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We have an amazing show for everybody today. 19 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: When do we have Crystal? Indeed, we do lots of 20 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: really interesting and important stories to get to elon Musk 21 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: may pay a little bit in Texas. We will tell 22 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:18,479 Speaker 1: you why, because there is some dispute over exactly why 23 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:20,400 Speaker 1: he might pay a little bit in taxes. There are 24 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 1: new revelations coming out of that Astro World tragedy in 25 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: Houston involving Travis Scott, new indications that he was worn 26 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:31,839 Speaker 1: beforehand about the size and the nature and the rowdiness 27 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 1: of the crowd. So we'll bring you all of those details. 28 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: New review of something I know you guys are all 29 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 1: eagerly anticipating. That is the release of Pete boodhaj Edge's 30 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:47,319 Speaker 1: documentary right up in Politico. It's actually kind of interesting. 31 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: I expect Politico to just do like a total fluff piece. Yeah, 32 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: but it is a little bit revealing, so we'll give 33 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: you those details. A new university is being launched down 34 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: in Austin, Texas with some members of what used to 35 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: be called at least I don't know they still call 36 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: themselves intellectual dark webs anyway, you know what I'm talking about. 37 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 1: We've got Glenn Greenwood on the show to talk about 38 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 1: the very latest embarrassment for the media with regards to Russiagate. 39 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:18,239 Speaker 1: But we wanted to start with some additional just devastating 40 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 1: poll numbers for the Biden administration, right, And the way 41 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:23,519 Speaker 1: that we're trying to do this is not just focus 42 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:26,359 Speaker 1: on pure approval, but try to dig down into the 43 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: core of what americans concerns about Biden are. And I 44 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 1: think there is no more revealing one than this. So 45 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: let's put this up there on the screen. This is 46 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: USA Today Suffolk University poll, which is that nearly two 47 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 1: thirds of Americans sixty four percent, said they did not 48 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:44,239 Speaker 1: want Biden to run for a second term in twenty 49 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 1: twenty four. That included twenty eight percent of Democrats, so 50 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: more than a quarter. And that opposition to Trump running 51 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: for another term was also nearly as high, at fifty 52 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 1: eight percent. That included twenty four percent of Republicans, so 53 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:02,799 Speaker 1: aka about a quarter. I think that just crystallizes everything 54 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 1: is a problem with our politics, which is we had 55 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: two options, neither of whom a lot of people really wanted. 56 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: People felt trapped, largely, you know, in reference to their 57 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 1: cultural positions, and so they had to go out and 58 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: vote in order to vote against the other guy. But 59 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: when you look at that amount of negative impartisanship, that 60 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 1: is not the place for a healthy democracy, and Biden 61 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: in particular, since he's the president and he's going to 62 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 1: bear the brunt of the national mood, and frankly he 63 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: should is really showing people. For a lot of those 64 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 1: who showed up to vote for him, even though they 65 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: kind of held their nose, that you know, holding their 66 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: nose was the right decision. So let's put this what 67 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: up there on the screen, which is that nearly half 68 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 1: of those surveyed, nearly half, forty six percent said that 69 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: Biden has done a worse job as president than they expected, 70 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: including sixteen percent of those who voted for him, and 71 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: independence by a seven to one margin, have said that 72 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: he's done a worst job, not better than they So 73 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: that almost is the worst one in crystal. Partisan Republicans 74 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: are always going to hate Biden. Democrats generally going to 75 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: stick with their guy. He's still got eighty four percent 76 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: there saying he's doing better job, but amongst the independents 77 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: have a seven to one, you know, ratio in terms 78 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:17,919 Speaker 1: of those who say you're doing worse than doing better. 79 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 1: That is a total disaster, and it just reflects the 80 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: mood of the country about how things are not working 81 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 1: the way they should. Nothing is happening here in Washington. 82 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:29,720 Speaker 1: You know, we're all of the necessities and basics of 83 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:31,719 Speaker 1: day to day life. I'm getting to in my monologue 84 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 1: even more today. But it's just I think prices are skyrocketing, 85 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: things don't work properly, and he's just nowhere to be seen. 86 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: I don't even know what he did yesterday, Like I 87 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 1: was he in front of a camera? You know, sometimes 88 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 1: when we're planning a show, we have to go dig around. 89 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 1: We're like, did he make a comment here? Like where's 90 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,840 Speaker 1: the where is the president? I have no idea. Can 91 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 1: we get some sound of him saying something for Trump? 92 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: You know, better or worse? Yeah? He always wait spectrum 93 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 1: that he always had a comment on something. Yeah. No, 94 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,359 Speaker 1: that actually is a really good point. We use so 95 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 1: little of Biden sound in the show, not because we 96 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: don't want to, but because there just isn't that much 97 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: of it relevant to the topics that we're covering to 98 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:16,279 Speaker 1: speak of. And if you look into these numbers too, 99 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 1: and some of the other pole numbers we're going to 100 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: get to you you see that there's a sense that 101 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: he's not focused on the issues that people care about, 102 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 1: and especially for people whose number one issue is the economy. 103 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: They feel like he does not have his eye on 104 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: the ball with regards to the economy, and you know, 105 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: out of the gates there was a very different sentiment. 106 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: So it's not like, oh, he's just he's just gotten 107 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: a bad delta, bad hand here, national windsor against him. 108 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 1: Coronavirus continues. Out of the gates when there was action 109 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 1: and there was a kind of assertive take charge. This 110 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 1: is what we're doing, this is how we're getting back 111 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,719 Speaker 1: on track. We're going to get checks out to everybody. 112 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 1: Everyone's feeling a little more hopeful, like things were headed 113 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: in the right direction. His approval ratings were quite high, 114 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: They were really quite high. He was very hard to demonize. 115 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:07,600 Speaker 1: Republicans had effectively at that point sort of given up 116 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 1: on even trying to demonize him and make him into 117 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 1: the villain or instead trying all these like you know, 118 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 1: I'm sur trying to tie a pretend like AOC's really 119 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: in charge of the White House or something like that, 120 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: which wasn't really working all that well. So it's not 121 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 1: like this was inevitable. He allowed his agenda to get 122 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: completely mired and bogged down in DC. So people feel 123 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 1: like you're not actually doing much of anything except arguing 124 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:37,839 Speaker 1: and every week killing another popular provision of your agenda 125 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 1: that we actually voted for and wanted to see implemented. 126 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: He isn't visible in terms of sort of taking charge 127 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 1: of where the country is going. And so yeah, I 128 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:50,159 Speaker 1: think a lot of people feel disappointed. It was a 129 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 1: low bar too that he stepped into. You could imagine 130 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 1: another scenario where because look, the pandemic's not over, but 131 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: things are definitely improved from the worst of that crisis. 132 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 1: This is the economic recession is not over. There are 133 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: still a lot of problems in the economy, especially with 134 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: regards to prices going up and supply chain issues, but 135 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 1: we're also in a much less terrifying and better place 136 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: than we were previously. You could see how actually some 137 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: of these trends could have inure to his benefit if 138 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: people had the sense that he was on top and 139 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: focused on the things that they are in fact concerned 140 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 1: about at this point. That's what it really is. I 141 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: believe he could survive all of this if he was 142 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: just a semi competent president. I mean, I don't know 143 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: another president who came in with promise of all he 144 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 1: had to do was get the checks out of the 145 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: door in vaccines, people's arms, and like, do some semi 146 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 1: competent legislating with a decent enough majority in the House 147 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: and in the Senate. And he couldn't do any of that. 148 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 1: It's amazing. And then in terms of you know, addressing 149 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: the basics, people know Biden is not paying attention. Take 150 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: a look at the CNN pull and you mentioned some 151 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: of this. The majority of Americans say that Biden is 152 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: not paying attention to the nation's most issues. And among 153 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: those Americans who say the economy is the most pressing 154 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 1: problem aka thirty six percent. Among that group, seventy two 155 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 1: percent say that Biden has not been attentive to the 156 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 1: right issues. That is the dynamic that is reversed amongst 157 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 1: the smaller twenty percent who consider coronavirus the top problem. 158 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: So Biden is doing fine on COVID. He's got like 159 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: a seventy nine percent approval rating amongst Americans there are 160 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 1: in the CNN poll. But the more and more, and 161 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: I keep trying to emphasize this, COVID is moving to 162 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: the back burner. In terms of electoral politics, in particular, 163 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: people are pissed off about the economy. Majority of Americans 164 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: have the vaccine. Yes, you know there are many people 165 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: who are unvaccinated, hospitalization rates, et cetera. But that is 166 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: on the back of the minds. For most it's about 167 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: school disruption, It's about I can't get the stuff, I 168 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: can't go out to eat, things are too expensive. They 169 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 1: are all kinds of different problems. And you know, when 170 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:55,559 Speaker 1: you go when you look at this in particular, what 171 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: you find is that the number of strong disapprovals continues 172 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 1: to increase. Crystal, thirty six percent say they strongly disapprove 173 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: of Biden's handling of the presidency, and that is actually 174 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: about the same as whenever they were asked for the 175 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:14,439 Speaker 1: strength of approve approval in April. So he had in 176 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 1: about switch from a thirty six percent strong approval back 177 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 1: in April to now with thirty six percent strong disapproval 178 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: here today in the month of November. And as things 179 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: continue to trend that way, as more disruption in the 180 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:31,439 Speaker 1: economy continues to happen, which we will have and I'm 181 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: going to be talking about that for household heating expenses 182 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 1: in my monologue, But that's just one other facet of 183 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 1: the household balance sheet. Almost every single day to day expense. 184 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 1: Everything that people are doing is more expensive or is 185 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: inconvenient in some way. Nothing is going back to normal. 186 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: The President doesn't seem to have a plan to get 187 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 1: everything back to normal. So honestly, this could not even 188 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: be the lowest point. I really do think it could 189 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: get worse, much worse actually for the democratic climate in 190 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: the midterm from a year from now. I certainly think 191 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: that is a possibility. Of course, I don't underestimate the 192 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: opportunity Republicans will, you know, do everything they can. I 193 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: forgot about who make it difficult for themselves to make 194 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 1: any any gains. I mean, listen, I think Democrats are 195 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:17,199 Speaker 1: screwed in the midterms. I've been saying that for a 196 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 1: long time. We've both been saying that since long before Virginia. 197 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: Not because of you know, critical race theory in loud 198 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:27,199 Speaker 1: and County or whatever, just because if you look at 199 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: the fact that seventy percent of Americans are like, things 200 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 1: are not going well, We're on the wrong track. That 201 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: is a devastating number. President's approval rating. All of these 202 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: indicators tell you that the party in power right now 203 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: is headed for some devastating results, which is why again, 204 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: you know, those of us who wanted to see some 205 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: things done for the middle class and the working class 206 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 1: in this administration were like, the clock is ticking. If 207 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: you don't do some things now, it is not happening 208 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 1: because number one, you who are likely to lose power 209 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 1: in the midterms and then you're done, like the administration 210 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: this four years is over. And number two, you're also 211 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 1: relying in the Senate on a bunch of like seventy 212 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 1: and eighty year olds during pandemic to make sure that 213 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: you know their lives continue for your power. The actuarial 214 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 1: tables are not in your favor. So even if you 215 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:20,559 Speaker 1: wanted to live in a fantasy land where Democrats keep 216 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 1: control of the House and the Senate, that also would 217 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:27,199 Speaker 1: argue in favor of getting your act together and getting moving. Instead, 218 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: Biden bought into you know what has been his ideology 219 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: in DC for the forty years that he's been there, 220 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: This idea that voters are really going to reward you 221 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: getting a handful of Republicans to sign on to some 222 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 1: part of your agenda. Bottom line is, people don't really 223 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: care about the process of how things get done in DC. 224 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 1: They don't care about the filibuster. They don't care about 225 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 1: the parliamentarian. They don't care if Lindsey Graham voted for 226 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 1: your stupid bill. They care about what's going on in 227 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 1: their lives and what impact they ultimately feel on their 228 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 1: day today. Is life getting better? Is life getting worse? 229 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: Do I feel hopeful about the future for myself and 230 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:08,079 Speaker 1: my kids or do I feel pessimistic about it? And 231 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 1: by chasing the Beltway bipartisan dream, Joe Biden destroyed his 232 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: agenda and he destroyed his popularity. You know, there's been 233 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:21,199 Speaker 1: this like very insular debate going on about this notion 234 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 1: of popularism, very online. But I'll give you the kind 235 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: of top lines David Shory's polster and sort of data 236 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 1: analytics guy saying, listen, this is pretty simple. What Democrats 237 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 1: need to do is just talk about the issues that 238 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 1: are popular. And I would say the Democrats have talked 239 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 1: about the issues that are popular. They've talked about paid 240 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: leave eighty percent approval, They've talked about the child tax credit, 241 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 1: very popular. They've talked about negotiating prescription drug prices also 242 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:51,079 Speaker 1: very popular. So they are talking about things that are popular, 243 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: yet they are not doing well because they aren't actually 244 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: delivering on things that are popular and that are the 245 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 1: top priority for Americans right now in this moment. So 246 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 1: I sort of feel like the landscape we're facing right 247 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 1: now is an absolute rebuttal to the idea that all 248 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 1: you need to do is talk about things that poll well, 249 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 1: you need to actually deliver things that not only poll 250 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 1: well but actually have an impact on people's lives that 251 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: matters more than almost anything else. Yeah, Friend of the Show, 252 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 1: Matt Stoler has disputed popularism with what he calls deliverism, 253 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 1: And I would add an addendum to that, which is 254 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 1: also that you know, these agenda items also might be popular, 255 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 1: but you also have to be focused on the absolute 256 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 1: near term problems, and Biden is just absent on that. 257 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: You know, paid family leave is great, but what about 258 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 1: my gas? You know, paid family leave is growth, child 259 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: tax crud is great, but what about the price and 260 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 1: the food you know, in the grocery store or restaurant, 261 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 1: can't hire somebody, what about my heating prices? If you're 262 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 1: not even pretending to focus on that, you could even 263 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 1: try and pass some five year program and it wouldn't matter. 264 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: So it's a fusion of the two and that is 265 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:55,679 Speaker 1: his why I don't know what their theory of politics 266 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 1: is in the White House. I don't either, if I 267 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 1: had to guess, they believe everything is downstream of the pandemic. 268 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 1: So Pete bootajeedge you we will talk about later in 269 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:05,079 Speaker 1: the show. He gave a press conference today and we'll 270 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 1: get to a hilarious part of that one in particular. 271 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 1: But he was like, look, you know, everything is downstream 272 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:11,719 Speaker 1: of the pandemic. If we end the pandemic, then we'll 273 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:13,439 Speaker 1: solve all of this. This is not true, Like, it 274 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 1: has nothing the supply backlog at the ports. Yes, it 275 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: had to do with the pandemic, but you know, people 276 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 1: could not be getting infected by Corona tomorrow and there 277 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 1: would still be a backlog at the ports. It's because 278 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: the global supply chain has fallen apart over the last 279 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: eighteen months. Fixing that has nothing to do with the pandemic. 280 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: So how about you do your job? I mean Biden too, 281 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 1: I mean, look, I get this isn't the presidency you wanted, 282 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 1: but this is the presidency you have, and people need 283 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: to be called and rise to the occasion. I mean, 284 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: in terms of what you need to come through and 285 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 1: do he should be issuing executive orders day after day 286 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: to try and ease the problems of Corona. Every American 287 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: knows how annoying and awful it is to try and 288 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 1: go do something that it used to be pretty easy. 289 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 1: Now it's more expensive, or it's not working, or there's 290 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 1: some kink in the system, and it's just it's just 291 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: not going the right way, and that's why people have 292 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: such a high level of dissatisfaction. That's what he should 293 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: be laser focused on as present. You do that and 294 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 1: you pass paid family leave, you'll be popular today, and 295 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: you'll be popular three months from now or a year 296 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 1: from now or something. These are the issues there. There 297 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 1: are theory of politics in the White House. I maybe 298 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 1: there is a one. I really just don't know what 299 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 1: else to say, Like I'm misdivited at how terrible they are. 300 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 1: But that's not exactly a visionary no, I mean, he's not. 301 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 1: I don't and I don't mean that as an insult. 302 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: I think it's just a statement of fact. If you 303 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 1: look over the course of his career, he sort of 304 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 1: governs by like a basket of slogans and cliches and like, 305 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 1: you know, stories from his childhood and has a few 306 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: core instincts, one of which is this obsession with bipartisanship 307 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 1: that I think have hobbled him in this moment when 308 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 1: you know, I think whatever you think the vision should 309 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 1: ultimately be, the country is clearly searching to make a turn. 310 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 1: They're clearly searching for a more visionary leader who is 311 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 1: going to rescue the country from what feels like permanent decline. 312 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: I mean, that's the sense that people get is this 313 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 1: country is on the way down, is on the way out, 314 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: and so they're looking for someone who has a clear 315 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 1: vision of how we change that, how we make sure 316 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 1: that this is a nation again that is at its core, 317 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: not that we've ever really fully delivered on this promise 318 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 1: for the entire population, but that its core is about 319 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 1: making sure that its citizens can pursue happiness and leave 320 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: live good and fulfilled lives, both of themselves and their children. 321 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 1: And you know, I think, again, going back to the 322 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: hand that Biden was dealt here, a different president who 323 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 1: had that sense of an alternative future and a real 324 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: vision for how to get us there, actually had all 325 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 1: the tools at their disposal to maneuver things. I mean, 326 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 1: you know, you've got a crisis situation, especially at the 327 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 1: begetting This is the point that Brianna has been making 328 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 1: that you know in the must pass, like, we got 329 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 1: to get the checks out the door, and we got 330 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 1: to do some instant relief right at the beginning of 331 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 1: the administration. You don't wait for the big agenda items 332 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 1: till now. You put some of them in here so 333 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 1: that you're not just doing an instant injection of cash. 334 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 1: You're building something for the long term that has a 335 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: bigger picture vision. So you're delivering in that way. You 336 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 1: could have done a lot more with executive powers that 337 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:31,159 Speaker 1: he's extraordinarily reluctant ultimately to use. And then part of 338 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 1: it is using the bully pulpit in an effective way 339 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 1: and giving people confidence that anything that you can do 340 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 1: and is in your power, you are going to do 341 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 1: to help them get through what continues to be a 342 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:48,400 Speaker 1: very challenging and unsettling time when you know, yeah, we're 343 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 1: out of the worst of the pandemic, but the inequalities 344 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: of the country have only gotten worse. The rich have 345 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: only gotten richer, prices are going up. You've got a 346 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 1: plurality of people who think were it into a recession 347 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: in the next year. These are really bad indicators, and 348 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: you at the very least have to give people the 349 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:09,400 Speaker 1: sense that you are on it and you are doing 350 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 1: everything you possibly can. And I think on that metric alone, 351 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 1: he is utterly failed and is incapable of doing anything 352 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 1: other than failed. That's right, that is his greatest failure. Okay, 353 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: let's move on here to the stock market. This is 354 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: a fun one. I've went deep on this one. I'm 355 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 1: sure many of you noticed Elon Musk's tweet there where 356 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 1: he asked whether he should sell some stock. We'll get 357 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:31,879 Speaker 1: to that tweet, but I found a very interesting piece 358 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,879 Speaker 1: in CNBC which sheds light on why all of this 359 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: might actually be happening. So let's put this up there 360 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 1: on the screen. Elon Musk actually faces a fifteen billion 361 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:45,399 Speaker 1: dollar tax bill, which is likely the real reason that 362 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:48,719 Speaker 1: he is selling stock. So let's get behind into this. 363 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 1: And this is actually I want to go into it 364 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 1: because it's very revealing as how the ultra wealthy, the 365 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 1: ultra ultra I'm talking you know, top ten individuals in 366 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 1: the United States who hold the most amount of wealth. 367 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 1: This is now their income actually flows. So, as Muskus says, 368 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 1: he never takes any income. All of his holdings are 369 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:10,880 Speaker 1: in stock well. He was actually compensated in twenty twelve 370 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:14,440 Speaker 1: as part of a compensation plan with stock options. Because 371 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 1: he doesn't take any salary cash bonus, his wealth comes 372 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 1: from stock awards and the gains in Tesla's share price. 373 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: So in twenty twenty twelve, he was given twenty two 374 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 1: point eight million shares at a strike price of six 375 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: dollars and twenty four cents a share. Now Tesla shares 376 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 1: right now are like twelve hundred, so you can see 377 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,679 Speaker 1: the delta, which means that he has gained about twenty 378 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 1: eight billion dollars off of that stock option. Give the 379 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:45,880 Speaker 1: stock option dispensation alone now, because we are now nearing 380 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 1: the option's expiring date in August of next year. In 381 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:54,159 Speaker 1: order to exercise them, Musk has to pay income tax 382 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 1: on the gain from that six dollars twenty four to 383 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 1: the twelve hundred dollars per share. Now, those are going 384 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 1: to be taxed at the ordinary income level because he 385 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 1: was explicitly granted the stock option as part of his 386 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 1: employee benefit or compensation, which means that he now owes 387 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 1: thirty seven percent of that money to the federal government. 388 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:18,880 Speaker 1: Plus a three point eight percent net investment tax, and 389 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 1: because those options were granted in the state of California, 390 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: he's got to pay thirteen point three percent top tax 391 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 1: rate to the state of California. All of that comes 392 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:33,880 Speaker 1: about to fifteen billion dollars. So that actually puts a 393 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:37,920 Speaker 1: lot into perspective given what a lot of people thought 394 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: was a surprise from this tweet. So let's put the 395 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:42,679 Speaker 1: tweet up there on the screen. It was tweeted like 396 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 1: forty to seventy two hours ago or whatever, where he 397 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 1: says much is made of very lately of unrealized gains 398 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:49,439 Speaker 1: being a means of tax avoid and so I propose 399 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 1: selling ten percent of my stock Tesla stock. Do you 400 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 1: support this? He said he will abide by the results 401 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:58,160 Speaker 1: of the poll. Fifty eight percent voted yes, forty two 402 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:00,680 Speaker 1: percent voted no. I think all is forty two percent 403 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: are Tesla stockholders. They didn't want him to see see 404 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 1: him sell about twenty billion dollars worth of stock. But 405 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 1: you know, all of this is yeah, if you have 406 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:11,880 Speaker 1: a vest in listen, I mean Tesla people, I honestly 407 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 1: I wish i'd gotten in. You know, you guys were 408 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 1: hyping it up a lot of my bitcoin friends were 409 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:18,399 Speaker 1: also into Tesla, and I was like, I don't know 410 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: if they can be right on both, you know, and 411 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 1: followed them on one. Maybe should have followed them on 412 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 1: the other. But all that being said, it's very interesting 413 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: to me watching this happen because it is a direct 414 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,959 Speaker 1: view into how the Bezos is, the Musks and all 415 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 1: the other the Buffets and all of them the richest 416 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:38,160 Speaker 1: people in the world, how they actually, if they ever 417 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 1: do pay any tax, it's exactly through this very byzantine 418 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:47,639 Speaker 1: and complicated grantee system of stock option here and then 419 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 1: the strike price, and then it's actually expiring now, you know, 420 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 1: ten years later, which means that he has to sell, 421 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 1: which means that you know, to do that, you have 422 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,239 Speaker 1: to pay a tax on that. Now, look, I mean, 423 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 1: I think it's entirely fair. Team billion dollars in taxes 424 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 1: sounds pretty reasonable, given you know, the one hundred and 425 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:07,159 Speaker 1: thirty or whatever. So that he's actually I think, I 426 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,359 Speaker 1: don't forget what his networth is right now, three hundred billion. 427 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 1: He's there something planet right now, right on paper. Yeah, 428 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 1: And that's the thing too about Bezos. I mean, we 429 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:19,120 Speaker 1: know that Bezos himself granted like eighty thousand dollars in income, right, 430 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,199 Speaker 1: you know, in the last time that he paid taxes 431 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:23,359 Speaker 1: and at one point was even earning the earned income 432 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:26,640 Speaker 1: tax credit, which is like a particularly terrible one. Right, 433 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,439 Speaker 1: claiming his children as dependents, I'm like, yeah, you know 434 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 1: they're real dependent there. Okay, Yeah, So I mean, first 435 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 1: of all, imagine being rich enough that you just have 436 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 1: to casually send the federal government a check for fifteen 437 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 1: billion dollars and that that's like actually way less than 438 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 1: you should be paying and should have been paying over 439 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:49,479 Speaker 1: this entire time if you compare your wealth to that 440 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: of the average family and what they have to send 441 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,360 Speaker 1: into the federal government. So that's mind blowing number one. 442 00:22:55,960 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: But number two. Elon is maybe the most famous user 443 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,920 Speaker 1: of a very common tax avoidance strategy that we've talked 444 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 1: about a number of times here. I know, you guys 445 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 1: love it when we talk about step up basis. It's 446 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: called buy, borrow die, And what you do is you 447 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 1: acquire an asset in this case, you know it's Tesla 448 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:18,640 Speaker 1: and Tesla stocks, you borrow against that asset, so you're 449 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,680 Speaker 1: never actually selling the stock to cash in on those games. 450 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,919 Speaker 1: So there's no taxable event. You're borrowing against it, and 451 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,439 Speaker 1: then you die, and when you die, you leave that 452 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 1: asset to whoever your errors are, and they benefit from 453 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 1: something called step up basis, which means that however much 454 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 1: that asset gained over the course of your life, that 455 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:42,879 Speaker 1: amount of wealth is never ever taxed. Democrats had an 456 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 1: opportunity here to change that. Initially when we were talking 457 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 1: about the Reconciliation Bill and the pay fors and all 458 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,919 Speaker 1: of that step up basis getting changing those rules so 459 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,440 Speaker 1: that this particular tax avoid strategy can no longer be used. 460 00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:00,160 Speaker 1: That was on the table, Well, that very quickly became 461 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,400 Speaker 1: not on the table, and that's why you know, now 462 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 1: we're looking at potentially rich people get a tax break 463 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 1: out of the demographic It's likely they will get a 464 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 1: tax break out of the Democratic bill because of the 465 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 1: Salt Caucus. Thanks guys, that was fantastic work there, and 466 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:21,880 Speaker 1: almost certainly the largest foresh fortunes will be largely unscathed. 467 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: So it leaves us in a place where, you know, 468 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 1: we have to depend on Elon Musk's Twitter survey billionaire, 469 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:36,399 Speaker 1: the largess and generosity of billionaires to fund what you know, 470 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 1: they're they're part in society. That's a ridiculous situation, and 471 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 1: I think it's made even more ridiculous by the fact 472 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 1: that it appears the whole Twitter poll angle was a 473 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 1: bit of a farce since he was going to have 474 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 1: to pay some chunk of taxes anyway, and he just 475 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,439 Speaker 1: wanted to get like the good pr out of being 476 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,199 Speaker 1: able to look at me, I'm so generous. I'm not 477 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 1: trying to avoid taxes like you said, I should pay something, 478 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 1: and I'm going to I'm going to sell the stock. 479 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: I'm going to pay a bunch of taxes. So it's 480 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,680 Speaker 1: kind of a gross situation. That's kind of funny, you know. 481 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,400 Speaker 1: I actually saw a decent take. I think Kyla Scanlon, 482 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,879 Speaker 1: who recently was speaking to she's like a gen Z 483 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 1: financial analyst, and she was like, you know, if anything, 484 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,440 Speaker 1: because he probably was doing this in order to gain 485 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 1: I think, even more popularity for the stock and reach 486 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 1: it to a meme status, which would then actually create 487 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 1: more people buying Tesla because you could see that it 488 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,680 Speaker 1: was entering public consciousness, which actually make the stock price 489 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 1: go up even more. So I could even see some 490 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 1: sort of interesting angle from that perspective. But I think broadly. 491 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 1: Nobody just talks about what you just discussed, the loans. 492 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: You know, our friend Joe Wisenthal over at Bloomberg, he 493 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 1: actually there was a recent academic paper that was put 494 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 1: out in which there was a proposal which is totally illegal. 495 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 1: You could easily implement this is you could actually tax 496 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 1: loans as income over a certain threshold. And so it 497 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 1: would have the added benefit of actually going after the 498 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 1: ultra wealthy because just like in the step base step 499 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:04,639 Speaker 1: up basis, you can cap it. So it's like you 500 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 1: could or you could have a ceiling on which it 501 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:10,160 Speaker 1: would kick in, for example ten million. Right, So nobody's 502 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:11,439 Speaker 1: going to go out there and be like, oh, my 503 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: mortgage for my fifteen million dollar homes getting is getting taxed. 504 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm sorry, I don't feel bad for you. 505 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 1: Fifteen million dollars at fifteen million dollar loan. But anything 506 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,159 Speaker 1: above like a ten or a fifteen million dollar range 507 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: would very obviously be targeted towards people who are borrowing 508 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 1: against the state of their assets to avoid income tax. 509 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 1: And you could actually just tax that at a progressive 510 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: tax income rate in order to target that as well, 511 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 1: which would almost certainly make them then sell their stock 512 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,359 Speaker 1: in order to pay the lower capital gains rate. But 513 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 1: at least in one of those situations, some tax is 514 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 1: being paid. So that's really what it is. And I 515 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 1: know that people are like, oh, the government should stay 516 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 1: out of this. Listen, the government's already involved. So really, 517 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,680 Speaker 1: what it is is that you're trying to structure incentives. 518 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,200 Speaker 1: Right now, we have a situation where the richest people 519 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,399 Speaker 1: in the country don't pay any tax taxes period, like, 520 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 1: they have an effective tax rate of like two to 521 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,680 Speaker 1: three percent. Do you think that's cool. I don't think 522 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 1: it's cool. I think they should pay something. Now, what 523 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,200 Speaker 1: we should do is use the incentives in this tax 524 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:15,120 Speaker 1: system to push their financial decisions such that they can 525 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,680 Speaker 1: still keep a large amount of their assets and also 526 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 1: pay tax, just like you and I can, Crystal and 527 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 1: are small business owners. Now we can tell you a 528 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:26,639 Speaker 1: lot about taxes here in terms of how that works. 529 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 1: And you know, we don't get little tax rates like 530 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 1: that in terms of ride off or whatever that the 531 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,359 Speaker 1: ultra billionaire class has to do, if anything, is a 532 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 1: massive burden upon people who don't even have the same resources. 533 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 1: And so I know it's trying to sound like a boomer. 534 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,400 Speaker 1: But that's that's what's happened. But it is there's sohind 535 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,640 Speaker 1: paying the taxes, right, what we do mind is that 536 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 1: the system is so incredibly unequal. That's unfair. And just 537 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 1: to zoom out from like the nitty gritty of tax policy, 538 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,880 Speaker 1: this has large scale societal implications. I mean, what is 539 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,399 Speaker 1: what do we talk about a lot here? What does 540 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 1: regular media talk about a lot? The breakdown and trust, 541 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:07,159 Speaker 1: the breakdown and institutional trust, the breakdown and the ripping 542 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 1: of the fabric of society. And when you look at 543 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 1: a landscape where the richest among us are basically avoiding 544 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 1: taxes altogether, sometimes not even paying any sometimes literally sometimes 545 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:23,160 Speaker 1: getting credit credit. Yeah, sometimes we're paying them. Okay, when 546 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 1: you look at that two tier system of taxation, and 547 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 1: you look at a two tier system of justice where 548 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 1: you know, the richest among us again seem to be 549 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,440 Speaker 1: able to buy their way out of any sort of accountability. 550 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 1: When you look at this sort of stratified society of 551 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 1: the has and have nots, yeah, that's going to lead 552 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 1: to a lot of breakdown of trust in the nation, 553 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 1: in each other, in institutions. And this is just one 554 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 1: particular and really important facet of it. Another thing we 555 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 1: talk about is, you know, with the Reconciliation Bill, a 556 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 1: lot of the discussion around this was like, oh, we 557 00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 1: need the pay for us, We need to find the 558 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 1: money here so we can fund this over here where 559 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 1: you know, really we need to be talking about making 560 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 1: the tax code more fair, just as an end in 561 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 1: and of itself. Yeah, not just as a because as 562 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 1: we talk, I guess the federal government isn't like your 563 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 1: household balance sheet. It's not like balancing your checkbook. Right, 564 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 1: the global reserve currency, we can print money. All those 565 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 1: things make it a lot different. But changing the tax 566 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 1: code to get to some semblance of anything remotely approaching 567 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 1: fair is an important end in and of itself if 568 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 1: we want to keep the country from continuing to devolve 569 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,479 Speaker 1: into an oligarchy, which is I don't know if it's 570 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 1: where we're headed, and maybe where we already are. Yeah. 571 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 1: I think that's really well said. Okay, let's move on 572 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 1: to this story that we think is very important, which 573 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 1: was the disaster at Astroworld in Houston over the weekend, 574 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 1: where eight people were killed, many of them children, teenagers, 575 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 1: young college kids as well. Hundreds of people were injured 576 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 1: there as well. Now we have some new information from 577 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 1: the actual police officers and this Houston Police department in 578 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 1: terms of their interactions with Travis Scott in the lead 579 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 1: up to this concert itself. So let's put this up 580 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 1: there on the screen, which is that before the actual 581 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 1: performance in Houston, the city's police chief actually met with 582 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 1: Travis Scott to express his concern. That conversation lasted at 583 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 1: least a few minutes. Now, what he said is that 584 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 1: he had conveyed his concerns regarding public safety. What happened 585 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 1: later on that night, well, like I just said, eight 586 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,960 Speaker 1: people died, hundreds of people there where it went ahead 587 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 1: and got injured. And what they saw is that the 588 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 1: police chief he hasn't spoken at least the specifics of 589 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 1: exactly why he was concerned about public safety and more. 590 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 1: But I don't think it would take a genius to 591 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 1: point to the fact that Scott has a very long 592 00:30:55,760 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 1: history of actually encouraging fans to basically behave raucously jump 593 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 1: security barricades and more. This was actually written up in 594 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 1: the Houston Chronicle. We can go ahead and put that 595 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 1: up on the screen, which is that the tragedy casts 596 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 1: new light on his history of encouraging rage and overcrowding. 597 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 1: Back in twenty fifteen, he actually stopped it from performance, 598 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 1: saying that, you know, while he was trying to move people. 599 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 1: And what they point to is that they can say 600 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 1: that Travis Scott has been, you know, repeatedly, he has 601 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 1: repeatedly encouraged this type of behavior at his concerts, of 602 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 1: encouraging rage, of encouraging overcrowding, of tacitly endorsing, you know, 603 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 1: running the barricades and creating this chaotic situation which culminated 604 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 1: in what we saw there in Astra World, where we 605 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 1: saw thousands and thousands of people run through the barricades. 606 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 1: There was a severe crowding of people as Travis Scott's performance, 607 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 1: there was a countdown clock, as you said yesterday, every 608 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,720 Speaker 1: minute move forward. People felt that they were being crushed, 609 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 1: and that really does seem to be the situation now 610 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 1: once again. There were also some other crazy stuff going on. 611 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 1: Had reports to somebody who was injecting someone with either 612 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 1: a drug or a poison the security guard. Possibly that 613 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,720 Speaker 1: could have been something that caused mass panic. There was 614 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 1: a reports there also about lack of EMTs healthcare, the 615 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:19,280 Speaker 1: fact that they were overwhelmed before the crisis even started 616 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,080 Speaker 1: because of bad planning. But I think it begins in 617 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 1: points to the fact that Scott himself has a long 618 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:30,240 Speaker 1: history of encouraging fans to act in this behavior. Number one. 619 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 1: Number two, the police chief met with him and was like, hey, 620 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 1: I mean, once again, we don't know the specifics, but 621 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 1: express his concern to them. They were concerned enough about 622 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 1: public safety and his past in order to say something. 623 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 1: And two, we showed you guys the videos yesterday of 624 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 1: him continuing to play while he could visibly see people 625 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 1: being resuscitated having problems. His partner Kylie Jenner posting that 626 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,320 Speaker 1: Instagram story of the crumb the concert. We could actually 627 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 1: see an ambulance actually moving through the crowd trying to 628 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 1: get to somebody. There was a lot of evidence and 629 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,480 Speaker 1: anecdotal stuff, you know, that showed that they were pretty 630 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,560 Speaker 1: well aware, you know, far before they actually ended up 631 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 1: shutting down the concert. Many people had tried to stop 632 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 1: the concert while it was happening. So there's there's a 633 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 1: lot happening here, Crystal, which points into a real direction 634 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 1: of responsibility here, at least you know, in the public eye, 635 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 1: for how Travis Scott conducts himself, and ultimately, we can't 636 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,720 Speaker 1: forget this is the worst concert disaster since nineteen seventy nine. 637 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 1: It's their Houston Police is causing it. A mass casualty event. 638 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 1: I mean eight people died, Yeah, hundreds of people were 639 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 1: injured and there, you know, there needs to be a 640 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,479 Speaker 1: lot of questions here so that we can avoid these 641 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 1: situations in the future. The more we learn, the more 642 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 1: it seems almost miraculous that quote unquote only eight people died, 643 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 1: because when you look at the videos, when you hear 644 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 1: the on the ground reports of just how dangerous this 645 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 1: situation became, the number of people who were losing consciousness 646 00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:02,920 Speaker 1: and the bodies that were getting trampled, it's really absolutely horrifying. 647 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 1: The lawsuits are starting to roll in for Travis Scott 648 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 1: as well. In one filed Sunday, an attendee said that 649 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:15,360 Speaker 1: others involved with the event, including Travis Scott, had quote 650 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 1: actual subjective awareness of the risk involved, but proceeded with 651 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:22,719 Speaker 1: conscious indifference to the rights, safety, or welfare of the 652 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:26,360 Speaker 1: attendee and others. That attendee, a man named Patrick Stennis, 653 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 1: was trampled, crushed, and lost consciousness during the incident. According 654 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,719 Speaker 1: to the lawsuit that was filed, and will continue to 655 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 1: suffer mental anguish, emotional distress and discomfort. I'm sure for 656 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:41,279 Speaker 1: the people who survived but lost consciousness, I'm sure they 657 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 1: thought they were going to die. Oh yeah, I mean, 658 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:48,040 Speaker 1: I'm sure it was just sheer terror for hundreds, potentially 659 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,319 Speaker 1: thousands of people who were at this concert. And it's 660 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 1: really sad because I know, you know, these were people 661 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 1: who love this artist and who've been probably looking forward 662 00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 1: to this for months, and they get there and instead 663 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:04,759 Speaker 1: of being able to to enjoy this collective experience, they're 664 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:08,600 Speaker 1: in fear for their lives, in some cases getting gravely injured, 665 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:12,400 Speaker 1: in some cases actually dying because they wanted to go 666 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:17,080 Speaker 1: out and enjoy a concert of their favorite artist. One 667 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,480 Speaker 1: of the things that we've also seen from the videos 668 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 1: that are coming out, you had people who were trying 669 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,399 Speaker 1: to get security to help them. I mean, these are 670 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 1: bodies stacked up and receiving very little help, at least 671 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,439 Speaker 1: in some of the videos that were portrayed. I'm sure 672 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,799 Speaker 1: there were many brave, heroic people who saved a lot 673 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 1: of lives. So I don't want to paint with a 674 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,200 Speaker 1: broad brush here, but there are also reports that Kylie 675 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:44,000 Speaker 1: Jenner and her family were escorted out and other VIPs. 676 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,600 Speaker 1: As soon as things started to go out, they're all 677 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,480 Speaker 1: tweeting now we're oh, we're so si Kim Kardashian, you know, 678 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 1: we're a horrible tragedy. He's like, Okay, you know Travis 679 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,759 Speaker 1: loves his fans, all right, Well did he love him 680 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:56,960 Speaker 1: when he was on the stage and crushed well, And 681 00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:00,920 Speaker 1: in this lawsuit they cite, you know, not only some 682 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 1: of the things that you talked about. He's previously encouraged 683 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:05,640 Speaker 1: fans to storm the barricades. He's been fined for that. 684 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,840 Speaker 1: He was soon in the past because a fan after 685 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:14,600 Speaker 1: Travis had encouraged fans to stage dive he felt, was 686 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:19,800 Speaker 1: pushed off a balcony and was paralyzed. Before this event, 687 00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,040 Speaker 1: Travis tweeted something to the effect of the tickets were 688 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 1: sold out, but we're going to let the wild ones in. 689 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,560 Speaker 1: That tweet has now been deleted, And so it just 690 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 1: gives you a sense that for him, this was kind 691 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,520 Speaker 1: of all a game. You know, he created a brand 692 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:38,600 Speaker 1: that was extraordinarily profitable for him personally around this kind 693 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:43,440 Speaker 1: of excess and chaos and anything goes and ultimately it 694 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,840 Speaker 1: wasn't a game. Real human beings, you know, people's babies, 695 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,960 Speaker 1: their lives were put at risk because of a whole 696 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,840 Speaker 1: confluence of factors that we're going to learn more and 697 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,319 Speaker 1: more about. I will say it has also sparked some 698 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,480 Speaker 1: insane conspiracy. Sure, you're now the experts on this, so 699 00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:02,839 Speaker 1: can you can you educate us what's what's going on? 700 00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,360 Speaker 1: I can? Yeah, Okay, so let's put this Newsweek article 701 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:12,400 Speaker 1: up on the screen. Travis Scott Satanic Festival Blood Sacrifice. 702 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:19,480 Speaker 1: Conspiracy theory spreads after tragedy. So some of the imagery, 703 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:23,720 Speaker 1: a lot actually of the imagery that he used with Asterworld, 704 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:28,120 Speaker 1: both the album and with this event was sort of 705 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:32,120 Speaker 1: you know, demonic, satanic. We can throw some of the 706 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,200 Speaker 1: images from one of the first people who's buying into 707 00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,200 Speaker 1: this conspiracy theory. We have a tweet here that you 708 00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:41,120 Speaker 1: can see some of the imagery that was being used 709 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:46,279 Speaker 1: that kind of references these historic famous paintings of the 710 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:50,319 Speaker 1: Gateway to Hell, and the stage itself was sort of 711 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,960 Speaker 1: set up to look like the gates of Hell. Spey odd. 712 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,560 Speaker 1: I do have to say that's odd. It's very odd. 713 00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,799 Speaker 1: Peel also pointing out in that bottom left and aster 714 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,680 Speaker 1: World poster. There's like illuminatis like your wid and hands 715 00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:06,799 Speaker 1: with eyes like this Illuminati imagery. Then the a lot 716 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:10,080 Speaker 1: of what's been shared around is this giant head of 717 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,520 Speaker 1: his with his mouth open. That that's the one that 718 00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:17,920 Speaker 1: references visually references a famous painting of you know, people 719 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:22,000 Speaker 1: being brought into the gates of Hell. So here I'll 720 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:23,640 Speaker 1: read a little bit from that article. They say it 721 00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:25,600 Speaker 1: Afterworld this year, the thirty year old performed on a 722 00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,480 Speaker 1: stage style like the Gates of Hell, while revelers entered 723 00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,440 Speaker 1: the gig through a large sculpture of his mouth, which 724 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,360 Speaker 1: has been likened to the famous christ in Limbo painting 725 00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:38,040 Speaker 1: by Hronomous Bosh, which depicts the mouth of Hell. Many 726 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,640 Speaker 1: people also pointed out that the slogan for the festival 727 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:42,640 Speaker 1: will see you on the other side, which is not 728 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,680 Speaker 1: age twelve due to the deaths that occurred. So this 729 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,800 Speaker 1: is the conspiracy that is spreading, either that Travis Scott 730 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:54,799 Speaker 1: is a literal demon or that this was an intentional 731 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:59,279 Speaker 1: blood sacrifice to get him into the Illuminati occult. And 732 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:03,319 Speaker 1: I had heard Illuminati conspiracy that long time. That's what's 733 00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,920 Speaker 1: happening online. This is some two thousand and six level stuff. 734 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,480 Speaker 1: So I got to congract people. You know, it's been 735 00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,239 Speaker 1: been a very long time since I heard a good 736 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,080 Speaker 1: Illuminati one. I think, you know, we'll end it this way, 737 00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,200 Speaker 1: you know, fun aside. At the end of the day, 738 00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,600 Speaker 1: people died. And look, just let's put this video on 739 00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,319 Speaker 1: the screen. You can see. I mean, this is what 740 00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,760 Speaker 1: it was like. Yeah. Look, and for those who are listening, 741 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:26,000 Speaker 1: these people are packed right up against a barricade. They 742 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,080 Speaker 1: can they can't move. They're sandwich together. They literally had 743 00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:33,480 Speaker 1: their limbs stip sticking out just to try and have 744 00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,839 Speaker 1: some space. You can see others, one guy, you know, 745 00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,399 Speaker 1: up on top of somebody else on the platform. I mean, 746 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,919 Speaker 1: it just looks like real hell on Earth. And so look, 747 00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,400 Speaker 1: fourteen year old, sixteen year old boy died. You know, 748 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,160 Speaker 1: ages from fourteen to twenty seven. These are young people. 749 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:51,440 Speaker 1: They probably thought that they were going to one of 750 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,680 Speaker 1: the best nights of their life. Travis Scott is a 751 00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,400 Speaker 1: hero and very very popular amongst a lot of teenage 752 00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,920 Speaker 1: boys across the country, and some of them met their 753 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,200 Speaker 1: end and was he culpable in that. You know, there's 754 00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:04,040 Speaker 1: gonna be there should be a long investigation and you know, 755 00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:07,040 Speaker 1: all these Kardashians and them, they want to save face, 756 00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,760 Speaker 1: you know, even though they were completely safe deleting their stories, 757 00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,520 Speaker 1: you know, putting out their pr statements. But people can see, 758 00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,000 Speaker 1: people can see the truth about how he really felt 759 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,279 Speaker 1: about the fans whenever it really mattered. And you know, 760 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,360 Speaker 1: I think that you always have a responsibility to the 761 00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,680 Speaker 1: people who follow you when you're in a position like this. Yeah, 762 00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,680 Speaker 1: I think that is very well said. It was not 763 00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:28,480 Speaker 1: all fun and games. Ultimately people literally died, and our 764 00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:32,560 Speaker 1: heart breaks for those families who lost their babies in 765 00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,600 Speaker 1: this tragedy. All Right, I don't know how to make 766 00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:37,920 Speaker 1: the turn, But the Pete documentary is coming out, so 767 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,680 Speaker 1: let's talk about that long anticipated I know you guys 768 00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,680 Speaker 1: have had your calendar marked four months for when the 769 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,759 Speaker 1: Pete Buddhajee documentary was gonna come out. Politico had a 770 00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:54,279 Speaker 1: little sneak peek at it, and there were some interesting details. Effectively, 771 00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,080 Speaker 1: what this article argues, once go ahead and throw the 772 00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,760 Speaker 1: tear sheet up on the screen. It says the headline 773 00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:03,680 Speaker 1: is He's coming across like the effing tin man up there, 774 00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:08,920 Speaker 1: which is a quote attributed to Liz Smith. His whatever 775 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:14,240 Speaker 1: you think of Pete, very effective operator who ran his campaign, 776 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:18,600 Speaker 1: and she was coaching him here. That quote comes from 777 00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,880 Speaker 1: when there were questions and he was expecting received questions 778 00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,880 Speaker 1: about racial tensions and the death of black man in 779 00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:29,680 Speaker 1: particular while he was mayor, and she's saying, like, you 780 00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,239 Speaker 1: need to stop acting like a robot because you're coming 781 00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:36,080 Speaker 1: across like the tin man up there. But the documentary, 782 00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:39,120 Speaker 1: the tension in it effectively comes from the fact that 783 00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:43,239 Speaker 1: the documentarian can't really get anything out of Pete, Like 784 00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,040 Speaker 1: there's a whole question with these type of politicians like him, 785 00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:50,240 Speaker 1: of is there more than meets the eye, Like because 786 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:58,839 Speaker 1: he has this very polished and impersonal and distant public persona. Yes, 787 00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,160 Speaker 1: so when he is at home, when he's with Chasten, 788 00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,279 Speaker 1: when he's traveling with his aids, like, what's he really like? 789 00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:10,000 Speaker 1: And basically the answer is there is nothing else, Like 790 00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:14,440 Speaker 1: this is what he's really like. There were no effectively, 791 00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:19,080 Speaker 1: I shouldn't say no, but very few unguarded moments. Everything 792 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:23,480 Speaker 1: in every way is he's always on. He's always presenting 793 00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:28,560 Speaker 1: the public persona to the point that his husband, Chastin, 794 00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:33,400 Speaker 1: gets kind of frustrated, Yeah with him in the documentary. Yeah, 795 00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:39,640 Speaker 1: So at the beginning of this piece, the documentarian Jesse 796 00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:43,200 Speaker 1: Moss is talking to Chasten and he's saying, you know, 797 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:47,160 Speaker 1: what do you think that I should ask Pete? And 798 00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:51,120 Speaker 1: Chastin says, he did everything to climb every ladder without 799 00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:54,600 Speaker 1: being his authentic self. You spent so much of your 800 00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,359 Speaker 1: life hiding who you really were. Did you feel like 801 00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,319 Speaker 1: you were able to be your true self on the 802 00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:01,920 Speaker 1: campaign trip? Well, and the documentarian says, well, do you 803 00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,600 Speaker 1: think he's ready to answer that question? Can he answer that? 804 00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,200 Speaker 1: And Chasen says he should, you can try and that 805 00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,120 Speaker 1: Pete walks into the room and Chasten turns to him 806 00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:14,360 Speaker 1: and says, don't bullshit us, Peter. So there's clearly this 807 00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:16,480 Speaker 1: is like kind of the tension, and most of what, 808 00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:20,719 Speaker 1: according to this reading of it comes through in the 809 00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:25,640 Speaker 1: documentary comes via Chasten. There's some also, just like kind 810 00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:31,960 Speaker 1: of heartbreaking moments. Chasten is watching the it's the Iowa 811 00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:36,240 Speaker 1: Coccus Knights. Chasn is watching the results and he sees 812 00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:41,120 Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders up on stage with his family and with 813 00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:44,839 Speaker 1: his wife Jane, and Chasten says, are you really going 814 00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,880 Speaker 1: to be the only candidate who doesn't have your spouse 815 00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:51,279 Speaker 1: on stage with them, and Pete just doesn't answer. So 816 00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:56,120 Speaker 1: there's some moments like that. There's another one that I found, yeah, 817 00:43:56,280 --> 00:44:01,600 Speaker 1: that I found really interesting, where Chastin is is the 818 00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,360 Speaker 1: one who's kind of pushing up against the boundaries. They say, 819 00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:10,440 Speaker 1: of what the campaign of this highly produced, polished, impersonal campaign. 820 00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:14,520 Speaker 1: And he wants to start telling audiences that he and 821 00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:18,040 Speaker 1: Pete are having trouble having kids, and he says it's 822 00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,240 Speaker 1: something very real and it's felt by a lot of people. 823 00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,399 Speaker 1: Staffer tells him it's a bit too intimate to bring 824 00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:26,600 Speaker 1: up publicly, the too briefly debate the question before the 825 00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,839 Speaker 1: staffer says, if you want to make it part of 826 00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:36,200 Speaker 1: the narrative, we can have that conversation. So that's how scripted, 827 00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:42,480 Speaker 1: and you know, tightly controlled and fabricated. Let's just say 828 00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:46,200 Speaker 1: the entire image and campaign ultimately was. So I thought 829 00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,680 Speaker 1: it was pretty interesting read. Yeah, I feel terrible for Chasten. 830 00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:50,600 Speaker 1: I said it here before on the show. I forget 831 00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,040 Speaker 1: what segment we did about him exactly, but you know, 832 00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,520 Speaker 1: the poor guy, I mean, he's stuck here in a 833 00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,440 Speaker 1: den of wolves, and yeah, because It was a Washington Post, 834 00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,200 Speaker 1: I think style piece about him, and he was talking 835 00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,920 Speaker 1: about how he was invited to a casual get together, 836 00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:05,880 Speaker 1: so he thought it would actually be casual. And he 837 00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:07,440 Speaker 1: showed up and everyone was in a suit and I 838 00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,480 Speaker 1: was like, oh, welcome to Washington. Yeah, that's a classic. 839 00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:12,200 Speaker 1: That was what I got out of this too. It 840 00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:15,799 Speaker 1: was like, Oh, I actually feel really good. He's just 841 00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,520 Speaker 1: this normal dude. He wants to like live and you know, 842 00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:20,960 Speaker 1: be in love with his husband and talk about normal stuff. 843 00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:22,960 Speaker 1: And then you know, his husband's trying to become president 844 00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,759 Speaker 1: of the United States, and like you could see very 845 00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,960 Speaker 1: clearly that Buddha Jedge's willing to sacrifice there. You know, 846 00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:32,920 Speaker 1: anything which he saw is detrimental or opening up on something, 847 00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:36,120 Speaker 1: or you know, maybe even too calculator or not calculated enough. 848 00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:39,400 Speaker 1: I mean, describing your difficulty having children as part of 849 00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,440 Speaker 1: the narrative is as dark as it gets. But that 850 00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,120 Speaker 1: is a good look because this isn't just about me, 851 00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:46,920 Speaker 1: mayor pee. This is how they all are. This is 852 00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:51,640 Speaker 1: really a deep insight into like how gross and slimy 853 00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:55,920 Speaker 1: and ultimately inhuman that you really have to be if 854 00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,359 Speaker 1: you want to make it in today's climate. I mean, 855 00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:01,640 Speaker 1: that's it. Like then, a lot of the quote unquote authenticity, 856 00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,279 Speaker 1: it's all fake. It is fake. It's like, we're going 857 00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,840 Speaker 1: to give you a sense of authenticity because that polls 858 00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,720 Speaker 1: well today, and that's what really comes through. There's another 859 00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:15,360 Speaker 1: great Liz Smith quote here where he's talking about his 860 00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:19,040 Speaker 1: again practicing I think for a debate and talks about 861 00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:21,719 Speaker 1: his experiences as a gay man, and she tells him 862 00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,920 Speaker 1: it's like he's reading an effing shopping list. You're not 863 00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,520 Speaker 1: like efing an anthropologist here. This is like a thing 864 00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:32,319 Speaker 1: that you feel, she says, as if literally reminding him 865 00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:37,200 Speaker 1: that this is supposed to be a personal emotional moment, 866 00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,359 Speaker 1: and she's having to coach him that, like, you're not 867 00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,280 Speaker 1: just reading a shopping list. You're supposed to actually feel 868 00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:45,360 Speaker 1: things in this moment. So yeah, you know, it's funny. 869 00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:47,319 Speaker 1: I think it may be more interested to actually watch 870 00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,200 Speaker 1: this documentary. I know now I'm going to watch it. 871 00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,840 Speaker 1: The very last monologue that I did on Rising was 872 00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,840 Speaker 1: actually about this, and I remember because it had gotten 873 00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,279 Speaker 1: picked up by Amazon, and what it was happening is 874 00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:01,000 Speaker 1: at Amazon Music or Amazon Prime was effectively giving buddhaj 875 00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,680 Speaker 1: edge you know, all these millions of dollars in free advertising, 876 00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:05,760 Speaker 1: and I thought it was going to be some aoc 877 00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:09,480 Speaker 1: like bringing down the house, you know, hey, geography or whatever. 878 00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:13,239 Speaker 1: But actually it looks like this. Whoever this documentarian is 879 00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:17,040 Speaker 1: got at a little bit of what Pete actually is. 880 00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,680 Speaker 1: And see you have to think too that with Pete, 881 00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,640 Speaker 1: where he probably thought that he could fool the camera right, 882 00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:25,440 Speaker 1: like he thought, I'm so polished, I could fool them 883 00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:27,759 Speaker 1: with my fake authenticity and more. But you know, if 884 00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:29,719 Speaker 1: you spend that much time with someone in such you know, 885 00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,200 Speaker 1: such an environment like this, and then you have your husband, 886 00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,040 Speaker 1: you know, being one of these characters trying to push 887 00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:37,319 Speaker 1: you in that direction, like getting at that tension, that 888 00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:40,279 Speaker 1: silence whenever he doesn't answer, He said, are you really 889 00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:41,759 Speaker 1: going to be the only guy up there without your 890 00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,600 Speaker 1: spouse on the stage. I mean, that is brutal in 891 00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:46,920 Speaker 1: terms of what it really says about you and how 892 00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,760 Speaker 1: much you want something else versus your own life. That 893 00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,840 Speaker 1: that's really sad. Yeah, yeah, that was that was what 894 00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,239 Speaker 1: I came away with as well. All right, we got 895 00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:57,239 Speaker 1: one other thing we want to tell you about before 896 00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:00,239 Speaker 1: we get you our monologues. Here. Let's go ahead and 897 00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:04,120 Speaker 1: throw this announcement up on the screen. So Barry Weiss 898 00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:07,840 Speaker 1: and another number of other sort of like minded individuals 899 00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:11,760 Speaker 1: are starting a university. Let's put the announcement up there. 900 00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:15,840 Speaker 1: It's called University of Austin, not to be confused with 901 00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:20,960 Speaker 1: University of Texas at Austin. This is the announcement. It's 902 00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:25,680 Speaker 1: posted on Barry's substack, but it isn't actually written by Barry. 903 00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:29,279 Speaker 1: The headline says, we can't wait for universities to fix themselves, 904 00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:32,600 Speaker 1: so we're starting a new one. You can imagine some 905 00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,080 Speaker 1: of what is in here, given you know the nature 906 00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,839 Speaker 1: of this sort of Whether they call themselves intellectual dark 907 00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:39,839 Speaker 1: web or not anymore, I don't know, but that sort 908 00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:44,080 Speaker 1: of type of ideology and thought, they say on our quads, 909 00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:47,320 Speaker 1: faculty are being treated like thought criminals. They reference story 910 00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:49,799 Speaker 1: in Abbott, who is involved with this project. By the way, 911 00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:52,840 Speaker 1: University of Chicago scientists, who is objected to aspects of 912 00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:56,600 Speaker 1: affirmative action, was recently disinvited from delivering a prominent public 913 00:48:56,719 --> 00:49:01,600 Speaker 1: lecture on planetary climate at MIT. They check another professor, 914 00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:05,160 Speaker 1: Peter Bughassian. I think you say, Philosophy's professor at Portland 915 00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:08,239 Speaker 1: State University finally quit in September after years of harassment 916 00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:12,360 Speaker 1: by faculty administrators. Kathleen Strock, a professor at University of Sussex, 917 00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:15,680 Speaker 1: just resigned after mobs threatened her over her research on 918 00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:17,960 Speaker 1: sex and gender. So here are a few of the 919 00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:23,520 Speaker 1: relevant facts about this fledgling university, which you know a 920 00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:25,560 Speaker 1: lot of. It is the way they phrase it U 921 00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:29,000 Speaker 1: we're very committed to free thought and we're anti spensorship, 922 00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:32,239 Speaker 1: free speech university. That's a good way to ultimately put 923 00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:35,640 Speaker 1: it in terms of their framing. So at this point 924 00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,719 Speaker 1: they are planning on having a physical campus, but they 925 00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:43,760 Speaker 1: haven't identified a specific space. It will be in Austin 926 00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:47,640 Speaker 1: as the plan. It's not accredited yet. Yep, that's going 927 00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,080 Speaker 1: to be a tough thing. I can talk about that later, yeah, 928 00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:53,560 Speaker 1: I mean that typically takes years, up to seven years 929 00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:57,520 Speaker 1: if you are successful in achieving accreditation. So because they're 930 00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:59,919 Speaker 1: not a credit of course, they're not offering any degrees yet. 931 00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:04,680 Speaker 1: The first thing they're planning to offer is something called 932 00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:09,279 Speaker 1: a summer program for college students called Forbidden Courses. It 933 00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:12,520 Speaker 1: invites top students from other universities to join them for 934 00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:15,759 Speaker 1: a spirited discussion about the most provocative questions that often 935 00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:19,759 Speaker 1: lead to censorship or self censorship in many universities. So 936 00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:22,680 Speaker 1: that's kind of the top line of this thing. Yeah, 937 00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:26,040 Speaker 1: so here's what I would say. First of all, is 938 00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:29,160 Speaker 1: the easiest thing in the world to stand outside and 939 00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:32,840 Speaker 1: be a critic of, you know, people who are trying 940 00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:37,960 Speaker 1: to build a new institution. That being said, one of 941 00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:41,200 Speaker 1: the people that's involved here is Larry Summers, Big Red Flag, 942 00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:44,400 Speaker 1: one of the wrongest and most destructive men in America. 943 00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,640 Speaker 1: By my accounting, I don't want to pass judgment on 944 00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:49,440 Speaker 1: everybody who is involved here because frankly, I don't know 945 00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:50,920 Speaker 1: some of the people that are involved in what their 946 00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:54,800 Speaker 1: ideology ultimately is. But as Glenn Greenwald pointed out online, 947 00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:56,799 Speaker 1: you have an issue with at least some of them 948 00:50:57,120 --> 00:51:02,359 Speaker 1: who have engaged in censorship and cancelation of people who 949 00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:05,840 Speaker 1: would be critics, specifically on the issue of Israel, Barry 950 00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:10,160 Speaker 1: being one of those people. So my big issue with 951 00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:13,759 Speaker 1: the kind of ideological conceit of this is that you 952 00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:17,880 Speaker 1: seem to have a group of people who only recognize 953 00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:21,000 Speaker 1: the problem of cancel culture as it applies to the 954 00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:25,160 Speaker 1: right coming from the left, when in reality, as we 955 00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:29,360 Speaker 1: track here, things like the BDS laws, things like in Texas, 956 00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:33,080 Speaker 1: they're like literally banning books right now, State of Texas. Yeah, 957 00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:35,799 Speaker 1: BDS law in the state of Texas. You've got a 958 00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,319 Speaker 1: whole thing with like CRT and banning books in the 959 00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:41,479 Speaker 1: state of Texas. They certainly don't name check Abby Martin, 960 00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:45,000 Speaker 1: who won a lawsuit against a BDS law. So the 961 00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:48,600 Speaker 1: reality with the problem of censorship and cancel culture is 962 00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:52,480 Speaker 1: that it is not confined to one ideology or another, 963 00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,239 Speaker 1: which is why it is such a problem. In fact, 964 00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:58,000 Speaker 1: what I would say is that the right has a 965 00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:02,400 Speaker 1: longer history of being more interested in this type of censorship. 966 00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:04,560 Speaker 1: You can think of like you know, moral panics over 967 00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:08,080 Speaker 1: video games and certain books and certain music and all 968 00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:11,360 Speaker 1: those sorts of things. The left is now moving some 969 00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:12,960 Speaker 1: parts of the left. I don't want to paint too 970 00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:16,640 Speaker 1: broad a brush into that same sort of mentality where 971 00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:21,360 Speaker 1: they have previously been more committed to actually anti censorship 972 00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:25,080 Speaker 1: free speech principles. But to pretend like the problem is 973 00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:28,560 Speaker 1: only coming from the left, I think means that you 974 00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:31,560 Speaker 1: were not going to be serious about actually fixing the problem, 975 00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:36,480 Speaker 1: and you're more interested in your ideological brethren having control 976 00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:39,640 Speaker 1: of the particular form of censorship than you are actually 977 00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,040 Speaker 1: committed to free speech. Yeah, so that's my big issue. Yeah, 978 00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:43,719 Speaker 1: it's going to be interesting. I don't know. I look, 979 00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:45,759 Speaker 1: I account many friends who are there on the board 980 00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:49,360 Speaker 1: of advisors. Now, Ferguson I deeply respect. Actually he's somebody 981 00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:52,359 Speaker 1: who's involved in the project. Let's put his op ad 982 00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:54,759 Speaker 1: there up on the screen and I would say, if 983 00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:58,400 Speaker 1: there's any particular red flag for me, it's that the 984 00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:03,600 Speaker 1: initial stuff that they're offering, which is that school right now, 985 00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:06,399 Speaker 1: the summer of forbidden courses Nile talks about the next 986 00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:09,719 Speaker 1: year will be a one year master's program in entrepreneurship 987 00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:12,359 Speaker 1: and leadership, and eventually, after all these are set up, 988 00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:14,520 Speaker 1: there'll be a four year arts college degree. You know, 989 00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:17,319 Speaker 1: my dad had worked in the accreditation sphere, you know, 990 00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:19,920 Speaker 1: head crediting other universities. This is not this is a 991 00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:23,480 Speaker 1: real thing, right in terms of actually getting accreditation to 992 00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:26,000 Speaker 1: become a four year college degree, even in the liberal 993 00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:28,279 Speaker 1: arts thing. I mean, you have to have the professors 994 00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:30,160 Speaker 1: and all that. So look, if you're really trying to 995 00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:34,520 Speaker 1: escape it, I just don't know. I think the I 996 00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:38,279 Speaker 1: think that the initiative is so Titanic, and it is 997 00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:42,040 Speaker 1: so difficult. And while I applaud it, and also even 998 00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:44,279 Speaker 1: with the baked in caveats and that you are giving, 999 00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:46,640 Speaker 1: which I think are very very relevant and very true, 1000 00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:50,160 Speaker 1: that I don't know if free speech university really is 1001 00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:53,040 Speaker 1: the right way to orient yourself around it. I've always 1002 00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,920 Speaker 1: thought that whenever you try to, you know, point to 1003 00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,880 Speaker 1: something like this in a cultural flashpoint and then build 1004 00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:01,759 Speaker 1: something around that is not that as useful as just 1005 00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:04,759 Speaker 1: like building and doing something to the contrary. And if 1006 00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,680 Speaker 1: you're not going to have STEM, because STEM really is 1007 00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,239 Speaker 1: where this stuff matters the most. I mean, if you 1008 00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:12,680 Speaker 1: were to ask me about critical race theory, yeah, am 1009 00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:16,080 Speaker 1: I annoyed like English majors or being taught critical race theory? Yes, 1010 00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:19,160 Speaker 1: like where am I annoyed most? Whenever? Oh, I don't know, 1011 00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:23,359 Speaker 1: whenever we're talking about vaccine distribution and people in genetics. 1012 00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:26,640 Speaker 1: You know, geneticists are saying we shouldn't vaccinate older people 1013 00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,800 Speaker 1: because they're too white or like disproportionately white. This was 1014 00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:32,680 Speaker 1: a real discussion if you want to remember back in January, 1015 00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:36,200 Speaker 1: that's where I'm like, okay, this is shut it all down, 1016 00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:39,319 Speaker 1: like right now, So I would point to actually the 1017 00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:43,600 Speaker 1: hard sciences, engineering and more, where it's actually most important 1018 00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:46,560 Speaker 1: to have a environment which is devoid a lot of 1019 00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:48,920 Speaker 1: this nonsense, because those are the people who are if 1020 00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:50,200 Speaker 1: you know, if you're going to build something with a 1021 00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:53,120 Speaker 1: baked in kind of a baked in you know, woke 1022 00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:56,640 Speaker 1: ideology or whatever, it can have the most destructive effects. 1023 00:54:56,640 --> 00:55:00,000 Speaker 1: And really it's just that it's a very difficult project. 1024 00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:03,200 Speaker 1: Number one, I don't really know if lack of free 1025 00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:07,360 Speaker 1: speech or censorship is the biggest problem in the university 1026 00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:10,040 Speaker 1: of today, right, and so like that's the other problem, 1027 00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:13,200 Speaker 1: which is that what if we're just talking about class 1028 00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:16,120 Speaker 1: and what if And once again I believe that a 1029 00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:19,920 Speaker 1: ruling elite in America is probably inevitability, even if it 1030 00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,920 Speaker 1: shouldn't be, and that these people are just portioning up 1031 00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:25,359 Speaker 1: with the university. So it does matter what's being taught 1032 00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:27,960 Speaker 1: there and more. But if you really want to focus 1033 00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:30,920 Speaker 1: on the core and you know, of like where a 1034 00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:34,080 Speaker 1: lot of the if the disregard and stuff happens, I 1035 00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:36,319 Speaker 1: don't know if it's a censorship thing. I think it's 1036 00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:39,840 Speaker 1: a class thing more than anything. I mean, just for example, 1037 00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:44,279 Speaker 1: past in American Society nineteen forty only five percent of 1038 00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:48,400 Speaker 1: the American population went to college. These people were aristocratic, 1039 00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:52,359 Speaker 1: elite Bush family think like George HW. Bush. But they 1040 00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:56,120 Speaker 1: had a very strong awareness of who they were of, 1041 00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:59,120 Speaker 1: like where they were in the pecking order, and they 1042 00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:02,319 Speaker 1: had very you know, very very different ideas around what 1043 00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:04,440 Speaker 1: it meant in order to be at the top and 1044 00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:06,600 Speaker 1: did we really earn it? And you know, they would 1045 00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:08,319 Speaker 1: go through all these convoluted things to try and you know, 1046 00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:10,840 Speaker 1: at least promote the veneer of service. I mean, today 1047 00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:14,480 Speaker 1: we have an elite, a meritocratically that believes they got 1048 00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:17,560 Speaker 1: there through meritocracy. But it's fake, right, they got through 1049 00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:20,360 Speaker 1: the same class system that has always governed right, the 1050 00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:23,040 Speaker 1: higher exchelants. So I just don't think that this is 1051 00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:25,239 Speaker 1: this gets to the core of what it is. Not 1052 00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:27,680 Speaker 1: to say, I don't even believe that's health censorship, lack 1053 00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:29,800 Speaker 1: of free speech or whatever on college isn't a problem, 1054 00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:32,120 Speaker 1: But I think it's more indicative of a much bigger 1055 00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:34,920 Speaker 1: problem on a societal wide level. I applaud the project. 1056 00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:36,879 Speaker 1: I hope it works. I honestly do. I think part 1057 00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:39,680 Speaker 1: of why, I mean, this was roundly mocked online. Let's 1058 00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:43,240 Speaker 1: be real, I think part of why, too, is because 1059 00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:46,920 Speaker 1: the language they used was so grandiose. Yeah, it was 1060 00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:50,200 Speaker 1: like we are the cavalry, you know. I mean, it 1061 00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:54,400 Speaker 1: just was so over the top, like this one unaccredited 1062 00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:58,120 Speaker 1: university that's not even ready to offer a summer program 1063 00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:01,759 Speaker 1: was going to save the country. And so I think 1064 00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:03,600 Speaker 1: that's another thing I would say, which is they should 1065 00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:06,080 Speaker 1: have gotten the land, they should have had the accreditation 1066 00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:09,200 Speaker 1: process ready. Yeah, because they made it and they had 1067 00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:10,960 Speaker 1: all this language of like, we know we're going to 1068 00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:13,239 Speaker 1: be criticized, which I always hate when people do this, 1069 00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:16,440 Speaker 1: like preemptive, like people are going to criticize us, and 1070 00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:19,320 Speaker 1: that just means we're right. Thing too, it's like, just 1071 00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:21,560 Speaker 1: do your thing and put it out there. And again, 1072 00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,880 Speaker 1: it's scary. It's hard to build something new, and so 1073 00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:26,720 Speaker 1: I don't want to be too much of a hater, 1074 00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:31,600 Speaker 1: but it seems very set up to overpromise and wildly 1075 00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:35,040 Speaker 1: under deliver, especially since what they are promising here is 1076 00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:40,360 Speaker 1: nothing less than like the deliverance of America, the saving 1077 00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:44,680 Speaker 1: of the world. You know, start with a more modest promise, 1078 00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:49,240 Speaker 1: have some more facts on the ground and rather than 1079 00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:52,760 Speaker 1: you know, being so preachy about it and oh, we know, 1080 00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:54,560 Speaker 1: we're people are going to hate us, and et cetera, 1081 00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:57,360 Speaker 1: et cetera. Just do your thing and see what happens 1082 00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:00,280 Speaker 1: and see how people gravitate towards it, and it rate 1083 00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:04,200 Speaker 1: on that rather than setting yourself up for this over 1084 00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:06,400 Speaker 1: promising and underdelivering. And then the other part of this 1085 00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:10,320 Speaker 1: that I feel is there's a conceit here that this 1086 00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:13,680 Speaker 1: is not an ideological project, that this is just about 1087 00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:17,280 Speaker 1: the truth, and it's very clearly an ideological project. And 1088 00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:20,000 Speaker 1: it bothers me, not just in this sphere, but you know, 1089 00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:21,919 Speaker 1: we talk about this with regards to the media too. 1090 00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:25,160 Speaker 1: It bothers me when people present themselves as just neutral 1091 00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:29,120 Speaker 1: arbiters when they clearly have an agenda. And I think 1092 00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:31,920 Speaker 1: that's something we try to be upfront about here, Like 1093 00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:34,560 Speaker 1: you guys know what our ideologies are and what we 1094 00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:36,920 Speaker 1: believe in the lens we view the world. I think 1095 00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:40,200 Speaker 1: it's much better to be upfront about those things than 1096 00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:42,120 Speaker 1: to end up like Mike Lindell, who's like, I'm going 1097 00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:45,040 Speaker 1: to have a free speech platform, no cursing, no pornography, 1098 00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:47,840 Speaker 1: no taking the Lord's name in vain. It's like, no, 1099 00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:51,920 Speaker 1: you want a platform where you control what speech is 1100 00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:54,600 Speaker 1: okay and what speech is not. This has some of 1101 00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:59,720 Speaker 1: it's a sort of higher level, more grandiose version to 1102 00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:02,600 Speaker 1: me of the Mike Lindell's free speech Plus I hope 1103 00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:06,240 Speaker 1: it doesn't go that way. We'll see, all right, zicher, 1104 00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:09,000 Speaker 1: What are you looking at? Well, first food, then gas. 1105 00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:11,560 Speaker 1: Today we are going to spotlight another area of an 1106 00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:14,640 Speaker 1: everyday American life that is crushing the working class. That 1107 00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:17,800 Speaker 1: is the inability of the Biden administration to allay people's 1108 00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:21,360 Speaker 1: deep concerns and as deep as they can, to ensure 1109 00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:25,680 Speaker 1: that people understand just how much globalization and ineptitude at 1110 00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:28,960 Speaker 1: the highest echelons of American society have set us up 1111 00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:31,720 Speaker 1: for failure in the long run. Now you might have noticed, 1112 00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:34,800 Speaker 1: but it is getting colder outside. Perhaps you yourself have 1113 00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:38,160 Speaker 1: reached for that heating button. Soon the bill is coming, 1114 00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:41,200 Speaker 1: and I have terrible news for you. In effective tax 1115 00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:44,040 Speaker 1: upon all Americans is coming in the form of your 1116 00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:47,240 Speaker 1: heating bill this year. The results could spell disaster for 1117 00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:50,520 Speaker 1: the average household income. My friend talm and Joseph Smith 1118 00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:52,920 Speaker 1: over the New York Times. He wrote an excellent piece 1119 00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:56,120 Speaker 1: fore warning that Americans heating bills are about to contribute 1120 00:59:56,120 --> 01:00:00,160 Speaker 1: to inflation in a massive way. Approximately fifty percent of 1121 01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:03,920 Speaker 1: all US households use natural gas to heat their homes. Now, 1122 01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:07,720 Speaker 1: the US government now estimates that the average Americans natural 1123 01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:11,280 Speaker 1: gas heating bill, again for half of all households, is 1124 01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:16,000 Speaker 1: about to go up by thirty percent in actual dollar terms. 1125 01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:20,520 Speaker 1: That is a disaster. The average American household who uses 1126 01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:24,080 Speaker 1: natural gas is about to spend seven hundred and forty 1127 01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:27,160 Speaker 1: six dollars on heating this winter, a full one hundred 1128 01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:29,800 Speaker 1: and seventy two dollars per household more than they did 1129 01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:32,920 Speaker 1: last winter in twenty twenty. That is the most expensive 1130 01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:36,600 Speaker 1: natural gas market since two thousand and five, at the 1131 01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:40,560 Speaker 1: height of the war in Iraq. That is just average Americans. 1132 01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:43,840 Speaker 1: Rural Americans are also in for it because they rely 1133 01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:48,520 Speaker 1: largely upon heating oil and propane in more remote areas, 1134 01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:53,640 Speaker 1: which disproportionately impacts the Northeast and the northern plains. Connecticut's 1135 01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:57,960 Speaker 1: governor is warning residents that residential heating oil consumers can 1136 01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:02,200 Speaker 1: expect a forty percent increase in heating their homes from 1137 01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:06,600 Speaker 1: last year alone in price. Or what about propain? That's 1138 01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:10,800 Speaker 1: another story that's just as bad. Propain prices have actually 1139 01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:14,440 Speaker 1: doubled since last year. The markets are preparing for quote 1140 01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:19,160 Speaker 1: armageddon heading into the winter months. Propain is a signature 1141 01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:23,880 Speaker 1: heating source for six million American households, and residential propane 1142 01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:26,640 Speaker 1: is currently up by fifty percent over the last year 1143 01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:29,440 Speaker 1: in price demand. The biggest problem is that we had 1144 01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:32,360 Speaker 1: a pretty big stockpile of propane. But if you've been 1145 01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:34,440 Speaker 1: out to eat over the last year, you've probably seen 1146 01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:37,160 Speaker 1: it gets used at restaurants in a lot of other places. 1147 01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:40,280 Speaker 1: Right now, that has depleted our stockpile and it's going 1148 01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:43,000 Speaker 1: to rack up prices for rural Americans. And right now, 1149 01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:46,320 Speaker 1: the Energy Department estimates rural Americans who heat their house 1150 01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:49,880 Speaker 1: with propane will spend one hundred percent more than last 1151 01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:52,680 Speaker 1: year if it's a colder winter. The best case is 1152 01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:55,560 Speaker 1: twenty nine percent more if it's a warmer winter. The 1153 01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:58,760 Speaker 1: only energy consumer right now who is seeing the most 1154 01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:01,520 Speaker 1: modest increase in price is those who heat their homes 1155 01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:06,240 Speaker 1: with electricity, where the high end estimate is only fifteen percent. 1156 01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:10,600 Speaker 1: In other words, this is a total and complete disaster. 1157 01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:13,120 Speaker 1: We are steering down the barrel of a full scale 1158 01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:16,600 Speaker 1: crisis this winter. The Energy Department is literally telling us 1159 01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:19,520 Speaker 1: that the average consumer is going to pay a minimum 1160 01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:23,120 Speaker 1: of thirty percent more. And yet where the hell is 1161 01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:26,600 Speaker 1: the administration. I played for you all yesterday that horrific 1162 01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:31,320 Speaker 1: clip of Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholme cackling and laughing off 1163 01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:34,160 Speaker 1: of higher gas prices. But this is who is in 1164 01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:37,120 Speaker 1: charge right now. The president right now is nowhere to 1165 01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:40,040 Speaker 1: be seen. People are seriously about to run into a 1166 01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:44,520 Speaker 1: brick wall with their household finances exploding. Massive increase in 1167 01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:47,920 Speaker 1: the price of gas, massive increase in groceries, now a 1168 01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:51,320 Speaker 1: big increase in heating bills. As I called for yesterday, 1169 01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:55,160 Speaker 1: Joe Biden needs to tap the Strategic Petroleum Reserve. Now, 1170 01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:58,640 Speaker 1: this is a full blown crisis. Yet when Biden was 1171 01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:02,160 Speaker 1: asked about it this weekend, he was totally noncommittal. Enough, 1172 01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:05,920 Speaker 1: tap it, that's what it's there for. Second, Biden should 1173 01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:09,400 Speaker 1: tap the Northeast Home heating oil reserve. That would provide 1174 01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:13,200 Speaker 1: relief for rural Americans. One percent increase in the price 1175 01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:16,640 Speaker 1: of heating your home is simply not tenable. Six million 1176 01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:19,680 Speaker 1: households who are poor should not pay the price, and 1177 01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:23,720 Speaker 1: we have reserves for exactly this reason. Heating oil is 1178 01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:26,080 Speaker 1: a matter of life or death for some people, and 1179 01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:30,000 Speaker 1: we cannot screw around here. But third, and finally, we 1180 01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:34,840 Speaker 1: need to stop exporting our natural gas. Now. Natural gas 1181 01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:37,600 Speaker 1: exports to the rest of the world are up seventy 1182 01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:40,680 Speaker 1: one percent since the start of the pandemic, with record 1183 01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:45,120 Speaker 1: demand from Mexico, Canada, Europe, and Asia. I and several 1184 01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:49,280 Speaker 1: senators are now telling Biden, hey, screw that American gas 1185 01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:52,000 Speaker 1: is for Americans. First, we should get our fill at 1186 01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:54,960 Speaker 1: a preferential price. Then the rest of the world can 1187 01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:57,920 Speaker 1: bid on what we have left. It is crazy that 1188 01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:00,960 Speaker 1: Americans would have to pay higher price because of a 1189 01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:05,720 Speaker 1: foreign demand for a product produced on their soil. Natural gas, 1190 01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:08,160 Speaker 1: as I mentioned at the top, is the number one 1191 01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:12,480 Speaker 1: heating source for American households at fifty percent. Any percent 1192 01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:15,880 Speaker 1: relief in price for those households would mean hundreds of 1193 01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:19,720 Speaker 1: billions of dollars less spent on utilities, more able to 1194 01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:22,720 Speaker 1: spend on the economy. But more importantly, it would mean 1195 01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:25,800 Speaker 1: lives saved. When heating bills are high, people don't want 1196 01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:28,400 Speaker 1: to pay and they don't turn on the heat, and 1197 01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:31,320 Speaker 1: every year some senior freezes to death at home, or 1198 01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:33,920 Speaker 1: people with sick kids can't afford it, and the temperature 1199 01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:36,640 Speaker 1: just makes it all worse, and we cannot allow that 1200 01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:38,800 Speaker 1: to happen. All three of the measures that are laid 1201 01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:41,720 Speaker 1: out here can be done tomorrow at the discretion of 1202 01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:44,480 Speaker 1: the President of the United States. We don't need Congress. 1203 01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:46,840 Speaker 1: All he has to do is use his pen. We 1204 01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:49,800 Speaker 1: need to pressure Biden on this now to actually wake 1205 01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:51,920 Speaker 1: the hell up and act, or we are in for 1206 01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:55,440 Speaker 1: a real bloodbath this winter. Governments are built for times 1207 01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:57,840 Speaker 1: like this, and we need the president who is actually 1208 01:04:57,920 --> 01:04:59,959 Speaker 1: going to do something about it. This was a follow 1209 01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:02,120 Speaker 1: up to what I did yesterday on gas prices, Crystal, 1210 01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:04,080 Speaker 1: but I you know, we were talking and I was like, 1211 01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:10,400 Speaker 1: I can't all right, Crystal, what are you taking? A 1212 01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:13,520 Speaker 1: look at the total Democratic party collapse in Virginia, New 1213 01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:17,920 Speaker 1: Jersey and nationally has sure led to some takes. MSNBC 1214 01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:21,160 Speaker 1: in particular seemed to go into full meltdown bad, reaching 1215 01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:25,280 Speaker 1: for a familiar villain, the corrupt politicians. Nah, the failure 1216 01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:29,400 Speaker 1: of Democrats deliver on even basic campaign promises, not so much. 1217 01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:32,080 Speaker 1: Maybe the fact that Terry mccalliff didn't run on any 1218 01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:35,320 Speaker 1: single damn thing other than Trump is bad. Of course, not. 1219 01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:39,280 Speaker 1: The problem was the Democratic Party's old nemesis, the voters, 1220 01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:42,480 Speaker 1: those battled voters who just won't do what they're supposed 1221 01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:45,280 Speaker 1: to do and show up every single election of vote Democrat, 1222 01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:47,960 Speaker 1: regardless of how pathetic and apt or sold out the 1223 01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:51,480 Speaker 1: party proofs themselves to be. What of all the bad takes, 1224 01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:55,120 Speaker 1: there was one that really went above and beyond. Just 1225 01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:58,440 Speaker 1: take a listen. What the Democrats theory of the case 1226 01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:03,280 Speaker 1: is is that the white, non college educated voter cares 1227 01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:07,240 Speaker 1: about things like kitchen table issues like infrastructure and pipes 1228 01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:09,520 Speaker 1: and how many gallons of milk you can put on 1229 01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:13,040 Speaker 1: the table. I contend that what they care about is 1230 01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:16,640 Speaker 1: using their guns on black people and getting away with it. 1231 01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:19,760 Speaker 1: That's what they want, That's what they actually are in 1232 01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:24,680 Speaker 1: it for. Wow, where do I even begin with this one? 1233 01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:26,880 Speaker 1: First of all, let's just start with the fact that 1234 01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:30,320 Speaker 1: the idea that Democrats have leaned into kitchen table issues, 1235 01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:34,240 Speaker 1: or delivered on kitchen table issues is actually hilarious. What 1236 01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:36,960 Speaker 1: they've really done is when the presidency on a decent 1237 01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:39,960 Speaker 1: agenda and then slowly, week by week, shot the most 1238 01:06:40,040 --> 01:06:43,920 Speaker 1: popular provisions in the head very publicly. So I don't 1239 01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:46,840 Speaker 1: know what the Democrats. Theory of the case is, but 1240 01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:51,400 Speaker 1: lord knows it's not delivering on kitchen table issues. But obviously, 1241 01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:54,840 Speaker 1: the really disturbing part here is how Ali mustal just 1242 01:06:55,080 --> 01:06:59,920 Speaker 1: casually smears an entire demographic group as racist killers who 1243 01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:04,960 Speaker 1: wos main political consideration is being able to shoot black people? This, 1244 01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:09,000 Speaker 1: somehow manages to be both blatantly racist and blatantly classist 1245 01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:12,360 Speaker 1: all at the same time. Yeah, the college educated whites, 1246 01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:14,840 Speaker 1: they have enough learning to vote the correct way, but 1247 01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:17,920 Speaker 1: those poor whites don't know anything except guns. In the KKK, 1248 01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:21,560 Speaker 1: you are essentializing an entire group of people down to 1249 01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:24,600 Speaker 1: the sum total of their race and their education status. 1250 01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:27,560 Speaker 1: And in the process you're also completely letting the Democratic 1251 01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:30,520 Speaker 1: Party off the hook once again. The Democratic Party can 1252 01:07:30,520 --> 01:07:34,960 Speaker 1: never fail, only be failed by the deplorable public insinuating 1253 01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:37,680 Speaker 1: that there is something uniquely evil or bad about a 1254 01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:41,680 Speaker 1: particular segment of the population. So let's talk about the 1255 01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:45,800 Speaker 1: white working class again. Look, there is no denying race 1256 01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:49,400 Speaker 1: is a potent force in American politics, no doubt about it. 1257 01:07:49,640 --> 01:07:53,120 Speaker 1: There is certainly also no denying that elites weaponize race 1258 01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:56,080 Speaker 1: to divide the working class and maintain power for themselves. 1259 01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:59,160 Speaker 1: Clinton Bundler Terry mcculliff, I'm sure knows a thing or 1260 01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:02,240 Speaker 1: two about those to politics, but the last thing a 1261 01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:04,800 Speaker 1: leftist or progressive should want to do is to play 1262 01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:07,560 Speaker 1: into that game. There's also no denying that class and 1263 01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:10,360 Speaker 1: race are linked together, leaving those whites who are struggling 1264 01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:14,480 Speaker 1: more vulnerable to racist and xenophobic messaging. But the shockingly 1265 01:08:14,560 --> 01:08:18,160 Speaker 1: horrible view that all working class whites care about is 1266 01:08:18,200 --> 01:08:22,160 Speaker 1: shooting black people is not only wildly offensive, but it 1267 01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:25,840 Speaker 1: is wildly unsupported by data. First of all, the fact 1268 01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:28,599 Speaker 1: that Republicans keep winning larger and larger shares of Latino 1269 01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:31,960 Speaker 1: voters is an uncomfortable fact for the all Republican votes 1270 01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:35,000 Speaker 1: are really just votes for white supremacy narrative. The existence 1271 01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:37,559 Speaker 1: of a significant number of Obama Trump voters also a 1272 01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:41,160 Speaker 1: rather inconvenient fact for that narrative. But look at this. 1273 01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:44,200 Speaker 1: I'm also old enough to remember the summer of twenty twenty, 1274 01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:47,200 Speaker 1: when some seventy four percent of Americans voice their support 1275 01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:51,360 Speaker 1: for racial justice protests, including sixty five percent of white, 1276 01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:55,559 Speaker 1: non college educated voters. You might recall those protests were 1277 01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:58,639 Speaker 1: ignited by the murder of a black man that would 1278 01:08:58,720 --> 01:09:00,519 Speaker 1: seem to fly in the face of the theory that 1279 01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:04,320 Speaker 1: latent pro shooting black people sentiment is what's really driving 1280 01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:07,559 Speaker 1: voters to the polls. Looking at this specific election, we've 1281 01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:10,559 Speaker 1: got a real time experiment. We can look to Virginia 1282 01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:13,559 Speaker 1: and New Jersey. They both had elections. Now. In Virginia, 1283 01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:16,360 Speaker 1: the GOP did lean a lot more into white graevance 1284 01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:19,680 Speaker 1: politics by making critical race theory into a campaign issue. 1285 01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:22,880 Speaker 1: In New Jersey, critical race theory didn't really figure as 1286 01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:27,519 Speaker 1: a significant campaign issue. However, New Jersey actually saw a 1287 01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:32,120 Speaker 1: larger shift to Republicans than Virginia did, indicating, if anything, 1288 01:09:32,320 --> 01:09:35,200 Speaker 1: that the GOP's focus on critical race theory may actually 1289 01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:37,600 Speaker 1: have been somewhat of a turn off. After all, the 1290 01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:40,599 Speaker 1: number one issue for voters was still the economy, and 1291 01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:44,280 Speaker 1: those white moms who did say education was their biggest issue, 1292 01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:46,760 Speaker 1: they seemed when he asked them to care a lot 1293 01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:49,960 Speaker 1: more about closed schools and recovering from virtual learning than 1294 01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:54,200 Speaker 1: about CRT. The school closures were really hard for a 1295 01:09:54,280 --> 01:09:57,360 Speaker 1: lot of kids, and one of my kids in particular, 1296 01:09:57,439 --> 01:10:01,879 Speaker 1: really suffered when schools were closed. It affected my family dynamic, 1297 01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:05,439 Speaker 1: it affected my social circles, it affected every part of me. 1298 01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:08,880 Speaker 1: That the kids couldn't go to school, and so I 1299 01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:10,599 Speaker 1: had to figure out what can I do to make 1300 01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:13,040 Speaker 1: sure that that never happens again? And you feel like 1301 01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:15,840 Speaker 1: even right now and not enough is being done to 1302 01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:18,599 Speaker 1: address their learning loss, and you have that as a crisis. 1303 01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:21,519 Speaker 1: We think that our citygens, our kids are in crisis. 1304 01:10:21,560 --> 01:10:24,519 Speaker 1: The learning loss is real. So we're in a situation 1305 01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:27,519 Speaker 1: where our kids are really far behind and they need 1306 01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:30,400 Speaker 1: a lot of help, they need a lot of additional tutoring, 1307 01:10:30,479 --> 01:10:32,800 Speaker 1: they need a lot of additional time after school to 1308 01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:35,800 Speaker 1: help catch them up, and they're still not focusing on that. 1309 01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:38,880 Speaker 1: How much should that factor in you? For you? The 1310 01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:42,599 Speaker 1: CRT debate and everything, definitely the education the learning loss 1311 01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:45,559 Speaker 1: was number one for me. Everything else was below that. 1312 01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:48,840 Speaker 1: Mandates and CRT did not influence my decision at all. 1313 01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:51,680 Speaker 1: How about for you? So I'm drekay, No, mine was 1314 01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:55,760 Speaker 1: all about the school closures. Voters didn't suddenly shift to 1315 01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:59,439 Speaker 1: Republicans because they randomly became more racist. In fact, you 1316 01:10:59,439 --> 01:11:02,719 Speaker 1: could easily predicted these very results just knowing Biden's approval 1317 01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:05,360 Speaker 1: rating historical president and the fact that something like seventy 1318 01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:07,360 Speaker 1: percent of Americans now say the country is on the 1319 01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:10,760 Speaker 1: wrong track. But I will say this type of judgmental 1320 01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:14,000 Speaker 1: and condescending attitude coming from Democrats and their allies will 1321 01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:16,880 Speaker 1: definitely turn off a whole lot of voters, as it should. 1322 01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:19,600 Speaker 1: Who wants to be essentialized down to nothing but the 1323 01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:22,519 Speaker 1: sum total of their identity told who you are and 1324 01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:25,200 Speaker 1: what you're about based on your race, your geography, or 1325 01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:27,920 Speaker 1: your education status. And we shouldn't pretend this was an 1326 01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:31,080 Speaker 1: isolated issue either, because while CRT in Virginia schools, it 1327 01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:34,320 Speaker 1: was mostly a manufactured moral panic over nothing and likely 1328 01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:37,280 Speaker 1: not at all determinative in the Virginia elections ultimately, either, 1329 01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:40,960 Speaker 1: it is certainly true that a destructive, so woke its 1330 01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:45,599 Speaker 1: racist ideology is gaining traction among an influential academic left. 1331 01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:48,200 Speaker 1: Eric Levitz has a good piece out on this. He 1332 01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:50,880 Speaker 1: points to a trend of so called equity consultants that 1333 01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:54,240 Speaker 1: can traffic in overly simplified and just straight up racist 1334 01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:58,320 Speaker 1: notions about white people versus quote color groups. One influential 1335 01:11:58,360 --> 01:12:01,320 Speaker 1: consultant in this world team and she believes, for example, 1336 01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:05,760 Speaker 1: that quote objectivity, a sense of urgency, and thinking in 1337 01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:08,840 Speaker 1: binaries like good or bad and right or wrong are 1338 01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:13,719 Speaker 1: defining characteristics of white supremacy culture. She therefore advises progressive 1339 01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:18,200 Speaker 1: organizations to rid themselves of those quote damaging tendencies of 1340 01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:21,000 Speaker 1: this type of thinking. Levitz goes on to write, quote 1341 01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:26,320 Speaker 1: positing fundamental cultural distinctions between people with different pigmentations, not 1342 01:12:26,439 --> 01:12:30,720 Speaker 1: different class, regional, national, religious backgrounds, but merely different concentrations 1343 01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:33,800 Speaker 1: of melanin is a task better left to white supremacists 1344 01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:38,080 Speaker 1: than to equity coaches. Here here, democrats trying to understand 1345 01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:39,599 Speaker 1: what the hell have aen to their standing with rural 1346 01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:42,439 Speaker 1: America and the white working class should start by looking 1347 01:12:42,479 --> 01:12:45,200 Speaker 1: in the mirror. The white working class didn't get worse. 1348 01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:49,599 Speaker 1: Democratic elites high on big money got worse. And that 1349 01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:55,080 Speaker 1: is one generalization I am perfectly comfortable making Solder. I 1350 01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:59,000 Speaker 1: was freestone by these comments, just to blanket in entire 1351 01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:04,439 Speaker 1: so guys. Authorities have indicted and arrested Igor dan Chenko. 1352 01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:07,200 Speaker 1: He was, as it turns down, one of the main 1353 01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:12,680 Speaker 1: sources for the now infamous Steele Dossier. Many implications here 1354 01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:16,200 Speaker 1: for Russiagate. More importantly, this is also an indictment of 1355 01:13:16,280 --> 01:13:19,120 Speaker 1: the media. Britten large join us now to talk about 1356 01:13:19,160 --> 01:13:22,479 Speaker 1: the implications and get into all of that is Glenn Greenwald. 1357 01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:24,600 Speaker 1: He is a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist. You can of 1358 01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:27,160 Speaker 1: course find him on his sub stack and over on 1359 01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:29,960 Speaker 1: Rumble and many other places as well. Great to see Glenn. Good. 1360 01:13:30,439 --> 01:13:32,679 Speaker 1: Good to do with you guys. All right, just break 1361 01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:36,800 Speaker 1: down these developments and why they're significant. So this is 1362 01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:39,040 Speaker 1: an investigation that grew out of the appointment of a 1363 01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:43,960 Speaker 1: special counsel, John Durham, by William Barr and is now 1364 01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:48,639 Speaker 1: being supervised by Merrick Garland. So any indictments that Jeream 1365 01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:53,720 Speaker 1: issues are necessarily approved by Biden's Attorney General, and the 1366 01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:57,439 Speaker 1: investigation is seeking to determine whether there was criminality not 1367 01:13:57,680 --> 01:14:00,559 Speaker 1: in the Russiagate scandal itself, but in the origins of 1368 01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:04,639 Speaker 1: how that scandal was concocted and disseminated. This is now 1369 01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:09,479 Speaker 1: the third indictment essentially that Durham is obtained. The first 1370 01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:12,920 Speaker 1: was in January when he obtained it guilty plea by 1371 01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:17,200 Speaker 1: an FBI lawyer admitting that they lied to the Pisa 1372 01:14:17,280 --> 01:14:21,519 Speaker 1: Court in order to obtain surveillance against Carter Page, the 1373 01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:25,719 Speaker 1: former associate of the Trump campaign. So they spied basically 1374 01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:29,680 Speaker 1: illegally by lying to the court on an associated the 1375 01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:33,040 Speaker 1: Trump campaign. The second was a month ago when they 1376 01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:37,679 Speaker 1: indicted Hillary Clinton's lawyer for having lied about various aspects 1377 01:14:37,720 --> 01:14:40,000 Speaker 1: of his attempts to plant in the media, and he 1378 01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:43,160 Speaker 1: successfully did it a false story about his secret server 1379 01:14:43,240 --> 01:14:46,800 Speaker 1: between the Trump organization in Alpha Bank. And now this 1380 01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:50,880 Speaker 1: newest indictment shows the same pattern, which is that the 1381 01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:54,479 Speaker 1: Steele dossier we were told for four years was based 1382 01:14:54,520 --> 01:14:59,879 Speaker 1: on this very well connected British intelligence agent, this British 1383 01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:04,160 Speaker 1: who had very reliable sources deep in Russian intelligence, and 1384 01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:07,240 Speaker 1: as it turns out, he lied about that his actual 1385 01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:11,679 Speaker 1: sources were basically operatives in the world of Hillary Clinton 1386 01:15:11,720 --> 01:15:16,680 Speaker 1: who were passing along gossip and using all kinds of speculation. 1387 01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:19,880 Speaker 1: So this entire narrative that got constructed on the back 1388 01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:22,600 Speaker 1: of the Steele dossi is now being exposed as a 1389 01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:25,240 Speaker 1: gigantic sham. Yeah, and you know, one of the things 1390 01:15:25,240 --> 01:15:27,559 Speaker 1: that you've been pointing to there, Glenn, is not only 1391 01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:29,920 Speaker 1: the sham, but in terms of how much it shows 1392 01:15:30,360 --> 01:15:33,479 Speaker 1: what did the media and how much credence did they 1393 01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:36,960 Speaker 1: place within the Steele dossier to drive so much of 1394 01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:40,720 Speaker 1: the Russia Gate coverage over the last five years. So 1395 01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:44,400 Speaker 1: what's happening now, Sagar is there's pretty much nobody at 1396 01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:48,320 Speaker 1: this point who denies any longer that the Steele dossier 1397 01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:51,120 Speaker 1: is a fraud. Like you have Rachel Maddow trying to 1398 01:15:51,200 --> 01:15:54,559 Speaker 1: salvage the last tatters of her reputation and kind of 1399 01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:58,759 Speaker 1: internet crazies and that like weird, you know, obsessive Russigate 1400 01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:03,720 Speaker 1: world that's still lingers. But nobody really in media is 1401 01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:06,920 Speaker 1: trying to dispute any longer the obvious truth, which is 1402 01:16:06,920 --> 01:16:09,759 Speaker 1: that the Steele dossier was a fraud. What they're instead 1403 01:16:09,800 --> 01:16:12,320 Speaker 1: trying to do is kind of cut off the cancerous 1404 01:16:12,320 --> 01:16:15,439 Speaker 1: limb to protect the rest of the media organism by 1405 01:16:15,520 --> 01:16:20,080 Speaker 1: basically turning us Rachel Maddow into the Judy Miller of 1406 01:16:20,120 --> 01:16:22,599 Speaker 1: Russia Gate, saying, oh, she was way out there, so 1407 01:16:22,720 --> 01:16:25,080 Speaker 1: we can go ahead and scapegoat her and kind of 1408 01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:27,960 Speaker 1: cut her off and let her be. And then they're 1409 01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:31,120 Speaker 1: also trying to basically say, Okay, the Steele dossier was fraudulent, 1410 01:16:31,160 --> 01:16:33,639 Speaker 1: but that doesn't mean that those years of Russia Gate 1411 01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:36,800 Speaker 1: reporting we did was fraudulent, the ones we got pullitchers for. 1412 01:16:37,439 --> 01:16:39,200 Speaker 1: None of that they're trying to claim was based on 1413 01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:42,200 Speaker 1: the Steele dossier, so they're kind of salvage the rest 1414 01:16:42,240 --> 01:16:44,320 Speaker 1: of the work they did. The problem is is that 1415 01:16:44,360 --> 01:16:47,880 Speaker 1: the Steele dossier, as everyone knows, is what gave birth 1416 01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:51,719 Speaker 1: to the entire climate in which Robert Muller was appointed, 1417 01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:55,320 Speaker 1: in which all of these journalistic investigations proceeded, that gave 1418 01:16:55,400 --> 01:16:59,320 Speaker 1: credibility to this incredibly demented and as we know, false 1419 01:16:59,400 --> 01:17:03,439 Speaker 1: idea that the Kremlin had blackmail leverage over Donald Trump 1420 01:17:03,479 --> 01:17:06,719 Speaker 1: and was using it to infiltrate and control the levers 1421 01:17:06,760 --> 01:17:09,120 Speaker 1: of the United States and US power. That was the 1422 01:17:09,200 --> 01:17:12,720 Speaker 1: prevailing primary narrative for three or four years, that came 1423 01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:15,640 Speaker 1: from the mainstream part of the media, and that is 1424 01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:19,200 Speaker 1: what is being exposed, not just this one document, Glenn, 1425 01:17:19,200 --> 01:17:22,320 Speaker 1: so that we can learn from this whole experience. What 1426 01:17:22,360 --> 01:17:26,280 Speaker 1: were the red flags for you on Russiagate from the beginning, 1427 01:17:26,520 --> 01:17:29,080 Speaker 1: Because I'll admit it took me a while to get 1428 01:17:29,080 --> 01:17:32,799 Speaker 1: there to realize that this was all almost complete bullshit. 1429 01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:37,120 Speaker 1: But you know, you, outside of the people who were 1430 01:17:37,200 --> 01:17:42,120 Speaker 1: directly Trump aligned, you, Tayibi, Aaron Mante, Jimmy Door, Kyle Kolinsky, 1431 01:17:42,200 --> 01:17:46,559 Speaker 1: you guys saw this as potentially fraudulent from the very beginning, 1432 01:17:47,120 --> 01:17:49,200 Speaker 1: What were the red flags for you that made you 1433 01:17:49,240 --> 01:17:51,639 Speaker 1: think we need to really be skeptical of the claims 1434 01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:54,200 Speaker 1: that are being made here. Yeah. I think it's a 1435 01:17:54,240 --> 01:17:57,360 Speaker 1: great question and an important one because this is actually 1436 01:17:57,400 --> 01:18:00,360 Speaker 1: something that I've not really been able to fully I guess, 1437 01:18:00,400 --> 01:18:03,160 Speaker 1: can they or maybe even process there. I would say 1438 01:18:03,160 --> 01:18:08,600 Speaker 1: I would point to two primary components that caused me 1439 01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:11,120 Speaker 1: to be so skeptical from the beginning. The first is that, 1440 01:18:11,479 --> 01:18:16,160 Speaker 1: and maybe this is generational, but foundational to my worldview 1441 01:18:16,240 --> 01:18:19,920 Speaker 1: as a civil libertarian and just somebody who was steeped 1442 01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:22,639 Speaker 1: in the evils of the Cold War, was the McCarthy era, 1443 01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:25,559 Speaker 1: which is, you know, widely regarded as one of the 1444 01:18:25,560 --> 01:18:29,599 Speaker 1: worst civil liberties abuses in American history, if not the worst. 1445 01:18:29,680 --> 01:18:33,160 Speaker 1: And the theme, the defining theme of that was that 1446 01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:37,559 Speaker 1: the Kremlin had infiltrated American institutions, had all kinds of 1447 01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:42,719 Speaker 1: clandestine agents working on its behalf to undermine American national interest, 1448 01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:46,160 Speaker 1: and basically there were all these treasonists, you know, operatives 1449 01:18:46,240 --> 01:18:49,439 Speaker 1: running around the United States taking orders from the Russian 1450 01:18:49,479 --> 01:18:52,639 Speaker 1: government in order to undermine the United States. So when 1451 01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:55,920 Speaker 1: that theme emerged from first the Hillary Clinton campaign and 1452 01:18:55,920 --> 01:18:59,120 Speaker 1: then gradually her media allies, and it was identical to 1453 01:18:59,160 --> 01:19:02,960 Speaker 1: the McCarthy I script that was, you know, thrown into 1454 01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:06,599 Speaker 1: the trash bean six decades ago with such disgrace. I 1455 01:19:06,680 --> 01:19:11,600 Speaker 1: just had an instinctive repulsion to that claim that they 1456 01:19:11,640 --> 01:19:14,920 Speaker 1: were revitalizing, and I expected that the left wood too, 1457 01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:17,519 Speaker 1: and was very surprised to see that it didn't. The 1458 01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:21,800 Speaker 1: second aspect was there was just no evidence being presented 1459 01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:24,479 Speaker 1: for so long, first for the claim that it was 1460 01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:27,679 Speaker 1: Russia that did it, but then much more so for 1461 01:19:28,200 --> 01:19:31,479 Speaker 1: the claim the broader claim that the Trump organization or 1462 01:19:31,479 --> 01:19:35,120 Speaker 1: the Trump campaign participated in things like the hacking of 1463 01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:37,879 Speaker 1: the DNC and Podesta emails. They were just the kinds 1464 01:19:37,880 --> 01:19:41,960 Speaker 1: of leaks from the CIA, from the FBI, from the 1465 01:19:42,040 --> 01:19:46,960 Speaker 1: NSA that comme anonymously that anyone with any foundational journalistic 1466 01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:52,360 Speaker 1: ethos should instantly regard as suspicious absent evidence being presented. 1467 01:19:52,360 --> 01:19:54,360 Speaker 1: And for a very long time that was all we 1468 01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:58,000 Speaker 1: were getting, were anonymous leaks that were evidence free coming 1469 01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:02,240 Speaker 1: from the security state. But you really hammered home to me, Glenn. 1470 01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:04,680 Speaker 1: Following you over the years was the fusion of the 1471 01:20:04,760 --> 01:20:07,880 Speaker 1: national security state and the media to a regard where 1472 01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:10,160 Speaker 1: if you're horrified by what happened in the Iraq War. 1473 01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:13,720 Speaker 1: This is ten times worse and you can't undo the 1474 01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:16,280 Speaker 1: damage there. It's something that you have been pointing to. 1475 01:20:16,479 --> 01:20:18,360 Speaker 1: What is going to be the fallout from this in 1476 01:20:18,439 --> 01:20:20,960 Speaker 1: terms of our ability to trust any story from the 1477 01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:24,080 Speaker 1: media which has any hint of an Intel connection. After 1478 01:20:24,120 --> 01:20:27,320 Speaker 1: we've seen what happened now with the Steele dossier, I 1479 01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:30,360 Speaker 1: guess I just don't understand why it took this. I mean, 1480 01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:33,800 Speaker 1: we all live, most of us did as adults through 1481 01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:37,040 Speaker 1: a very similar experience that should have already taught us 1482 01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:40,280 Speaker 1: that lesson, which was the lies that led to the 1483 01:20:40,320 --> 01:20:43,759 Speaker 1: invasion of Iraq. You know, it was not Fox News 1484 01:20:43,800 --> 01:20:47,960 Speaker 1: that convinced most liberals and Democrats like Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, 1485 01:20:48,040 --> 01:20:51,600 Speaker 1: John Kerry, et cetera, to support that invasion. It was 1486 01:20:51,640 --> 01:20:54,720 Speaker 1: the New York Times and NBC News and the mainstream 1487 01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:57,720 Speaker 1: the New Yorker and The Atlantic. And we ought to 1488 01:20:57,760 --> 01:20:59,760 Speaker 1: have learned that lesson, and the media outlets said that 1489 01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:03,800 Speaker 1: they did that we can no longer ever again accept 1490 01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:08,920 Speaker 1: assertions that emanate from this dark world of secrecy without 1491 01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:11,760 Speaker 1: a great deal of skepticism and evidence. They did meculpis 1492 01:21:11,800 --> 01:21:14,000 Speaker 1: about it. They promised never to let it happen again, 1493 01:21:14,080 --> 01:21:17,519 Speaker 1: and so to watch it happen less than fifteen years later, 1494 01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:21,600 Speaker 1: the exact kind of pattern was really startling to me. 1495 01:21:21,720 --> 01:21:24,720 Speaker 1: I really had, you know, come to be convinced that 1496 01:21:24,840 --> 01:21:26,920 Speaker 1: at least a lot of people had learned that lesson, 1497 01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:29,920 Speaker 1: if not the majority of people. But the problem is 1498 01:21:29,960 --> 01:21:32,880 Speaker 1: sager that and it's very similar to what happened in 1499 01:21:32,920 --> 01:21:35,400 Speaker 1: after nine to eleven. Is if you convince enough people 1500 01:21:36,040 --> 01:21:39,880 Speaker 1: that there everything that matters is endangered right the way. 1501 01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:42,360 Speaker 1: Obviously after nine eleven, a lot of people, including myself 1502 01:21:42,360 --> 01:21:45,120 Speaker 1: and other people were convinced was the case, you're willing 1503 01:21:45,160 --> 01:21:48,200 Speaker 1: to place your faith and authorities in exchange for being protected. 1504 01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:51,320 Speaker 1: And so many people believe that the Trump presidency or 1505 01:21:51,320 --> 01:21:54,599 Speaker 1: the Trump campaign posed that similar kind of existential threat 1506 01:21:54,920 --> 01:21:57,599 Speaker 1: that they just renounced their rational faculties and put faith 1507 01:21:57,640 --> 01:22:01,120 Speaker 1: in those same institutions because of that same psychological dynamic. 1508 01:22:01,479 --> 01:22:03,599 Speaker 1: And that's why I think it's so important to really 1509 01:22:03,640 --> 01:22:07,640 Speaker 1: hammer home how important it is that we resolve to 1510 01:22:07,680 --> 01:22:10,000 Speaker 1: avoid that. Yeah, it's so well said. I mean that 1511 01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:14,000 Speaker 1: fear is so incredibly potent, and it can be so 1512 01:22:14,160 --> 01:22:19,639 Speaker 1: extraordinarily dangerous. Remind me, Glenn, how much sort of media 1513 01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:23,200 Speaker 1: soul searching and accountability was there after the Iraq War debacle. 1514 01:22:23,439 --> 01:22:30,080 Speaker 1: And what have we seen so far in terms of apologies, corrections, 1515 01:22:30,280 --> 01:22:33,519 Speaker 1: anything of that sort from the media with regards to 1516 01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:37,280 Speaker 1: how they handled the Steele dossier. Yeah, I mean, in 1517 01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:39,720 Speaker 1: the case of the Iraq War, the falsehood was so 1518 01:22:39,840 --> 01:22:45,200 Speaker 1: glaring everyone realized and remembered that the primary argument for 1519 01:22:45,280 --> 01:22:49,120 Speaker 1: the invasion of Iraq was that there were a program 1520 01:22:49,160 --> 01:22:52,759 Speaker 1: that Sadom Hussein was developing nuclear and biological and chemical weapons, 1521 01:22:52,760 --> 01:22:56,519 Speaker 1: had obtained large components of that program, and probably already 1522 01:22:56,560 --> 01:22:59,479 Speaker 1: had an active weapons program in place. And even the 1523 01:22:59,560 --> 01:23:02,160 Speaker 1: US got was forced to admit quite shortly after the 1524 01:23:02,160 --> 01:23:04,760 Speaker 1: invasion that they found none of that, and so there 1525 01:23:04,800 --> 01:23:06,320 Speaker 1: was really no way out of it for the media. 1526 01:23:06,479 --> 01:23:08,920 Speaker 1: So in you know, two thousand and four, the New 1527 01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:13,120 Speaker 1: York Times publish an extraordinary editor's node listing the stories 1528 01:23:13,200 --> 01:23:19,679 Speaker 1: which they acknowledge contained insufficient journalistic skepticism, and other media 1529 01:23:19,680 --> 01:23:22,240 Speaker 1: outlets published a lot of articles kind of saying what 1530 01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:24,759 Speaker 1: we got what did we get wrong? Because back then 1531 01:23:25,400 --> 01:23:27,800 Speaker 1: there was not really this polarized media where you could 1532 01:23:27,800 --> 01:23:32,400 Speaker 1: evade such a gigantic, glaring araline like this. The problem 1533 01:23:32,479 --> 01:23:35,040 Speaker 1: now is that if you read the New York Times, 1534 01:23:35,080 --> 01:23:37,639 Speaker 1: if you read the Washington Post, watch CNN or NBC, 1535 01:23:37,800 --> 01:23:40,800 Speaker 1: it's overwhelmingly likely that you're a Democrat, and that means 1536 01:23:40,840 --> 01:23:43,320 Speaker 1: that you have of you of Donald Trump that I 1537 01:23:43,360 --> 01:23:45,600 Speaker 1: outlined earlier, that he's just graved the existential threat and 1538 01:23:45,640 --> 01:23:48,000 Speaker 1: everything should be done in order to stop him. It's 1539 01:23:48,040 --> 01:23:52,720 Speaker 1: almost like they don't have to provide any accountability because 1540 01:23:53,080 --> 01:23:56,960 Speaker 1: in part the ecosystem of information is so closed that 1541 01:23:57,080 --> 01:24:01,640 Speaker 1: people don't realize yet just how fraudulent this narrative was, 1542 01:24:01,720 --> 01:24:04,200 Speaker 1: so they kind of can prevent people from even realizing it. 1543 01:24:04,240 --> 01:24:06,760 Speaker 1: And on some level, even if they do realize it, 1544 01:24:07,120 --> 01:24:10,599 Speaker 1: their actual viewers, the audience that they care about, doesn't care. 1545 01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:14,799 Speaker 1: They actually think it's a positive thing if they endorsed 1546 01:24:14,840 --> 01:24:17,000 Speaker 1: the narrative, whether it was true or not, as long 1547 01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:19,400 Speaker 1: as the goal was as noble as stopping Trump. And 1548 01:24:19,400 --> 01:24:21,160 Speaker 1: that's why I don't think they have anywhere near the 1549 01:24:21,160 --> 01:24:24,320 Speaker 1: same pressures to acknowledge what they did. That's the danger, No, 1550 01:24:24,439 --> 01:24:27,920 Speaker 1: that is that is really well so depressing that poster 1551 01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:30,320 Speaker 1: rock what things have actually gotten worse in the media 1552 01:24:30,560 --> 01:24:33,280 Speaker 1: that actually, at least then they had to fess up 1553 01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:35,160 Speaker 1: that we got this all wrong. Now they feel like 1554 01:24:35,200 --> 01:24:37,400 Speaker 1: they can just move forward and never face any sort 1555 01:24:37,400 --> 01:24:39,919 Speaker 1: of reckoning for it. Glenn. Always great to have your perspective. 1556 01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:41,680 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Thank you, Glenn. Yeah, thank you 1557 01:24:41,680 --> 01:24:43,840 Speaker 1: guys for covering this. 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