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Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of the Chuck Podcast. I'm Chuck Todd.

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Speaker 2: It is Independence Day weekend, and for those of you

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Speaker 2: that have known me a long time, you have known

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Speaker 2: this is a weekend and this is a week if

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Speaker 2: you will, Independence Day where I like to take the

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Speaker 2: celebration of the fourth of July and focus on either

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Speaker 2: independent candidates independent voters. I plan on doing a little

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Speaker 2: bit of both. In fact, I think over the last

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Speaker 2: ten years I have probably interviewed Angus King five of

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Speaker 2: the last ten years on some show, whether it's my podcast,

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Speaker 2: whether it's been a Meet the Press, I Meet the

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Speaker 2: Press now a daily rundown. Angus King has been one

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Speaker 2: of my go to almost every Independence Day. I always

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Speaker 2: think it's fun to have a conversation with independent Angus King. Well,

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Speaker 2: I don't have the Angus King interview to tout right now.

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Speaker 2: I do want to have a big focus on independence.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna get there. In fact, my guest is somebody

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Speaker 2: who some people thought was going to be running for

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Speaker 2: governor as an independent but chose to actually switch parties

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Speaker 2: all the way. It's a candidate for governor in Florida.

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Speaker 2: Former Republican Member of Congress David Jolly, who left the

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Speaker 2: Republican to become an independent and then left becoming an

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Speaker 2: independent to become a registered Democrat.

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Speaker 1: We talk about that, so it's a big.

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Speaker 2: Part of our conversation that we're going to have. But

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Speaker 2: I want to give you a better read of the

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Speaker 2: entire landscape when it comes to so called registered independent voters,

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Speaker 2: non party aligned, the candidates that are popping up out there.

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Speaker 2: We got two new ones out there, so I want

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Speaker 2: to get to all that. But there's a few pieces

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Speaker 2: of news in the news cycle that I do want

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Speaker 2: to touch on. One is just the colossal and epic, horrendous,

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Speaker 2: greedy decision by Paramount and what they're doing with paying

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Speaker 2: off Donald Trump in order to have a merger and

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Speaker 2: make sure that the government doesn't get in the way

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Speaker 2: of a merger that Cherry Redstone wants to do to

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Speaker 2: put by a common paramount all back together in order

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Speaker 2: to sell it and all of that and as a

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Speaker 2: essentially as the price of that merger, they've decided to

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Speaker 2: settle a lawsuit, that frivolous lawsuit that Donald Trump filed

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Speaker 2: against CBS News in sixty minutes for an interview he

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Speaker 2: didn't like of Kamala Harris. It's it is. I called

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Speaker 2: it from name going. There's no merit to the lawsuit.

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Speaker 2: There is no merit whatsoever, some bizarre editing complaint. But

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Speaker 2: it doesn't matter. It's called the First Amendment, so it

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Speaker 2: doesn't matter. CBS had every right to do whatever the

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Speaker 2: heck they wanted to do that interview. Now, when you

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Speaker 2: actually look at the transfer, I mean, really there was

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Speaker 2: you know that you can say they cleaned up an

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Speaker 2: answer for clarity, was that in service to the viewer

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Speaker 2: or in service to the candidate? I think that's truly

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Speaker 2: truly I of the beholder there. But at the end

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Speaker 2: of the day, paying off Donald Trump to do this

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Speaker 2: has really stained all corporate owned media. I mean, you

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Speaker 2: have to now ask yourself, and I'd understand if more

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Speaker 2: and more viewers and readers are wondering, if you work

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Speaker 2: for a news organization that is owned by some publicly

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Speaker 2: traded company where more of their business is more of

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Speaker 2: their profits are divived from other parts of their business,

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Speaker 2: are they going to sacrifice the news division and journalistic

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Speaker 2: integrity in order to improve the other bottom lines? Right,

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Speaker 2: We've seen Disney payoff a frivolous lawsuit of Donald Trump's

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Speaker 2: on behalf of ABC News now seeing paramount do this.

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Speaker 2: We've seen CNN take actions against certain anchors that Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump didn't like. We've arguably seen that with the very

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Speaker 2: timely decision by Comcasts to split off its cable properties

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Speaker 2: that included one of the Donald Trump's favorite cable channels, MSNBC.

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Speaker 2: So the fact is we've seen a lot of activity.

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Speaker 2: And while no one you would sit there, when you

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Speaker 2: that it well, I know this. The journalists at work

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Speaker 2: at these organizations are just alarmed at their reputations being

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Speaker 1: Do these things.

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Speaker 3: It is.

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Speaker 2: It is a gut punch to to to practicing journalists,

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Speaker 2: pure and simple. I can sit here and say, oh,

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Speaker 2: this is good for independent journalism. Sure, okay, you know

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Speaker 2: those of you know, yes, they're certainly good for those

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Speaker 2: of us that that believe our credibilities on our own

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Speaker 1: To give us credibility.

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Speaker 2: But I'll tell you, whenever one major news organization essentially

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Speaker 2: So this is no good you know, those that are

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Speaker 2: cheerleading this, that are on Substack or some of these

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Speaker 2: other independent this is not a good day. You may

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Speaker 2: think this is a good day for you, but this

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Speaker 2: is a really bad day for journalism. It's a bad

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Speaker 2: day for the First Amendment. It's a bad day for

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Speaker 1: That it is.

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Speaker 2: It is, you know, and we're so we so sort

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Speaker 2: of just roll our eyes because we're now sort of

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Speaker 2: expecting people to roll over like this. For Donald Trump,

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Speaker 2: there's this well I don't want to be in his crosshairs,

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Speaker 2: so it's not worth it. These fights aren't worth it.

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Speaker 2: And you know, we're seeing it with politicians right I.

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Speaker 2: You know, a guy like Tom Tillis was just tired

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Speaker 2: of his family being harassed.

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Speaker 1: You know, I.

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Speaker 2: Understand it from a personal perspective as someone who's been harassed,

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Speaker 2: as someone who's had who's been targeted by the president

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Speaker 2: and all of this. But backing down and not fighting

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Speaker 2: is the victory there, right If you if you believe

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Speaker 2: in this with your whole heart, then you then you

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Speaker 2: jump in and you keep fighting. And you know, unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: I think the publicly the corporate owned. The corporations that

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Speaker 2: eyes of many people, their own employees, viewers. I'd assume

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Speaker 2: shareholders as well that care about these things, you know.

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Speaker 2: I long for the day when CBS had a guy

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Speaker 2: like Bill Paley who would defend Edward R. Morrow from

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Speaker 2: attacks from shareholders way back when there's a great shareholder

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Speaker 2: letter that's i've that's circulated on them, or Bill Paley said, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I don't like some of the things Edward R. Morrow

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Speaker 2: says too, but you but we need him. He's good

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Speaker 2: and he actually makes the case it's good for business.

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Speaker 1: I actually think it's good for business if you're willing,

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Speaker 1: if you show you're unafraid, when you are willing to

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Speaker 1: essentially back down and be coerced into a form of Look,

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to call it bribery.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it meets the legal definition of

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Speaker 2: what CBS did. Ron Wyden is implying that it might

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Speaker 2: meet the definition of bribery. But it's ugly, it's a

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Speaker 2: bad look, and it just looks like a whole bunch

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Speaker 1: It's not good.

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Speaker 2: It's bad for media, and there's and what's frustrating is

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Speaker 2: that there's a lot more journalists that would be screaming

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Speaker 2: less to lose. So I have a luxury in that

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Speaker 2: so I can speak out. But I think I I

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Speaker 2: think it's necessary, and I would hope you use your

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Speaker 2: voice and power and don't dunk on these people, but

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Speaker 2: essentially make it clear to these executives what they're doing.

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Speaker 2: They're damaging the very information ecosystem that they've actually made

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Speaker 2: money off of over decades and decades. Their companies got

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Speaker 2: value because of credibility that they had via their news

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Speaker 2: divisions CBS in particular via sixty Minutes. So to intentionally

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Speaker 2: It just there's no there's no good explanation for this

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Speaker 2: decision by Paramount, not one, not one good thing. In fact,

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Speaker 2: they should have dared the President to cancel the merger

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Speaker 2: on this. There's no doubt he is weaponizing government agencies

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Speaker 2: I'll put it this way, anybody that does get an

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Speaker 2: it's probably going to assume that they've been political we targeted.

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Speaker 2: That's the environment this administration is created now.

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Speaker 1: And then when you.

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Speaker 2: Have entities like Paramount that essentially fold and and and

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: So, this stain that Paramount has put on all journalists,

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Speaker 2: They should be ashamed. You know, I could sit here

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Speaker 2: But I do wonder, I do wonder if if this

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Speaker 2: I mean, we've seen that, you know, making bad you know,

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Speaker 2: just I just felt duty bound. I think the lack

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Speaker 2: But again i'd also question those that are trying to

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Speaker 1: That's not the issue here.

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Speaker 2: You know, in order for media have credibility, all types

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Speaker 2: of media need to practice high ethics and high integrity.

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Speaker 2: And when the corporate owned media will not, that's that's

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Speaker 2: The story in front of people, obviously in the moment,

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Speaker 2: is whether or not Donald Trump gets the vote for

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Speaker 2: his bill this week or not. And I have to

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Speaker 2: Maybe it's maybe it doesn't happen this week, maybe it does,

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Speaker 2: So this bill gets pat The more important development on Wednesday,

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Speaker 2: July second, the single most important development that happened on Wednesday,

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Speaker 2: July second was the perfunctory announcement that the Trump administration

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Speaker 2: fulfilling some weapons promises that the Biden administration had made

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Speaker 2: on behalf of the United States government to Ukraine. So

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Speaker 2: no patriot missiles, no new patriot missiles or going we're

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Speaker 2: citing the need to not deplete our stockpiles. But obviously

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Speaker 2: that's how we've been arming Ukraine, right, We've been basically

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Speaker 2: sending them old weapons, old ammunition, and replenishing with new stuff,

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Speaker 2: which actually has meant factories, new jobs. If you really

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Speaker 3: suburban but also an area where you have seen kind

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Speaker 3: of a shift of politics more recently towards the right,

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Speaker 3: but then the Panhandle being very traditionally conservative. You know,

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Speaker 3: it's interesting, I just left a lunch where we were

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Speaker 3: talking about this. So often we talk about the American dream.

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Speaker 3: I think for many people there was a Florida dream, right,

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Speaker 3: whether you were a retiree or whether you were an immigrant,

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Speaker 3: or frankly, whether you grew up here. There's always something

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Speaker 3: special about Florida, whether I'm a candidate or not. I'm

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Speaker 3: now a candidate for governor, but I think in the

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Speaker 3: last ten years, I've seen it trend more kind of

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Speaker 3: like the wild West. In fact, one of my fears

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Speaker 3: as we have young kids is Florida's becoming a home

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Speaker 3: for the rich and the reckless, but not a home

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Speaker 3: for everybody. So for the retirees that are really looking

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Speaker 3: coming in from the Midwest, for instance, is it a

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Speaker 3: state that is affordable to them? If you were born

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Speaker 3: and raised here, is it a state that's now affordable

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Speaker 3: for you to find a job and create a career opportunity?

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Speaker 3: Longtime homeowner? Is it affordable? And that ultimately goes to

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Speaker 3: the crisis we're having in the state of Florida, Chuck.

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Speaker 3: We have a generational affordability crisis in the state of

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Speaker 3: Florida that's impacting access to housing, homeowners, insurance, taxes, healthcare, education, utilities, transportation,

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Speaker 3: And that is where this dream of what Florida maybe

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Speaker 3: would be right, It wasn't perfect for everyone. This is

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Speaker 3: not let's go back to who we were. But the

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Speaker 3: Florida dream, I think is kind of becoming out of

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Speaker 3: reach for many.

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Speaker 2: People buy ponce dal Leone was selling the Florida dream, right,

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Speaker 2: I always that's right from the very.

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Speaker 1: Beginning, you know, I take it.

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Speaker 2: I hope you get to know Billy Corbin, who of

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Speaker 2: course Colory documentary that he's got some funny lines about that,

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Speaker 2: sort of saying. You know, they're always selling a myth

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Speaker 2: or a scam. There's a fine line, right, scam.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes I will tell you there may not be a

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Speaker 3: fountain of youth, but a good Sunday it makes you

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Speaker 3: look younger.

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Speaker 1: We know that we know them.

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Speaker 2: So there's two sort of dives I want to take

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Speaker 2: off from your answer down there. First is is South Florida,

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Speaker 2: particularly Miami. I always, in hindsight I sit here and think, well,

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Speaker 2: I was lucky to grow up in Miami in the

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Speaker 2: seventies and eighties because frankly, it was actually a lot

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Speaker 2: of up people.

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Speaker 1: You were down there during a lot of up people.

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Speaker 2: Uh, that's right, and you had you had very ethnically

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Speaker 2: charged politics, racially charged politics, and it was you know,

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Speaker 2: three way. Sometimes one side would pit the two other

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Speaker 2: groups against each other.

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Speaker 1: We had a couple of.

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Speaker 2: Riots that weren't always sort of the type of things

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Speaker 2: that you see in other cities. And then Andrew happened,

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Speaker 2: cleared out whatever remaining people that didn't like all the

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Speaker 2: all of it and left, and then what we did

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Speaker 2: see a transformation. You know, Miami's got this tagline that's

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Speaker 2: always been city of the Future, right, it's always sort

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Speaker 2: of you know, you're wondering what America looks like tomorrow,

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Speaker 2: go to Miami today. Should we have hope that what's

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Speaker 2: happening across the rest of the country that this as

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Speaker 2: we're sort of transforming culturally, right, and we've got you know,

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Speaker 2: we're a different type of melting pot today, less Eurocentric,

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Speaker 2: more Latin American centric, things like that, Asian centric out west.

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Speaker 1: If you look, is.

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Speaker 2: Miami transformation a sign of long term hope for the

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Speaker 2: rest of the country?

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Speaker 1: Is it that easy?

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't know that it's easy, but I think

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Speaker 3: yes it should be. And certainly a story of resilience

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Speaker 3: and a story of hard work and a story of

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Speaker 3: what could be the American dream. But I think what

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Speaker 3: complicates this, Chuck, is that the direction of our national

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Speaker 3: politics that are now being defined by culture wars or

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Speaker 3: by attacks on certain communities, right, I mean, Florida's a

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Speaker 3: homa maga, and under Ronda Santis, he unleashed culture wars

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Speaker 3: that have defined culture wars for most of the rest

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Speaker 3: of the nation. And we can go right now to

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Speaker 3: the hard conversation that's being had around a president and

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Speaker 3: some red state governor's enforcement when it comes to immigration.

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Speaker 3: And what I will tell you is I see in

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Speaker 3: Republican leadership a philosophy of attacking communities and then looking

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Speaker 3: for crime. And I'm afraid that represents some very darker

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Speaker 3: themes and darker chapters for where some are trying to

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Speaker 3: take our politics and not let the diversity of South Florida,

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Speaker 3: not let the immigrant community, not let this incredible culture

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Speaker 3: we have really become the future. I think we've got

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Speaker 3: a real political fight with a lot of hardcore Republican

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Speaker 3: leaders trying to take us back to a Florida that

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Speaker 3: was defined pre immigration and before the diversity we have today.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you've been following the stories of Venezuelans and

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Speaker 2: South Florida going whoa whoh, I thought you were going

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Speaker 2: to protect us, Donald Trump, right, and you look, there's

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Speaker 2: a cynical side of me that believes the only reason

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Speaker 2: they're lifting Temporary Protected status on Cubans, on Haitians, on

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Speaker 2: Venezuelan's is to just increase the pool of deportations.

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Speaker 1: Right. I know, there's no other explanation than that.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm old enough to remember as a senator

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Speaker 2: Marco Rubio who would fight really hard for TPM for

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Speaker 2: particularly for Venezuelan. And do you think you can have

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Speaker 2: a conversation with them? Do you think they're going to

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Speaker 2: be ready to to dabble in politics that isn't republican?

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Speaker 3: Yes? Absolutely, Now, very importantly, you're exactly right. We have

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Speaker 3: to bring some of those numbers back. Right for a

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Speaker 3: Democrat to win stay wide in Florida, we have to

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Speaker 3: recognize that the Cuban American, Venezuelan, American, Haitian American communities

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Speaker 3: have started trending more read in recent elections. We have

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Speaker 3: to reverse that. But here's something that I do have a.

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Speaker 2: Theory as to why it was trending red. Do you

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Speaker 2: think it's all economics, Well.

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Speaker 3: Let's start with Democrats, right, Democrats should be able to

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Speaker 3: go into those communities, and now socialism and communism and

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Speaker 3: say capitalism provides opportunity for everybody. That's what I'm doing,

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Speaker 3: and past Democrats wouldn't do that. I don't think Joe

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Speaker 3: Biden would even do that. Now I'm also saying, but

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Speaker 3: as Democrats, we're going to fight for capitalism that protects everybody,

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Speaker 3: and along the way, if your personal economy gets disrupted,

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Speaker 3: it's the Democratic Party that's going to make sure you

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Speaker 3: have access to food security, and housing security and quality healthcare.

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Speaker 3: Because I'm not sure the other side of the aisle

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Speaker 3: makes those same promises when they just talk about equality

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Speaker 3: of opportunity, but here specifically on the so look, I

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Speaker 3: think the affordability crisis translates across every community, immigrant community,

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Speaker 3: faith communities. Northwest Florida and northeast South Florida doesn't matter.

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Speaker 3: The affordability crisis hits everybody. Can you afford your home?

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Speaker 3: Can you get to work? But specifically on immigration, Chuck,

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Speaker 3: this is interesting. Look, as I mentioned I alluded to

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Speaker 3: just a few minutes ago, I do think there are

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Speaker 3: reasons to look at some darker themes and Republican immigration

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Speaker 3: policy and question the motives. But I would say in

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Speaker 3: past cycles where terms like xenophobia and anti immigration have

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Speaker 3: been used, even if they're defensible in their I don't

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Speaker 3: think that's been effective at bringing back the Cuban American

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Speaker 3: Venezuelan American votes. But this cycle, there are two themes

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Speaker 3: that are well understood. First a broken promises and second

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Speaker 3: is cruelty, right when they see the enforcement against people

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Speaker 3: just otherwise trying to comply, when they see a raid

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Speaker 3: on the sixth grade graduation that sends parents running from

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Speaker 3: their kids, or when they see a community now under

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Speaker 3: attack and they say, wait, I didn't think you were

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Speaker 3: talking about my community, mister Trump or mister DeSantis. Cruelty

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Speaker 3: and broken promises set the stage for returning the leadership

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Speaker 3: in Florida where everyone is welcome and celebrated and lifted up.

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Speaker 2: Look, I sort of trace the flip of Florida from

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Speaker 2: swing state to red state to Andrew Gillum and the

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Speaker 2: S word being socialism and the Bernie Sanders came in,

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Speaker 2: you know, rescued you know, Andrew Gillum in that primary

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Speaker 2: and he almost went. So there's this feeling among Democrats

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Speaker 2: that hey, this isn't a problem anymore. And you know,

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Speaker 2: Republicans exploited it, particularly in Spanish language radio down in

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Speaker 2: South Florida. There was a whole bunch of Spanish language

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Speaker 2: misinformation that was happening before people were paying attention to misinformation.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know, like that's a you know, I

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Speaker 2: don't know how you un you know, it's possible by

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Speaker 2: the time this airs, there might be a socialist Democratic

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Speaker 2: socialist is the nominee for mayor in New York City,

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Speaker 2: potentially defining the Democratic Party this way, do you feel

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Speaker 2: as if you have to constantly beat back the S

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Speaker 2: word in order to be credible down in South Florida.

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Speaker 3: I don't have to beat it back because I'm not

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Speaker 3: in a fight with it. I believe we're unifying the

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Speaker 3: Democratic primary around the Democratic Party that's going to solve

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Speaker 3: the affordability crisis and denounce socialism and communism right Cuba

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Speaker 3: no or Castro nova Cuba yes, right, lift up the people,

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Speaker 3: but denounce the economic systems that have kept them entrapped.

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Speaker 3: And we cannot be a state, a country, or democratic

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Speaker 3: party that chases socialism. Now, I'll leave it to others,

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Speaker 3: mayoral candidates or others to defend their position, But what

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Speaker 3: I know is that we're going to fight for fair

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Speaker 3: capitalism that lifts everybody up, and we're going to be

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Speaker 3: there when your personal economy gets disrupted, and those are

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Speaker 3: promises that can't be made by the Republican side.

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Speaker 1: And I'll give you a couple examples.

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Speaker 3: Look, the property insurance market in Florida has collapsed and

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Speaker 3: it's not coming back. You could argue the same about

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Speaker 3: our health insurance market in many pockets as well.

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Speaker 1: So there is a.

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Speaker 3: Role for government to step in with property insurance to

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Speaker 3: say we need a state catastrophic fund to remove hurricane

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Speaker 3: coverage from the private market because it creates an affordability crisis.

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Speaker 3: We need to expand medicaid in the communities and the

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Speaker 3: income brackets where we don't have it, because the health

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Speaker 3: insurance market has collapsed in healthcare is too expensive. And

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Speaker 3: so I do see a role for government in people's

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Speaker 3: personal economies. But I still defend a capitalist economy because

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Speaker 3: the free market creates opportunity for people to grow. That's

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Speaker 3: David Jolly's position in this governor's race, and I believe

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Speaker 3: that's the Florida Democrats position as well.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about the affordability issue with housing sure during

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Speaker 2: and I can't remember which hurricane it was, but I'll

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Speaker 2: never forget interviewing Rick Scott, right after a hurricane, and

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Speaker 2: we were talking about Collier County versus Charlotte County, and

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Speaker 2: this hurricane came right up through there and it really

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Speaker 2: and call your held up pretty well. And Charlotte was devastated.

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Speaker 2: And here that here was the biggest and I'll never

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Speaker 2: forget Scott sort of admitting this and not knowing where

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Speaker 2: to go from here. And it was due to manufactured housing.

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Speaker 2: Charlotte County allowed manufactured housing, call Youer County did not.

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Speaker 2: And so but here's the here's the conundrum that Florida

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Speaker 2: dream you and I were just talking about earlier. For retirees,

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Speaker 2: manufactured housing is the only housing that can you know,

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Speaker 2: that's what gets them here. That's and if you're Charlotte County,

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Speaker 2: I could sit here and say what are you doing.

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Speaker 2: You're putting people's lives at stake, and they're saying, hey,

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Speaker 2: we're trying to expand our property, we're trying to expand

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Speaker 2: our tax base, and we're trying to raise fund you know,

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Speaker 2: so we can. It is this is the challenge. What's

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Speaker 2: affordable housing materials frankly shouldn't be legal in the state

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Speaker 2: of Florida in the manufactured housing because of all the

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Speaker 2: damage due to hurricanes, and yet how do you have

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Speaker 2: affordable housing? If you ban that call, your county is

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Speaker 2: essentially accounting.

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Speaker 1: For rich people, right right.

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Speaker 3: Look, so so fortunately there are advancements and material sciences

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Speaker 3: and modular homes. Now what we now think of modular

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Speaker 3: homes that are that are engineered now are as resilient

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Speaker 3: as many block homes you'll see. But we're not there

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Speaker 3: yet to your point in the economy. Look, I just

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Speaker 3: drove from Tampa back to Miami last night, actually from

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Speaker 3: Waimama for people who know Florida geography, and I went

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Speaker 3: around Lake Okachobee in many of those communities where that's

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Speaker 3: still all that exists in terms of housing. But you

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Speaker 3: can buy all.

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Speaker 2: The lakes in central Florida. You go along there, you know,

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Speaker 2: people want to live by the water, and it's great.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you, augusta wind's going to knock these is over.

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Speaker 3: Sure you can buy a home for one hundred and

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Speaker 3: fifty thousand dollars or less. So look, we'll leave it

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Speaker 3: to the underwriters to figure out the actual science behind

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Speaker 3: how to cover those But here is what I know.

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Speaker 3: In Florida, California, Texas, other states that are prone to

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Speaker 3: natural disasters. One, we've not done enough to try to

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Speaker 3: prevent natural disasters by denying climate science. In the state

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Speaker 3: of Florida, we should accept climate science. Two, we haven't

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Speaker 3: invested in invested in infrastructure and hardening. But chuck, the

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Speaker 3: private insurance market is not capable of covering natural disaster

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Speaker 3: risks in Florida, Texas, California, others.

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Speaker 1: I could argue, we're.

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Speaker 2: Going to we're getting to fifty states are going to

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Speaker 2: say that, So then wavy.

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Speaker 1: So what does this look like?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I hear you. I don't disagree. But are

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Speaker 2: we going to not have private insurance anymore?

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Speaker 3: No? No, we'll have private insurance. But but here's what

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Speaker 3: I when I was in Congress ten years ago as

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Speaker 3: a Republican, I introduced a National Catastrophic Fund to basically

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Speaker 3: ensure against fires out west, Tornado alley, snow sleet northeast,

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Speaker 3: and hurricanes in the south East because it is driving

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Speaker 3: the expense, but also because the insurance companies always fail

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Speaker 3: to cover the claims after a hurricane. Anyway, and in Florida,

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Speaker 3: we have undercapitalized firms that are allowed by Republican politicians.

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Speaker 3: They get to ship their profits out of state, keep

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Speaker 3: their losses here. A big storm comes and they leave,

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Speaker 3: Consumers are left holding the bag. But here's here's where

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Speaker 3: a cap fund matters. Okay, so every scenario is about

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Speaker 3: the same. There's been a three to four hundred percent

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Speaker 3: increase in insurance over the last decade, give or take right.

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Speaker 1: Those are ballpark numbers.

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Speaker 3: It has become unaffordable for many people to stay in

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Speaker 3: their homes, not because of the mortgage that they had,

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Speaker 3: but because the insurance costs. So my proposal is remove

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Speaker 3: hurricane coverage from the private market, put it in a

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Speaker 3: state cap fund. Now you still have the private market

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Speaker 3: cover your traditional perils fire, slip and fall, floods, whatever

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Speaker 3: it might be. But what happens is your private insurance

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Speaker 3: policy drops by as much as fifty sixty percent. We

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Speaker 3: priced hours that drop by sixty five percent. The reason

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Speaker 3: you can't do that is your mortgage company wants you

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Speaker 3: to be covered for hurricanes. Right, that makes sense, and

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Speaker 3: so recognize that market's failed. It has failed consumers. Put

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Speaker 3: it in a state catastrophic fund that is funded through

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Speaker 3: bed taxes, stock taxes, stamp taxes actually require insurance companies

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Speaker 3: to keep their profits here. We could raise three billion

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Speaker 3: dollars doing that just next year in Florida alone. What

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Speaker 3: it does is that stabilizes the private insurance market, drives

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Speaker 3: down costs for residential, commercial industrial passes along to renters

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Speaker 3: as well, and actually begins to attack the affordability crisis.

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Speaker 3: To the point of this conversations republic Republicans will call

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Speaker 3: it socialism.

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Speaker 1: They won't do it.

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Speaker 3: They will I just call it cheaper insurance. And that's

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Speaker 3: what we're fighting for.

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Speaker 2: The Let's talk about your revolution politically, because you talked

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Speaker 2: about expanding medicaid. You voted against Obamacare, sure try voted

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Speaker 2: to repeal it a couple of times. How did you

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Speaker 2: get How did you get to expanding medicaid from appealing Obamacare?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I love this conversation because change is part of

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Speaker 3: my journey, you know. I know you alluded to Charlie

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Speaker 3: crist earlier.

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Speaker 1: Look, I mean, let me let me pause here.

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Speaker 2: I hate how we treat people that change their mind right,

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Speaker 2: we try to in life. We always want to believe.

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Speaker 2: I totally and I come at this very honestly here.

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Speaker 2: But I also want to ask you these questions because

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Speaker 2: you've got to be able to answer them if you're

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Speaker 2: going to survive a campaign, because you know.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be hardball.

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Speaker 3: Listen, this is the strength of our campaign. Change is

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Speaker 3: the strength of our campaign. Change is the theme of

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Speaker 3: getting the new leadership in the state of Florida. Change

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Speaker 3: is the strength of my story. Okay, Now, very importantly

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Speaker 3: when it comes to comparison to Charlie, because and I

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Speaker 3: say this respectfully, Charlie would always say I didn't change

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Speaker 3: the party. Did David Jolly changed? I've changed my position now.

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Speaker 1: So you're one of those that say the party left me.

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Speaker 2: You're saying, no, I've thought about these things I've learned,

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Speaker 2: and I'm now here.

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Speaker 3: That's exactly right. Now. Look, I think we both went

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Speaker 3: in different directions, right. I was a Bush forty one

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Speaker 3: Republican who was fighting against the Tea Party, and then

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Speaker 3: Trump comes along and I went to the House floor

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Speaker 3: called on him to drop out of the race December fifth, Chuck,

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Speaker 3: you had me on TV that day and you said,

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Speaker 3: but what if he is the nominee? Right? But ultimately

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Speaker 3: I never came around to Donald Trump. The party was

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Speaker 3: going that way, but along the way I was going

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Speaker 3: in the other way too.

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Speaker 1: And so I'll give you some examples.

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Speaker 3: Look, as a Republican in Congress, I supported marriage equality,

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Speaker 3: climate science, gun control, campaign finance reform. That's not how

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Speaker 3: I arrived at Congress, but I was a Republican representing

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Speaker 3: a fifty to fifty district. President Obama had won it twice.

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Speaker 3: I woke up every day actually thinking about how do

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Speaker 3: I serve my community and so on Obamacare, for instance,

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Speaker 3: I went from saying, yeah, I'm against it to eventually,

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Speaker 3: together with Charlie den Fred Upton and some others at

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Speaker 3: the time, we became the twelve or fourteen votes that

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Speaker 3: stopped all the repeal votes to say we're not just

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Speaker 3: going to keep trying to repeal if we don't have

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Speaker 3: a replace. And then I got to the place where

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Speaker 3: I realized, wait a minute. Medicaid provides now over forty

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Speaker 3: percent of childbirth services in the state of Florida. It

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Speaker 3: provides for our rural hospitals to remain open. Medicaid provides

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Speaker 3: for long term care for patients with the minch in

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Speaker 3: senior facilities, and so we need Medicaid expansion. It's a growth.

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Speaker 3: That's an area where I changed look on questions of

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Speaker 3: reproductive freedom. Some of the hardest questions of all on

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Speaker 3: this trail. Mine is a story of change. I came

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Speaker 3: to Congress thinking I was applying my faith teachings to

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Speaker 3: constitutional questions I shouldn't have. That was wrong, and so

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Speaker 3: as I served, I became the only Republican to vote

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Speaker 3: against the Planned Parenthood investigation. That was a hard vote

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Speaker 3: on my side of the aisle, the only one. When

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Speaker 3: they went to repeal four hundred million dollars from Planned Parenthood,

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Speaker 3: I introduced a compromise to move that money to community

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Speaker 3: health centers. I then got to where I realized constitutionally

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Speaker 3: the row Casey framework, Roe v. Wade, and KCV Planned

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Speaker 3: Parenthood in ninety eight was the right constitutional framework to

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Speaker 3: protect bodily autonomy, reproductive health care decisions, keep politicians out

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Speaker 3: of the doctor's office. Well also, by the way, protecting

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Speaker 3: religious freedom for people of faith to go celebrate and

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Speaker 3: teach and evangelize their t that's also a fundamental freedom

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Speaker 3: we have. But that was a journey, right. I wasn't

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Speaker 3: there in twenty thirteen when I first ran for Congress.

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Speaker 3: I was there on some of these issues. By the

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Speaker 3: time I left, or into seventeen or eighteen, I spent

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Speaker 3: six years as an independent, and so my values have

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Speaker 3: stayed the same. I would argue, which is the economy

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Speaker 3: should work, the government should serve its people, and people's

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Speaker 3: rights and liberty should be protected and they should be

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Speaker 3: lifted up. Those are values, But on policies, sure, as

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Speaker 3: I've applied those values, I've changed. I love this conversation, Chuck,

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Speaker 3: because you know what. Most voters have changed in one

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Speaker 3: area or another. Some have hardened their positions, some have

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Speaker 3: changed their positions, changed their parties. But you know who's

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Speaker 3: changed the most elected Republicans? Right, My old party used

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Speaker 3: to be for fiscal discipline and personal freedom.

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Speaker 1: Now they're exploding the debt and they.

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Speaker 3: Want Rondasantis in your libraries, your classrooms, in your doctor's offices,

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Speaker 3: in your bedrooms. The problem is not with politicians who changed,

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Speaker 3: it's for those who don't change, or if they change,

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Speaker 3: they won't admit. I love this space, and I invite

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Speaker 3: my critics to.

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Speaker 1: Come at me with it, because I love the conversation.

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Speaker 1: Where are young guns?

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Speaker 2: You had a nice you had a good NRA rating

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Speaker 2: as a Congressman's Republican congressman got the classic A rating.

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Speaker 2: And look, let's be honest state of Florida is a

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Speaker 2: pro gun state, and I think it probably cuts across

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Speaker 2: party line. So this isn't any easy. I'm not going

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Speaker 2: to sit here and say it's an easy position in

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Speaker 2: a Democratic primary. Maybe one position is better than another,

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Speaker 2: but overall, so what's what does responsible gun ownership laws

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Speaker 2: look like to you?

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Speaker 3: No? No, listen, this is an area where I have moved.

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Speaker 3: I moved quickly when I was in Congress. First of all,

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Speaker 3: the a rating. This is funny how it works. I

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Speaker 3: remember when the gun lobby came to me when I

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Speaker 3: was a candidate for Congress. I had never been in office,

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Speaker 3: so I didn't have a rating, and I said, if

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Speaker 3: you join the NRA, we will endorce you.

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Speaker 1: That's how it works. I just that's it gets worse.

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Speaker 1: Let me's I believe they call that quid pro quo. Right?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well I refuse to right. It was a Bush

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Speaker 3: forty one Republican who celebrated when Bush left the NRA.

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Speaker 3: Is that I'm not sing?

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Speaker 2: I got a pause here. This is twice you've done this,

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Speaker 2: Bush forty one Republican. You go out of what do

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Speaker 2: you in your mind is what makes a Bush forty

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Speaker 2: one Republican versus a Bush forty three Republican.

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Speaker 3: I think I think, well, look, I that's an interesting question.

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Speaker 3: Out of comparison. Here's what I see in Bush forty one,

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Speaker 3: someone who believed in the private sector. Right. I still

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Speaker 3: think today lower economic or lower taxes for corporations actually

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Speaker 3: do contribute to economic growth. I still think more efficient,

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Speaker 3: lean government is important. But like Bush forty one, I

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Speaker 3: saw a role for government in people's lives, a role

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Speaker 3: for a strong defense, and the basic responsible administration of government.

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Speaker 3: I would say by the time Bush forty three came along,

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Speaker 3: there was more more of an ideological lane for him,

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Speaker 3: particularly in areas of education, social issues, and so forth.

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Speaker 3: So put me in the forty one camp. But is

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Speaker 3: what it is.

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Speaker 1: And so look on guns though, here's how it works.

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Speaker 3: They wanted me to join the NRA, and I wouldn't,

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Speaker 3: And so then they said, well, you've got to do

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Speaker 3: something for us.

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Speaker 1: Would you take a gun safety class? So I did.

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Speaker 1: I took a gun safety class. Here was what was

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Speaker 1: at play.

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Speaker 3: I was running against Alex Sink, a former CFO of

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Speaker 3: the State A. I don't know if she would describe

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Speaker 3: herself moderate or liberal, but the NRA hated her and

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Speaker 3: the gun lobby did not want her, so it was

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Speaker 3: more about opposing her than coming on my side. Nonetheless,

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Speaker 3: as a candidate, you can't get an A plus because

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Speaker 3: you haven't voted, but they give you an A. So

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Speaker 3: they gave me an A. They sent out the orange cards.

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Speaker 3: Everybody thinks Jolly's this gun guy. Well I get to

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Speaker 3: Congress and I start voting on gun issues and they

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Speaker 3: don't understand who this Jolly guy is because he's actually

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Speaker 3: not a gun guy. So in my reelection, this is

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Speaker 3: really how it works. They gave Charlie crist a F

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Speaker 3: rating because they hated Charlie that bad, and they gave

866
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 3: me a no rating. Rather than tell their guys in

867
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Speaker 3: the NRA that Jolly's a C or a D or

868
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Speaker 3: an F, they just gave me a no rating. And

869
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:08,320
Speaker 3: it was the wink in the nod of vote for Jolly.

870
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Speaker 3: But very importantly, look, I am sure there are areas

871
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Speaker 3: where growing up in Florida, we weren't really a gun family,

872
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 3: but I came, you know, I grew up kind of

873
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 3: entering politics as a Republican, somewhat conservative, and on gun

874
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 3: issues would have spoken the second Amendment language fairly, well,

875
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 3: not perfectly, but I began to grow on that as well,

876
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 3: when I realized we're holding the public trust, we're having

877
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 3: to make decisions about policy. And so a defining moment

878
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 3: for me was after the Poults night club I was,

879
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,240
Speaker 3: I was in South Florida. We fly back to Washington.

880
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 3: Democrats shut down the House with their sit in, and

881
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 3: their suggestion was, if you're on the no fly list,

882
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 3: you shouldn't be able to buy a gun. I thought

883
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 3: that made perfect sense. So I joined with Democrats to say, yeah,

884
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 3: let's do that. The gun lobby and Republicans said, oh no, no,

885
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 3: there's no due process on the no fly list. So

886
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 3: I introduced a compromise that said, if you're on the

887
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 3: no fly list, you can't buy a gun, but you're

888
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 3: entitled a due process. The government has to put their

889
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 3: evidence up, you get a hearing within ten days, it's

890
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 3: closed whatever. Alison Camarada on CNN that morning, he said, jolly,

891
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 3: you're making too much sense. Republicans killed it. Democrats didn't

892
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:16,839
Speaker 3: want to give a Republican a victory. But I will

893
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 3: tell you my journey now has included I'm for much

894
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 3: more aggressive comprehensive universal background checks. In a home where

895
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 3: there's domestic violence but the husband was never convicted, that

896
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 3: should still come up in a background check. We should

897
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 3: check every transfer, including between a father and a son.

898
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 3: That doesn't make it any safer just because it's between

899
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 3: family if there's no background check. I'm for banning the

900
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 3: sale the transfer of assault weapons. We're not going to

901
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 3: go take them from people. It's not gun grabbing, but

902
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 3: I think we need to restrict the sale environment for

903
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 3: assault weapons. We can at least prohibit banana clips and

904
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 3: some of the larger you know, the larger magazines, if

905
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 3: you will. There's a lot we can do. But here's

906
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 3: the most important thing, Chuck. None of that restricts a

907
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:01,479
Speaker 3: gun owner from actually response gun owner from owning a gun.

908
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 3: We're talking about strengthening gun laws so that we protect

909
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 3: their kids just like we protect mine. And I need

910
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 3: to have that conversation with gun owners. We have to

911
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 3: be Democrats that are willing to do that.

912
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 2: There's a lot of people flirting with independent runs. You

913
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 2: have Jason Pizzow, a former Democrat. First, I'm curious did

914
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 2: you meet with him? You guys, you know it's interesting

915
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 2: to me that he's a former Democrat going independent, you're

916
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 2: former independent going Democrat.

917
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 1: Literally, you were ships passing.

918
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 2: You may have passed each other, and your voter registration

919
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 2: changes it. You guys are going to eat into each other.

920
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 2: I assume you both know this. Sure, what what's you know?

921
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:45,879
Speaker 2: That's a It's a hard race to win if there's

922
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 2: just one of you.

923
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 3: Yeah. So so here's what I would say. Qualifying is

924
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 3: not until next June. So we will see who decides

925
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,360
Speaker 3: to run next June. Be tween now and then. My

926
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:59,240
Speaker 3: job is to build a coalition that represents sufficient change

927
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 3: that likes of Jason Pizzo, John Morgan, John Smith, Sally Smith. Say,

928
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 3: you know what, what I see and what Jolly's built

929
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 3: is something I can believe in. That's for them my

930
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 3: control as a candidate to build a strong enough coalition.

931
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 3: But yeah, look, Jason and I had not met before

932
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 3: I got into this race and before he changed parties.

933
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 3: But as races work, you know, there was some kismet

934
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 3: involved in this. We happened to pass each other at

935
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 3: a hotel lobby one day and we sat down and

936
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,280
Speaker 3: we talked for two hours, and I told him, look,

937
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 3: I admire anyone who follows their political conviction. I did it.

938
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 3: He changed his party. I changed mind six or seven

939
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 3: years ago. I think he's committed to change. He thinks

940
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 3: we need new leadership in the state of Florida. I

941
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 3: agree with that. I just think the way we do

942
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 3: politics nationally and in the state, unless we're going to

943
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 3: have broad based electoral reform, which we need, campaign finance reform,

944
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:52,240
Speaker 3: which we need, change comes about through new democratic leadership,

945
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 3: building a coalition that includes independents and Republicans.

946
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 1: And if we can build that, we can win this race.

947
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 3: As a Democratic nomine I do not believe there's a

948
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Speaker 3: pathway for an independent to win statewide in Florida.

949
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 1: I just don't think the numbers ever work out there.

950
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:08,240
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny.

951
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 2: I had Rob sand On recently, he's the likely Democratic

952
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 2: nominee for governor of Iowa, and he sort of called

953
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 2: himself a reluctant Democrat. He said, look, it's the vehicle.

954
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 2: It's the best vehicle available, you know, to oppose the Republican.

955
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 2: Is that why you're a Democrat?

956
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:26,800
Speaker 1: Or no? Are you there for that?

957
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:27,360
Speaker 3: Disagree?

958
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 1: I disagree.

959
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 3: I think my values aligned perfectly. I really mean this,

960
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 3: there's a lot of self reflection too. These are values

961
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 3: I had as a Republican and independent, but I see

962
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 3: in today's Democratic Party. Three values.

963
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: The economy should work for everyone, not just the rich

964
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 1: and the reckless.

965
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:44,720
Speaker 3: The government should serve it's citizens, it's seniors, it's veterans,

966
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 3: it's storm victims. Provide for excellence in public education for

967
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 3: Florida's families. It's a value that the government should serve

968
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 3: its people. And then three, we should be a state

969
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:56,359
Speaker 3: where everyone is welcome and lifted up, regardless of where

970
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 3: you were born, the color of your skin, who you love,

971
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 3: or who you worship. Those are values that I see

972
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 3: in today's Democratic Party, and I don't think those values

973
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 3: need to change. I think we need to amplify those

974
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 3: democratic values. And I think Democrats should be offended at all.

975
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:11,280
Speaker 3: Due respect, I don't know the Democratic nominee in Iowa,

976
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 3: and I apologize Iowa was different than Florida. If I

977
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 3: were to do that in Florida. I think Florida Democrats

978
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 3: should be offended by someone saying I'm going to come

979
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,240
Speaker 3: in and just use the party as a vessel.

980
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: It's absolutely wrong. The democratic value need to say it

981
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 1: that way.

982
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 2: He's been a statewide elect the Democrat and all this stuff.

983
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 2: But he certainly didn't. I could tell his discomfort with

984
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 2: the national brand of the Democratic Party.

985
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 1: Sure, the brand that is popular. Yeah, it is a

986
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: popular place, a place like Florida. Yeah.

987
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 3: No, that's exactly right. And look, your points will taken,

988
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 3: and I should be careful how I refer to someone.

989
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 1: And I haven't had that conversation, and I may have short.

990
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 2: I could have paraphrased him and he could, you know,

991
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 2: and you know, look, we're open source here. So that's

992
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 2: why I didn't want to get you into a shouting

993
00:51:59,040 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 2: match with somebody.

994
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 3: No. No, here's where I imagine we agree. Here's why

995
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 3: I imagine we agree on this. I imagine he's fighting

996
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 3: for Democratic values as well, and I agree with him

997
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 3: that the Democratic brand is really distressed. Right now in

998
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 3: the state of Florida, there's a one point two million

999
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 3: voter registration gap between Republicans and Democrats. Now, I would

1000
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 3: tell you only thirty nine percent of the state as

1001
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 3: a registered Republican. Only about thirty two percent or loyal Republican.

1002
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:24,879
Speaker 3: So I'm okay with the math.

1003
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 4: But I think where he is right and I would

1004
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 4: agree is we have to redefine what it means to

1005
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 4: be a democrat in this environment, and in the midst

1006
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 4: of a state affordability crisis in the state of Florida,

1007
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 4: that means meeting voters right where they're at, which is

1008
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 4: I'm worried about paying my rent, I'm worried about access

1009
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 4: to health care and education.

1010
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 3: Look, we are in the bottom three states nationally in

1011
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:49,320
Speaker 3: the state of Florida for what's called ALICE, which is

1012
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 3: basically your asset limited income constraint but employed.

1013
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:57,799
Speaker 1: You're employed. Fifty one percent of Florida sean alice before.

1014
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:00,320
Speaker 1: Where did that come from? Who's yes, it's.

1015
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 3: An economic study. I don't believe it's the chamber, but

1016
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:05,800
Speaker 3: it's an economic study. And if you think about the elements,

1017
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:07,799
Speaker 3: the most critical one is we're talking about people who

1018
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 3: are employed. So exactly, I believe fifty percent of the state,

1019
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 3: or fifty one percent of Floridians are now ALICE, which

1020
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 3: is well set limited. Right, you don't have a lot

1021
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 3: of savings to get you through a month or two

1022
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:21,800
Speaker 3: of disruption. Income constrained, so you're working a job with

1023
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 3: a lot of without a lot of upward mobility, but

1024
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:27,760
Speaker 3: you are employed so you're Alice. You're living paycheck to paycheck.

1025
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 3: That's our affordability crisis in the state of Florida. Republicans

1026
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 3: will not solve that, Chuck. They've had power for twenty

1027
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 3: or thirty years. They've arguably created this crisis. They've created

1028
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 3: a failing insurance market and inequitable property tax structure. They've

1029
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 3: created roadways where you have to pay a toll instead

1030
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 3: of investing in mass transit. You now have to live

1031
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 3: two hours away from your workplace if you're a teacher

1032
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:52,359
Speaker 3: or a first responder. That is the Alice burden right

1033
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 3: now in the state of Florida. That is the affordability

1034
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:58,839
Speaker 3: crisis Republicans created. It can't solve it. Democratic values can

1035
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 3: And so I'm a proud Florida Democrat in this race.

1036
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:04,959
Speaker 2: Well, you just stumbled on something that to me could

1037
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 2: be powerful because it has in other states, which is

1038
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 2: I believe we're twenty seven straight years of a Republican trifecta, right,

1039
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:16,359
Speaker 2: not since Lawton Child's left office in ninety nine, right,

1040
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 2: basically January January ninety not that right, or actually, be

1041
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 2: Buddy McKay, I think Laton Childs didn't survive, but It

1042
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 2: was then Buddy McKay that in theory, no state, I

1043
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 2: mean even the reddest of red states or the bluest

1044
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 2: of blue states, don't go that long with one party

1045
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 2: in charge because usually there's some there's some there's some pushback,

1046
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 2: or there's some fallout. So why do you think there hasn't.

1047
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 2: I look at this Republican legislature and I just don't

1048
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 2: know if it's because it's just an undemocratic system they've

1049
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:49,799
Speaker 2: created in the House in the center.

1050
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 1: I mean, with a.

1051
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 2: Legislator, it's all Jerry Mandarin, it's all Oh, Jerry Mander.

1052
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 2: It's on a level that I don't think I hear

1053
00:54:57,600 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 2: people complaining about this in other states.

1054
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 1: Only in this state of Florida.

1055
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:02,919
Speaker 2: Do you know the Speaker of the House a couple

1056
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 2: of years in advance, So literally there's a bidding war

1057
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:09,919
Speaker 2: to employ the speaker because you can have exact job

1058
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 2: while you're in the legislature, which is again a very

1059
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:16,399
Speaker 2: corruptible practice, which is another topic I want to get

1060
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 2: to you, because here you're a lobbyist, former lobbyist for me,

1061
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 2: who I guess is seeing how corruptible that we come.

1062
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 3: Look, I think we need a lifetime ban on former

1063
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 3: members from lobbying.

1064
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 1: I've like a reform smoker. Huh, You're like, I will say,

1065
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 1: I live back a day or and I'm out.

1066
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Speaker 3: You know, we have the most corrupt campaign finance system

1067
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 3: in the entire world, and Florida's worse than it is nationally.

1068
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:41,279
Speaker 3: The Tallahassee is the real swamp. If Donald Trump wants

1069
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:43,759
Speaker 3: to drain the swamp, start in Tallahassee, Florida. Because look,

1070
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 3: here's an example. Voters in Key West vote to ban

1071
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:50,720
Speaker 3: large ships from their municipality. They say it's destroying the environment,

1072
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 3: it's straining our economy. Voters say we don't want it.

1073
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Speaker 3: Ron DeSantis and Republican legislators through Tallahassee overturned the will

1074
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 3: of local voters, and then the Santa States a million

1075
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 3: dollar check from the cruise industry. That is corruption, but

1076
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 3: is legal in some ways. You can't fault the old

1077
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 3: guy like he's abiding by the law. We need to

1078
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 3: change the law. So look, I do think there's a

1079
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 3: whiff of corruption in this. The first lady right now,

1080
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:19,359
Speaker 3: Casey DeSantis and Governor DeSantis. There are allegations by Republicans

1081
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 3: that they basically stole ten million dollars in Medicaid money

1082
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:25,360
Speaker 3: for a political initiative that they wanted to use it on.

1083
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 3: There is a lot of corruption in Tallahassee. And but

1084
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 3: here's the thing on Okay, it's been twenty seven years. Look,

1085
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:34,879
Speaker 3: a lot of that is because Republicans took the state

1086
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 3: where the state wanted to go in education, the economy,

1087
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 3: and so forth. But I think where every cycle is

1088
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 3: different is they've gone too far right now, the voucher

1089
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 3: system is actually hurting Florida families, not helping them. And

1090
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 3: they turn to look for a public education environment and

1091
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:51,840
Speaker 3: they can't find one because it's been starved.

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00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:56,280
Speaker 2: David. They're shut my high school, which I was proud of, Achillian.

1093
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 2: I hear it's so bad and dilapidated that there's some

1094
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:03,800
Speaker 2: talk of clues. And it's only because you know Dade County.

1095
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 2: Excuse me, Miami Dade County. I'm still old fashioned. Is

1096
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:10,799
Speaker 2: it's a fourteer I always I say it's a four

1097
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 2: tiered system. So if you're super wealthy, you get the privates.

1098
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 2: If you're fully you know, if you're a parent, maybe

1099
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 2: working class parent, but you're super engaged, you know how

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00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 2: to navigate the system. You can find a good charter

1101
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 2: or or or a good magnet school. So you get

1102
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:29,919
Speaker 2: your charters, then your magnets, and if you know, maybe

1103
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 2: you're maybe you just don't understand how the system works

1104
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 2: and you think, okay, public school, just go to the

1105
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 2: neighborhood school, and you could end up just in a

1106
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 2: school that has nothing. And I just it is the

1107
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 2: public school system I think has been just completely gutted

1108
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 2: in the state of Florida. But I'm that may sound

1109
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 2: like a political statement, doesn't I don't mean it that way.

1110
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 2: In Celtics, it just feels like it's been gutted with

1111
00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 2: good intentions. We all want to find a better school

1112
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 2: if we don't like our kids' school. Like I think

1113
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 2: the goal is noble. I don't want to sit here

1114
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 2: and say the goal's not noble, but this does seem

1115
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 2: like a system that is broken.

1116
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 3: It started as noble, Chuck, but I think it's become

1117
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 3: very insidious. And if we give grace to Jeb Bush,

1118
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 3: his idea, I think was a noble one that if

1119
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 3: you have a kid in a failing school, we've got

1120
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 3: to fix that school. But in the meantime, we're going

1121
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 3: to give you a voucher to get your kids out. Okay,

1122
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 3: that there's some nobility to that, but it's only noble

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00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 3: if you fix the public school. And I think where

1124
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 3: it's gotten insidious is this generation of Republican leaders have

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00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 3: been fined to just abandon public education.

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Speaker 2: You know, they'll sell them to charters. Well tell the

1127
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 2: actual building and they say here, you go ahead and

1128
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 2: have it. And you're like, wait a minute, my four

1129
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 2: product dollars or just four profit charters?

1130
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 1: Right?

1131
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 3: And then the next stage that is worse. We went

1132
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 3: to universal vouchers, and so now we're giving every family

1133
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 3: eight thousand dollars to go to a private school. Here's

1134
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 3: the problem with that. Our public education system cannot compete

1135
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 3: with funding for private schools because Republicans won't provide the funding.

1136
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 3: We still have excellence in public education, but only out

1137
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 3: of the sheer commitment, love, and willingness of our teachers

1138
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 3: and administrators in those schools. Our teachers are paid fiftieth

1139
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 3: out of fifty states dead lasts in the nation. That's

1140
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 3: a moral wrong. That's not a political issue, as a

1141
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 3: moral wrong, but Republicans have done that. What started with

1142
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:25,680
Speaker 3: choice has turned into an attack on public education. But

1143
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 3: here's where Republican performing families chuck have caught on to this.

1144
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 3: So we went to universal vouchers two years ago. I

1145
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 3: believe maybe three seventy percent of the first year of

1146
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 3: families receiving vouchers were already in the private schools. So

1147
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 3: now it's no longer about choice. So now it's just

1148
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 3: about diverting money. Now it's about subsidizing private schools. And

1149
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 3: here's the important thing. They don't have to abide by

1150
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 3: the same rules your first grade kid can't learn to read.

1151
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 3: They don't have to provide an IEP. They can hold

1152
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:52,400
Speaker 3: them back or disenroll them, but they don't have to

1153
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 3: provide any special services. So they kick them out and

1154
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:57,400
Speaker 3: by March or April they send them back to a

1155
00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:00,440
Speaker 3: public school. But that student's tuition has our already gone

1156
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 3: to the private school, and the public school has the burden.

1157
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:05,920
Speaker 3: So look, if the affordability crisis is number one in

1158
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:08,880
Speaker 3: this race, second is public education. We're going to have

1159
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 3: more community public schools and more neighborhoods with more teachers

1160
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 3: who are paid more. I want to set a target

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Speaker 3: of paying teachers thirty percent more, not three. It could

1162
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 3: take four years put the bogie out there and say

1163
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 3: how do we get there over four years, get us

1164
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 3: into the top half. But then on our vouchers, one

1165
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:25,880
Speaker 3: we do away with four profit charters in the public

1166
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 3: education system, and on vouchers, we say, if you accept

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01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 3: a voucher, that's it. You don't get to upcharge additional tuition.

1168
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Speaker 3: You're going to have to provide the same exact services

1169
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 3: as our public schools are. And you're not allowed to

1170
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 3: disenroll a kid because they can't read. You got to

1171
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Speaker 3: make sure they can read. That really constrains the voucher environment.

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Speaker 3: But notice, Chuck, I'm a different Democrat. I'm not saying

1173
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Speaker 3: kill choice in the state of Florida. I'm saying invest

1174
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:51,520
Speaker 3: in public education so it out competes the voucher schools,

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Speaker 3: and put new rules on the voucher schools so that

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01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 3: both private and public are seen as education partners for

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Speaker 3: Florida's families.

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Speaker 2: They got to play by the same rules and have

1179
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 2: the same reas sources. How here's the part that I've

1180
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 2: never I've never been able to wrap my arms around.

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Speaker 2: So who's vetting these teachers at these charters and who

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01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 2: vets the like you just brought up that if a

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01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:17,120
Speaker 2: first grader doesn't you know, sometimes these you know, private schools,

1184
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 2: you know, they don't have to deal with special needs kids.

1185
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:24,720
Speaker 2: They can choose not to take a special needs child.

1186
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 2: Sometimes they are private schools that specialize in this and that.

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Speaker 2: You know, some of them are terrific. So I don't

1188
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:32,360
Speaker 2: I don't want to. I'm not trying to single that

1189
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:34,600
Speaker 2: out in any sort of negative way, but the public

1190
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:37,520
Speaker 2: school system has to accept these kids, and some of

1191
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:42,480
Speaker 2: these charters, charters don't. But it feels like once they

1192
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 2: get taxpayer money there, it should mean the government should

1193
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:46,840
Speaker 2: have some oversight over it.

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01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:50,320
Speaker 1: But do they have any No, No, the teachers don't

1195
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:51,400
Speaker 1: even have to be certified.

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01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 3: There are faith based schools, for instance, where to be

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01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 3: a teacher in the school you have to be a

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01:01:57,080 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 3: member of the church. Well tell me then, how you're

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01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:03,640
Speaker 3: going to find the most qualified trigonometry teacher if that

1200
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 3: trigonometry teacher isn't a member of your church. And that's

1201
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:10,480
Speaker 3: where I say, look, let's recognize private faith based schools

1202
01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:13,520
Speaker 3: as partners just like we do public education. We can

1203
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 3: do that as long as they have to provide the

1204
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:20,520
Speaker 3: same standards, same qualifications, same certifications, same services. That's where

1205
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:23,800
Speaker 3: this has gotten out of control, and very importantly in

1206
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:29,120
Speaker 3: raw political analysis, Republican performing voucher families know that because look,

1207
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 3: illiteracy or literacy problems hit Republican families as much as

1208
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:35,720
Speaker 3: democratic problems. And I think the moral story here that

1209
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:39,080
Speaker 3: people see is that what started as a choice program

1210
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:42,360
Speaker 3: to help out families, that's not the argument today. Today.

1211
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:45,360
Speaker 3: I think there are too many Republican politicians that are

1212
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:49,360
Speaker 3: okay with public education becoming a platform for a permanent

1213
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:51,680
Speaker 3: underclass in the state of Florida. I think that's a

1214
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:54,240
Speaker 3: moral question on the ballot, not a political one, and

1215
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:56,000
Speaker 3: I like that contrast with Republicans.

1216
01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:59,640
Speaker 2: Let's talk about the public universities, the amount of interference.

1217
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:02,400
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just look, I spent a lot of

1218
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:04,320
Speaker 2: time in Pensacola. I paid a lot of attention to

1219
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 2: what was happening in the university.

1220
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 1: We was Florida.

1221
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 2: What was interesting in that community, David was you had Republicans.

1222
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:13,400
Speaker 2: These are who were just offended by what you know,

1223
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:15,960
Speaker 2: he was bringing an outsiders. This wasn't about just bringing

1224
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:19,040
Speaker 2: in conservatives. There's by the way, I want to tell

1225
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:21,560
Speaker 2: Governor DeSantis, there's plenty of good conservatives that live in

1226
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:24,600
Speaker 2: Pensacola that you could have appointed to this board. Got

1227
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 2: some dude from Idaho, Like, I did not understand why

1228
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 2: you couldn't find a Floridian to do this. But what

1229
01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:35,920
Speaker 2: I mean, I think the University of Florida has had this.

1230
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:38,600
Speaker 2: It's just sort of funny to be because I'm old

1231
01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:41,440
Speaker 2: enough to remember when the Republicans were small government, but

1232
01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:45,919
Speaker 2: they've gotten involved with the University of Florida. Florida state

1233
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:49,680
Speaker 2: has been you know, hasn't been messed with, but maybe

1234
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:52,160
Speaker 2: it's only because they haven't had a president and predential sirve.

1235
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:59,080
Speaker 2: We saw what happened to UWF, New College, Florida, Florida International.

1236
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:03,280
Speaker 2: All of these state universities are becoming places for ideological

1237
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:07,600
Speaker 2: placements and retired politicians by Ronda Santis. So part of

1238
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:11,560
Speaker 2: it is Ron DeSantis is on the tip of the sphere,

1239
01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:15,000
Speaker 2: if you will, for conservative caucuses, so remake the ideology

1240
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:15,960
Speaker 2: of institutions.

1241
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:18,520
Speaker 3: It's something he believes in. He thinks we should abolish

1242
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:20,919
Speaker 3: all property taxes because you don't actually own your home

1243
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:23,120
Speaker 3: if you have to pay taxes on it. But he

1244
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 3: has no plan for how we fund our police or

1245
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:28,800
Speaker 3: our educators. You just find a defund police. That's rond

1246
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:33,160
Speaker 3: DeSantis's plan on property taxes. But yeah, I lament that

1247
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:34,720
Speaker 3: we're in a place in Florida where I have to

1248
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:38,480
Speaker 3: say this, chuck. But the next governor, if I am

1249
01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:40,200
Speaker 3: elected governor of the state of Florida, one of the

1250
01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:42,280
Speaker 3: first things that I will do, because it needs to

1251
01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:45,720
Speaker 3: be done, is basically fire all of Ronde Santis's appointees

1252
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:48,480
Speaker 3: to our state universities, to our water district boards, to

1253
01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:51,320
Speaker 3: the Public Services Commission. Bring back people who believe in

1254
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:55,440
Speaker 3: data and science and public health, and have educators actually educate.

1255
01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:58,240
Speaker 3: Take the handcuffs off teachers, bring back the books into

1256
01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 3: our classrooms and our state universe city systems, have administrators

1257
01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:04,680
Speaker 3: who know how to achieve excellence in education and why

1258
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:07,760
Speaker 3: diversity is important for that. For our water district boards,

1259
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:10,040
Speaker 3: bring back people who believe in clean air and clean

1260
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:13,360
Speaker 3: water and climate science not just a giveaway to developers.

1261
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:17,720
Speaker 3: For our utilities, bringing clean renewable energies that drive down

1262
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 3: cost to consumers. Everything I just said, Ron de Santis

1263
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:23,200
Speaker 3: is doing the opposite. And in terms of the raw

1264
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:25,840
Speaker 3: politics of this, if we're in the midst of this

1265
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:29,680
Speaker 3: type of cultural and political and ideological crisis in Florida.

1266
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:33,160
Speaker 3: The question for voters next November is easy change, are

1267
01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:36,080
Speaker 3: more of the same, okay, but the Republicanity will get

1268
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:36,600
Speaker 3: more of the same.

1269
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:41,200
Speaker 2: So here's what I don't want to have in our politics,

1270
01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:45,600
Speaker 2: which is every four years, I agree, there's a firing

1271
01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:48,400
Speaker 2: of bureaucrats and a hiring of new bureaucrats, and then

1272
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:48,880
Speaker 2: vice versa.

1273
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:49,120
Speaker 1: Rae.

1274
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:51,760
Speaker 2: That's how you make sure nothing ever gets done. I agree,

1275
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:55,000
Speaker 2: I guess, and yet I understand exactly where you're coming from.

1276
01:05:55,040 --> 01:05:59,280
Speaker 2: There's no doubt he has politicized what used to be. Yes,

1277
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:01,919
Speaker 2: they were political appointments, but they were they were really

1278
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:06,640
Speaker 2: seen as sort of regional advocates that you would have

1279
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:09,000
Speaker 2: So maybe they were Republicans, but they still cared about

1280
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:10,520
Speaker 2: making sure they had clean water.

1281
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:13,520
Speaker 1: You know, it was always sort of you kind of

1282
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:14,920
Speaker 1: knew who they were.

1283
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:17,560
Speaker 2: It's like it's like that the world of national security

1284
01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:21,080
Speaker 2: pre Trump, there were Republicans and Democrats that but but

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Speaker 2: they all kind of, you know, learn read the same textbooks.

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Speaker 1: Okay, they sort of you know, agreed to the same

1287
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Speaker 1: set of facts.

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Speaker 2: How do you I worry about a cycle of retribution

1289
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Speaker 2: and reactionary politics. So I get what you're saying. I agree,

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Speaker 2: but how do you how do you prove can we

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Speaker 2: have a degree? We can't do it anymore like that?

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Speaker 1: You know, I know point.

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Speaker 3: I say this I often in town halls. I should

1294
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:49,640
Speaker 3: have said it to you. I often Lee was saying.

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Speaker 3: I say this with lament, but one of the first

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Speaker 3: actions we have to do is fire everybody. I say

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Speaker 3: it with la mint because I hate that. That's where

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Speaker 3: our politics are. But the truth is whether it's ideology

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01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:04,560
Speaker 3: or not. Ronda Santis has put people who are unqualified

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01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:08,440
Speaker 3: to lead these institutions in those places. They are unqualified

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01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:11,920
Speaker 3: to lead our water district boards, for instance, And so listen,

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01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:14,520
Speaker 3: I would open it up as a democratic governor to

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01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:17,920
Speaker 3: having Republican appointees. Right to me, the test is the

1304
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:21,160
Speaker 3: responsible administration of government kind of Bob Graham used to

1305
01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:24,960
Speaker 3: talk about, we're educating our kids, keeping our community safe,

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01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:28,200
Speaker 3: and letting people get to work on quality roads. What

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01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:31,200
Speaker 3: does the responsible administration of government look like. I don't

1308
01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:33,400
Speaker 3: care if you're a Republican or a Democrat, if you

1309
01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:36,040
Speaker 3: believe in climate science, if you believe in actual education.

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01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:41,080
Speaker 3: Instead of ideological training. If you will welcome, We'll put

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01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:43,960
Speaker 3: all Republicans in place if that's necessary. I'm not sure

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01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 3: there are enough Republicans out there that believe in those things.

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01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:50,920
Speaker 3: But the point is, look, we Ronda Santis has insisted

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01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:55,040
Speaker 3: on remaking this state in an ideological fashion and in

1315
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:59,440
Speaker 3: areas where science and data and health matter, we're working

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01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:00,920
Speaker 3: against our selves by doing that.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting to me he's not running for reelection, although

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01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:06,800
Speaker 2: he'd like to. I think we're all pretty because of

1319
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:10,960
Speaker 2: the two term limit. It sounds like that no matter

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01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:13,360
Speaker 2: who you run against, you plan on runninggainst Rond DeSantis.

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Speaker 3: Well, no, he's the scene center for the state of Florida.

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01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:19,320
Speaker 3: And I would tell you you have a national audience

1323
01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:22,240
Speaker 3: and so it's easier to communicate that. Here's what I

1324
01:08:22,320 --> 01:08:24,599
Speaker 3: would tell you. Yeah, look, this has changed versus more

1325
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:27,880
Speaker 3: of the same. And I think whomever Republicans put up,

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01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:30,640
Speaker 3: if it's Byron Donald's as the hand pick candidate of

1327
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:33,040
Speaker 3: Donald Trump, or if it's Casey DeSantis running for a

1328
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:37,120
Speaker 3: third term of the DeSantis administration, my message is we

1329
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:39,720
Speaker 3: have an affordability crisis with a plan to attack it.

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01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:42,720
Speaker 3: We're going to end culture wars and welcome everybody. And

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01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:44,599
Speaker 3: I'm not sure what they're going to talk to their

1332
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:47,000
Speaker 3: voters about, but I imagine it's about Donald Trump and

1333
01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:48,120
Speaker 3: socialism and MAGA.

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Speaker 1: All right, I'll get you out of here.

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Speaker 2: On the single most important issue for Floridians, and that

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01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:58,160
Speaker 2: of course is college football. But I have kid because

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01:08:58,320 --> 01:09:00,800
Speaker 2: the Hurricanes are a private institution, they don't have to

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01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:03,360
Speaker 2: worry about some of the things that the public institutions

1339
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:05,840
Speaker 2: worry about. So I'm actually asking this question on behalf

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01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:07,840
Speaker 2: of my wife, the Florida State seminal in the family.

1341
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:13,120
Speaker 2: But in all seriousness, how should do you think the

1342
01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:18,840
Speaker 2: state should be playing a role in nil regulation in

1343
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:22,439
Speaker 2: how this is working. Look, in many ways, the early

1344
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:25,400
Speaker 2: passage of the law that they did, the Florida I

1345
01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:28,440
Speaker 2: think was among the first states that sort of okayed

1346
01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:32,439
Speaker 2: college students to make money on the side, legalize it.

1347
01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:35,679
Speaker 2: And then it became an arms race with different sec states.

1348
01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:37,760
Speaker 2: It was oh, no, no, no, we're going to do this.

1349
01:09:38,200 --> 01:09:39,880
Speaker 2: And then of course Florida came back and felt like,

1350
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:41,720
Speaker 2: oh no, our laws are too stringent. We've got a

1351
01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:47,320
Speaker 2: Florida gains will complain Tallahassee complain on one hand, I

1352
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:49,320
Speaker 2: think government has to get involved. But is this Do

1353
01:09:49,400 --> 01:09:51,160
Speaker 2: you think this is a congressional issue or do you

1354
01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:53,960
Speaker 2: think this is a state issue. I do think it's

1355
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:54,920
Speaker 2: a congressional issue.

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01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:57,040
Speaker 3: I think the state can get involved in areas where

1357
01:09:57,720 --> 01:10:01,160
Speaker 3: you know, where we have players that our scholarships involved,

1358
01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:04,280
Speaker 3: our state money is involved. I think it's fair to say,

1359
01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:06,320
Speaker 3: how is the state money being spent? How is the

1360
01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:08,840
Speaker 3: state money being repaid? Look, I hate that we're in

1361
01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:12,840
Speaker 3: an nil space whatsoever. I hate it. I think, you know,

1362
01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:16,360
Speaker 3: quality athletics should be rewarded with scholarships. That makes sense.

1363
01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:19,519
Speaker 3: Give kids opportunity to get a great education as they

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01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:22,000
Speaker 3: play ball at one of our state university system, and

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01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:24,200
Speaker 3: if it makes sense, give them full scholarship so they're

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01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:27,120
Speaker 3: able to do that based on their personal economics and

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01:10:27,160 --> 01:10:30,839
Speaker 3: their personal talents. I think the NIL space, I understand

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01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:33,599
Speaker 3: the equity of it. Right, If our universities are actually

1369
01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:37,320
Speaker 3: making millions of dollars off these young kids, should they

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01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:40,120
Speaker 3: receive some benefit. I just think it's completely out of

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01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:42,519
Speaker 3: control at this point. Maybe that benefit comes at the

1372
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:45,479
Speaker 3: end of their college career based on certain metrics. Not

1373
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:49,240
Speaker 3: dearing it because what is basically admitted across the country.

1374
01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:52,759
Speaker 3: Here is we have for profit athletics that were attaching

1375
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:55,840
Speaker 3: to public universities. And I'm not sure how tenable that

1376
01:10:56,000 --> 01:11:01,120
Speaker 3: really becomes. It does feel actually just a developmental league. Yeah,

1377
01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:03,400
Speaker 3: it might have to change long term. I don't know,

1378
01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:06,160
Speaker 3: but look where and I agree on this. University of

1379
01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:09,400
Speaker 3: Miami football is probably, you know, the heart the heartbeat

1380
01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:12,040
Speaker 3: of many. That's true for me growing up. I will

1381
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:14,120
Speaker 3: tell you I learned a lesson from a forward deployed

1382
01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:17,599
Speaker 3: soldier who was a UF fan rooting for Florida State

1383
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:19,439
Speaker 3: while you was sitting in Germany. I said, how could

1384
01:11:19,479 --> 01:11:21,679
Speaker 3: you do that? And he said, look, when you're deployed,

1385
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:23,559
Speaker 3: you root for all Florida teams. I think when you're

1386
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:25,360
Speaker 3: in pollege next, you root for all Florida teams.

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01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:28,640
Speaker 2: I tell you I always share a story that my

1388
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:31,080
Speaker 2: mother and my late mother in law both said about

1389
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:32,840
Speaker 2: each other because I was a Miami guy and my

1390
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:34,880
Speaker 2: wife is Florida State and they both said, well, at

1391
01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:38,639
Speaker 2: least you're not Cators. It was it was the unified

1392
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:40,240
Speaker 2: and you know, Florida State and Miami've always had a

1393
01:11:40,280 --> 01:11:43,080
Speaker 2: big brother, little brother relationship to deal with the big

1394
01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:45,760
Speaker 2: Bullies of Gainesville. But in all series there's one other

1395
01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:48,640
Speaker 2: because it's in your neck of the woods with the

1396
01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:52,600
Speaker 2: with the Tampa Bay Rays, and and and should.

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Speaker 1: Where are you on state funds for stadiums?

1398
01:11:57,520 --> 01:11:59,400
Speaker 3: And we don't need it, we don't need it, you

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01:11:59,439 --> 01:12:00,000
Speaker 3: would do it all?

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01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:03,439
Speaker 2: I mean, is there ever some partnership there that's positive

1401
01:12:03,479 --> 01:12:06,559
Speaker 2: in your mind or or you just think it's something

1402
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:08,120
Speaker 2: that ought to be just never considered.

1403
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:11,479
Speaker 3: I think we're necessary to save a local economy. Sure

1404
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:13,719
Speaker 3: it might make sense, right, that could be the raise situation.

1405
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:16,439
Speaker 3: They'd make more money probably leaving the state. Does it

1406
01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:19,920
Speaker 3: make sense for a local economy. That's a different question

1407
01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:21,639
Speaker 3: than the team economics.

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01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:25,320
Speaker 2: It's good for Saint Pete may not be good for Tampa, yeah, exactly,

1409
01:12:25,400 --> 01:12:27,240
Speaker 2: and for the Tampa Bay Rays, right, exactly right.

1410
01:12:27,400 --> 01:12:30,200
Speaker 3: But here's what we know. The value of the team

1411
01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:34,240
Speaker 3: grows enormously in unrecognized gains for these teams, they're doing

1412
01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:37,200
Speaker 3: just fine. They're able to leverage their assets to actually

1413
01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:39,519
Speaker 3: build a stadium they want. I'm not saying we need

1414
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:42,120
Speaker 3: to be antagonistic to pro sports as part of our culture.

1415
01:12:42,160 --> 01:12:45,880
Speaker 3: We should welcome their economic contribution to the state, but boy,

1416
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:48,879
Speaker 3: am I wary of any type of public financing of stadiums.

1417
01:12:49,439 --> 01:12:52,920
Speaker 2: Not to make you pick a community in the Tampa

1418
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:57,439
Speaker 2: Bay area, but as a outsider of the Tampa Bay area,

1419
01:12:58,120 --> 01:13:01,360
Speaker 2: I don't understand why the Rays don't plan Tampa.

1420
01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:03,519
Speaker 1: I don't get it.

1421
01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:06,559
Speaker 2: Well, I think that where the stadium was built originally

1422
01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:08,840
Speaker 2: that Saint Pete God bless them, right, they were trying

1423
01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:10,200
Speaker 2: to get the White Sox at one point.

1424
01:13:10,360 --> 01:13:12,840
Speaker 1: They tried to get the Giants at one point, that's right,

1425
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:13,400
Speaker 1: I remember that.

1426
01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:18,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it was just sort of sitting there right,

1427
01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:21,120
Speaker 2: an unused kind of stadium, and it you know, I

1428
01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:23,560
Speaker 2: kind of blamed baseball for how they ended up doing it,

1429
01:13:24,439 --> 01:13:26,599
Speaker 2: But look, would it be Do you think the team

1430
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:29,200
Speaker 2: would be more successful in Tampa or Orlando?

1431
01:13:30,840 --> 01:13:34,519
Speaker 3: Orlando or the race focused South with their spring training facility. Frankly,

1432
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:38,080
Speaker 3: the Clearwater Phillies do an enormous job in North County,

1433
01:13:38,439 --> 01:13:41,240
Speaker 3: So look, I don't know. I actually thank their TV

1434
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:44,000
Speaker 3: rights for the Rays are where they make all their money,

1435
01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:47,160
Speaker 3: So they could probably perform successfully just about anywhere.

1436
01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:48,599
Speaker 1: Be in the central Florida's baseball team.

1437
01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:50,920
Speaker 2: What you just said, that could be very lucrative if

1438
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:54,040
Speaker 2: they really had sure sure roots, if they really if

1439
01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:56,639
Speaker 2: Orlando folks really felt like that was their team.

1440
01:13:57,200 --> 01:13:59,000
Speaker 3: Here, here's what I would love to see happen. The

1441
01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:02,320
Speaker 3: race tried to do this about twenty years ago. Build smaller,

1442
01:14:02,479 --> 01:14:06,000
Speaker 3: more intimate stadiums. Build smaller stadiums that feel like a

1443
01:14:06,120 --> 01:14:08,960
Speaker 3: minor league environment. If all the money's coming from TV revenue.

1444
01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:12,479
Speaker 3: Obviously gate revenue matters as well, but I would love

1445
01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:15,280
Speaker 3: to see something super innovative for the Rays. Look, they're

1446
01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:18,160
Speaker 3: one of the most successful franchises in the last twenty years.

1447
01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:20,880
Speaker 3: It's amazing what they've done and what is considered a

1448
01:14:20,920 --> 01:14:24,080
Speaker 3: small market in Major League Baseball, and confident they'll find

1449
01:14:24,120 --> 01:14:25,040
Speaker 3: success wherever they are.

1450
01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:28,040
Speaker 1: All right, I can.

1451
01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:30,920
Speaker 2: I'm gonna actually get you out in one last question?

1452
01:14:31,320 --> 01:14:33,280
Speaker 2: Who are your favorite governors right now? That you will

1453
01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:36,120
Speaker 2: that if you're elected, you're going to be calling up

1454
01:14:36,320 --> 01:14:40,000
Speaker 2: and say, and you know, for for advice or for

1455
01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:42,800
Speaker 2: commiserating and things like that. Who do you feel like

1456
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:46,120
Speaker 2: is like they do a good job. I'd love to

1457
01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:47,400
Speaker 2: get there been their here.

1458
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:50,599
Speaker 3: Andy buts share in Kentucky, this race is very much

1459
01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:53,639
Speaker 3: and Andy Bashaer in Kentucky, the ability to talk about

1460
01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:57,080
Speaker 3: democratic values and communities we haven't before, but not shy

1461
01:14:57,160 --> 01:15:00,200
Speaker 3: away from those values either when it comes to for

1462
01:15:00,240 --> 01:15:04,280
Speaker 3: equity for all people, fighting frankly for some faith based values,

1463
01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:05,280
Speaker 3: even though we don't need to.

1464
01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:06,880
Speaker 1: Evangelize those faith based values.

1465
01:15:06,920 --> 01:15:09,840
Speaker 3: I think it's common among whether you're a Jeffersonian rights

1466
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:12,200
Speaker 3: of man or whether you practice a certain faith, there

1467
01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:15,840
Speaker 3: are basic values of dignity, support helping people up, lifting

1468
01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:19,439
Speaker 3: people up. But Andy Basheer is a two time elected

1469
01:15:19,479 --> 01:15:22,960
Speaker 3: governor Democrat in deep red Kentucky that very much has

1470
01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:25,840
Speaker 3: the feel of this race here in Florida. Each state

1471
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:27,960
Speaker 3: is different, governor's races are different. It's how you got

1472
01:15:27,960 --> 01:15:30,920
Speaker 3: Steve Bullock in Montana. In Florida, we have an affordability

1473
01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:34,160
Speaker 3: crisis that Republicans can solve, but Democrats can. That's the

1474
01:15:34,240 --> 01:15:36,840
Speaker 3: focus of this race. If we focus on that, meeting

1475
01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:39,360
Speaker 3: voters where they're at. I think a lot of that

1476
01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:42,080
Speaker 3: language you hear and Andy Basheer when he steps out

1477
01:15:42,200 --> 01:15:42,719
Speaker 3: and does.

1478
01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:46,200
Speaker 1: Something David Jolly, this was great to get to know you.

1479
01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:49,080
Speaker 1: I appreciate the time. Good to be with you. Thanks

1480
01:15:49,160 --> 01:16:00,680
Speaker 1: check all right, my friend, All right, let me.

1481
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:03,320
Speaker 3: Go to.

1482
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:06,320
Speaker 1: My obsession here, which is.

1483
01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:09,920
Speaker 2: What's going on in the world of third party or

1484
01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:12,519
Speaker 2: independent politics. It is Independence Day, and like I said,

1485
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:16,160
Speaker 2: I like to use it as a hook to talk

1486
01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:21,920
Speaker 2: about the future of third party movements or maybe independent

1487
01:16:22,120 --> 01:16:25,360
Speaker 2: driven campaigns. Let look, I have been railing on this.

1488
01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:27,400
Speaker 2: You can take a look at my substack. The two

1489
01:16:27,439 --> 01:16:32,240
Speaker 2: party duopoly is certainly harming I think democracy in America today,

1490
01:16:33,160 --> 01:16:35,560
Speaker 2: the fact that you can't put a check on the

1491
01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:40,200
Speaker 2: two parties because they have made ballid access very difficult

1492
01:16:40,360 --> 01:16:42,439
Speaker 2: in many states if you're not one of the two

1493
01:16:42,520 --> 01:16:45,960
Speaker 2: major parties, it's really not you know, I would argue

1494
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:49,559
Speaker 2: it's a violation of equal protection. Then there probably needs

1495
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:52,439
Speaker 2: to be some smarter lawsuits being filed in all of

1496
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:55,360
Speaker 2: these states when it comes to equal access to the

1497
01:16:55,439 --> 01:16:59,240
Speaker 2: ballot and the idea that some third parties and independent

1498
01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:02,840
Speaker 2: candidates in many cases have higher hurdles to get on

1499
01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:05,280
Speaker 2: the ballot than if you just file as a D

1500
01:17:05,479 --> 01:17:07,760
Speaker 2: or an R. And you've seen, I mean, you've heard

1501
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:10,719
Speaker 2: my interview with Rob sand who's the likely Democratic nominee

1502
01:17:10,720 --> 01:17:14,360
Speaker 2: for governor in Iowa, where he kind of hints that

1503
01:17:14,520 --> 01:17:17,760
Speaker 2: if if it were equally as easy to get on

1504
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:20,120
Speaker 2: the ballot, as an independent or a third party candidacy.

1505
01:17:20,200 --> 01:17:24,200
Speaker 2: He might have done that, So not saying he would

1506
01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:27,320
Speaker 2: for sure, but he might have done that. My guest's

1507
01:17:27,320 --> 01:17:30,720
Speaker 2: coming up, David Jolly. Now, look he's he is all

1508
01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:34,720
Speaker 2: you know. He is not a reluctant new member of

1509
01:17:34,760 --> 01:17:36,800
Speaker 2: the party of the Democratic Party. And you'll hear that

1510
01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:39,519
Speaker 2: in our conversation. I don't want to apply that he isn't,

1511
01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:42,840
Speaker 2: but we do talk about this issue because the leader

1512
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:45,240
Speaker 2: of the Senate of the state Senate Democrats quit the

1513
01:17:45,320 --> 01:17:49,920
Speaker 2: Democratic Party in order to at Jason Pizzow in the

1514
01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:52,200
Speaker 2: state of Florida in order to run for governor as

1515
01:17:52,200 --> 01:17:54,439
Speaker 2: an independent. And we know that mister Morgan, and Morgan

1516
01:17:55,439 --> 01:17:59,920
Speaker 2: the trial lawyer that's in a firm that's in all

1517
01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:04,120
Speaker 2: fifty states. John Morgan himself is hinted either he will

1518
01:18:04,160 --> 01:18:09,960
Speaker 2: bankroll an independent third party in Florida or perhaps run himself.

1519
01:18:10,240 --> 01:18:10,719
Speaker 1: We'll see.

1520
01:18:11,680 --> 01:18:14,000
Speaker 2: I could see him agreeing to be a running mate.

1521
01:18:14,479 --> 01:18:17,479
Speaker 2: Maybe it's to Jason Pizzo, maybe it's somebody else. We

1522
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:21,720
Speaker 2: shall see a few new developments, by the way, in

1523
01:18:21,880 --> 01:18:25,000
Speaker 2: the world of independent candidacies. As you know that I've

1524
01:18:25,080 --> 01:18:28,280
Speaker 2: been tracking these. We've got I think a pretty vibrant

1525
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:33,000
Speaker 2: potential independent candidacies developing in Florida. As I've just discussed

1526
01:18:33,439 --> 01:18:36,000
Speaker 2: Mike Duggan, the former mayor of Detroit who's running for

1527
01:18:36,120 --> 01:18:40,120
Speaker 2: governor as an independent, already polling in the twenties in Michigan.

1528
01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:43,400
Speaker 2: I know he's been making the rounds, maybe with the

1529
01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:46,040
Speaker 2: Forward Party, maybe with the folks that know labels, but

1530
01:18:46,200 --> 01:18:49,639
Speaker 2: he certainly seems to be in a position, I think

1531
01:18:49,720 --> 01:18:53,880
Speaker 2: to be quite that he'll be in a position to

1532
01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:57,080
Speaker 2: be quite competitive out there as a third party candidate.

1533
01:18:58,160 --> 01:19:05,400
Speaker 2: The Idaho Democratic elected state legislator just quit in there

1534
01:19:05,560 --> 01:19:09,360
Speaker 2: and he's going to be running as an independent for

1535
01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:12,920
Speaker 2: the US Senate against Jim Rish and then the last

1536
01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:16,640
Speaker 2: Democratic nominee for US Senate against Roger Wicker in Mississippi

1537
01:19:17,439 --> 01:19:20,320
Speaker 2: has decided also to leave the Democratic Party and run

1538
01:19:20,360 --> 01:19:25,240
Speaker 2: as an independent in Mississippi against Cydy Hyde Smith this

1539
01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:29,479
Speaker 2: coming cycle. So you might have a semi competitive candidate.

1540
01:19:29,560 --> 01:19:31,880
Speaker 2: And that's the question here right in some of these

1541
01:19:32,439 --> 01:19:37,439
Speaker 2: supposedly either red states with weak Democratic parties or blue

1542
01:19:37,479 --> 01:19:41,479
Speaker 2: states with weak Republican parties, that's where you could see

1543
01:19:42,120 --> 01:19:45,479
Speaker 2: independents who try to sort of put together a coalition

1544
01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:48,240
Speaker 2: of indies and sort of estranged members of whatever the

1545
01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:50,960
Speaker 2: minority party of the two major party is, and said

1546
01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:55,800
Speaker 2: state where you can have an interesting and you could

1547
01:19:55,800 --> 01:19:59,080
Speaker 2: have a boxer's chance, right, I think that that's you know,

1548
01:19:59,160 --> 01:20:01,600
Speaker 2: we saw that with Dan Osborne in Nebraska where he

1549
01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:04,599
Speaker 2: was able to convince the Democrats not to put somebody

1550
01:20:04,680 --> 01:20:06,599
Speaker 2: on the ballot and he ended up with forty four percent.

1551
01:20:07,080 --> 01:20:09,160
Speaker 2: He may do that again in Nebraska, so you may

1552
01:20:09,240 --> 01:20:12,599
Speaker 2: have another seat. Meanwhile, in Iowa, we've had three sort

1553
01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:15,080
Speaker 2: of Democrats, two of whom were definitely running more as

1554
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:20,360
Speaker 2: I would say, very more centrist or independent like thinking

1555
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:25,360
Speaker 2: Democrats in that race. It would insurpise me if one

1556
01:20:25,400 --> 01:20:28,439
Speaker 2: of them, who knows. I think at this point it

1557
01:20:28,520 --> 01:20:31,320
Speaker 2: seems like because Rob san who's seen as a pretty

1558
01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:33,439
Speaker 2: centrist Democrat, is going to be at the top of

1559
01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:35,800
Speaker 2: the ticket for Democrats, that the water might be a

1560
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:38,160
Speaker 2: little more comfortable running as a Democrat. You're not going

1561
01:20:38,200 --> 01:20:40,240
Speaker 2: to get defined because look, there's a lot of fear

1562
01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:42,640
Speaker 2: that you get defined as being too liberal because the

1563
01:20:42,680 --> 01:20:45,920
Speaker 2: Democratic Party brand is, you know, whatever kind of mess

1564
01:20:46,040 --> 01:20:49,160
Speaker 2: it is nationally in the states where they're the number

1565
01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:52,120
Speaker 2: two party, it's even in worship shape. But I did

1566
01:20:52,280 --> 01:20:55,120
Speaker 2: crunch some numbers and I just want to, you know,

1567
01:20:55,640 --> 01:21:00,280
Speaker 2: the idea that we you know, the appetite I think

1568
01:21:00,360 --> 01:21:04,439
Speaker 2: for independent candidates or third party candidates has never been higher,

1569
01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:07,760
Speaker 2: because over the last twenty years, we continue to see

1570
01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:12,720
Speaker 2: the fastest growing party in America is no party that

1571
01:21:12,960 --> 01:21:15,920
Speaker 2: more and more people, especially as you get automatic voter

1572
01:21:16,040 --> 01:21:18,479
Speaker 2: registration on motive voter, when you go to the DMV

1573
01:21:19,160 --> 01:21:21,680
Speaker 2: more people's instinct is not to be a member of

1574
01:21:21,760 --> 01:21:26,240
Speaker 2: either party. Right, Perhaps it's polarizing, or they just don't

1575
01:21:26,240 --> 01:21:29,840
Speaker 2: feel an affinity of and they register. In some states

1576
01:21:29,880 --> 01:21:33,080
Speaker 2: it's called no party allegiance and other states it's independent.

1577
01:21:33,680 --> 01:21:36,479
Speaker 2: Sometimes people will pick a minor party to pick, but

1578
01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:39,200
Speaker 2: essentially they don't want to be a member either party.

1579
01:21:39,280 --> 01:21:42,160
Speaker 2: And the stats on this, it's quite amazing. We are

1580
01:21:42,240 --> 01:21:46,719
Speaker 2: nearly at twenty We're at twenty three states where registered

1581
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:50,960
Speaker 2: independence or no party outnumber one of the two major parties.

1582
01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:53,000
Speaker 2: I'm going to go through it alphabetically. Here in Alaska,

1583
01:21:53,560 --> 01:21:57,400
Speaker 2: independence outnumber both the d's and the RS. And guess

1584
01:21:57,479 --> 01:22:00,519
Speaker 2: what Lisa Murkowski's won by losing a Republican primary and

1585
01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:04,679
Speaker 2: winning a general election. So we know independent candidacies alive

1586
01:22:04,760 --> 01:22:07,360
Speaker 2: and well and can really thrive. In Alaska, they've had

1587
01:22:07,720 --> 01:22:10,639
Speaker 2: no party candidates when governorship's there a couple of times

1588
01:22:10,680 --> 01:22:14,280
Speaker 2: in my lifetime. Alaska is still home where in many

1589
01:22:14,320 --> 01:22:18,320
Speaker 2: ways being an independent fits the Alaska mindset. Arizona, well,

1590
01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:23,160
Speaker 2: there's slightly more no party members than the Democratic Party.

1591
01:22:23,160 --> 01:22:27,680
Speaker 2: Arizona is the larger of the of the three categories

1592
01:22:27,840 --> 01:22:31,960
Speaker 2: are the Arizona Republicans. Democrats are are a bit closer

1593
01:22:32,280 --> 01:22:35,120
Speaker 2: to independents than they are Republicans. The end we know

1594
01:22:35,240 --> 01:22:39,000
Speaker 2: this there are Arizona's another state where there's there's been

1595
01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:42,639
Speaker 2: a large chunk and as more new residents moved there.

1596
01:22:44,160 --> 01:22:47,840
Speaker 2: You know, the Republican Party in Arizona's very far right.

1597
01:22:48,680 --> 01:22:50,960
Speaker 2: It's members and so there's a lot of center right

1598
01:22:51,040 --> 01:22:53,720
Speaker 2: Republicans who have left that party of the years and

1599
01:22:54,200 --> 01:22:56,720
Speaker 2: states registered independence. They vote Republican most of the time

1600
01:22:56,840 --> 01:23:00,479
Speaker 2: in general elections. But we do know that the rank

1601
01:23:00,520 --> 01:23:02,880
Speaker 2: and file of the Arizona Party very far right, so

1602
01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:05,680
Speaker 2: it may it does sort of help boost some of

1603
01:23:05,680 --> 01:23:11,599
Speaker 2: those no party id numbers as well. Arkansas. Arkansas, now

1604
01:23:11,680 --> 01:23:13,400
Speaker 2: some of this they don't register by parties. So some

1605
01:23:13,479 --> 01:23:15,519
Speaker 2: of this is estimation, but more people want to identify

1606
01:23:15,560 --> 01:23:20,400
Speaker 2: as independent. It's obviously a very Republican state. Arkansas is

1607
01:23:20,439 --> 01:23:24,840
Speaker 2: the type of state where, at this point, unless Bill

1608
01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:27,599
Speaker 2: Clinton himself is running about the only the only way

1609
01:23:27,640 --> 01:23:29,479
Speaker 2: a non Republican wins I think is that they run

1610
01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:32,559
Speaker 2: as an independent on that front. So that's a state

1611
01:23:32,640 --> 01:23:35,040
Speaker 2: where if you wanted to, you know, if I were,

1612
01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:38,080
Speaker 2: if you were trying to figure out how to create competition, there,

1613
01:23:38,439 --> 01:23:40,439
Speaker 2: probably better off recruiting independence than not.

1614
01:23:40,920 --> 01:23:42,280
Speaker 1: Colorado, this won't surprise you.

1615
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:46,840
Speaker 2: Very libertarian leaning state again, you know, it's it's it's

1616
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:48,960
Speaker 2: by estimates that I've been able to look up. There's

1617
01:23:48,960 --> 01:23:51,800
Speaker 2: certainly more people claiming into being an independent than either

1618
01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:55,599
Speaker 2: the D or the R there, it says another one,

1619
01:23:55,680 --> 01:23:58,080
Speaker 2: particularly the Republican brand is the one that's a bit

1620
01:23:58,160 --> 01:24:01,240
Speaker 2: weaker in that state. And if you were a right

1621
01:24:01,280 --> 01:24:03,759
Speaker 2: at center person, I think you'd have a better shot.

1622
01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:07,559
Speaker 2: It's tough to win a primary as a center right person,

1623
01:24:08,040 --> 01:24:10,320
Speaker 2: even when a prime Democratic crony is a center left person.

1624
01:24:10,439 --> 01:24:13,520
Speaker 2: Tough to do it for Republicans as center right. Connecticut

1625
01:24:13,560 --> 01:24:16,560
Speaker 2: another state where independents outnumber both another state that is

1626
01:24:16,600 --> 01:24:18,439
Speaker 2: elected an independent governor in my lifetime.

1627
01:24:18,520 --> 01:24:18,680
Speaker 3: Lol.

1628
01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:22,439
Speaker 2: Whiker one as an independent there back in the nineties. Again,

1629
01:24:22,560 --> 01:24:25,080
Speaker 2: this is more on the Republican side center right. People

1630
01:24:26,520 --> 01:24:28,800
Speaker 2: are better off running as independence than they are as

1631
01:24:28,880 --> 01:24:33,320
Speaker 2: actual Republicans because again, the party primary would yank that

1632
01:24:33,439 --> 01:24:35,920
Speaker 2: person too much. In case you're wondering, in DC, yes

1633
01:24:35,960 --> 01:24:39,160
Speaker 2: there are more independence and registered Republicans, but there's probably

1634
01:24:39,240 --> 01:24:43,400
Speaker 2: more Green Party members and registered Republicans in DC. George

1635
01:24:43,479 --> 01:24:45,640
Speaker 2: is an interesting one where if you try to you

1636
01:24:45,760 --> 01:24:48,240
Speaker 2: ask people by survey, it's a no party registration state.

1637
01:24:48,560 --> 01:24:50,920
Speaker 2: Obviously the Republican Party is strong, but believe it or not,

1638
01:24:51,880 --> 01:24:54,760
Speaker 2: the estimation is that there are more independents than Republicans.

1639
01:24:55,160 --> 01:24:57,120
Speaker 2: But this is a state that is still has a

1640
01:24:57,240 --> 01:25:00,120
Speaker 2: legacy of you had to be a registered Democrat some

1641
01:25:00,200 --> 01:25:02,200
Speaker 2: places in order to even vote in primaries. It was

1642
01:25:02,240 --> 01:25:04,680
Speaker 2: sort of a legacy of the Old South. So some

1643
01:25:04,800 --> 01:25:07,200
Speaker 2: of these numbers are a little hard to pinpoint, which

1644
01:25:07,200 --> 01:25:09,120
Speaker 2: is why there's no it's i think officially a no

1645
01:25:09,200 --> 01:25:12,680
Speaker 2: party registration state, so those numbers are a little shaky there.

1646
01:25:12,720 --> 01:25:14,120
Speaker 1: Obviously, it's a very competitive state.

1647
01:25:14,200 --> 01:25:14,280
Speaker 2: Now.

1648
01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:17,479
Speaker 1: In Hawaii, independence bigger than both the d's and the

1649
01:25:17,680 --> 01:25:21,240
Speaker 1: rs in an island that doesn't surprise me. Also a

1650
01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:23,679
Speaker 1: state where I think you do that, I just brought

1651
01:25:23,760 --> 01:25:24,320
Speaker 1: up Idaho.

1652
01:25:25,160 --> 01:25:27,759
Speaker 2: You know why this Idaho Democrat is leaving the Democratic

1653
01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:31,680
Speaker 2: Party because independence are three times the size of the

1654
01:25:31,760 --> 01:25:35,040
Speaker 2: Democratic of registered Democrats in Idaho.

1655
01:25:35,160 --> 01:25:36,880
Speaker 1: Need I say more.

1656
01:25:37,880 --> 01:25:42,080
Speaker 2: Illinois more independence than Republican Party members. Again, as a

1657
01:25:42,120 --> 01:25:45,040
Speaker 2: blue state, if you're a center right person, you're not

1658
01:25:45,120 --> 01:25:47,479
Speaker 2: going to win a Republican primer. You're better off probably

1659
01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:51,000
Speaker 2: running as an eye on that side. In Iowa always

1660
01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:53,800
Speaker 2: has had a strong no party allegiance vibe to it,

1661
01:25:53,920 --> 01:25:56,920
Speaker 2: believe it or not. And the independence out number both

1662
01:25:56,960 --> 01:25:59,000
Speaker 2: the d's and the rs ours are the biggest of

1663
01:25:59,080 --> 01:26:02,120
Speaker 2: the two of two major parties. But I think that's

1664
01:26:03,520 --> 01:26:06,519
Speaker 2: you know, I was another place ballot itself difficult to

1665
01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:09,040
Speaker 2: get on as an eye, but I do think that

1666
01:26:09,600 --> 01:26:12,080
Speaker 2: the electorate would be more open to it. Main more

1667
01:26:12,080 --> 01:26:16,719
Speaker 2: independence than the GOP. Massachusetts, more independence than both GOP

1668
01:26:16,840 --> 01:26:19,680
Speaker 2: and them. Again, it's a lot of Massachusetts folks who

1669
01:26:19,720 --> 01:26:21,960
Speaker 2: are just you know, think the Republican Party is too

1670
01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:25,760
Speaker 2: far to the right. Democratic parties is very dominant on

1671
01:26:25,880 --> 01:26:30,519
Speaker 2: all that score. So again these days, same idea. If

1672
01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:32,840
Speaker 2: you're a center right person in Massachusetts, you're probably better

1673
01:26:32,840 --> 01:26:35,200
Speaker 2: off fronting US an eye than an R In Nevada.

1674
01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:40,000
Speaker 2: Another state, like Arizona, independence top both parties, and it

1675
01:26:40,120 --> 01:26:42,360
Speaker 2: is as new voters come in, they're almost more likely

1676
01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:45,240
Speaker 2: to go with the no party affiliation at first, and

1677
01:26:45,360 --> 01:26:48,439
Speaker 2: that has been there the swing vote in more ways

1678
01:26:48,439 --> 01:26:52,720
Speaker 2: than one out there. But arguably both parties are sort

1679
01:26:52,760 --> 01:26:57,080
Speaker 2: of healthy. But again, an independent could do well in

1680
01:26:57,240 --> 01:27:00,880
Speaker 2: that state. New Hampshire also another place where independents love

1681
01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:03,920
Speaker 2: to flex their muscles. More registered independence than either of

1682
01:27:03,920 --> 01:27:05,960
Speaker 2: the two major parties. I know that won't surprise you.

1683
01:27:06,360 --> 01:27:10,400
Speaker 2: New York another one where running as an independent might

1684
01:27:10,479 --> 01:27:12,479
Speaker 2: be better than running as a Republican. If you're a

1685
01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:16,479
Speaker 2: center right person, there are more independents than Republicans. North

1686
01:27:16,520 --> 01:27:19,160
Speaker 2: Carolina it's a similar story as I told you in Georgia,

1687
01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:22,120
Speaker 2: where believe it or not, there are more independence than Republicans.

1688
01:27:22,160 --> 01:27:23,880
Speaker 2: But again that has a little bit to do with

1689
01:27:23,960 --> 01:27:28,840
Speaker 2: some legacy southern voter registration issues, but it tells you

1690
01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:32,080
Speaker 2: that the no party registration number is substantial, a bit

1691
01:27:32,200 --> 01:27:36,400
Speaker 2: right leaning, but certainly I think an interesting voter base

1692
01:27:37,240 --> 01:27:39,800
Speaker 2: that Tom Tillis could have tested out he may not

1693
01:27:39,880 --> 01:27:42,800
Speaker 2: be able to win over Magan a primary, but could

1694
01:27:42,840 --> 01:27:45,519
Speaker 2: he win a plurality in a three way race. Something

1695
01:27:45,560 --> 01:27:48,519
Speaker 2: to think about North Dakota. You won't be surprised more

1696
01:27:48,560 --> 01:27:53,479
Speaker 2: independence than Democrats. It's a no party registration state on paper,

1697
01:27:53,800 --> 01:27:56,439
Speaker 2: but these are based on estimates there. And yes, North

1698
01:27:56,520 --> 01:27:59,680
Speaker 2: Dakota is a place just like South Dakota where you're

1699
01:27:59,720 --> 01:28:02,960
Speaker 2: probably better off running as an I if you want

1700
01:28:03,000 --> 01:28:05,439
Speaker 2: to run left of center, if you're a center left

1701
01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:08,080
Speaker 2: kind of person, although a center left person can win

1702
01:28:08,120 --> 01:28:12,120
Speaker 2: a primary and in those states because there's so much

1703
01:28:12,200 --> 01:28:16,160
Speaker 2: desperation in those parties to win. Oregon another state where

1704
01:28:16,160 --> 01:28:18,840
Speaker 2: there are more independents than either of the two parties. Boy,

1705
01:28:19,200 --> 01:28:23,000
Speaker 2: I've always viewed Oregon as very ripe for third party

1706
01:28:24,320 --> 01:28:27,920
Speaker 2: independent candidacies. Have always been surprised. We saw one a

1707
01:28:27,960 --> 01:28:30,200
Speaker 2: couple of years ago we thought was going to develop

1708
01:28:30,240 --> 01:28:32,360
Speaker 2: into a strong three way race, A very center left,

1709
01:28:33,680 --> 01:28:36,639
Speaker 2: center left candidate left the Democratic Party, ran as an independent,

1710
01:28:36,760 --> 01:28:40,439
Speaker 2: was bankrolled by Phil Knight, of course, founder of Nike.

1711
01:28:41,040 --> 01:28:45,400
Speaker 2: That didn't go so hot. It's sort of in our

1712
01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:49,400
Speaker 2: very polarized times, you sort of understand where maybe it

1713
01:28:52,160 --> 01:28:54,680
Speaker 2: ended up not working out. I think the way a

1714
01:28:54,760 --> 01:28:57,280
Speaker 2: lot of us thought it could, Rhode Island there's more

1715
01:28:57,320 --> 01:29:00,680
Speaker 2: independence than Republicans. That shouldn't surprise people. You know, back

1716
01:29:00,720 --> 01:29:02,680
Speaker 2: in the day when the Chaffey name meant something on

1717
01:29:02,760 --> 01:29:05,479
Speaker 2: the on the Republican side, I.

1718
01:29:05,520 --> 01:29:08,320
Speaker 1: Think, you know, you could you could see again.

1719
01:29:08,520 --> 01:29:12,200
Speaker 2: Where the Republican Party could you know, pull too much,

1720
01:29:12,600 --> 01:29:14,920
Speaker 2: pull the primary too far to the right. But I'd

1721
01:29:14,960 --> 01:29:17,120
Speaker 2: say Rhode Island has always been a state where I

1722
01:29:17,120 --> 01:29:20,080
Speaker 2: think Democrats always should watch their back. The working class

1723
01:29:20,680 --> 01:29:25,000
Speaker 2: democrat that that has been that the Democrats have been

1724
01:29:25,120 --> 01:29:28,880
Speaker 2: leaking looks a lot like working class Democrats in Rhode Island.

1725
01:29:28,960 --> 01:29:29,479
Speaker 1: I've been.

1726
01:29:29,720 --> 01:29:31,400
Speaker 2: Rhode Island is one of those states that I've been

1727
01:29:31,439 --> 01:29:36,560
Speaker 2: waiting to see some surprising results on the on the

1728
01:29:37,080 --> 01:29:41,280
Speaker 2: Trump side of the aisle, a more Trump, a more

1729
01:29:41,400 --> 01:29:46,120
Speaker 2: union friendly Republican Party could do well in Rhode Island, Tennessee.

1730
01:29:46,680 --> 01:29:46,800
Speaker 1: Uh.

1731
01:29:47,720 --> 01:29:49,840
Speaker 2: By the numbers, it appears there are more independent than

1732
01:29:49,880 --> 01:29:52,840
Speaker 2: both major parties. But again to no party registration state,

1733
01:29:52,960 --> 01:29:55,400
Speaker 2: we know Republican brand is very strong.

1734
01:29:55,479 --> 01:29:56,880
Speaker 1: Conservative brand is very strong.

1735
01:29:57,160 --> 01:30:01,320
Speaker 2: This is another one when you've seen some centrist Democrats

1736
01:30:01,439 --> 01:30:04,760
Speaker 2: not do well as Democrats. That would be a place

1737
01:30:04,800 --> 01:30:07,759
Speaker 2: where I'd wonder would a center left person like Harold

1738
01:30:07,880 --> 01:30:10,439
Speaker 2: Ford or Phil Brettison, who was the one time mayor

1739
01:30:10,479 --> 01:30:12,760
Speaker 2: of Nashville, would they be better off running.

1740
01:30:12,520 --> 01:30:15,479
Speaker 1: His eyes rather than D's. That's another one of those states.

1741
01:30:15,840 --> 01:30:18,479
Speaker 2: Utah another one where you have more eyes than D's

1742
01:30:18,840 --> 01:30:22,439
Speaker 2: another one where you where we've seen some independence actually

1743
01:30:22,520 --> 01:30:23,120
Speaker 2: do well.

1744
01:30:25,640 --> 01:30:26,360
Speaker 1: On that score.

1745
01:30:26,880 --> 01:30:31,680
Speaker 2: So you know, maybe right that certainly if you I

1746
01:30:31,840 --> 01:30:37,040
Speaker 2: do think we saw Mike Lee could get held held

1747
01:30:37,240 --> 01:30:41,840
Speaker 2: under a plurality, and I think an independent candidate that

1748
01:30:41,960 --> 01:30:45,080
Speaker 2: could frankly be seen as more center right than center

1749
01:30:45,200 --> 01:30:50,400
Speaker 2: left probably would have a boxer's chance in Utah at

1750
01:30:50,439 --> 01:30:53,160
Speaker 2: least against a Mike Lee. And then there's Vermont, where

1751
01:30:53,160 --> 01:30:54,680
Speaker 2: there's more eyes than ours, and of course they have

1752
01:30:54,720 --> 01:30:57,519
Speaker 2: a Republican governor who very much seems to run more

1753
01:30:58,400 --> 01:31:01,800
Speaker 2: very independent, very sort of an anti Maga Republican were

1754
01:31:02,000 --> 01:31:03,720
Speaker 2: about the only place you can get away with that

1755
01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:06,240
Speaker 2: is in the state of Vermont. But as you could

1756
01:31:06,360 --> 01:31:09,400
Speaker 2: see what I was trying to go through there, the

1757
01:31:09,560 --> 01:31:12,640
Speaker 2: potential is there. And the reason I like to use

1758
01:31:12,680 --> 01:31:15,760
Speaker 2: independence day right is get people thinking about this but look,

1759
01:31:16,920 --> 01:31:19,959
Speaker 2: if you want the two parties to sort of reform themselves,

1760
01:31:20,040 --> 01:31:23,400
Speaker 2: the best way to get them to reform themselves is

1761
01:31:23,479 --> 01:31:25,920
Speaker 2: to threaten their status, And the best way to threaten

1762
01:31:26,000 --> 01:31:29,040
Speaker 2: their status is to challenge that status quo. Ross Perot's

1763
01:31:29,080 --> 01:31:31,560
Speaker 2: candidacy in nineteen ninety two got both the Democrats and

1764
01:31:31,640 --> 01:31:36,120
Speaker 2: Republicans to reform, arguably in more competitive ways. Democrats became

1765
01:31:36,160 --> 01:31:39,800
Speaker 2: a more fiscally conservative party, started worrying about the debt,

1766
01:31:40,320 --> 01:31:42,880
Speaker 2: and they have more credibility in the debt with many

1767
01:31:42,960 --> 01:31:45,880
Speaker 2: voters than Republicans do, considering how often the Republicans have

1768
01:31:46,800 --> 01:31:50,160
Speaker 2: lied to voters about the debt versus Democrats at least

1769
01:31:51,200 --> 01:31:54,519
Speaker 2: making the attempt to do pay as you go type

1770
01:31:54,560 --> 01:31:57,960
Speaker 2: of policies on that front. And then if Rossboro made

1771
01:31:58,080 --> 01:32:02,599
Speaker 2: the Republicans a bit more trade skeptic skeptical, which over

1772
01:32:02,760 --> 01:32:06,760
Speaker 2: time has served that party well. So, you know, I

1773
01:32:06,880 --> 01:32:09,160
Speaker 2: do think that if we want to see real change,

1774
01:32:10,160 --> 01:32:14,160
Speaker 2: see some better leadership with the two parties. If you know, look,

1775
01:32:14,200 --> 01:32:15,559
Speaker 2: do I think we need to get rid of our

1776
01:32:15,600 --> 01:32:18,439
Speaker 2: two party system? I do, But that is a lot

1777
01:32:18,520 --> 01:32:20,920
Speaker 2: of structural change that needs to happen with valid access

1778
01:32:21,000 --> 01:32:23,479
Speaker 2: before you can do it a viable way, but doing

1779
01:32:23,560 --> 01:32:27,679
Speaker 2: some independent candidacies that threaten the status quo and select races,

1780
01:32:27,800 --> 01:32:30,120
Speaker 2: governor's races in particular Senate.

1781
01:32:29,920 --> 01:32:30,599
Speaker 1: Races as well.

1782
01:32:31,320 --> 01:32:34,920
Speaker 2: That's how we'll get some real, some real change. If

1783
01:32:34,920 --> 01:32:38,880
Speaker 2: you're a voter that, frankly like me, you feel like

1784
01:32:39,160 --> 01:32:42,439
Speaker 2: you're just stuck here somewhere in the middle between the

1785
01:32:42,520 --> 01:32:46,160
Speaker 2: thirty yard lines, and the two parties don't even want

1786
01:32:46,360 --> 01:32:49,360
Speaker 2: to speak to you. They see you as not the

1787
01:32:49,439 --> 01:32:54,000
Speaker 2: type of voter that they want to impress. You know,

1788
01:32:55,520 --> 01:32:57,720
Speaker 2: if you want to make someone jealous, sometimes you got

1789
01:32:57,840 --> 01:32:59,760
Speaker 2: to go be a go flirt with somebody else.

1790
01:32:59,840 --> 01:33:03,400
Speaker 1: Right, Well, in politics it works that way too sometimes.

1791
01:33:04,240 --> 01:33:06,920
Speaker 2: And it's there's no doubt, right, we've got a Democratic

1792
01:33:06,960 --> 01:33:09,640
Speaker 2: Party in the middle of a of a fight for

1793
01:33:09,720 --> 01:33:12,680
Speaker 2: its soul, doesn't know what it is. Leadership is sort

1794
01:33:12,720 --> 01:33:16,240
Speaker 2: of lost, that's pretty clear. All they do is know

1795
01:33:16,360 --> 01:33:19,120
Speaker 2: what they're what they're against, not quite sure what they're for.

1796
01:33:20,280 --> 01:33:24,040
Speaker 2: In has stepped in, Mom, Donnie, who's who has outlined

1797
01:33:24,080 --> 01:33:26,840
Speaker 2: an agenda of what he's for. And I think you

1798
01:33:26,880 --> 01:33:31,519
Speaker 2: have such a hungry populace looking for somebody offering something

1799
01:33:32,160 --> 01:33:37,680
Speaker 2: right rather than just offering opposition or sky is falling declarations.

1800
01:33:37,880 --> 01:33:41,400
Speaker 2: I understand why that came across as appealing. I'm not

1801
01:33:41,560 --> 01:33:44,519
Speaker 2: sure that works outside of a closed Democratic primary in

1802
01:33:44,560 --> 01:33:47,920
Speaker 2: New York City. And I do think, as I've told you,

1803
01:33:48,040 --> 01:33:51,640
Speaker 2: that the S word itself socialism is just branded it

1804
01:33:51,960 --> 01:33:55,840
Speaker 2: just you know, Democratic Socialists are going to lose this

1805
01:33:56,000 --> 01:33:59,080
Speaker 2: fight and they need it if they they want their

1806
01:33:59,160 --> 01:34:01,439
Speaker 2: agenda to be taken. And seriously, they're going to have

1807
01:34:01,560 --> 01:34:05,160
Speaker 2: to agree brand it is. That brand is toxic in

1808
01:34:05,280 --> 01:34:08,519
Speaker 2: too many places. And I don't think it's recoverable, uh,

1809
01:34:08,760 --> 01:34:10,600
Speaker 2: in the in the in the near term. Maybe in

1810
01:34:10,680 --> 01:34:12,200
Speaker 2: the long term it could be, but I don't think

1811
01:34:12,240 --> 01:34:13,960
Speaker 2: it's recoverable in the near term. That doesn't mean the

1812
01:34:14,040 --> 01:34:20,519
Speaker 2: agenda wouldn't necessarily be popular. Unpopular, it's how it's branded, right,

1813
01:34:20,600 --> 01:34:22,960
Speaker 2: I mean, this is the problem the Democratic Party's dealing with. Right,

1814
01:34:23,240 --> 01:34:25,920
Speaker 2: some of the stances they have are popular with the public.

1815
01:34:26,280 --> 01:34:28,120
Speaker 2: Then you throw the Democratic brand in front of it,

1816
01:34:28,200 --> 01:34:28,559
Speaker 2: and then you.

1817
01:34:28,600 --> 01:34:31,719
Speaker 1: See people sour on it. You know, that's that that's

1818
01:34:32,160 --> 01:34:35,519
Speaker 1: that's the type of thing, type of ways that more

1819
01:34:35,560 --> 01:34:38,439
Speaker 1: folks need to look at these things on that front.

1820
01:34:38,479 --> 01:34:42,240
Speaker 2: And like I said, I'll be curious to see us

1821
01:34:42,800 --> 01:34:45,280
Speaker 2: as we watch that that New York City mayor's race,

1822
01:34:45,640 --> 01:34:50,320
Speaker 2: how Mom Donnie tries to will he broaden his tent

1823
01:34:50,400 --> 01:34:52,759
Speaker 2: and how does he do it? Is it like Donald Trump,

1824
01:34:53,000 --> 01:34:56,200
Speaker 2: meaning he'll open the tent but only on his only

1825
01:34:56,280 --> 01:34:59,080
Speaker 2: if you come into the tent on his conditions?

1826
01:34:59,680 --> 01:35:02,080
Speaker 1: Or or is it okay to disagree?

1827
01:35:02,600 --> 01:35:04,519
Speaker 2: We know in the Republican Party if you disagree with

1828
01:35:04,560 --> 01:35:08,559
Speaker 2: Donald Trump, he's coming after you. How is mom Donnie

1829
01:35:08,560 --> 01:35:10,560
Speaker 2: want to set up his coalition as he builds that?

1830
01:35:10,920 --> 01:35:13,200
Speaker 2: And I think that's something also to watch for there.

1831
01:35:13,360 --> 01:35:16,720
Speaker 2: But anyway, as we get the fireworks, and you think

1832
01:35:16,760 --> 01:35:20,080
Speaker 2: about wherever you're celebrating Independence Day.

1833
01:35:22,479 --> 01:35:24,439
Speaker 1: The day that we decided we didn't want to live

1834
01:35:24,760 --> 01:35:27,799
Speaker 1: under the rule of one individual, one.

1835
01:35:27,800 --> 01:35:31,880
Speaker 2: Monarch, be thinking about that today, Be thinking about that

1836
01:35:31,960 --> 01:35:35,600
Speaker 2: when the fireworks go off. We were celebrating how we

1837
01:35:35,800 --> 01:35:37,639
Speaker 2: left made sure.

1838
01:35:37,479 --> 01:35:39,639
Speaker 1: We weren't going to be ruled by any one.

1839
01:35:39,600 --> 01:35:44,080
Speaker 2: Person, that essentially we were going to rule ourselves. So

1840
01:35:44,240 --> 01:35:47,920
Speaker 2: let's not forget. Let's remember this democracy belongs to us

1841
01:35:48,120 --> 01:35:51,679
Speaker 2: and not any one individual, no matter who we elect

1842
01:35:51,840 --> 01:35:53,040
Speaker 2: every four years,