaker 1: third or fourth episode we ever did. And I read

903
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: just read part of his book about the death of

904
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 1: his friend Erskine. It was really incredible. Or Lee Provence man,

905
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 1: there's a category. There is a category of people in

906
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame who are unknown, not not didn't

907
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 1: have some influence on America. They weren't authors, but they

908
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 1: just represented a way of life and kind of stood

909
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 1: against the trend the age. And or Province is just

910
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 1: a classic Ozark hardworking logger, hillbilly. I mean, I interviewed

911
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 1: him when he was ninety two years old, and the

912
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 1: month after I interviewed him he died. He spent his

913
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:22,800
Speaker 1: whole life in the logging woods, growing tomatoes, chicken farming,

914
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 1: and he killed two big bucks in the nineteen sixties

915
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:29,320
Speaker 1: that were over scored over one hundred and eighty inches

916
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 1: two weeks apart and public land way out in Ozarks.

917
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 1: And Ori was just he just had a quality about

918
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 1: him that I just was like, this guy. I'll never

919
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 1: meet another guy quite like this. And Orley Province is

920
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:50,240
Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame. Holy Collier Callier man. People

921
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 1: talk to me about Hot Collier almost weekly, and we

922
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:56,879
Speaker 1: did a series on him.

923
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 4: He was.

924
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 1: Enslaved, lived his early part of his life as a

925
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 1: slave in Mississippi, came out of that and was a

926
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: market hunter. Was credited with killing over three thousand bears

927
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 1: with dogs and the Mississippi swamps. But the main thing

928
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: that he did that put him on the map was

929
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:21,439
Speaker 1: he guided Teddy Roosevelt on the famous bear hunt that

930
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 1: the Teddy Bear was coined because Hulk Callier lasso de

931
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 1: bear that was being bade by dogs, tied it to

932
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 1: a tree, went and got the President and said, Sarah,

933
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 1: have your bear for you to kill, and Roosevelt refused

934
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: to kill a tied bear. And it became this like

935
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:40,720
Speaker 1: global phenomena of people writing about it, and they created

936
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:45,399
Speaker 1: the Teddy Bear. Holt Callier maybe one of the will

937
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 1: the stories we've ever told. And what was so unique

938
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 1: about it too, was it was it was an untold

939
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 1: story in a way. Minor First Buchanan wrote an incredible

940
00:50:55,640 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 1: book about Holt and and Mina First became that is

941
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 1: alive today as a lawyer in Jackson, Mississippi, and he

942
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:07,800
Speaker 1: basically just years ago started he'd heard little things about

943
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 1: Holt and went and started just doing research, and there

944
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 1: was very little written about him. And so he writes

945
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 1: this comprehensive book about Halt Collier's life and just just incredible.

946
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 1: I mean, if we could find stories like that, I mean,

947
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 1: we just do stories like that. The last guy on

948
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:31,280
Speaker 1: the board right now is Takeumpsa, and Tkeumpsa was a

949
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:35,840
Speaker 1: Shawnee Ward leader, wasn't even a chief. Considered by some

950
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 1: based upon the impact of his words. We have no

951
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 1: recording of what he said, but based upon the way

952
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 1: that people responded to him speaking, he's considered by many

953
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 1: historians as one of the greatest orators in American history.

954
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 1: We've never heard him. I think that's interesting. It's like,

955
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 1: it's not what you sound like, but it's what the

956
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 1: effects of what you say cause people to do, you know,

957
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 1: and uh, but to come. So he's he He and

958
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 1: his brother Tinsquatawa ten Squintawa had ten Squintawa was considered

959
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 1: a prophet, and he believed that he heard that they

960
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:24,360
Speaker 1: were not supposed to integrate with with Europeans that were coming,

961
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 1: and they put up the the longest lasting, largest resistance

962
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 1: to the American expansion of any Native American tribe, and

963
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 1: Tokumsa gathered the largest army, and that's disputed in some

964
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 1: at times, but but comes heck of a guy. That's

965
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 1: where we're at. Okay, there have been two. So to

966
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 1: qualify to be in the Beargreas Hall of Fame, we

967
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:56,439
Speaker 1: have to do a Burgrease podcast about you number one.

968
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 1: I mean, that's kind of the way it goes.

969
00:52:58,239 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 2: It's like, I can't be in there.

970
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 1: You would be a shoe.

971
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 3: We'd have to do would he would.

972
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 1: Be a shoe in? Gary would be a shoe in?

973
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:11,839
Speaker 1: Brent would be a shoe in Oh, of course Bear

974
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:14,879
Speaker 1: would be a shoe in. Nope, Bear's too young, too long.

975
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 3: He just started drinking koffee thing.

976
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 1: So we did a series two years ago. And I

977
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:30,280
Speaker 1: want to have a discussion around the man named David Crockett.

978
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 1: I never heard of him, and he will be I

979
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: want to have a little discussion and I'm going to

980
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:39,360
Speaker 1: give a little pitch and I want to hear what

981
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 1: y'all say. There's some controversy around Crockett being in the

982
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:46,800
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. My friend Steve Ranella. When he hears

983
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 1: Daniel Boone and Davy Crockett in the same sentence compared

984
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 1: to each other, he chuckles and he says, there's no comparison.

985
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 1: Boone and Crockett are completely different. And the one reason

986
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:02,799
Speaker 1: he says that, and I kind of I don't buy

987
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:07,439
Speaker 1: it completely is Renella And this would be the only

988
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 1: thing that would stand against Crockett. This is probably bad

989
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 1: that I'm starting out with the negatives, gonna.

990
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:13,879
Speaker 2: Here's why you shouldn't vote for him.

991
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know they I just want us to

992
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:22,439
Speaker 1: be sure, is uh. Crockett was probably a little bit

993
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:27,800
Speaker 1: enamored with himself and his fame show Bot. He even

994
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 1: in his autobiography when you read it, there was it's

995
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 1: kind of like that became the hedgemnd later in his life.

996
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 1: Now he died when he was like forty six or

997
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 1: forty seven. I can't remember exactly how old he was

998
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:42,799
Speaker 1: when he died. He died in eighteen thirty six. But

999
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:46,839
Speaker 1: he it kind of gets under your skin, just a

1000
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 1: just a hair. And he went to a play, and

1001
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 1: this is what gets Steve Ranella. He went to his

1002
00:54:55,360 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 1: own play in New York City and basically kind of

1003
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 1: took the accolade. There was a there was a play

1004
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 1: that was put on and the main character was essentially

1005
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:12,759
Speaker 1: David Crockett in his lifetime, but they didn't call him

1006
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 1: David Crockett. They called him Nimrod Wildfire. But clearly the

1007
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 1: man who was Nimrod Wildfire was Crockett. Crockett had so

1008
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 1: much global fame. Crockett was like the first big time

1009
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 1: American celebrity was a bear hunter America. Are you listening

1010
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:34,880
Speaker 1: to me? The first many, not just not just hunters

1011
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 1: say this, but like historians say, one of the first

1012
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 1: true global national celebrities was David Crockett, King of the

1013
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:47,319
Speaker 1: Wild Frontier. That's right, and but but do you see

1014
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:50,240
Speaker 1: that kind of the self aggrandizement of just a touch

1015
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:50,880
Speaker 1: with Crockett?

1016
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:53,320
Speaker 3: It's down you've been holding that one in your pocket?

1017
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 3: What's that?

1018
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 1: I should have said that first you hit me? And

1019
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 1: they had like a but listen to this, y'all ready

1020
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 1: for this. He died when he was forty five. I

1021
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 1: think he would have worked through it. I think I

1022
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 1: think if we'd have seen a Crockett boone lived till

1023
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:18,840
Speaker 1: he was eighty four. Crockett lived till he was forty five,

1024
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 1: and he had he came from abject poverty to national

1025
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 1: fame to potentially even be in the president of the

1026
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 1: United States. They were going to put him as President

1027
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:35,799
Speaker 1: of the United States, and this country boy had no

1028
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 1: ability to I mean, it just takes time for someone

1029
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:44,839
Speaker 1: to kind of walk through that level of like notoriety,

1030
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 1: and he was kind of enamored with it.

1031
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:48,799
Speaker 3: And so I.

1032
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 1: I want to give him a little bit of sympathy

1033
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 1: inside of that, because again that's what Steve would discredit

1034
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 1: him for and be like, you don't need Crockett in there,

1035
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 1: and Steve didn't say that, but Steve's not here and

1036
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 1: you you might not be here.

1037
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 6: He hears about.

1038
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 1: Stella is listening, please send me an email. Let's see,

1039
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 1: let's see how this goes. But but basically what Crockett

1040
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 1: did is is he he became a state representative and

1041
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 1: he was in political office, and he gained national fame

1042
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 1: and then he ends up dying in the Alamo in

1043
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 1: a war that he probably shouldn't have even been in

1044
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 1: in America. Has made it like he was going down

1045
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 1: there because he was a patriot and all this, I mean,

1046
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 1: he it wasn't even an American war.

1047
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 5: He was a little bit rejected by by his own

1048
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 5: people for his stance on Native American lands.

1049
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 1: That was a big part of it. Yeah, and that

1050
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 1: that is also Do you think.

1051
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 2: He would have worked through it because he experienced suffering?

1052
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 1: He uh, he experienced a lot of suffering in his life.

1053
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 1: He lost a wife and he.

1054
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1055
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. When Andrew Jackson came out with the Indian Removal

1056
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 1: Act of eighteen thirty, it would have been in his

1057
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 1: favor politically to get behind that, but he chose to

1058
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 1: make a big stance in saying, no, this is wrong

1059
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 1: with these people. And I appreciated that. What do y'all think?

1060
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 1: What do you think, Brent?

1061
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:33,920
Speaker 4: I mean just I think no, I think all the

1062
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 4: stuff about him being full of himself or whatever his conjecture,

1063
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 4: you got to look at the facts of what he did,

1064
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 4: whether he was at the Alamo because he took a

1065
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 4: wrong turn in Albuquerque or however he got there. You

1066
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 4: look at it at what he stood for his stance

1067
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 4: on Native American lands. I think the positive outweigh the

1068
00:58:56,840 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 4: conjecture or the focus that put on his celebrity, because

1069
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 4: a lot of times when you have a detractor. Someone's

1070
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 4: talking bad about somebody, it's out of jealousy, a position

1071
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 4: of like, uh, you know, he's not superior to me,

1072
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 4: so I'm going to cast the spursions at him. And

1073
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 4: so I think you got a look at the at

1074
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 4: what he did and what he stood for, and if

1075
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 4: he stood for what was going on down there in

1076
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:29,439
Speaker 4: the Alamo and for the Native Americans, that's good enough

1077
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 4: for me in a time where that was it wasn't

1078
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 4: like taking a stand now, you know. I mean he

1079
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 4: was doing it when there he had no other allies

1080
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 4: other than the folks that were being persecuted, who had

1081
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 4: nothing to stand on to begin with. I mean that

1082
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 4: was when them folks got to the Alamo down there,

1083
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 4: I mean they were peeing in the wind, thinking they

1084
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 4: were going to win that one. It was not going

1085
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 4: to come out good. And yet they stayed and fought

1086
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 4: it out to the last man. Whether or not we

1087
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 4: had we had the big debate on whether he went

1088
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 4: down swinging.

1089
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:08,959
Speaker 3: Or got captured. Yeah, but regardless, he was there. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: So that's a that's a positive for me.

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Speaker 1: Crockett also had a lot of influence on American politics.

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Speaker 1: He was the first so imagine world politics, like coming

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01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:33,520
Speaker 1: out of Europe and there were these aristocratic, highly educated,

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01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:41,440
Speaker 1: uh wealthy people that ran governments across the world. This

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01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:44,480
Speaker 1: is simplification, but you could almost put a period after that,

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01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 1: like the aristocracy ran the world. We came over to

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01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 1: America and we kind of liked to have this idea

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01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 1: that things were different, but honestly, things were quite a

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01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 1: bit the same. I mean, Washington and Franklin and all

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01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:00,920
Speaker 1: these guys. They were not just like average guys that

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01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 1: were out there shoet horses and stuff. You know, these

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01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:14,440
Speaker 1: guys had money. Crockett was the first populist, folk backwoods

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01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 1: politician that brought something up that's still here today. He

1104
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 1: was the first guy. They called him the man from

1105
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 1: the cane and the cane, referring to the great cane

1106
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 1: thickets that they hunted bear. It was a derogatory term

1107
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 1: that one of the elites in the Tennessee legislator called

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01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 1: him when he was a young politician. He said, how

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01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 1: about the gentleman from the cane tell us it basically

1110
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:42,439
Speaker 1: was like the hill billy from the sticks. Why don't

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01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:46,120
Speaker 1: we let him talk? And Crockett comes back in the

1112
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 1: next day wearing a big. He's wearing his buckskins, but

1113
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:53,920
Speaker 1: a ruffle like these guys wore that. He was a

1114
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:57,720
Speaker 1: fashion trend to wear those big, like roughly necklaces. And

1115
01:01:57,800 --> 01:01:59,920
Speaker 1: he came in and made a laughing stock of the

1116
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 1: those guys, and and and spoke very off the cuff,

1117
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:08,720
Speaker 1: very informal. He spoke like the people spoke. And he

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01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 1: became and he became America's first populist backwoods politician. And

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Speaker 1: today that's how people win politics in this country. Not always,

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01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 1: but but they but they appeal to the common man

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01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 1: and they say, I'm one of you. I'm not from

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01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:31,000
Speaker 1: the elite, you know. So anyway, Crockett had a ton

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01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 1: of influence on the idea of what America was. And

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01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 1: so Bear anybody else have any thoughts on Crockett before

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01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:43,520
Speaker 1: we officially nominate him as a as a Bear Grease

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01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:48,920
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. I mean, I think of backwoods politician

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01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:51,880
Speaker 1: from what from what you described, I don't think that

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01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:55,840
Speaker 1: I at that time would have been listening to any podcasts.

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01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:57,800
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, I never really listened to

1130
01:02:57,800 --> 01:03:04,120
Speaker 1: that podcast. From what you described, I'd say, he's okay.

1131
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:11,520
Speaker 1: I would like hereby as the is there anything I

1132
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:16,960
Speaker 1: should put my right hand on. Put it on the

1133
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 1: sound of the bear track, the bear track. I'm going

1134
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:21,560
Speaker 1: to place my right hand on the bear track. And

1135
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:26,480
Speaker 1: I would like to officially nominate David Crockett as inducted

1136
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 1: into the Bear Grease Hall of Fame. Could we have

1137
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 1: a show of hands for all people that I was like,

1138
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:36,120
Speaker 1: you got a second second? Em all right, raise your

1139
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:38,360
Speaker 1: hand if you would. Let's let's do an eye.

1140
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:40,280
Speaker 2: I think we should do my voice. This is a podcast.

1141
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:46,200
Speaker 1: Everybody, everybody that a favor say I. All oppositions say nay.

1142
01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 1: Eyes have it. David Crockett inducted into the Gratulations.

1143
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:53,400
Speaker 3: Where are your hat?

1144
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:56,160
Speaker 1: Just really got to get these buttons worked out.

1145
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:00,880
Speaker 3: There?

1146
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 1: I go, okay, okay, wow, it feels really great. This

1147
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:12,880
Speaker 1: has been a long time coming. Crockett's in.

1148
01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:18,680
Speaker 4: Now, what is Davy Crockett, David Crockett or Holy Crockett.

1149
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:22,480
Speaker 2: I don't think you should be Holy. I think that's.

1150
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:25,480
Speaker 3: Dodge Crockett.

1151
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:29,720
Speaker 1: He will go in. It's David Crockett. Okay, yeah, David Crockett. Okay.

1152
01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:35,680
Speaker 1: Moving on second order of business. I would like to

1153
01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:43,240
Speaker 1: consider and I find this very interesting that yesterday I

1154
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 1: got this in the mail with no return address. I

1155
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 1: have no idea who sent this, but somehow they got

1156
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:53,320
Speaker 1: the address to the headquarters here and they sent me

1157
01:04:53,440 --> 01:05:01,240
Speaker 1: this sticker. Came in the mail yesterday, the fla I

1158
01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:05,520
Speaker 1: got it, I got it, got it. Oh, how cool

1159
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:06,320
Speaker 1: is that?

1160
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:07,280
Speaker 3: That's pretty cool?

1161
01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 2: Pretty cool?

1162
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:10,520
Speaker 3: Huh? That is Granny Henderson.

1163
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:18,160
Speaker 1: Avid Barnes Henderson. I I think Granny deserves a spot

1164
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:22,160
Speaker 1: in the Beargeris Hall of Fame. Granny Grannie Henderson was

1165
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:28,680
Speaker 1: a core character in our Buffalo River series. And so

1166
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:33,520
Speaker 1: Granny Henderson was born in the in the eighteen nineties

1167
01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 1: and she died in the late nineteen seventies, and she

1168
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:44,080
Speaker 1: was the last person on the Buffalo River, one of

1169
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:47,760
Speaker 1: the last holdouts on the Buffalo River. When when the

1170
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:52,040
Speaker 1: National Park System came in and acquired the ninety five

1171
01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:55,240
Speaker 1: thousand acres that now make up the Buffalo National River,

1172
01:05:55,760 --> 01:06:01,160
Speaker 1: we did we did a series that just was it

1173
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 1: was I'm still torn to this day because the series

1174
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:08,160
Speaker 1: clearly was geared towards telling the story of the people

1175
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:12,960
Speaker 1: that lost land. That land was essentially taken from the Yeah,

1176
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:18,000
Speaker 1: they were paid land, they were paid for it. But Granny,

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01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:22,320
Speaker 1: her house is still intact and is in the center

1178
01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:26,080
Speaker 1: of the Buffalo River Wilderness and people go there. We've

1179
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:32,720
Speaker 1: been there, and I spoke with Grannie's Granny's daughter, who

1180
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:35,600
Speaker 1: was just a delightful lady who told me stories all

1181
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:42,480
Speaker 1: about Granny and yeah, Jane Kilgore, Yeah.

1182
01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:42,800
Speaker 3: And.

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01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:50,400
Speaker 1: Granny was a symbol of resistance. And on the podcast

1184
01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:54,240
Speaker 1: we called her a martyr because she died within three

1185
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:56,680
Speaker 1: months of being moved out of the house that her

1186
01:06:56,720 --> 01:07:00,120
Speaker 1: and her husband built in the early nineteen hundreds. She

1187
01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:02,480
Speaker 1: got married when she was real young. They built a

1188
01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:05,520
Speaker 1: house down on the Buffalo River in just this incredible place,

1189
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:08,800
Speaker 1: and she didn't want to move. And her husband died

1190
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:13,320
Speaker 1: years and years before and and finally, I mean Granny

1191
01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:19,080
Speaker 1: was in her eighties and every all her neighbors were gone,

1192
01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:22,200
Speaker 1: everybody was gone, and the family just was like, Granny,

1193
01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:25,240
Speaker 1: I think you just need to sell. And she she

1194
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:28,240
Speaker 1: had gotten a lawyer and had was word you know

1195
01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:31,240
Speaker 1: it could, tried to litigate it in court to be

1196
01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:35,000
Speaker 1: able to keep her land that her parents had bought

1197
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:39,360
Speaker 1: her and and and finally they said, Granny, you just

1198
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:42,800
Speaker 1: need to you just need to go. And the park

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01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:46,800
Speaker 1: built her a house like a mile away on top

1200
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:49,320
Speaker 1: of the mountain near the county road, built her a

1201
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:52,400
Speaker 1: new house, gave her a dishwasher and a washing machine,

1202
01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:55,200
Speaker 1: and she went into that house and stayed there one

1203
01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:59,080
Speaker 1: night and said I can't do it, and she went

1204
01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:02,479
Speaker 1: and stayed with her and three months later she died

1205
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:05,800
Speaker 1: and they say she died of a broken heart. And

1206
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:08,360
Speaker 1: uh in in in the in the series, what was

1207
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:11,800
Speaker 1: so cool? And this is something that I'd never heard,

1208
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 1: but we we got this original recording of an interview

1209
01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:20,160
Speaker 1: with Granny and we got to hear her talk and

1210
01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:23,160
Speaker 1: hear her voice and it was just really cool. And

1211
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:27,240
Speaker 1: what thoughts on Granny Henderson being in the bear Ground.

1212
01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:30,439
Speaker 3: I'm one hundred percent for it because I think that

1213
01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:36,960
Speaker 3: I think she, but not only she, but her way

1214
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:44,160
Speaker 3: of life is iconic to to who we are as Americans,

1215
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:49,880
Speaker 3: and that that icon is fading in the distance, and

1216
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:52,840
Speaker 3: so I think she is a woman who can represent

1217
01:08:53,120 --> 01:08:57,080
Speaker 3: that way of life in this and so I'm one

1218
01:08:57,120 --> 01:08:58,040
Speaker 3: hundred percent for it.

1219
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:01,799
Speaker 1: M hm. And we got these great stickers.

1220
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:04,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, mm hmm.

1221
01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:07,960
Speaker 5: I definitely I would second it out for sure. I Mean,

1222
01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:11,920
Speaker 5: I think that Granny carrying those big old things of

1223
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:15,679
Speaker 5: water yea. At her age and hunting easter age.

1224
01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:19,280
Speaker 1: She got hit by a copperhead. Uh yeah, twice or

1225
01:09:19,320 --> 01:09:20,800
Speaker 1: four times.

1226
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:21,599
Speaker 3: At least twice.

1227
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:25,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's like I think twice, multiple times, multiple times

1228
01:09:25,360 --> 01:09:27,799
Speaker 1: she got bet by copperhead, never went to the doctor,

1229
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:33,080
Speaker 1: fed the pigs to the pigs. Yeah yeah, yeah.

1230
01:09:32,479 --> 01:09:35,000
Speaker 2: I just think she I agree with Josh.

1231
01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:35,439
Speaker 1: She is.

1232
01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:39,720
Speaker 2: She's iconic and and she deserves it.

1233
01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:41,479
Speaker 1: She deserves she deserves it.

1234
01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:45,200
Speaker 5: She represents not just about America, but also bear grease

1235
01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:47,320
Speaker 5: and kind of the heart of bears.

1236
01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:49,720
Speaker 1: She'll be our she'll be our first lady on here

1237
01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:50,080
Speaker 1: as well.

1238
01:09:50,360 --> 01:09:53,880
Speaker 4: Oh we ain't voted yet. Well, if she is, we

1239
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:58,000
Speaker 4: we are. We just taking her for consideration. Now I'm

1240
01:09:58,000 --> 01:09:59,000
Speaker 4: calling for a vote.

1241
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:02,640
Speaker 1: I have a man that's called for a vote.

1242
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:06,080
Speaker 3: A second.

1243
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:13,440
Speaker 1: Record show everyone who would like stick.

1244
01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:17,440
Speaker 2: Around about parliamentary procedure, and I appreciate.

1245
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:19,280
Speaker 3: That I get the chance to do it right.

1246
01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:23,600
Speaker 1: That's right, all right, everybody who would like to induct

1247
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:29,040
Speaker 1: induct Ava Barnes Henderson, also known as Granny Henderson, also

1248
01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:34,240
Speaker 1: known as EV to the people on the river, I

1249
01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:36,000
Speaker 1: would like all them what am I.

1250
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:39,919
Speaker 3: Supposed to say?

1251
01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:46,920
Speaker 1: All oppositions say Nay, we have it. Grannie Henderson. Granny

1252
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:53,120
Speaker 1: Henderson is here. Yeah, there we go.

1253
01:10:57,240 --> 01:10:58,479
Speaker 3: This one's really getting the plot.

1254
01:10:58,760 --> 01:10:58,920
Speaker 4: I know.

1255
01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:01,320
Speaker 1: I don't want it to look like we knew this

1256
01:11:01,479 --> 01:11:02,480
Speaker 1: was going to happen.

1257
01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:06,880
Speaker 2: But just just in case, you had.

1258
01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:13,639
Speaker 1: Just in case we had made Davy Crockett and Ava

1259
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:18,400
Speaker 1: Granny Barnes Henderson's and it says Buffalo River Martyr, Like.

1260
01:11:19,280 --> 01:11:21,680
Speaker 2: What does what does David Crockett say?

1261
01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:22,919
Speaker 1: Tennessee backwoods?

1262
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:25,640
Speaker 2: Tennessee's got some pretty good representation.

1263
01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:28,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, Tennessee, Man, it's great place. I love Tennessee.

1264
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:31,440
Speaker 2: And oh holy from Mississippi.

1265
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:39,599
Speaker 1: Well, do y'all have anybody else that what about Astola? Yeah?

1266
01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:45,800
Speaker 1: Codered about question four part series Insola. Well, what's your pitch?

1267
01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:47,479
Speaker 1: Do you think he should be in the Hall of Fame?

1268
01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:50,679
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I think he's kind of like, uh.

1269
01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:54,200
Speaker 1: I think it's similar to like Daniel Boone and Davy

1270
01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:57,680
Speaker 1: Crockett would be to Cumsa in Ostola.

1271
01:11:58,680 --> 01:11:58,800
Speaker 4: Uh.

1272
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:05,120
Speaker 1: I think I think everything that you've talked about for

1273
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:08,800
Speaker 1: like Davy Crockett, his influence on the people kind of

1274
01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:12,800
Speaker 1: like just like rising up. I think Astola is like

1275
01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:15,519
Speaker 1: right there, the exact same thing. He just kind of

1276
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:20,760
Speaker 1: rose up out of the Florida I guess it was

1277
01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:26,439
Speaker 1: just the Everglades or seminal territory down there, and then

1278
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:31,720
Speaker 1: let a bunch of people. I think Osciola checks all

1279
01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:33,800
Speaker 1: the marks that the other people on the Hall of

1280
01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:35,080
Speaker 1: Fame checks.

1281
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:36,160
Speaker 2: Like Granny he was a martyr.

1282
01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:41,519
Speaker 5: Yeah, carries the unique designation that Bear has listened to

1283
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:44,280
Speaker 5: his podcast yep, hey.

1284
01:12:44,160 --> 01:12:46,639
Speaker 4: Sure, I want to go all four parts and saying

1285
01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:51,439
Speaker 4: that is anybody noticed Bear only used to say yep.

1286
01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:55,800
Speaker 4: And now he makes very valid points and sometimes he's talking.

1287
01:12:56,240 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 4: I wish he'd be quiet so I could say something outstand.

1288
01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:01,880
Speaker 7: It's very good.

1289
01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:07,160
Speaker 3: So so I'm not saying I disagree. The one the

1290
01:13:07,200 --> 01:13:12,360
Speaker 3: one question I have about Ostiola is that we don't

1291
01:13:12,439 --> 01:13:16,519
Speaker 3: know a whole lot about him. Like we know, we

1292
01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:21,840
Speaker 3: know like what happened to him, but we don't know

1293
01:13:22,360 --> 01:13:25,360
Speaker 3: necessarily what kind of character the man had. We don't

1294
01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:26,040
Speaker 3: know if he was.

1295
01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:29,439
Speaker 1: That's that's the Josh and I talked about this beforehand,

1296
01:13:29,439 --> 01:13:31,800
Speaker 1: and I don't well, I actually, what do you think, Brent?

1297
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:35,559
Speaker 1: Did you do you remember much about the Ostiola series?

1298
01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:40,040
Speaker 4: I do remember, you know, the my favorite part of

1299
01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:42,439
Speaker 4: that was the lady that was doing the research.

1300
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:46,559
Speaker 1: Doctor Wickman. Yeah, maybe we should induct doctor wick.

1301
01:13:46,439 --> 01:13:47,120
Speaker 3: Maybe we should.

1302
01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:50,519
Speaker 4: Uh it would I would probably have to go back

1303
01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:53,840
Speaker 4: and listen to some of them, But I mean, not

1304
01:13:53,960 --> 01:13:56,439
Speaker 4: everybody has John Anderson write a song about it.

1305
01:13:56,520 --> 01:13:57,200
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

1306
01:13:57,240 --> 01:14:00,680
Speaker 1: That is definitely a plain It's a big place. Do

1307
01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:02,280
Speaker 1: you remember much about Osciola Dad?

1308
01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:04,160
Speaker 3: Not a lot.

1309
01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:08,160
Speaker 6: I think he's worthy of being on there. But you know,

1310
01:14:08,240 --> 01:14:10,360
Speaker 6: if it came down to my vote, I'd like to

1311
01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:14,160
Speaker 6: listen to those podcasts again. But I think he's I

1312
01:14:14,200 --> 01:14:15,080
Speaker 6: think he's worthy.

1313
01:14:15,160 --> 01:14:15,679
Speaker 3: I mean.

1314
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:20,479
Speaker 6: We're talking about him. Yeah, embars for him.

1315
01:14:21,160 --> 01:14:23,280
Speaker 3: There's a difference between iconic and famous.

1316
01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:29,120
Speaker 5: You know, well, okay, I don't remember anything negative about

1317
01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:29,759
Speaker 5: his character.

1318
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:33,320
Speaker 1: Well see, that's that's kind of just the point when

1319
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:36,760
Speaker 1: you when I did the whole series on Ostiola, you

1320
01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:39,720
Speaker 1: come away with a lot of questions about who he

1321
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:43,799
Speaker 1: actually was as compared to it tokumpsa or a crocodd

1322
01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:47,759
Speaker 1: or a boon You. Uh, we skipped James Lawrence.

1323
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:49,280
Speaker 3: You did not, got it?

1324
01:14:49,640 --> 01:14:51,160
Speaker 1: I skipped James Lawrence.

1325
01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:53,400
Speaker 3: Shokes we got to talk about James definitely.

1326
01:14:53,479 --> 01:14:57,960
Speaker 1: I don't know how I did that Osciola. You you you,

1327
01:14:57,960 --> 01:14:59,800
Speaker 1: you really don't get a great picture of who he

1328
01:14:59,920 --> 01:15:02,840
Speaker 1: was us. There's not a lot recorded of like what

1329
01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:06,720
Speaker 1: he said, yeah, exactly, so there's a lot about what

1330
01:15:06,880 --> 01:15:11,880
Speaker 1: he did. Is his influence on people. You see little

1331
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:16,840
Speaker 1: vignettes of of kind of maybe an interaction he had

1332
01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:24,200
Speaker 1: with someone, but he he's kind of obscure. You don't,

1333
01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:27,240
Speaker 1: you don't really you kind of see a shadow almost,

1334
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:30,759
Speaker 1: you don't really see him. And that's the only reason

1335
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:32,920
Speaker 1: that I wouldn't have initially just been like he's a

1336
01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:35,680
Speaker 1: shoe in. I felt like we knew who Tokumpsa was

1337
01:15:37,240 --> 01:15:40,200
Speaker 1: when we got done with That Comes to Series, because

1338
01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:43,080
Speaker 1: so much of what he said was actually written down,

1339
01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:46,040
Speaker 1: and then there were a lot of people that talked

1340
01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:48,800
Speaker 1: about him, that interacted with him. Osceola was such a

1341
01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:53,640
Speaker 1: renegade living in the Everglades that he did have a

1342
01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:57,000
Speaker 1: lot of interaction with Europeans and different things.

1343
01:15:57,000 --> 01:16:00,240
Speaker 4: But well, there's a reason why you have an honorable.

1344
01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:02,080
Speaker 3: M hmm.

1345
01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:07,799
Speaker 1: Interesting, maybe a second smaller plaque or back.

1346
01:16:08,720 --> 01:16:09,360
Speaker 2: On the side.

1347
01:16:10,240 --> 01:16:14,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's if I were if I if I

1348
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:22,120
Speaker 1: would say it's not for any fault of his but

1349
01:16:22,200 --> 01:16:25,200
Speaker 1: I just don't have. I just couldn't quite put my

1350
01:16:25,439 --> 01:16:26,120
Speaker 1: hands on him.

1351
01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:29,840
Speaker 5: It's tricky to me because by the same metrics, you know,

1352
01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:34,200
Speaker 5: you measure his impact and you measure to me. I

1353
01:16:34,240 --> 01:16:38,479
Speaker 5: think his perseverance is a measure of character, his his

1354
01:16:38,600 --> 01:16:42,320
Speaker 5: decision to stand against the tide and to and to resist.

1355
01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:44,280
Speaker 2: I mean, I think that is resistance.

1356
01:16:44,439 --> 01:16:47,360
Speaker 3: Resistance, Yeah, that's a big one. Yeah, definitely.

1357
01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:49,840
Speaker 2: Plus yeah, I have respect for that.

1358
01:16:50,080 --> 01:16:55,679
Speaker 3: And that's resistance against injustice, not just you aren't convincing

1359
01:16:55,680 --> 01:16:58,240
Speaker 3: to me now, not just resistance.

1360
01:16:58,080 --> 01:17:01,760
Speaker 5: And resistance against be bought out and being I mean,

1361
01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:06,360
Speaker 5: he resisted not just in justice, but also the lure

1362
01:17:06,479 --> 01:17:10,720
Speaker 5: of of wealth. I'm sure you know he had opportunity.

1363
01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:13,400
Speaker 1: To opportunity to sell out his lamb.

1364
01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:15,240
Speaker 2: And he didn't. And that's that says something.

1365
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:17,120
Speaker 1: And and the Seminoles are still down here.

1366
01:17:17,479 --> 01:17:20,880
Speaker 3: I feel swayed now too. All the Texas just a

1367
01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:22,240
Speaker 3: little jabber.

1368
01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:27,760
Speaker 2: Jabber, Wow, Bear and I we're in. I think I

1369
01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:28,599
Speaker 2: can speak well.

1370
01:17:29,680 --> 01:17:31,400
Speaker 1: I would like I would like I would like to

1371
01:17:31,439 --> 01:17:36,240
Speaker 1: do something that only a true dictator could do. Is

1372
01:17:37,479 --> 01:17:41,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you Bear the authority to nominate him,

1373
01:17:42,040 --> 01:17:44,160
Speaker 1: and then we'll vote but you'll have to lead it.

1374
01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:47,400
Speaker 1: If you really feel like you should do this, Yeah,

1375
01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:49,920
Speaker 1: I think we should. I think we should nominate him

1376
01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:53,200
Speaker 1: because I think it's based on when you went the resistant, like.

1377
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:55,160
Speaker 3: Let them.

1378
01:17:57,240 --> 01:18:00,200
Speaker 1: Dictators choose when their friends get to see.

1379
01:18:00,840 --> 01:18:02,200
Speaker 3: No coffee, but you can speak.

1380
01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:07,600
Speaker 1: I mean I think like we maybe couldn't fully understand

1381
01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:09,920
Speaker 1: his character or anything, but I think you could look

1382
01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:12,880
Speaker 1: at like the product of his work and the impact

1383
01:18:12,960 --> 01:18:16,479
Speaker 1: that he had and can kind of assume that that

1384
01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:20,200
Speaker 1: didn't come from just like you know that that came

1385
01:18:20,240 --> 01:18:25,920
Speaker 1: from some really strong characteristics that are worth that you

1386
01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:27,880
Speaker 1: know could make him worthy of being on the Hall

1387
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:30,320
Speaker 1: of Fame. I think, even though we can't intually put

1388
01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:31,960
Speaker 1: our hand on it, I think you could look at

1389
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:35,160
Speaker 1: the the like fruit of his life and see that

1390
01:18:35,200 --> 01:18:38,880
Speaker 1: it was it was correlated with the Hall of Fame.

1391
01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:42,559
Speaker 1: I think you're right traits and he isn't John Anderson

1392
01:18:42,680 --> 01:18:43,960
Speaker 1: song yeap.

1393
01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:47,200
Speaker 3: So along with that, what would his what would his

1394
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:48,479
Speaker 3: descriptor be.

1395
01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:55,080
Speaker 1: Resistance? You know, we have to think about the words.

1396
01:18:57,560 --> 01:18:57,840
Speaker 3: It was.

1397
01:18:58,200 --> 01:19:00,519
Speaker 1: He was not a heretical chief. He was just a

1398
01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:04,679
Speaker 1: war leader. He just the way those systems work. It's

1399
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:08,240
Speaker 1: hard to even understand it, but they just rose based

1400
01:19:08,320 --> 01:19:09,160
Speaker 1: upon merit.

1401
01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:13,680
Speaker 4: I think it should be if it's approved, it is

1402
01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:14,679
Speaker 4: plain and simple.

1403
01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:22,680
Speaker 1: Osceola seminole, seminole and may leader of Seminole resistance. But

1404
01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:24,560
Speaker 1: to me, what what what he stood out there, like

1405
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:26,479
Speaker 1: I kind of wanted to grab hold of, is that

1406
01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:30,320
Speaker 1: every single thing was telling them that they should give

1407
01:19:30,360 --> 01:19:33,439
Speaker 1: in and they could not win this fight. And yet

1408
01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:36,519
Speaker 1: you know, it ended up being five hundred of them

1409
01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:40,280
Speaker 1: that were resisting. The entire United States military. It had

1410
01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:44,320
Speaker 1: spent fifty million dollars over a twenty year period trying

1411
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:47,160
Speaker 1: to get these these seminoles out of Florida, and they

1412
01:19:47,200 --> 01:19:49,840
Speaker 1: just finally were just like, you know what, just stay

1413
01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:50,280
Speaker 1: down there.

1414
01:19:51,200 --> 01:19:53,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, so let's put it to a vote where.

1415
01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:56,920
Speaker 5: And you can't you can't fault Daniel Boone or Davy

1416
01:19:56,960 --> 01:20:00,479
Speaker 5: Crockett for being a guy who wanted Achel Aid didn't

1417
01:20:00,479 --> 01:20:03,439
Speaker 5: want to. You know, there's an argument to be made

1418
01:20:03,439 --> 01:20:06,160
Speaker 5: that Osiola we don't know much about him because.

1419
01:20:05,960 --> 01:20:09,519
Speaker 3: He oh wow, he didn't want thirty three.

1420
01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:11,680
Speaker 5: That's what I said. I said, because he didn't want

1421
01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:12,599
Speaker 5: much known about him.

1422
01:20:12,680 --> 01:20:14,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true.

1423
01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:17,920
Speaker 2: And it's almost got to give him.

1424
01:20:17,960 --> 01:20:19,559
Speaker 1: I wish Stirling Hard Joe were here.

1425
01:20:19,640 --> 01:20:22,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, no kidding, he'd convince us all.

1426
01:20:22,320 --> 01:20:27,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and again. My initial reluctance was not anything

1427
01:20:27,280 --> 01:20:29,840
Speaker 1: against Ostiola. I just didn't quite feel like I know him.

1428
01:20:29,880 --> 01:20:31,920
Speaker 1: But now y'all have convinced me that I don't. I

1429
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:35,759
Speaker 1: don't really have to know him to qualify here. Well, Barrett, okay,

1430
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:38,000
Speaker 1: so I want you to do the official nomination and

1431
01:20:38,360 --> 01:20:42,560
Speaker 1: lead us here. We are officially nominating Osciola, leader of

1432
01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:45,720
Speaker 1: the Seminal Resistance. All in favor, say, I I.

1433
01:20:48,720 --> 01:20:49,360
Speaker 2: Didn't second.

1434
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:51,479
Speaker 3: We need a second for this second?

1435
01:20:54,320 --> 01:20:57,960
Speaker 1: Okay, All in favor?

1436
01:20:58,560 --> 01:21:01,400
Speaker 3: Wait, I just what again we have to do to

1437
01:21:05,880 --> 01:21:06,640
Speaker 3: all the posts?

1438
01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:14,360
Speaker 1: OLLI post? Say nay, wow, we got real shocker. Yeah,

1439
01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:17,920
Speaker 1: Ostiola talk about James Lawrence. Yeah, I don't know how

1440
01:21:17,960 --> 01:21:21,040
Speaker 1: I missed James Lawrence. James Lawrence is my dear friend

1441
01:21:21,160 --> 01:21:25,360
Speaker 1: from from here in Arkansas. Just to me, he was

1442
01:21:25,479 --> 01:21:29,720
Speaker 1: uh he he. One of the first episodes of Bear

1443
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:33,360
Speaker 1: Grease was about James, and to me, on a real

1444
01:21:33,439 --> 01:21:38,960
Speaker 1: personal level, he just kind of represented this this Arkansas backwoodsman,

1445
01:21:39,080 --> 01:21:42,120
Speaker 1: never asking for fame, never would have just kind of

1446
01:21:42,160 --> 01:21:48,599
Speaker 1: lived his life without much accolade, but just a really

1447
01:21:49,360 --> 01:21:54,439
Speaker 1: just loves just a true American sportsman and uh in

1448
01:21:54,479 --> 01:21:57,040
Speaker 1: a in a mentor to me and the kind of

1449
01:21:58,840 --> 01:21:59,960
Speaker 1: being Arkansas backwoodsman.

1450
01:22:00,720 --> 01:22:02,519
Speaker 3: So yeah, and the world would be a better place

1451
01:22:02,520 --> 01:22:04,760
Speaker 3: if there were more James Lawrence's out there there. Does

1452
01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:06,720
Speaker 3: it show on the plaque.

1453
01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:11,519
Speaker 1: It says Arkansas backwoodsman. Now, you wouldn't have wanted to

1454
01:22:12,360 --> 01:22:15,120
Speaker 1: have got on James wrong side back in the seventies.

1455
01:22:15,200 --> 01:22:18,760
Speaker 1: Let me just say that he did probably knock the

1456
01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:23,639
Speaker 1: teeth out, yeah, yeah, not yeah, he told me one

1457
01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:26,600
Speaker 1: time somebody made him mad and he rode his motorcycle

1458
01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:28,320
Speaker 1: down in their front yard and whooped him on their

1459
01:22:28,320 --> 01:22:28,920
Speaker 1: front porch.

1460
01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:33,599
Speaker 3: Then then definitely.

1461
01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:46,880
Speaker 1: Sometimes they just needed well productive meeting, productive meeting. Okay, well,

1462
01:22:47,560 --> 01:22:49,120
Speaker 1: well Josh, we got to get another. We got to

1463
01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:49,880
Speaker 1: get one for Austin.

1464
01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:51,720
Speaker 3: I'll get it, I'll get it, right.

1465
01:22:51,840 --> 01:22:53,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, So this is going to hang in a prominent

1466
01:22:53,640 --> 01:22:57,680
Speaker 1: place probably probably over here somewhere, but there we have it.

1467
01:22:57,800 --> 01:23:01,479
Speaker 1: Let's like it all right, all right, thanks guys for

1468
01:23:01,479 --> 01:23:06,200
Speaker 1: for listening. We uh today we did get Yeah, Brent,

1469
01:23:06,240 --> 01:23:07,120
Speaker 1: it's good to see you.

1470
01:23:07,280 --> 01:23:08,879
Speaker 3: Glad you're back, yes, sir.

1471
01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:12,880
Speaker 1: But uh, Misty, good to see you. Good to be here, everybody.

1472
01:23:13,280 --> 01:23:15,320
Speaker 1: The Oches keep the wild places wild because that's the

1473
01:23:15,320 --> 01:23:16,080
Speaker 3: Where the Ringers love