1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Native lampod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership with 2 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: Reason Choice Media. 3 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 2: Welcome Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. 4 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 3: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome home, y'all. 5 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 1: This is another solo pod featuring me your host, Angela 6 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: Raie for today. I am happy to be here with 7 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: my guests, but I am sad about at least one 8 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:26,319 Speaker 1: of the reasons that we are here and one of 9 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: the topics for today, and that is this Minnesota church 10 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:33,599 Speaker 1: protest that the administration has chosen to use to make 11 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: an example out of protesters and journalists. So just yesterday, 12 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: Attorney General Pam Bondi announced that two more of the 13 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: nine defendants had been arrested. One of them is Ian 14 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 1: Austin and the other is Jerome Richardson, who is a 15 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: college student in Philadelphia. Jerome Richardson as a young man 16 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 1: who spent his time at that protest helping Don Lemon 17 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:04,119 Speaker 1: get He's a multimedia producer and has also been pricked. 18 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 1: His conscience was pricked when George Floyd was killed in 19 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:10,119 Speaker 1: Minnesota and joined protests. Then he knows the protests well, 20 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:13,400 Speaker 1: he knows the community well, being a Minneapolis resident, and 21 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 1: that day he was present for the protest and now 22 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 1: today finds himself behind bars waiting to see a judge 23 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: and to see what happens as at the time that 24 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 1: we began to record, that is the latest that I have. 25 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 1: I asked that you all please continue to lift up 26 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: Jerome Richardson and Ian Austin in prayer and definitely send 27 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 1: resources their way so they can continue to fight these 28 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: really frivolous cases. To remind everyone, this was not a 29 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 1: pointless church protest. It was at City's Church in Minneapolis, 30 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: where one of the pastors of the church serves I'm 31 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: so sorry, City Church in Saint Paul serves as an 32 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 1: ice field director, David Easterwood, And that is what the 33 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: protesters arrived to protest. Joining me now is someone who 34 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: taught me everything I know. And that is not hyperbolic 35 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: by any sense, because that man is who many of 36 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:12,959 Speaker 1: you all have begun to call Popa Rye, so Eddie 37 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 1: Rye Jr. The perpetual protester, the man who I know 38 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: to carry a bullhorn. Whether or not it is operational 39 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: and has batteries doesn't matter. The point is he is 40 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: going to have a bullhorn and probably a protest signed 41 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: so Daddy, thank you for joining me. 42 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:28,079 Speaker 4: Thank you very much for having me. 43 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 3: It's my highest honor. 44 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 1: So I want to play this clip because I want 45 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 1: to contrast what the Trump administration does with protests in church, 46 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: all church protests. It sounds like, Daddy are not made equals. 47 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 1: So let's roll this clip. First of the Minnesota protest. 48 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 5: David Easterwood is a pastor here. He is also the 49 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 5: director of the field office for ICE and Saint Paul. 50 00:02:54,680 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 5: So someone who claims to worship God teaching people in 51 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 5: this church about God. It's out there overseeing ICE agents. 52 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 5: Think about what we've experienced, the murder of Renee Good 53 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 5: at the hands of ICE, a Venezuelan national shot by ICE, 54 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 5: a six month old baby who almost died as a 55 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 5: result of ICE unleashing military gray weapons on our community. 56 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:28,079 Speaker 5: How dare you claim to be a pastor of God 57 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 5: and you are involved in evil in our community. 58 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, Dad, you can hear them clearly 59 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: yelling ICE out. So it has little to do with 60 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: the Gospel and everything to do with the role of 61 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 1: the pastor outside of the church. When you see that, 62 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: what's your response to the organizers? Do you have any 63 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: visceral reaction to protesting in church as a protest to yourself, 64 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: do you think that's a no? 65 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 6: No? 66 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 3: Is that a ligne that's crossed? 67 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 4: Not at all. Anytime you have a pastor that's allegedly 68 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 4: is bringing people to Jesus Christ and is doing the 69 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 4: dationally deeds that is is performing, they should be they 70 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 4: should be protesting. And I agree fully with the protests. 71 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 4: The pastor, alleged pastor is a hypocrite. He really can 72 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 4: be a man of God if he is incarcerating and harassling, intimidating, 73 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 4: deporting people who have committed no crimes other than trying 74 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 4: to survive in the state of Minnesota and the city 75 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 4: of Minneapolis. 76 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 3: Saint Paul, I want to roll this next clip. 77 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 1: This is my colleague and co host Bacari Sellers, who 78 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 1: had a very visceral reaction to this protest and who 79 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 1: was also raised by a protester and activist by the 80 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 1: name of Cleveland Sellers. 81 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 3: Let's see what Bakari had to say about church protests. 82 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 7: I don't mind people covering a protest. My problem is 83 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 7: with the protesters, and the reason being is because where 84 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 7: do you draw the line. It's an extremely slippery slope. 85 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 7: And one of the palses of worship that I find 86 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 7: near and dear to my heart is Mother Emmanuel Ami. 87 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 7: And in January of twenty twenty four, when Joe Biden 88 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 7: was in there speaking, it was crashed by some far 89 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 7: love not even far left, but some left wing Charleston 90 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 7: National protesters. And you know, it was just a bunch 91 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 7: of older black folks in there trying to pray worship. 92 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 7: And Mother Emmanuel is a sacred place for a lot 93 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 7: of us. I mean, it just warms our spirit a 94 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 7: lot of us, and we're not trying to go to 95 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 7: church to have it interrupted by protesters, particularly for this 96 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 7: or that. And so I just find that to be 97 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 7: a very slippery slope. If you're like, oh, well we 98 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 7: can just protest ice, well, who's to keep somebody from 99 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 7: protesting single payer healthcare or whatever it may be? And 100 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 7: that for me is a very personal thing. I'm not 101 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 7: trying to impose it on anybody else. That just crosses 102 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 7: the line for me. 103 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: So Dad, here, just for context for our audience, Mother 104 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: Emmanuels of course, where Dylan Ruth went into a Bible 105 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 1: study shot and killed the Emmanuel nine. So I understand 106 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: the tenderness around Bakari and his statement around Mother Emmanuel. 107 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 4: What do you say to that, I agree with Bacari 108 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 4: sellers all the way. You know, it's one thing to 109 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:09,280 Speaker 4: have a protest. That's another thing to go into be 110 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 4: invited into a place of worship and kill nine people. 111 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 4: So the other thing is that crash and interrupt a 112 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 4: meeting or presentation by President Joe Biden. There's nothing to 113 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 4: compare the two situations. 114 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 1: So you're saying you agree with him about Mother Emanuel 115 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 1: the massacre, but not Mother Emanual the protest of Joe Biden. 116 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 1: You're staying with the protesters with the Biden protest piece. 117 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:38,840 Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I'm just saying, in America, you're supposed 118 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 4: to have rights to do whatever, But you know, I 119 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:47,720 Speaker 4: can't condemn people for speaking up, especially in a non violent, 120 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 4: peaceful kind of protests. Yeah, that's the kind of protests 121 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 4: that I advocate, and that's the kind of protests that 122 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 4: I've been involved with over my life. There's been occasions, 123 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 4: like when the closing on construction sites, where two or 124 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 4: three people might get on the line and something might happen, 125 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 4: but for the most parts, they were all peaceful. 126 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 3: When you say something might happen, what might have happened? Dead? 127 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 4: Oh, a fistal cuffs or something like that. 128 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 3: Have you ever swung on anybody at a protest, Daddy, No, I've. 129 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 4: Only talked bad to him. I've never had that, never 130 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 4: raised my hands anyone. 131 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 3: Would you say? 132 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 4: Well, I don't know if I can say it on 133 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 4: this podcast, but. 134 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: Well, you like to tell me I need to stop 135 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: cussing on the podcast. You have something you like to 136 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: share on the podcast. 137 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 4: Sack of names? 138 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 3: Okay, sackphle of names? Okay, we'll take it on and 139 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 3: want to back you. 140 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 4: My pastor might be might be checking in on this spot. 141 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 3: Oh I doubt he's listening, but let's keep going. So 142 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 3: here's the thing. 143 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: I want to see if your idea around protest changes 144 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: when you see this particular protest. This is a white 145 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 1: man who I probably I believe is probably a white nationalist. 146 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: At our good friend, Reverend doctor Jamal Harrison Bryant's church 147 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 1: very recently, let us roll this clip new Birth. 148 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 6: Well, Jesus Christ, it's gonna destroy this church. He's gonna 149 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 6: destroy this churchful. 150 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 3: And adherent it. 151 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 4: When he does, you'll. 152 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 6: Destroy you with it. 153 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:25,679 Speaker 2: It's time to repanci up your wicked will raise spain, 154 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 2: stirring hatred among the children of God. 155 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 6: He know that won't come to tie and won't because 156 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:38,680 Speaker 6: you make your name halaughing stock. 157 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:43,319 Speaker 4: You blasphy the name of Jesus. 158 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:50,079 Speaker 6: Christ with your heart tree, with your hoorishness, your wickedness, 159 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 6: your guiltyness, your prayers. 160 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 4: Don't you reach the sea? You break the demons. It's 161 00:08:57,440 --> 00:08:59,319 Speaker 4: time to get right with God. 162 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 2: Look, God of the bibleists going to destroy you unless 163 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 2: your heads, your materialism, your racism. 164 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 6: And all of your high midnessness. 165 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 4: It's going in with Jesus' returns. 166 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: So this pilgrim that decided to set foot in Jamal 167 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: Harrison Bryant's church said things like God's going to destroy 168 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: this church and if you're in it, he will destroy 169 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: you with it. Repent from your wicked ways, including race baiting, 170 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:34,679 Speaker 1: and says your prayers don't even reach the ceiling. What 171 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:37,359 Speaker 1: do you think about this protest at is it contrasted? 172 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 1: Does he have the right to be there hollering threatening? 173 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 4: No? And the man as a matter of fact, he's 174 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 4: inferring that if you're not white, you're not going to 175 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 4: be saved and you don't know Jesus Christ. And he's 176 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 4: lucky that some churches he wouldn't say it. 177 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 1: Being there for five minutes, Dad, can you spin back 178 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: around to the middle of the camera. 179 00:09:56,880 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 3: Police, come back there? You got I got it, okay. 180 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:04,839 Speaker 4: So he's fortunate because I know a few deacons that 181 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:07,679 Speaker 4: wouldn't tolerate that at all in Baptist churches. And he 182 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 4: would have been escorted out gingerly at first. But it's 183 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 4: been a little different a little later. But yeah, you know, 184 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:19,439 Speaker 4: that's completely different to come in and accuse people who 185 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 4: are worshiping Jesus Christ that they're not worthy to be 186 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 4: praising the Lord. So I think he needed to reread 187 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 4: that book. He's carrying it with the Bible. He needs 188 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 4: to read that again and get a better understanding. Matter 189 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 4: of fact, he might go to the brother's church and 190 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:36,319 Speaker 4: get go to Bible study. That might help it. 191 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 5: Well. 192 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: So in your mind, the protesters, the heightst protesters are 193 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: contrasted from from this white man who's screaming, you know, 194 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 1: threatening things at Jamal's church. 195 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 4: To see what's happening in Minneapolis, Saint Paul in Minnesota, Yeah, 196 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 4: you can't see anything that's egregious is happening in that 197 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 4: church other than this one man's opinion, than this because 198 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 4: it's a black church. That's what really was. 199 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 6: Do you. 200 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 3: Sorry? 201 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 4: In other words, no, I've just said in other words, 202 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:07,839 Speaker 4: he is saying that if you're not white, you're not right. 203 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 4: And anytime you go on to a worship, a place 204 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 4: of worship where people are work worshiping Jesus Christ or 205 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 4: whoever you worship, you know that should be done in 206 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:19,679 Speaker 4: a certain way. But when you have a church whose 207 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 4: pastor is a field director for hest, that's a different 208 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 4: story altogether. He is a walking contradiction and he really 209 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 4: needs to turn his license in for me for preaching. 210 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:34,599 Speaker 1: Well, so I think with that, what is interesting to 211 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 1: me about this is you know that the Department of 212 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: Justice wasted no time in prosecuting not only the protesters 213 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:46,959 Speaker 1: but also journalists who are clearly journalists. If you go 214 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:50,439 Speaker 1: to Don Leman's page, Georgia Ford's page, you know very 215 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 1: clearly that they are journalists. DJ filed pressure Sorry, indicted, 216 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:01,719 Speaker 1: got indicted, got Georgia for Don Lemon indicted, as well 217 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 1: as seven other people including Nikima who you saw speaking 218 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:11,559 Speaker 1: on the mic on Georgia Fort's coverage, And what I 219 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 1: think is fascinating here, Dad, is we haven't heard anything 220 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: about them pressing charges against this man who was dropped 221 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: in a time capsule. Well, you think they're going to 222 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 1: press charges against the man who infiltrated Jamal Bryant's church. 223 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 4: That man that was in beating at that church is 224 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:34,319 Speaker 4: a representative of Donald J. Trump and a Trump administration. Okay, 225 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:38,439 Speaker 4: That's that's who he represents. So anytime people seek the 226 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 4: truth and confront injustice, like Don Lemon, miss Ford and 227 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:47,439 Speaker 4: other journalists and the protesters, they're protesting and justice. You 228 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 4: can see what they're protesting. You can see what Ice 229 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:53,439 Speaker 4: is doing to people, five year old kids being held 230 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 4: and separated from their parents, and just speaking of anybody 231 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 4: and everybody, and the whole time the Trumpet illustration, especially 232 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 4: the President saying we're going to go after the people 233 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 4: who are the troublemakers and need and they're just getting anybody. 234 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:08,599 Speaker 4: And now they're getting ready to move to Ohio to 235 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 4: vamp on the Haitians there. So that means that every 236 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 4: black person in that area gotta be careful. And I 237 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 4: guess some people are wearing their passports. Around their neck. 238 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:23,479 Speaker 4: But anytime you stand for injustice against any group, injustice 239 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 4: was coming for you next. 240 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 3: So I want to speak. 241 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: Slightly more in a more light hearted way about injustice. 242 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: But I appreciate your words and your thoughts about protests 243 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: in church and when it is acceptable and when it 244 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:52,079 Speaker 1: is not. But there was another grave injustice, Dad. We 245 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:53,719 Speaker 1: were at a Super Bowl game, I believe it was 246 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 1: Super Bowl forty nine, and there was a play called 247 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: that neither of us wanted to see. And on the 248 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: other side of that game, I think you and I 249 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 1: embarrassed Mom so much. I don't have footage of how 250 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: much we embarrass Mom, but I do have footage of 251 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: this play, and I want you to I had never 252 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: seen this before. I want you to see what the 253 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 1: refs said about this play. It's a split screen. Let's 254 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: roll this clip. I can throw that if donnch oh, 255 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: They said, why would you throw the ball if you've 256 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 1: got Lynch with less than a minute to go. You 257 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: saw that fateful day, Dad, where they threw the ball 258 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 1: into the end zone and Marshawn Lynch was not there 259 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 1: to catch it. Before your reaction, I just would like 260 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 1: for you to hear Marshawn Lynch's reaction, which I had 261 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 1: also not heard, not in this way. 262 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 3: Let's roll that clip. 263 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 4: You see the reaction from everybody. 264 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 8: And then as I'm going back to the salon and 265 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 8: I go right to Pete Carroll face and I'm talking 266 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 8: about I hit his ass with the. 267 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 4: Biggest Why didn't they give you that ball? 268 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 1: Man? 269 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 8: I have no idea and from the nobody taking accountability 270 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 8: for coordinator and head coach, that's when they're talking to me. 271 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 4: So I don't know. 272 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 8: You know that shit were painful because you gotta think 273 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 8: like you know, you took a dream away, you took 274 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 8: a moment away, you take a dynasty away, you take 275 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 8: away all that shit. But you know you put us 276 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 8: in the in the history books as the dumbest call 277 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 8: in football history. 278 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 3: As the dumbest car in history. It says, But daddy, yes. 279 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: Today, Dad, what's your theory of the case. We talked 280 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 1: about this a lot off air. Why do you think 281 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: they did not throw Marshall Lynch the ball? 282 00:15:57,440 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 4: To be honest with you, I don't think they wanted Marshall. 283 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 4: Let you be to more most valuable player, That's what 284 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 4: it was. Tom Brady was already crying. He knew that 285 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 4: Marshan Lynch is gonna get the ball and the Seahawks 286 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 4: are gonna win the Super Bowl. Why they did that, 287 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 4: I will never know. It was probably the dumbest play 288 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 4: ever called in football as far as I'm concerned. It 289 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 4: was a play ever when you got Marshawn Lynch and 290 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 4: you go back and throw a pass and this man 291 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 4: is capable of just winning the game for you win 292 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 4: the Super Bowl and will never be forgotten. I guess, Uh, 293 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 4: the coach just lost. 294 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 3: His job and Las Vegas, yes, yeah, didn't. 295 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 4: Do too well there. But I just say, it's just 296 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 4: it was just so. I really think they did not 297 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 4: want Marshan Lynch to be the MVP. If somebody knows 298 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 4: something different, please please share it with me. 299 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 3: But we would like to know. We would like to know, 300 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 3: We would inquiring minds would like to know. 301 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 4: It just did not make any sense whatsoever when you 302 00:16:57,560 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 4: got Marshawn Lynch, who got you all the way down 303 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 4: on the field, knowing darn well that he was scored 304 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 4: a touchdown. But the only thing I don't know who 305 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 4: called that play? Pete Carroll said he didn't call the play. 306 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 3: He said the offensive coordinator called the play. 307 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:14,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, and he's the head coach and he can't change nothing. 308 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 3: Come on, man, well I think we will. 309 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: We will see if history will repeat itself this weekend 310 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 1: coming up in San Francisco or in the Bay Area 311 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:27,680 Speaker 1: at Levi Stadium. I guess my question to you, now, Dad, 312 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 1: is who would if they were in the same exact position, 313 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:34,880 Speaker 1: who would you have run the ball from the Seahawks 314 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:35,360 Speaker 1: the same way? 315 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 3: Marshaun Lynch should have run the ball. 316 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 4: kW three, all right, third, k W three. Zach could 317 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 4: do it, but he's hurt. But kW three will definitely 318 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:48,880 Speaker 4: be getting the ball as far as I'm concerned. I'm 319 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:49,360 Speaker 4: not the coach. 320 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:51,680 Speaker 3: But are you putting money on it? You got five 321 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:52,400 Speaker 3: on it or off? 322 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:54,919 Speaker 4: No, But I'll tell you one thing. They get down there, 323 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 4: i'd show we'll put some money on it. I think 324 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:02,159 Speaker 4: they will do well the super Bowl. I understand that 325 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:03,360 Speaker 4: you will be at the super Bowl. 326 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 3: That is the plan. I wish you wouldn't tell these 327 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 3: people my whereabouts why Ice is on the streets. 328 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 4: I don't think I gonna be at no super Bowl. 329 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 4: I'll tell you that. 330 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 3: Oh, Daddy, I think you I don't know about that. 331 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 3: They're saying they're gonna go. 332 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 4: Well, as long as they don't let him in. 333 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, it's stranger things have happened. I 334 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 3: don't know. I don't know. 335 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 1: I hope your president doesn't go. I'm sure he's not 336 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: gonna go. He don't want to see Bad Bunny. 337 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, I'm glad Bad Bunny's gonna be there. 338 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 3: Me too, Dad, me too. 339 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,400 Speaker 1: And shout out to our rock Nation family because they're 340 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 1: doing the super Bowl halftime show. 341 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 3: I know it's gonna be great. 342 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,400 Speaker 4: And who is rock Nation? Angela, you don't know who 343 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 4: rock Nation is? I'm a o G. Dad. 344 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:55,439 Speaker 1: Rock Nation is the business that was stood up by 345 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 1: jay Z, Sean Carter, Beyonce's has been in case you 346 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 1: don't know jay Z now either, And have you listened 347 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:01,880 Speaker 1: to some tracks or something? 348 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 3: So then why don't you know rock Nation? 349 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 4: Well? I know heard. I know about rock Nation because 350 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 4: rock Nation and you are going to the super Bowl. 351 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 4: I know that much. 352 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 3: Oh my goodness. 353 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:17,640 Speaker 1: Anyway, the point is Dez Desire Perez is the president 354 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:20,640 Speaker 1: and CEO there, and she has become like a wonderful 355 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: big sister. I've learned so much from her, and she 356 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 1: does a lot of good in this world, including with 357 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:31,920 Speaker 1: the Reform Alliance with the United Justice Coalition. There's not 358 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 1: a single thing that she doesn't do to make sure 359 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 1: that people are taken care of, especially those who are 360 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:39,400 Speaker 1: suffering the most. So they've done a lot of good 361 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 1: work around mass incarceration, on prison abuses. They did a 362 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 1: documentary on Parchment prison that I showed at the CBC 363 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 1: Institute in Tunica that I believe you saw. And so 364 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: I've been able to do some work with him over 365 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 1: the years. That's great, and she's become like a big 366 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 1: sister I never had. 367 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:00,679 Speaker 4: So Yes, I'm glad to hear that he's doing so much. 368 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 4: Can she also do me to the Super Bowl as well? 369 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 1: No, Dad, Unfortunately, desire is not going to be your 370 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 1: ticket to United States reparations. But I'm so glad you 371 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 1: continue to be in that fight. In that fight, maybe 372 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:16,399 Speaker 1: you'll get him in the state, in the city, and 373 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 1: in the country, especially when Donald Trump is no longer 374 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:22,439 Speaker 1: the president. I don't think he's got those types of interest, 375 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 1: but I appreciate this moment. 376 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 3: We love Marshaun Lynch. We shout you out. 377 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 1: We're so proud of all your successes, all the great 378 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 1: things you do in community and business. 379 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 7: Dad. 380 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 3: You know, he's killing it on his new show. So 381 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 3: he's doing great things. 382 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:39,679 Speaker 4: Mrcals and Seattle some date back to before those are 383 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 4: super Bowl and it's still fun because he's that popular. 384 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:43,640 Speaker 3: He's great. 385 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 4: He's probably one of the most popular Seahawks. It's still 386 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 4: around and. 387 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: He's very funny. Oh, it's very funny. Now you're not here, 388 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 1: so you don't get fined, but we are going to 389 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 1: head out. 390 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 3: Now. 391 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: You have any parting words for the people, go see Hawks. 392 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: Well you can't see my fists. 393 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 3: I that love you until next time. 394 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 1: Y'all. 395 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 3: Welcome home. Oh stay to the people. You gotta come 396 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 3: this way. 397 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 4: I got it, I got it. 398 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:19,920 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. All right, this has been great. 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