WEBVTT - Episode 100: Charles Barkley 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:01.120 The guys from paying. 0:00:01.240 --> 0:00:03.800 They've kind of showed me how much the equipment matters. 0:00:04.080 --> 0:00:05.920 I just love that I can hit any shot I 0:00:06.000 --> 0:00:06.560 kind of want. 0:00:06.640 --> 0:00:08.440 We're gonna be able to tell some fun stories about 0:00:08.440 --> 0:00:10.600 what goes on here to help golfers play better golf. 0:00:11.320 --> 0:00:12.080 What's up, everybody? 0:00:12.080 --> 0:00:14.400 Welcome back to the Pink proven Grounds Podcast Shane Bacon 0:00:14.440 --> 0:00:17.840 alongside Marty Jersey. We got a very special guest. I'd say, 0:00:17.880 --> 0:00:21.520 are our most famous, well known guest in one hundred 0:00:21.520 --> 0:00:23.599 episodes of this podcast, Charles Barkley. 0:00:23.720 --> 0:00:26.320 Man, y'all must be slacking. Dan. I know y'all did 0:00:26.360 --> 0:00:30.800 one hundred episode and you're there. You're the most notable one. 0:00:31.240 --> 0:00:33.600 So let's be honest. You're a notable fellow, you know. 0:00:33.720 --> 0:00:36.960 I man, you know what, Shane, It's been crazy to 0:00:36.960 --> 0:00:39.440 think about the life I've had, you know, from playing 0:00:39.560 --> 0:00:44.159 the NBA and then going straight into television. You know, man, 0:00:44.200 --> 0:00:48.120 it's been an amazing journey. I'm I I've been sick 0:00:48.200 --> 0:00:50.199 or three years without working. I'm on a roll. 0:00:50.920 --> 0:00:52.120 Will you work on your golf game? 0:00:52.680 --> 0:00:55.080 You know it's good. Thank God for Stan Utler who 0:00:55.120 --> 0:00:59.120 changed the entire dynamic. You know, Uh, golf is so 0:00:59.240 --> 0:01:04.760 much fun and being out there with your friends. Just 0:01:05.000 --> 0:01:09.120 like I love the walk because I live in Scottsdale, obviously, 0:01:09.200 --> 0:01:11.520 but I love being in Philly during the summer where 0:01:11.520 --> 0:01:14.039 you get to walk and man, we got some of 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:16.000 the best golf courses in the world in that area 0:01:16.040 --> 0:01:20.120 and those big ass trees. You walking down the fairy 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:23.280 when these trees been here hundreds years and you're like wow, 0:01:23.720 --> 0:01:25.920 And there's nothing like a beautiful day when it's not 0:01:25.959 --> 0:01:27.440 too hot and you're just out there in the middle 0:01:27.440 --> 0:01:29.120 of those trees. It's awesome. Marty. 0:01:29.160 --> 0:01:31.920 The interesting thing about moving from Arizona to the Northeast 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:34.280 is the difference in the walking. I just played an 0:01:34.319 --> 0:01:37.160 event at my club in old in Connecticut now, and 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:40.120 how like, how rare it is for me to be 0:01:40.200 --> 0:01:42.040 in a golf court golf cart in the Northeast. And 0:01:42.080 --> 0:01:43.760 then you come back to Arizona and nobody wants. 0:01:43.800 --> 0:01:45.880 Yeah, you got no choice. You know, you got no choice. 0:01:45.920 --> 0:01:49.160 You know what's crazy. So I live in Arizona, so 0:01:49.240 --> 0:01:53.960 I go the whole winter in a golf cart. And 0:01:54.000 --> 0:01:56.160 then I used to go to Lake Tahoe. You have 0:01:56.200 --> 0:01:58.280 to walk like four days in a row, and after 0:01:58.280 --> 0:02:02.440 two days you exhausted and now number when I was 0:02:02.480 --> 0:02:05.480 fat as hell, so that that didn't help. But I 0:02:05.480 --> 0:02:08.919 actually started training where I'm walking with a weighted vest, 0:02:09.080 --> 0:02:12.520 like twenty seven holes a day right now, trying to 0:02:12.520 --> 0:02:14.799 get ready, and like I've done that the last few years, 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:17.160 so it's easier for me to walk. I don't even 0:02:17.160 --> 0:02:21.839 get tired anymore. But it's amazing how difficult trying to walk. 0:02:21.960 --> 0:02:24.919 Especially you see what these guys go through four days 0:02:24.960 --> 0:02:27.720 in a row, because that's the only time I walked 0:02:27.760 --> 0:02:28.760 four days in the row. 0:02:29.320 --> 0:02:31.919 Yeah, yeah, yeah, Charles, tell us about how you got 0:02:31.960 --> 0:02:34.920 started with Stan. How'd you get started and what's that 0:02:35.000 --> 0:02:36.840 process been like, it's been really fun to watch from 0:02:36.840 --> 0:02:37.799 the outside. 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:42.360 You know, it's been amazing. So and to be honest 0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:45.000 with you, I had given up because I had been 0:02:45.320 --> 0:02:51.040 humiliating myself for probably probably twenty years, and I said, 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:53.960 you know what, this is not even fun. I tried everything, 0:02:54.720 --> 0:02:56.440 and let me tell you, people at home don't ever 0:02:56.440 --> 0:02:59.280 get hypnotized. That's the most BS thing ever. 0:03:00.360 --> 0:03:02.679 That's the clip I did. 0:03:02.760 --> 0:03:04.760 I woke up. I had a good nap, but I 0:03:04.760 --> 0:03:07.720 woke up with the same crappy golf swing. Uh it's 0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:11.120 so funny. We were at it was a son's game, 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:16.760 and I saw the hypnotist do this crazy stuff and 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:19.720 I got his card. So I called him in the 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:21.400 middle of the summer and say, man, I need some 0:03:21.440 --> 0:03:23.919 help with my golf game. But I did. I woke 0:03:24.040 --> 0:03:26.840 up with a good nap and with the same crappy 0:03:26.880 --> 0:03:29.919 golf swing. So but to get back to your question, 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:32.400 so I had given up one hundred percent giving up. 0:03:32.400 --> 0:03:36.880 I played for charity. I only played in charity events 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:38.800 for people I know and like, and I played in 0:03:38.880 --> 0:03:42.760 Lake Tahoe. I was actually playing Tom Lehman's golf tournament 0:03:42.760 --> 0:03:46.200 here in Scottsdale, and Stan came up to me and 0:03:46.280 --> 0:03:48.240 he said, Chuck, won't you let me work with you? 0:03:48.320 --> 0:03:51.400 I said, stand on and gave up on golf. It's 0:03:51.440 --> 0:03:54.160 just not fun for me to play. I'll embarrass myself 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:56.720 for charity, but it's not fun for me to play. 0:03:56.760 --> 0:04:00.119 Nobody wants to suck, especially with you in front of crowds. 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:01.800 But I was giving him. He says, you no, just 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:04.080 give me a chance, and I said, stand I, you 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:06.000 know what, it ain't that big of a deal. I 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:08.960 played for charity. Blah blah, blah, and he was persistent 0:04:09.920 --> 0:04:11.520 and I said, you know what's staying. I got nothing 0:04:11.560 --> 0:04:14.680 to lose. And it was one of the best decisions 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:17.720 I ever made. And we got together and he said, 0:04:17.720 --> 0:04:19.920 what happened? I said, dude, I was a really good player. 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:22.400 I was probably a six seven handicap when I got 0:04:22.440 --> 0:04:27.160 traded to Phoenix. And then I wanted to get better 0:04:27.200 --> 0:04:30.279 because Dan Marty was kicking my butt all the time. 0:04:30.400 --> 0:04:34.560 He's a really, really good golfer. So I started taking 0:04:34.680 --> 0:04:40.279 lessons from every time, Dick and Harry and something just 0:04:40.760 --> 0:04:42.920 what me made me go haywire. 0:04:42.640 --> 0:04:45.080 Like multiple lessons a week, no, like. 0:04:45.120 --> 0:04:48.640 Just different lessons from different people. And what was interesting, 0:04:48.680 --> 0:04:50.680 by the Shane, when I was standing over the golf ball, 0:04:50.720 --> 0:04:53.600 I had like five people talking to me. I was like, 0:04:54.360 --> 0:04:56.719 and one of the things Stan said to me, he said, 0:04:56.720 --> 0:04:58.440 I think you're scared to play golf because we were 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:00.560 spending a whole day on the range. But I wouldn't 0:05:00.560 --> 0:05:03.160 go to the golf course because you can't miss. Can't 0:05:03.160 --> 0:05:06.599 miss on the range. And I said, man, I said, 0:05:06.640 --> 0:05:09.920 I am scared to play golf because when I'm standing 0:05:09.960 --> 0:05:12.800 over the golf ball, like I got a bunch of 0:05:13.120 --> 0:05:16.640 people talking to me, and I'm like, well he said this, 0:05:17.720 --> 0:05:21.280 he said this, and you know you hear golf pros talk. 0:05:21.400 --> 0:05:24.480 You can't think golf, swing and be a good player. 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:27.960 And like I say, my brain was basically fried for 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:31.960 twenty years, maybe longer. I'd be honest with you. And man, 0:05:32.040 --> 0:05:34.320 I thank goodness I met Stan because he's been a 0:05:34.320 --> 0:05:36.960 Godchad and I can go out there and I'm gonna 0:05:37.000 --> 0:05:40.479 shoot a good score or play well, and that's all 0:05:40.520 --> 0:05:42.600 you want. I mean to be honest with you, like 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:44.720 I can break eighty every now and then if I 0:05:44.760 --> 0:05:48.080 play well, but I'm gonna shoot somewhere in the high 0:05:48.200 --> 0:05:50.760 seventies or eighty four eighty five, and that's good enough 0:05:50.760 --> 0:05:51.000 for me. 0:05:51.240 --> 0:05:54.000 What clicked, like, what was the maybe let's call it 0:05:54.040 --> 0:05:57.080 the line or the maybe the idea that Stan walked 0:05:57.080 --> 0:05:58.159 you into, Well. 0:05:58.040 --> 0:06:00.479 I think the number one thing he said, you a 0:06:00.560 --> 0:06:04.960 big old dude. Stop trying to swing like a pro. 0:06:05.279 --> 0:06:09.160 Like you can't get in their positions. He said, you're 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:11.719 trying to hit the ball. I said, what he says, 0:06:12.120 --> 0:06:14.719 You're never going to be as flexible where you make 0:06:14.800 --> 0:06:18.960 a turn like a pro. He's you got wear and 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:22.080 tear on your body that time I was fat. He says, 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:25.279 you can't get in those positions. He said, you got 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:27.480 to get from A to B to C. That's all 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:30.240 you're trying to do. And we hit a bunch of 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:34.920 shots with my eyes closed. Didn't hit great shots, but 0:06:35.320 --> 0:06:38.159 it was really just working on a swing thought. He 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:41.160 got me to the point, hey, just listen to one 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:44.480 swing throat thought. And like I said, it took a while, 0:06:45.120 --> 0:06:47.839 but I feel really good when I go to the 0:06:47.880 --> 0:06:49.360 golf course now, and like I said, I'm just out 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:51.239 there to have fun. Not a lot of old people 0:06:51.240 --> 0:06:51.600 can do. 0:06:52.120 --> 0:06:54.080 I mean, it's it's interesting because I'm sure there's a 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:56.800 level of like be athletic, like like just leaning into 0:06:56.800 --> 0:06:59.920 the athleticism versus thinking about it from the from the 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:01.640 start of the swing to the back of the swing. 0:07:01.680 --> 0:07:04.359 There's like the famous Brad Faxon story about working with 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:06.600 Rory on his putting and making him hit puts with 0:07:06.640 --> 0:07:08.800 a seven iron in a three wood. Yeah, because he's like, 0:07:08.839 --> 0:07:10.800 if you hit a putt with a seven iron and 0:07:10.840 --> 0:07:12.520 you can make the ten twelve footter, then obviously you 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:13.920 can do with the putter. You're just overthinking. 0:07:13.960 --> 0:07:18.680 But it's all sports are mental, and to think about it, 0:07:18.760 --> 0:07:21.320 all sports are mental. But there's a lot of failure. 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:25.840 There's a lot of failure. But for some reason, like 0:07:25.880 --> 0:07:28.600 I didn't care about missing a shot in basketball, right. 0:07:29.640 --> 0:07:32.200 Payne Stewart was a good friend of mine. We were 0:07:32.200 --> 0:07:34.920 playing in Barcelona, Spain one time and he said it 0:07:34.960 --> 0:07:36.360 had a great line. He says, dude, why are you 0:07:36.440 --> 0:07:39.040 getting mad? I said, man, I hate hitting bad shots. 0:07:39.040 --> 0:07:41.640 He said, you ain't good enough to get mad, and 0:07:41.720 --> 0:07:43.960 I started laughing. He said, what he said, Chuck, You're 0:07:44.040 --> 0:07:50.560 not good enough to be mad. So now and you 0:07:50.600 --> 0:07:52.920 can see, like even when you watch the best players 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:57.360 in the world now, they hit bad shots. For some reason, amateurs, 0:07:58.520 --> 0:08:05.160 we overreact to every bad shot. Like you see guys 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:08.200 hit bad shots all the time, even Tiger and Is, Hey, 0:08:08.200 --> 0:08:11.760 they hit bad shots. But you know, for some reason, amateurs, 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:14.040 when you miss a when you hit a bad shot, 0:08:14.080 --> 0:08:17.040 you're like, oh, I gotta go back. No, dude, you're 0:08:17.040 --> 0:08:20.480 gonna hit bad shots. And that's the number one thing 0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:24.239 you have to learn as a golfer. Get that ball 0:08:24.320 --> 0:08:26.960 back in the play and try to make a bogie. 0:08:27.120 --> 0:08:29.440 Try to save part and make a bogie. Don't make 0:08:29.440 --> 0:08:32.640 a double bogie. Don't try no trick stuff. This ain't 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:36.040 pool where you're trying to bank it around three times. 0:08:36.640 --> 0:08:39.120 Just get the ball back in the play. So I've 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:41.679 learned to be a better thinker on the golf course. 0:08:41.679 --> 0:08:43.120 But the main thing, I'm just going out there to 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:46.480 have fun, make a good swing. If it goes in 0:08:46.520 --> 0:08:48.960 the trees, chip it out and go get it. 0:08:49.400 --> 0:08:52.319 Yeah, I mean, I mean Marty. I remember buddy mind 0:08:52.320 --> 0:08:54.199 Greg Harmon, who's living in things forever and was like 0:08:54.240 --> 0:08:56.520 a really really good player in his prime, like one 0:08:56.559 --> 0:08:58.320 of the better ball strikers that I would play consistent 0:08:58.360 --> 0:09:00.200 golf with. I remember one time he told me I 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:02.360 hit five good shots a day, and I didn't play 0:09:02.400 --> 0:09:04.680 when he was shooting sixty five and sixty four. And 0:09:04.760 --> 0:09:06.559 I remember he said that, and it kind of opened 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:08.600 my brain up a little bit. It's like this dude's 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:10.640 only hitting five good golf shots today, then, I mean, 0:09:10.640 --> 0:09:12.560 I've got to kind of restructure the way I think 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:13.160 about the game. 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:15.920 That's how Jack Nichols talked about that one time. He says, 0:09:15.960 --> 0:09:18.800 you only hit great shots probably ten to fifteen percent 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:21.439 of the time. These other shots it's a little missed. 0:09:21.480 --> 0:09:25.520 Some missus are worse than others. But you know, for 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:30.880 some reason, amateurs always overreact. And that's the one thing 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:33.520 we gotta I tell all my friends, you got it, man, dude, 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:35.960 we gonna hit bad shots, just find a way to score. 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:39.520 That's actually the biggest aspect of my life that I'm 0:09:39.520 --> 0:09:41.199 trying to work on right now. To be honest with 0:09:41.240 --> 0:09:46.640 your Shane, I got to learn how to score, get 0:09:46.800 --> 0:09:49.240 up and down, or get up and make a bogie 0:09:49.320 --> 0:09:53.320 instead of a double bogie. And I've learned a lot 0:09:53.360 --> 0:09:55.320 from a lot obviously. I got a lot of friends 0:09:55.320 --> 0:09:59.360 who play pro golf. I was asking them about the 0:09:59.360 --> 0:10:03.439 short game because I never worked on my short game ever. 0:10:04.440 --> 0:10:06.040 And I say, yo, man, how much time do you 0:10:06.120 --> 0:10:08.680 spend on your short game. They're like seventy thirty. I says, 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:10.640 what do you mean you work? You work on your 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:12.440 short game thirty percent of the time. They're like, no, 0:10:12.520 --> 0:10:14.360 we work on our short game seven percent of the time. 0:10:14.400 --> 0:10:18.319 I said why he's They're like, we work because we're 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:21.160 gonna hit good shots, but you save all your shots, 0:10:21.160 --> 0:10:24.720 which a short game. And I was like, I never 0:10:24.760 --> 0:10:26.920 work on my short game. They're like, we can tell. 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:33.240 And I was like okay, but that's actually sometime in 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:35.520 the next two weeks, I'm gonna go spend some time 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:39.000 with Stand and Veil because I really want to be 0:10:39.000 --> 0:10:42.320 better around the greens on my chipping and putting. My 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:47.000 Putton's fine, but my chipping, because that's the one thing 0:10:47.080 --> 0:10:49.640 that I have never spent enough time on. Because everybody 0:10:49.679 --> 0:10:51.640 want to hit the ball with their driver and their 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:54.319 irons and things like that. But if you're going to score, 0:10:54.360 --> 0:10:55.640 you got to be able to get up and down. 0:10:55.679 --> 0:10:57.400 That's the one thing I hate about pros. I'm not 0:10:57.440 --> 0:11:00.320 gonna lie, so I played with a lot of rolls. 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:03.640 Them foods get up and down every damn time, and 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:06.319 and the thing is scary. They're trying to make it. 0:11:07.760 --> 0:11:09.600 You see it across the board. I mean, I'm sure 0:11:09.600 --> 0:11:11.000 you see it all the time, Mart when you're playing 0:11:11.000 --> 0:11:11.839 those match play events. 0:11:11.920 --> 0:11:14.040 Yeah, yeah, yeah, chipping in or whatever. 0:11:14.120 --> 0:11:16.760 Yeah, that's one thing I hate about mc cord, like 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:19.760 one thing. Yeah, this is the only thing I hate about. 0:11:20.200 --> 0:11:23.079 When some guy want to pro hits a bad shot, 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:26.440 he always says, oh, that's an easy chip. He got 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:28.040 a lot of green to work with. I'm like, what 0:11:28.120 --> 0:11:31.480 the hell does that name? What I got a lot 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:33.959 of green to work with, and I was like, that's 0:11:34.000 --> 0:11:36.120 the one thing I don't want to hear. I got 0:11:36.160 --> 0:11:37.760 a lot of green to work with, so I got 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:40.200 to do this like for real. But you know, Gary 0:11:40.280 --> 0:11:41.680 is one of the best to ever do it, and 0:11:41.679 --> 0:11:44.480 I play with him every now and then. But he's hilarious. 0:11:44.480 --> 0:11:48.040 But every time I'm watching golf, these guys say, well, 0:11:48.080 --> 0:11:51.240 that's an easy bunker shot or an easy chip shot, 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:53.320 and I'm like, I hate you dude so much. 0:11:53.400 --> 0:11:56.079 Right now, Chuck, where are you out on your golf journey, 0:11:56.080 --> 0:11:57.880 because you you spend a lot of time on the 0:11:57.960 --> 0:12:01.000 range for a while, right, yes, but you playing? Yes, 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:03.400 where you're at right now? You're playing practicing a little both. 0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:05.200 I'm doing a little bit of both. I'm probably a 0:12:05.280 --> 0:12:09.000 ten right now. I'm gonna play well. Like I say, 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:12.080 if you got to hit good shots. I know that 0:12:12.160 --> 0:12:14.160 sounds stupid, but you got to hit good shots. But 0:12:14.240 --> 0:12:18.480 I'm a legit ten right now and I'm playing well. Uh, 0:12:18.600 --> 0:12:20.520 this is my favorite time of the year. 0:12:21.120 --> 0:12:24.800 You know. I'm like a well paid teacher, Like I 0:12:24.840 --> 0:12:26.200 get the entire summer off. 0:12:26.840 --> 0:12:30.440 It's like the biggest understatement about well paid teacher. 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:32.439 Shout out to all the teachers out there. I admire y'all 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:36.199 and respect what y'all doing. Nurses, firemen, and policemen, shout 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:38.839 out to all of y'all. But I tell people I'm 0:12:38.880 --> 0:12:42.280 like a well paid teacher. Like the day of season ended, 0:12:42.320 --> 0:12:45.920 I'm off until like October, and I pretty much play 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:49.560 golf like every single day. Uh, And I love it. 0:12:50.880 --> 0:12:55.120 I do. I like being out there. You know, you know, 0:12:55.240 --> 0:13:00.800 it keeps you vibrant, gives you It's a great exercise. 0:13:01.600 --> 0:13:03.880 But the main thing, man, just get out the damn 0:13:03.960 --> 0:13:06.240 house and Johnt Jones be on the couch all the time. 0:13:07.320 --> 0:13:09.080 Do you always have a game going when you play 0:13:09.160 --> 0:13:11.760 or do you ever just play just to play a 0:13:12.080 --> 0:13:12.640 trick question? 0:13:12.720 --> 0:13:15.600 Of course, we got a game going. Yeah, we always 0:13:15.640 --> 0:13:18.840 got a We actually got three games going. We got 0:13:18.840 --> 0:13:21.800 to have three different best with every guy. And probably 0:13:21.840 --> 0:13:23.640 it's a lot of time. We have a bunch of foods. 0:13:23.679 --> 0:13:25.559 We have like going with the group behind us and 0:13:25.600 --> 0:13:29.360 a group behind us. But one hundred percent of the time, 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:33.440 and I think that's what make uh. That's one of 0:13:33.440 --> 0:13:36.320 the things that make golf fun. It's one of the 0:13:36.400 --> 0:13:41.360 few games where you can make it somewhat on even 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:47.480 footing like in basketball you can't. There's no handicap in football, 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:51.160 like a great pitcher is not gonna let a guy say, hey, 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:54.040 I'm gonna let you. I'm gonna give you five strikes 0:13:54.160 --> 0:13:58.040 or five balls like it's mono or mono. That's one 0:13:58.080 --> 0:14:01.760 of the cool things about golf, the ability to make 0:14:01.800 --> 0:14:05.640 it somewhat The handicapping system makes it somewhat fair. 0:14:06.400 --> 0:14:09.760 You got traded to the Sons in ninety two, ninety two, 0:14:09.880 --> 0:14:11.920 but you played before then. When did you start playing? 0:14:12.520 --> 0:14:16.160 I started playing golf when I was twenty six or 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:19.480 twenty seven. It was a really it was a day 0:14:19.680 --> 0:14:22.000 because we didn't play a lot of golf during the season, 0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:26.120 but we had a few days off and Andrew Tony says, Chuck, 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:27.760 what are you doing today? I said, well, I'm probably 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:30.160 gonna go because I go see the movies a lot. 0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:33.880 I'm a big movie fan, cause that's one of the 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:36.480 few places golfing. Movies are one of the few plays 0:14:36.520 --> 0:14:39.040 you go you can get peace and quiet. For some reason, 0:14:39.040 --> 0:14:40.800 people think when you go to the dry cleaner you 0:14:40.840 --> 0:14:44.160 want to talk to him, or you go to the supermarket, 0:14:44.240 --> 0:14:46.600 they'll always ask you what you're doing here. I'm like, yeah, 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:48.680 I'm here. It's a dry cleaner food. I'm here to 0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:51.520 get dry cleaning. Now getting a burrito, Yeah, that's right. 0:14:51.680 --> 0:14:53.360 You go to the supermarket, They're like, what are you 0:14:53.400 --> 0:14:56.880 doing here, I'm shopping food. People always ask that a question. 0:14:56.960 --> 0:14:59.840 But with golf, man, you go out to it's just 0:15:00.120 --> 0:15:04.240 good to be away away from society, and even though 0:15:04.600 --> 0:15:06.920 dealing with the people part of your gig, just getting 0:15:06.960 --> 0:15:09.280 away from it somewhat is always fun. 0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:11.880 So you get into it in Philly, you're in your 0:15:11.920 --> 0:15:15.200 mid twenties, you move out to Arizona. Did that like 0:15:15.320 --> 0:15:17.160 moving here? And there's obviously a ton of golf. 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:20.720 Actually, the first time, the first time I played golf 0:15:20.720 --> 0:15:24.200 with Andrew, I think I was starting to become a 0:15:24.240 --> 0:15:26.960 stud I think, you know, I was starting to because 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:28.360 you know, if you come out of college, you start 0:15:28.440 --> 0:15:30.120 back at the bottom. I was starting to become an 0:15:30.160 --> 0:15:33.120 All star and things like that. I could not believe 0:15:33.240 --> 0:15:35.600 as talented as I was, I couldn't hit something that 0:15:35.720 --> 0:15:40.200 was standing still. That was like, no, man, I'm one 0:15:40.280 --> 0:15:42.800 of the best players in the world. I know damn well, 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:46.520 I can hit something standing still and you know what 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:50.960 you can't. And I was like, I couldn't wait for 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:55.240 the season to be over to start playing golf. And 0:15:55.280 --> 0:15:58.360 ever since then, and I will tell you this, it 0:15:58.440 --> 0:16:03.440 is probably the most addictive thing I've ever done in 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:05.560 my life. Like there was times I got tired of 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:09.680 playing basketball. I never get tired of playing golf ever. 0:16:10.360 --> 0:16:13.840 I mean, it is so much fun, you know, just 0:16:13.880 --> 0:16:16.800 to be out there with your friends talking trash. But 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:20.480 like it is the most addictive thing I've ever been 0:16:20.520 --> 0:16:20.960 a part of. 0:16:21.080 --> 0:16:23.160 Yeah, trying to get better. I mean it's a journey 0:16:23.240 --> 0:16:27.040 that I think you mentioned the ability to play anybody, right, 0:16:27.080 --> 0:16:28.800 I mean, I think it's really unique to golf. You 0:16:28.800 --> 0:16:31.240 can't do it in tennis, can basketball, can do it football? 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:33.000 I mean, I'm not going to go play Josh Allen 0:16:33.000 --> 0:16:35.200 in football, right, but the fact that you can do that, 0:16:35.280 --> 0:16:38.520 and I think that level Marty, of always trying to 0:16:38.520 --> 0:16:40.440 get better is also that part of golf that I 0:16:40.480 --> 0:16:42.000 think is so unique is like you can be a 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:45.160 terrible golfer beginning golfer. You can be an elite golfer 0:16:45.200 --> 0:16:47.840 like Tiger who's changing his swing in his prime, right 0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:49.680 because he's just trying to get more consistent and better. 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:51.680 Yeah, that addiction to it. 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:55.360 Who do you like to play with up at Whisper Rock. 0:16:55.440 --> 0:16:56.920 I've heard you get some games with them. 0:16:56.920 --> 0:16:58.240 Also, I heard you don't play that much. 0:16:58.920 --> 0:17:02.800 I don't because like those guys all good players. I 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:05.320 go up there and practice and hang out with them 0:17:05.560 --> 0:17:08.960 coldest probably them knows. That's the probably the most annoying 0:17:09.000 --> 0:17:13.280 person at the Rock. He is one of the little 0:17:15.600 --> 0:17:20.399 just the little michelin man. Uh, that's my guido. But 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:24.679 I don't play at my home course a lot because 0:17:25.160 --> 0:17:27.919 Number One, I played with riff raff and I'm not 0:17:28.000 --> 0:17:33.040 taking riff raft to my around real people. We need 0:17:33.080 --> 0:17:35.080 to be we need we need to we need a 0:17:35.080 --> 0:17:39.320 little flexibility. Like you know, my guys are all we're 0:17:39.359 --> 0:17:42.760 all has bends and it's a lot of trash talking. 0:17:42.840 --> 0:17:47.440 It's loud. I'm smoking cigars, they're talking trash. So it's 0:17:47.480 --> 0:17:50.800 best that we play like public courses and things like that. 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:53.920 Are you surprised that golf has continued to be as 0:17:53.960 --> 0:17:57.120 popular with pro athletes like and now kind of popular 0:17:57.440 --> 0:17:59.240 as they're in their prime. I mean, it felt like 0:17:59.240 --> 0:18:01.600 there was a time where you retire and you got 0:18:01.640 --> 0:18:03.439 into golf. Right now, it feels like the guys are 0:18:03.440 --> 0:18:06.680 obsessed with playing football, basketball, hockey, anything. 0:18:07.240 --> 0:18:10.040 Well, a couple of reasons. Number One, when you get old, 0:18:10.080 --> 0:18:12.960 that's not a lot you can do. You can't play basketball, 0:18:13.840 --> 0:18:16.960 you definitely can't play football, You definitely can't play baseball. 0:18:17.440 --> 0:18:22.320 But golf, man, it's always a challenge. You always playing 0:18:22.359 --> 0:18:27.560 with three of your good friends. So now these young 0:18:27.640 --> 0:18:31.840 guys they really start was like, yo, man, once you 0:18:31.920 --> 0:18:35.240 start playing, you're gonna be addicted to it. And now 0:18:35.280 --> 0:18:37.479 they just like, let me try it. Now they're all 0:18:37.520 --> 0:18:41.439 addicted to it. I mean, it's great to see. But 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:46.520 I think the main thing for these guys all the jocks, Man, 0:18:46.680 --> 0:18:50.439 you got to get your ass out the house. Like, 0:18:51.000 --> 0:18:56.399 what are you gonna do? I remember Michael Jordan the 0:18:56.400 --> 0:18:59.120 first time he retired, he says, you know, and everybody 0:18:59.119 --> 0:19:01.040 said the same thing. Well, I got all this money, 0:19:01.119 --> 0:19:03.320 I'm just gonna chill and enjoy the rest of my life. 0:19:04.000 --> 0:19:07.879 I said, that's great. The first month, it's great. The 0:19:07.960 --> 0:19:12.560 second month after that you're like, man, I'm bored as hell. 0:19:13.480 --> 0:19:16.280 I'm like, yo, man, we know you're gonna be bored 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:19.680 as hell. But like I say, there's not a lot 0:19:19.800 --> 0:19:21.960 you can do it. We're not stupid enough to play pickleball. 0:19:22.119 --> 0:19:23.600 That's just a way for old people to get hurt. 0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:29.520 That's pickleball just away for old me. Listen, my doctor friends, 0:19:29.800 --> 0:19:32.760 they are so in love with pickleball right now. They're like, 0:19:33.000 --> 0:19:35.959 it's a gift that keeps giving. I got this new vacation, 0:19:36.080 --> 0:19:38.600 I got this new plan now because all these old people. 0:19:38.800 --> 0:19:40.880 Just amount of time before you get hurt if you're 0:19:40.880 --> 0:19:44.040 playing pickleball. Because even if you not play, and even 0:19:44.040 --> 0:19:47.240 if you haven't played sports, if you have put wear 0:19:47.320 --> 0:19:51.359 and tear on your body for most of your life, 0:19:51.560 --> 0:19:54.040 even if you like just walking and things like that, 0:19:54.080 --> 0:19:56.639