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Speaker 1: What's going on? Everybody. Welcome into Fantasy Pros. This is

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Speaker 1: the Fantasy Baseball Podcast. I'm your host, Joe Rico, and

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Speaker 1: today we're bringing you part two in our ADP Battle series.

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Speaker 1: If you missed Pitchers last week, be sure to check

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Speaker 1: it out. We are moving into the infield today, going

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Speaker 1: to bring you guys two battles at each position, including catcher,

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Speaker 1: for a total of ten. And we have a couple

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Speaker 1: of fantastic guests on the show. You're definitely familiar with

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Speaker 1: both of their work, Derek Van Riper from The Athletic

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Speaker 1: and Jeff Erickson from Roda Wire Fellas. I really appreciate

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Speaker 1: you taking the time today. How's it going.

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Speaker 2: It's going great. Thanks for having us on.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely can't wait to battle here with Derek fight No.

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Speaker 3: Very excited about this. You know, it's been a long

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Speaker 3: time since Derek and I used to do pods together,

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Speaker 3: so it should be fun to do one together for

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Speaker 3: a while.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was part of the reason when I was

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Speaker 1: pairing people up for this, I thought, okay, you guys

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Speaker 1: know each other. We were We took a car ride

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Speaker 1: together in Arizona to go down to one of the games.

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Speaker 1: I forget which one it was. But you guys know

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Speaker 1: each other. We've been familiar with each other for a

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Speaker 1: couple of years, and I don't think there's anybody really

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Speaker 1: better to start breaking down these ADPs. We're going to

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Speaker 1: start behind the dish and we're gonna work our way

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Speaker 1: around the diamond. We're going to kick things off here

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Speaker 1: with Salvador Perez and cal Rawley, and I'm using the

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Speaker 1: Fantasy Pros Consensus ADP. There will be some differences depending

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Speaker 1: on which platform you are drafting on. Of course, if

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Speaker 1: it's a points league head to head roto, there will

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Speaker 1: be some differences. But I did try to capture battles

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Speaker 1: that are generally about the same on each site. So DVR,

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Speaker 1: let's start with you on this one, Salvi Perez and

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Speaker 1: cal Rawley, which one have you been landing on more?

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Speaker 1: If you're landing on either of them?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't land on them very often, but it

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Speaker 2: would be Sal for me. I think there's a chance

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Speaker 2: he slips every now and then you get into a

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Speaker 2: But the thing that makes me a little more confident

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Speaker 2: lot lower, and they're both high volume catchers. Sal doesn't

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Speaker 2: for meen. But when you talk about high volume catchers,

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Speaker 2: that's when the batting average liabilities become more of a

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Speaker 2: problem for me. For the guys that share the job,

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Speaker 2: I don't care if they hit two ten or two twenty,

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Speaker 2: and go the route of salth Perez. I'm choosing from

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Speaker 2: this bucket, but I've found that more often than not,

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Speaker 2: I mean, they're investing earlier or I'm waiting a little

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Speaker 2: bit longer to get that catcher one. These are two

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you broke my heart and Labor. You did go

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Speaker 3: early on William Contreras at three five. I would have

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Speaker 3: taken him there in that draft just last Tuesday, Derek.

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Speaker 3: But I do land on these guys a couple of times.

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Speaker 3: But I think you make a really good point about

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Speaker 3: the batting average, and in fact, that's one thing I've

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Speaker 3: to account better for batting average, because I found myself

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Speaker 3: in this particular draft, I took cal rally, and I

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Speaker 3: aware of it enough to not take Kyle Schwarber. In

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Speaker 3: if you look right now in retiwar my rankings probably

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Speaker 3: to do it the other way around in my next draft.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's totally fair. I think the Royals

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Speaker 2: into effect this year. We've talked about it on Rates

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Speaker 2: So I do worry about the park as far as

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Speaker 2: for the most part, he's adapted well enough. And look,

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Speaker 2: I mean for catchers easily the most power in the

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Speaker 3: Risk absolutely, and to your point too, like Seattle, they

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Speaker 3: they know they have this lineup that really struggled to

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Speaker 3: score runs, so they probably did nothing this offseason. I

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Speaker 1: Horiy Polanco being your key acquisition, I guess him returning

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Speaker 1: At first, I thought it made sense, but yeah, the

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Speaker 1: bitching is unimbeachable. Five guys. You can probably take those

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Speaker 1: think it's unanimous there on Salvi Perez, not much of

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Speaker 1: I can put these two against each other on the

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Speaker 1: next one, and that's JT. Real Mudo and Logan o'hapi

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Speaker 3: I might be out of out of line on this one,

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Speaker 3: but it's clearly Ohappy for me. With real Muto, so

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Speaker 3: much of his value is generated from a speed. They're

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Speaker 3: talking so much about playing him less this year. I'd

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Speaker 3: rather take the guy in the Rise of Ohapi, who

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Speaker 3: I think there's some days there's gonna be a twenty

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Speaker 2: I like Logan o'happy too. I mean, I think, if

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Speaker 2: I'm choosing straight, I'm with Jeff o'hapis the way to go.

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Speaker 2: I do think the demise of jt Reel Mudo is

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Speaker 2: batting average floor for the position is still high. Even

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Speaker 2: if he's going to give up a little bit of

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Speaker 2: surprised if we dipped more than that. Even in a

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Speaker 2: to the power. I think it's twenty homers and a

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Speaker 2: But I think the stolen bases used to get from

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Speaker 2: jt Reel Mudo those days are probably over. Like fifteen

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Speaker 2: seeing him age pretty gracefully. I think the injury last

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Speaker 2: and some of that may have just been also compounded

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Speaker 2: regular season and going to the playoffs, and maybe that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand both sides of the real Mudo coin.

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Speaker 1: The sprint speed was still seventy eighth percentile. I don't

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Speaker 1: this season. Again, if Shrow get hurt gets hurt, all

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Speaker 1: bets are off. But I think o'hapy is probably the

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Speaker 1: base here, and we're going to start with Josh Naylor

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Speaker 1: and Christian Walker. It's interesting because Naylor essentially replaced Walker

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Speaker 1: out there in Arizona. I have some interest in both,

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Speaker 2: I like Walker as well. I think with Josh Naylor,

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Speaker 2: power on the left side at Chase Field. It is

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Speaker 2: one of the worst park factors for left handed homers.

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Speaker 2: Leaving Cleveland, I think he ends up going from kind

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Speaker 2: Naylor is a good, solid all around player. I think

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Speaker 2: the thing I've always liked about him high batting average floor,

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Speaker 2: All of that's still true. He's not a particularly great runner,

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Speaker 2: I think, yeah, I like both players too. I think Cassis,

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Speaker 3: Not the sort of thing where it's like, oh, he's

431
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Speaker 3: always breaking down, he's got that hamstring again. No, it's

432
00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:29,320
Speaker 3: not that. It's not that case with Albi's. So I

433
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Speaker 3: also have Albi slightly ahead of al Tuo.

434
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Speaker 2: Ba.

435
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Speaker 1: I have had al Tuova ahead, but I think that's

436
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Speaker 1: something I really need to look into. Like as much

437
00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:38,760
Speaker 1: as I like Christian Walker and he saw parates, they

438
00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:41,200
Speaker 1: are not quite Kyle Tucker and Alex Bragman, so that

439
00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:44,879
Speaker 1: is a downgrade. Altuove's quite a bit older. You know

440
00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:46,920
Speaker 1: that you guys have made a lot of the good points,

441
00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:48,480
Speaker 1: and I think that that is something I'm going to

442
00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:50,440
Speaker 1: have to look into. I think that they're still relatively

443
00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:52,919
Speaker 1: close because al Tuove he's always just defied the metrics.

444
00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:54,640
Speaker 1: He's never been somebody that you would have expected would

445
00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:56,080
Speaker 1: have had the career he's had to begin with, and

446
00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:58,280
Speaker 1: I almost want to give him the benefit of the

447
00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:00,359
Speaker 1: doubt until we see him fall off a cliff. But

448
00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:02,600
Speaker 1: at the same time, I'd rather be out a year

449
00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:05,200
Speaker 1: early than out a year late if those are the options,

450
00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:07,800
Speaker 1: and I think that I'll be's in that lineup. I

451
00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:09,479
Speaker 1: think it is the way that makes sense. But there

452
00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:10,960
Speaker 1: was a report I saw today I think it might

453
00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,280
Speaker 1: have been a Rode Wire blurb that al Tuve is

454
00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:15,800
Speaker 1: looking more and more likely to be in the outfield.

455
00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:18,240
Speaker 1: So I guess that multiposition eligibility is also nice. The

456
00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:22,159
Speaker 1: infield and outfield switch. But yeah, he's he's not what

457
00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:24,440
Speaker 1: he once was in his postal too.

458
00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:26,320
Speaker 3: And they want to make sure it's one or the other.

459
00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:28,080
Speaker 3: They don't want to move him back and forth. Is

460
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Speaker 3: that I think his spots point about that there is

461
00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:32,879
Speaker 3: they really want to focus on. Okay, you will be this.

462
00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's been some examples of middle endfielders going to

463
00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:38,720
Speaker 1: the outfield in the last couple of years tattoos Chisholm.

464
00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:40,640
Speaker 1: But they do it. They don't do it at thirty

465
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Speaker 1: five years old. They do it when they're quite a

466
00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,080
Speaker 1: bit younger. So interesting to see how that one will

467
00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:46,520
Speaker 1: will play out. The other one I have down here

468
00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:50,159
Speaker 1: at second base is Bryce Terrang and Luis Garcia generally

469
00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:54,160
Speaker 1: about pick one thirty one thirty five on average. Bryce

470
00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:56,600
Speaker 1: Tranger getting a ton of speed, where with Garcia a

471
00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:58,800
Speaker 1: little bit more of a balanced approach. They did send

472
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Speaker 1: him down a couple of years ago, twenty twenty three,

473
00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:02,440
Speaker 1: when he was having a decent year. The Nationals do

474
00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:04,840
Speaker 1: tend to do that sometimes, but I think that they're

475
00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:07,040
Speaker 1: both relatively similar in value. Jeff, We'll start with you

476
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Speaker 1: on this one, Bryce Terrang or Luis Garcia.

477
00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:12,720
Speaker 3: I'm a little ahead on Garcia. I think then Terrang,

478
00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:16,880
Speaker 3: I worry about Terreng's ability to actually hit Still, I think,

479
00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,040
Speaker 3: you know, there's always the green light with both of

480
00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:20,960
Speaker 3: these teams actually that you know he's going to be

481
00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:22,600
Speaker 3: able to run if he can get on. But I'm

482
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Speaker 3: kind of worried about Terang second half. I think they

483
00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:30,440
Speaker 3: have alternatives. They're not super strong alternatives, but say if

484
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Speaker 3: he gets off to a terrible start, unlike the blistering

485
00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:34,920
Speaker 3: hot starready got off to you last year, maybe there's

486
00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,800
Speaker 3: even a possibility of moving down the lineup, maybe even

487
00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:39,680
Speaker 3: sitting a day or two here or there. I feel

488
00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:41,600
Speaker 3: like Garcia is a little bit more on stable ground

489
00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:44,320
Speaker 3: WUDBR Yeah.

490
00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:47,639
Speaker 2: Same overall read, I find myself kind of moving away

491
00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:50,080
Speaker 2: from second basement in this part of the draft. I

492
00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:53,480
Speaker 2: think part of it's that I see similar Rodo skills

493
00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:57,440
Speaker 2: in Andreas Jimenez as Bryce Terrang and Menez available later.

494
00:20:57,520 --> 00:20:59,639
Speaker 2: I think Bryce and Stott does some similar things. His

495
00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:02,440
Speaker 2: situation as a hitter looks a little more stable than

496
00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:05,719
Speaker 2: Terrang as well. I mean from May first on last year,

497
00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,439
Speaker 2: Bryce Terrang had a seventy nine WRC plus you can

498
00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:10,680
Speaker 2: stay in the lineup every day being that bad when

499
00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:13,960
Speaker 2: your defense is that good. But that doesn't mean I

500
00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:16,560
Speaker 2: want you on my fantasy team. And I just don't

501
00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,040
Speaker 2: see a path to more power. Terrang's not one of

502
00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,080
Speaker 2: those guys you look at and say physically he's going

503
00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,159
Speaker 2: to get a lot stronger and develop that part of

504
00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:25,840
Speaker 2: his game. It would just take a lot of changes

505
00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:29,400
Speaker 2: for him as a hitter to become even a league

506
00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:32,040
Speaker 2: average guy at this point in his career. So it's

507
00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:35,119
Speaker 2: Garcia for me, but it's a tier that in general

508
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:36,680
Speaker 2: I'm steering away from in redraft.

509
00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:39,480
Speaker 1: Joe Pisapa will be happy to hear that, because he's

510
00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:44,080
Speaker 1: been a big, big stand for Luis Garcia this draft season. DVR,

511
00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:46,520
Speaker 1: I wonder, though you're you're in Milwaukee, you're a Brewers fan,

512
00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:51,520
Speaker 1: is the lineup? Has it taken a step back this season?

513
00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:53,240
Speaker 1: You think with the loss of Willia Damas, with the

514
00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:56,720
Speaker 1: question marks around Christian Yalich's status, what's your opinion on

515
00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:57,919
Speaker 1: the team as a whole. Do you think they're going

516
00:21:57,960 --> 00:21:59,240
Speaker 1: to be worse than last year? Offensively?

517
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,320
Speaker 2: I think you have to assume a slight step back

518
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 2: just because replacing a Dames alone and the season a

519
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:10,000
Speaker 2: Damis just had is particularly difficult. So I think Joey

520
00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:13,359
Speaker 2: Ortiz could be seventy percent of that player overall from

521
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,280
Speaker 2: a real life perspective, he does it a different way,

522
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,560
Speaker 2: less power, a little more speed. Ortiz actually ran into

523
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:20,639
Speaker 2: a tarp last year and was a much better player

524
00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:22,760
Speaker 2: pre injury than post injury. It caused some kind of

525
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,119
Speaker 2: neck problem for him, so keep that in mind. I

526
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,399
Speaker 2: guess when you're looking at how they're using him and

527
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:29,760
Speaker 2: what he's doing early in the season, I look at

528
00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,560
Speaker 2: guys like Caleb Durban and I can't quite see what

529
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,680
Speaker 2: the Brewers see beyond the fact that their speed and

530
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:37,719
Speaker 2: there's a versatile glove, and they'd like guys they can

531
00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,600
Speaker 2: mix and match. But you know, you could look at

532
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:42,440
Speaker 2: Jackson Turio and say, a Churio is going to be

533
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,439
Speaker 2: ten percent better than last year, and Ortiz is going

534
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Speaker 2: to be seventy percent of Willia Dames, and then they're

535
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:48,960
Speaker 2: gonna need more out of someone like Garrett Mitchell. They're

536
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:50,879
Speaker 2: gonna need to bounce back from Brye Hoskins. It's a

537
00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 2: pretty long list of things that need to go right

538
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,600
Speaker 2: for them to hold the level they were at last year.

539
00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,119
Speaker 2: But they also are not built like a lot of

540
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:02,280
Speaker 2: other lineups right now, built more on speed than power.

541
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:04,640
Speaker 2: So I think a lot of it's just putting balls

542
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:08,080
Speaker 2: in play, putting pressure on opposing defenses to make plays,

543
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,680
Speaker 2: and it seems like it serves them pretty well. So

544
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:14,400
Speaker 2: slightly worse, but still probably getting a lot of things

545
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:16,159
Speaker 2: right and beating projections.

546
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:18,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've seen them around eighty two and a half

547
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 3: in the win total projections here and there, and you

548
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:22,199
Speaker 3: know it's you know, they won ninety three last year,

549
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,719
Speaker 3: so it's quite of a drop down. I don't think

550
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,679
Speaker 3: they lost. I don't think they're eleven games worse than

551
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 3: last year. But on the flip side, you know, some

552
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,119
Speaker 3: things did work right. As DVR said, I think two

553
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 3: keys are Garrett Mitchell, who DVR alluded to in South Freelik. Also,

554
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 3: I think, you know, both of those players need to

555
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,400
Speaker 3: kind of do a little bit more and they'll get

556
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 3: a full season out of Mitchell. I think Mitchell's a

557
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:42,880
Speaker 3: really good player. It's just a matter of him being

558
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 3: able to stay on the field. But I think there's

559
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 3: a chance that he could help advance that cause a

560
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:49,479
Speaker 3: little bit. I also think they'll be better and run

561
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 3: prevention this year. I think get Woodrof for some portion

562
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,400
Speaker 3: of the season. I think Nestor kirk Tez will fit

563
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 3: well there. And I like Tobias Myers, who another player

564
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,960
Speaker 3: DVR snatched from my loving arms in the LABR draft.

565
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 1: Tobias Myers, I forget who it was the other day,

566
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:05,879
Speaker 1: but somebody said that, and I've forgotten about this, that

567
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 1: he was traded for Junior Camenaro a few years ago,

568
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 1: and I've completely forgotten that one. That was just boggling,

569
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 1: But it happens, and.

570
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 3: Then released and then released by the Giants, finally lands

571
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 3: in Milwaukee and resuscitates his career. But interesting, whiney, twisty

572
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:22,680
Speaker 3: path for him.

573
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, you never know, you never know what these young guys.

574
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:28,399
Speaker 1: Let's move on to third base and this one is

575
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 1: the only triple battle that we have today. It's a

576
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 1: spicy one for sure. Rafael Devers, Manny Machado, and Austin Riley.

577
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 1: Now Devers has started to fall a little bit, but

578
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:41,240
Speaker 1: he's still generally going in the third round. This is

579
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 1: a debate that a lot of people have to make

580
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 1: on the third round if they want to lock down

581
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 1: a third basement here. Devers Machado and Riley DVR. We'll

582
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 1: kick it back to you on this one, any preference.

583
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 2: I feel like these guys have been stuck together for

584
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 2: three draft seasons now, and they're still very close. In

585
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 2: my rankings right now, I've got Machado just ahead of Riley.

586
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 2: I think the difference for me is Machado runs a

587
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,200
Speaker 2: little bit. I think there is a little more batting

588
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 2: average downside, just that reflected in some projection systems. But

589
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 2: Machado's track record is just so hard to bet against.

590
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 2: So when you're looking at very similar players, that's something

591
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 2: I can use as maybe a tiebreaker. I just have

592
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,679
Speaker 2: Devers as a slight downgrade from these two right now,

593
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 2: because when you get to spring training and you had

594
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 2: a chronic injury that you played through and played pretty

595
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 2: well through last year, I'll say too, and it's still

596
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 2: a problem in the early weeks of spring training, that

597
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 2: doesn't give me a lot of confidence that there's not

598
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 2: something more problematic on the horizon. So I look at

599
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 2: Devers and think maybe last year is a more accurate

600
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,120
Speaker 2: reflection of who he's going to be, if those shoulders

601
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 2: are going to just bother him all season long again,

602
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,719
Speaker 2: not that worried about moving off third base and him

603
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 2: being frustrated about that. I think that's he's there to hit,

604
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,440
Speaker 2: and I think he's ultimately going to realize that. And

605
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 2: I think winning is a lot more fun than not winning.

606
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,199
Speaker 2: And their best lineup is probably playing Alex Bregman at

607
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 2: third and using Devers a lot more as a DH.

608
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,639
Speaker 2: So yeah, I look at that group and that's the

609
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 2: that's the main separator between them right now. It's just

610
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,640
Speaker 2: like Child's got the slightly longer track record than Riley

611
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 2: and he runs. Devers just doesn't seem like he's completely healthy.

612
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 2: And we're talking about this in the first week of March.

613
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,199
Speaker 1: Both shoulders have had problems with both shoulders. I mean

614
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 1: that you got to start worrying a little bit. I

615
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: think that with the whole position thing, Devers will realize eventually.

616
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,199
Speaker 1: I agree with you there that like he's there to hit,

617
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,120
Speaker 1: he's not there so he can win a Gold Glove

618
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 1: at third base. And he's locked up until he's I

619
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 1: believe thirty five or thirty six, so it's not like

620
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 1: he's going to get another big, long term contract after this.

621
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 1: I don't think it really matters where he's where he

622
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 1: is in the field, Jeff, where do you land on

623
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 1: this one?

624
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 3: Same order as DVR. Joe Shehihen wrote in his Zoos

625
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 3: letter when this thing flared up about Devers not wanting

626
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 3: to move off at third base, titled it that's what

627
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,400
Speaker 3: the money's for, you know, after the great mad Men scene.

628
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 3: And he's absolutely right, you know, shut up and help

629
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 3: your team win. You got paid already, so you need that.

630
00:26:58,080 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 3: I think this hangs over the team for a while.

631
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:03,239
Speaker 3: I think this is something that is a negative effect. Uh,

632
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 3: he's not playing for a contract, so it's nothing of

633
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 3: that nature either. I also tried not to draft any

634
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 3: of these three where they go. I would go a

635
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 3: shadow if I was gonna go one of them there.

636
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 3: But more often than not, you know, maybe I've already

637
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 3: taken the advantage of like a Sodo dropping or or

638
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 3: for that matter, Jordan Albert is dropping. So I'm missing

639
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 3: a little bit of speed. I'm either looking for speed

640
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 3: or I'm looking for a pitcher in this spot. I

641
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 3: when I got when I did get William contraras when uh,

642
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 3: when DVR took him, I pivoted a pitcher. I would

643
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 3: I would have done that even if like Riley was

644
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 3: sitting there for me, or Devers was sitting there for me.

645
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 3: I think that's the route I would have gone. Still,

646
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 3: so because I like other third basement downstream a little

647
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 3: bit more. I like, uh, the two guys were gonna

648
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 3: be talking about in our next battle, but also Jake

649
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 3: Berger I like, I like Bregman in Boston. I think

650
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,159
Speaker 3: there's one one more good year, at least out of him.

651
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 3: I think he landed in the absolute right spot. And

652
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 3: I end up on a Juenio Suarez often as well.

653
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 1: Not somebody that's talking about a lot. Asuarez was ridiculous

654
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 1: in the second half last year. It was the best

655
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,159
Speaker 1: stretch of his career. I think I agree on the

656
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:09,919
Speaker 1: order here that it's Machado at the top, and then

657
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: it's Riley, although it's close, and then there's a slightly

658
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: bigger gap between him endeavors there. You know, I never

659
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,400
Speaker 1: know how much to factor in the whole mental aspect

660
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: of things when players are mad TV are you had

661
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 1: it with Corbyn Burns last year the year before where

662
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: there was an arbitration battle debate and then it seemed

663
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: like he wasn't happy, he wasn't and then the performance

664
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 1: kind of lagged behind a little bit that season. That

665
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 1: could just be anecdotal stuff, but you do wonder about

666
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: how much stuff gets into players heads when there's some

667
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 1: discontent within the team there. Does that go into your

668
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: evaluations at all, DVR, not just with the situation, but

669
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 1: for any situations.

670
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I try to get a read on

671
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 2: that as best I can. I guess, in the example

672
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 2: of the Burn situation, you know, being frustrated about how

673
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 2: arbitration played out, I kind of feel like that's more

674
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 2: of a motivating chip on my shoulder going to come

675
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 2: out and do everything I can do to go get

676
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 2: a free agent, big free agent deal and leave like

677
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 2: that was that all seemed like that was pretty much

678
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 2: written on the wall in that situation. It's it's hard

679
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,479
Speaker 2: when we're on the outside looking in. We're going on reports,

680
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 2: trying to trust the best beat writers that are there

681
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 2: every day and trying to make sure that you know

682
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 2: what's being reported is actually a problem in some of

683
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 2: these cases, right, It varies pretty wildly, I think from

684
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 2: person to person, from clubhouse to clubhouse. So I try

685
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 2: to account for it, but I feel like it's a

686
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 2: it's a weakness in my game. If there's a skill

687
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 2: to be gained from it.

688
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: That's that's totally fair. Let's move on to the other

689
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 1: one here, and this is the two young and ascending

690
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 1: targets a third base, both of their prices arising, one

691
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: of them more so than the other. So this one,

692
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: within a couple of weeks, people won't be saying, Junior

693
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: Cameron Aro is going in the third round of my league?

694
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 1: What are you talking about? But Junior Cameranaro and Mark

695
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: Fiento's roughly around pick one hundred, generally a little bit earlier.

696
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: We'll kick it to you, Jeff for this one. You

697
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: buying into the hype of Junior Cameronaro.

698
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 3: I am. I think that this will be the last

699
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 3: year we'll get them in anything below fit. I think

700
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 3: this is one of a total star in the making,

701
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 3: able to hold his own at twenty at the big

702
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 3: league level. You know, defense isn't a problem with him

703
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 3: as opposed to Vientos, which I think is something we'll

704
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 3: have to watch for in the future. Add in the

705
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 3: fact that he's going to get a ballpark improvement over

706
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 3: the next two years in terms of how the ball

707
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 3: should carry you. Now, if he were left handed, even

708
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 3: be more of a benefit, but I still think he

709
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,959
Speaker 3: benefits by that. The humidity there. I think that's all

710
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 3: going to work in canon Eero's favor. I want to

711
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 3: be on board the train. Yeah, I'm already seeing him,

712
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 3: Like you know, I play a lot of NBC League

713
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 3: formats and I'm seeing him going around pick seventy five

714
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 3: there already. So yeah, there's a lot of helium associated

715
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 3: with him. Nothing against against Biento's. I love Viento's too,

716
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,479
Speaker 3: and if I miss miss out on Kennero, I'll take

717
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 3: Biento's in the next round. But I think there's a

718
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 3: rounds worth of difference between the two.

719
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the strikeout rate with Viento's is a concern.

720
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 1: The lineup is probably a little bit better in New York.

721
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: Not probably, it is better, Yeah, but well the ballpark

722
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: may be negate some of that with Tampa DVR. Are

723
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: you landing on this one.

724
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 2: I've got Junior Cameron Aro ranked probably about twenty spots

725
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 2: ahead of Ventos on my overall hitter rankings, And I

726
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 2: realized that the fallacy can be that you're hoping for

727
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 2: the season. Mark Ventos just had as like a median

728
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 2: sort of outcome from Camanaro, but you're paying the premium

729
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 2: because Junior Camanaro's ceilings should be higher. Projections give you

730
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 2: probably a twenty point edge in batting average. With Junior Camonaro,

731
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 2: I think he's going to hit in the heart of

732
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 2: that lineup. Vento's might slide a little further down just

733
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 2: because there's more quality in the Mets lineup as it's built.

734
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 2: But man, I keep thinking about the way Steinbrenner Field's

735
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 2: gonna play compared to the Trop, and it's not making

736
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 2: me run away from Raised pictures because I think that's

737
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 2: a good group of pictures, but I think their top

738
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 2: end bats have a higher ceilings as a result of

739
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 2: not playing in a place that's generally very difficult to hit.

740
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 2: We know the Trop boosts strikeouts and suppresses runs. It's

741
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 2: a very challenging environment for hitters to deal with. So

742
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 2: two thumbs up on Junior Cameronaro, and I think picks

743
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 2: seventy five. I don't know about you, guys, but that's

744
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 2: the rain. Like that end a round five. If I've

745
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 2: gone pretty boring with my build up to that point,

746
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 2: I'm happy to take more risk on if I draft

747
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 2: a guy in the fifth round and he gives me

748
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 2: ninth or tenth round value that's not going to ruin

749
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 2: my season, And I'm getting the possibility of having someone

750
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 2: who might be a second or third rounder next year

751
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 2: on my team. So I think that's that's why I'm

752
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 2: comfortable taking on that extra risk and sort of dreaming

753
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 2: on the potential showing up in twenty twenty five with

754
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 2: a player like Junior cam and Arrow.

755
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 1: So with the hype train on cam and Arrow, where

756
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 1: would the price have to get to make you tap out? Where?

757
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: What would be the point where you say, Okay, somebody

758
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: else can can take this chance on him?

759
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, go ahead, Jeff, I was just going to say,

760
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 3: probably around pick fifty or so, like if he goes

761
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 3: into where Royce Lewis was going last year, that's probably

762
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 3: too much.

763
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

764
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 3: That's fair.

765
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 2: I would agree, because I think a lot of the

766
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 2: pictures I still like as sp ones are available then,

767
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 2: so I'm giving up a lot of value by passing

768
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 2: got a picture to take him there. I think even

769
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 2: some of the bats that go in that if you

770
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 2: get him up closer to the Wyatt Langford territory and

771
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 2: even Langford's creeping up himself. I think there's to me,

772
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 2: there's more categorical balance than some of the players that

773
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 2: go around that pick forty five, pick fifty range. So

774
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 2: that's probably where I would back out completely for redraft purposes,

775
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 2: even though the long term ceilings phenomenal.

776
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: All right, we are all in. It seems like wheels

777
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 1: up for Cameron Aro. You know, sometimes the players just

778
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 1: get super hyped in spring and then they fall on

779
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: their face a little bit. But this doesn't feel like

780
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: that situation between his talent between the ballpark. I really

781
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: like the raised lineup around him. I think this is

782
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: a good spot, and I understand what you said about

783
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 1: we're kind of hoping that he has a Viiento's type

784
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: of season. But the upside for Cameron Aro is the

785
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: first round second round player, and I don't think Vanto's

786
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: can get there, even what the great lineup he has

787
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,320
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Speaker 1: smarter today. All right, guys, we're down to the final

804
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: position and that is shortstop and we're gonna go inside

805
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 1: of the top one hundred. Here we're kind of going

806
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 1: in and out. But this one is O'Neil Cruz and

807
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 1: CJ Abrams. I have kind of mixed feelings on both

808
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 1: of them at DVR. I'll kick this one to you.

809
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 2: I like go to you A Cruz a lot more

810
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 2: than CJ Abrams, and I'm not against cj Abrams at all.

811
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 2: I think there's a reason to believe he could still

812
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 2: take a few steps forward. But the main thing for

813
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 2: me with O'Neil Cruz, he does enough damage to get

814
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,280
Speaker 2: away with the high k rates, So if he stays

815
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 2: at a thirty percent k rate, that's fine. I think

816
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 2: he had a little bit better against lefties last year,

817
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 2: so he's less of a liability, less likely to fall

818
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 2: into a platoon, and that team has no business platooning

819
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 2: O'Neal Cruz. Look at that depth, Shart, you can't possibly

820
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 2: justify have him out of the lineup on a day

821
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,439
Speaker 2: where he's healthy other than just like needing a little

822
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 2: bit of maintenance. I think the other part of O'Neal

823
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 2: Cruz's game that could still take another step forward is

824
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 2: what he could do on the base paths eighty eight

825
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 2: percentile and sprint speed. So even if it's not getting

826
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,399
Speaker 2: to the power more consistently, who's to say he can't

827
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 2: go twenty forty And I just I trust that power

828
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 2: floor from cruise the ceiling is good in that category.

829
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,879
Speaker 2: The improvements we've seen with some more exposure have been nice.

830
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 2: I just I see a guy that does more ticks,

831
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 2: more roto boxes, whereas the CJ abrams profile. Even going

832
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 2: back to last year, I looked at where he was

833
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 2: going and I saw more of that sort of Andres

834
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 2: Jimenez Bryson Stott sort of player with maybe more stolen

835
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 2: base potential. But just given the way he faded in

836
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,720
Speaker 2: the second half, and I don't care about the casino

837
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 2: incident and the little suspend, I'm past all that. He's

838
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 2: probably their lead off hitter, he's probably the ever very shortstop.

839
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 2: I just wonder like, is there more power and can

840
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,479
Speaker 2: he be even good in the batting average category, because

841
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 2: I think those are two things that could really kind

842
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 2: of pull that value back down to the point where

843
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 2: he ends up being at overpriced this draft season.

844
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we've been trying to reach for steals

845
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 1: for forever really, or at least a long time. I've

846
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: been playing Fantasy Baseball for the last ten or twelve years,

847
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 1: and we don't really need to do it as much anymore. CJ.

848
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 1: Abrams feels like such a specialist for steals in the

849
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 1: third round, maybe in the fourth round that I just

850
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily feel that need to take that chance.

851
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 1: For with O'Neil Cruz sixteen percent barrel rate, hard hit

852
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 1: rate well over fifty percent. If he raised the launch

853
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,720
Speaker 1: angle a little bit and hit thirty homers, I wouldn't

854
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: really be surprised, Jeff, you have a strong preference between

855
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: these two.

856
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 3: I thought this was supposed to be an ADP battle

857
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 3: and not an ADP. I know we agree on everything,

858
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 3: you know, because I'm in lockstep with you guys on this.

859
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 3: I just what is the ultimate upside of cg Abrams?

860
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 3: You know, the hard hit metrics set suggests this is

861
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 3: as good as it gets. And you know, we saw

862
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 3: like the the twenty twenty three looks more like an

863
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 3: outlier than we you know, because even before the gambling thing,

864
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 3: you know, he was already in decline pretty hard in

865
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,399
Speaker 3: the second half there maybe coming back to level there.

866
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 3: We've seen one full season out of O'Neil Cruz. I

867
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 3: think that's one of the big arguments in favor of him,

868
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Speaker 3: is there's still something left to be attained by O'Neil Cruz.

869
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 3: There could be a trajectory that he hasn't hit yet.

870
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 3: The fact that he's going to the outfield that that

871
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 3: kind of skews both ways again, and we talked about

872
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 3: that with al Twov. They except Cruz is younger. You know,

873
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 3: this is one of those where you know there's still

874
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Speaker 3: growth to be had. I just want to see a

875
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 3: full season out of Cruise. I don't want to see

876
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 3: them messing around with them. Just put them in one spot,

877
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 3: let them hit every day, let them hit it against

878
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Speaker 3: both sides. Let him just do his thing. And there

879
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 3: is nothing stopping the Pirates from doing that. They can

880
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 3: do all the stupid non spending things they want, but

881
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 3: just getting out of the way of Enel Cruz, just

882
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 3: letting him develop as a player, is the best thing

883
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 3: they could do this year.

884
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 1: I completely agree. And it's funny because the previous show

885
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: we did, part one was Pictures, and it was Enosaurus

886
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: and Nick Pollock, and I think they disagreed on nine

887
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 1: under the ten pictures that I have. That's awesome, So

888
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 1: we'll see if we can get some disagreement here on

889
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: the last one. And it's Xander Bogarts and Ezekiel Tovar.

890
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 1: I think Bogarts really makes sense from a roto standpoint.

891
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 1: He just really balanced. Tovar for me, feels like a

892
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: bit more of a risk. Maybe it's the swinging strike

893
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:25,760
Speaker 1: rate pushing twenty percent. I know there's a couple of reasons.

894
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 1: Maybe it's the Rockies lineup around him. Jeff, where do

895
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 1: you land between Xander Bogarts and Ezekiel Tovar in twenty

896
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Speaker 1: twenty five.

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Speaker 3: I'm going Tovar over Bogarts. I'm agist here as the

898
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 3: old guy in the industry now anti my own age. Now,

899
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 3: I just think there's just this could be what we

900
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 3: see from Xander Bogart's going for. And I know he

901
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 3: had the injury late in the season, but you know

902
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 3: he was miserable in San Diego all along, but he

903
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 3: was already starting to decline in Boston before that. You know,

904
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 3: I just think this has all the auspices of being

905
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 3: a bad Pooh holes in contract there, except worse because

906
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 3: Pooh Hooles was actually good for a couple of years.

907
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 3: Maybe I'm holding the contract against Bogers, but what does

908
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 3: he do? You know he's gonna hit. He maybe hits

909
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 3: for average. Maybe this is but maybe not. Maybe it

910
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 3: doesn't come back. You know, he's not going to hit

911
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 3: for more than fifteen homers in San Diego. I think

912
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 3: at least Tovar there is an upside again, and we're

913
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 3: at the point in the draft too, where you can

914
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 3: take some chances again where if it doesn't work out, okay,

915
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 3: well that's a problem. The two hundred strikeouts are super

916
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 3: scary by Tovar, But you know what, he still won

917
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 3: twenty six, you know, twenty six and seventy eight despite

918
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,919
Speaker 3: those strikeouts, still hit to sixty nine somehow. Now gets

919
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 3: see he gets the benefit of the batting average in

920
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 3: course field. Give me Tovar every day.

921
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: What do you think you are? Yeah?

922
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 2: The corpus situation makes it much more possible for me

923
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 2: to roster a player that has the plate discipline of Tovar.

924
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 2: I mean, Tovar is one of the more aggressive, free

925
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 2: swinging players in the pool right now, but he's a

926
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,399
Speaker 2: phenomenal defender at short. He's young enough where he could

927
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 2: get even just a little bit better. You look at

928
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 2: things like the underlying hard hit rates. He hits the

929
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Speaker 2: ball harder than Bogarts at this stage of their respective careers.

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Speaker 2: I do think while I prefer Tovar, I end up

931
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Speaker 2: with a lot of Bogarts. I think I got him

932
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 2: in labor. I keep looking at Bogarts and saying, you know,

933
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 2: why can't he do something like what he did in

934
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three. He's an injury that cost him some

935
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 2: time last year, pretty significant shoulder injury that he made

936
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 2: it back from faster than expected, but he was a

937
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 2: homer and a steal away from going twenty twenty in

938
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three. He has to play every day because

939
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 2: of the way that roster's built in San Diego. You

940
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 2: got a high batting average floor and you probably have

941
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 2: useful production in every single category with pretty good balance.

942
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,839
Speaker 2: So I like Bogarts more than most, but I would

943
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 2: take Tovar ahead of him if I'm looking at those

944
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 2: two straight up, because Cores really helps mask one of

945
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:51,320
Speaker 2: the major major flaws with Tovar's free swinging approach.

946
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 1: Maybe there will be some drafters who look at it

947
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: based on how they've already put their team together, where

948
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 1: if they've gone a little bit risk heavy early on,

949
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: maybe they'll offer a Bogart, where As if they've gone

950
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,359
Speaker 1: a little bit safer, maybe that's where they'd be more

951
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 1: willing to take a tow bar. Interesting though, and we

952
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 1: finally had a little bit of disagreement. We finally got

953
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: to some but that is the way it goes. Smart

954
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 1: people are going to agree and DVR and Jeff are

955
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Speaker 1: two of the absolute best, smartest the industry has to offer,

956
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Speaker 1: and I really appreciate them taking the time today. I

957
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Speaker 1: want to give them a chance to just let you

958
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Speaker 1: guys know where their work can be found. I think

959
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: if you're familiar with our guest from last week, you

960
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 1: know you probably know DVR. But Derek tell us where

961
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 1: everybody can find your work.

962
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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, listen to the Rates and Barrels podcast for five

964
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Speaker 2: days a week now this season, so tons of content

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Speaker 2: coming out there. I've got some hitter rankings dropping on

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Speaker 2: It is over at the Athletic and I'm over on

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Speaker 2: Blue Scott's DVR over there, so if you want to

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Speaker 2: follow me over there, please please do. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to keep track of who's on the Twitter

971
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Speaker 1: and who's on the Blue Sky, but follow both locations. Jeff,

972
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Speaker 1: what about you? Are you on the Blue Sky?

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Speaker 3: Hi? I am Jeff dash ericson. Just like on Twitter,

974
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Speaker 3: I wasn't the first to get my own name there,

975
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Speaker 3: So I'm Jeff Underscore on Twitter and Jeff dash on

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Speaker 3: Blue Sky because they don't do underscore at a Blue

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Speaker 3: Sky either, but I'm overexposed. You can catch me in

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Speaker 1: whenever there's a new episode, essentially drop what I'm doing

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Speaker 1: both of these guys, and Jeff, I definitely hear you

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Speaker 1: on the overexposed front. I'm starting to feel that way

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Speaker 1: It definitely feels a little overexposed, but fantastic stuff from

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Speaker 1: Roto Gut versus the Rodo Surgeon next week talking outfielder.

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Speaker 1: But until then, everybody, take care, have yourselves a great night.

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