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In addition to leading financial transaction valued at 0:02:36.320 --> 0:02:40.120 over a half billion dollars in radio station and related areas. 0:02:40.200 --> 0:02:44.520 His work has including business successes with radio news networks 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:48.280 like YouTube, Black Network, Raiders, Shared and Broadcasting Network, American 0:02:48.400 --> 0:02:52.760 Urban Network, executive radio programs like uh Tom, Join the 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:57.880 Morning Show, The Womany Williams Experience, The Steve Harvey Morning Show, 0:02:58.280 --> 0:03:01.359 formats like The Light, and a satellite channel of a 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:07.239 BT Uptown. He's an author, historian, speaker, and retired broadcasting. 0:03:07.560 --> 0:03:12.400 His latest book is Welling Captains of Color, America's First Meritocracy, 0:03:12.760 --> 0:03:15.960 which will be released on June fift and is available 0:03:16.000 --> 0:03:19.280 for pre order now. Please welcome the Money Making Conversation 0:03:19.560 --> 0:03:22.160 The King. I called him the King because he's the 0:03:22.200 --> 0:03:29.480 only reason I ever went up to Martha Veneyors Skip Finley, Man, 0:03:29.080 --> 0:03:31.720 I can't wait for you to come back. I know 0:03:31.800 --> 0:03:35.320 you won't. I'm gonna come back. Skip. Let's say, you know, 0:03:35.400 --> 0:03:38.560 there was two thousand five. Everybody two thousand five, you know, 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:42.160 Steve Harvey and I we was was attempting to UH 0:03:42.160 --> 0:03:46.240 put together a deal led by Skip UH to become 0:03:46.280 --> 0:03:49.240 a morning drive and possibly syndicate with Clear Channel. At 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:51.560 the time, we're gonna be a joint partnership in all this. 0:03:52.160 --> 0:03:54.680 And so Steve and I we went up to Martha's 0:03:54.760 --> 0:03:56.800 Veneon and it had to be the coldest day of 0:03:56.880 --> 0:04:00.320 the year in the summer. It was in the summer. 0:04:00.440 --> 0:04:04.560 Remember it was in the summer, and Martin, Oh my god, 0:04:04.640 --> 0:04:06.720 it was. It was. It was, it was. It didn't 0:04:06.720 --> 0:04:10.040 stop us from getting in business. And and that's that's important. 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:12.880 Way back then in two thousand five, when you know, 0:04:12.920 --> 0:04:15.480 Steve and I sat down with you guys, and you 0:04:15.520 --> 0:04:18.440 guys were looking at uh you know, the possibilities of 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:22.359 Union stations in South Carolina and stations in California. Of 0:04:22.360 --> 0:04:24.880 course w b L last the flagship in New York. 0:04:25.120 --> 0:04:27.920 What did you seeing uh me as a manager back 0:04:27.920 --> 0:04:31.919 then and Steve Harvey as a talent back then. Well, 0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:34.159 you know, I first one gets to the punch line 0:04:34.560 --> 0:04:38.479 to my knowledge to this day, that is the only 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:43.840 major media deal that was entirely conducted by black people. Absolutely, 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:46.720 we made all the decisions in that you know that 0:04:46.920 --> 0:04:49.960 short part of that week when we were up here. Um, 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:53.040 but it was uh. I was vice chairman the company, 0:04:53.080 --> 0:04:57.479 the President company, you know, Peppy Sutton and I and 0:04:57.600 --> 0:05:01.760 Charles Warfield the President company. You know there. Our chairman 0:05:01.839 --> 0:05:04.799 had the idea that there wasn't anything funny in black 0:05:04.920 --> 0:05:07.800 radio and that might be a key to success in 0:05:07.880 --> 0:05:13.200 Morning Drive. We certainly agree, you know, and got a 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:16.560 call of an interest from Rushawn. You know how we 0:05:16.680 --> 0:05:19.160 like to talk to see Harvey. Well, we went crazy, 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:22.159 We fell out, of course realistic. We knew we couldn't 0:05:22.160 --> 0:05:23.800 afford him, so it was up to me to figure 0:05:23.839 --> 0:05:28.520 out a way we could pay him. We couldn't do 0:05:28.520 --> 0:05:30.320 it right then I was head out on a vacation. 0:05:30.400 --> 0:05:32.839 They agreed to come up to Martha's vineyard. And the 0:05:32.839 --> 0:05:34.839 first funny story is my wife and I want to 0:05:34.839 --> 0:05:36.680 pick them up, the whole group, and for the airport. 0:05:36.800 --> 0:05:40.120 Ricky Anderson's attorney was with you, parents was with you. 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:45.360 We got to the airport and these good looking, overly 0:05:45.440 --> 0:05:49.800 well dressed brother come back to the terminal with these 0:05:49.839 --> 0:05:52.960 tailor three piece suits on the Martha's rade. Now I'm 0:05:53.000 --> 0:05:54.919 totally embarrassed because I'm there in a T shirt a 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:58.920 pair of short My wife is cute anyway, so it 0:05:58.920 --> 0:06:02.279 didn't matter what she had on. So she's driving a 0:06:02.279 --> 0:06:05.840 little town with a little convertible Mercedes and I'm driving, 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:10.280 you know, my big F one pickup troop. Well, then 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:13.520 the bags come out and they had these eye shaped bags. 0:06:13.520 --> 0:06:15.520 I'm like, you know what, what did he say? Well, 0:06:15.920 --> 0:06:19.480 those are had bags? Y'all knock at dad. Happened in 0:06:19.520 --> 0:06:22.200 all this and if you do it on bow away, 0:06:23.160 --> 0:06:28.800 well we can from there. Um, you know, eight men 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:31.240 sat down on the room and decided. You know, we 0:06:31.400 --> 0:06:35.120 generally liked and respected each other over the years. We've 0:06:35.120 --> 0:06:39.400 heard because you know, since you know success of the program, Um, 0:06:39.440 --> 0:06:42.080 you know, most comedians side they want to go and 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:46.760 do that too. What we knew Steve Harvey had already 0:06:46.839 --> 0:06:51.560 been a professional morning drive announcer in the two next 0:06:51.640 --> 0:06:54.359 largest markets in the country, Chicago and Los Angeles, for 0:06:54.440 --> 0:06:58.760 eight years, had all the experience doing the announcing, and 0:06:58.920 --> 0:07:00.960 just happened to be one of the funniest men on 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:04.159 the planet, right, And I think a lot of folks 0:07:04.160 --> 0:07:07.880 don't crush you too, have a history and stand upright, 0:07:09.120 --> 0:07:11.080 and we like to laugh. So being around a couple 0:07:11.080 --> 0:07:13.040 of brothers like you, guys who might to tell jokes, 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:17.400 was just amazing, you know, and help and help cementa deal. Well, 0:07:17.400 --> 0:07:19.240 you know, it was great. I always remember that that 0:07:19.240 --> 0:07:21.720 that number we put out in the pippy sudden he 0:07:21.720 --> 0:07:27.160 fell out and I said, wait, wait, wait, hear who 0:07:27.200 --> 0:07:31.520 we can do. And I said, said, Steve win, come 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:36.920 up with half the dog and with another property, we 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:39.320 can do this bonus thing. Well, I've got this idea 0:07:40.000 --> 0:07:42.320 on how to get stations to pay rights fees to 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:45.560 do this instead of just giving us advertising time to 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:49.040 go out and sell, which was the first time the 0:07:49.120 --> 0:07:52.560 model had ever been used. Absolutely absolutely, And I said, 0:07:52.600 --> 0:07:55.240 I happen to know two guys at two radio networks 0:07:55.640 --> 0:07:58.640 who would love to partner with us and distribute you know, 0:07:58.720 --> 0:08:00.880 the steal. Once we put it off together and it 0:08:01.000 --> 0:08:03.920 all started up there that and and by the way, 0:08:04.480 --> 0:08:08.640 you know, broadcast on the show from New York, where 0:08:08.640 --> 0:08:10.840 you're in the publishing center of the world, you're the 0:08:10.920 --> 0:08:13.200 television center of the world. You're in the fashion center 0:08:13.240 --> 0:08:16.800 of the world. Imagine Steve, what you can do just 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:19.760 being there. And you've got books, you've got movies, you've 0:08:19.800 --> 0:08:22.640 got fashion. You need to open a comedy club. And 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:25.360 at that time, you guys are into health food. Absolutely 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:27.600 except for you're trying to convince me. We have lunch 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:32.600 at Michael that day was health food. Absolutely, absolutely absolutely, 0:08:32.800 --> 0:08:35.079 because in the restaurant still talk about that. The man 0:08:35.120 --> 0:08:37.880 came over said, well, here's the desserts we like to 0:08:37.880 --> 0:08:43.400 have today. Rushawn says, remember all of them. Thank you. 0:08:43.840 --> 0:08:47.600 I'm not I'm not the grandma, all these tables, desserts. 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:52.839 I'm like, how does he stay so and tight eating 0:08:52.960 --> 0:08:56.200 like that? You know, I wanted people to understand that. 0:08:56.280 --> 0:08:59.079 You know, when you see me, you supicially when you 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:02.320 see Steve, he's a national star. Now you know that. 0:09:02.520 --> 0:09:04.880 That meeting, like you said, the African American man sitting 0:09:04.920 --> 0:09:08.280 in the room, negotiating, you know, and figuring it out, 0:09:08.440 --> 0:09:11.240 and and and then putting us on the station, a 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:15.160 flagship station, WBLS one of seven point five. That's still 0:09:15.240 --> 0:09:18.040 little numbers because that station right there, Man, we were 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:20.000 there for two years because that was part of the deal. 0:09:20.080 --> 0:09:22.160 We had to stay up there for two years and 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:25.920 established ourselves in the New York market before we moved 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:29.480 down to Atlanta, Georgia. And in doing so, it really 0:09:29.920 --> 0:09:32.480 it really played out to our advantage because of the 0:09:32.480 --> 0:09:35.240 fact that Wendy Williams was in the afternoon. So here's 0:09:35.240 --> 0:09:38.240 the station that has Steve Harve in the morning, Wendy 0:09:38.240 --> 0:09:42.280 Williams in the afternoon. Can you imagine what was walking 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:43.920 through those doors. It was just it was just an 0:09:43.960 --> 0:09:48.920 amazing amount of star power, amazing amount of energy, and 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:52.360 amazing amount of competition because an access and and the 0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:55.120 money was the money was beyond ridiculous. It was beyond 0:09:55.160 --> 0:09:58.280 all of our wildest dreams. But you know, I don't 0:09:58.280 --> 0:10:00.320 want people to think that was easy, because it was 0:10:00.440 --> 0:10:03.040 hard to get to that point. Absolutely, it was hard 0:10:03.080 --> 0:10:05.080 for the two of you to get to the pinnacle 0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:08.079 of career already before we got to sit down and talk. 0:10:08.880 --> 0:10:11.960 We feel the same Charlie, Peppi and I at that 0:10:12.040 --> 0:10:15.040 one time in history, we had between the three of 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:19.120 us more management experience than any other radio group in 0:10:19.120 --> 0:10:21.600 the entire country at the time. I think we're like 0:10:21.600 --> 0:10:25.680 the number one or twenty second largest one. Now the 0:10:25.720 --> 0:10:29.640 other part I think, you know important for folks, you know, 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:34.320 not to forget was it everybody showed up earlier or 0:10:34.360 --> 0:10:37.600 on time and did what they could do well. You know, 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:41.040 nobody ever looked over there showed everybody was straight ahead. 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:43.560 You know, you guys with you are with the best 0:10:43.559 --> 0:10:45.760 group of people I've ever worked with in my career, 0:10:46.080 --> 0:10:50.280 and I'm talking forty eight years. We know something when 0:10:50.280 --> 0:10:52.320 I look at uh one thing about it, you know, 0:10:52.320 --> 0:10:54.679 because back then he loved the fish. You know. He's 0:10:54.679 --> 0:11:00.440 always tells Steve to me what we're looking and fishing. 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:03.920 I don't think I'm gonna go fishing, I said, but 0:11:04.120 --> 0:11:06.040 but he was. So I'm just talking toone because I'm 0:11:06.040 --> 0:11:07.880 about to transition to the book. I'm just talking about 0:11:07.880 --> 0:11:10.320 a guy who all which for two thousand and five. 0:11:10.400 --> 0:11:12.400 Way back then, he was always talking, I'm going down 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:14.000 in the Bahamas, going down that fishing. You guys are 0:11:14.000 --> 0:11:15.880 gonna come with me, gonna fishing. He show us the 0:11:15.920 --> 0:11:18.000 pictures of the boat and then he shows the history 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:21.160 of all the other previous fishing trips, just to assure 0:11:21.240 --> 0:11:23.640 us that this is what he did. That don't when 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:25.400 you go out there, you go catch some fish and 0:11:25.400 --> 0:11:27.080 you're not gonna go out there with a novice. This 0:11:27.160 --> 0:11:29.720 was skipped. He laid it out so so so. Fishing 0:11:30.040 --> 0:11:32.800 and water it's always been part of his life. He 0:11:32.840 --> 0:11:35.880 looks like a fisherman. If you see him, you go, yeah, yeah, 0:11:35.920 --> 0:11:37.839 I can believe him. He could be he could have 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:39.800 been that captain and Jawls and he could have been 0:11:39.800 --> 0:11:41.480 that guy. He could have been he could have been 0:11:41.520 --> 0:11:44.199 that guy in Jawls and so so when I when 0:11:44.200 --> 0:11:47.280 I see this book, you know, you know it's about willing. 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:49.960 And we all know the important role at willing played 0:11:50.480 --> 0:11:52.880 in in our industry. And you and you and you, 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:56.200 and you've ridden a comprehensive account over fifty sailors of 0:11:56.280 --> 0:12:00.719 color who rose to captain Captain America's well ships. And 0:12:00.760 --> 0:12:03.880 I talked to us about because I would tell you something. 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:06.880 Everybody I've read this book. The detail and the amount 0:12:06.920 --> 0:12:10.360 of research that you've done on this book, Skip is 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:15.360 phenomenal as well as fascinating. Well well, well, thank you 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:19.600 all outsight. Louin wrapped that. But you know, being being blessed, 0:12:20.400 --> 0:12:22.840 you know, genetically, and being able to have a summer 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:25.480 home and growing up on Marthins Vineyard during the Summer's right. 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:27.480 Then it happens to be one of the three whaling 0:12:27.559 --> 0:12:31.400 centers of the whole wide world. Along the way when 0:12:31.440 --> 0:12:34.840 I decided I wanted to be a writer. After broadcasting UM, 0:12:34.880 --> 0:12:37.320 I was asked to write an article for Martha's Vineyard 0:12:37.320 --> 0:12:41.280 magazine about William A. Martin, who was what they thought 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:44.480 was the black captain here in Martha's Vineyard. Well, I 0:12:44.520 --> 0:12:48.000 started doing research. One thing led to another. One day 0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:49.839 I said, how the hell did this guy get to 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:55.920 be a captain? This isn't like well because I do 0:12:56.240 --> 0:12:58.200 I am a D H D S instead have a 0:12:58.200 --> 0:12:59.760 little bit of O C day one thing to do 0:12:59.840 --> 0:13:03.720 an other. Before I knew it, I bought and read 0:13:03.760 --> 0:13:05.560 over a hundred books on whale, and we're pretty much 0:13:05.600 --> 0:13:08.520 all the books are on whaling. Started taking notes and 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:11.520 the book came out of it UM and I was 0:13:11.559 --> 0:13:14.880 astounded to find these guys. And it's that the actual 0:13:14.960 --> 0:13:17.640 number is fifty two that I can confirm. There's another dozen. 0:13:18.040 --> 0:13:19.520 I'm not sure if they were black or I'm not 0:13:19.520 --> 0:13:21.200 sure if they were captain. Wasn't able to prove it 0:13:21.200 --> 0:13:25.120 because it's so long ago. But half these men we're 0:13:25.120 --> 0:13:30.400 whaling captains before the Civil War, you know. So this 0:13:30.480 --> 0:13:33.000 is a one of those hidden figures stories. And as 0:13:33.040 --> 0:13:35.440 I used that expression hidden figures, I probably should give 0:13:35.440 --> 0:13:38.720 a shout out to Mrs Johnson. Catherine Johnson, I understand, 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:41.040 died today the hundred years a hundred one years old. 0:13:42.040 --> 0:13:44.880 She was a lady in in the movie Hidden Figures 0:13:44.880 --> 0:13:49.520 about NASA and the Christine is the only one who's 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:56.360 still alive, right, huh played a role correct in the movie, right, 0:13:56.559 --> 0:14:01.520 I think so. But but but I remember seeing that 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:05.480 movie kind of driving away from it, and I was like, damn, 0:14:05.840 --> 0:14:09.000 that happened while we were live. We were how do 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:12.400 we not know that story? All right? And this is 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:14.920 the same story you know you're talking about. You know, 0:14:14.960 --> 0:14:18.120 these guys altogether brought back over seventy million dollars worth 0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:21.720 of whale products, you know, and will it wasn't about food. 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:24.040 It was about oil. This area than snack of the 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:27.520 Wood's rhyme was pretty much the Middle East, Nantucket, New 0:14:27.520 --> 0:14:30.000 befter months vineon. That was the oil. This is the 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:33.840 oil that lit our homes, that heated our homes, eventually 0:14:34.320 --> 0:14:38.480 lit our streets, and lubricated the American railroads and began 0:14:38.520 --> 0:14:42.320 the Industrial Revolution. And I've never heard a mention it, 0:14:42.960 --> 0:14:45.200 you know if these guys before So I was astounded. 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:47.200 And that's the sense of what the book is about, 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:52.760 you know. And it was it was such a difficult activity. 0:14:53.760 --> 0:14:56.400 About a hundred seventy five thousand people did it over 0:14:56.440 --> 0:14:58.880 the course of its life span two hundred forty some 0:14:59.080 --> 0:15:02.720 years ninety those people only went once because it was 0:15:02.760 --> 0:15:06.080 so difficult. Black guys didn't have any place else to go. 0:15:09.400 --> 0:15:10.760 Could I want to come back in the next break 0:15:10.760 --> 0:15:13.480 and get more detailed, because I want to know I 0:15:13.520 --> 0:15:16.760 would just tell everybody about this movie that this will 0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:21.880 tell everybody about this book, the detail, the research. Um, wow, 0:15:22.120 --> 0:15:24.000 that's all I have to say. Skip, family, be right 0:15:24.040 --> 0:15:26.800 back on money Making Conversations. We'll be right back with 0:15:26.880 --> 0:15:30.160 more from Marsa McDonald and money making conversations. Don't touch 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:34.400 that dog. 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The money 0:17:54.359 --> 0:17:59.440 Making Conversations continues online at www dot money Making Conversations 0:17:59.440 --> 0:18:01.840 dot com. Hi, this is Rushan McDonald. You're listening to 0:18:01.880 --> 0:18:05.080 Money Making Conversations. I'm interviewing Skip fentilely his new book, 0:18:05.119 --> 0:18:11.320 Willing Captains of Color, America's first merit occracy. Um, Skip 0:18:11.400 --> 0:18:14.040 tell us about we're talking about the research. What exactly 0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:16.399 as a Willie master, Let's talk about that? What exactly 0:18:16.440 --> 0:18:17.720 I want to I want to start breaking down the 0:18:17.800 --> 0:18:22.600 first the word master and captain are used interchangeably. Okay, master, 0:18:22.720 --> 0:18:26.359 really though it's a better word because that man in 0:18:26.480 --> 0:18:31.280 chargeable whale ship was omnipotive. Okay. You know when you're 0:18:31.320 --> 0:18:34.760 on a trip that average three to four years, and 0:18:34.840 --> 0:18:44.040 they were you couldn't have problems aboard ship, right said 0:18:44.359 --> 0:18:47.040 where we're gonna go, when we're gonna go? Talk to you? 0:18:46.960 --> 0:18:49.520 You're telling me that. Okay. Now, when a willing ship 0:18:49.560 --> 0:18:54.480 went out, it didn't just go out and come right back. No, no, no, no, 0:18:54.880 --> 0:18:57.879 They went out and sailed the world. There's a there's 0:18:57.960 --> 0:19:03.440 a beautiful, beautiful decoraate map in the new Bedford Whaling Museum, 0:19:03.440 --> 0:19:06.520 and it has an uncountable number of dots on it 0:19:06.680 --> 0:19:09.800 all over the world, red DUTs and blue dots, you know, 0:19:09.840 --> 0:19:12.040 standing for the type of whale, a regular whale, right, 0:19:12.040 --> 0:19:17.200 whales they call it, or sperm whale. You can't count them. Okay, 0:19:17.440 --> 0:19:20.280 you know these were the men's These whaling captains in 0:19:20.400 --> 0:19:24.280 chasing whales, literally mapped our oceans, has identified all of 0:19:24.320 --> 0:19:26.840 the islands and all of the oceans around the world. 0:19:27.680 --> 0:19:30.399 That's how long these trips took. The longest trip was 0:19:30.440 --> 0:19:34.560 a little over eleven years. Okay. You know as the 0:19:34.640 --> 0:19:37.480 captains changed several times, the crew same show times. But 0:19:37.560 --> 0:19:39.480 the boat from place it left it came back to 0:19:39.600 --> 0:19:45.600 eleven years. Okay, okay, you know all this, guy Roshan 0:19:45.760 --> 0:19:48.600 read the book. Now I'm hearing you talk very comfortably 0:19:48.640 --> 0:19:50.800 about this, but listeners are hearing this for the first time. 0:19:51.200 --> 0:19:54.560 So a boat left the dock, let's say New Effort 0:19:54.640 --> 0:19:58.080 of New Bedford. Okay, masters did not come back for 0:19:58.359 --> 0:20:03.959 almost eleven years. Yes, okay, well, okay, how did they 0:20:04.000 --> 0:20:06.199 get paid? When did they drop off the ar all? 0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:11.240 What was going on? All right? The boat would leave 0:20:12.000 --> 0:20:13.760 most of the time. They'd leave New Bedford up here 0:20:13.760 --> 0:20:16.440 in New England. They head over towards Cape Verdie, which 0:20:16.480 --> 0:20:19.280 is off the coast of Africa. Along the way they 0:20:19.280 --> 0:20:23.800 would hunt for whales. Once they found a whale, they 0:20:23.800 --> 0:20:26.960 would release. They would drop three or four smaller boats 0:20:27.520 --> 0:20:29.920 the men would roll out. Six men would row over 0:20:29.960 --> 0:20:33.200 to that whale. Okay, they got close enough. Holo, holo, holo. 0:20:33.960 --> 0:20:36.680 You got off a big boat, got in a little 0:20:36.680 --> 0:20:40.560 bit of boat and rowed to the big whale. That's right. 0:20:40.880 --> 0:20:43.080 And then the big boat wasn't that big. The big 0:20:43.080 --> 0:20:48.000 boat was liket long. Most of them that's not very big. 0:20:48.560 --> 0:20:54.000 That's about six cars lined up. Let Okay, so they 0:20:54.000 --> 0:20:56.200 get off the little bitty boat, get in these little 0:20:56.240 --> 0:21:00.560 row boats going up to your little road boats, and 0:21:00.560 --> 0:21:04.879 they're chase of animals that are a hundred feet you know. 0:21:05.000 --> 0:21:08.320 Or here here, here's here's a here's a football reference 0:21:08.400 --> 0:21:12.800 for you. Okay. The smallest whale a dwarf sperm whales 0:21:12.840 --> 0:21:16.719 about three forty pounds, about the size of a defensive tackle, 0:21:17.160 --> 0:21:20.320 right right, right, right right, three hundred thousand pound blue 0:21:20.320 --> 0:21:26.119 whale is about the size of the entire NFL. So 0:21:26.240 --> 0:21:28.679 these men would row a boat over to one of 0:21:28.680 --> 0:21:32.600 these huge animals, you know, eighty two a hundred pounds, 0:21:32.760 --> 0:21:36.480 that's probably about the size they were rolling to it 0:21:36.560 --> 0:21:40.480 and stab it and keep sticking it and stabbing it 0:21:40.920 --> 0:21:44.320 until it died. Meanwhile, let's pulling them all over. So 0:21:44.440 --> 0:21:46.680 they might wind up. By time the whale rolls over 0:21:46.680 --> 0:21:48.960 and died, there's four miles away from the big boat. 0:21:49.600 --> 0:21:52.119 Then they have to tow that whale back to the boat, 0:21:52.520 --> 0:21:55.560 cut up into little tiny pieces, put in the fireplaces, 0:21:55.600 --> 0:21:58.440 melted down the oil on board. They had the wood 0:21:58.440 --> 0:22:01.200 in the stage that put the pile holo holo, skip skip. 0:22:01.320 --> 0:22:07.720 Could everybody in the studio going what what what? Because 0:22:07.720 --> 0:22:10.560 see see you've done all this research that you've done, 0:22:10.560 --> 0:22:13.600 all this research. I'm trying to slow you down, older brother. See, 0:22:13.640 --> 0:22:16.480 we gotta we gotta take all this in that Okay whale. 0:22:16.480 --> 0:22:19.160 Because I went well watching Okay, and the world came 0:22:19.160 --> 0:22:22.040 close to my boat, I told everybody, turn around, I'm out. 0:22:22.240 --> 0:22:25.400 I didn't know it was gonna be like this. Look here, everybody, 0:22:25.440 --> 0:22:26.720 you know, because I was on there with some other 0:22:26.760 --> 0:22:29.159 tourist people. They were mad at me. I said, hey, hey, hey, 0:22:29.440 --> 0:22:32.280 y'all augustand but they didn't tell me that was this 0:22:32.320 --> 0:22:35.520 big on TV. They looked small, this little boat. I'm 0:22:35.560 --> 0:22:37.879