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Speaker 1: Welcome back, ron Ady and the Car Doctor here at

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Speaker 1: can talk to you about your car problem and educate

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Speaker 1: everybody and in general have a good time talking about cars,

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Speaker 1: because that's what the Car Doctor is all about. Let's

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Speaker 1: get over and talk to Roger, speaking of talking in

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Speaker 1: bang or mean two thousand and four, Jeep Wrangler with

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Speaker 1: some questions and problems. Roger, Welcome to the Car Doctor, sir,

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Speaker 1: up and help ah.

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Speaker 2: Yes, sir, I bought this Wrangler like three months ago,

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Speaker 2: so it's a fairly new vehicle to me. And well,

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Speaker 2: then about a couple of weeks after I bought it,

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Speaker 2: I started getting some hesitation in the driving, and it

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Speaker 2: started to go to the point where it wouldn't shift

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Speaker 2: very well, and they would do this for a short

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Speaker 2: period of time and then come back.

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Speaker 3: To normal, and when it came back to normal.

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Speaker 2: To break the engine light would come on, and then

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Speaker 2: the engine light would stay on for a little while

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Speaker 2: and then go back out. I called the dealer, took

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Speaker 2: it back to the dealer and he looked at it

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Speaker 2: and couldn't find anything wrong with it, and he ultimately

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Speaker 2: told me he changed out a couple of wires going

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Speaker 2: to a module, and he didn't tell me which one,

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Speaker 2: but he didn't charge me anything, so I didn't really ask,

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Speaker 2: and I drove it home, drove fine for a while

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Speaker 2: another week or so, and then did it again. So

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Speaker 2: I called the dealer up then made an appointment for

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Speaker 2: the week after that, And when I was getting ready

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Speaker 2: to go to that next appointment, I realized that it

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Speaker 2: was doing it every time. I refieled it and filled

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Speaker 2: it up with gas. When I got there, I told

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Speaker 2: the deal with that, and he took it in and

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Speaker 2: looked at it again, still couldn't find anything wrong with it,

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Speaker 2: so he went and filled it up with gas and

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Speaker 2: drove it around a bit. He didn't have any issues,

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Speaker 2: so he's like, well, take it home, there's nothing wrong

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Speaker 2: with it. I said, well, I'm going to stick around

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Speaker 2: around and see if it happens. And it did within

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Speaker 2: five minutes after I left. So I went back to

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Speaker 2: him again, and after about a couple of minutes he

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Speaker 2: came back out and said, my mechanic thinks it's the

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Speaker 2: transmission control module, okay.

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Speaker 3: And.

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Speaker 2: I said okay, And I said, well, why does it

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Speaker 2: do it when I'm gassing up when I filled it

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Speaker 2: up with gas, And he looked at me and he said,

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Speaker 2: I don't know. But he said, well we can fix it,

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Speaker 2: change it out for you, but it's not under warranty,

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Speaker 2: so you have to pay for it. And I said, well,

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Speaker 2: let's just hold off on that a little bit because

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Speaker 2: it didn't make sense to me that it would only

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Speaker 2: do it if it's a transmission issue. It would it

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Speaker 2: only do it when it's full of gas? And my

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Speaker 2: own logical thinking was that if it's doing it when

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Speaker 2: the fuel with a gas tank.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm thinking, you know, I'm thinking a gallon

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Speaker 4: I'm thinking it has something to do with the weight.

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Speaker 1: I think we're I think we're displacing something, moving something,

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Speaker 4: But yeah, if it's consistently that.

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Speaker 1: It is, you know, it's only there with a full

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Speaker 4: It creates the problem.

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Speaker 1: You know, We've got to start to think in terms

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Speaker 1: of is there a wiring harness nearby? Is there something

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Speaker 4: Is there? You know? What is it about that?

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Speaker 1: You're absolutely right you would have been a good diagnostician,

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Speaker 1: Roger in that in that sense that you know, you've

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Speaker 1: got to look for cause and effect, and you know,

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Speaker 1: understanding how something works generally leads you to fixing it.

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Speaker 1: So my attack plan if I was looking at this now,

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Speaker 1: the trans control module on this has power on pins

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Speaker 1: sure I've got groundhere. I'm supposed to have ground and

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Speaker 1: power where I'm supposed to have power. And you know,

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Speaker 1: something's putting this trans control module into fault mode. Something's

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Speaker 1: putting it or making it go to sleep. And those

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Speaker 1: are the things that I would want to say. You know,

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Speaker 1: I would also take a look at Pin eight. I

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Speaker 1: believe it's Pin eight, and just make sure there's no

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Speaker 1: voltage on pinnate. There has to be less than a

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Speaker 1: hundred millivaults. And if all that checks out, and yet

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Speaker 1: this trans control module doesn't communicate, and I'd love to

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Speaker 1: have a scan tool on it and just dial up

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Speaker 1: the trans module.

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Speaker 4: You know, think of it like this.

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Speaker 1: You dial a phone, right, and it rings on the

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Speaker 1: other end, and somebody answers. Well, you know, when you

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Speaker 1: plug in a scan tool and you start to look

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Speaker 1: at all the modules on the vehicle, you're just dialing

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Speaker 4: You're just you know, you're.

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Speaker 1: Ringing the engine controller, the trans controller, the body controller,

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Speaker 1: and so on. If you dial the trans controller and

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Speaker 1: it's got powering round and its other inputs are correct

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Speaker 1: and it doesn't answer, it's bad.

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Speaker 4: It's a bad phone. So you know, we can prove

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Speaker 4: it I mean, there's there's ways to go about this.

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Speaker 1: I am just suspicious from the sounds of this. Something

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Speaker 1: here strikes me like you're gonna find something in wiring.

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Speaker 4: I don't know that.

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Speaker 1: This is is is going to be a module, but

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Speaker 1: this will verify it. I would just be I would

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Speaker 1: just be mindful any add on accessories, any fact or

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Speaker 1: any aftermarket alarms or aftermarket stereo or anything like that.

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Speaker 2: Uh nope, the stereos all factory. The only aftermarket stuff

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Speaker 2: that I put in as the speakers themselves.

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Speaker 1: Okay, And did you have a problem prior to the

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Speaker 3: Uh?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was prior to this speaker.

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Speaker 1: Inst Okay, okay, And even if it was ever since,

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Speaker 1: I would still But just you know, it's always good

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Speaker 1: to try. And I always try and think outside the box.

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Speaker 1: When I've got one dog in me like this, you know,

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Speaker 1: I try to look at it on if I don't

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Speaker 1: fix it, what's the next guy going to look at?

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Speaker 4: And that usually gets me to fix it.

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Speaker 1: And you know, if I try this and that didn't work,

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Speaker 1: what would be the next thing I'd go look at?

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Speaker 1: And it's but you've got some basic testing here or

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Speaker 1: they've got some basic testing here. It doesn't sound like

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Speaker 1: they gave it a long enough diagnosis.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: It's it's when did it happen? About a week ago?

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Speaker 1: We had a car, a jeep. We had a jeep

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Speaker 1: half ago, and the girl was from Kansas. I think

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Speaker 1: I talked about this last week and the tow truck

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Speaker 1: driver committed and he said, it sounds like a fuel pump.

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Speaker 4: And I looked at him and.

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Speaker 1: I said, yeah, what does a bad fuel pump sound like? Like?

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Speaker 4: I don't know. Fuel pump if it was bad, could

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Speaker 4: make any noise. And you know he was basing that on.

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Speaker 4: He would crank.

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Speaker 1: He cranked the engine and it didn't start. Well, let

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Speaker 1: me tell you something. If you crank an engine and

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Speaker 1: it doesn't start, could be spark, could be fuel, could

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Speaker 1: be a slew of things. In the case of that jeep,

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Speaker 1: it was a bad PCM, not providing ground to the coil,

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Speaker 1: not creating spark. So you know, the service manager coming

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Speaker 1: out and saying, my technician thinks it's a trans control module.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, don't think let's diagnose it.

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Speaker 2: That's what made me pause and yeh, Yeah, that's what

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Speaker 2: I decided.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's let's diagnose it. Let's look up a scan tool.

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Speaker 1: Can we can we call that module on the scan

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Speaker 1: tool and talk to it. That's what we want to know,

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Speaker 1: all right, So you let me know what else I

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Speaker 1: can do for you, Roger, you need me during the week,

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Speaker 1: ron at cardoctorshow dot com.

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Speaker 4: Shoot me an email.

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Speaker 2: We'll do sir.

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Speaker 4: All right, sir, good luck to you. Eight five five

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Speaker 4: five six zero. Well, listen, it's it's it's just basic.

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Speaker 4: You know, I hate it sounds like it feels like

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Speaker 4: I think it is.

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Speaker 1: Listen, I'm not saying in every diagnosis, I get down

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Speaker 1: to the nitty gritty and I'm down, and you know

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Speaker 1: I'll get you in the eighty five ninety percent tile

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Speaker 1: in some cases, and it's a gut call because guts

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Speaker 1: still fixed cars.

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Speaker 4: And it still takes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I you know it just it seems like we're

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Speaker 1: ninety eight Toyota Camri this week, four cylinder that had

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Speaker 1: a lean fuel condition. You read the trouble chart for

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Speaker 1: a P zero one seven to one and a lean

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Speaker 1: fuel code on that car, and then you start reading

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Speaker 1: from the relational databases that I subscribe to, and you know,

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Speaker 1: you take some time and do the research, and each

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Speaker 1: and every one of them says, there's no way to

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Speaker 1: accurately test the air fuel ratio sensor in this Toyota

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Speaker 1: without and they you know, we get out scopes and

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Speaker 1: equipment to could track manned spaceflight. You get to that

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Speaker 1: point where you're in the eighty five percent tile. Put

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Speaker 1: an air fuel ratio sensor in the fifteen year old

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Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty thousand mile car and while lah,

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Speaker 1: the car is fixed. Yeah, there's times you make that call,

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Speaker 1: but on a jeep that's got you know, mileage, it's

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Speaker 1: not really crazy here, and we think it's a trans

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Speaker 1: control module. Nah, let's do some power and ground testing

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Speaker 1: and let's see if that component wakes up when we

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Speaker 1: talk to it.

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Speaker 4: Hey five five five six zero nine nine zero zero.

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Speaker 1: I'm Ronning Ay in the Car Doctor, and I'm back

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Speaker 2: Tom.

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Speaker 4: Welcome to the car doctor, sir, how can I help?

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Speaker 3: Hey? Yeahm from Brookhaven. I got a really nice Nissan Morano.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'd love to drive it. My daughter's drived it.

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Speaker 3: But since at first it was just a like a

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Speaker 3: muffler noise coming from the engine, and as the call

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Speaker 3: got hot, it would sim it down and then as

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Speaker 3: the hear went by. Now when you started, it sounds

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Speaker 3: really bad. From the outside. You hear like, you know,

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Speaker 3: the ruffle sound, but it's not coming from the back

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Speaker 3: or the center of the car. It's coming from the

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Speaker 3: engine to bob and you know, it's embarrassing. So I

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Speaker 3: feel it's a flange or a piece of a pipe,

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Speaker 3: Corolla or something.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, is this an all wheel drive?

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Speaker 3: Tom? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I haven't seen too many problems with the bolts themselves,

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Speaker 1: but the manifolds do crack and that becomes a challenge,

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Speaker 1: so you want to take a look at that. One

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Speaker 1: of the biggest areas and one of the biggest cautions

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Speaker 1: I have when I'm doing dealing with moranos is the

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Speaker 1: front catalytic converter. I'm sorry, the rear cat where it

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Speaker 1: bolts up to the rear manifold. I don't know why

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Speaker 1: they did this, but the studs that hold that cat

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Speaker 1: up are titanium.

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Speaker 4: Well, there isn't too much that can drill.

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Speaker 1: Titanium successfully at the shop level, and if you break

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Speaker 1: one of those studs off trying to remove the cat

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Speaker 1: to get the manifold off, oh boy, is that a

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Speaker 1: fun afternoon. So you know, just just you know, hopefully

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Speaker 1: your mechanic is cautious enough that once he diagnoses this,

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Speaker 1: if this really is a manifold leak or anything really,

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Speaker 1: even if the flangs gasket at the cat to the

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Speaker 1: manifold is leaking anything that requires that cat to be removed,

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Speaker 1: just be just be cautious because those studs are titanium

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Speaker 1: and they take a little bit of work and some

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Speaker 1: you know, some good rust penetrant and let them soak

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Speaker 1: and work and back and forth, and just be patient

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Speaker 1: and they should come out because you know, I have

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Speaker 1: had them break once in a blue moon, and they

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Speaker 1: are tough. At that point, it's it becomes it becomes

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Speaker 1: a real problem to deal with.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So you're saying the exhaust system actually comes out

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Speaker 3: of the engine, exhaust out of the engine manifolds and

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Speaker 3: then goes through.

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Speaker 4: Right, Well, yeah, you've.

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Speaker 1: Got you've got manifold catalytic converter and then exhaust itself. Now,

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Speaker 1: the pipes themselves are pretty solid. The pipes are stainless

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Speaker 1: on that vehicle from the factory. What usually leaks is

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Speaker 1: the flange gaskets wherever the couplings come together. But the

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Speaker 1: most common problematic area number one is exhaust manifolds cracked.

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Speaker 4: That's at the cylinder head itself.

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Speaker 1: And if you think the leak is in the back,

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Speaker 1: that's where you know, that's probably the best guess. I

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Speaker 1: would take a mechanic stethoscope and listen in when it's

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Speaker 1: doing this, but it's if it's behind that, and what

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Speaker 1: I typically do in a case like this, I'll start

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Speaker 1: the car up, put it up, in the air, get

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Speaker 1: You know where at what point in the system is

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Speaker 1: at the loudest. My caution to you is if the

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Speaker 1: catalytic converter has to come off, those studs are titanium

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Speaker 1: and they lock onto the nuts or the nuts lock

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Speaker 1: onto the studs tighter than you know the banker trying

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Speaker 1: to hang on to the mortgage that you don't want

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Speaker 1: to pay. If you get my analogy, it's tough, and

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Speaker 1: that was a bad analogy. I'll have to work on

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Speaker 1: that for next week. But my point is that it's

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Speaker 1: just it just becomes difficult, and you just want to

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Speaker 1: be cautious doing it on a colder engine with some

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Speaker 1: penetrant and a little bit of patience. In some cases

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Speaker 1: a lot of patients will benefit you a great deal.

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Speaker 1: Because titanium is not easily drilled or handled in the shop.

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Speaker 1: At the shop level, you'll you'll you'll spend most of

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Speaker 1: the afternoon dulling drill bits.

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Speaker 3: I guess this is a job an isan, not just

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Speaker 3: the regular mechanics, so they can diagnose it, yep, but

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Speaker 3: I can. I can look for the week myself because

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Speaker 3: I have one of those that and.

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Speaker 4: Then at least off what they're telling you is correct.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, ye, but I'll make sure and I understand if

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Speaker 3: they do say, I'll ask them for the procedure and

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Speaker 3: see if they if they have to take those bolts out,

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Speaker 3: I just might let it go, you know, and just

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Speaker 3: drive it away.

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Speaker 2: It is well.

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Speaker 1: Ask them, ask them, ask them what the odds are

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Speaker 1: of getting those bolts out, and what sort of problems

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Speaker 1: do they have, and see what kind of answer you get.

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Speaker 1: They may say, yeah, we handle it all day long,

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Speaker 1: but they should come back and say something with regard

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Speaker 1: to they're either Titanum or the Oh they're tough to

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Speaker 1: get to, but our technicians are trained to handle it

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Speaker 1: and you know, kind of take it from there. So

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Speaker 1: good luck to you, Tom and happy motoring. I'm running

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Speaker 1: And now, I haven't done it in a while, but

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Speaker 1: I still think I can do my bare knuckle push up.

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Speaker 1: So I'm thinking I can still do ten push ups

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Speaker 1: can the car doctor do ten bare knuckle push ups.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm getting kind of old, but I'm

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Speaker 5: Hey.

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Speaker 4: Until the next time, same bat time, same bat channel.

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Speaker 3: See y