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Speaker 3: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome home, y'all.
Speaker 1: This is another solo pod featuring me your host, Angela
Speaker 1: Raie for today. I am happy to be here with
Speaker 1: my guests, but I am sad about at least one
Speaker 1: of the reasons that we are here and one of
Speaker 1: the topics for today, and that is this Minnesota church
Speaker 1: protest that the administration has chosen to use to make
Speaker 1: an example out of protesters and journalists. So just yesterday,
Speaker 1: Attorney General Pam Bondi announced that two more of the
Speaker 1: nine defendants had been arrested. One of them is Ian
Speaker 1: Austin and the other is Jerome Richardson, who is a
Speaker 1: college student in Philadelphia. Jerome Richardson as a young man
Speaker 1: who spent his time at that protest helping Don Lemon
Speaker 1: get He's a multimedia producer and has also been pricked.
Speaker 1: His conscience was pricked when George Floyd was killed in
Speaker 1: Minnesota and joined protests. Then he knows the protests well,
Speaker 1: he knows the community well, being a Minneapolis resident, and
Speaker 1: that day he was present for the protest and now
Speaker 1: today finds himself behind bars waiting to see a judge
Speaker 1: and to see what happens as at the time that
Speaker 1: we began to record, that is the latest that I have.
Speaker 1: I asked that you all please continue to lift up
Speaker 1: Jerome Richardson and Ian Austin in prayer and definitely send
Speaker 1: resources their way so they can continue to fight these
Speaker 1: really frivolous cases. To remind everyone, this was not a
Speaker 1: pointless church protest. It was at City's Church in Minneapolis,
Speaker 1: where one of the pastors of the church serves I'm
Speaker 1: so sorry, City Church in Saint Paul serves as an
Speaker 1: ice field director, David Easterwood, And that is what the
Speaker 1: protesters arrived to protest. Joining me now is someone who
Speaker 1: taught me everything I know. And that is not hyperbolic
Speaker 1: by any sense, because that man is who many of
Speaker 1: you all have begun to call Popa Rye, so Eddie
Speaker 1: Rye Jr. The perpetual protester, the man who I know
Speaker 1: to carry a bullhorn. Whether or not it is operational
Speaker 1: and has batteries doesn't matter. The point is he is
Speaker 1: going to have a bullhorn and probably a protest signed
Speaker 1: so Daddy, thank you for joining me.
Speaker 4: Thank you very much for having me.
Speaker 3: It's my highest honor.
Speaker 1: So I want to play this clip because I want
Speaker 1: to contrast what the Trump administration does with protests in church,
Speaker 1: all church protests. It sounds like, Daddy are not made equals.
Speaker 1: So let's roll this clip. First of the Minnesota protest.
Speaker 5: David Easterwood is a pastor here. He is also the
Speaker 5: director of the field office for ICE and Saint Paul.
Speaker 5: So someone who claims to worship God teaching people in
Speaker 5: this church about God. It's out there overseeing ICE agents.
Speaker 5: Think about what we've experienced, the murder of Renee Good
Speaker 5: at the hands of ICE, a Venezuelan national shot by ICE,
Speaker 5: a six month old baby who almost died as a
Speaker 5: result of ICE unleashing military gray weapons on our community.
Speaker 5: How dare you claim to be a pastor of God
Speaker 5: and you are involved in evil in our community.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, Dad, you can hear them clearly
Speaker 1: yelling ICE out. So it has little to do with
Speaker 1: the Gospel and everything to do with the role of
Speaker 1: the pastor outside of the church. When you see that,
Speaker 1: what's your response to the organizers? Do you have any
Speaker 1: visceral reaction to protesting in church as a protest to yourself,
Speaker 1: do you think that's a no?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 3: Is that a ligne that's crossed?
Speaker 4: Not at all. Anytime you have a pastor that's allegedly
Speaker 4: is bringing people to Jesus Christ and is doing the
Speaker 4: dationally deeds that is is performing, they should be they
Speaker 4: should be protesting. And I agree fully with the protests.
Speaker 4: The pastor, alleged pastor is a hypocrite. He really can
Speaker 4: be a man of God if he is incarcerating and harassling, intimidating,
Speaker 4: deporting people who have committed no crimes other than trying
Speaker 4: to survive in the state of Minnesota and the city
Speaker 4: of Minneapolis.
Speaker 3: Saint Paul, I want to roll this next clip.
Speaker 1: This is my colleague and co host Bacari Sellers, who
Speaker 1: had a very visceral reaction to this protest and who
Speaker 1: was also raised by a protester and activist by the
Speaker 1: name of Cleveland Sellers.
Speaker 3: Let's see what Bakari had to say about church protests.
Speaker 7: I don't mind people covering a protest. My problem is
Speaker 7: with the protesters, and the reason being is because where
Speaker 7: do you draw the line. It's an extremely slippery slope.
Speaker 7: And one of the palses of worship that I find
Speaker 7: near and dear to my heart is Mother Emmanuel Ami.
Speaker 7: And in January of twenty twenty four, when Joe Biden
Speaker 7: was in there speaking, it was crashed by some far
Speaker 7: love not even far left, but some left wing Charleston
Speaker 7: National protesters. And you know, it was just a bunch
Speaker 7: of older black folks in there trying to pray worship.
Speaker 7: And Mother Emmanuel is a sacred place for a lot
Speaker 7: of us. I mean, it just warms our spirit a
Speaker 7: lot of us, and we're not trying to go to
Speaker 7: church to have it interrupted by protesters, particularly for this
Speaker 7: or that. And so I just find that to be
Speaker 7: a very slippery slope. If you're like, oh, well we
Speaker 7: can just protest ice, well, who's to keep somebody from
Speaker 7: protesting single payer healthcare or whatever it may be? And
Speaker 7: that for me is a very personal thing. I'm not
Speaker 7: trying to impose it on anybody else. That just crosses
Speaker 7: the line for me.
Speaker 1: So Dad, here, just for context for our audience, Mother
Speaker 1: Emmanuels of course, where Dylan Ruth went into a Bible
Speaker 1: study shot and killed the Emmanuel nine. So I understand
Speaker 1: the tenderness around Bakari and his statement around Mother Emmanuel.
Speaker 4: What do you say to that, I agree with Bacari
Speaker 4: sellers all the way. You know, it's one thing to
Speaker 4: have a protest. That's another thing to go into be
Speaker 4: invited into a place of worship and kill nine people.
Speaker 4: So the other thing is that crash and interrupt a
Speaker 4: meeting or presentation by President Joe Biden. There's nothing to
Speaker 4: compare the two situations.
Speaker 1: So you're saying you agree with him about Mother Emanuel
Speaker 1: the massacre, but not Mother Emanual the protest of Joe Biden.
Speaker 1: You're staying with the protesters with the Biden protest piece.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I'm just saying, in America, you're supposed
Speaker 4: to have rights to do whatever, But you know, I
Speaker 4: can't condemn people for speaking up, especially in a non violent,
Speaker 4: peaceful kind of protests. Yeah, that's the kind of protests
Speaker 4: that I advocate, and that's the kind of protests that
Speaker 4: I've been involved with over my life. There's been occasions,
Speaker 4: like when the closing on construction sites, where two or
Speaker 4: three people might get on the line and something might happen,
Speaker 4: but for the most parts, they were all peaceful.
Speaker 3: When you say something might happen, what might have happened? Dead?
Speaker 4: Oh, a fistal cuffs or something like that.
Speaker 3: Have you ever swung on anybody at a protest, Daddy, No, I've.
Speaker 4: Only talked bad to him. I've never had that, never
Speaker 4: raised my hands anyone.
Speaker 3: Would you say?
Speaker 4: Well, I don't know if I can say it on
Speaker 4: this podcast, but.
Speaker 1: Well, you like to tell me I need to stop
Speaker 1: cussing on the podcast. You have something you like to
Speaker 1: share on the podcast.
Speaker 4: Sack of names?
Speaker 3: Okay, sackphle of names? Okay, we'll take it on and
Speaker 3: want to back you.
Speaker 4: My pastor might be might be checking in on this spot.
Speaker 3: Oh I doubt he's listening, but let's keep going. So
Speaker 3: here's the thing.
Speaker 1: I want to see if your idea around protest changes
Speaker 1: when you see this particular protest. This is a white
Speaker 1: man who I probably I believe is probably a white nationalist.
Speaker 1: At our good friend, Reverend doctor Jamal Harrison Bryant's church
Speaker 1: very recently, let us roll this clip new Birth.
Speaker 6: Well, Jesus Christ, it's gonna destroy this church. He's gonna
Speaker 6: destroy this churchful.
Speaker 3: And adherent it.
Speaker 4: When he does, you'll.
Speaker 6: Destroy you with it.
Speaker 2: It's time to repanci up your wicked will raise spain,
Speaker 2: stirring hatred among the children of God.
Speaker 6: He know that won't come to tie and won't because
Speaker 6: you make your name halaughing stock.
Speaker 4: You blasphy the name of Jesus.
Speaker 6: Christ with your heart tree, with your hoorishness, your wickedness,
Speaker 6: your guiltyness, your prayers.
Speaker 4: Don't you reach the sea? You break the demons. It's
Speaker 4: time to get right with God.
Speaker 2: Look, God of the bibleists going to destroy you unless
Speaker 2: your heads, your materialism, your racism.
Speaker 6: And all of your high midnessness.
Speaker 4: It's going in with Jesus' returns.
Speaker 1: So this pilgrim that decided to set foot in Jamal
Speaker 1: Harrison Bryant's church said things like God's going to destroy
Speaker 1: this church and if you're in it, he will destroy
Speaker 1: you with it. Repent from your wicked ways, including race baiting,
Speaker 1: and says your prayers don't even reach the ceiling. What
Speaker 1: do you think about this protest at is it contrasted?
Speaker 1: Does he have the right to be there hollering threatening?
Speaker 4: No? And the man as a matter of fact, he's
Speaker 4: inferring that if you're not white, you're not going to
Speaker 4: be saved and you don't know Jesus Christ. And he's
Speaker 4: lucky that some churches he wouldn't say it.
Speaker 1: Being there for five minutes, Dad, can you spin back
Speaker 1: around to the middle of the camera.
Speaker 3: Police, come back there? You got I got it, okay.
Speaker 4: So he's fortunate because I know a few deacons that
Speaker 4: wouldn't tolerate that at all in Baptist churches. And he
Speaker 4: would have been escorted out gingerly at first. But it's
Speaker 4: been a little different a little later. But yeah, you know,
Speaker 4: that's completely different to come in and accuse people who
Speaker 4: are worshiping Jesus Christ that they're not worthy to be
Speaker 4: praising the Lord. So I think he needed to reread
Speaker 4: that book. He's carrying it with the Bible. He needs
Speaker 4: to read that again and get a better understanding. Matter
Speaker 4: of fact, he might go to the brother's church and
Speaker 4: get go to Bible study. That might help it.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 1: So in your mind, the protesters, the heightst protesters are
Speaker 1: contrasted from from this white man who's screaming, you know,
Speaker 1: threatening things at Jamal's church.
Speaker 4: To see what's happening in Minneapolis, Saint Paul in Minnesota, Yeah,
Speaker 4: you can't see anything that's egregious is happening in that
Speaker 4: church other than this one man's opinion, than this because
Speaker 4: it's a black church. That's what really was.
Speaker 6: Do you.
Speaker 3: Sorry?
Speaker 4: In other words, no, I've just said in other words,
Speaker 4: he is saying that if you're not white, you're not right.
Speaker 4: And anytime you go on to a worship, a place
Speaker 4: of worship where people are work worshiping Jesus Christ or
Speaker 4: whoever you worship, you know that should be done in
Speaker 4: a certain way. But when you have a church whose
Speaker 4: pastor is a field director for hest, that's a different
Speaker 4: story altogether. He is a walking contradiction and he really
Speaker 4: needs to turn his license in for me for preaching.
Speaker 1: Well, so I think with that, what is interesting to
Speaker 1: me about this is you know that the Department of
Speaker 1: Justice wasted no time in prosecuting not only the protesters
Speaker 1: but also journalists who are clearly journalists. If you go
Speaker 1: to Don Leman's page, Georgia Ford's page, you know very
Speaker 1: clearly that they are journalists. DJ filed pressure Sorry, indicted,
Speaker 1: got indicted, got Georgia for Don Lemon indicted, as well
Speaker 1: as seven other people including Nikima who you saw speaking
Speaker 1: on the mic on Georgia Fort's coverage, And what I
Speaker 1: think is fascinating here, Dad, is we haven't heard anything
Speaker 1: about them pressing charges against this man who was dropped
Speaker 1: in a time capsule. Well, you think they're going to
Speaker 1: press charges against the man who infiltrated Jamal Bryant's church.
Speaker 4: That man that was in beating at that church is
Speaker 4: a representative of Donald J. Trump and a Trump administration. Okay,
Speaker 4: That's that's who he represents. So anytime people seek the
Speaker 4: truth and confront injustice, like Don Lemon, miss Ford and
Speaker 4: other journalists and the protesters, they're protesting and justice. You
Speaker 4: can see what they're protesting. You can see what Ice
Speaker 4: is doing to people, five year old kids being held
Speaker 4: and separated from their parents, and just speaking of anybody
Speaker 4: and everybody, and the whole time the Trumpet illustration, especially
Speaker 4: the President saying we're going to go after the people
Speaker 4: who are the troublemakers and need and they're just getting anybody.
Speaker 4: And now they're getting ready to move to Ohio to
Speaker 4: vamp on the Haitians there. So that means that every
Speaker 4: black person in that area gotta be careful. And I
Speaker 4: guess some people are wearing their passports. Around their neck.
Speaker 4: But anytime you stand for injustice against any group, injustice
Speaker 4: was coming for you next.
Speaker 3: So I want to speak.
Speaker 1: Slightly more in a more light hearted way about injustice.
Speaker 1: But I appreciate your words and your thoughts about protests
Speaker 1: in church and when it is acceptable and when it
Speaker 1: is not. But there was another grave injustice, Dad. We
Speaker 1: were at a Super Bowl game, I believe it was
Speaker 1: Super Bowl forty nine, and there was a play called
Speaker 1: that neither of us wanted to see. And on the
Speaker 1: other side of that game, I think you and I
Speaker 1: embarrassed Mom so much. I don't have footage of how
Speaker 1: much we embarrass Mom, but I do have footage of
Speaker 1: this play, and I want you to I had never
Speaker 1: seen this before. I want you to see what the
Speaker 1: refs said about this play. It's a split screen. Let's
Speaker 1: roll this clip. I can throw that if donnch oh,
Speaker 1: They said, why would you throw the ball if you've
Speaker 1: got Lynch with less than a minute to go. You
Speaker 1: saw that fateful day, Dad, where they threw the ball
Speaker 1: into the end zone and Marshawn Lynch was not there
Speaker 1: to catch it. Before your reaction, I just would like
Speaker 1: for you to hear Marshawn Lynch's reaction, which I had
Speaker 1: also not heard, not in this way.
Speaker 3: Let's roll that clip.
Speaker 4: You see the reaction from everybody.
Speaker 8: And then as I'm going back to the salon and
Speaker 8: I go right to Pete Carroll face and I'm talking
Speaker 8: about I hit his ass with the.
Speaker 4: Biggest Why didn't they give you that ball?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 8: I have no idea and from the nobody taking accountability
Speaker 8: for coordinator and head coach, that's when they're talking to me.
Speaker 4: So I don't know.
Speaker 8: You know that shit were painful because you gotta think
Speaker 8: like you know, you took a dream away, you took
Speaker 8: a moment away, you take a dynasty away, you take
Speaker 8: away all that shit. But you know you put us
Speaker 8: in the in the history books as the dumbest call
Speaker 8: in football history.
Speaker 3: As the dumbest car in history. It says, But daddy, yes.
Speaker 1: Today, Dad, what's your theory of the case. We talked
Speaker 1: about this a lot off air. Why do you think
Speaker 1: they did not throw Marshall Lynch the ball?
Speaker 4: To be honest with you, I don't think they wanted Marshall.
Speaker 4: Let you be to more most valuable player, That's what
Speaker 4: it was. Tom Brady was already crying. He knew that
Speaker 4: Marshan Lynch is gonna get the ball and the Seahawks
Speaker 4: are gonna win the Super Bowl. Why they did that,
Speaker 4: I will never know. It was probably the dumbest play
Speaker 4: ever called in football as far as I'm concerned. It
Speaker 4: was a play ever when you got Marshawn Lynch and
Speaker 4: you go back and throw a pass and this man
Speaker 4: is capable of just winning the game for you win
Speaker 4: the Super Bowl and will never be forgotten. I guess, Uh,
Speaker 4: the coach just lost.
Speaker 3: His job and Las Vegas, yes, yeah, didn't.
Speaker 4: Do too well there. But I just say, it's just
Speaker 4: it was just so. I really think they did not
Speaker 4: want Marshan Lynch to be the MVP. If somebody knows
Speaker 4: something different, please please share it with me.
Speaker 3: But we would like to know. We would like to know,
Speaker 3: We would inquiring minds would like to know.
Speaker 4: It just did not make any sense whatsoever when you
Speaker 4: got Marshawn Lynch, who got you all the way down
Speaker 4: on the field, knowing darn well that he was scored
Speaker 4: a touchdown. But the only thing I don't know who
Speaker 4: called that play? Pete Carroll said he didn't call the play.
Speaker 3: He said the offensive coordinator called the play.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he's the head coach and he can't change nothing.
Speaker 3: Come on, man, well I think we will.
Speaker 1: We will see if history will repeat itself this weekend
Speaker 1: coming up in San Francisco or in the Bay Area
Speaker 1: at Levi Stadium. I guess my question to you, now, Dad,
Speaker 1: is who would if they were in the same exact position,
Speaker 1: who would you have run the ball from the Seahawks
Speaker 1: the same way?
Speaker 3: Marshaun Lynch should have run the ball.
Speaker 4: kW three, all right, third, k W three. Zach could
Speaker 4: do it, but he's hurt. But kW three will definitely
Speaker 4: be getting the ball as far as I'm concerned. I'm
Speaker 4: not the coach.
Speaker 3: But are you putting money on it? You got five
Speaker 3: on it or off?
Speaker 4: No, But I'll tell you one thing. They get down there,
Speaker 4: i'd show we'll put some money on it. I think
Speaker 4: they will do well the super Bowl. I understand that
Speaker 4: you will be at the super Bowl.
Speaker 3: That is the plan. I wish you wouldn't tell these
Speaker 3: people my whereabouts why Ice is on the streets.
Speaker 4: I don't think I gonna be at no super Bowl.
Speaker 4: I'll tell you that.
Speaker 3: Oh, Daddy, I think you I don't know about that.
Speaker 3: They're saying they're gonna go.
Speaker 4: Well, as long as they don't let him in.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, it's stranger things have happened. I
Speaker 3: don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I hope your president doesn't go. I'm sure he's not
Speaker 1: gonna go. He don't want to see Bad Bunny.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, I'm glad Bad Bunny's gonna be there.
Speaker 3: Me too, Dad, me too.
Speaker 1: And shout out to our rock Nation family because they're
Speaker 1: doing the super Bowl halftime show.
Speaker 3: I know it's gonna be great.
Speaker 4: And who is rock Nation? Angela, you don't know who
Speaker 4: rock Nation is? I'm a o G. Dad.
Speaker 1: Rock Nation is the business that was stood up by
Speaker 1: jay Z, Sean Carter, Beyonce's has been in case you
Speaker 1: don't know jay Z now either, And have you listened
Speaker 1: to some tracks or something?
Speaker 3: So then why don't you know rock Nation?
Speaker 4: Well? I know heard. I know about rock Nation because
Speaker 4: rock Nation and you are going to the super Bowl.
Speaker 4: I know that much.
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1: Anyway, the point is Dez Desire Perez is the president
Speaker 1: and CEO there, and she has become like a wonderful
Speaker 1: big sister. I've learned so much from her, and she
Speaker 1: does a lot of good in this world, including with
Speaker 1: the Reform Alliance with the United Justice Coalition. There's not
Speaker 1: a single thing that she doesn't do to make sure
Speaker 1: that people are taken care of, especially those who are
Speaker 1: suffering the most. So they've done a lot of good
Speaker 1: work around mass incarceration, on prison abuses. They did a
Speaker 1: documentary on Parchment prison that I showed at the CBC
Speaker 1: Institute in Tunica that I believe you saw. And so
Speaker 1: I've been able to do some work with him over
Speaker 1: the years. That's great, and she's become like a big
Speaker 1: sister I never had.
Speaker 4: So Yes, I'm glad to hear that he's doing so much.
Speaker 4: Can she also do me to the Super Bowl as well?
Speaker 1: No, Dad, Unfortunately, desire is not going to be your
Speaker 1: ticket to United States reparations. But I'm so glad you
Speaker 1: continue to be in that fight. In that fight, maybe
Speaker 1: you'll get him in the state, in the city, and
Speaker 1: in the country, especially when Donald Trump is no longer
Speaker 1: the president. I don't think he's got those types of interest,
Speaker 1: but I appreciate this moment.
Speaker 3: We love Marshaun Lynch. We shout you out.
Speaker 1: We're so proud of all your successes, all the great
Speaker 1: things you do in community and business.
Speaker 7: Dad.
Speaker 3: You know, he's killing it on his new show. So
Speaker 3: he's doing great things.
Speaker 4: Mrcals and Seattle some date back to before those are
Speaker 4: super Bowl and it's still fun because he's that popular.
Speaker 3: He's great.
Speaker 4: He's probably one of the most popular Seahawks. It's still
Speaker 4: around and.
Speaker 1: He's very funny. Oh, it's very funny. Now you're not here,
Speaker 1: so you don't get fined, but we are going to
Speaker 1: head out.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: You have any parting words for the people, go see Hawks.
Speaker 1: Well you can't see my fists.
Speaker 3: I that love you until next time.
Speaker 1: Y'all.
Speaker 3: Welcome home. Oh stay to the people. You gotta come
Speaker 3: this way.
Speaker 4: I got it, I got it.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. All right, this has been great. We're done.
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