Speaker 1: Few technologies have advanced as rapidly as video games. The
Speaker 1: Nintendo Classics that many of us grew up playing helped
Speaker 1: to pave the way for what today is a juggernaut
Speaker 1: industry that gives players a virtual experience unlike any other,
Speaker 1: and one that occurs right in our own living rooms
Speaker 1: and can connect us to a global community.
Speaker 2: I have been gaming since I was like maybe four
Speaker 2: when my dad brought over the Second Genesis, so I
Speaker 2: would say thirty years I've been gaming, which is crazy
Speaker 2: to say out loud now.
Speaker 1: Will Wiggins is a gaming content creator, graphic artist, and
Speaker 1: illustrator with a large Twitch following. Online. He goes by
Speaker 1: the name Black One, and he's heavily involved in the
Speaker 1: professional gaming community.
Speaker 2: It's a little addicting, right because it's something that I
Speaker 2: love doing and the people watching loved experience, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: I just have to do it more. I have to
Speaker 2: do it later. I have to make sure I'm around
Speaker 2: to get these big raids from all the other content creators.
Speaker 2: We're smart, and it went to bed on time, like
Speaker 2: they'll send their people over to me. I'm like, all right,
Speaker 2: we've got some viewers, we got some engaged we got
Speaker 2: some action, and as important as viewers are your health,
Speaker 2: none of that is going to matter if you're not
Speaker 2: there to keep them entertained.
Speaker 1: Viewers add a whole new element to the gameplay, essentially
Speaker 1: turning a passive pastime into a globally connected community. So,
Speaker 1: for Will, what started as playing a couple levels of
Speaker 1: Sonic the Hedgehog alone after school has ballooned into all
Speaker 1: night raids and tournaments occurring across different time zones with
Speaker 1: an untold number of players, all of this happening in
Speaker 1: vast realities created by nothing more than ones in zero.
Speaker 3: There's something different about some of these games and immersive
Speaker 3: experiences that activate our brains in very different ways. I
Speaker 3: think when you get into these games, it's very difficult
Speaker 3: to pull yourself out. You may sit down and think
Speaker 3: I'm going to play for an hour, get something to eat,
Speaker 3: and get some sleep, and four hours later you're still
Speaker 3: involved with it.
Speaker 1: Doctor Chris Winter as an neurologist and sleep specialist from Charlottesville, Virginia.
Speaker 3: I'm the author of the book The Rested Child. While
Speaker 3: you're tired, wired, or irritable child may have a sleep
Speaker 3: disorder and how to help as well. As the sleep Solution,
Speaker 3: Why your sleep is broken and how to fix it.
Speaker 1: One of the focuses of his career is the unique
Speaker 1: effects that video games, screen time, and other related technology
Speaker 1: have on our sleep.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I find myself going to sleep and thinking about
Speaker 2: the game I was playing.
Speaker 3: I'm like, man, I.
Speaker 2: Can't wait to get up and play some more. It
Speaker 2: still happens even to me, So like if anyone else
Speaker 2: experiences that, like I get it.
Speaker 1: Will's experience navigating this massive community of constantly changing technology
Speaker 1: is certainly unique, and it created obstacles to getting and
Speaker 1: maintaining proper sleep, something that Chris knows all about. Using
Speaker 1: Chris's expertise, Will delve into Will's journey to find out
Speaker 1: what happens to our sleep when we spend much of
Speaker 1: the night fighting aliens, looting dragons, and exploring virtual worlds
Speaker 1: in a way that previous generations never knew.
Speaker 2: Hi.
Speaker 1: I'm Anahad O'Connor, and this is chasing Sleep and iHeartRadio
Speaker 1: production and partnership with Mattress Firm. I've spent much of
Speaker 1: my career looking into the obstacles that prevent us from
Speaker 1: getting good sleep. Most of these obstacles have been with
Speaker 1: human beings since we first started walking up right, things
Speaker 1: like stress, finding time to rest, and even the position
Speaker 1: of the sun. But a uniquely modern problem we face
Speaker 1: comes from technology, both from being bombarded by blue light
Speaker 1: from multiple screens and also from the extremely recent phenomenon
Speaker 1: of video games, pulling our brains into completely different worlds,
Speaker 1: often right before we try to go to sleep at night.
Speaker 3: To our brains, these developers and these games are so
Speaker 3: good that they create real experience. You feel like you
Speaker 3: were in the deserted compound, surrounded by zombies, trying to
Speaker 3: figure out how to kill them and get to this
Speaker 3: next place where all the other players are like, when
Speaker 3: in fact, no, you're just sitting in a chair in
Speaker 3: your bedroom looking at a box of light.
Speaker 1: A box of light with profound effects. Many of us
Speaker 1: have fond memories of jumping on turtles and saving princesses
Speaker 1: in those boxes of light. And as the games got
Speaker 1: more intricate, not only were they more fun to play,
Speaker 1: but an entire audience started to grow that liked watching
Speaker 1: people play. A gamer streaming on Twitch like black ony
Speaker 1: can neet tens of thousands of followers and views.
Speaker 2: Back when I was living in Boston specifically, I was
Speaker 2: working full time at least forty hours a week. I
Speaker 2: was streaming at least three to four times a week.
Speaker 2: I was writing articles and posting videos, I was podcasting,
Speaker 2: and for a lot of the time, I was single,
Speaker 2: so I was able to do a lot of this.
Speaker 1: It's pretty amazing to me. So many of us have
Speaker 1: watched the gaming industry evolve literally right before our eyes,
Speaker 1: from these very unserious, blocky games where the main goal
Speaker 1: was just to jump from platform to platform to what
Speaker 1: we have today, these now ultra sophisticated storytelling medium As
Speaker 1: you rode the wave of this changing technology, what were
Speaker 1: some of the challenges that kept you from having a
Speaker 1: healthy sleep routine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was challenging, especially to realize my
Speaker 2: limitations and realize like I needed to do better about
Speaker 2: taking care of myself even though I felt like I was.
Speaker 2: The sleep part was a really big part of really
Speaker 2: buckling down, like, all right, I just have to I
Speaker 2: have to get more sleep, or else this is just
Speaker 2: going to keep happening to me. I'm going to keep suffering.
Speaker 1: It sounds like you were aware of the challenges from
Speaker 1: pretty early on, especially because so much of the streaming
Speaker 1: traffic occurs at night.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so I did try to like squeeze in
Speaker 4: every little bit of sleep I could, but it was
Speaker 4: mostly because I was especially being on the East Coast
Speaker 4: and trying to appease to the West Coast viewers as well.
Speaker 2: I was staying up till at least two, maybe three
Speaker 2: sometimes in the morning, every time I streamed, and I
Speaker 2: was for a while, I was streaming almost every weekday.
Speaker 2: During some of this time where I was doing just
Speaker 2: all this other stuff and only getting like five hours
Speaker 2: of sleep, I definitely remember this distinct feeling of feeling
Speaker 2: like I was like in this fog, where like I
Speaker 2: was just so much slower. Even though I was able
Speaker 2: to like do so much during that time, I knew,
Speaker 2: I knew in the back of my head that if
Speaker 2: I was able to sleep more, I would be that
Speaker 2: much more efficient. Like once I lay down and sit
Speaker 2: to go on that bed, like I was out, that
Speaker 2: was it.
Speaker 1: While falling asleep quickly allowed will to steal resting time
Speaker 1: at every opportunity throughout the day. The ability to snooze
Speaker 1: as soon as we hit the pillow is actually a bug,
Speaker 1: not a feature of our brains. According to Chris, it's
Speaker 1: usually indicative of an unhealthy cycle of sleep.
Speaker 3: One are the problems is if you ask most people
Speaker 3: what is the sign of good sleep, they're going to
Speaker 3: tell you how quickly you fall asleep. I always call
Speaker 3: it speed to unconsciousness, if that's a thing. And so
Speaker 3: when you're talking to two people, well, I'm a good sleeper,
Speaker 3: but my roommate here, he's a bad sleeper. The good
Speaker 3: sleepers often defining themselves as a good sleeper because they
Speaker 3: get in bed and fall asleep fast, and the bad
Speaker 3: sleeper man, he gets in bed, sometimes takes him thirty
Speaker 3: four or five minutes to fall asleep. So it's interesting
Speaker 3: that Will recognizes that because the idea that he's turning
Speaker 3: everything off getting in bed and immediately out cold. Great,
Speaker 3: but that could very well be indicating that his brain
Speaker 3: is looking for more sleep than it's actually.
Speaker 1: Gettingh Yeah, that's pretty unnerving. So you're saying people out
Speaker 1: there could be suffering from something sleep related and not
Speaker 1: even realize it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because you again, they're the ones who fall asleep immediately. Yeah,
Speaker 3: they're the ones who when their partner comes to see
Speaker 3: me because here she can't sleep, Mike, Well, tell me
Speaker 3: about your partner. All he's a great sleeper. He's a sleeper,
Speaker 3: he can sleep anywhere. So I'm usually thinking, as I'm
Speaker 3: talking to partner A, I'm more worried about partner B.
Speaker 3: Might want to get partner be in here because he's
Speaker 3: really sleeping.
Speaker 1: That makes sense that if you can fall asleep quickly,
Speaker 1: it just means that you're starved for sleep. And speaking
Speaker 1: of partners, I find it interesting that sharing our sleep
Speaker 1: space and time with someone else often forces us to
Speaker 1: look at it in a different way.
Speaker 2: Being in a relationship forced me to approach it differently.
Speaker 2: Specifically being in a relationship that I realized early on,
Speaker 2: like I wanted to give more. For the reason I
Speaker 2: was single for so long was because like I just
Speaker 2: wanted to There was always that tension of like, all right,
Speaker 2: do I spend more time with her or do I
Speaker 2: spend time focus on my business and focusing on getting
Speaker 2: my viewership up and getting more followers and blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: If you can relate to being sleep starved, and let's
Speaker 1: face it, most of us can, we tend to exhibit
Speaker 1: more of these behaviors in our younger years.
Speaker 2: I could have obviously been better about it, especially as
Speaker 2: a younger guy. But I was just trying to fire
Speaker 2: on all cylinders at all times, and it just drove
Speaker 2: a wedge in between my health and my ambition.
Speaker 1: When we think about our sleepless youth, we might remember
Speaker 1: actually being able to perform fairly well, or at least
Speaker 1: well enough. There may have been late nights burning the
Speaker 1: midnight oil, followed by early mornings cramming for finals or
Speaker 1: working double shifts. It might even seem like we simply
Speaker 1: didn't need as much sleep back then. But what's really
Speaker 1: the case is that our bodies were just better at
Speaker 1: powering through without And.
Speaker 3: When you think about video gaming in the ages of
Speaker 3: people playing it, I have yet to encounter a sixty
Speaker 3: seven year old who's crushing it in call of duty
Speaker 3: every in some competition. They're young people, and the good
Speaker 3: and bad thing about young people is they can kind
Speaker 3: of abuse their bodies and still do Okay, Yeah, because
Speaker 3: you're young. That's why I always tell young athletes so like, oh,
Speaker 3: I go out and play video games and go to
Speaker 3: bars all night long, and as long as I get
Speaker 3: four or five hours sleep, I'm great. But that's not
Speaker 3: going to last. This is the time to really invest
Speaker 3: in your sleep. We see a lot of children in
Speaker 3: our clinic. The rise of twenty four hour gaming culture
Speaker 3: is definitely something that we see. In fact, one of
Speaker 3: the case studies in my new book, The Rested Child
Speaker 3: was a family of a daughter who was spending a
Speaker 3: tremendous amount of time between you know, after school, before
Speaker 3: she'd go to school the next day on platforms playing
Speaker 3: games where other people would pay her to do it,
Speaker 3: you pay to watch her do it. So it was
Speaker 3: a very unusual situation of Had she been in some
Speaker 3: sort of travel soccer team, I guess her parents would
Speaker 3: be much more supportive of it, you know, which's gonna
Speaker 3: be the next Carly Lloyd or whatever. But they fundamentally
Speaker 3: did not like the fact that she was just playing
Speaker 3: video games all the time. Number one and then number two,
Speaker 3: dramatically impairing your sleep.
Speaker 1: Bad sleep will certainly take its toll eventually, no matter
Speaker 1: how young you are. The world of esports and professional
Speaker 1: gaming is so new many are skeptical of its merits
Speaker 1: or even the value it can hold as a full
Speaker 1: time career and income source. But gaming is a gigantic industry,
Speaker 1: one that rakes in over two hundred billion dollars a
Speaker 1: year with an audience that spans every corner of the
Speaker 1: entire world. It's an audience that Will did everything he
Speaker 1: could to reach and engage with early in his career.
Speaker 1: As Will dove deeper into his passion, he found it
Speaker 1: more and more difficult to perform at his best. There
Speaker 1: was a constant struggle between getting more sleep or getting
Speaker 1: more done.
Speaker 2: So that was always the constant like friction of like, oh,
Speaker 2: I know I need more sleep, but I know I
Speaker 2: have to do way more things than just know that
Speaker 2: sleep would afford me at the time.
Speaker 1: It seems like waking up and playing or gaming in
Speaker 1: the middle of the day isn't really an option. The
Speaker 1: majority of this community games views or I guess you
Speaker 1: could say enters the chat later in the day. Would
Speaker 1: you say that's the case for your audience as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that most people who are playing or
Speaker 2: specifically playing together with other people are doing it in
Speaker 2: the evenings because people are off of work, you've had
Speaker 2: their dinner, looking for some way to kind of like
Speaker 2: vibe out and play something with their friends or just
Speaker 2: get real sweaty and competitive and do something really fun.
Speaker 2: Usually that happens that night.
Speaker 3: So I'm a neurologist by draining, so everything boils down
Speaker 3: to the brain and real estate within the brain. And
Speaker 3: when you look at sleep and what's generating sleep and
Speaker 3: where that's happening in the brain, it's sharing real estate
Speaker 3: that's very close to parts of our brain that regulate
Speaker 3: body temperature and regulate immune modulation, strengthening or weakening your
Speaker 3: immune system.
Speaker 1: Will can definitely attest to that. He found himself wrestling
Speaker 1: with multiple debilitating bouts of sickness every year.
Speaker 2: I used to get sick like three to four times
Speaker 2: a year, just like the cold, like or the flu,
Speaker 2: or just like some random thing that just completely takes
Speaker 2: me out. And it was because every night, like every night,
Speaker 2: I was getting like five hours of sleep.
Speaker 1: And it's not just all night gamers that see this effect.
Speaker 1: Any intrusion into healthy sleep has consequences.
Speaker 3: And I remember when I was in residency and doing
Speaker 3: all that call, I was just constantly we were all
Speaker 3: constantly sick. You know, we had no backup, so unless
Speaker 3: you were dying, you had to come to us like okay,
Speaker 3: well whatever. So and as soon as I got outside
Speaker 3: of residency, all that went away. Cold sotares went away,
Speaker 3: sicknesses went away, because there's a big tie in, and
Speaker 3: so it's really interesting to look at some of that
Speaker 3: work on the immune system and how that works because
Speaker 3: we've always known. I mean, our grandmothers and great grandmothers
Speaker 3: could easily have told us, hey, look, if you don't
Speaker 3: get sleep, you're going to get sick.
Speaker 1: As far as I know, the idea that you could
Speaker 1: get sick from a lack of sleep was just something
Speaker 1: people said that took a while to be proven true
Speaker 1: by science. For a long time, it was just an
Speaker 1: anecdotal observation that if you were sleep deprived then you'd
Speaker 1: be more susceptible to flus and colds.
Speaker 3: We've always known it, but it took a long time
Speaker 3: for science to sort of catch up and sort of
Speaker 3: prove it. And so there's a wealth of information now
Speaker 3: that really shows that quality sleep through manipulations of cytokinds
Speaker 3: and immune modulating interlukens in our brain, not to mention
Speaker 3: the modulation of the chemical growth hormone, which is instrumental
Speaker 3: in strengthening and bolts during our immune system, all of
Speaker 3: those things rely on quality sleep. So when we get
Speaker 3: good sleep, we tend to shake illnesses much easier, maybe
Speaker 3: never even manifest symptoms of them.
Speaker 2: It can't even be contested or debated like how important
Speaker 2: sleep is, so just not being sick alone proves worth it.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after our brief message from our
Speaker 1: partners at Mattress Firm, and now back to chasing sleep.
Speaker 1: So we have this fantastic community and platform for content creation, entertainment,
Speaker 1: global connection, you name it. It's incredibly rewarding. We can
Speaker 1: do it from the comfort of our homes. It unites
Speaker 1: people from all over the world. But the downside is
Speaker 1: that it forces us to be staring at these harmful
Speaker 1: blue screens, these basically light boxes, for hours at a time,
Speaker 1: and often right up until bedtime. So there's got to
Speaker 1: be ways that you deal with this. What are some
Speaker 1: techniques that you use to make all this green time
Speaker 1: easier on yourself?
Speaker 2: I do wear protective glasses whenever I am playing, just
Speaker 2: because I know that based on studies, that it has
Speaker 2: some type of impact on me. So I have two
Speaker 2: pairs of protective glasses for gaming specifically or for making art.
Speaker 2: One has an amber tint. So these ones have a
Speaker 2: little bit like a blue light blocking filter in them,
Speaker 2: and the other one is a crystalline one that has
Speaker 2: anti glare anti blue light, but it's much more subtle,
Speaker 2: it's more clear. I use that for what I'm designing,
Speaker 2: and then I wear the glasses protective glasses pretty much
Speaker 2: all the time whenever I'm creating content on Twitter, Facebook
Speaker 2: or whatever it is, just because, like I know, that
Speaker 2: does have an impact on your eyestrain, which has an
Speaker 2: impact on the way you sleep. And then introducing the
Speaker 2: blue light into that as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it is a box of light after all,
Speaker 1: and when you add in late night hours and stressful
Speaker 1: gaming situations, it can be pretty straining. But neutralizing that
Speaker 1: light may help to reduce the damaging effects of late
Speaker 1: night gaming.
Speaker 3: Light in general is problematic. In other words, our bodies
Speaker 3: sort of set our circadian rhythm in a large part
Speaker 3: based upon available light. So when there's lots of light out,
Speaker 3: your body understands that it's daytime, we need to be awake,
Speaker 3: looking for food, reproducing whatever organisms do during the day.
Speaker 3: And then as the light becomes diminished, it's a really
Speaker 3: strong trigger through the chemical melotone and for us to
Speaker 3: get ready to go to bed. But just the light
Speaker 3: in general being right there, you know, a foot and
Speaker 3: a half from your face, really bright, very exciting, is
Speaker 3: interrupting your brain's natural signaling of telling you it's nighttime,
Speaker 3: it's time to go to bed. In fact, your brain
Speaker 3: thinks very differently when you're in front of that screen
Speaker 3: and you see all that light. It's like, oh, it's lunchtime.
Speaker 3: This is the time to be awake. So when you're
Speaker 3: done with that session and turn your light out at midnight,
Speaker 3: your brain doesn't necessarily quickly realize that it's nighttime.
Speaker 1: And will reminds us that when we're worrying about the
Speaker 1: big screen, don't forget about that little screen that all
Speaker 1: of us can easily look at too much.
Speaker 2: Trying not to be on your phone too much when
Speaker 2: you're in the bed is a big one too. Usually
Speaker 2: when I'm going to bed, like I am ready to sleep,
Speaker 2: so I'll look at it so that I can set
Speaker 2: my alarm, read any emails that may have come through
Speaker 2: that I might have missed. Beyond that, I'm not really
Speaker 2: on my phone too much when I'm in the bedroom,
Speaker 2: just because, like, I know that you can stay up
Speaker 2: much longer, you know, if it isn't because you're looking
Speaker 2: at cat video on Instagram. It's because the blue light.
Speaker 3: Is keeping you awake.
Speaker 2: So I've made that a priority a pretty long time
Speaker 2: ago to just like all right, every once in a
Speaker 2: while I'll wake up and like write something down that
Speaker 2: I have an idea about. But beyond that, I try
Speaker 2: to limit the amount of phone I'm using.
Speaker 1: The light factor is so impactful that Chris says simply
Speaker 1: taking down that brightness or wearing protective glasses could make
Speaker 1: all the difference, because it's not just a box of light. Remember,
Speaker 1: this tech is changing and changing fast. There are devices
Speaker 1: that you can strap over your eyes that pull you
Speaker 1: into a virtual realm. There's entire metaverses being created that
Speaker 1: blur the lines between the game and real life. So
Speaker 1: anything you can do to mitigate this bombardment of light
Speaker 1: is helpful.
Speaker 3: This is always a difficult question just because it butts
Speaker 3: up against reality. You know, I hear you know, various
Speaker 3: sleep experts speak, you know, well two hours. You know,
Speaker 3: we just really shut everything off two hours before you
Speaker 3: go to bed, and there's nothing wrong with that, but
Speaker 3: I'm always like, well, what are you doing for the
Speaker 3: two hours? Just sit there in the dark for two
Speaker 3: hours and think about life or something. So to me,
Speaker 3: if somebody says, look, I can't stop playing this video
Speaker 3: game at ten o'clock and wait around un till midnight
Speaker 3: to go to sleep, I think that's where you know
Speaker 3: dimming the light? Can we make your monitor less bright?
Speaker 3: Can we wear sunglasses or the blue block or glasses?
Speaker 1: It wasn't easy, but Will built up a big following
Speaker 1: and carved out an amazing path in the career of
Speaker 1: his dreams. We'll Sleep is a lot better now, and
Speaker 1: so is his overall health and performance in life and work.
Speaker 1: It takes a lot to stay healthy, even in a
Speaker 1: community that we don't usually associate with workplace hazards or
Speaker 1: on the field injuries.
Speaker 2: Beyond you know, prioritize time to make sure you sleep
Speaker 2: is find out what you like with regards to how
Speaker 2: you sleep, and be conscious of your health. So I'm
Speaker 2: going to reference a competitive fighting game player. He goes
Speaker 2: by Toketo, and he's an excellent gamer. Not only is
Speaker 2: he like excels at the mechanical part of being a gamer,
Speaker 2: but he is one of the people who really pushed
Speaker 2: the narrative of why it's important to take your health
Speaker 2: seriously when it comes to gaming because it's not always
Speaker 2: considered like a high impact or performance based profession, right
Speaker 2: like not like being a basketball player. Taking your health
Speaker 2: into consideration is just as important as how you strategize
Speaker 2: within games to be better about them. Having the immune
Speaker 2: system to be able to do those late nights whenever
Speaker 2: you need to, like on rare occasions, like having the
Speaker 2: mental and physical fortitude to be able to do that
Speaker 2: without straining yourself too much. All that plays a part
Speaker 2: in you being able to do what you love to
Speaker 2: do longer. And not just like in a literal sense
Speaker 2: of like marathon sessions, but just life wise. You know,
Speaker 2: things that you're doing to hurt yourself in this moment
Speaker 2: can have residual effects down the line if you don't
Speaker 2: do things to kind of counterbalance it.
Speaker 1: So gamer or not, What is something that our listeners
Speaker 1: can control in their immediate future to improve their sleep?
Speaker 2: Your bed? Like think about like what you're sleeping on,
Speaker 2: and if it's really as good for your back and
Speaker 2: for your body and for your sleeping patterns as you think.
Speaker 2: So being aware of your sleeping habits and how you
Speaker 2: like to sleep, and you know if you're a back
Speaker 2: sleeper or a side sleeper, the size of the bed,
Speaker 2: the firmness of it, the softness of it. Having all
Speaker 2: of those elements into play as well with your health
Speaker 2: can make a big impact in how well you sleep.
Speaker 2: So having some kind of priority on making sure your
Speaker 2: bed is what you need it to be for you
Speaker 2: to sleep your best is also a big part of
Speaker 2: your overall health and something that will help you keep
Speaker 2: doing what you love to do longer.
Speaker 1: There you have it, our beds. Just as each gamer
Speaker 1: has their console or PC of choice, their favorite controllers
Speaker 1: and hardware, each of us should treat the thing we
Speaker 1: sleep on as a tool for better rest. Gaming isn't
Speaker 1: the only industry that evolves to challenge our sleep. As
Speaker 1: our world continues to progress and modernize, we can face
Speaker 1: all sorts of challenges that our hunter gatherer ancestors couldn't
Speaker 1: even dream of.
Speaker 3: I was talking to somebody who was a professor at
Speaker 3: one time, and she said the hardest part about her
Speaker 3: job was preparing people for jobs that don't exist now,
Speaker 3: meaning that I'm talking to a student and in five
Speaker 3: years they'll be doing something that I didn't even know existed.
Speaker 3: And I think that really speaks to the rapid evolution
Speaker 3: of things that are happening right now, particularly within technology.
Speaker 3: And if somebody said one of the biggest threat to
Speaker 3: a younger person in terms of their sleep, I would
Speaker 3: say it's technology.
Speaker 1: And if technology is the biggest challenge to sleep, that
Speaker 1: puts people like Will Wiggins right in the thick of it.
Speaker 1: That's all for this episode. Join me again next week
Speaker 1: when I learn how a wildlife documentarian sleeps in some
Speaker 1: of the most remote areas of the world, all while
Speaker 1: being ready to record footage of some of the most
Speaker 1: elusive animals.
Speaker 5: The Alaska Peninsula is one of the densest populations of
Speaker 5: bears in the world. I've spent a lot of time
Speaker 5: there intent in the middle of that country thousand pound
Speaker 5: carnivores and you uns your tent in the morning and
Speaker 5: there could be two, three or four bears in view.
Speaker 1: We want to hear from you. Leave a rating or
Speaker 1: review for our show on your podcast player of choice.
Speaker 1: You can find me on Twitter at Anahad O'Connor. Until
Speaker 1: next time, hoping you're living your best while sleeping your best.
Speaker 1: Chasing Sleep is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership with
Speaker 1: Mattress Firm. Our executive producer is Molly Sosha. Our EP
Speaker 1: of Post is James Foster. Our supervising producer is Keia Swinton.
Speaker 1: Our producer is Sierra Kaiser. This episode was written and
Speaker 1: researched by Eric Leijia and Jessica Patia. This show is
Speaker 1: hosted by me Anahad O'Connor