1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:01,120 Speaker 1: The guys from paying. 2 00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 2: They've kind of showed me how much the equipment matters. 3 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 2: I just love that I can hit any shot I 4 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 2: kind of want. 5 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 3: We're gonna be able to tell some fun stories about 6 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 3: what goes on here to help golfers play better golf. 7 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? 8 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Pink proven Grounds Podcast Shane Bacon 9 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 2: alongside Marty Jersey. We got a very special guest. I'd say, 10 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 2: are our most famous, well known guest in one hundred 11 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:23,599 Speaker 2: episodes of this podcast, Charles Barkley. 12 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 1: Man, y'all must be slacking. Dan. I know y'all did 13 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: one hundred episode and you're there. You're the most notable one. 14 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 1: So let's be honest. You're a notable fellow, you know. 15 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: I man, you know what, Shane, It's been crazy to 16 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: think about the life I've had, you know, from playing 17 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 1: the NBA and then going straight into television. You know, man, 18 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: it's been an amazing journey. I'm I I've been sick 19 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:50,199 Speaker 1: or three years without working. I'm on a roll. 20 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 2: Will you work on your golf game? 21 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: You know it's good. Thank God for Stan Utler who 22 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 1: changed the entire dynamic. You know, Uh, golf is so 23 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 1: much fun and being out there with your friends. Just 24 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 1: like I love the walk because I live in Scottsdale, obviously, 25 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: but I love being in Philly during the summer where 26 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 1: you get to walk and man, we got some of 27 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: the best golf courses in the world in that area 28 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 1: and those big ass trees. You walking down the fairy 29 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: when these trees been here hundreds years and you're like wow, 30 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: And there's nothing like a beautiful day when it's not 31 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 1: too hot and you're just out there in the middle 32 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 1: of those trees. It's awesome. Marty. 33 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 2: The interesting thing about moving from Arizona to the Northeast 34 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 2: is the difference in the walking. I just played an 35 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 2: event at my club in old in Connecticut now, and 36 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 2: how like, how rare it is for me to be 37 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:42,040 Speaker 2: in a golf court golf cart in the Northeast. And 38 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 2: then you come back to Arizona and nobody wants. 39 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, you got no choice. You know, you got no choice. 40 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: You know what's crazy. So I live in Arizona, so 41 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: I go the whole winter in a golf cart. And 42 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: then I used to go to Lake Tahoe. You have 43 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 1: to walk like four days in a row, and after 44 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: two days you exhausted and now number when I was 45 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: fat as hell, so that that didn't help. But I 46 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 1: actually started training where I'm walking with a weighted vest, 47 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 1: like twenty seven holes a day right now, trying to 48 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:14,799 Speaker 1: get ready, and like I've done that the last few years, 49 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: so it's easier for me to walk. I don't even 50 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:21,839 Speaker 1: get tired anymore. But it's amazing how difficult trying to walk. 51 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,919 Speaker 1: Especially you see what these guys go through four days 52 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: in a row, because that's the only time I walked 53 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: four days in the row. 54 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Charles, tell us about how you got 55 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 3: started with Stan. How'd you get started and what's that 56 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 3: process been like, it's been really fun to watch from 57 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:37,799 Speaker 3: the outside. 58 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 1: You know, it's been amazing. So and to be honest 59 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: with you, I had given up because I had been 60 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 1: humiliating myself for probably probably twenty years, and I said, 61 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 1: you know what, this is not even fun. I tried everything, 62 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: and let me tell you, people at home don't ever 63 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: get hypnotized. That's the most BS thing ever. 64 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:02,679 Speaker 2: That's the clip I did. 65 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: I woke up. I had a good nap, but I 66 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: woke up with the same crappy golf swing. Uh it's 67 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 1: so funny. We were at it was a son's game, 68 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: and I saw the hypnotist do this crazy stuff and 69 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: I got his card. So I called him in the 70 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: middle of the summer and say, man, I need some 71 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:23,919 Speaker 1: help with my golf game. But I did. I woke 72 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 1: up with a good nap and with the same crappy 73 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 1: golf swing. So but to get back to your question, 74 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 1: so I had given up one hundred percent giving up. 75 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: I played for charity. I only played in charity events 76 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: for people I know and like, and I played in 77 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: Lake Tahoe. I was actually playing Tom Lehman's golf tournament 78 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 1: here in Scottsdale, and Stan came up to me and 79 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: he said, Chuck, won't you let me work with you? 80 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: I said, stand on and gave up on golf. It's 81 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: just not fun for me to play. I'll embarrass myself 82 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: for charity, but it's not fun for me to play. 83 00:03:56,760 --> 00:04:00,119 Speaker 1: Nobody wants to suck, especially with you in front of crowds. 84 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: But I was giving him. He says, you no, just 85 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: give me a chance, and I said, stand I, you 86 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 1: know what, it ain't that big of a deal. I 87 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: played for charity. Blah blah, blah, and he was persistent 88 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: and I said, you know what's staying. I got nothing 89 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 1: to lose. And it was one of the best decisions 90 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:17,720 Speaker 1: I ever made. And we got together and he said, 91 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 1: what happened? I said, dude, I was a really good player. 92 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: I was probably a six seven handicap when I got 93 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:27,160 Speaker 1: traded to Phoenix. And then I wanted to get better 94 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 1: because Dan Marty was kicking my butt all the time. 95 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 1: He's a really, really good golfer. So I started taking 96 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 1: lessons from every time, Dick and Harry and something just 97 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 1: what me made me go haywire. 98 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 2: Like multiple lessons a week, no, like. 99 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: Just different lessons from different people. And what was interesting, 100 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: by the Shane, when I was standing over the golf ball, 101 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:53,600 Speaker 1: I had like five people talking to me. I was like, 102 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 1: and one of the things Stan said to me, he said, 103 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: I think you're scared to play golf because we were 104 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: spending a whole day on the range. But I wouldn't 105 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,160 Speaker 1: go to the golf course because you can't miss. Can't 106 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 1: miss on the range. And I said, man, I said, 107 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 1: I am scared to play golf because when I'm standing 108 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: over the golf ball, like I got a bunch of 109 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: people talking to me, and I'm like, well he said this, 110 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:21,280 Speaker 1: he said this, and you know you hear golf pros talk. 111 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 1: You can't think golf, swing and be a good player. 112 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: And like I say, my brain was basically fried for 113 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 1: twenty years, maybe longer. I'd be honest with you. And man, 114 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: I thank goodness I met Stan because he's been a 115 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: Godchad and I can go out there and I'm gonna 116 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:40,479 Speaker 1: shoot a good score or play well, and that's all 117 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:42,600 Speaker 1: you want. I mean to be honest with you, like 118 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 1: I can break eighty every now and then if I 119 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: play well, but I'm gonna shoot somewhere in the high 120 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: seventies or eighty four eighty five, and that's good enough 121 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 1: for me. 122 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 2: What clicked, like, what was the maybe let's call it 123 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 2: the line or the maybe the idea that Stan walked 124 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:58,159 Speaker 2: you into, Well. 125 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:00,479 Speaker 1: I think the number one thing he said, you a 126 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: big old dude. Stop trying to swing like a pro. 127 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:09,160 Speaker 1: Like you can't get in their positions. He said, you're 128 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 1: trying to hit the ball. I said, what he says, 129 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 1: You're never going to be as flexible where you make 130 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 1: a turn like a pro. He's you got wear and 131 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: tear on your body that time I was fat. He says, 132 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:25,279 Speaker 1: you can't get in those positions. He said, you got 133 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 1: to get from A to B to C. That's all 134 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 1: you're trying to do. And we hit a bunch of 135 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 1: shots with my eyes closed. Didn't hit great shots, but 136 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:38,159 Speaker 1: it was really just working on a swing thought. He 137 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 1: got me to the point, hey, just listen to one 138 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 1: swing throat thought. And like I said, it took a while, 139 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 1: but I feel really good when I go to the 140 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 1: golf course now, and like I said, I'm just out 141 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:51,239 Speaker 1: there to have fun. Not a lot of old people 142 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 1: can do. 143 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's interesting because I'm sure there's a 144 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 2: level of like be athletic, like like just leaning into 145 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 2: the athleticism versus thinking about it from the from the 146 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 2: start of the swing to the back of the swing. 147 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:04,359 Speaker 2: There's like the famous Brad Faxon story about working with 148 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:06,600 Speaker 2: Rory on his putting and making him hit puts with 149 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 2: a seven iron in a three wood. Yeah, because he's like, 150 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 2: if you hit a putt with a seven iron and 151 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 2: you can make the ten twelve footter, then obviously you 152 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 2: can do with the putter. You're just overthinking. 153 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 1: But it's all sports are mental, and to think about it, 154 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 1: all sports are mental. But there's a lot of failure. 155 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: There's a lot of failure. But for some reason, like 156 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 1: I didn't care about missing a shot in basketball, right. 157 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: Payne Stewart was a good friend of mine. We were 158 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: playing in Barcelona, Spain one time and he said it 159 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: had a great line. He says, dude, why are you 160 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: getting mad? I said, man, I hate hitting bad shots. 161 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: He said, you ain't good enough to get mad, and 162 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: I started laughing. He said, what he said, Chuck, You're 163 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: not good enough to be mad. So now and you 164 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: can see, like even when you watch the best players 165 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 1: in the world now, they hit bad shots. For some reason, amateurs, 166 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: we overreact to every bad shot. Like you see guys 167 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: hit bad shots all the time, even Tiger and Is, Hey, 168 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: they hit bad shots. But you know, for some reason, amateurs, 169 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: when you miss a when you hit a bad shot, 170 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 1: you're like, oh, I gotta go back. No, dude, you're 171 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: gonna hit bad shots. And that's the number one thing 172 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:24,239 Speaker 1: you have to learn as a golfer. Get that ball 173 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 1: back in the play and try to make a bogie. 174 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: Try to save part and make a bogie. Don't make 175 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 1: a double bogie. Don't try no trick stuff. This ain't 176 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: pool where you're trying to bank it around three times. 177 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: Just get the ball back in the play. So I've 178 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 1: learned to be a better thinker on the golf course. 179 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 1: But the main thing, I'm just going out there to 180 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 1: have fun, make a good swing. If it goes in 181 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 1: the trees, chip it out and go get it. 182 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:52,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I mean Marty. I remember buddy mind 183 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:54,199 Speaker 2: Greg Harmon, who's living in things forever and was like 184 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 2: a really really good player in his prime, like one 185 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 2: of the better ball strikers that I would play consistent 186 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 2: golf with. I remember one time he told me I 187 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 2: hit five good shots a day, and I didn't play 188 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 2: when he was shooting sixty five and sixty four. And 189 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:06,559 Speaker 2: I remember he said that, and it kind of opened 190 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 2: my brain up a little bit. It's like this dude's 191 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 2: only hitting five good golf shots today, then, I mean, 192 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 2: I've got to kind of restructure the way I think 193 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 2: about the game. 194 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 1: That's how Jack Nichols talked about that one time. He says, 195 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: you only hit great shots probably ten to fifteen percent 196 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:21,439 Speaker 1: of the time. These other shots it's a little missed. 197 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: Some missus are worse than others. But you know, for 198 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: some reason, amateurs always overreact. And that's the one thing 199 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: we gotta I tell all my friends, you got it, man, dude, 200 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 1: we gonna hit bad shots, just find a way to score. 201 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: That's actually the biggest aspect of my life that I'm 202 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:41,199 Speaker 1: trying to work on right now. To be honest with 203 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 1: your Shane, I got to learn how to score, get 204 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: up and down, or get up and make a bogie 205 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 1: instead of a double bogie. And I've learned a lot 206 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 1: from a lot obviously. I got a lot of friends 207 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: who play pro golf. I was asking them about the 208 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:03,439 Speaker 1: short game because I never worked on my short game ever. 209 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: And I say, yo, man, how much time do you 210 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:08,680 Speaker 1: spend on your short game. They're like seventy thirty. I says, 211 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: what do you mean you work? You work on your 212 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 1: short game thirty percent of the time. They're like, no, 213 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 1: we work on our short game seven percent of the time. 214 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:18,319 Speaker 1: I said why he's They're like, we work because we're 215 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: gonna hit good shots, but you save all your shots, 216 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 1: which a short game. And I was like, I never 217 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 1: work on my short game. They're like, we can tell. 218 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: And I was like okay, but that's actually sometime in 219 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: the next two weeks, I'm gonna go spend some time 220 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 1: with Stand and Veil because I really want to be 221 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 1: better around the greens on my chipping and putting. My 222 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: Putton's fine, but my chipping, because that's the one thing 223 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: that I have never spent enough time on. Because everybody 224 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 1: want to hit the ball with their driver and their 225 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:54,319 Speaker 1: irons and things like that. But if you're going to score, 226 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: you got to be able to get up and down. 227 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: That's the one thing I hate about pros. I'm not 228 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 1: gonna lie, so I played with a lot of rolls. 229 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 1: Them foods get up and down every damn time, and 230 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:06,319 Speaker 1: and the thing is scary. They're trying to make it. 231 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 2: You see it across the board. I mean, I'm sure 232 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 2: you see it all the time, Mart when you're playing 233 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:11,839 Speaker 2: those match play events. 234 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, chipping in or whatever. 235 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's one thing I hate about mc cord, like 236 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: one thing. Yeah, this is the only thing I hate about. 237 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:23,079 Speaker 1: When some guy want to pro hits a bad shot, 238 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 1: he always says, oh, that's an easy chip. He got 239 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: a lot of green to work with. I'm like, what 240 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: the hell does that name? What I got a lot 241 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:33,959 Speaker 1: of green to work with, and I was like, that's 242 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: the one thing I don't want to hear. I got 243 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 1: a lot of green to work with, so I got 244 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 1: to do this like for real. But you know, Gary 245 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 1: is one of the best to ever do it, and 246 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: I play with him every now and then. But he's hilarious. 247 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 1: But every time I'm watching golf, these guys say, well, 248 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 1: that's an easy bunker shot or an easy chip shot, 249 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:53,320 Speaker 1: and I'm like, I hate you dude so much. 250 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:56,079 Speaker 3: Right now, Chuck, where are you out on your golf journey, 251 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 3: because you you spend a lot of time on the 252 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 3: range for a while, right, yes, but you playing? Yes, 253 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 3: where you're at right now? You're playing practicing a little both. 254 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 3: I'm doing a little bit of both. I'm probably a 255 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 3: ten right now. I'm gonna play well. Like I say, 256 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 3: if you got to hit good shots. I know that 257 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 3: sounds stupid, but you got to hit good shots. But 258 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 3: I'm a legit ten right now and I'm playing well. Uh, 259 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 3: this is my favorite time of the year. 260 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 1: You know. I'm like a well paid teacher, Like I 261 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 1: get the entire summer off. 262 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 2: It's like the biggest understatement about well paid teacher. 263 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:32,439 Speaker 1: Shout out to all the teachers out there. I admire y'all 264 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:36,199 Speaker 1: and respect what y'all doing. Nurses, firemen, and policemen, shout 265 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:38,839 Speaker 1: out to all of y'all. But I tell people I'm 266 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: like a well paid teacher. Like the day of season ended, 267 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: I'm off until like October, and I pretty much play 268 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 1: golf like every single day. Uh, And I love it. 269 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 1: I do. I like being out there. You know, you know, 270 00:12:55,240 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 1: it keeps you vibrant, gives you It's a great exercise. 271 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: But the main thing, man, just get out the damn 272 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 1: house and Johnt Jones be on the couch all the time. 273 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 3: Do you always have a game going when you play 274 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 3: or do you ever just play just to play a 275 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 3: trick question? 276 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: Of course, we got a game going. Yeah, we always 277 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 1: got a We actually got three games going. We got 278 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: to have three different best with every guy. And probably 279 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: it's a lot of time. We have a bunch of foods. 280 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:25,559 Speaker 1: We have like going with the group behind us and 281 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: a group behind us. But one hundred percent of the time, 282 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 1: and I think that's what make uh. That's one of 283 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 1: the things that make golf fun. It's one of the 284 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: few games where you can make it somewhat on even 285 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 1: footing like in basketball you can't. There's no handicap in football, 286 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: like a great pitcher is not gonna let a guy say, hey, 287 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you. I'm gonna give you five strikes 288 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: or five balls like it's mono or mono. That's one 289 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: of the cool things about golf, the ability to make 290 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: it somewhat The handicapping system makes it somewhat fair. 291 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 2: You got traded to the Sons in ninety two, ninety two, 292 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 2: but you played before then. When did you start playing? 293 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: I started playing golf when I was twenty six or 294 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: twenty seven. It was a really it was a day 295 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 1: because we didn't play a lot of golf during the season, 296 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 1: but we had a few days off and Andrew Tony says, Chuck, 297 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: what are you doing today? I said, well, I'm probably 298 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: gonna go because I go see the movies a lot. 299 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: I'm a big movie fan, cause that's one of the 300 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 1: few places golfing. Movies are one of the few plays 301 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: you go you can get peace and quiet. For some reason, 302 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: people think when you go to the dry cleaner you 303 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: want to talk to him, or you go to the supermarket, 304 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: they'll always ask you what you're doing here. I'm like, yeah, 305 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 1: I'm here. It's a dry cleaner food. I'm here to 306 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 1: get dry cleaning. Now getting a burrito, Yeah, that's right. 307 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 1: You go to the supermarket, They're like, what are you 308 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 1: doing here, I'm shopping food. People always ask that a question. 309 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: But with golf, man, you go out to it's just 310 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 1: good to be away away from society, and even though 311 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 1: dealing with the people part of your gig, just getting 312 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: away from it somewhat is always fun. 313 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 2: So you get into it in Philly, you're in your 314 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 2: mid twenties, you move out to Arizona. Did that like 315 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 2: moving here? And there's obviously a ton of golf. 316 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 1: Actually, the first time, the first time I played golf 317 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 1: with Andrew, I think I was starting to become a 318 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: stud I think, you know, I was starting to because 319 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: you know, if you come out of college, you start 320 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: back at the bottom. I was starting to become an 321 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: All star and things like that. I could not believe 322 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 1: as talented as I was, I couldn't hit something that 323 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: was standing still. That was like, no, man, I'm one 324 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: of the best players in the world. I know damn well, 325 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 1: I can hit something standing still and you know what 326 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 1: you can't. And I was like, I couldn't wait for 327 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 1: the season to be over to start playing golf. And 328 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: ever since then, and I will tell you this, it 329 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 1: is probably the most addictive thing I've ever done in 330 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 1: my life. Like there was times I got tired of 331 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 1: playing basketball. I never get tired of playing golf ever. 332 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 1: I mean, it is so much fun, you know, just 333 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 1: to be out there with your friends talking trash. But 334 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 1: like it is the most addictive thing I've ever been 335 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: a part of. 336 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, trying to get better. I mean it's a journey 337 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 2: that I think you mentioned the ability to play anybody, right, 338 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's really unique to golf. You 339 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 2: can't do it in tennis, can basketball, can do it football? 340 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not going to go play Josh Allen 341 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 2: in football, right, but the fact that you can do that, 342 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 2: and I think that level Marty, of always trying to 343 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 2: get better is also that part of golf that I 344 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 2: think is so unique is like you can be a 345 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 2: terrible golfer beginning golfer. You can be an elite golfer 346 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 2: like Tiger who's changing his swing in his prime, right 347 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 2: because he's just trying to get more consistent and better. 348 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, that addiction to it. 349 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 3: Who do you like to play with up at Whisper Rock. 350 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 3: I've heard you get some games with them. 351 00:16:56,920 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 2: Also, I heard you don't play that much. 352 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: I don't because like those guys all good players. I 353 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: go up there and practice and hang out with them 354 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 1: coldest probably them knows. That's the probably the most annoying 355 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 1: person at the Rock. He is one of the little 356 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:20,399 Speaker 1: just the little michelin man. Uh, that's my guido. But 357 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:24,679 Speaker 1: I don't play at my home course a lot because 358 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:27,919 Speaker 1: Number One, I played with riff raff and I'm not 359 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: taking riff raft to my around real people. We need 360 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 1: to be we need we need to we need a 361 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 1: little flexibility. Like you know, my guys are all we're 362 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 1: all has bends and it's a lot of trash talking. 363 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 1: It's loud. I'm smoking cigars, they're talking trash. So it's 364 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 1: best that we play like public courses and things like that. 365 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 2: Are you surprised that golf has continued to be as 366 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:57,120 Speaker 2: popular with pro athletes like and now kind of popular 367 00:17:57,440 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 2: as they're in their prime. I mean, it felt like 368 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 2: there was a time where you retire and you got 369 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:03,439 Speaker 2: into golf. Right now, it feels like the guys are 370 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 2: obsessed with playing football, basketball, hockey, anything. 371 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 1: Well, a couple of reasons. Number One, when you get old, 372 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: that's not a lot you can do. You can't play basketball, 373 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 1: you definitely can't play football, You definitely can't play baseball. 374 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 1: But golf, man, it's always a challenge. You always playing 375 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: with three of your good friends. So now these young 376 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 1: guys they really start was like, yo, man, once you 377 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 1: start playing, you're gonna be addicted to it. And now 378 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:37,479 Speaker 1: they just like, let me try it. Now they're all 379 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:41,439 Speaker 1: addicted to it. I mean, it's great to see. But 380 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 1: I think the main thing for these guys all the jocks, Man, 381 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:50,439 Speaker 1: you got to get your ass out the house. Like, 382 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:56,399 Speaker 1: what are you gonna do? I remember Michael Jordan the 383 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:59,120 Speaker 1: first time he retired, he says, you know, and everybody 384 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 1: said the same thing. Well, I got all this money, 385 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna chill and enjoy the rest of my life. 386 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 1: I said, that's great. The first month, it's great. The 387 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 1: second month after that you're like, man, I'm bored as hell. 388 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, man, we know you're gonna be bored 389 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 1: as hell. But like I say, there's not a lot 390 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 1: you can do it. We're not stupid enough to play pickleball. 391 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 1: That's just a way for old people to get hurt. 392 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 1: That's pickleball just away for old me. Listen, my doctor friends, 393 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: they are so in love with pickleball right now. They're like, 394 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:35,959 Speaker 1: it's a gift that keeps giving. I got this new vacation, 395 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 1: I got this new plan now because all these old people. 396 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:40,880 Speaker 1: Just amount of time before you get hurt if you're 397 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: playing pickleball. Because even if you not play, and even 398 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 1: if you haven't played sports, if you have put wear 399 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 1: and tear on your body for most of your life, 400 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 1: even if you like just walking and things like that, 401 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:56,639 Speaker 1: if you did any type of manual labor job, but 402 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: if you go out there and try to play sports, pickleball, 403 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:03,640 Speaker 1: that back and forth, it's just a matter of time. 404 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: My doctor friends are print money right now. 405 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:09,880 Speaker 2: When's the last time you played a legit basketball game? 406 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 1: The last the last time I played you? You quit 407 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:16,440 Speaker 1: playing basketball because your body gives. 408 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 2: Out, right, But like you retired, do you play you 409 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:19,639 Speaker 2: play pick up? 410 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 1: After that? Well? 411 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 2: No, I saw to say a Ryder playing pick up 412 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:24,920 Speaker 2: one time at the LA Fitness after he was done, 413 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 2: Like I have seen pro basketball players still dabble. You 414 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 2: never dabbled. 415 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:35,439 Speaker 1: Never Uh, no disrespect to anybody playing against a local 416 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 1: electrician and play against plan against a local electrician. Plumber 417 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: don't have the same ring as man. There's Larry bird Over, 418 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:50,640 Speaker 1: that's a team. There's Karl Malon, Kevin Kevin Garnett. Oh 419 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: that's a local plumber. That just doesn't excite me. Say 420 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 1: you're you're a good and like for of all, if 421 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: I go out there and kick the plumbers and electrician 422 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:00,160 Speaker 1: ass shane, can I go home and brand. 423 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 2: That, You're probably not gonna get a lot of love from. 424 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,879 Speaker 1: Like guys, y'all wouldn't believe who asked I kicked today? 425 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 1: This guy, this chef. 426 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 2: Play this play Fred he placed once a month. 427 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 1: That's right. I took him down man. And I will 428 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 1: tell you what's funny about that shame. When I was 429 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:21,440 Speaker 1: a member of this hef club, Gainy Village, I would 430 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 1: be in there riding the bike and these guys were 431 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:28,360 Speaker 1: playing like it was Game seven every day and I'm 432 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:32,400 Speaker 1: laughing the whole time, and I'm like, this is why 433 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:35,680 Speaker 1: I don't play with you losers. These guys. Seriously, it 434 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 1: was a fight every day every file they're screaming and 435 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 1: I'm sitting there is laughing, like they act like it's 436 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 1: Game seven. And I was like, this is why I 437 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:48,360 Speaker 1: can't play with regular people, Chuck. 438 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,919 Speaker 3: The last time you came into the proven grounds, you 439 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,880 Speaker 3: were flushing the seven wood and nine wood on the range. 440 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 3: Shout out, shout out a little bit about your bag 441 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:56,400 Speaker 3: right now. 442 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 1: So the two best things ever. Max Home, who's a 443 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 1: good friend of mine, we're just talking and said the 444 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 1: nine wood and the seven wood are two of the 445 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 1: best clubs ever. Out of the rough. Yep, Like, lets 446 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 1: you know, I'm always in the rough, but the technology 447 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: is available, you know. I've seen guys. I saw Patrick 448 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 1: Kentley hit a seven wood on a Part five. I 449 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 1: think it was at Zurich two years ago. If I 450 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,639 Speaker 1: remember correctly, it might have been. I think it was Zurich. 451 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 1: He had a seven wood. He was in the middle 452 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:41,719 Speaker 1: of the fairway and because they were telling me like, 453 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 1: if you're in the fairway, it's great because you can 454 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 1: hit it high and soft, which I haven't got that 455 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: high part yet. But the main thing, you have to 456 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 1: take advantage of all the technology because golf is hard 457 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 1: enough as it is. But that's probably two of the 458 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 1: best decisions I ever made, getting a seven wood in 459 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: the nine wood. But so shout out to Max homer 460 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: Man who who said, Yo, man, So I'm trying to 461 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,639 Speaker 1: hit them irons out of the rough and they call 462 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 1: it rough for a reason because it's rough. Yeah. 463 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, Are you Are you a tinker? I mean I'm 464 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:17,399 Speaker 2: assuming you can get clubs from ping and hit anything. 465 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 2: You want to come out here and test stuff out. 466 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 2: Do you like the tinker within the bag or do 467 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 2: you kind of stay with what you got? 468 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 1: I kind of like, I'm not see the one thing 469 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,120 Speaker 1: you can't do, shame's bill pain in the ass. 470 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:28,360 Speaker 2: It's a extreme. 471 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 1: You can't call them all the time and say hey, 472 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,879 Speaker 1: I need this, this, this, this. I try not to 473 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 1: ever bother these guys. You know, Uh, I know, I don't. 474 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:45,919 Speaker 1: I don't tinker. The only issue I got to be 475 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 1: honest with you. I got to figure out the weird situation. 476 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 2: What do we got going? What are we doing? Do 477 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 2: we have like you have the wrong lofts, you have 478 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 2: the wrong grinds? Do we know what grinds are? 479 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,439 Speaker 1: Like? Where have zero? I did with grind That's why 480 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 1: I was I to figure play started with I was 481 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: going to say, because your grind in my ground are 482 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,119 Speaker 1: probably two different things. Sorry about that. I had to 483 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: throw that out there. So I think now a forty 484 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:20,439 Speaker 1: five fifty one of those two the goal with a 485 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:26,679 Speaker 1: fifty four and a fifty eight, So I think that 486 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 1: I think that the forty five or fifty I got 487 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 1: to side between those two, but I like the fifty 488 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 1: four and the fifty eight. 489 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:36,479 Speaker 2: Is that what are you hav in the back right now? 490 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 2: Wedge wise? 491 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 1: Pretty much? That's it. So I flipped between the fifty 492 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:45,200 Speaker 1: and then forty five because, like I say, I'm getting 493 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,920 Speaker 1: to the point now where I can hit good shots. 494 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:55,120 Speaker 1: So I'm trying to figure out, why do you need 495 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 1: what's the difference between a forty five and a fifty what? 496 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:03,399 Speaker 1: How far does it go? So so I'm getting better at that. 497 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 1: So that's my That's the only thing that I have 498 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 1: a problem with, just trying to decide what wedges to have. 499 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 2: Mart there's there's people here that can do that for 500 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:13,880 Speaker 2: him today. 501 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 1: Will help you out with that. 502 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:16,880 Speaker 2: By the way, if you ask on the podcast, that's 503 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,399 Speaker 2: actually not bothering anybody. See what you did there? You 504 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 2: ask it on the podcast now somebody's building you wedges 505 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 2: right this second. 506 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:25,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm not one of those guys like yo, man, 507 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 1: cause like you got to get better as a player. 508 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 1: They can't. You got to learn how to hit good shots. 509 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 1: Like I love playing with pros, But I like, what 510 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 1: are you thinking here? Like, well, I don't want. I 511 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 1: don't want. I don't want to have to step on 512 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 1: a wedge. I just want to hit a solid wedge. 513 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,360 Speaker 1: Like if you have to hit it too hard, it's 514 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 1: gonna change everything about the wedge. You're gonna change the loft, 515 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 1: the bounce and everything. So he says, hey, just take 516 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 1: a nice swing at it. So that's what I'm trying 517 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 1: to do, because for some reason, we want to hit 518 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 1: the golf ball instead of swinging the club and and 519 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 1: like that's like, dude, just swing the club. It's gonna 520 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 1: go a certain distance. But for some reason, like with 521 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 1: your driver, everybody wants to hit it hard instead of 522 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 1: just making a nice pass that I'm like, the driver's 523 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,440 Speaker 1: gonna go a certain distance depending on your you know, 524 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 1: I will sow that you hit it, your size and everything. 525 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,440 Speaker 1: But for some reason, everybody wants to swing hard. 526 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 3: Charles's another thing I noticed when you were out last 527 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 3: time at the proving grounds is you were very focused 528 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 3: with your eyes like you were looking at it almost 529 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:43,399 Speaker 3: looked like you picked a spot out in front of 530 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 3: the ball and then you did some work with standing 531 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 3: closing your eyes. 532 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:46,680 Speaker 1: Yeah. 533 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,119 Speaker 3: Did you ever do any training like that in basketball? 534 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 3: Or is this something new for golfers? 535 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 1: It's something new for golf, Like I watch it, you know, 536 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 1: it's so funny. I watched more golf and probably any 537 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: human ever. Like I watched so much golf. I can 538 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 1: actually pick out guys swings, Like I was like, oh, 539 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 1: I know that swing. That's that guy swing. So I 540 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 1: noticed that these guys always look down in front of 541 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 1: the ball, and I was like, damn, I got to 542 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 1: learn to do that or they all do it. And 543 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: I've never really done it as much as I should 544 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 1: do it, because I've got to get to the point 545 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:36,680 Speaker 1: where I'm target target, focus at the spot I'm looking at, because, 546 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:38,680 Speaker 1: like I said, especially when you got trouble, you got 547 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 1: to hit a good shot. You got to hit a 548 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 1: good shot. You're never going to be a good player 549 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 1: if you don't trust it. I mean, you can't if 550 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 1: the water's on the right you just can't automatically snatch 551 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 1: it to the left and to the bunkers like you 552 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 1: gots Like Okay, I'm gonna hit a good, solid shot, 553 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 1: Like Justin Thomas taught me a shot that I've been 554 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 1: working on. He says, Chuck, what should go to? I 555 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 1: don't have. I don't have no go to shot. He says, 556 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 1: try to. He's a tee the driver down low. Make 557 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 1: a nice pass that it's not gonna go as far, 558 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 1: but it won't spray. And I was playing with Coach 559 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 1: some guys up at the Rock one day, I said, 560 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 1: and Coach filmed it. I said, Justin Thomas taught me 561 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:23,439 Speaker 1: this shot. He's a team my driver down low. Just 562 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: make a pass at it and it's not no big 563 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 1: dispersion pattern Like that's just like wow, that's amazing. That's 564 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,359 Speaker 1: why I love playing and watching pros. You know, you 565 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 1: knew when you get to watch some of the best 566 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 1: players in the world, it's pretty especially how great those 567 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 1: guys are. Now you have your guys who are like 568 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 1: Michael Jordan's magic Berg up here. But as I tell 569 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 1: you about NBA players, we probably got five, six, seven 570 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 1: guys who are superstars. Then we probably got thirty forty 571 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 1: guys who are like all and then probably six percent 572 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 1: of the players are all just really good players, right, 573 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 1: never gonna be all stars, never gonna be superstars. And 574 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 1: in golf is I love watching that in golf because 575 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 1: there are more great players in golf than any other 576 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 1: sport deeper. 577 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 2: I mean, we've seen it this year. You can think 578 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 2: about Aaron Rye wins in the championship, right JJ spawd 579 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 2: last year. 580 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 1: Yes, there are more great players in golf than there 581 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 1: are in any other sport. 582 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 2: I got a couple of MJ questions sure with golf. 583 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 2: How obsessed was he when he was like really getting 584 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 2: into it? I mean, was it like a I mean, 585 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 2: I know we hear the stories of playing during playoff 586 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 2: games and stuff in the morning. 587 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 1: So MJ is crazy like that. We would take vacations 588 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 1: a bunch of guys, and we the first two days 589 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 1: we played thirty six. After that, everybody else was exhausted 590 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 1: and we're like, yo, man, we're only playing eighteen for 591 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 1: the rest of the week. He's like, no, We're playing 592 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 1: thirty six. And everybody's like, nah, we're playing in eighteen. 593 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 1: He can play thirty six a day, like it's nothing. 594 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 1: I've never seen a person who never needs sleep. I 595 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:18,239 Speaker 1: get an example. So we on their dream team and 596 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 1: so Me, Michael, David Robinson, Chuck Daily go play. We're 597 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 1: playing in Portland, the Term of Americas, and so we 598 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 1: get up that morning and play. We finished. Chuck said, 599 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 1: let's go get some rest. We got a game that 600 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 1: Michael sa, I'm gona play another eighteen. He says, Michael, 601 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 1: we got a game now, he said, Chuck, I'm good. 602 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 1: So he plays another eighteen. Me, David and Chuck go back. 603 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 1: So we're getting ready. We go take a power nap, 604 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 1: getting ready for the game. We go and say, he says, 605 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 1: well this had to starting lineup, gonna go. He says, Magic, 606 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 1: you got this guy. Chuck, you got this guy, David, 607 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 1: you got this guy, Michael, he said. Michael said, I 608 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 1: got I got him number ten. He said, well he's 609 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 1: the point guard. He said, I got him. Chuck said, 610 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 1: you want to point guard? He said, I got him. 611 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 1: And Michael looks up and says, he says some shit 612 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 1: about me in the newspaper, and we're like, well, you 613 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 1: get the Puerto Rican Times or something, and like Puerto 614 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 1: Rico and he had this look on his face like 615 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 1: pre googling stuff. You're not getting center. And let me 616 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 1: tell you something. Michael is guarding this kid, screaming at him. 617 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 1: Don't you ever mention my damn name again. He's guarding 618 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 1: this kid like it's game seven in the final and 619 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 1: he's screaming the whole time. Don't you ever talk about me? 620 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,239 Speaker 1: And this is after thirty six holes and I'm like, 621 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 1: we're looking at the dude like, yo, man, this is 622 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 1: something wrong with this dude. Now he's screaming at his 623 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 1: little kid. He wouldn't let him dribble, and like he 624 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 1: is the most competitive person that I've ever been around, 625 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 1: Like he wants to win at all costs, probably to 626 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 1: a fault. But man, his like he don't need he 627 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 1: don't need no rest. 628 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 2: Is he is he still like that? Like is he 629 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 2: still kind of like goes and plays golf and does 630 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 2: stuff during the day and does stuff like at night. 631 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 2: Is that still in his personality? 632 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 1: Well? You know, we've been estranged right for a few years, 633 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 1: and we finally just reconnected. 634 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 2: So I guess you gotta find out. 635 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna find out. But I got a lot more 636 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 1: firepower with me this time because he quit playing with me. 637 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 1: To be honest with you, Shane, he said, Yo, Man, 638 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 1: I can't watch that thing you got going on. 639 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 2: Hitch got him. 640 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 1: The hitch got him. He said, you're gonna have me 641 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 1: hitching so but but I don't do that anymore. So 642 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to, uh, to getting back with him, 643 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 1: looking forward to seeing his course for the first time. 644 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,360 Speaker 1: But uh, I'm gonna play well when we get together. 645 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 2: A couple of golf questions holding one never lower score. 646 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 1: Uh. It was probably in a late eighties, to be 647 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 1: honest with you, uh, because they used to have like 648 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 1: this celebrity I studly got another one now that I 649 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,200 Speaker 1: don't plan. But they got a celebrity tour. It was 650 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 1: in Lexington, Kentucky. Like I said, it was in the 651 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,240 Speaker 1: late eighties, and I shot a seventy nine. That was 652 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 1: the first time I'd ever broken eighty. 653 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 2: Seventy nine there, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, and then 654 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 2: I'm assuming the scorecard maybe got saved for a bit 655 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 2: or no. 656 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 1: No, because I actually thought I was going to do it. 657 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 1: The more often I didn't know I was going to 658 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:26,239 Speaker 1: develop Tourett syndrome. Everybody called me, they said I had 659 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 1: Touret's no, because honestly, at that time I was That's 660 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 1: the thing that's crazy, Shane, Like I was a legit 661 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 1: seven to eight handicap and then, like I say, I 662 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 1: just started taking all these lessons and like I said, 663 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,760 Speaker 1: I was in the twilight zone. Like even then when 664 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 1: I did the show with Hank, you know, when me 665 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,280 Speaker 1: and Tiger were close, I took lessons from butch not 666 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,160 Speaker 1: a lot. Rick Smith has tried working with me. 667 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 2: So now I'm thinking of names you haven't worked with. 668 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 2: That's right, Which instructor have you led better? 669 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,719 Speaker 1: Work? Were left better before? You know, because we we 670 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 1: met out of somewhere. It was a charity event somewhere. 671 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,880 Speaker 1: But I want to thank all those guys for trying right. 672 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,279 Speaker 2: Last thing, we had Wyndham clark on after the US 673 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 2: Open win. My guy, I know, yes, First things first, 674 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 2: he said, Charles never comes to Whisper Rock, so we 675 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:23,520 Speaker 2: never see him. We like when he shows up. 676 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,239 Speaker 1: I text him all the time. But how is the 677 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,279 Speaker 1: relationship with Wyndham? He's been great to me. I don't 678 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,919 Speaker 1: bug him. I don't bug inh my golfriends. I text 679 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 1: him like, hell man, how you doing? 680 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 2: Like if they win like if he wins us opening 681 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:35,560 Speaker 2: cinema text. 682 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 1: Oh, I did send him a text and he uh, 683 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:39,440 Speaker 1: well he won before. 684 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,920 Speaker 2: Then, right, he'd won a few week he'd won three 685 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:42,359 Speaker 2: weeks before. 686 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,479 Speaker 1: Yes, so I sent him a text. He always gets 687 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,239 Speaker 1: back to me, and obviously I sent him one after 688 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:52,719 Speaker 1: the Open. He's a good dude. I always tell him, Man, yo, man, 689 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:54,680 Speaker 1: if you want to play, it'd be an honor and 690 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 1: pleasure to play with you. But you know these guys, man, 691 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,680 Speaker 1: when you in the line, especially when you're winning, it's 692 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,480 Speaker 1: a lot a lot of people want your time. A 693 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,359 Speaker 1: lot of people want your time. Like I say, I'm 694 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,960 Speaker 1: always free. Uh you know good thing about my job. 695 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,680 Speaker 1: I only work at night. I'm free all day, and 696 00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:19,320 Speaker 1: I'm free all day until October. The fifteenth is always 697 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,480 Speaker 1: started like the third week in October. So if any 698 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,000 Speaker 1: of you famous golfers want to play with me, I'm 699 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:30,359 Speaker 1: free until October. They got my number, Hey, call coat. 700 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:32,920 Speaker 1: He gives my number out like he gives out but 701 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 1: he grabbing chicken wings. Not scared, No, no coach, my 702 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:39,920 Speaker 1: guy man. And I'm proud of him too because he's 703 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 1: he's done a fabulous job. Because TV is not easy. 704 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 1: TV is not easy, and you know, cold has to 705 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,920 Speaker 1: be really, really careful. And he's done a fabulous job 706 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 1: because he probably know all those dudes like Michael Joean 707 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,719 Speaker 1: my great best friend, and I criticized him and we 708 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:08,239 Speaker 1: didn't speak for twelve years, yes, I and he was 709 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,400 Speaker 1: like my brother and I said something about him and 710 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,919 Speaker 1: he took it personally, and like I said, we didn't 711 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,680 Speaker 1: speak for twelve thirteen years. I can imagine a coach 712 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 1: probably knows every single player out there. But part of 713 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,839 Speaker 1: the job, Shane, is you have to be critical at 714 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:27,800 Speaker 1: times or you're not doing your job because the public 715 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,800 Speaker 1: just saw what happened. You can't just because the guys 716 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:36,480 Speaker 1: and two things you can't do. You can't cople for 717 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:40,120 Speaker 1: your friends and kill people you don't like. 718 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:43,799 Speaker 2: I mean, like, is this did you learn this? Like 719 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:45,400 Speaker 2: did you do this and then it was something you 720 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,279 Speaker 2: learned or is this just because I mean you've been 721 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,799 Speaker 2: doing TV for what twenty six years? Yeah? I mean 722 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,440 Speaker 2: is this a skill you learned in that ecosystem or 723 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,160 Speaker 2: is that what you came in with. 724 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:59,440 Speaker 1: That's a great question, A great question. I think you 725 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,640 Speaker 1: have to learn learn on the job because you can't 726 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:06,120 Speaker 1: have pre because you can't have preconceived notions going in 727 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:11,520 Speaker 1: because the one thing about sports it is live, right 728 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,440 Speaker 1: it is, so you have to be You have to 729 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:22,120 Speaker 1: react in real time, so you are learning. You really 730 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,360 Speaker 1: learn it on the job. But like I said, Cochon 731 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,480 Speaker 1: know most of those guys are played with him and 732 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:28,560 Speaker 1: against him, so he has he has to and like 733 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,560 Speaker 1: I say, there's gonna be times he's gonna have to 734 00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,520 Speaker 1: say bad things about player. But the player, doctor j 735 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,040 Speaker 1: taught me a very valuable lesson. He said, that's the 736 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:37,560 Speaker 1: first time I became a start. I think it was 737 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:39,720 Speaker 1: my third year in the NBA that goy wrote the article. 738 00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,560 Speaker 1: I said, Doctor, He says, let me ask you a question. 739 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,759 Speaker 1: Is that article true? I said, what do you mean? 740 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:48,680 Speaker 1: He says. The first thing, as a celebrity or a 741 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:53,239 Speaker 1: great player, when some guys write articles about you, you 742 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,960 Speaker 1: have to say, is that a fair criticism? Because you 743 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,560 Speaker 1: do deserve to get criticized at times, right. But then 744 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:01,600 Speaker 1: the thing you can't do. You can't overreact, cause some 745 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,799 Speaker 1: guys just don't like you. They go overboard like, oh, 746 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,720 Speaker 1: I get it, he doesn't like me. I'm not gonna react. 747 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,279 Speaker 1: I'm still got a job to do. Uh, but you 748 00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,160 Speaker 1: have to learn in real time because man, sports are 749 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:19,880 Speaker 1: the ultimate real time thing. Like there's no and golf 750 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:20,960 Speaker 1: is probably the worst. 751 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:22,319 Speaker 2: Uh. 752 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,080 Speaker 1: What I mean by that is you can't see when 753 00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:31,399 Speaker 1: a guy's choking in basketball or football or baseball. But man, 754 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,080 Speaker 1: there's sometimes I'm watching golf and I feel so bad 755 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,879 Speaker 1: for the player, Like I'm like, oh. 756 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,480 Speaker 2: You're alone. I mean, it's an island. I mean I 757 00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,400 Speaker 2: think about Djokovic back in his early days when you 758 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,520 Speaker 2: would double fault late matches, right, and then you kind 759 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:46,440 Speaker 2: of fix that. Yeah, you know you think of always 760 00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,280 Speaker 2: Nick Anderson when that was you know, he's missing free throws. 761 00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:50,240 Speaker 2: But again that's a rarety. 762 00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:51,200 Speaker 1: Uh huh. You might miss a. 763 00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:52,560 Speaker 2: Jumper and all of a sudden you don't have to 764 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:53,480 Speaker 2: worry about it being a choke. 765 00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. But when you when you see somebody melting down 766 00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:03,360 Speaker 1: in golf and they out there by themself, I sympathize 767 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:08,080 Speaker 1: with them so much because, oh man, because when you're 768 00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,600 Speaker 1: a player, man, this sucks. When you get criticized or 769 00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:14,120 Speaker 1: you don't you're not as successful as you want. But man, 770 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,400 Speaker 1: when you're watching golf and you see a guy gag 771 00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,520 Speaker 1: and I'm like, whoa, this is gonna be painful because 772 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:20,920 Speaker 1: there is nowhere too. 773 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,520 Speaker 3: High and we see it all the time. Chuck, do 774 00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:25,560 Speaker 3: you get nervous playing? Do you get nervous whether it's 775 00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:27,560 Speaker 3: in the match or Reno Tahoe. 776 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:31,000 Speaker 1: I get nervous when, like I don't play in a 777 00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:34,200 Speaker 1: lot of programs. I played in Arnold Palmer's program this year. 778 00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,520 Speaker 1: Shout out to Scottish Cheffler's parents, two of the nicest 779 00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,200 Speaker 1: people that I've ever met. They came and walked with 780 00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,600 Speaker 1: me for a few holes. Because Scott is you know, 781 00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,680 Speaker 1: he's a bomb. They didn't want to watch Scotty play. 782 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:47,680 Speaker 1: They wanted to watch me play. So shout out to 783 00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:53,200 Speaker 1: the Cheffleer's gonna come and watch greatness. Like Scott is awesome, man, 784 00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,720 Speaker 1: but his parents were so awesome. Like I get nervous 785 00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,200 Speaker 1: when these people have their damn head right over the 786 00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,480 Speaker 1: damn ropes, Like when the pro hits they can lean 787 00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,520 Speaker 1: all over. But like when those hackers out there, like you, man, 788 00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,080 Speaker 1: you about to get your ass back, you know, like 789 00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:09,279 Speaker 1: you better get your ass back. 790 00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:11,319 Speaker 2: I say it about pro turns all the time. The 791 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,520 Speaker 2: guys that stand from two seventy to three ten in 792 00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,080 Speaker 2: the right or left side of the fair. I'm like 793 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,600 Speaker 2: they should wrote that area off. Well I'm gonna get done. 794 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:20,600 Speaker 2: I hate to be rude and inappropriate. Those people should 795 00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:22,120 Speaker 2: get hit. Well, no, ye that it's a fair point. 796 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:23,560 Speaker 1: Because if you're not watching, what the hell are you 797 00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:24,440 Speaker 1: doing on the golf course? 798 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:25,120 Speaker 2: Extremely fair? 799 00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:29,040 Speaker 1: Like, I know that's rude and inappropriate, but like, what 800 00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,840 Speaker 1: were you watching? You see them getting rid of the 801 00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:35,560 Speaker 1: tea off? What exactly were you doing? Hey honey, hey, 802 00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:37,200 Speaker 1: can I have some of your ice cream? Like they're 803 00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,880 Speaker 1: teeing off back there? You should pay attention to the 804 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,360 Speaker 1: ball hit the ground. It drives me crazy, and like, 805 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:43,200 Speaker 1: what were they watching? 806 00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:48,360 Speaker 2: It's it is, It's interesting. Uh, well, listen, a we appreciate. 807 00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:49,600 Speaker 1: The time off, No problem, man, y'all got to get 808 00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:51,799 Speaker 1: some better damn guests. By the way, I'm a has been. 809 00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:53,680 Speaker 1: I was gonna say this, I wouldn't say thanks for 810 00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:55,239 Speaker 1: your time. You don't have nothing else to do. I mean, 811 00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,520 Speaker 1: this is what you're doing today. Hey, listen, I'm doing nothing. 812 00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,040 Speaker 1: You know that Bill says something about some glasses and 813 00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,399 Speaker 1: putting and some crap like that. I'm like, yo, man, 814 00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:04,879 Speaker 1: I see the hole. I'm gonna just hit it toward 815 00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:05,440 Speaker 1: the hole. 816 00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:06,919 Speaker 2: Trying to get you better. 817 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:07,400 Speaker 1: That's go. 818 00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:09,040 Speaker 2: We gotta get your wedges fixed. 819 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,799 Speaker 1: Yes, you continue to pus. We got to figure out 820 00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:12,719 Speaker 1: what the hell grind me. 821 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:14,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll get that next episode. 822 00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:15,359 Speaker 3: We have you on. 823 00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,919 Speaker 2: But uh, Charles, I continue. You're the best on TV 824 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,839 Speaker 2: man than for a long time. I respect the heck 825 00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:22,840 Speaker 2: out of what you do on a week to week basis. 826 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:24,520 Speaker 2: Thanks for the time, good luck with the game, and 827 00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,799 Speaker 2: good luck and talk. Thank you, brother, I appreciate it. 828 00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,240 Speaker 2: Charles Barkley. This is the Ping proven Grounds podcast.