1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 2 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 2: Inciting fear the health Boss assassin Luigi Mangione's charges just 3 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 2: upgraded to murder one, claiming. 4 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:22,240 Speaker 1: Terrorism was the root of the shooting. 5 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 2: This as Mom's chilling comment to law enforcement is revealed. 6 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:32,879 Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for 7 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 2: being with us. 8 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 3: Luigi Mangioni remains behind bars in a Pennsylvania prison as 9 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:42,880 Speaker 3: he fights extradition to New York City Online. So called 10 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 3: fans of the killer clamor. 11 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 4: For his release. 12 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 2: They're not just clamoring now, authorities a fear a copycat crime. 13 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 1: May be in the works. 14 00:00:55,160 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 2: But this as Luigi Mangioni's charges now upgraded to murder one, listen. 15 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 5: Luigi Manjoni, the defendant is charged with one count of 16 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:10,040 Speaker 5: murder in the first degree and two counts of murder 17 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 5: in the second degree, including one count of murder in 18 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 5: the second degree as an act of terrorism, for the brazen, targeted, 19 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:23,960 Speaker 5: and premeditated shooting of Brian Thompson, who, as you know, 20 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 5: was the CEO of United Healthcare. 21 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 2: Joining US and All Star panel experts to make sense 22 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 2: of what we are learning right now about the so 23 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 2: called health Boss assassin straight out to Christina Yo joining 24 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 2: US national news anchor with Salem News Channel. Christina, thank 25 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 2: you for being with us. Explain to us the new charges. Now, 26 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 2: the old charges were a out of Pennsylvania where he 27 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 2: was apprehended at the McDonald's. Okay, the murder did not 28 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 2: occur in Pennsylvania, so therefore he will not be facing 29 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 2: that charge in Pennsylvania. The new charge charges or originating 30 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 2: from a grand jury out of New York. 31 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:05,919 Speaker 1: What are they? Okay? 32 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 6: So, now, as we just heard, Elvin Bragg, the District 33 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 6: Attorney in Manhattan, alongside NYPD commissed Jessica Tish announced these 34 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:15,920 Speaker 6: new charges for New York. Number one one count of 35 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 6: murder one murder. 36 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:17,799 Speaker 1: In the first degree. 37 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:20,519 Speaker 6: He's facing two counts of murder, two murder in the 38 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 6: second degree, one with the underlying cause of terrorism. And 39 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 6: that's because Alvin Bragg said that this was premeditated, it 40 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 6: was an ideological crime, and it was committed in order 41 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 6: to strike fear, terror, shock attention into the residents of 42 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:37,959 Speaker 6: New York and the tourists of New York as well. 43 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 6: So that's why those charges have been outlining the way 44 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 6: that they have. In addition to the murder one and 45 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 6: the murder two. He's facing a slew of other felony 46 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 6: charges too. 47 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany Marshall joining us, renowned psychoanalyst out of La 48 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:50,959 Speaker 2: author of deal Breaker. 49 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: You can see her on Peacock Now, Doctor Bethany, they 50 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:56,239 Speaker 1: had to, and it's. 51 00:02:55,800 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 2: Very rare, especially for Bragg to take a a hard 52 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:03,119 Speaker 2: crime fighting position. 53 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:07,920 Speaker 1: Don't ask me why about that, but that said doctor Bethany. 54 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 2: They had to because the lifeblood of Manhattan is tourism. 55 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 2: What tourists wants to go see Hamilton or whatever if 56 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 2: they think they're going to get gunned down by an 57 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 2: assassinite Luigi MANGIONI, Oh no way, are. 58 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: You going to take your children to Times Square? 59 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 7: You know, Nancy, not even just gunned down, but somebody 60 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 7: who had the means to do this in such a 61 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 7: crowded area. Somebody who stayed at a hostel, somebody who 62 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 7: carried a bike battery with him, someone who discarded a. 63 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: Backpack in Central Park. This is where women. 64 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 8: And men, families take their children to play. 65 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 7: And you know what, Nancy, I'm going to anticipate there 66 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 7: are going to be a lot of tourists flocking to 67 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 7: the scene where this crime took place, so we're going 68 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 7: to have both a ghoulish quality of crime watching in 69 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 7: the city and then families who want to stay away. 70 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 1: Well put. 71 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 2: You know, Yo just explained the most recent development in 72 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 2: the Mangioni case. 73 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 1: But let's hear it from the horse's mouth. 74 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 5: We say a bit more about the charges. They include 75 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 5: one count of murder in the first degree as a 76 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:18,359 Speaker 5: killing in furtheres of terrorism, two counts of murdering the 77 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 5: second degree, one charging of the killing was done as 78 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:25,919 Speaker 5: an act of terrorism, and the second pertaining to the 79 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 5: fact that the killing was intentional. The maximum penalty possible 80 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 5: for murdering the first degree and murdering the second degree 81 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 5: is an active terrorism is life without parole. The maximum 82 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 5: penalty for murdering the second degree is twenty five years 83 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 5: to life. 84 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 2: Joining me high profile lawyer Matthew Mangino, former felony prosecutor, 85 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 2: author of the Executioner's Toll. Matt, thank you for being 86 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 2: with us now. I don't want to go to Inside 87 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:56,559 Speaker 2: Baseball to deafcom four on this, but when you say 88 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 2: the murder one charge is based on terrorism and intentional killing, 89 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 2: that's the second theory of murder one murder two is 90 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 2: also an intentional killing. Really, the only difference is who 91 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 2: is the victim when it comes to intent as it 92 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:15,600 Speaker 2: relates to murder one versus murder two. 93 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 1: Agreed, disagree? 94 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 9: Well, I agree, but Nancy, I'm a little suspect of 95 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 9: the terrorism aspect of this. I don't see how this 96 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 9: is an act of terrorism. Certainly, you know it intimidates 97 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 9: the community, But any violent crime in downtown Manhattan, you know, 98 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 9: intimidates the community, makes people fearful. I don't see that 99 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 9: this is trying to influence the government policy in any way. 100 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 2: So I think the second verse, same as the first, 101 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 2: to state can't prove it. You don't think people are 102 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 2: terrorized by somebody like MANGIONI wandering around Time Square, wandering 103 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 2: around the city, lying in wait. We now know he 104 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:06,359 Speaker 2: stood out there in the cold over an hour waiting 105 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 2: for the victim to show up. You know what, Listen 106 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 2: to brag. 107 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 5: This was a frightening, well planned, targeted murder that was 108 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:21,239 Speaker 5: intended to cause shock and attention and intimidation. It incurred 109 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 5: in one of the most bustling parts of our city, 110 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:29,720 Speaker 5: threatening the safety of local residents and tourists alike. Commuters, 111 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 5: and business people just starting out on their day. 112 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 2: Back to you, Mangino, question, you're saying the state can't 113 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 2: prove the terrorism aspect of the murder one charge. Now, 114 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 2: murder one in New York must include aggravating circumstances or 115 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 2: additional circumstances such as the victim was in law enforcement, 116 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 2: the victim was a judge, the victim was the first responder, 117 00:06:55,080 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 2: murder for hire, or inciting fear in furtherance terrorism. I'm 118 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 2: sure you, as a family prosecutor must have shown aggravating 119 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 2: circumstances before. 120 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:07,239 Speaker 1: It's not that hard. 121 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 9: Well, yeah, I have, particularly in my jurisdiction in death 122 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 9: penalty cases. But again, I think that that the terrorism 123 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 9: charge is a stretch here. You know, it's any homicide, 124 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 9: any violent crime that's out in the public square in 125 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 9: New York City incites fear and potential terrorists and other 126 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 9: crime rates it's themselves incite fear in people. So I 127 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 9: think the terrorism charge, Man. 128 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 2: Gino, I'm sorry, let me just check my ut. Yeah, okay, 129 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 2: that's working. Did you just compare the cold blooded will 130 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 2: planned execution of the healthcare boss to crime rates going 131 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 2: up across the country. 132 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: Are you saying you know what matt eh cut. Here's Mike. 133 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: Let me go to Tom Smith. 134 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 2: Tom Smith joining me, a former NYPD detective over thirty 135 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 2: years now, the star of the gold Shields podcast. Tom, 136 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 2: could you please enlighten Matthew Mangino. Okay, I've checked his record. 137 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 2: He's a very successful former felony prosecutor. I don't know 138 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 2: what he's saying. I don't know what's coming out of 139 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 2: his mouth, but to say people won't go to Times 140 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 2: Square and visit New York because of rising crime rates, 141 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 2: that's bs. 142 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: New York is thronged. 143 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 2: Okay, But this this they had to do. They had 144 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 2: to come down with this charge for the very reason 145 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:33,959 Speaker 2: of tourists, of the well being of. 146 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: The citizens, of the credibility. 147 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 2: If Brad can try to get credibility with the citizens. 148 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 2: They had to do a murder one charge and gunning 149 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 2: somebody down in cold blood because of a titular reason. 150 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:54,199 Speaker 2: The title like, you go down to judge because they're 151 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 2: a judge. You go down a cop because he she 152 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:00,679 Speaker 2: is a cop. You gun down this guy, Ryan Thompson 153 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:05,439 Speaker 2: because he's the head of United Healthcare. That is terrorism. 154 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 2: There's a big difference. I've gone taking the children to 155 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 2: go see plays and go skating at Rockefeller Center and 156 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 2: woman without fear of terrorism. 157 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 10: No, I think it's a correct charge because, first of all, 158 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:22,680 Speaker 10: it's precedent setting for any possible copycats out there. 159 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 4: Now. 160 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 10: The highest charge that New York can bring was brought 161 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 10: against him, and it did intimidate the public, and not 162 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 10: only just the public in general, every CEO in his 163 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 10: country felt fear and was frightened by this and took 164 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 10: steps security wise with then their families. Not just in 165 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 10: the healthcare system, but every CEO in this country was 166 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 10: now under the intimidation of a murder like that. So 167 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 10: I think going forward, it's the right charge, and it's 168 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 10: going to have a ripple effect with any possible copycats 169 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:55,959 Speaker 10: that He's going. 170 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:56,319 Speaker 4: To go on. 171 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace joining me. 172 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 2: Cheryl McCollum, founded director of Cold Case Research Institute and 173 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:17,479 Speaker 2: star of the hit series Zone seven podcasts, Cheryl. 174 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:19,319 Speaker 1: What in the Hey? 175 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 4: Tom is absolutely right? Every single CEO in the Fortune 176 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 4: five hundred industries have changed the way they do business. 177 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 4: He had a homemade weapon that he kept because I 178 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 4: believe he wasn't finished, and he also talked about bombs 179 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 4: he also had specific, you know, a target, but the 180 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 4: fact that he would make weapons, talk about other weapons 181 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 4: of mass destruction. It again reminds me of our Olympic 182 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 4: park bombing. We had one murder, one Alic Hophorn, but 183 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 4: those games shut down, athletes went home. Every single Olympics 184 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 4: since then has changed the way they do business. This 185 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 4: single murder, this single assassination, is absolutely an act of terrorism. 186 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 2: You know, it's very interesting as a way that Matthew 187 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 2: Mangino is trying to say that terror was not caused. 188 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 2: Cheryl McCollum, you just pointed out that healthcare industry execs 189 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:28,119 Speaker 2: across the country and in fact, the healthcare industry itself 190 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:30,559 Speaker 2: is changing the way it does business. 191 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 1: What did you mean by that? 192 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 4: You know, you've got CEOs now, not just in healthcare. 193 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 4: But is there going to be some crackpot that says, hey, 194 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 4: airlines are monopoly, car manufacturers are monopoly. Who's next? They 195 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 4: have no choice but to go to their security heads 196 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 4: and say, hey, how can I be safe? And they've 197 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 4: got to maintain a level of security not just for 198 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 4: themselves but for their family. It's a different day than 199 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 4: it was cadays ago. 200 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 2: You know, I want to go back to Christina Oio 201 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:09,559 Speaker 2: joining US national news anchor. Isn't it true, Christina that months, 202 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 2: just a few months before he was gunned down in 203 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 2: the street, Brian Thompson issued a very chilling warning to 204 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 2: the United Healthcare executives about the way that the industry 205 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 2: was portrayed and actually pushed measures to change the way 206 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 2: healthcare was working. 207 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 6: That's absolutely right, and we found that out just recently 208 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:34,679 Speaker 6: by the parent company of United Healthcare. He was actually, 209 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 6: Brian Thompson was actually a good guy, quote unquote who 210 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 6: was working to fix things, who actually felt the pain 211 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 6: of the people who were getting their claims denied or 212 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 6: having to pay these enormous deductibles and sky high monthly premiums, 213 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 6: and he was trying to bring awareness to it. He 214 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 6: was trying to fix it, and he was actually trying 215 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 6: to enact change across the entire healthcare industry, at least 216 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 6: that out of United Healthcare, to sort of reverse the 217 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 6: problems the issues that people were having with the healthcare system. 218 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 6: So it appears as though Luigi Mangioni targeted, allegedly targeted 219 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 6: and killed, allegedly killed the wrong man. 220 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 1: You know, it's really bizarre. 221 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 2: It seems like he got at bass ackwards while he 222 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:17,319 Speaker 2: was lying on the beach in Hawaii hatching his murder plan, 223 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 2: and picks out Brian Thompson, Christina, and I want to 224 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 2: get these words exactly correct. 225 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 1: Thompson had just. 226 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 2: In a very eerie Oh there he is lounging without 227 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 2: a shirt on, not working, I might add, like the 228 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 2: rest of us. Wow, he doesn't look like he's in 229 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 2: any back pain right there. To me, none whatsoever. Oh 230 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 2: there he is running on the beach. In many shots, 231 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 2: I see him lounging with Hawaiian beauty, scantily clad. Oh 232 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,959 Speaker 2: there he is again, no problem, no indication of any 233 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 2: pain whatsoever. But that's a whole other can of worms. 234 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 2: Just before being gunned down, Thompson was urging executives to 235 00:13:56,679 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 2: focus on steps to eliminate out of pocket costs for 236 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 2: life saving drugs. He understood quote the public's frustration with 237 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 2: what they perceived as the company's actions, actively articulating a 238 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 2: vision that helped educate and help people understand what the 239 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 2: company was doing, and so on and so on. 240 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 1: But the point is he had been. 241 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 2: Urging Christina, urging the other healthcare executives to focus on 242 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 2: taking steps to get rid of out of pocket costs 243 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 2: for consumers. 244 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 6: Yeah, so as smart as Luigi Mangioni thinks that he 245 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 6: is and other people think that he is in this 246 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 6: elaborate plan and how much thought went into it and 247 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 6: him being an engineer, he clearly wasn't very smart, right 248 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 6: because he didn't do any research about the exact version 249 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 6: that he was targeting, the one that he thought was 250 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 6: the face of this healthcare industry to blame for all 251 00:14:56,560 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 6: the costs and for essentially what they say costing people 252 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 6: lives and the healthcare industry having blood on their hands. 253 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 6: But this wasn't the man. This was the man that 254 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 6: was actually fighting for the little people. He infiltrated the system, 255 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 6: he worked hard, he got to the top, and then 256 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 6: he was fighting fighting for the very people that Luigimngioni 257 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 6: said he's fighting for. So he clearly didn't do his research, 258 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 6: he didn't do his homework, and he's not as smart 259 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 6: as he thinks. 260 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 1: He is. 261 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 3: The suspected killer of the United Healthcare CEO. A mess 262 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 3: is a cult following as law enforcement nationwide is on 263 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 3: high alert for coffeecats after wanted posters of other CEOs 264 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 3: are plastered across New York City cult schmalt. 265 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 2: Why would anyone celebrate or lionize Luigimngoni. 266 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 1: I don't know. 267 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 2: That's why we've got a shrink on today for that 268 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 2: and many other reasons. But aside from would be copycats, 269 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 2: one already emerging. In Florida, law enforcement honey in on 270 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 2: Luigi Mangioni's family. 271 00:15:59,440 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: Listen. 272 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 11: The NYPD reveals they spoke to Luigi Mangoni's mother three 273 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 11: days after Brian Thompson was gunned down. The suspects parents 274 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 11: filed a missing person report on Mangoni in San Francisco, 275 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 11: and in San Francisco police sergeant believed they recognize Mangoni 276 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 11: and wanted photos from the NYPD. Mangoni's mother is called 277 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 11: in and while she doesn't identify her son in the photo, 278 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 11: talking about his mindset in the shooting, she said it 279 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 11: might be something she could see him doing. 280 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: Okay, let me be clearer to Matt Mangino. 281 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 2: I'm going to go out on a limb and throw 282 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 2: him another legal question, Mangino. Under our jurisprudence, no one 283 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 2: is required to be a good samaritan. No one is 284 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 2: required to come forward with information. While we want them to, 285 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 2: they don't have to under the law. The one thing 286 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 2: they cannot do is lie or in some way obstruct 287 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 2: the course of justice. We're not the Chinese or Russian 288 00:16:56,440 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 2: communist state where you are forced to give information. 289 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 7: No. 290 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 2: So even if the mother, and I'm sure she did, 291 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 2: I was saying earlier today, Matt, I can spot my husband, 292 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 2: my daughter, my son at five hundred feet just by 293 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 2: the way they walk. You know, the mother knew this 294 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:20,120 Speaker 2: was her son's picture. 295 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:22,120 Speaker 1: Okay, she knew it was him. 296 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 2: But under the law, she is not under any duty 297 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 2: to come forward with that information. 298 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 9: Well, yeah, she's not under any duty to come forward 299 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 9: with that information. And she didn't identify him. But I 300 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:38,159 Speaker 9: think she did make a statement that this would be 301 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 9: something that she believed he could do, So she wasn't 302 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 9: completely uncooperative. 303 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 2: And maybe let me get those words verbatim, Matt, because 304 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 2: I want you to analyze them and let me make 305 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 2: sure Christina double check me on this. But the exact 306 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 2: words I have that she the mother, Jim and Joani's 307 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 2: mother said are quote might be something she could see 308 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:14,719 Speaker 2: him doing, might be something she could see him doing. 309 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:18,159 Speaker 1: Don't have that right Christader, Absolutely right. 310 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:19,359 Speaker 6: I just looked with my notes. 311 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I wanted to read it verbatim because here, Matt Mangino, 312 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 2: the words matter. If she obstructed police in any way, 313 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 2: she can be charged. Her words must be parsed and 314 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:40,200 Speaker 2: must be examined under microscope to make sure she didn't lit. 315 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:45,919 Speaker 2: And that sounds very equivocal. It's very lukewarm. She's not 316 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 2: saying yeah, he did it. She's saying, well, it might 317 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 2: be something I could see him doing. 318 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 1: But she doesn't give him up. 319 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 9: No, she doesn't give him up. And you know, I 320 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:01,160 Speaker 9: don't think that she could that point give him up. 321 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:03,880 Speaker 9: You know, she looked at a photograph. She said she 322 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:07,639 Speaker 9: was not sure that it was him, So obviously she 323 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:11,640 Speaker 9: can't be unequivocal about him committing the crime if she doesn't. 324 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:14,640 Speaker 9: If she's not sure that that photograph is. 325 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 2: Place Matt place, he's not my son, and I can 326 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:19,880 Speaker 2: look at the side by side and tell it's him, 327 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 2: you know, Cheryl McCollum, I want to go to you 328 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:29,120 Speaker 2: little known fact. Well into the early early wee hours 329 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 2: of the morning, Cheryl McCallum and I go on two 330 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 2: separate wild goose chases. After we learn after we first 331 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:41,879 Speaker 2: learn that the Feds are in Atlanta, Cheryl goes in 332 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 2: the middle of the night to South Atlanta. I, in 333 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 2: the middle of the night go to North Atlanta, both 334 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:50,679 Speaker 2: to stake out addresses we have been told are connected 335 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 2: to the New York Health Boss assassin Cheryl without identifying 336 00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 2: who a potential suspect was at the time. That potential 337 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:05,880 Speaker 2: suspect was related to someone formally. 338 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:06,919 Speaker 1: In law enforcement. 339 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 2: And you and I spent many a long hour that 340 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 2: night discussing that the law enforcement would absolutely turn over 341 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 2: his relative, no question. But a mother ryl to you 342 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:25,400 Speaker 2: blame her in your heart of hearts. Would you convict 343 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:28,400 Speaker 2: a mother for not turning over her son. 344 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 4: You know, it's funny you mentioned that because you and 345 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 4: I did have that conversation that the person that we 346 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,880 Speaker 4: knew the road question, they would have made that call. 347 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:38,719 Speaker 4: But here's what I said early on, and I'm going 348 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 4: to stand by it. You can take the mama out. 349 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:46,360 Speaker 4: There's siblings, there's cousins, there's former co workers, there's former classmates. 350 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:51,199 Speaker 4: They knew the mental state, they had reported him missing, 351 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 4: they saw the video, they saw the face exposed photographs. 352 00:20:56,480 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 4: I guarantee you there were phone calls and text messages 353 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 4: between all of these people trying to get in touch 354 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 4: with him. Where are you? Mama's words to me are 355 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 4: very clear when she says seeing him doing she saw 356 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 4: that video, she saw the photograph. She knew, they all knew. 357 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 11: Private security guards have been called in to protect McDonald's 358 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 11: workers at in Altuna, Pennsylvania location as employees receive threats 359 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 11: since Luigi Man Johnny's arrest is the location. Police say 360 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 11: officers and locals involved in the arrest have been receiving threats, 361 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 11: and the Altuni Police Chief, Derek Slope says the department 362 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:35,479 Speaker 11: takes all threats seriously. The restaurant is flooded with negative 363 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 11: reviews that Google is removing that include things such as 364 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:39,679 Speaker 11: rats in the kitchen. 365 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 1: Okay? Is this correct? Christina Wyo. 366 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 2: The McDonald's employees have to hire security after they call 367 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,639 Speaker 2: law enforcement to arrest a cold blooded assassin. 368 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,640 Speaker 1: How are they the band guy? When did they get 369 00:21:57,760 --> 00:21:58,439 Speaker 1: so best? 370 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:02,639 Speaker 6: Awkwards, It is absolutely unfathomable that you have to have 371 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:06,640 Speaker 6: security at McDonald's because you reported a crime. Now people 372 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 6: have been going out there, They've been seeing two and 373 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:12,879 Speaker 6: three security guards ahead of time out the employees there, 374 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 6: but also the officers in that town, in that county 375 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:19,160 Speaker 6: have been getting threats. But there's this cult following surrounding him. 376 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 6: They all paint him out to be the hero. The 377 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 6: latest thing I've seen on social media as people are 378 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:28,120 Speaker 6: photoshopping themselves in pictures next to pictures of Mangioni, saying 379 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:30,159 Speaker 6: things like we just went on this wild trip to 380 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 6: Las Vegas. He's the best employee ever, and they're sort 381 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 6: of making fun of this whole situation. But there's nothing 382 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 6: funny about a father too getting gunned down in the 383 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 6: middle of Manhattan assassination style. 384 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:44,639 Speaker 2: Well, you're absolutely right, Christina. As a matter of fact, 385 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 2: listen to this. 386 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 11: In a shocking display from a crowd in Boston, cheers 387 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 11: a rub as pictures of Luigi Mangioni are shown on 388 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 11: a screen as the DJ plays Miley Cyrus he could 389 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 11: be the one. The event is Bop to the Top 390 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,400 Speaker 11: Tourist Jingle Bop and is being held at a Big 391 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,399 Speaker 11: Night live venue in Boston. The crowd has heard cheering 392 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 11: as photos of Luigi Mangoni, taken from his social media 393 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 11: accounts up here on the screen. The cheers get even 394 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:13,400 Speaker 11: louder as Mangoni's recent booking photos are shown. Mangoni has 395 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 11: become something of a sex symbol since his arrest, and 396 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 11: a fundraiser has raised over one hundred thousand dollars for 397 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,159 Speaker 11: his legal fees, with his lawyer claiming to receive offers 398 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,719 Speaker 11: from people wanting to pay Mangoni's legal bills. 399 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 2: I hardly know what to say. He's the one by 400 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 2: Miley Cyrus cheers erupting people photoshopping themselves with MANGIONI why 401 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 2: is marder one somehow okay? Joining me is a guest 402 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 2: who has seen literally thousands of death scenes. Joining us 403 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 2: Joseph Scott Morgan, death investigator and professor forensics Jacksonville State University, 404 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 2: author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, and star 405 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 2: of a hitting series Body Bags with Joe Scott Morgan. Scott, 406 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 2: you know, having lived through the murder of my fiance, 407 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 2: it almost didn't seem real until I came down off 408 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 2: the witness stand and I saw his bloody denim shirt 409 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 2: on council table that he was wearing that day on 410 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 2: the construction site where he was working. And for many 411 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 2: years after that, it seemed like a horrible blur. I 412 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:32,640 Speaker 2: think part of the reason MINGIONI is seen as some 413 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 2: sort of modern day robin Hood is because people don't 414 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:43,160 Speaker 2: understand what murder is and why should they? 415 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 1: Why should they? But could you explain what it is? 416 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 1: What the victim went through? 417 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 2: Lying there at six forty five a m. In the 418 00:24:55,840 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 2: dark on a sidewalk in New York, hearing traffic going by, 419 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 2: and realizing he's bleeding out dead, that he would never 420 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 2: see his children again. 421 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 12: Yeah, you know, he takes this round to his back, 422 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 12: Nancy hollow point round. As a matter of fact, just 423 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:16,879 Speaker 12: like the one I have here is a nine millimeter 424 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 12: that expands to twice its size and diameter. And as 425 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 12: it's expanding, it's ripping apart tissue in his chest cavity, 426 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 12: and I would wager that it probably clipped along. They 427 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,120 Speaker 12: don't know what it's like, you know, as they're cheering 428 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 12: on at their concert or whatever the hell it was 429 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 12: with Miley Cyrus playing in the background. They don't know 430 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 12: what it's like to see somebody, you know, expiating blood 431 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,120 Speaker 12: out of their mouth and their nose and it's it's frothy, 432 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 12: you know, it's frothy because it's filled with oxygen. And 433 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 12: he can't catch his breath any longer, and his life 434 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 12: slips away and the last thing he sees is his 435 00:25:55,160 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 12: filthy sidewalk in NYC. But yet they continue, they continue 436 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 12: on with all of this nonsense. This guy is supposed 437 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 12: to be what they call him, an anti capitalist. This 438 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 12: is the first thing, you know what, Nancy. And some 439 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 12: of these images I've seen him clad in like Columbia 440 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 12: Sports where I saw a picture early on from Hawaii 441 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 12: where he's wearing Rayman aviators. There was another shot of 442 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 12: him wearing probably Costa sunglasses. Gee, I don't see him 443 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,679 Speaker 12: walking around in homemade him clothing where he's making his 444 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:29,639 Speaker 12: own shoes and he's protesting about everything that's going on 445 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,400 Speaker 12: out there. He's living the easy life, just like these 446 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,479 Speaker 12: people at the concert. They have no idea what this 447 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 12: man endured and also more importantly, what his wife and 448 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 12: his kids are going to have to endure the following 449 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 12: years as we go through, and they're going to wind 450 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:46,679 Speaker 12: up having to go to court too. Problemly. 451 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,479 Speaker 2: You know, I'm thinking about everything you're saying, Joe Scott, 452 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 2: and so many times I've wondered, I've wanted to believe. 453 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:59,680 Speaker 2: I chose to believe that Keith, my fiance, didn't feel 454 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 2: any after the first bullet, But I don't think that 455 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 2: that's true. I think that he fell over in the 456 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 2: front seat of his truck as the perp continued to 457 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 2: shoot him. 458 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 1: Because he was. 459 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:20,640 Speaker 2: Shot in the back, the head, the face, the neck, 460 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:27,399 Speaker 2: he had to feel some of that and it's agonizing 461 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 2: to put it ephemistically, to think what he went through. 462 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 2: He was still alive, his heart beating when he got 463 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:38,920 Speaker 2: finally from this. 464 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 1: Remote location to the hospital. What did he feel? 465 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 2: How much did it hurt? Did he realize what was 466 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 2: happening to him? Did he think of me? Is there 467 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,959 Speaker 2: anything I could have done? What do you think that 468 00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:02,120 Speaker 2: these boys are going to grow up wandering about their 469 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 2: dad dying on the sidewalk and doctor Bethany, I mean 470 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:15,639 Speaker 2: they complete futility of gunning down Thompson, And now the 471 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 2: children have to grow up wondering why did this happen 472 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:24,679 Speaker 2: to my dad for the rest of their lives, and 473 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,399 Speaker 2: people are celebrating it. 474 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 7: Nancy, the children and the public will have to come 475 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 7: to terms with the fact that this alleged crime did 476 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 7: not come from an altruistic place. If MANGIONI had wanted 477 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 7: to change the healthcare system. He could have become an organizer, 478 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 7: a politician. He could have helped change legislation. He could 479 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 7: have served on the board of the hospital that his 480 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 7: family donated a million dollars to. Again, I don't know 481 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 7: MANGIONI I've never seen him personally. But the public who 482 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 7: is idolizing him needs to place in context the personality 483 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 7: of somebody who could have anti social personality disorder. They 484 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 7: relate to others on the basis of power, not affection. 485 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 7: They like to torture, they like to humiliate. I would 486 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 7: think it would be fascinating to find to really locate 487 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 7: a girl, perhaps that he dated. How did he treat 488 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 7: that girl? Perhaps he put her on a pedestal at first, 489 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 7: and when she rejected him, he stopped her. 490 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 8: I mean, I'm just I'm making this up. But I 491 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 8: want the public to understand that this is not just 492 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 8: somebody who thought somebody. This is somebody a full person 493 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 8: with a full identity, who lacks empathy, who's impulsive, who 494 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 8: really may well not care about anyone around him. 495 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 7: He just committed the crime because it was exciting, not 496 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 7: because he was trying to help anybody out. 497 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 2: To Tom Smith, following up on Joe Scott and doctor Bethany. 498 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 2: Tom Smith, former NYPD thirty years on these very streets, Okay, 499 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 2: star of the Goal Shields podcast. 500 00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 1: Tom. 501 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 2: I think that people are just misguided. I don't think 502 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 2: that they're hateful or that they truly want murder to occur. 503 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 2: They have no reason to understand what it's like to 504 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 2: go to a homicide scene, the smell of coagulating blood, 505 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 2: the obvious signs of a struggle where the victim wanted 506 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 2: to live. They're not forced to think about it the 507 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 2: way we are when we get closing statements, when we 508 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 2: build a case, or in your case, when you investigate murders, 509 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 2: could you explain what a murder scene, what a murder 510 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 2: really is. It's not like in the movies or TV. 511 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 10: No, it's horrible. It's the worst scene to go to 512 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 10: as a detective because every element of emotion is in there. 513 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 10: You know you want to get it done, but you're 514 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 10: feeling for the victim and you described it perfectly, and 515 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 10: it's not instant. A bunch of times in any homicide, 516 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 10: it's not instant. There is pain, they're struggling, there's thoughts, 517 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 10: and then from there you're dealing with the families and 518 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 10: notifications and interviews, which is always heartbreaking, especially like in 519 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 10: this case, you're dealing with children, and you're dealing with 520 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 10: a wife, and those emotions carry on throughout the investigation. 521 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 10: And these people who are just clamoring onto this have 522 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 10: no idea of the reality that homicides entail, and it's 523 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 10: evident by their statements and their actions, which are totally. 524 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 3: The beach bomb. Life of alleged CEO slayer Luigi Mangioni 525 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 3: is revealed as roommates and friends speak out. The former 526 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 3: Ivy League student and software engineer gallivanting in Hawaii and 527 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 3: Japan before the murder. 528 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 2: Luigi mangione being celebrated all around the world. 529 00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 1: He is a killer? 530 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 2: How did this guy I turn into a sex symbol? 531 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 2: I don't understand this, but what I do know is 532 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 2: that Brian Thompson died a painful death alone, face down 533 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 2: on a New York sidewalk, his family, his children and 534 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 2: wife far far away. So who is Luigi Mangioni. 535 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 11: Who is the real Luigi Mangioni? Is he a back 536 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,360 Speaker 11: pain riddled patient or a free, willing beach bum living 537 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 11: a privileged life on a beach photos and comments from 538 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:37,400 Speaker 11: friends living alongside Mangoni in Hawaii indicate the ACU shooter 539 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 11: had fun hanging out with beautiful women and tan buddies 540 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 11: at the two thousand dollars a month retreat surf break. 541 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 11: This image is a far cry from the man who 542 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 11: says his lower vertebrate is misaligned, reportedly by at least 543 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 11: half an inch. Mangoni has posted an extray of a 544 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 11: spine with multiple screws holding bones together. Mangoni says the 545 00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 11: pain makes it impossible for him to have sex. 546 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:00,400 Speaker 1: Okay. 547 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 2: Christina Ohio, joining US national news anchor's Hill News Channel, 548 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 2: I've seen photos of Luigimi and Gioni practicing yoga tinder 549 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:17,720 Speaker 2: matching with the yoga guru tickling multiple girls in a 550 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 2: hallway all at once, with them laughing giddily. He doesn't 551 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 2: look like he's in pain to me, And somehow we're 552 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 2: chalking off his actions because he was an intense Okay, 553 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 2: he's not an intense back. 554 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 1: Pain right there. 555 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,840 Speaker 2: Helped me out here, Christina, what about his beach bum 556 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 2: life just before the assassination? 557 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 6: Right well, in any case, no matter how much pain 558 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 6: you're and it's never okay to murder somebody. But according 559 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,480 Speaker 6: to these pictures, according to everything that all of his 560 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 6: friends are saying, he did have a lot of fun. 561 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 6: He was surfing, he was on the beaches, he was 562 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 6: living in a high rise in Hawaii, And in fact, 563 00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 6: right around the time he disappeared, he traps off to 564 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 6: Asia and he went on a backpacking trip. He actually 565 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:06,240 Speaker 6: bragged about having the ability to fit everything that he 566 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 6: needed to live into one tiny little backpack. Because he 567 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,359 Speaker 6: was talking about having this minimalist lifestyle like we talked 568 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 6: about on our last conversation. He is a walking, talking contradiction. 569 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 6: So is this whole back pain scenario a cover? Is 570 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 6: this an excuse for why he allegedly committed the crime 571 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,120 Speaker 6: that he did. Is his real life? This party boy? 572 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,520 Speaker 6: Is he a narcissist? What drove him? But we do 573 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 6: know that there are two different Luigi manngionies. And I 574 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 6: tell you what, if he's bragging about having everything he 575 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,719 Speaker 6: needs in a tiny little backpack, then he's about to 576 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 6: have everything he needs in a fifteen x six cell, 577 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,880 Speaker 6: because that's where if he gets convicted, he will be 578 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 6: spending the rest of his life exactly the way he 579 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 6: wanted to in a minimalist fashion. 580 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:48,799 Speaker 1: You know. 581 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 2: Thoma samanth is joining me, former NYPD detective and co 582 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,920 Speaker 2: host the Goal Shields podcast. Donia ever get tired of 583 00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 2: entitled brat's why about the world and how awful it 584 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,719 Speaker 2: is while they've got mommy's gold card. Yeah, he's got 585 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,640 Speaker 2: everything he needs. It can fit in one backpack or 586 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:14,239 Speaker 2: more a better put in one wallet, as long as 587 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,320 Speaker 2: he's got his parents' money. This is a guy living 588 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 2: in a high rise in Honolulu, waking up to the 589 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 2: beach every morning. Did you wake up to a beach 590 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,760 Speaker 2: for you this morning? Because I sure did not, living 591 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,319 Speaker 2: in this luxury high rise with a group of other 592 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:34,920 Speaker 2: beach bumps in a shared space. Photoed tickling girls in 593 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,879 Speaker 2: the hallway, multiple girls at once. Every shot I see 594 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 2: of him, he's out in nature. He's not at work. 595 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:47,400 Speaker 2: We keep hearing he quit his job. He was laid off. Gee, 596 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:51,360 Speaker 2: I wonder why. Maybe the job interfered with the tickling. 597 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:57,640 Speaker 2: I don't know, But don't you ever get exhausted with 598 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:02,440 Speaker 2: all the whining and complaining, And oh my goodness, he 599 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 2: might as well bunked up with the wrists, the whining 600 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 2: and complaining. Tom Smith, we are talking about murder. 601 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,759 Speaker 10: It's one after another with these stories and thinking I 602 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:14,640 Speaker 10: can get away with it because of who mom and 603 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,279 Speaker 10: Dad are and the money that I have, And it 604 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 10: never ends up that way. But it continues to happen, 605 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,520 Speaker 10: and these stories continue to come up with these crimes. 606 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,959 Speaker 2: Cheryl McCallum, I assume you've seeing the beach bum photos 607 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,359 Speaker 2: and the two thousand dollars a month high rise and 608 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,920 Speaker 2: the Froli king in Honolulu. 609 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:38,000 Speaker 4: Nancy is baffling. He is again a walking contradiction. Everything 610 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:41,319 Speaker 4: about this kid. He makes you look right to only 611 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,200 Speaker 4: force you to go left because it doesn't make any sense. 612 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:48,520 Speaker 4: He's a tech expert that he uses a notebook. He 613 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:55,760 Speaker 4: supposedly is against this wealthy ceo, yet he comes for money. 614 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,840 Speaker 4: He now was going to hire this top notch attorney, 615 00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:02,200 Speaker 4: but people are sending him money for his defense. He 616 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,759 Speaker 4: sits there and says, well, you know, I'm going to 617 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:06,640 Speaker 4: make this ghost gun so I can get away with 618 00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:10,520 Speaker 4: this crime. Yet he shows his faith. His mom reports 619 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,759 Speaker 4: him missing, even though you know he's this kid, this 620 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:18,239 Speaker 4: balancing around from island to you know, big city and 621 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:22,080 Speaker 4: all around. He is a walking contradiction. And it's one 622 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:25,440 Speaker 4: of the reasons that I believe the DA is going 623 00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,080 Speaker 4: to be able to put together this story of just 624 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,640 Speaker 4: how full of crap he is when he says, hey, 625 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,879 Speaker 4: I picked this person to murder and didn't even look 626 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:35,800 Speaker 4: him up properly. 627 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,240 Speaker 13: One of the most interesting things from the Luigi Mangiooni 628 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,120 Speaker 13: case is the fact that there's a repetition of the 629 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:43,400 Speaker 13: number two eighty six on the banner of his ex profile. 630 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,279 Speaker 13: He has the Pokemon creature known as Breloum, which is 631 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,600 Speaker 13: number two hundred and eighty six in the collection. Luigi 632 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,520 Speaker 13: also has exactly two hundred and eighty six posts on 633 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,600 Speaker 13: x According to somebody on Twitter, Luigi was found out 634 00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,720 Speaker 13: a McDonald's exactly two hundred and eighty six miles away 635 00:37:58,760 --> 00:37:59,760 Speaker 13: from the crime scene. 636 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:05,840 Speaker 2: That is just one of many many Luigi Mangioni conspiracies 637 00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:11,080 Speaker 2: on TikTok. That one tied in to Pokemon somehow straight out. 638 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,879 Speaker 2: To Cheryl McCollum, a founder, director Cold Case Research Institute 639 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:20,960 Speaker 2: and star of Zone seven, Cheryl, the conspiracy theories are 640 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:26,239 Speaker 2: just starting, okay, oh, but it's spreading, it's infecting. As 641 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,520 Speaker 2: a matter of fact, one University Pennsylvania professor. 642 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,520 Speaker 1: Lauded Mangioni online. 643 00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:36,440 Speaker 2: Of course she's since taken that down and apologized. But 644 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:41,520 Speaker 2: I don't get the lionization and the glorification of Luigi 645 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:45,040 Speaker 2: Mangioni and all these far fetched theories, even going as 646 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:46,000 Speaker 2: far as Pokemon. 647 00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,560 Speaker 4: Well, let's talk about hidden messages in one of the 648 00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:52,600 Speaker 4: issues with them. They can be misinterpreted. Two ABY six 649 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:56,719 Speaker 4: is an angel number literally means prosperity in your finances. 650 00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:01,759 Speaker 4: In California criminal code, it's sodomy, So he might want 651 00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:03,800 Speaker 4: to be pretty clear about what he's talking about. 652 00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:05,680 Speaker 2: I guess what I'm getting at, and I want to 653 00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:10,000 Speaker 2: go to Joe Scott Morgan on this is the disconnect 654 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:15,480 Speaker 2: between what Mangione allegedly did now facing brand new murder 655 00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,440 Speaker 2: one charge is very very rare in the state of 656 00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:23,960 Speaker 2: New York, what he actually did, and these far fetched, trivial, 657 00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:26,680 Speaker 2: frivolous conspiracy theories. 658 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,680 Speaker 12: Yeah, prediction. By the way, as with all these guys, 659 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,160 Speaker 12: people are going to start getting tattoos of his face 660 00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,960 Speaker 12: on their body that they will wear forever and ever. 661 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:40,520 Speaker 12: The reality is is that this guy planned and perpetrated 662 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:44,600 Speaker 12: a homicide on a New York City street, and he 663 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:48,719 Speaker 12: left behind two orphaned kids as a result of these 664 00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:53,760 Speaker 12: actions allegedly. All right, so my question is going back 665 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:58,280 Speaker 12: to this idea that you know he's living this life. 666 00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,560 Speaker 12: Where's he getting all of this money from in order 667 00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,560 Speaker 12: to you know, you said he was unemployed, Nancy is 668 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,719 Speaker 12: does he still get money from his family? How does 669 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,920 Speaker 12: he afford to go out and create a ghost weapon? 670 00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:15,160 Speaker 12: I don't understand that, and not just a ghost weapon, 671 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:19,360 Speaker 12: a suppressed ghost weapon. He acquires ammunition. He's living in 672 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,839 Speaker 12: a place that's two thousand dollars a month, and you're 673 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,120 Speaker 12: telling me that his mom doesn't know where he is. 674 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:30,399 Speaker 12: She's you know, listed him as a missing person. I'm 675 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,560 Speaker 12: not buying it. I think that there's a lot more 676 00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:36,560 Speaker 12: here relative to what his activities have been, and they 677 00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,319 Speaker 12: need to stay focused on the things that they can 678 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,480 Speaker 12: prove in this case instead of all of this ancillary 679 00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,480 Speaker 12: nonsense that people are getting caught up in with this bozo. 680 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,680 Speaker 2: You know, I wouldn't want to waste his pain on anyone, 681 00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:56,120 Speaker 2: much less the TikTokers who are glorifying him. I wun't 682 00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:59,400 Speaker 2: want anyone to know the pain of the person you 683 00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:03,320 Speaker 2: love them being murdered, just shot down in cold blood 684 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:08,920 Speaker 2: in a misdirected Robin Hood attempt. At this hour, we 685 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:14,080 Speaker 2: are hearing that Mangioni is no longer going to fight 686 00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:18,560 Speaker 2: extradition from Pennsylvania. Why Maybe he wants a different CI 687 00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,479 Speaker 2: Correctional Institute. Maybe he thinks the conditions would be better 688 00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,279 Speaker 2: in New York. Maybe it's more convenient for his lawyers. 689 00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,720 Speaker 2: But who can get into the mind of an alleged killer. 690 00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:35,640 Speaker 2: Nancy Gray signing off goodbye friend.