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Speaker 3: dot com. Good morning, everybody, Happy Monday. Have an amazing

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Speaker 3: show for everybody today. What do we have, Crystal?

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Speaker 2: Indeed, we do a lot of breaking news, so we're

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Speaker 2: tracking the fallout after Dems caved and Schumer helped the

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Speaker 2: Republicans pass their budget. New polling there too as well,

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Speaker 2: and I'm interested to get Sager's take on how all

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Speaker 2: of this went down, since Ryan and Emily talked about

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Speaker 2: it some on and myself talked about it.

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Speaker 4: I'm on Friday.

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Speaker 2: We also have some pretty stunning new reporting from the

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Speaker 2: Kamala campaign about Joe biden interventions there and his demands

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Speaker 2: on her, and also how pathetically she just accepted them.

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Speaker 2: So we'll get into all of that. Trump appeared over

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Speaker 2: the weekend to openly defy a court order with regard

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Speaker 2: ninety eight, So we will break all of those details

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Speaker 2: down for you. We've got some new economic numbers. The

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Speaker 2: consumer sentiment index plunged significantly. We've got Scott Besstt, the

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Speaker 2: don't worry about it. So obviously keeping our eye on

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Speaker 2: that as well. Trump announced massive strikes against the Houthis

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Speaker 2: and they are claiming retaliation. Zionists are getting some wins

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Speaker 2: in Trump administration staffing. This is one that SOCCER has

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Speaker 2: been tracking really closely, and I'm taking a look at

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Speaker 2: the way that anti Semitism is being weaponized in order

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, unfortunately, there's probably you could probably talk about

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Speaker 3: that one for like forty five.

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Speaker 1: Put in the monologue. Looking forward to that.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot to break down here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so, you guys know, there was a whole thing

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Speaker 2: last week. Democrats had to in the Senate, had to

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Speaker 2: And yet, in spite of that, and in spite of

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Speaker 5: American's favorable views of the Democratic Party's brand are at

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Speaker 1: And you know, we've probably talked about.

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Speaker 1: Would have been with them.

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Speaker 3: Second, I mean, again, I'm not advocating for this. I

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Speaker 1: Republicans did actually kind of want to shut down.

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Speaker 3: Apparently Trump and them were looking for a shutdown in

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Speaker 3: I don't think that's ever the case that anytime a

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Speaker 3: just it's ridiculous to think that you're not going to

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Speaker 1: So I really have no idea kind of which way.

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Speaker 3: But I get where the establishment Dems and all them

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Speaker 1: So it's like an old gasp, I think of something.

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Speaker 1: Do I think it will happen again?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: I don't.

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Speaker 4: Not after all of this, you don't think so, I

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Speaker 4: But we also have to say the failure here.

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Speaker 2: our demands. Now, there could have been any number of

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Speaker 4: To vote for this bill. They didn't do it. That's

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Speaker 2: So even the fact that you got to this vote

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Speaker 2: But I mean, listen, they don't have a lot of

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Speaker 8: Democrats need to use their leverage to stop what Trump

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Speaker 3: to take this in and to see politically where the

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Speaker 3: mood is going to go. But you know, the part

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Speaker 3: of the issue is with timing and with leverage. It's like, well,

441
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Speaker 3: what can you now really do in the future. Kick

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Speaker 3: the can down the road to September. You can try

443
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Speaker 3: and block the tax bill, It's not going to work

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Speaker 3: because of the way that reconciliation and all that is

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Speaker 3: in nine months is just an eternity, or it's six

446
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Speaker 3: months or whatever is an eternity in politics. You see,

447
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Speaker 3: who knows how much things could change in the meantime.

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Speaker 3: Now is definitely the time they missed it. They're not

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Speaker 3: going to have some grand showdown moment now for quite

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Speaker 3: some time. I wouldn't put a pass Republicans to try

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Speaker 3: and you know, attach a CR or something like that

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Speaker 3: to a tax bill and kick this even further. They

453
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Speaker 3: could even hitch the debt ceiling or something like that

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Speaker 3: to reconcil it, to take away even more leverage points.

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Speaker 3: By that time, you're in the midterms. And if this

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Speaker 3: is all you have till the midterms, good luck to you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Well, and I think that the people like

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Speaker 2: might have touched in many others who were saying, grows fine,

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Speaker 2: and you know, vote against this and shut it down.

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Speaker 2: I think we're also immediately vindicated because what happened literally

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Speaker 2: that night could put this up.

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Speaker 4: On the screen.

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Speaker 2: Trump move forward with gutting seven more agencies and issue

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Speaker 2: in an executive order saying that you know, they should

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Speaker 2: be effectively ended to the greatest extent possible. And like

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Speaker 2: I was saying, you know, part of the argument against

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Speaker 2: voting for this was that it handed more power to

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Speaker 2: the Trump administration to take unilateral action. It strips away

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Speaker 2: some of the legal arguments that you know, democratic allies

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Speaker 2: can make in court against these sorts of things. And

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Speaker 2: so the fact that they vote for this and then

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Speaker 2: immediately Trump issues this executive order, that's like, you know,

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Speaker 2: seven more agencies are toast. These were all, you know,

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Speaker 2: relatively small agencies, but still obviously quite significant. I think

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Speaker 2: that really immediately vindicated those who thought that the Democrats

476
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Speaker 2: took the wrong strategy here and really should have stood

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Speaker 2: up and fought and fought. The last thing I'll say

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Speaker 2: is this is something we've touched on before. You know,

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Speaker 2: the upset at Democratic leadership. First of all, it's across

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Speaker 2: the board ideologically, it's really it's being painted sometimes and

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Speaker 2: the media is like a left is their progressives or

482
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Speaker 2: you know, the left is upset at democratic leadership. That's

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Speaker 2: just not an accurate way to characterize it at this

484
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Speaker 2: point because even within the Democratic House Caucus you have

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Speaker 2: moderates who are very unhappy with the lack of leadership here.

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Speaker 2: You know it, I wish it had more of an

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Speaker 2: ideological valance to it, that there was more sort of

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Speaker 2: like progressive ideology behind the revolt, but it's not. It's

489
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Speaker 2: literally tactical. It's like, we want you to fight. We

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Speaker 2: feel like our country is being taken away from us

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Speaker 2: in real time. We feel like they are not operating

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Speaker 2: by the rules, and you all are pretending like you're

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Speaker 2: back in like nineteen eighty two and making deals and

494
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Speaker 2: cutting deals across the aisle like that is just not

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Speaker 2: going to work in this era, not to mention how

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Speaker 2: out of touch they seem with all of their sort

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Speaker 2: of like media outreach efforts, et cetera. So that really

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Speaker 2: is the core of the upset at democratic leadership is

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Speaker 2: not so much ideological, it's tactical. It's we want you

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Speaker 2: to grow a spine, we want you to fight, We

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Speaker 2: want you to prove to us that you actually care

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Speaker 2: about what's happening right now in the way that we do.

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Speaker 2: So this will be an important story to continue to

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Speaker 2: watch as the Democratic Party figures it's way itself.

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Speaker 4: Ount I necessarily I want.

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Speaker 3: To see some primaries, though I want to because I

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Speaker 3: haven't seen any announcements, you know, in the same way

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Speaker 3: by this time or well, it's not really fair, but

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Speaker 3: I guess if we're going to compare Doge and the

510
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Speaker 3: liberal base is reaction to Obamacare, which was a little

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Speaker 3: bit later in the administration during the first term. That's

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Speaker 3: when those announcements for primary started to spring up. But

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Speaker 3: I was checking, and I haven't seen any like real

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Speaker 3: I mean, somebody always profiles or sorry, primaries, Nancy Pelosi

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Speaker 3: plot twist. It never works out like somebody always primaries.

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Speaker 1: I don't know Mansion or somebody like that. He's gone.

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Speaker 3: So we need to see actual, like primary action for

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Speaker 3: somebody who's up this time around, and then we need

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Speaker 3: to see that level of like grassroots money that's inflowing

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Speaker 3: it is I mean, if what was the whole beef

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Speaker 3: with AOC over oversight where she promised not to primary

522
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Speaker 3: people even if she still didn't get it. So the

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Speaker 3: the problem is is like they're they're boxed into a

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Speaker 3: corner a little bit.

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Speaker 1: I'm curious to see if they're going to break away

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Speaker 1: from that.

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Speaker 3: If you really want to have some power in the

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Speaker 3: next Congress, that's the only way that it's going to happen.

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Speaker 3: The only reason the Tea Party ever got taken seriously

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Speaker 3: is because they were able to take out literally the

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Speaker 3: number two Republican in the country. People should just remember

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Speaker 3: how insane stuff like that can be.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, that was the idea behind the Justice Democrats,

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Speaker 2: which of course Kyle was involved in the founding of,

535
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Speaker 2: was that you would get some of these renegades in

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Speaker 2: there who didn't owe their loyalty to the traditional democratic

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Speaker 2: party system, and they would be adversarial to leadership in

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Speaker 2: the same way that the Tea Party was adversarial to

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Speaker 2: Republican leadership.

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Speaker 4: And the Tea.

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Speaker 2: Party and the you know, Freedom Caucus and these successive

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Speaker 2: like Tea Party esque parts of the Republican Party, they

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Speaker 2: have wielded disproportionate amount of power because they understood you

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Speaker 2: only need a small number who will in a band

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Speaker 2: together and gum things up and you can.

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Speaker 4: Get a lot.

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Speaker 2: You can actually extract a lot, but your threat has

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Speaker 2: to be credible, and so you know they did. They

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Speaker 2: were able to successfully primariously AOC and Joe Crowley being

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Speaker 2: the most prominent example, but Corey Bush is able to

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Speaker 2: get in their Jamal Bowman. These are all people, you know,

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Speaker 2: challenging incumbent Democrats and being able to be successful.

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Speaker 4: But then that second piece of being.

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Speaker 2: Adversarial towards leadership that never came, and they were never

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Speaker 2: able to really you know, use their power as some

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Speaker 2: sort of cohesive group. They more acted as just like

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Speaker 2: you know, standard individual members with individual viewpoints, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: The fact that you now have the base pushing in

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Speaker 2: this direction and you have again moderates even within the

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Speaker 2: Democratic Caucus who are saying, primary, Chuck Schumer, we've got

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Speaker 2: your back, et cetera, it's a different landscape that could

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Speaker 2: create more courage among elected leaders to be more adversarial

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Speaker 2: towards leadership. And in fact we've already seen that. I

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Speaker 2: mean even with AOC herself, she's been quite aggressively critical

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Speaker 2: of Chuck Schumer in this moment in a way that

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Speaker 2: we really haven't heard her, you know, be critical of

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Speaker 2: Nancy Pelosi or other Democratic leaders in the past. So

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Speaker 2: we'll see you now, you know, like Zager says, we've

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Speaker 2: got to see how this all shakes down and are

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Speaker 2: their real primaries and do they succeed and how does

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Speaker 2: this all come together? But I can tell you right

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Speaker 2: now the landscape is so different in the Democratic Party

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Speaker 2: and among you know who they're looking to also in

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Speaker 2: terms of their media.

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Speaker 4: Than it was previously.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely all right, let's get to this reporting from the

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Speaker 2: Harris campaign and Biden's involvement. This is from a new

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Speaker 2: book coming out from Jonathan Allen and Amy Parts, two

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Speaker 2: great reporters.

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Speaker 4: We're going to have him on.

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Speaker 2: The show to talk about this book as well and

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Speaker 2: get even more details of what all went down within

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Speaker 2: the Kamal campaign. But they released this excerpt. We can

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Speaker 2: put this up on the screen. So they are looking

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Speaker 2: at this core question of like, why the hell did

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Speaker 2: this woman not separate herself from Joe Biden, who was

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Speaker 2: clearly like like that was one of the core failures

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Speaker 2: of this campaign.

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Speaker 4: So let me go ahead and read this.

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Speaker 2: They say that Kamala's rallies and convention speech had not

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Speaker 2: answered the question of why she was running for president,

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Speaker 2: how her vision for the country would deliver for voters

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Speaker 2: other than having.

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Speaker 4: Been next in line.

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Speaker 2: She was running out of major moments to explain a

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Speaker 2: vision to a broad audience. Her September tenth debate with

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Speaker 2: Trump would offer another opportunity, perhaps the last chance before

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Speaker 2: voters cast early ballots, to establish that key part of

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Speaker 2: her narrative.

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Speaker 4: But the day of the.

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Speaker 2: Debate, Biden called to give Harris an unusual kind of

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Speaker 2: pet talk and another reminder about the loyalty he demanded.

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Speaker 2: No longer able to defend his own record, he expected

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Speaker 2: Harris to protect his legacy. It goes on whether she

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Speaker 2: won or lost the election. He thought she would only

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Speaker 2: harm him publicly distancing herself from him, especially during a

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Speaker 2: debate that would be watched by millions of Americans, to

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Speaker 2: the extent that she wanted to forge her own path,

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Speaker 2: Biden had no interest in giving her room to do so.

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Speaker 2: He needed just three words to convey how much all

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Speaker 2: of that mattered to him. No daylight, kid, Biden said,

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Speaker 2: And apparently this is something he said to her repeatedly.

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Speaker 2: In addition, she had Remember, she just basically took over

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Speaker 2: the Biden slot with the Biden campaign out of Delaware.

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Speaker 2: So she had all of these Biden staffers around her

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Speaker 2: who were also interested in preserving his quote unquote legacy.

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Speaker 2: They talk in this in this excerpt, there's an anecdote

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Speaker 2: where they were in some other kind of for an

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Speaker 2: interview and she started ticking off like, here's all the

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Speaker 2: great things that Biden did, blah blah bla. And one

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Speaker 2: of the staffers was like, let's not do the whole

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Speaker 2: trip down memory lane.

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Speaker 4: That Stapfer was.

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Speaker 2: Never invited back to the one who actually had a

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Speaker 2: good idea. That one was cut out and never invited

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Speaker 2: back here. So, I mean, there's two things to say

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Speaker 2: about this. Number One, Biden, what a shitty person, What

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Speaker 2: a narcissistic person? Like what a liar that you actually

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Speaker 2: care about defeating Trei? Like you cared more about your

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Speaker 2: own ego preservation than actually defeating the guy that you

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Speaker 2: said was, you know, a fascist and authoritarian threat to

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Speaker 2: the country.

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Speaker 4: How pathetic is that? Number Two?

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Speaker 2: How pathetic is it the Kama will listen like, ultimately,

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Speaker 2: she's the primary actor. She got to do what she wanted.

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Speaker 2: She could have run the campaign however she went she

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Speaker 2: wanted to. When that Stafford got cut out, it should

638
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Speaker 2: have been like, no, actually you are cut out, Stephanie Cutter,

639
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Speaker 2: the person who you know was leading the charge. There,

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Speaker 2: you're out. This person's in. I need to shake this up.

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Speaker 2: I need to listen to people who are actually going

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Speaker 2: to give me good advice in order to win this campaign,

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Speaker 2: rather than to protect the feelings of you know, an elderly,

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Speaker 2: senile old man.

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Speaker 3: I completely agree. That's I was thinking about it. If

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Speaker 3: you think in the past, this is always attention when

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Speaker 3: vice presidents run again while their incumbent president is in office,

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Speaker 3: President vice President Nixon in nineteen sixty Al Gore, George H. W. Bush,

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Speaker 3: and in all cases though, I still think they did

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Speaker 3: a better job of distinguishing themselves, yeah, from their person

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Speaker 3: that they were in.

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Speaker 1: And those people were.

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Speaker 3: Actually popular as opposed to Biden. I mean, if you

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Speaker 3: think about it just in terms of like peer nuts

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Speaker 3: and bolts, not only has Biden dropped out of the race,

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Speaker 3: which puts him at a way weaker position than any

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Speaker 3: of those presidents previously literal two termers who were pretty popular,

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Speaker 3: they also have a situation where he's a senile old man.

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Speaker 3: He's going to be gone in a decade. I don't

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Speaker 3: wish for that to happen, but you know, statistically more

661
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Speaker 3: it's very likely. So what are you waiting for? Like,

662
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Speaker 3: these mistakes were literally so high. If you're a liberal,

663
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Speaker 3: you got crushed. I mean, you basically uctured in a

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Speaker 3: new era of American government. I think that's great, but

665
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Speaker 3: you know, you guys told us that was horrible. It

666
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Speaker 3: was a terrible thing. And could you really imagine any

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Speaker 3: Republican vice president you need a similar circumstance who wasn't

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Speaker 3: willing to do that. I mean even John McCain was

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Speaker 3: more critical of George W. Bush when he was running

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Speaker 3: in two thousand and eight than Kamala Harris was. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: I think this shows a profound lack of.

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Speaker 1: Courage, both on the walls and the Kamala campaign front.

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Speaker 1: You can't say that you were hamstrung by Biden. It's

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Speaker 1: just not true.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the vast majority of the money that came

676
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Speaker 3: in to the campaign came in.

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Speaker 1: After Biden dropped out. It really was on her name alone.

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Speaker 3: Now, I think she was a terrible candidate, and the

679
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Speaker 3: fundamental flaw from the very beginning. I think we've talked

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Speaker 3: about this at the time, is why are you keeping

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Speaker 3: all these idiot Biden staff and like they're terrible, right.

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Speaker 1: You could spin up something new.

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Speaker 3: You got oceans one billion, one point five billion dollars

684
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Speaker 3: at your disposal. You need to really try and draw

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Speaker 3: a contrast. And I think she lost. I mean, look,

686
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Speaker 3: I don't think she ever really had a chance because

687
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Speaker 3: of Biden, but she almost certainly really lost in that

688
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Speaker 3: view interview when she was like, can't think of anything

689
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Speaker 3: that I would have done to it?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like that's it.

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Speaker 6: It was.

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Speaker 3: I mean, how many times we say that here America

693
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Speaker 3: does not want this period, So it's it's just loser

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Speaker 3: all the way around here.

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Speaker 2: They thought that the fact that she, you know, was

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Speaker 2: a looked different, was a different race, was younger, whatever,

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Speaker 2: they thought that would stand in for her being different

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Speaker 2: for Biden.

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Speaker 4: That was their theory.

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Speaker 2: Genuinely, that was their theory. And I think, you know,

701
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Speaker 2: to me, like she should have brought in her own people.

702
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Speaker 2: I think you're right about that.

703
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Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean you can kind of sympathy Ari.

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Speaker 2: We have this very short period of time, there's already

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Speaker 2: a campaign in a box. I just gotta go with

706
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Speaker 2: kind of what I got here. But the prom with

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Speaker 2: Kamala has always been that she doesn't have her own

708
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Speaker 2: political sense and judgment, and you saw this in her

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty primary campaign.

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Speaker 4: They were always you know.

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Speaker 2: Changing the messaging with the seasons. As one staff or

712
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Speaker 2: put it, she needed she was for Medicare for all. No,

713
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Speaker 2: she's against Medicare for all. No, she has her own thing. Oh,

714
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Speaker 2: I didn't answer that.

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Speaker 4: I was laughing. I didn't understand the question. I changed

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Speaker 4: my mind.

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Speaker 2: She just she doesn't have her own core number one

718
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Speaker 2: and her own political gut instinct.

719
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Speaker 4: Of what she should do and where she should be.

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Speaker 2: So if she kept the same staffers, but she was like, guys,

721
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Speaker 2: it's an idiotic idea for me to think that just

722
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Speaker 2: because I'm a woman, that I'm going to be seen

723
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Speaker 2: as different and a break from Biden when I was

724
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Speaker 2: literally part of this administration, Like.

725
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Speaker 4: That is foolish. And every poll shows that the biggest

726
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Speaker 4: liability I have is this dude.

727
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Speaker 2: So we got to come up with something better than this.

728
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Speaker 2: Like she could have done that with the staffers that

729
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Speaker 2: she had, but she didn't. And you know, again, this

730
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Speaker 2: is stuff. We talked about sort of at nauseum during

731
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Speaker 2: the campaign about how when you don't have your own

732
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Speaker 2: view of the world that you can articulate so that

733
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Speaker 2: you can make make sense to other people. When you

734
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Speaker 2: have reporters like just nine who was like trying to like,

735
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Speaker 2: what would you actually do and we never actually really

736
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Speaker 2: knew what the priority would be on day one, then

737
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Speaker 2: you're not going to come across as authentic to people.

738
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Speaker 2: They're not going to believe anything you see really, and

739
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 2: you know, you end up in full ridiculous situations like

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Speaker 2: this where Biden says no distance skin You're like, yes, sir, sure,

741
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Speaker 2: let me just tank my campaign, and you know, hand

742
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Speaker 2: the country to a bunch of fascists by not separating

743
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Speaker 2: myself or you.

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Speaker 4: Another instance of.

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Speaker 2: A sort of weak, weak democratic answering here, Katie Porter

746
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Speaker 2: is running for governor in California.

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Speaker 4: I like Katie Porter.

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Speaker 2: I think she did a lot of good stuff when

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Speaker 2: she was here in DC. You know, she was one

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Speaker 2: of the few people she really has an understanding of

751
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 2: sort of like Wall Street and banking, and she was pretty,

752
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Speaker 2: you know, pretty committed to standing up against corporate abuses.

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Speaker 2: Is someone you know, Matt Stoller has really appreciates Hetera too.

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Speaker 4: But she gets asked this question.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's say that Kamala Harris gets into the governor's race,

756
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Speaker 2: and this is a pot Save America interview, what happens then?

757
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Speaker 2: And she's basically like, yeah, I'll pretty much just get

758
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Speaker 2: out and defer to her.

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Speaker 4: Let's take and listen to what she has to say.

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Speaker 9: There rumors that the vice president may get in the race.

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Speaker 1: Later.

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Speaker 9: I I saw some reporting that you said that that

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Speaker 9: the vice president might clear the field, and I was

764
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Speaker 9: surprised to see that one of your advisors apparently told

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Speaker 9: CNN that you wouldn't run against Kamala.

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Speaker 1: Is that true?

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Speaker 10: Well, so listen what I've said, and what I'm gonna

768
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 10: say again today is that I think if Kamala comes

769
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Speaker 10: into this race, especially if she comes in tomorrow, she

770
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Speaker 10: comes in now, it's going to have a near field

771
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Speaker 10: clearing effect. It's just going to be well, I'm not

772
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Speaker 10: sure who all. There's a big field of people, and

773
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Speaker 10: some of them have said they're staying in no matter what, right,

774
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Speaker 10: So I think it's going to shake up the field

775
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Speaker 10: lace and it's going to have a sort of a

776
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Speaker 10: seismic effect that said, we got to start this process. Now,

777
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Speaker 10: Kamala's going to make her decision in her own time.

778
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Speaker 10: The vice president is owed that that's her decision to make.

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Speaker 10: And I've worked with her. I know that she's a

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Speaker 10: careful decision maker, She's a thinker, and so she's going

781
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 10: to make her decision. But in the meantime, it is

782
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 10: full speed ahead voters. I'm not waiting around, and I

783
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:45,479
Speaker 10: don't think voters are waiting around.

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Speaker 1: Well. They want to know how we're going to lead.

785
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Speaker 10: They want to make plans for what we're going to

786
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Speaker 10: do with regard to Trump, and so I think there's

787
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Speaker 10: a hunger for people to lead in this moment, and

788
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Speaker 10: I'm stepping up.

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Speaker 9: I'm like, honestly, like what I expect from as someone

790
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 9: who admires and respects you as a leader and a

791
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Speaker 9: political figure. I'm surprised you're not saying, I don't care

792
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:02,720
Speaker 9: what Kamala Harris does, I will be the best governor.

793
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 9: Like that's what I don't That's what it's confusing to me, Like,

794
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Speaker 9: I isn't the person that's supposed to lead this big

795
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Speaker 9: fracture state. The person who Sayskamla can get in who

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Speaker 9: I don't give a fuck. I'm gonna if she gets

797
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Speaker 9: an Albeter. Well, I'm not sure that are leaders. People

798
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:13,240
Speaker 9: want to hear our leader saying, well.

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Speaker 1: You would say it. I'm not. I have to see

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Speaker 1: it right district form my vibe. But I do think.

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Speaker 10: Look, I am not waiting for Kamala Harris, and I

802
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 10: don't think anyone should who wants to lead. I think

803
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 10: what it means to lead is to literally step forward right,

804
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 10: to be willing to be at the tip of the

805
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 10: spear in this moment. That's exactly why I'm launching. That's

806
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 10: why I've been working on this. I am not sitting

807
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,359
Speaker 10: back waiting to see what Kamala does. I am not

808
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 10: considering other races hedging my bet I'm going to be

809
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 10: California's next governor. But it would also be I think,

810
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 10: disrespectful to somebody who went toe to toe month after

811
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Speaker 10: month after month in a grueling race against Donald Trump.

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Speaker 10: And and I saw this firsthand personally serve California very

813
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 10: very ably as our attorney general. Not to acknowledge that

814
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Speaker 10: this is somebody who would be an incredibly strong candidate.

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Speaker 10: And there are practical realities that anyone faces.

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Speaker 4: I mean, what is with this deference, like make the

817
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Speaker 4: case for yourself.

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Speaker 2: If you want to run for governor, you got to

819
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,240
Speaker 2: be able to say I would be the best person.

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Speaker 2: Here's why you can say I respect Kamalin, but we

821
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 2: have a different view. And here's why I think I

822
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 2: should be the fighter that California deserves. Like this is

823
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,320
Speaker 2: not hard and yet you know, I mean, it reminds

824
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Speaker 2: me of also Hakeem Jeffreys getting asked about Eric Adams,

825
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 2: who is like wildly unpopular in New York City, and

826
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Speaker 2: even then he can't say, you know, I think maybe

827
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 2: he should resign since he's been caught in these like

828
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 2: naked corruption scandals. Like what is with this deferential bend

829
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Speaker 2: the knee, avoid controversy at all costs, And they're always

830
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,720
Speaker 2: trying to think rather than say what they really think.

831
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Speaker 2: They're always trying to figure out how to get the

832
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Speaker 2: right answer, and that comes through you can see her

833
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 2: processing in real time, like Okay, well, I don't want

834
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 2: to piss off this constituency and you know she was

835
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Speaker 2: this historic trailblazer, and but I want to assert myself

836
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,439
Speaker 2: and it just ends up as this mess rather than

837
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,839
Speaker 2: just saying Listen, Kamala Harris is gonna do what she's

838
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,399
Speaker 2: gonna do. But here's that's why I think I will

839
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Speaker 2: be the strongest candidate for governor and I will be

840
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Speaker 2: the next governor in California.

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Speaker 4: Like, I just don't get it.

842
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like you're living in a cult. That's what

843
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 3: it is. You're living in a cult of deference. And

844
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 3: just imagine, American politics is not really supposed to work

845
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 3: that way. Now, it's a little ironic for people to

846
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 3: talk about that on the Trump side, but you know,

847
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 3: to his credit, he did win. He won the primary

848
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty four, and he won the presidency, and

849
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Speaker 3: so you know, in a certain way, he's like earned

850
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 3: his status, whereas Kamala is literally the worst performing Democratic

851
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 3: candidate on a ticket since John Kerry. Like imagine in five,

852
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 3: if Obama was like, well, I'll just leave it up

853
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,720
Speaker 3: to Jump Cary, It's like, what why would you ever

854
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:45,280
Speaker 3: do that? They rightfully were discarded. Same in John McCain.

855
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,879
Speaker 3: John McCain had no say over Republican affairs after two

856
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 3: thousand and eight. Correctly, in twenty and thirteen, you think

857
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 3: the Tea Party was calling up Mitt Romney and like, hey, Mitt,

858
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 3: let me run this one by you. It's crazy. This

859
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 3: is one where if you lose, like I like the

860
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Speaker 3: British model, then you're done.

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Speaker 1: You're gone. You should not run for anything, Kamala. I

862
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: mean she could try.

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00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 3: In the Nixon famously ran for governor of California and

864
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 3: lost after he lost the presidency. But it was like

865
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Speaker 3: a road of redemption. Maybe that's how she views her future.

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Speaker 3: But I just have no idea where this Katie Porter

867
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Speaker 3: type energy comes from, specifically the way that she positioned

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Speaker 3: herself when she was here in Washington. The other sense,

869
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Speaker 3: and maybe you know more about this in me, is

870
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 3: that because the California Democratic Party is so archaic and

871
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 3: is so like literally locked down and run from the top,

872
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,320
Speaker 3: that you have no real choice but to try and

873
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Speaker 3: preserve your way within the system. And maybe the California

874
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 3: Democrats there want her to run. I don't know why

875
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Speaker 3: they would want. That be a disaster, but I have

876
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 3: no clue.

877
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 4: I don't know either.

878
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 2: I can't say with regard to the California political like landscape,

879
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 2: it is a bit of a like machine and state

880
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 2: and whatever. But it's just it's just pathetic to see

881
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 2: it's just pathetic to see like this lady has not earned.

882
00:39:58,040 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 4: This level of deference whatsoever.

883
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 2: Porterlake genuinely does have something different to offer. So that's

884
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 2: what makes it an extra disappointing to see this response

885
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 2: from her last piece we have here, which is just

886
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 2: really interesting and again kind of goes back to what

887
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 2: we were saying about some of these shifts with the

888
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 2: Democratic base and who they're seeing as leaders, the direction

889
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 2: they want the party to go in, etc. Can put

890
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 2: this up on the screen. So CNN asked this question.

891
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 2: It says, here, who do you think the leader the

892
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 2: Democratic Party is? That isn't exactly the question that they asked.

893
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:33,399
Speaker 2: They actually asked who best represents the values the core

894
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 2: values of the Democratic Party, And coming in first place

895
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,720
Speaker 2: is AOC which again and then number two is Kamala

896
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 2: Harris makes sense given you know she's still just like

897
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 2: top of mind whatever. Then Bernie, then Kim Jeffrey. I

898
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 2: don't know who those people are. Then number at four percent,

899
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 2: Barack Obama tied with Jasmine Crockett four percent. Gavin is

900
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 2: it to Pelosi's it to alyssa Slutkin, to Schumert, to

901
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 2: Tim Walls one So you know, I'm curious what you

902
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 2: may made of this, soger, But I mean, you can

903
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 2: see there's like ideology all over the place. But what

904
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 2: you see at the top of that list with AOC

905
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 2: is she has been out front and very vocal and

906
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:16,800
Speaker 2: very aggressive in challenging Trump and the Trump administration.

907
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,439
Speaker 4: And that's what people want to see.

908
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 2: It's also funny because it comes something as an earlier

909
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 2: poll where you had, you know, some plurality of Democratic

910
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 2: voters who were like, we want the party to be

911
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 2: more moderate. But then it's like, this is who we

912
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 2: think is moderate, you know, this is who we think

913
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 2: she is just.

914
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 3: A Democrat now, I mean, she's didn't want a primary people.

915
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 1: She she was. This is the part I don't really understand.

916
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:43,800
Speaker 3: I really believed Democratic voters would reward people who only

917
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 3: called out Biden for his age, like Dean Phillips.

918
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 1: I don't know why they're not doing so.

919
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 3: Like AOC and Bernie were two of the people who

920
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 3: actually stuck with Biden longer than many moderate Democrats who

921
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 3: called him out in the future.

922
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:57,439
Speaker 1: So I guess Trump is the only thing that matters

923
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: to them.

924
00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,720
Speaker 3: I don't really understand why I think voter should reward

925
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 3: good political judgment in the moment. You should look to

926
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 3: people like Nancy Pelosi and others who look, this is

927
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 3: ideology aside, it was good political judgment at that time

928
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 3: to be like, this is not happening period for some

929
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 3: of the first people to actually call Biden out for

930
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 3: his age.

931
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 1: I thought that that would matter more. Doesn't appear to be.

932
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 3: Maybe just because of the way the news in all

933
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 3: that is working, it could matter more in a primary.

934
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 1: But looking at this, yeah, I mean, the.

935
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:26,760
Speaker 3: Political theory of resistance, or at least the appearance of resistance,

936
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 3: is one that's quite popular right now. I actually think

937
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 3: outside of all of it, the number one story to

938
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 3: me is Barack Obama at four percent. That's where I

939
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 3: was like, wow, because that's how you know that the

940
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 3: Obama psyop, which has basically lasted since two thousand and

941
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 3: four when he went.

942
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 1: On the DNZ stage, is officially over. You know. I

943
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: was telling you this about.

944
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 3: The Michelle Obama podcast, and look, I mean, it's just

945
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,800
Speaker 3: shocking to me that this person, who is an internationally

946
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 3: famous woman who at one point had one of the

947
00:42:56,400 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 3: best selling books in history, has got thirty six thousands

948
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 3: subscribers on YouTube and is getting like one hundred thousand

949
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 3: views on.

950
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: Her podcast episode with her brother.

951
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,839
Speaker 3: One of the clips she has Crystal is thirteen thousand views,

952
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 3: and it's called, in my opinion, plane etiquette, where Michelle

953
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 3: is telling us to keep your toes to yourself. Lady,

954
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 3: when's the last time you even flew on a commercial

955
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 3: airliner twenty years ago? It's not to dunk on a

956
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 3: Michelle Well, I guess part of it is, but it's

957
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 3: just a show like that is just not where the

958
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 3: energy is well right now, whereas these Midas guys are

959
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 3: racking up two point five million views on a clip. So, yeah,

960
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 3: the Obama era is over. I mean, if anything, that

961
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 3: might be Trump's greatest gift to us ault.

962
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,879
Speaker 2: Because if you think about it, so right now you've

963
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 2: got Elon slashing and burning through government handing in self contract,

964
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 2: the richest man on the planet. You have we're about

965
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 2: to talk about like hundreds of people just disappeared into

966
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 2: a foreign prison and court orders openly defied here in

967
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 2: in other instances as well, you have them going in

968
00:43:58,320 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 2: now there.

969
00:43:59,320 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 4: We've already got to.

970
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:05,240
Speaker 2: Documented instances of social security benefits being taken unjustly from people,

971
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 2: including one instance where it was literally taken out of

972
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 2: someone's bank account because they thought that she was dead

973
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 2: and she was not dead.

974
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 4: You've got them planning a.

975
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 2: Massive tax cut for the rich, massive cuts to medicaid.

976
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:23,439
Speaker 2: You have an all out assault on the government and

977
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 2: the liberal order, and you know, an anti semitism I'm

978
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 2: going to talk about today being weaponized in order to

979
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:33,280
Speaker 2: crush dissent, crush free speech, crush academic freedom.

980
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 4: And where are the Obamas?

981
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 3: Like?

982
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 2: They have nothing to say about that, nothing to say

983
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 2: about it. So, yeah, how could that reflect the core

984
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 2: of what the Democratic Party base sees as happening in

985
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 2: this moment. On the other hand, you have AOC who's

986
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 2: out there every day. You know, she's on Twitter, she's

987
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 2: doing Instagram live, she's getting in people's faces, she's doing

988
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:57,359
Speaker 2: cable news hits. She is out there, and while she

989
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 2: doesn't have any more power than anyone else than the

990
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,800
Speaker 2: Democratic Party in this moment, she has made herself visible

991
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 2: and made it clear that she's as upset at what

992
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 2: is going on as they are, and that's really what

993
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 2: people are looking for. I mean, you know, Bernie really

994
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 2: set the standerd with going out starting these town halls

995
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 2: now you see other Democrats like starting to follow that

996
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 2: model as well. That's why he ends up sort of

997
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 2: at the top of this list too. Jasmin Crockett kind

998
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 2: of comes out of nowhere to be now tied with

999
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 2: Barack Obama in terms of.

1000
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 4: Who reflects the core values of the party.

1001
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 2: Because, yeah, while there is a sense of, you know,

1002
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 2: down the road in a Democratic primary, there's going to

1003
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 2: be ideological debates of whatever, right now, there's almost no

1004
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 2: luxury for that. It's just like, this is happening, This

1005
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 2: salt is happening at a faster pace than anyone could

1006
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:44,439
Speaker 2: have possibly expected. And the people who are at least

1007
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 2: showing some courage and putting up a fight, those are

1008
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 2: the people who, to us need to lead us going forward.

1009
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 2: So it's not a surprise to me that AOC ends

1010
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,760
Speaker 2: up at the top of that list. But I do think,

1011
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 2: you know, it's very different from how things would have

1012
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 2: been in the like resistance err or even in the Biden.

1013
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 4: Error or whatever.

1014
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 2: She always was sort of, you know, when they did

1015
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 2: questions about who's the leader, who's the who represents the

1016
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:08,879
Speaker 2: core values, et cetera. She was always seen as more

1017
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 2: of like a fringe sort of character within the Democratic Party,

1018
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 2: and now because of the way she's asserted herself, because

1019
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 2: of the way Bernie has asserted himself, they have really

1020
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,359
Speaker 2: sort of claimed the moment and filled the vacuum for

1021
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 2: what people are looking for.

1022
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:23,879
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1023
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 3: Yes, caveats still apply, is she doesn't have good political

1024
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 3: judgment if you still look in the past, it's this

1025
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 3: whole like getting in the face of things. I mean,

1026
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 3: there's a big reason why liberals, you know, or leftists

1027
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 3: have not been very politically successful a lot of the

1028
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 3: times that they've tried to do this in the past,

1029
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 3: and there is like a huffing your own glue attitude

1030
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 3: I think in a lot of liberal circles where they're

1031
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 3: genuinely convinced that this is going to work.

1032
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Speaker 10: Yeah,