1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: From UFOs to ghosts and government cover ups. History is 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to now. Hello, 4 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. You. My name is Matt, 5 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 1: I met, my name is Ben. I'd like to introduce 6 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:26,119 Speaker 1: you to our super producer Noel Brown, who is on 7 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: the ones and two's with us today. And that makes 8 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:34,240 Speaker 1: this stuff they don't want you to know. Yes, absolutely, 9 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: and today we are talking about a subject that will 10 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 1: probably interest a lot of you know, we want to 11 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:45,239 Speaker 1: go ahead and say at the top that this this 12 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 1: topic deals with a lot of stuff that is US centric, Yes, 13 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: but we think you'll find there's a larger trend across 14 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: the globe. So even if you don't live in the 15 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: United States, we hope that you find this is fascinating 16 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: and possibly as frightening as we do. So I guess 17 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 1: let's just start out with some statistics. Well, yeah, let's 18 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:16,199 Speaker 1: start out with a statement. All right, we're pretty sure 19 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: that the US overall has a pretty serious drug problem, right, Yeah, 20 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 1: it's not to the point where the three of us 21 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 1: and all of you out there listeners could collectively hold 22 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: an intervention for the United States. Uh, so, don't don't 23 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: write those letters for that reality show yet. But it's true. 24 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: The US has a pretty serious drug problem. And this 25 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 1: drug problem is not crack. It's not cocaine, it's not marijuana, 26 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 1: it's not heroin, and well technically it's not alcohol. So 27 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: what is it. It's prescription drugs or medicine, right, yeah, 28 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: And we can't air quote hard enough on that one. 29 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: Check this out, ladies and gentlemen. The United States has 30 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: five percent of the world's population but consumes on seventy 31 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: five of prescription drugs. Yes, in two thousand and ten, 32 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: enough pain killers were prescribed to medicate every American adult 33 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:14,239 Speaker 1: every four hours for one month. Fifty two million people 34 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: in the United States over twelve years old have used 35 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 1: prescription drugs, not as medicine, but recreationally for funzies sometime 36 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 1: in their life. That's right. Every day in the States, 37 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:29,639 Speaker 1: about two thousand five teens abuse pain killers for the 38 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 1: first time. So that's the first time they've ever gone. 39 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: You know, I hear that this pain killer X is 40 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: really fun. Man, It's not just for pain, it's for 41 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: fun or and this something we'll talk about later. Uh, 42 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 1: if you are a teenager. You may find yourself in 43 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: a position where you and your buddies want to drink booze, 44 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: but it's much more difficult to buy alcohol, and you say, oh, well, 45 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 1: we'll find some pain killers or some tranquilizers, and you 46 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: know also that maybe some illegal drug like marijuana or something. 47 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 1: But it leads us to this, a grand total of 48 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 1: an estimated eight point seven six million prescription drug abusers 49 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: in the United States. And we're not talking about people 50 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: who have to be on prescription drugs for any reason 51 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:19,839 Speaker 1: and take them regularly. We're specifically talking about people who 52 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,799 Speaker 1: use them in a way that's not prescribed by a doctor. 53 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:27,679 Speaker 1: Now we're looking again, mostly at painkillers, we're looking at tranquilizers, 54 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 1: and then a little less we're looking at stimulants. And 55 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 1: here's an interesting thing. I'm sure that some of you 56 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: out there had your ears perk up when we said 57 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: eight point seven six million abusers, because the population of 58 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: the United States, in the hundreds of millions, makes that 59 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: seem like, as cold as it may sound, a relatively 60 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 1: small number. So consider this. Fatal overdose rates have more 61 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: than tripled since nineteen nine, and it's as we record 62 00:03:56,480 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: this that's right, and the CDC officially declared that prescription 63 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: drug abuse is an epidemic in the United States. So 64 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: here's here's a question that I think a lot of 65 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: people I want to ask, but maybe they don't get 66 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: around to it because they don't want to feel like 67 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: they're asking a stupid question. But it's actually it's a 68 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: great question. Why are some drugs legal and other drugs 69 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 1: are illegal? That is a great question and one that 70 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: we're going to attempt to answer here. But well, would 71 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: probably and will I'm gonna say, absolutely require you to 72 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 1: do some more research on your own and even talking 73 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: to people around you about this subject because it's dense 74 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 1: and it's also it's very gray. Yeah, gray area, that's true. Uh, Matt, 75 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 1: I just want to say that we have done a 76 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 1: lot of stuff on uh, different types of drugs. Right. 77 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 1: We did a little bit on the crack cocaine epidemic 78 00:04:55,320 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 1: and whether the US government was involved in helping um 79 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: helping terrorist groups in South America fund their activities via 80 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:11,840 Speaker 1: the drug trade. We looked at marijuana conspiracy theories, and 81 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:17,279 Speaker 1: we looked at most recently alcohol prohibition and pharmaceutical companies. 82 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 1: We've looked at and the profits that are involved there, 83 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 1: and then lobbying and how associated with politics. We've touched 84 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 1: on a lot of this stuff, but this is the 85 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:29,160 Speaker 1: first time we're compiling it in an audio episode. Yeah, 86 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: and this is the first time that we're really talking 87 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: about this this strange, this strange position that prescription drugs 88 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: hold in the United States. Now, in the US, we 89 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:44,159 Speaker 1: have something called the Controlled Substance Act, and this list 90 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: drugs in terms of a schedule. Uh, don't let the 91 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:54,839 Speaker 1: weird nomenclature fool you. A schedule just means several different lists, 92 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 1: several different categories. It's not like nine pm, d M 93 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: T or anything, Right, So how do we break down 94 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 1: this thing? There are five categories. Schedule one is the 95 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: most dangerous, and how do they define Schedule one? For 96 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 1: a drug or medicine to be considered Schedule one, it 97 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: has to meet some criteria and here are four of 98 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: the main things. It has to have a high potential 99 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: for abuse. It has to have no currently accepted medical use, 100 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,720 Speaker 1: a lack of safety for use of the drug, and 101 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: also no prescriptions can be written for this drug by 102 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:34,359 Speaker 1: a doctor. Right, And some of these are a little 103 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 1: bit tricky. There's a debate over what should and shouldn't 104 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 1: be legal they continues today. Uh you know, they controlled 105 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 1: substance SACKED, for example, exempts tobacco and booze, despite the 106 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: fact that these have proven uh dangerous effects. Critics believe 107 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 1: that a lot of the decisions regarding some of these 108 00:06:55,120 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 1: drugs are somewhats politically motivated or is monetarily motivated. Yes, Oh, Matt, 109 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,720 Speaker 1: I cooked up word recently that I thought you might 110 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: enjoy while we were working on the prohibition video series 111 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 1: that just came out past few weeks. What do you 112 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:18,559 Speaker 1: call someone who not only doesn't drink, but doesn't believe 113 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: anybody else should be allowed to drink either? Oh? Um? 114 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: A teetotal all close? A teetotalitarian. Yeah right, I'm a 115 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: little happy with that one. I was saving it for this. No, 116 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: what what do you think? No, what do you think? 117 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: Tee totalitarian? It's funny, Yeah, it's all right, all right, 118 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: Well I've got the NOL vote, ladiesim we have just 119 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: coined a phrase. But yes, politically motivated, financially motivated, not 120 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 1: just ideologically motivated. There are several conspiracies, several conspiracy theories, 121 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: some with more plausibility than others, right, Like, here we go, 122 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: like marijuana Schedule one, right, despite the fact that studies 123 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: prove it does not have the same high potential for abuse. Right. Yeah. 124 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: The the d e a's interpretation of the c s A, 125 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 1: the Control Substances Act, states that a drug doesn't necessarily 126 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: have to have the same high potential for abuse like heroin, 127 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:30,119 Speaker 1: which is another Schedule one drug, for it to merit 128 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:36,079 Speaker 1: its placement inside Schedule one. And that is that's interesting, right, 129 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 1: There's got to be a reason behind that. So if 130 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: you dig a little deeper, we found this quote. Should 131 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 1: we just go through some of these? Um, oh, do 132 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 1: a voice, Oh gosh, okay, all right, here we go. 133 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: When it comes to a drug that is currently scheduled 134 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: as a Schedule one, if it is undisputed that such 135 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: drug has no currently accepted medical use for treatment in 136 00:08:57,440 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: the US and a lack of accepted safety for you 137 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 1: sunder medical supervision. It is further undisputed that the drug 138 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: has at least some potential for abuse sufficient to warrant control. 139 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: Under the c s A, the drug must remain in 140 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:13,319 Speaker 1: Schedule one. In such circumstances, placement of the drug and 141 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 1: Schedules two through five would conflict with the c s A, 142 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 1: since such a drug would not meet the criterion of 143 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: a currently accepted medical use and treatment in the US. 144 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: So that's from the d e A and their denial 145 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 1: of a petition to reschedule marijuana. And as you hear 146 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 1: in that quotation, Schedules two through five contain drugs that 147 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: are considered to have some sort of benefit when prescribed, 148 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: but they also have either a potential for abuse, so 149 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 1: they can be addictive. There are a couple other things 150 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: in there. There may be proven side effects over some 151 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 1: certain amount of time that that could later come to 152 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: bearh We we know that the other conspiracies just a 153 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 1: laundry list them real quick about why marijuana stays at 154 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: Schedule one. Uh, there's there's the old story of hemp, 155 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 1: right and uh, the textile manufacturing. Textile manufacturing. Absolutely, and 156 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: it is true if you haven't checked out our marijuana 157 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 1: podcast with the audio and the video, we do have 158 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 1: some interesting stuff in there about the original campaign to 159 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 1: make marijuana illegal in the United States, because it wasn't 160 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 1: for a very long time. Absolutely, And you know, for 161 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 1: my money, we usually don't talk about our opinions here, Ben, 162 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: but for my money. The amount of money that you 163 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 1: make from having it illegal is just too much. It's 164 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: interesting when we talk about that. One of our questions 165 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: with prohibition was is prohibition working? Is the war on 166 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 1: drugs working? But it depends on your definition of the 167 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: players and their goals. The money just goes to different places. 168 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: If if these drugs were legal, say as alcohol and 169 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 1: tobacco are, then the drug the money, the drug money 170 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 1: goes I mean it goes to companies and then it 171 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: also is gained through taxes on those things. Yeah, arguably, 172 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 1: we'll see what We'll see how this stuff shakes out 173 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:16,680 Speaker 1: in some of the states that have, uh to one 174 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: degree or another, decriminalized you completely legalized marijuana. We know 175 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: that Portugal, which had a wildly different drug policy in 176 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 1: the past few years, has experienced what are being portrayed 177 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: as some positive benefits. But again, you know, these kind 178 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: of things may have ripple effects that we don't see 179 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: for ten years. Sure, just just to finish that point, then, 180 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 1: I just want to say, right now, the money from 181 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 1: having something like marijuana illegal or these other drugs illegal, 182 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: the money goes to police departments, and it goes to 183 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 1: black markets, and in my that's what I believe. It 184 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:01,079 Speaker 1: goes to larger than a larger scale than just police departments, though, 185 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: it goes to law enforcement in general, to the legal system. 186 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 1: We we've talked about this. Yeah, I'm just you know, 187 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 1: just saying, just saying, the monkey goes in places where 188 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: maybe some people want it to go right now, right, 189 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: And we we've seen some other we've seen some other 190 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 1: conspiracies about you know, crack and cocaine. Um, that's a 191 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: great example of how the drug schedules can can seem 192 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: contradictory because while cracking cocaine are derived from the same substance, 193 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 1: we know that for a long time there has been 194 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 1: a glaring discrepancy in sentencing laws for cocaine versus crack cocaine, 195 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 1: possibly because of which segments of the population use each drug. Right. 196 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: And then there's the returning uh, there's the returning idea 197 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 1: that we hear fairly often about the c i A 198 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: purposefully putting crack cocaine on the American market in hopes 199 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: of uh economically destabilizing or damaging the black and Latino 200 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: population of certain urban areas, particularly California. But yes, search 201 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 1: Gary Web anyway, I don't want to derail is further 202 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: than I already hear. Uh. So here's here's how drugs 203 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:34,200 Speaker 1: become legit. Here's the difference between the metho anthetamine you'd 204 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:39,239 Speaker 1: buy from uh a cameo character and breaking bad versus 205 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 1: the quote unquote prescription, diet pill or focus drugs that 206 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: you would get from a doctor. Before gaining the approval 207 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:52,199 Speaker 1: of the Food and Drug Administration the f d A, 208 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 1: which is our head hancho for this kind of stuff 209 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 1: in the States, a new substance or drug has to 210 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 1: be put through extensive and expensive testing. Now, if it 211 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 1: passes through these tests, this test with flying colors, it 212 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that this drug safe, of course, it just 213 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 1: means that it's made, it's met the requirements that the 214 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 1: FDA has set out right, and it also will typically 215 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 1: be only approved for one or two very specific uses. Uh. 216 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: Funny story which you probably heard before, ladies and gentlemen, 217 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 1: Viagra did not start out as an erectile dysfunction drug. 218 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 1: It was heart related. I believe it was a side effect. 219 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 1: It was. Can you imagine being in that being in 220 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: that research experiment, especially if you're on the end that's 221 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: taking a little bit of the higher dosage levels of 222 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 1: whatever drug. Yeah, I always I don't. I don't know, man, 223 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 1: this isn't really doing what I thought it was gonna do. 224 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 1: And there's a there's some other things like, oh, there's 225 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: an anti smoke king drug that will apparently get you 226 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 1: off smoking, but we'll give you incredibly strange and vivid dreams. Yeah, 227 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 1: is that the one that makes you feel sick when 228 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: you want to take a smoke or if you get 229 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: any tobacco in your lungs? Maybe, I don't know, forget 230 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: exactly which one. That sounds crazy, but okay, so there's 231 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: still going to be some side effects. Pharmaceutical companies will 232 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 1: only be allowed to sell a drug for a specific reason. 233 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 1: But despite these legal restrictions, there is no way around it. 234 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 1: Pharmaceutical companies make a lot of money. They make so 235 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 1: much money. They make more money than m I don't. 236 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 1: I don't know what a good metric for comparison would be. Well, 237 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 1: you just have to. If you have seen Breaking Bad, 238 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 1: just imagine the amount of money that Walter White accrued 239 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: over the amount of time, and then imagine that that's 240 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 1: a massive worldwide corporation. Right. Yeah, So here here a 241 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 1: couple of things that if you live outside the United States, 242 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 1: this might be weird to you. Matt, can you can 243 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: you describe this one? Okay? So, first of all, the 244 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 1: top twelve pharmaceutical companies in the world half our US 245 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 1: based of those so six, and these pharmaceutical let's say conglomerates, 246 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: they rake in billions and the US is their biggest 247 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 1: market by a large margin. Aside from New Zealand. The 248 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: US is the only country to allow prescription drug commercials 249 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: on television. Wait what yeah, so you can I mean 250 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: think think about that that we have such restrictions for 251 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 1: alcohol commercials, sure where you can't want you can't see 252 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 1: someone drinking a beer or any liquor. And people don't 253 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: smoke cigarettes on television, even in shows like Constant Team, 254 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 1: which I hope doesn't get canceled. Really, I watched one episode. Yeah, 255 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 1: I have to say, I'm trying to feel my way 256 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 1: through it. Oh, you're gonna give it a chance, You're 257 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: two kind. I only like it because I'm a huge 258 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: fan of the graphic novels. Same here, dude, I've watched that. 259 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 1: I own that movie when it came that guy, but 260 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:05,920 Speaker 1: the guy is always smoking, right, But even on television 261 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 1: with cigarettes which are legal and you don't need a prescription, 262 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:11,120 Speaker 1: you just have to be old enough to buy them. 263 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 1: Even then he's always about to smoke. It was just 264 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:16,200 Speaker 1: just finishing or you see a little bit of the 265 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 1: smoke rising. It's it's a weird thing, but it's got 266 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 1: to be strange to come from a different country and 267 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 1: see the weirdest, vaguest commercials ever. Yeah, and then at 268 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 1: the end the side effects that have to be by 269 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 1: law listed man, And you know, we kind of lampoon 270 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: that a little bit when we I mean, when Illumination 271 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:42,640 Speaker 1: Global Unlimited does their commercials with us, oh for prohibit all. Yeah, 272 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 1: for well, for all these commercials we have the side 273 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: effects and or little at the end. I mean, that's 274 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 1: essentially what it stemmed from those kinds of ads. Yeah, 275 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: And you can see this lampooned in other things American 276 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 1: comedy and so forth. But at the heart of it, 277 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 1: it's kind of weird to see just like a lady 278 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:03,159 Speaker 1: running through a field and then a kid throwing a 279 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: brightly lit ball to another kid, and then an old 280 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 1: guy heading a dog, and then this list of side 281 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 1: effects and you you don't know what the drug actually 282 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:16,719 Speaker 1: does well, there will be a vague description of you know, 283 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:21,120 Speaker 1: do you have problems with urinating while you sleep or 284 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 1: something like that, and or you know, dry mouth, do 285 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:26,399 Speaker 1: you have constant dry mouth all the time? Are you 286 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: afraid of your feet? Yeah, that's what it feels like. 287 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 1: And and those diseases might sound a little bit made up, 288 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: but we'll get to that. Hold on. So, these companies 289 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 1: have been repeatedly accused of doing things like bribing government 290 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:46,119 Speaker 1: officials via things like lobbying that are completely legal, giving 291 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:51,199 Speaker 1: gifts or trips or even cold hard cash to different senators, 292 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 1: different people in in positions in the government, and that's 293 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 1: totally illegal. The other stuff is kind of a gray area, 294 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 1: and the lobbying is well, the lobbying is legal, and 295 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:04,120 Speaker 1: we've talked about that. Check it out. Um. They've also 296 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:08,200 Speaker 1: been accused of bribing doctors in the same way. So, 297 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:10,879 Speaker 1: and I've actually seen this a lot. If you go 298 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 1: to a doctor's office, you've probably seen it too. There 299 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:18,160 Speaker 1: will be specific prescriptions and like samples set up in places, 300 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 1: and the doctor maybe you will recommend a certain thing 301 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:25,119 Speaker 1: a certain drug to you. Even if there are if 302 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:27,639 Speaker 1: you're aware of multiple things that you could be taking 303 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:31,359 Speaker 1: or prescriptions. There's one that your doctor tells you you 304 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 1: should use, and you can request the generic one. That's true, 305 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:37,919 Speaker 1: but some doctors will say no, the only thing they 306 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 1: can fix your chronic fear of your feet is uh, 307 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 1: specifical or whatever the insistence. Even things like vitamins, there 308 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:50,440 Speaker 1: are prescription vitamins that are made by these manufacturing these 309 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: drug companies. Now, also, to be fair, we know that 310 00:19:55,280 --> 00:20:00,360 Speaker 1: this this kind of business is legal as well. It's 311 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:04,640 Speaker 1: it's arguably unethical, but it's also part of a business 312 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 1: that they've been doing. They're not breaking the law when 313 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:12,400 Speaker 1: they do this necessarily. But despite these numerous fines, because 314 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 1: they do get fined for ethic violations, Big Pharma soldiers 315 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: on and well, yeah, because they get fined a certain 316 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: amount of money, and you can just spacture that into 317 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: your cost of doing business. Right, yeah, So what is 318 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 1: what is for instance, a thirty million dollar fine to 319 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 1: a company that is making hundreds of millions off of 320 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:40,159 Speaker 1: that one slightly unethical action. Right, And the d o J, 321 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:46,479 Speaker 1: the Department of Justice is has repeatedly it seemed like 322 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 1: it was going to come down hard on some of 323 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:52,120 Speaker 1: these companies, and they have received fines, but those are 324 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 1: just proven cases against pharmaceutical companies. So Matt, what about 325 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:04,880 Speaker 1: the crazy stuff. Well, some people would pose it that 326 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 1: drug companies maybe aren't necessarily just manufacturing the cure for 327 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:14,719 Speaker 1: a for a disease, but they're also manufacturing a problem 328 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:18,159 Speaker 1: or disease itself. Ah. And this goes back to some 329 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:21,640 Speaker 1: very old theories, the idea that a cure for cancer 330 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: or that a cure for HIV exist, but that due 331 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 1: to a need or desire for consistent revenue, instead of 332 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:36,160 Speaker 1: introducing that cure, there are treatments introduced. That's right, And 333 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 1: I hate to keep harping on this, but it goes 334 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 1: back to the conspiracies that a lot of the law 335 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:46,119 Speaker 1: enforcement budgeting and and money that goes into that comes 336 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: from keeping a controlled opposition that is always there that 337 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:54,120 Speaker 1: they need to fight. Um, these are music conspiracies about 338 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 1: the prohibition of marijuana and other drugs. So you're comparing 339 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:00,159 Speaker 1: them this comparing the structure exactly, because if you don't 340 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 1: have something out there that you have to fight, that 341 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 1: you have to spend money to fight, then you know, 342 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 1: how are you going to get that revenue or at 343 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,640 Speaker 1: least increased revenue over time. I see what you're saying, 344 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 1: and I think that often when we hear these kinds 345 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:16,879 Speaker 1: of ideas. One of one of the things is a 346 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 1: pet peeve of mine, is when you hear this idea 347 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,880 Speaker 1: of a cure for cancer. Cancer is such an umbrella 348 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:27,680 Speaker 1: term for so many very different things. We're still finding 349 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 1: out what exactly it is. Right. Yeah, when we did 350 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:34,400 Speaker 1: our series on immortality and we found that the closest 351 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: thing there is to a living, immortal human being is 352 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: the cancer cells of Henrietta Lacks. Yes, the Hells cells 353 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 1: and several of our other partners on the House of 354 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 1: Works channels have done some episodes on this stuff to 355 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 1: blow your mind. Stuff you should know. But with that 356 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 1: being said, it is conceivable the motivation is there in 357 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 1: theory to say, uh, we're not going to give you 358 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:06,439 Speaker 1: a pill that will fix this chronic condition or an 359 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,360 Speaker 1: injection that will fix this. What we will give you, however, 360 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: there's a prescription for a series of injections and a 361 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,160 Speaker 1: pill you can take every day yep at five bucks, 362 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 1: a pill at thirty bucks, a pill two seven dollars 363 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:23,160 Speaker 1: per pill. Yeah, And this goes in my mind from 364 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 1: everything from the idea that there's halitosis or you know, 365 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 1: that's a something that's talked about a lot of platosis, 366 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,160 Speaker 1: this idea of bad breath, But there are just things 367 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 1: that decompose in your mouth and then you get bad breath, 368 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,639 Speaker 1: and that's what happens. It's not a thing that you 369 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,439 Speaker 1: can really combat in that way. It's not a thing 370 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 1: you take a drug for at least most of the time. Uh. 371 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 1: But then you look at things like what if the 372 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 1: side effects of the drug that you're already prescribed to 373 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 1: then need a prescription and then it begins to stack 374 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 1: on each Each one has a side effect that you 375 00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 1: have to take. And you know, my grandfather when he 376 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 1: was around, he took so many proscution pills and he 377 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:05,360 Speaker 1: went through one time and told me, well, I take 378 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 1: this one specifically for my heart, and then this one 379 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,639 Speaker 1: is to combat this because of my heart special light 380 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 1: or something. Yeah. And it's insane how it stacks up 381 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 1: that way. Yeah, And it's a it's not necessarily Look, guys, 382 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 1: the best way to say this is not that we 383 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: are accusing Eli Lilly or Fights or anybody like that 384 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 1: of purposefully doing stuff like this, because again we know 385 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 1: that when the FDA approves the drug approves it for 386 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:40,959 Speaker 1: very specific things. Uh. Both the government and the corporations 387 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 1: do their best to figure out if they're going to 388 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 1: be side effects. But if you get to a point 389 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 1: where you're saving somebody's life, right, Uh, and the way 390 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 1: that you're saving their life endangers their life in some 391 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 1: other way, right, Like there are drugs that are good 392 00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:00,439 Speaker 1: for some conditions, but hell on your kidneys, right, and 393 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,120 Speaker 1: then you have to take something for that. Uh. We're 394 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 1: not saying that people are purposely over medicating others, but 395 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 1: we are saying that the numbers show that people are 396 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 1: over medicated. Yeah. Absolutely, And those aren't people that are 397 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 1: abusing the drugs. Those are the people that need some 398 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:20,400 Speaker 1: kind type of medication, Like the bgs, they're just staying alive. Yes, 399 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 1: that's true. I think you ben put a little light 400 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: in there. Uh. Yeah, My my head goes to dark 401 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 1: places when I think about this stuff. Um, and again, 402 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,640 Speaker 1: I I want to put a coveyat in there too. 403 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,200 Speaker 1: It sounds like I'm I don't know, really gung hope 404 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 1: for this when I'm hearing myself talk on this podcast. 405 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,160 Speaker 1: But um, there's you know, there's a lot of research 406 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 1: to be done here. There's a lot more information that 407 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 1: we're not even talking about. And I don't want you 408 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 1: to get from what I'm saying a view that we're 409 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,680 Speaker 1: saying any of those things that we're attacking these people 410 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:51,920 Speaker 1: right on, because to me, you even have to look 411 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 1: at the f d A, and you have to look 412 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,879 Speaker 1: at revolving door policies, and you have to look at 413 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,439 Speaker 1: there's a lot of stuff to cover in there, and 414 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 1: we have those on or videos. But Matt, to paraphrase inception, 415 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 1: we have to go darker. So let's talk about the 416 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 1: other so far unproven case against many different pharmaceutical companies, 417 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 1: and that is the idea of manufacturing disease or disease mongering. 418 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,479 Speaker 1: Now go with me on this for a little bit 419 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:25,400 Speaker 1: of an anecdote. Okay, all right, So listeners, I want 420 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:32,440 Speaker 1: you to imagine yourself as the vice president or an 421 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: executive at a pharmaceutical company, and global health is increasing. 422 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 1: Several of the charitable initiatives that your company has taken 423 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:45,439 Speaker 1: in the developing world are doing gangbusters. People are living longer, 424 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 1: people are healthier, people have less disease. Ah. But wait, technically, 425 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:59,160 Speaker 1: medicine is a business. That you could cure yourself out 426 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,160 Speaker 1: of right to the poorhouse and right to the streets. 427 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 1: So in an ideal world, that's what would happen. Right. 428 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:08,400 Speaker 1: So the boardroom gets together and says, we're running out 429 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,399 Speaker 1: of diseases or we're running out of uses for drugs 430 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 1: that we have already sunk so much money in. And 431 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 1: now this part is truladies and gentlemen, We, if we 432 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,879 Speaker 1: are the average pharmaceutical companies, spend more money on marketing 433 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:25,360 Speaker 1: than we do on research and development, which is strange, 434 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 1: but if you consider the sunk costs involved with research, 435 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 1: you want something to be useful, right, So this goes 436 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,879 Speaker 1: to this is all hypothetical and it's not a specific 437 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,119 Speaker 1: company in mind, but this goes to the accusation that 438 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:44,119 Speaker 1: pharmaceutical companies have gone from treating disease to creating it. 439 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 1: And even if it's only in in your mind, So, 440 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 1: what are some diseases that people might create? Alright, So 441 00:27:55,119 --> 00:28:00,159 Speaker 1: let's look at one. S E R M deficiency is 442 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 1: that I don't know, let's talk about it. So let's 443 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 1: say there's a pill that you could take to prevent 444 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 1: post menopausal osteoporosis. Okay, and let's say that this pill 445 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 1: packs the magic three. Now this is something that we 446 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:18,119 Speaker 1: got from AlterNet, and uh, the magic three according to 447 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 1: that article for drug sales at least are fear, forever 448 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 1: and faith. Okay, So this is interesting because again this 449 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 1: comes from a sales perspective, not a money perspective. Uh, 450 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,159 Speaker 1: I fear what will happen to me if I stopped 451 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 1: taking this drug? I must take it forever to make 452 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 1: sure that that fear is never realized. I have faith 453 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 1: that this is working, even if I don't see any 454 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 1: discernible improvement. Just the thing I fear happening is not happening, 455 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 1: because yeah, in this case, you are taking a pill 456 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 1: to prevent post menopausal osteoporosis. Right. So the thing that 457 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 1: Alternate is accusing pharmaceutical companies of manufacturing is something called 458 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 1: s E r M deficiency or select of estrogen receptor 459 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 1: modulator deficiency. Now I want to be very cautious with this, Matt. 460 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 1: You're not a doctor. I'm not a doctor. Nol is 461 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 1: not a doctor. Are you a doctor? Are you a doctor? Okay? 462 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 1: Definitely not a doctor. Agents Scully, despite the rumors, is 463 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 1: not a doctrine. Sorry, Fox. But the point we're making 464 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 1: is that we are not in any way trying to 465 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 1: cast dispersion on you if you feel like you have 466 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 1: one of those conditions, right, But we are saying that 467 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 1: this is just an example something that people look at 468 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 1: as a a manufactured disease. And here's something that I 469 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 1: wanted to ask you about, Matt, because if we skip 470 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 1: down this list, you can read the whole article and 471 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 1: see some of the stuff they have, But skip down 472 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 1: this list, we'll see one of these is adult autism 473 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 1: eight eight h D and social interaction difficulties. Now, this 474 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 1: is something that we know has uh that we know 475 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,719 Speaker 1: has become tremendously controversial, and you and I have received 476 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 1: a lot of email and a lot of Facebook messages 477 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 1: over the years about the nature of this stuff, right, yeah, Well, 478 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 1: and I also have a little personal experience. My I 479 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 1: think I've said this before. My wife is a school 480 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 1: psychologist and works with a lot of children who are 481 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 1: prescribed drugs for a d h D and people with 482 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 1: autism as well. And there are a whole host of 483 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 1: drugs that these kids and adults are on, and uh, 484 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 1: I don't know. All this stuff throws up a lot 485 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 1: of red flags for me. But I've also heard, specifically 486 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 1: from my wife, that there are massive benefits from these 487 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 1: drugs that they're taking. So is this the case of uh? 488 00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 1: Is this the case of trying to make the best 489 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 1: out of something that we don't completely understand? In my mind, 490 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 1: it's there's no doubt that these drugs work for some people, okay, 491 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 1: but that maybe not across the board. For me. There's 492 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 1: also no doubt that, and I think a lot of 493 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 1: doctors will back me up on this, that children especially 494 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,960 Speaker 1: are being overprescribed a lot of these drugs because they're 495 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 1: being diagnosed earlier and earlier, and perhaps that diagnosis is 496 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 1: a bit premature. You know. I noticed that you and 497 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 1: I are of the generation where uh psychoactive drugs began 498 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 1: being uh prescribed to children and younger and younger ages, 499 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 1: you know, And these were heavy hitting things like zoloft. UH. 500 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 1: Riddling was huge when I was coming, Riddling was huge. 501 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 1: A little was huge. I don't know what the statute 502 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 1: of limitations are on this kind of thing, but one 503 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,520 Speaker 1: time when I was when I was just a wee 504 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,960 Speaker 1: young type, someone tried to sell me riddling on the 505 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 1: school bus. Nice I I didn't I didn't buy it. 506 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 1: I was saving so dumb, I was saving money for 507 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 1: a g I Joe. Yeah, but I felt super cool 508 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 1: and I felt like I have my wits about me 509 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 1: enough that I knew not to say I can't buy 510 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 1: drugs because I'm saving up for a G I Joe. 511 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 1: I just said no, and like coolly, looked out the window. 512 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 1: I wish had shades. Anyhow, uh we Anyhow, regarding regarding 513 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:31,560 Speaker 1: this idea that there would be aggressive, overly aggressive prescribing, 514 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 1: that there would be UM manufactured diseases, I love that 515 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 1: you pointed out holatosis, because that is one of the 516 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 1: big ones. UM. The idea of listering is often voiced 517 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:50,240 Speaker 1: upon things. And if anybody has not seen again UM, 518 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 1: any of our stuff about Edward Burns, he was the 519 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 1: king of this kind of inventing the market, right and 520 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,960 Speaker 1: at the current time, that's where this stands. This is 521 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 1: a multibillion dollar industry. Uh. The United States is one 522 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,240 Speaker 1: of the biggest markets. We haven't even touched upon the 523 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 1: huge battle that's going on between pharmaceutical companies and drug 524 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 1: manufacturers in the developing world who want to be able 525 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 1: to manufacture generic versions of drugs like retroviral stuff for 526 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 1: hiv UM because you know, frankly, quite a few of 527 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 1: the people with these diseases cannot afford the fees and 528 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 1: will never be able to afford the fees. And it's 529 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 1: so I mean, that's a whole another debate just about 530 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,200 Speaker 1: the humanity where and and you know, that's a question 531 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,600 Speaker 1: we have to ask ourselves, where is that line between 532 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,720 Speaker 1: a company that needs to make profits off of their 533 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:55,960 Speaker 1: thing and then saving human beings from a problem, from 534 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 1: a serious issue that you do have a way to 535 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:03,080 Speaker 1: save them. And it also goes into disease targeting. You know, 536 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 1: are there certain diseases that will never receive R and 537 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 1: D because either not enough people have it, it's too rare, 538 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 1: or not the right sort of drug buying demographic has 539 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,239 Speaker 1: it um And we you know, we see a lot 540 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:24,120 Speaker 1: of stuff that that comes and goes, their medical fads, 541 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:28,400 Speaker 1: their medical scares. There are serious medical conditions that are 542 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 1: often widely ignored for a long time, right and uh 543 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,600 Speaker 1: we you and I have talked before off air about 544 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 1: whether there is a rise in mental illness in the 545 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:44,239 Speaker 1: United States due to the environment in which people live, right, 546 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:50,480 Speaker 1: or whether there are just more sophisticated diagnostic tools right, yea, 547 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,799 Speaker 1: and currently that's another great area where it's kind of 548 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,759 Speaker 1: both at least if you take a hard look at it. Yeah, yeah, 549 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,279 Speaker 1: it's weird. It's the there's the same thing with the internet, right. 550 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,359 Speaker 1: There are no more skeletons, there are no more closets. 551 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:09,319 Speaker 1: It's just easier to see inside. Yeah, we didn't even 552 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 1: talk about that creepy salt Lake City. I know it's 553 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:17,160 Speaker 1: totally really, but just the last thing. This Salt Lake 554 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 1: City daycare center or is it. It's very bright and green. 555 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,960 Speaker 1: It looks nice and happy, but nobody seems to be 556 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,960 Speaker 1: going in and out. Ben. Yeah, and shout out to 557 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,640 Speaker 1: uh of course the conspiracy subreddit there on Reddit for 558 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,759 Speaker 1: Hippinus to this. We're gonna look into it and maybe 559 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:38,839 Speaker 1: get back to you on it. That's just a little 560 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:42,880 Speaker 1: bit of a teaser. I just have to say that 561 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:48,760 Speaker 1: we are moving away from this place. We're leaving Buckhead. 562 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,440 Speaker 1: This is the last podcast you're gonna hear that was 563 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:55,399 Speaker 1: recorded in this space, so really, you know what, let's 564 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,600 Speaker 1: just take in the ambiance sounds okay, just for let's 565 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:08,480 Speaker 1: give it five seconds. beIN you're ready. That's the last 566 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 1: time you're gonna hear that. That's the last time. It's okay. Really, 567 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,400 Speaker 1: you don't have to. Please don't cry, Yeah, Agents Scully, 568 00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:22,000 Speaker 1: come on your skeleton. It looks weird, well fake cryme aside. 569 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,799 Speaker 1: We hope you guys enjoyed the show. We're looking to 570 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,320 Speaker 1: get some new T shirt designs out at our website. 571 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:32,440 Speaker 1: Stuff they don't want you to know dot spreadshirt dot com, 572 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,480 Speaker 1: which is still hilarious. Um, and shout out to the 573 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,879 Speaker 1: people who wrote to us and said you guys had 574 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,560 Speaker 1: a chance to pick a shorter name. We really didn't 575 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,319 Speaker 1: know it was it was. 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