1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: with IR Radio. Hello, everyone, welcome to the Almost Famous podcast. 3 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:12,720 Speaker 1: Big episode today. I mean that's a Ben says every week, 4 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: but like, seriously, this is the finale, and this finale 5 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: is insane and we have the best guests I could 6 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 1: possibly imagine breaking it down with. Today. It is Caitlin Bristow. Hello, Caitlin, 7 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for taking Thank you so much 8 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: for taking the time out of your insane schedule. You guys, 9 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:36,520 Speaker 1: just a little preview as to um what Caitlin's past 10 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 1: twenty four hours have been. She was on the live 11 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:44,559 Speaker 1: show and now she's on a bus to San Diego 12 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 1: to do Dancing with the Stars Live show today, and 13 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: she did so many interviews and I'm probably probably a 14 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:52,559 Speaker 1: podcast of your own in between then, and somehow she 15 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 1: was able to squeeze in an hour for us. Well, 16 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry that I'm like literally on a bus 17 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 1: bouncing around back here, Like I hope the audio sounds 18 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: good for all of your listeners, because I am I 19 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: hots it is. It sounds good. It's funny because we 20 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 1: get bios for everybody. Stept that I don't really need 21 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: a bio for you. And it's just like these are 22 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: the things that Caitlin has going on her life as 23 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: a constant. In addition to you know, being the Bachelorette 24 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: House for the past few seasons, she has her podcast 25 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: Off the Vine or Scrunching Hair accessory company, Do Edit, 26 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 1: her wine label, Spin Sparrows, and the Dancing with the 27 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: Stars Live toor so like, yeah, it's this girl just 28 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: does it all. And you are an amazing business woman 29 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: and I'm so proud of you. Okay, thank you. You're 30 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: the most perfect person to have here today. Like I said, 31 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 1: because you said last week in your interview with Clayton 32 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 1: that there are some ways that you can relate to him. 33 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 1: So can we like just hit it off the bat? Um? 34 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: You had a little controversion in your season because um, 35 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: yeah there was like some outing you sleeping with you 36 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: know people, And how do you feel how do you 37 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 1: feel like this season has like it's do you think 38 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: it's just always gonna be sloppy? Is it always slobby? 39 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: If you sleep with somebody who isn't you're gonna be 40 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:18,959 Speaker 1: your final pick? I keep saying, I'm like like, Okay, 41 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: I get that there are people that come on the 42 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 1: show that are virgins who are the leads, and of 43 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 1: course they aren't sleeping with people in the fantasy suite, 44 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: but there I would like to know how many bachelor 45 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:31,799 Speaker 1: and bachelorettes go to the fantasy fantasy suite and sleep 46 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 1: with more than one person. It's literally part of the process, 47 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 1: in my opinion, to do that. I don't think it's 48 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 1: right or wrong. I think it depends on each individual 49 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: of like what they need from the like to to 50 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: figure out what they need in that relationship to move 51 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 1: forward for forever um. So I just think, like I 52 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: thought the show and I thought the viewers had come 53 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: such a long way because I obviously slept with more 54 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 1: than one person on my season and got so much 55 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 1: BackFlash and shaming and all of that that came with it. 56 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: But then kind of Brown sleeps with you know, more 57 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 1: than one person and four times in a windmill, and 58 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: everyone was cheering for her, and I was like, yes, 59 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:16,359 Speaker 1: sex positive, here we go, like we're finally coming around, 60 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: and like everyone was like he locks fun and I 61 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: was like yes, and I like loved that people were 62 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 1: accepting of it. And now Payton does it and because 63 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 1: again it's like I don't know. I don't know why, 64 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 1: but everyone's like shaving him for it, and he I 65 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 1: just think he's like in over his head with falling 66 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 1: in love with people. Like I think he's just he's 67 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: just in over his head. That's the best way I 68 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: can explain it, Okay, except for my issue, and Ben 69 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: and I have made it super clear over the past 70 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: few weeks. Was not him sleeping with everyone or two 71 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: of them. It was the way he spoke to Susie. Yes, 72 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: one thousand percent, And I just don't know if I 73 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: could get over that. Um, I totally agree with you. 74 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: I and he knows that, like he said to me 75 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: watching it back, he was like, I totally handled that poorly, 76 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: like he said, he didn't guess light. I'm I agree. 77 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 1: And then some people have told me, like that term 78 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 1: is so overused now that you're using it like me, 79 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: like I use it in an interview in the two 80 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: general sense, but like if you really look at the 81 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 1: psychological definition of it, maybe he wasn't. And I'm like, okay, sorry. 82 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 1: What I mean then is that it was like manipulative. 83 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:40,840 Speaker 1: It was manipulative. It really was, And and I think 84 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 1: he knows that watching it back, But I always have 85 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: to give people the benefit of the doubt. Not that 86 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 1: I think anyone should be excused for talking to anyone 87 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 1: like that, but I will say that when you are 88 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: at the end of that journey in that place, especially Clayton, 89 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:58,679 Speaker 1: he is so emotional, He is an absolute train wreck. 90 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: He is just like at this point, I feel like 91 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 1: he doesn't even know who he is, where he is, 92 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: what he feels. And so I think he was just 93 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:11,719 Speaker 1: like so emotionally drained, and I think and I think 94 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 1: he told me this on my podcast, that he had 95 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 1: this feeling that Susie wanted to be the bachelorette, so 96 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: he was told us the same thing, And like, I 97 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:24,719 Speaker 1: can understand. I can understand watching it back with that mentality, 98 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:28,720 Speaker 1: you're literally just questioning everyone and every intention and you're 99 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 1: like do I even know these people? And like who 100 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:32,720 Speaker 1: are you? And like I don't have my family, I 101 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 1: don't have my friends. Like you're just such a mess 102 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:38,479 Speaker 1: at that point that like you probably aren't acting the 103 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: way you usually would in real life. Yeah, yeah, I understand. 104 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 1: But at the same time, it was a rough that. 105 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: You know, we we left off last week rough and 106 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: now we enter this week with another questionable decision. I 107 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: suppose well when he asked, you know, and he kind 108 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: of like begs boat girl to stay um at the 109 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: road ceremony. But first I want to ask you two questions. First, 110 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 1: do you think that he really is in love with 111 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 1: these girls, all three of them? Or is he in 112 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 1: lust with all three of them? Um? Probably lust? I 113 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: mean I I just always you know, I've been in 114 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: that position, and it's like, how if you love someone 115 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: like you know all of their flaws and you love 116 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 1: them for their flaws and their insecurities and their mistakes 117 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 1: and their good times and they're bad times and their 118 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: ups and downs, and you don't know someone well enough 119 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 1: to be fully in love with them on that show, um, 120 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 1: but you can definitely fall in love and be in lust. Um. 121 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: So I think it's probably lust for all three of them. 122 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 1: Because I don't want to speak for him, but I 123 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: don't think he has much life experience, like with like 124 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:58,719 Speaker 1: relationships and seeing the world and going through like you know, 125 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:01,279 Speaker 1: what a lot of people have before they find the 126 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: love of their life. So I think he really has 127 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: three great women that I like. Don't fault him for 128 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: falling for all of them because they seem incredible. Um, 129 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: and I think he's just like, what have I Like, 130 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 1: what have I gotten myself into? Because I really I 131 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: think he's falling in love with all three of them, 132 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: but it's probably lost. Yeah, Okay, that completely leads me 133 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: into my next question. He's the second Bachelor we've had 134 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: in a row who has had basically no experience with 135 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 1: the franchise. Did not you know, Matt James nubi completely 136 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: and then Clayton. I mean what was he there for 137 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 1: two weeks on Michelle season? Like filming wise, probably about 138 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: two weeks, so practically no experience, doesn't know how it. 139 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 1: I saw Blake talking on Twitter and Instagram about how 140 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: he was like, he has no he doesn't have like 141 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 1: the empathy for these women that a normal quote normal 142 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: lead who made it top three would have. Who knows 143 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: how difficult being in the top three is. So is 144 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: this just like a big learning lesson for ABC that 145 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: they need to be casting for like a quote successful season, 146 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: be casting some somebody who has experienced or is it 147 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: or is this great TV? And and we are and 148 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: then like the production and all that doesn't care whether 149 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: it leads in happily ever after. Well, I mean it's 150 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:34,959 Speaker 1: in I don't know if great TV would also show 151 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: in the numbers the numbers and the rains are down. 152 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: So yeah, so it's it's fascinating to think of it 153 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 1: from that point of view, where, um, you know, is 154 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:45,839 Speaker 1: it great TV because the ratings are down or is 155 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 1: that just because everyone is like watching Netflix now or like, 156 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 1: I don't know, but I have thought that this season 157 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:55,599 Speaker 1: wasn't like it was. I always say it's hard to 158 00:08:55,679 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 1: root for somebody if you don't know that well enough, Like, yeah, 159 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: so it's it was hard to root for him because 160 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 1: you're like, well, I don't really know you and I 161 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 1: don't know much about you from the last season. Um, 162 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 1: so it's hard to root for them to find somebody 163 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: when you don't know them very well. Um. But I 164 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:16,680 Speaker 1: think every season is a learning lesson for ABC because 165 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: they're always gonna like, you know, every season is going 166 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: to have something. But I also want to know are 167 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 1: we holding these people to such high standards? Like why 168 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 1: do we expect Clayton to navigate this perfectly and not 169 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: make mistakes and not fall for all these incredible women? 170 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: Like why are we having these crazy expectations of him? Um, 171 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 1: just because he is the Bachelor. That's true. It's like 172 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:46,199 Speaker 1: people want the lead to just know to follow the formula, 173 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: the standard formula, because then they get so annoyed when 174 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:52,839 Speaker 1: they don't, because just look at it like Ari Peter, 175 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: that all of them. It's just like people get so 176 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 1: angry when you don't go by the book. But then 177 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 1: then if you went by the book, if you yeah, yeah, 178 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: It's it's so interesting, Like it's the world that we 179 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: live in is such a like damned if you do, 180 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 1: damned if you don't. World. And like I was even 181 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 1: thinking about when I was reading tweets last night from 182 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 1: being on TV for like what thirty seconds? Um, people 183 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:22,439 Speaker 1: were like, you, what did you do to her face? 184 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 1: And that's like a very common thing I get. But 185 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: I'm like, man, if I didn't do anything in my face, 186 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: people will be like, oh, I fe looks so old 187 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: you've had work done or you're old when you look old. 188 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's so funny. I mean same here 189 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:40,199 Speaker 1: on the podcast. It's just like, oh, you asked the 190 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 1: hard questions and then people are like, oh if they 191 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:44,839 Speaker 1: were so mean, you don't ask the questions. It's like, oh, 192 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: they're terrible interview. They didn't ask, we wanted to know. Yeah, 193 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 1: I've heard. I read one review on my podcast that 194 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 1: I'm too nice to everybody, and I was like, what 195 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 1: now I'm too nice? No, I think you are too nice. 196 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: And compare is into like our interviews last week with 197 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:06,319 Speaker 1: yours with Clayton and ours with Clayton, everybody preferred ears. Well, 198 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:10,239 Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's just different perspectives because obviously 199 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: I've been in his shoes, and but then I love 200 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 1: you twice. That's so fair. I didn't even think about that. 201 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 1: You guys are like perfect compliments. Yeah, it's so yeah, 202 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 1: I don't know. It's just such a tough world with 203 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: um everybody's got an opinion, and like I feel bad 204 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:33,680 Speaker 1: for Clayton just because I do think he handled that 205 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 1: one situation very poorly, and like people take it so 206 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 1: seriously that they're like like they're acting like he like 207 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 1: ran over somebody's puppy. Like they're like, he he he 208 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 1: made mistakes, he didn't like kill somebody, and they're like 209 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:55,319 Speaker 1: he deserves to die, like dramatic. Okay, So that's interesting 210 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: that you say that, because last week I have to 211 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 1: admit I was pretty fired up. I really didn't like 212 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: the way that he spoke to her. This episode, I 213 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: had way more empathy for him. I was feeling kind 214 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: of bad because he just seemed so lost, like he 215 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:12,319 Speaker 1: seemed dumb to the process. Do you know what I mean? 216 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 1: And what I mean like like you just said, you 217 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: don't have to be perfect of the process, but like wow, 218 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 1: just all over the place, And there's definitely an ego 219 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 1: thing at play. There was an ego thing I played 220 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 1: last week, and there's definitely one here where it's kind 221 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 1: of like it's all about me and my feelings, you know, 222 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: and he and he's kind of dragging them on for 223 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 1: the ride. And I think his answer to that, and 224 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 1: I don't want to put words in his mouth, but 225 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 1: like last week, he was big on the whole like compartmentalizing, 226 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:48,559 Speaker 1: where he was like, these are like different relationships for me, 227 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: and I was just you know, exploring each of them individually. 228 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 1: I think it's you know, it could be could be 229 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 1: that well that you can do that to a fault, 230 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 1: and I you know, you can literally compartmentalized too well 231 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 1: and hurt people and hurt yourself because you're like, well, 232 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 1: I'm in this moment and I'm going to forget everybody 233 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 1: else right now because I'm gonna, you know, give my 234 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 1: full attention to this person. That's what they deserve. But 235 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: when you do that, you're literally hurting so many other people. 236 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:19,839 Speaker 1: I think that was like such a big part of 237 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:24,839 Speaker 1: my relationship with Sean was that that foundation that you 238 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 1: start on is so rocky that you're like, how could 239 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: you be telling the other people these things and feeling 240 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: these other things when like, I'm your person and it's 241 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:38,079 Speaker 1: so hard for anybody to understand. But when you compartmentalize 242 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:40,680 Speaker 1: too well, it gets you in a lot of trouble 243 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 1: and muddy waters. And that's exactly what Clayton has done. 244 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: That leads me into a conversation that I'm really excited 245 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:48,679 Speaker 1: to have with you, and we're going to do that 246 00:13:48,880 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 1: right after this break. Okay, so we leave, We begin 247 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: this episode at the Rose ceremony, and he admits the 248 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 1: teaser that we've seen tease the entire season. We finally 249 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 1: get it. I'm in love with all three of you, 250 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 1: and I slept with both of you, I was intimate 251 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 1: with if he Okay, so, step one, how do you 252 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: feel about him doing that in public in front of 253 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: both of them? Yeah, that should have been a conversation 254 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: that was you know, I think he owed it to 255 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 1: those two women to like take them aside and not 256 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: do it at a rose ceremony and be like, hey, 257 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: ps while you're both standing here. One favorite part of 258 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: the episode is Rachel asking um, Gabby if she was okay? 259 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 1: Like she seemed truly concerned. It was sweet. Oh my god, 260 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:53,479 Speaker 1: it was such a sweet moment because it felt so genuine. 261 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: But him, he shouldn't have had that conversation with both 262 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: of them, I say, privately, but it's on natural television, 263 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: but like not in front of the other person. Now, 264 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 1: in your opinion, having gone through something similar ish, do 265 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 1: you think that he should have even done it in general? 266 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 1: Do you think that he needed to say to tell 267 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: them in those moments one the I love you part 268 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: and to the sleeping with people a part, because like 269 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: eventually they're going to find out. So do you tell 270 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 1: him there during the process or you need to tell 271 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: him in the aftermath. And I feel like you like, like, 272 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 1: oh God, like this this affected my life so much. 273 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 1: It's it's so wrong on so many levels to be 274 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 1: intimate with more than one person at the same time 275 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: while you're trying to find love. But in the Bachelor world, 276 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 1: it's like I don't know what I want to I 277 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: want to say accepted, but it's encouraged or you're like 278 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 1: it's it's just not the real world. It's not in 279 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: the real world you would you would stop a relationship 280 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 1: with other people once you were like, oh, I'm in 281 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:00,040 Speaker 1: love with this person. But in this the bad the 282 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: world you as as the lead. Part of the process 283 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: and part of the um format of the show is 284 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: to continue these relationships. So for him to do that, 285 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 1: I don't think it's wrong UM and and I think 286 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: the boundaries should all be set before the fantasy suites though. 287 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 1: You should have these conversations with these women, whether they 288 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: air it or not, of those boundaries, like are you 289 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 1: going to leave if I am intimate with more than 290 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: one person? Like I don't know who goes into I'm 291 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 1: such a different person though, because like I remember being 292 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 1: on Crystal Seas and I was like, I hope he 293 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: sleeps with all three and like wants me at the 294 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: end of it, Like I wanted that moving moving forward. 295 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: I don't know if I would have like still felt 296 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 1: comfortable with that, but at the time so I just 297 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: think boundaries need to be set between these for these 298 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: relationships before the fantasy suites. UM. I don't know if 299 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 1: it's their business to like know if he did or not. UM. 300 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: I just think each situation is so unique, like maybe 301 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 1: some people would want to know, Maybe some people wouldn't 302 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: want to know, Like maybe those two women were like, 303 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:05,679 Speaker 1: why did you tell me that? I wouldn't want to know, 304 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:09,159 Speaker 1: Like one of those things where it's like, um, honestly, 305 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 1: I do out of mind. No, what is it Like? 306 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 1: It's what you don't know can't hurt you, And some 307 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 1: people might be like that. So I don't know. It's 308 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 1: just such a tricky situation. I hate how empathetic I am. 309 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: I wish I had such a straight answer. I was like, no, 310 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:25,880 Speaker 1: don't do that. No, No, I think I think that's 311 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: a totally fair answer. I think what rattled these women 312 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 1: the most, what they kept saying over and over was 313 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: he loves us both, he loves us all. I think 314 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:41,400 Speaker 1: they expected I thought they I think they probably thought 315 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 1: there was a really good chance that he'd be sleeping 316 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 1: with all of them, but they didn't expect for him 317 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 1: to be saying I love you to all of them, 318 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 1: But so did he do yes, I don't know. I 319 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:57,879 Speaker 1: think like that I love you is I sometimes like 320 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:01,920 Speaker 1: I think that's more deep than being intimate. I think, 321 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah, And so I think he should have Um, 322 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:13,680 Speaker 1: I think he was so easily produced and convinced that 323 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 1: this is how he should do it and this is 324 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:17,920 Speaker 1: what he should do, and that he was just trying 325 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 1: to like make television while also following his heart. And 326 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: so I I like the whole thing. I'm like, oh 327 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:27,439 Speaker 1: my gosh, how does he not, like, you know, how 328 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 1: does he bring these two women to meet his family 329 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 1: after he's like, oh, but my heart is still with Susie, Like, 330 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,439 Speaker 1: I don't know. But at the same time, it's like 331 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: that's he's probably being told this is the format of 332 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:42,679 Speaker 1: the show. You have to at least do this for 333 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 1: them and to see if they want you know. So 334 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 1: I'm just like, God, making television is so hard. Well, 335 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:50,159 Speaker 1: when it's like you're not a character, You're not a character, 336 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:53,399 Speaker 1: you're a real human being going through these emotions and 337 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 1: trying to find love and trying to make television, like, 338 00:18:56,359 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 1: it's so messy. The other thing about not getting far 339 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 1: on Michelle season is that he is an experience that 340 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 1: it comes to the production element. He probably just had 341 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 1: like no backbone with it, Like he just thought that 342 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:15,399 Speaker 1: you go along with anything that's suggested, because as we 343 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:19,120 Speaker 1: said on this show many times, there's always free will. 344 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 1: You always can make your own decisions, but like you know, 345 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: you're encouraged or suggested one way or the other. And 346 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:29,399 Speaker 1: he just went with every suggestion and every suggestion. Is 347 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: standing up there at the little iced podium at the 348 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:36,879 Speaker 1: Rose ceremony like and saying I slept with both of 349 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: you and I love all of you, like that was 350 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 1: the most produced decision. Yes, he would never and he 351 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 1: has so broken down at this point, like he is 352 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 1: a shell of himself. You can just see it, like 353 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: he doesn't know what to do. As he says, I'm 354 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:58,160 Speaker 1: so broken. Yes he is. He's so broken and so 355 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 1: he like and he doesn't on d sand production and 356 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: he doesn't you know, you're right, he just doesn't have 357 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:08,400 Speaker 1: the experience. I said to the producers at one point 358 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:10,439 Speaker 1: at the end of my season, just tell me what 359 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 1: you want me to do. I'm so broken, I'm so tired, 360 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 1: I'm so done. I just want to go home. Like 361 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 1: what do you need me to do I'll do it, 362 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 1: So he's probably you know, I just feel so bad because, 363 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:27,400 Speaker 1: like you could tell on these podcast interviews and he's 364 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 1: not okay right now, He's just not okay. Well you 365 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 1: know you you've been really open about your mental health struggles, 366 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 1: and so that probably brings a whole other component of 367 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 1: empathy when you're watching him. I don't want to make 368 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: excuses for him, like, um, because I agree like some 369 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 1: of his behavior I do not agree with, so I 370 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,119 Speaker 1: don't want to make excuses. But at the same time, 371 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: I'm like, he is not okay, So I want to 372 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:55,719 Speaker 1: give him like empathy and compassion for not being okay. 373 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: Right I know, because when he showed up to do 374 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 1: our interview lastly, he was in the dumps and I 375 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 1: felt bad. Yeah, okay, uh, let's talk about Gabby. Because 376 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 1: Gabby like had some good hero moments. She was not 377 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 1: going to give into like her feelings of love because 378 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:24,880 Speaker 1: of his behavior. And I think we all, I feel 379 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 1: like we all wanted her to just walk away, right 380 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 1: every I think everyone was gonna be like like rooting 381 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:37,400 Speaker 1: for Gabby and she walked away, and then like we're 382 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 1: all rooted for you, and yeah, and then she came back. 383 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 1: I was surprised that she came back. Uh. We were 384 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 1: at we were doing in a watch party at the 385 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:51,159 Speaker 1: coffee shop and bar Roder's yesterday and everybody started clapping 386 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 1: when she said, I will not accept your rose, and 387 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: I was like, wait, is this the first time somebody 388 00:21:55,280 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 1: hasn't accepted Oh, I can't think, I can't think. I 389 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:06,479 Speaker 1: can't think of one. Um. Yeah, that was like she's 390 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 1: she she handled tough situations like a chap. Like I'm 391 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: so jealous of how like articulate she was, and she 392 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 1: was able to explain her feelings so well. Uh me too. 393 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,920 Speaker 1: I was like I sometimes I well, I think I'm 394 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 1: getting better that every year and with every therapy session 395 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,399 Speaker 1: I have, but I still wouldn't have handled that the 396 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 1: way she did. And I was like, I don't know her, 397 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:34,639 Speaker 1: and I'm so proud of her. Yeah, I agree, I agree. 398 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:39,919 Speaker 1: And then the other side, Rachel just seems so hopelessly devoted. Okay, 399 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:43,120 Speaker 1: she's so in love with him that I'm just like, 400 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 1: can you please marry this girl? She's just gonna love 401 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 1: you forever? And she just she just yeah with without 402 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 1: like it's unconditional seeming. Yeah, she really likes since the 403 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,879 Speaker 1: get go. I think she really believe that this was 404 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: her person, and then he felt the same way. And 405 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 1: so now this is all just like coming crashing down 406 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 1: in like one episode of her being like, I'm not 407 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:13,360 Speaker 1: his love, like I'm not, and she's trying to process 408 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 1: it in real time, and she also is handling it 409 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 1: so well, but like maybe more of the way I 410 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: would handle it. But she's just the poor thing, did 411 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 1: not see any of this coming, and she's just like, Wow, 412 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:27,920 Speaker 1: this is my person, and now I don't know if 413 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 1: I'm his. I definitely related to Rachel Moore in this moment. 414 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 1: While I respected and like wanted to be Gabby, I 415 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:42,119 Speaker 1: knew that I was right. I was like that moment, 416 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 1: you know, it's like, oh God, I hate him, but 417 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 1: I love him so much that I will forgive anything 418 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 1: he does just to be with him. Let's talk about 419 00:23:52,880 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 1: the girls meeting the families after this break, all right. 420 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: I think we can all agree that the Clayton's dad 421 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,400 Speaker 1: is awesome and we wish that we could see more 422 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: of him, and that we wish that Clayton was had 423 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,439 Speaker 1: like the brain of his dad, like his his like 424 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 1: matured brain, his dad is so logical and Clayton is 425 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 1: so emotional. I'm like that Clayton's dad is like he 426 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,879 Speaker 1: was just like, yeah, of course they're upset. Yeah. No, 427 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,879 Speaker 1: Like it's so like obvious to like a you know, 428 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 1: especially like a father figure. That's what I mean. It 429 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:43,479 Speaker 1: was like the ultimate like twenty something versus dad. Like 430 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 1: his dad is the ultimate dad, Like my dad would 431 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 1: have talked to me the exact same way. But he 432 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 1: also had a warmth about him. While he was like 433 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 1: being real he was, he was just like he felt 434 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 1: warm and like I was like, this man, we needed 435 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:01,360 Speaker 1: more of him. Yeah yeah. Instead, I actually ran into 436 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 1: him in the elevator UM after UM filming the last night, 437 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: I was like Clayton's dad and then I was like you, 438 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,119 Speaker 1: well his mom was there too, and I said, I 439 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 1: know this is probably so hard on you know, the 440 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 1: family doesn't sign up for this, and it's so hard 441 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 1: on you guys. And I said, but you, but everybody 442 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:27,639 Speaker 1: loves you. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Okay, so Gabby comes first. 443 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:32,120 Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything like super monumental about either 444 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,199 Speaker 1: of these meetings. Is there anything that stood out to you? 445 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 1: It just seemed like they like the families like both girls. 446 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 1: But it wasn't like a lot of other family meeting 447 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 1: times that we've seen where the family was super into 448 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,119 Speaker 1: one person or like had a strong opinion. They're just 449 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 1: like I felt like it was very interesting the fact 450 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 1: that they just like blossed over that he almost ruined 451 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 1: both of their lives and now they're meeting their families, 452 00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: Like it was just like they just showed up and 453 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 1: there like, hey, like remember the other night that was crazy? Huh? 454 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:05,880 Speaker 1: And they like kissed and like when I met their 455 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:09,639 Speaker 1: families and it was like nice and pleasant, and I 456 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 1: was like, what is happening? Yeah? And the did they 457 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 1: even ask did they the Susie thing? How much should 458 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 1: they talk about Susie upfront? Now I'm like just not 459 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,679 Speaker 1: remembering did you make a big deal out of Suzie? 460 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,959 Speaker 1: Like he was like in Susie's gone, um, And now 461 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,199 Speaker 1: I'm moving on to these two. I guess like what 462 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 1: would have been interesting to see is the family question, like, 463 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 1: all right, well are either of these girls like a 464 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:46,160 Speaker 1: consolation prize? They yeah, they did, they did say that. Okay, 465 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,399 Speaker 1: they did say that, yeah yeah, And he was like no. 466 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 1: But then he like to me, what would have really 467 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 1: hurt was watching this episode back and feeling like he 468 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 1: was like, I love you too, Gabby, I love you too, Rachel. 469 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 1: I'm in love with these But then Susie a once 470 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 1: in a lifetime woman. I'm like, well, that's exactly when 471 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,920 Speaker 1: he started saying all this at the end of both 472 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 1: family meetings, it was just like, okay, well, now like 473 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 1: he he has to dump these other two girls, like 474 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,160 Speaker 1: he has to because it just yes, like you cannot 475 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 1: do this. That would be like it would be very 476 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:23,360 Speaker 1: Peter Weber esque, like I know that. Peter was definitely 477 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,159 Speaker 1: not as obvious. He didn't say such strong language, but 478 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 1: like all of us viewers were like, Okay, Maddie is 479 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: definitely the front runner. And when Maddie left, it was like, oh, really, Hannah, 480 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 1: and you gotta break up with her. And then he 481 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: ended up proposing, and we're like, what in the world 482 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:45,119 Speaker 1: He literally told the other girl she was number one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Um. 483 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 1: We missed a huge chunk of conversation from the previous 484 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,440 Speaker 1: section of the episode, the I Love You Most, when 485 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 1: Gabby was like, I don't want to be like loved 486 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: the most or like I need to be like the 487 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,719 Speaker 1: only one that is loved and accepted. What do you 488 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 1: think about that term? It's interesting because when you put 489 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 1: like love the most, it just sounds wrong, Like there's 490 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,159 Speaker 1: something about it just sounds wrong. It's it's like calling 491 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 1: whoever he picks the winner. It's like the winner. Right. 492 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 1: It's now like if you were to replace the word 493 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,400 Speaker 1: love with like the one that I like the most, 494 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 1: the one on the most compatible with it sounds so 495 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:29,439 Speaker 1: much different, so much different. Yeah, yeah, I was just 496 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,879 Speaker 1: on Gabby side for that one because the same. But 497 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,879 Speaker 1: I also can articulate why it's so wrong. But it 498 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 1: is either I totally agree with you. I'm like, he 499 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 1: could have put it so differently. I guess it's like choosing. 500 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 1: It's like a child. It's like you don't like tell 501 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: a kid like I love you you just like if 502 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't even know. See, I'm trying to 503 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 1: come up with the comparison and it's just not working. 504 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna leave it as it just doesn't. 505 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 1: It's just not right. It's just not right. It's just 506 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 1: not right. I mean, but what it's such a gray 507 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 1: area in the bachelor world of books, right and wrong. Well, 508 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 1: it's like in the Bachelor world, we say falling in 509 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 1: love versus being in love, and like, how many times 510 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 1: does that actually happen in the real world? Like how 511 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 1: many times is there like a phase where you're like, oh, 512 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 1: what's like date? I really like you, and then it 513 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 1: becomes there's no, there's no real life couple. That's where 514 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 1: the guys like, I'm falling in love with you, and 515 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 1: then a month later he goes, Okay, I've decided now 516 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 1: I am in love with you. That's why I think 517 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 1: that's why the viewers are so hard on the leads 518 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 1: and the bachelor of The Bachelor and all these people, 519 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 1: because they expect it to be like their dating world 520 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 1: and they're watching it because it's so relatable, but but 521 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,719 Speaker 1: it's so like not right at the same time, and 522 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 1: they it's like it's such a confusing thing to watch 523 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 1: without getting angry. Well, I think that's why Clayton was 524 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 1: so upset last week at the backlash. He was like, 525 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 1: I was dating as the bachelor in a bachelor world, 526 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 1: with which I thought was totally different in the real world. 527 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 1: But maybe it isn't as different in the real world 528 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 1: because everybody has these problems. But I was told in 529 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 1: the Bachelor World it's okay to do this because they're 530 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 1: giving me three overnight date keys whatever. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, 531 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 1: I don't know. I really wish all the Bachelor and 532 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 1: bachelorttes would come forward and be like, Okay, it's love 533 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 1: with this many people in the fantasy suite. And I said, 534 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 1: I love you, but off camera to this, but like 535 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 1: he's so Clayton is so exposed right now. Yeah. He 536 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 1: also like he just doesn't have like a connection like 537 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 1: relationships necessarily with like past, where like I feel like 538 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 1: a lot of Bachelor's they just kind of like they 539 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 1: emerge with the support system from the franchise. And Ben 540 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 1: talked to me about this. He was like, yo, dude, 541 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 1: I wanted to help guide you by like, but you 542 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 1: didn't take it, and this is what happened got And 543 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 1: I think that's why it was so cool to have 544 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,240 Speaker 1: myself and taste to there for bachelorettes, because I feel 545 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:04,719 Speaker 1: like we really were able to mentor like these women 546 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 1: and not just be a host role. We were really 547 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 1: able to help in these situations, which I think we 548 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 1: clearly needs. Well. I mean, you could argue that Jesse 549 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 1: was supposed to be that but I do think that 550 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,240 Speaker 1: Jesse took on a traditional host role, not a mentor role, 551 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 1: and you guys even had that label of mentor or guide, 552 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 1: and I think we should men. They didn't want to 553 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,240 Speaker 1: pay us because they didn't want to pay us for 554 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 1: a host role. But did they do that with Michelle season? 555 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 1: Did you pay you host role? Oh? I thought you 556 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 1: guys got to change title the second season. No, we 557 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 1: were still special guests in in the credits. Oh goodness. Okay, Well, 558 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 1: I have to say that I think that Chris Harrison 559 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 1: was very miss last night, especially, you know. Yeah, I agree. 560 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 1: It's love Jesse. He's great. He's so nice, it's so 561 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 1: fun to talk to, and I think he's done a 562 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,720 Speaker 1: great job in host ral. I do think that last 563 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 1: night he was like, dude, I don't know what the 564 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 1: did I tell you? Yeah? I agree, I think um, 565 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 1: First of all, Jesse was Canadian and I love him, 566 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,520 Speaker 1: and he's literally one of the nicest. Seriously, every time 567 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 1: he's on here, it's just so fun. I like smile 568 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 1: the entire time we're talking. Yeah, he's so great. It's 569 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 1: just Chris Harriston was able to navigate any situation with 570 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 1: like advice and um, I don't I don't know. I 571 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 1: don't even know. I just think it. Like Jesse was 572 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 1: more like umm, almost like like how insane it was. Yeah, 573 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 1: He's like, hey, I'm a viewer along for this crazy 574 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 1: ride of yours. I cannot tell you what to do 575 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 1: because you're far too far in dude. Okay, So then 576 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 1: let's just get to the conversation that he has with 577 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,480 Speaker 1: his family about Susie. Like you already kind of brushed 578 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 1: on it. But he has this realization after both of 579 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 1: these dates family dates, that Susie's the one, and he 580 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 1: he just wants to go and pursue that, even if 581 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 1: it kind of screws up everything else. And I respect this, 582 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 1: Like I'm really into this because, like he says, he 583 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 1: wants to do this, and he wants to risk losing 584 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:40,080 Speaker 1: the other girls because he can't possibly think of a 585 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:44,840 Speaker 1: future in which he's constantly questioning what if what if 586 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 1: I went after Susie? And that's great that I love 587 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 1: that decision. What I don't like well that these women 588 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,840 Speaker 1: probably had to go through all of it. Oh that's 589 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:59,720 Speaker 1: where thank you. That's that's the supporting him and being 590 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 1: there for him during these realizations but like it's to 591 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:08,760 Speaker 1: me like, that's gosh, it's so hard because the fantasy 592 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 1: sweets are there for my person. From my personal experience, 593 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,080 Speaker 1: the fantasy sweets was to literally like sex is an 594 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,600 Speaker 1: important thing to me in a relationship and into the 595 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 1: see and how you know how you feel with that 596 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 1: person in those moments, and and to me, it's like, 597 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,560 Speaker 1: you take all these relationships as far as you possibly 598 00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 1: can to feel so confident in your decision at the end, 599 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,880 Speaker 1: and that is a terrible like I always say, this 600 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,879 Speaker 1: is a terrible foundation to start a relationship on, but 601 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,239 Speaker 1: that is what the show is and things are there 602 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,680 Speaker 1: to do. Meeting the families is part of that. You 603 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,560 Speaker 1: take it that far and you introduce to your families 604 00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 1: to feel that and be like, wait, I've realized in 605 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 1: this moment that Susie is the person that I want 606 00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 1: to be with because I'm still thinking about her and 607 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,000 Speaker 1: want to be here with my family. Thank you for 608 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,759 Speaker 1: leading my thought in that direction because that's exactly where 609 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 1: I wanted to go when because I knew when Okay, 610 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,839 Speaker 1: so Ben and Nick both saw the episode before me, 611 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,360 Speaker 1: and they both previewed well, at least Ben did to 612 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,239 Speaker 1: me that like he was not going like Clayton was 613 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,879 Speaker 1: gonna look even worse. And when I was watching him 614 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,239 Speaker 1: make this decision that he was going to go after 615 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 1: Susie after the families, I was like, is this the moment? 616 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 1: Is this what people are going to be annoyed at? 617 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:36,799 Speaker 1: I'm like I can see that because you know, like, yeah, 618 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 1: he strung him along, he begged them to say and 619 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,440 Speaker 1: then just decided he didn't want me with either one 620 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:46,719 Speaker 1: of them, right, right? Is I think that it was 621 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,040 Speaker 1: There's no other way of doing it like that would 622 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 1: have helped me. I think. I think what people need 623 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 1: to think about if they are judging him for that, 624 00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,520 Speaker 1: is like, yeah, it's going to hurt these girls even 625 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 1: worse because they were dragged on for a couple other 626 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 1: days and they met the family. But put yourself in 627 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:09,319 Speaker 1: that position, like you really might need that one extra day, 628 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,520 Speaker 1: You might need to see that girl with your family 629 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,799 Speaker 1: to really know. And that's how we found out. And 630 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:21,320 Speaker 1: that's in my opinion, Okay, yeah, it just sets because 631 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,160 Speaker 1: we love these two women so much and they've been 632 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:24,959 Speaker 1: through so much at this point that you're like, please 633 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,360 Speaker 1: don't put them through anything else. But at the end 634 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,000 Speaker 1: of the day. This is part of the show. This 635 00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:34,080 Speaker 1: is part of the format. You do need to see 636 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:35,799 Speaker 1: them with your family. You do need to have those 637 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,759 Speaker 1: overnight moments. You do need to have these like take 638 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,440 Speaker 1: it as far as you can go times to really 639 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:45,760 Speaker 1: have clarity on what actually you want. Yeah, and guys, 640 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,200 Speaker 1: just think about it. That is like a normal season. 641 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,560 Speaker 1: Like these people look at the runner up. They get 642 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:55,240 Speaker 1: taken all the way to the altar, really in the altar, 643 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:57,399 Speaker 1: and they get broken up with But you don't get 644 00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:01,040 Speaker 1: mad about it because that's the way it goes. That's 645 00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,719 Speaker 1: the show. Yeah, that's exactly right, and it's it just 646 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:06,640 Speaker 1: sucks because I think we're rooting so hard for these 647 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,200 Speaker 1: women at the at this point that that's why everyone's 648 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,080 Speaker 1: so mad. But really, this is this is normal for 649 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,760 Speaker 1: the show. But probably another thing, going back to Blake's comment, 650 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,719 Speaker 1: if if we knew him better going into this and 651 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,040 Speaker 1: we were really connected to him as a character, we'd 652 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,800 Speaker 1: be rooting for his happiness. But we know these girls 653 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,399 Speaker 1: basically just as well as we know him, so we 654 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:32,120 Speaker 1: end up rooting for them even more, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 655 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:36,319 Speaker 1: just it's so true. Okay, we leave this episode off 656 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,840 Speaker 1: with Clinton saying that he's going off to get Susie, 657 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:45,720 Speaker 1: and well, we know what happens because we've we've seen 658 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:50,280 Speaker 1: the screenen nurse, But you guys will find out tonight. 659 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,920 Speaker 1: And that's all I can say about that. Yeah, yeah, 660 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,759 Speaker 1: it's I mean, it's again another fascinating episode, and I 661 00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:01,240 Speaker 1: can't wait to watch the after the final rose because 662 00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,680 Speaker 1: like I'm also be like, I'm watching this as a viewer, 663 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,880 Speaker 1: and I just can't wait to see how he because 664 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:11,239 Speaker 1: he's probably learned so much from this and grown in 665 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,360 Speaker 1: the last few months more than he has in his 666 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,960 Speaker 1: whole life, and I'm very curious to see how he 667 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:21,359 Speaker 1: handles this situation. Yeah, same, same, Yeah, all right, Well 668 00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,279 Speaker 1: that's enough of the episode. After this break, we are 669 00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,600 Speaker 1: going to go into Bachelor headlines, and I'm only going 670 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:31,319 Speaker 1: to do ones that pertain to you, Caitlin. I mean, 671 00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,600 Speaker 1: look at you, seven years removed from the show, and 672 00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,160 Speaker 1: most of the headlines pertain to you in one way 673 00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,760 Speaker 1: or another. You're that much of a rock star. Okay, 674 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:53,839 Speaker 1: see you guys in a second. Okay, Okay, Caitlin, I'm 675 00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:57,319 Speaker 1: gonna read the headline. Is he Normally Ben would read 676 00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:01,160 Speaker 1: the headline and then I would describe, you know, the 677 00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:05,279 Speaker 1: story today. I'm going to read the headline and then 678 00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:09,360 Speaker 1: you are going to tell me what it's all about, 679 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:13,600 Speaker 1: because it's about your fiance in this case. Okay, ready, 680 00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:17,880 Speaker 1: Jason Tarctic says that Clayton did not handle himself appropriately 681 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,919 Speaker 1: with Susie, but everyone makes mistakes. So what's Jason's take 682 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:26,759 Speaker 1: on all of this? Been? Oh my gosh, he's so 683 00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,319 Speaker 1: funny because I think he forgets he was also on 684 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,480 Speaker 1: the show and how hard it was, and like he 685 00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:34,520 Speaker 1: watches it now as a you. I'm like, can you 686 00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:38,280 Speaker 1: have a little like more compassion for the situation? And um, 687 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,000 Speaker 1: so he he was really, I mean he felt the 688 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:42,640 Speaker 1: same way as I did. He's like, you're not gonna 689 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:44,400 Speaker 1: He's like, you're not gonna like the way he talks 690 00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:48,160 Speaker 1: to Susie. And I was like, oh, that's so fair. Um, 691 00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:52,560 Speaker 1: but he's already been dragged on the internet. So let's like, 692 00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,920 Speaker 1: let's of course stand up for Susie, and you know, 693 00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:00,200 Speaker 1: let's say that that's not right of him just week 694 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,920 Speaker 1: that way, but let's not you know, feed into the 695 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,520 Speaker 1: hate online for him anymore than an ardience. Do you 696 00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,759 Speaker 1: think that both of our guys have a certain perspective 697 00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:11,759 Speaker 1: on the show that's a little bit different than us 698 00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:16,120 Speaker 1: because we were you know, we weren't always perfect and 699 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:20,359 Speaker 1: the two of them, Jason and Jared always perfect. Perfect. Yes, 700 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:22,960 Speaker 1: I say that to Jason all the time. I'm like, 701 00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:26,759 Speaker 1: you literally could not have had an easier time on 702 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:30,080 Speaker 1: this show. And like the way that they you know, 703 00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,400 Speaker 1: of course it's not an edit. They portray you the 704 00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:36,840 Speaker 1: way you are, but like they really just highlighted their 705 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:47,080 Speaker 1: perfection or just yes, totally second headline is juicy and 706 00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,719 Speaker 1: I can't wait to get your your description of it. 707 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,920 Speaker 1: Jason Tartik says that he and Caitlin want kids the 708 00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,640 Speaker 1: second they get married. Are you gonna have a honeymoon 709 00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:01,759 Speaker 1: baby proba? Way? I hope? So, I mean I can 710 00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:06,080 Speaker 1: only like, um, like, I can only pray that when 711 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,080 Speaker 1: I can get pregnant and that it can happen that 712 00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,920 Speaker 1: easily for us, because I know so many women struggle, 713 00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:16,480 Speaker 1: and so I hope that is the case. Um. Last night, 714 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,799 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. We were like should we just 715 00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,160 Speaker 1: should we just do this now? Like what really is 716 00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,080 Speaker 1: our wedding going to happen? What? Should we just have 717 00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:29,919 Speaker 1: a baby? Now was like in November and you said, oh, yeah, 718 00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:33,320 Speaker 1: definitely two. I don't know if it's going to be 719 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:38,920 Speaker 1: two unless you do a lope or something. Yeah, I uh, 720 00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,799 Speaker 1: did we tell you? Um? Actually wait, I'm gonna I'm 721 00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,520 Speaker 1: gonna tell you that off Okay, Okay, Yeah, yeah, I 722 00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:49,399 Speaker 1: figure I think I might know where that's going. Go ahead, okay, Um, 723 00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:53,920 Speaker 1: I really want two venues. There's two venues in Nashville 724 00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,600 Speaker 1: that I'm like so set on, and so really it 725 00:41:56,640 --> 00:42:00,800 Speaker 1: will depend on when they're available for when we get married. Okay, alright, 726 00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:05,799 Speaker 1: very respectable decision. I am so glad that he chose 727 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:07,480 Speaker 1: the venues that we did, and I would have waited 728 00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:12,040 Speaker 1: for them. Jason also talks about the way that he's 729 00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:15,680 Speaker 1: going to feel when he sees you in the wedding 730 00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:21,720 Speaker 1: dress for the first time. He says, what did he say? Okay? Okay, 731 00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:25,440 Speaker 1: so the quote goes like this, uh well, this is 732 00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:29,080 Speaker 1: from the Life and Starter style article. Jason explains that 733 00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:32,800 Speaker 1: the one thing they won't do is have first look photos. 734 00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,360 Speaker 1: No offense to Ben and Jess who did first look photos. 735 00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:41,239 Speaker 1: I not a fan, don't like them, not traditional enough 736 00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,719 Speaker 1: for me. I like the groom seeing the bride for 737 00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,520 Speaker 1: the first time that day in the dress as the 738 00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:54,040 Speaker 1: doors open and you see his reaction and he says, um, 739 00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,799 Speaker 1: he he wants the experience of, you know, seeing you 740 00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,000 Speaker 1: walk down the aisle, seeing the dress for the first time. 741 00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,400 Speaker 1: And if it's an inconvenience of a few hours of photos, 742 00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,680 Speaker 1: you know, in between the ceremony and the reception, We're 743 00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,320 Speaker 1: just going to have to deal with that because that's 744 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,840 Speaker 1: something that no one can take from you. The second 745 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:14,000 Speaker 1: that we close that wedding chapter, then it's time to 746 00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,480 Speaker 1: have kids. So I I like that your your decision, 747 00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:19,680 Speaker 1: your decision on that. I guess that's a joint decision, 748 00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,759 Speaker 1: right about having photos in between, I have I have 749 00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,600 Speaker 1: always dreamt of my dad walking me down the file 750 00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,960 Speaker 1: and my person see me for the first time, like 751 00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,560 Speaker 1: and getting emotional, because that's one of my favorite parts 752 00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:35,120 Speaker 1: to watch. Yeah, and like Seven Dresses moment you know 753 00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:36,640 Speaker 1: you have to get the groom at the end of 754 00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:40,080 Speaker 1: the aisle. Oh, it's so romantic and I just like 755 00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,359 Speaker 1: love that And I totally understand why people do first 756 00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,240 Speaker 1: look and photos like that and stuff, but I, yeah, 757 00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,640 Speaker 1: we don't want to do that. Tip from the wedding 758 00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,600 Speaker 1: pro over here, just the one who has gone through it. 759 00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:57,200 Speaker 1: Definitely assume that photos are going to take longer than 760 00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,320 Speaker 1: you schedule for them. Did you know that our wedding 761 00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,279 Speaker 1: we had to in the moment by the next year 762 00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,680 Speaker 1: hour at the reception venue because photos took long and 763 00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:10,000 Speaker 1: we wanted it to last, Yeah, longer. We were all 764 00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,719 Speaker 1: like our delayed. Oh interesting, Oh my gosh, I had 765 00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,200 Speaker 1: the best time at your wedding. I like loved every 766 00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,839 Speaker 1: second of that. That was so everything was perfect, Like 767 00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:24,480 Speaker 1: that's um, that's something that like we talked about as 768 00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:25,800 Speaker 1: like what we want our wedding to be like it 769 00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,839 Speaker 1: would be like yours. Well, thank you. That is the 770 00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:35,279 Speaker 1: nicest compliment and we can't hear it enough. Yeah, all right, 771 00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:39,520 Speaker 1: So now we have another headline. It's not exactly pertained 772 00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:41,080 Speaker 1: to people. I want to know if you got to 773 00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:45,520 Speaker 1: talk to him yesterday about this. So Rodney Matthews hopes 774 00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:49,640 Speaker 1: to find love on a Bachelor spinoff. Oh so he's 775 00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:53,040 Speaker 1: actually referring to Bachelor Live on stage because they're doing 776 00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:57,280 Speaker 1: you know, alumni, They're they're finding love like on the stage. 777 00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,280 Speaker 1: This is like the new way of there are finding 778 00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,239 Speaker 1: random guys in each city Um, the way that it 779 00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,120 Speaker 1: was pre COVID, but now they're taking Bachelor alumni and 780 00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:10,400 Speaker 1: trying to find love in like a town near them. 781 00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,320 Speaker 1: But I thought he was going to talk about paradise. 782 00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,719 Speaker 1: This is this is I don't, I don't, I don't want, 783 00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,000 Speaker 1: I don't care about who he finds on the stage 784 00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,319 Speaker 1: on Bachelor. UM live, I'm sorry, but you're not going 785 00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,440 Speaker 1: to find love. I mean, we don't want you to 786 00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:28,399 Speaker 1: find love there because you need to be on Paradise. So, like, 787 00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:30,320 Speaker 1: do you think he's gonna be on Paradise? Did you 788 00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:34,160 Speaker 1: talk to him about all about that? Um? We honestly, 789 00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,600 Speaker 1: we were too busy trying to nail a TikTok to 790 00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:40,120 Speaker 1: talk about anything else. So no, I didn't, But I 791 00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:43,280 Speaker 1: really want him to be on Paradise. Okay, he's very sweet. 792 00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,200 Speaker 1: Any other behind the scenes scoop that you got from 793 00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:50,200 Speaker 1: yesterday because you were there with Michelle Nick Claire Rodney, 794 00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:54,080 Speaker 1: is that it? Yeah? Um? Yeah, I'm trying to think 795 00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:57,640 Speaker 1: of any scoops that I got. But truly, they kind 796 00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:02,200 Speaker 1: of kept us separated because of OVID. Um oh I 797 00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,320 Speaker 1: heard that. That's still like they were still pretty strict 798 00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:07,040 Speaker 1: about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we all had to get 799 00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:10,600 Speaker 1: like tested three days before, two days before the day 800 00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:14,640 Speaker 1: of and like masks, and but then you go in 801 00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:16,520 Speaker 1: the room and everybody's there with that. It doesn't make 802 00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:20,200 Speaker 1: any sense. But um, what was like? Oh you know 803 00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:25,080 Speaker 1: who I met Nick's girlfriend? Who was so she's amazing. Yeah, 804 00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:28,040 Speaker 1: she's amazing. We love them together. Isn't he just the 805 00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:31,479 Speaker 1: happiest you've ever seen him? Yes? And just so they're 806 00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:35,080 Speaker 1: just so great together and supportive and sweet and happy 807 00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,319 Speaker 1: and it's amazing. I know. It's like, Okay, Nick, let's 808 00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:40,920 Speaker 1: just let's just get a ring on it. Yeah, lock 809 00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:44,840 Speaker 1: it up. Yeah, did you get anything from Claire? Because 810 00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,399 Speaker 1: Nick posted something about Claire being single, and the last 811 00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:50,680 Speaker 1: time we had a headline about Claire, um, it was 812 00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:53,080 Speaker 1: about her maybe hanging out with another guy from our season. 813 00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:58,080 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Okay, from what I gathered, I definitely think 814 00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:00,360 Speaker 1: she's single. I don't want to speak for her, but 815 00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:02,920 Speaker 1: that's what I gathered and like ready to mingle. So 816 00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:07,959 Speaker 1: all right. Not to wrap this up on a sad note, 817 00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:11,160 Speaker 1: but I have to. Um. The other bachelor headline we 818 00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:16,520 Speaker 1: have is that that clint our our List's death was 819 00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:21,120 Speaker 1: revealed as a suicide this week, and um, you know, 820 00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:26,360 Speaker 1: he died on January eleven, and it's just so sad, 821 00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:28,839 Speaker 1: you know, it's just like there's I don't have any 822 00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,400 Speaker 1: words for it. I mean, Caitlin obviously, you know, had 823 00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,279 Speaker 1: him on our season and I met him a couple 824 00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:38,600 Speaker 1: of times, and it's just so incredibly sad. It's I 825 00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:40,920 Speaker 1: reached out to his sister just to be like, I've 826 00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:42,920 Speaker 1: never met her, I don't know that, but I just 827 00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,719 Speaker 1: wanted to be like, I am so sorry, Like I 828 00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:51,759 Speaker 1: cannot imagine going through that, like with a family member. Um, 829 00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:57,000 Speaker 1: depression is so real. I wish that, you know. I 830 00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:00,680 Speaker 1: wish everybody had the proper resources and and things if 831 00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,640 Speaker 1: they're going through something to get help like they do, 832 00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:07,360 Speaker 1: but like I wish people really used those resources to 833 00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:11,120 Speaker 1: help them because I understand depression and mental health problems 834 00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:16,200 Speaker 1: and it's just so tragic and I just I have 835 00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:18,440 Speaker 1: no words because I'm like, I just can't believe it. 836 00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,600 Speaker 1: I can't believe it when I when I saw the news, 837 00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,040 Speaker 1: when I heard about it, when I read about I 838 00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:26,400 Speaker 1: was just sick to my stomach because even though obviously 839 00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:30,400 Speaker 1: things didn't end great between us, I truly heard really 840 00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,160 Speaker 1: great things about him from everybody else, like the way 841 00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:36,400 Speaker 1: his friends spoke about him, his family, his people in 842 00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:41,480 Speaker 1: the wrestling world, the way for him, Like they all 843 00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:49,000 Speaker 1: spoke super highly up him. And so I'm it's absolutely tragic. Yeah, 844 00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:52,480 Speaker 1: I wish that there was something than that to say. 845 00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:56,640 Speaker 1: But exactly what you said, you know, just like seek help. 846 00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:01,479 Speaker 1: Don't be afraid to talk about what you're going through, you, Yes, 847 00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:05,239 Speaker 1: and like there's hotlines you can call and like when 848 00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:07,960 Speaker 1: you're in that moment, Like I just I don't know. 849 00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,040 Speaker 1: It's so I can't ever like put myself in that 850 00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:13,120 Speaker 1: position to like know what that dark of the time 851 00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:15,960 Speaker 1: would feel like. But it must be so scary to 852 00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:20,279 Speaker 1: reach out for help. But like those those resources are 853 00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:22,359 Speaker 1: there for a reason because there are people out there 854 00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:28,160 Speaker 1: who can help you. Yes, all right, Well until tomorrow, guys, 855 00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,440 Speaker 1: then we were going to be here breaking down the 856 00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:37,319 Speaker 1: finale with Serene. Have you met Serena yet? Um? Yeah 857 00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:39,600 Speaker 1: I did. She was on the date that I hosted 858 00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:44,000 Speaker 1: on Clayton season and she is lovely. Okay, Well, can't wait. 859 00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,080 Speaker 1: I'm sure she's going to have a whole bunch of 860 00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:49,239 Speaker 1: insider knowledge on all of these girls. Feelings because I'm 861 00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,279 Speaker 1: sure she's good friends with the top three being that 862 00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:55,280 Speaker 1: she was, you know, top four. All right, Caitlin, you 863 00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:58,160 Speaker 1: are the best man, Mike crutch word really is all 864 00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:01,640 Speaker 1: right when Ben's not here, alright, alright, alright, have one, 865 00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:04,799 Speaker 1: I have one. Two. I always have like if I 866 00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:07,000 Speaker 1: can't even listen back to my own podcast because I'm like, oh, 867 00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:09,879 Speaker 1: shut up, Caitlin, stop saying the same every time. What's 868 00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,759 Speaker 1: your word? What do you keep saying? Trying to I'm 869 00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:18,239 Speaker 1: trying to think, I feel like I always say, Um, 870 00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:19,600 Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm gonna have to get back to 871 00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,040 Speaker 1: you on that one, because there's I'll be in the moment, 872 00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:26,080 Speaker 1: like I'm gonna podcast later with Katie Thurston actually and 873 00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:32,440 Speaker 1: I'll figure out what my work is still happen. Okay. 874 00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:35,760 Speaker 1: That makes me think about just just all the people 875 00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:40,520 Speaker 1: complaining about Clayton and Susie saying like like like and 876 00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:44,880 Speaker 1: you know that they say like more in the context 877 00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,600 Speaker 1: of the show because they're trying to think about the 878 00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:51,479 Speaker 1: most careful word. That's the most careful wording, and they're 879 00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,759 Speaker 1: describing emotions is already awkward. So when you put the 880 00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:57,560 Speaker 1: two together, you don't want to get in trouble on TV. 881 00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,200 Speaker 1: You don't want somebody to hate you. You're trying trying 882 00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:02,399 Speaker 1: to describe your feelings. You just say like a lot 883 00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:04,560 Speaker 1: and you're nervous, just like that's just what you do. 884 00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,960 Speaker 1: It's fine. Don't make fun of him for it. I 885 00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:11,919 Speaker 1: love you, Caitlin, thanks for being here. I've been Ashley, 886 00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:18,960 Speaker 1: and you've been. You've been okay. Thanks bye. Follow the 887 00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,200 Speaker 1: Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast on iHeart Radio, 888 00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:24,759 Speaker 1: or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts