1 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: Welcome back to a numbers game with Ryan Gurdusky. Happy Monday. 2 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:09,719 Speaker 1: There are just fifteen days to an upcoming twenty twenty 3 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: five local elections. If you haven't made a plan yet, 4 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: make a plan, vote by mail, vote on election day, 5 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: or vote early in person. Just make sure your voices 6 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 1: are heard early. Voting matters. Local elections matter, so make 7 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: a plan and get a vote. Before I go into 8 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 1: some numbers, I want to take a moment and brag 9 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: because I try very hard. I work really hard to 10 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:36,239 Speaker 1: try to make my audience the most informed. They possibly 11 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 1: can be more informed than the average people who listen 12 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 1: to podcasts, and I have very very few talents in 13 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: this life. I was a great Brad Sales on The 14 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 1: Victoria's Secret. I was eighteen years old, and I'm really 15 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: good at predicting future political trends as they're about to happen, 16 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: but they haven't happened yet. On September eighth, more than 17 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: a month ago, I did a whole episode on how 18 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: the number one issue going to the elections of New 19 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 1: Jersey and Virginia was the rising cost of electricity because 20 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 1: of data centers. Data centers are responsible for two thirds 21 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 1: of the increasing electricity prices in New Jersey, and they've 22 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 1: added tens of millions of new homes worth of electricity 23 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 1: in the Virginia grid are then just a few days ago, 24 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: Dave Weigel, who writes for Semaphore, he wrote article colds 25 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 1: as electricity prices rise, both parties blamed data centers. Here's 26 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: a quote from the article. Fai Shakir, an advisor to 27 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 1: Senator Bernie Sanders and the founder of the progressive group 28 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: A More Perfect Union, said many Democrats were sleeping on 29 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 1: the issue that had ignited grassroots activists. More Perfect Union 30 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 1: has worked with data center opponents in multiple states, sharing 31 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: similar stories of worry about energy costs and resource ways. 32 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: Sanders has begun asking attendees of his quote fight oligarch 33 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: meetings about AI and data centers, and he found there's 34 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: very little political support for them. For any Democrat who 35 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: wants to think politically about opportunity. Shakir said that people 36 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: are way ahead of the politicians. He also goes on 37 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 1: the article. Wygel goes on in the article to sit 38 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:10,799 Speaker 1: there and say, how we met local activists in Virginia 39 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: who are supporting the Democratic nominee for governor, but Republicans 40 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:18,799 Speaker 1: locally who based on who's ever most against building new 41 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:23,359 Speaker 1: data centers in Virginia the rise This is a rising 42 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: populist issue, one that people who are rooted in place, 43 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: people who have lived in the same place for decades, 44 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: or they plan to live there for decades, they're gonna 45 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: they move to a certain place because they're going to 46 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: grow their raise their children there, or maybe they've been 47 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: there for generations, will be increasingly angry over this issue. 48 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 1: Working class people will will have up till now, they 49 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 1: have always looked at the tech innovations in your life 50 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 1: as being fairly innocuous, even though we know that the 51 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: tech companies, you know, they steal our data that they 52 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: you know, sell our data that they they take our 53 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 1: photos for social media profiles that they're selling us. Right, 54 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: if you don't buy a product, you are the product. 55 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 1: That's the old phrase. But it has not negatively truly 56 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 1: affected anyone's life. It's going to be different when you 57 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: talk about loss of jobs from AI, young kids not 58 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 1: being able to get jobs, or it's just happening in 59 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: this economy right now, and increasing electricity prices and the 60 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 1: possibility of shortages of water in some of the Southwest 61 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 1: because of the Data center's cooling. Listen, you don't have 62 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: to take my word for it. Just remember I said it. 63 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 1: I said on September eighth. People are filing up with it. 64 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: Now I'm regurgitating it here in October. I'll talk about 65 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: it more. But this is a trend that will get bigger, 66 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: and Republicans better not be caught flat footed when it 67 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: is like a massive, massive issue that everyone's talking about. Okay, 68 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: Now to some numbers. After about a week or two 69 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: of just a drought, speaking of droughts, a drought in polling, 70 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 1: we've gotten some new numbers and it's very exciting. First 71 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: in New Jersey, there is a brand new Beacon Shaw 72 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: poll released by Fox News and it has Democrat Mikey 73 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:16,159 Speaker 1: Cheryl leading Republican Jack Chitdarelli by five points. This is 74 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: a three point jump for Chittarelli in the last month. 75 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 1: Among what they've modeled as likely voters, Mikey Cheryl leads 76 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 1: Chitarelli fifty to forty five. That's down for Cheryl, what's 77 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: up for Chitarelly. That was fifty forty two last month 78 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:36,280 Speaker 1: Among registered voters. Her lead is even smaller it's just 79 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 1: four points, forty eight to forty four among both registered 80 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: and likely voters. All the movements of undecided voters have 81 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: gone in Chittarelli's favor. Mikey Cheryl still leads, but Jack 82 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: Chitarelli seems to have a lot of things breaking in 83 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 1: his direction. Now, some of you may have caught this 84 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:56,479 Speaker 1: on CNN. Harry Enton, who I actually anyone who works 85 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: at CNN. I respect him probably the most. I think 86 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 1: he does a really good job breaking down data to 87 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 1: make it understandable. He said that Chitarelli is doomed because 88 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: he ultimately needs to run over a bigger fraction of 89 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:10,679 Speaker 1: Harris voters. Since Harris won the state by about six points. 90 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: He has a point, But I think that he's missing 91 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: something that is concerning Democrats in the state of New Jersey, 92 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:22,679 Speaker 1: and that's voter enthusiasm. A fair Lie Dickerson and Quiney 93 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: Piac poll that was released this week, they were basically 94 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 1: in line with Fox News fair Line. Dickerson had Mikey 95 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: Cheryl leading by seven, Quinny Piac had our leading by six, 96 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 1: very similar to the Fox News pole. But one thing 97 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:37,599 Speaker 1: that they found was that there is a serious double 98 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:42,160 Speaker 1: digit gap in excitement over who they're voting for. Fifty 99 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:45,280 Speaker 1: five percent of Jack Ciarelli voters say they are very 100 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:48,919 Speaker 1: enthusiastic to support him, compared to only forty two percent 101 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: of Sharyl voters. That's a thirteen point gap. And there 102 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: is a fourteen and sorry, and fourteen percent of Mikey 103 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 1: Cheryl voters say they are not enthusiastic about voting compared 104 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: to just eight percent of Jack Chitarelli voters. We're seeing 105 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: this in the data in the mail in voting. A 106 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:10,280 Speaker 1: key group of people that Mikey Cheryl has spent the 107 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: entire year trying to get excited to convinced to vote 108 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: for her, that were support of her in the primaries 109 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 1: has been minorities. Minorities did not want this ritual white 110 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 1: lady from a very elite town being their nominee, and 111 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 1: they are dragging their feet to said they're in vote. 112 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: My buddy on Twitter named Cinec, he breaks down data 113 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: and needs a great job of it. He found that 114 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 1: precincts in New Jersey that are majority white are voting 115 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 1: on average ten to twelve points at a greater frequency 116 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 1: in the mail in voting than districts that are majority 117 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: minorities either majority Black, majority Hispanic majority Asian, majority Black 118 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 1: districts are voting at twenty two percent. Twenty two percent 119 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 1: returned their ballads, twenty percent of Hispanics have returned their ballads, 120 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 1: and just twenty percent of Asians have returned their ballads. 121 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:03,160 Speaker 1: That's a big difference compared to the thirty two percent 122 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 1: of white voters in voters in white majority precincts whoever 123 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: turned their ballads. My point has always been, if they're 124 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: not anxious to return their ballad when it's mailed to 125 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: their home, what are the chances that all the other 126 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: people are going to be excited enough to leave their 127 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 1: house on election day or early to get out into 128 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: go vote. If it rains, if it snows, if they 129 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: have a flat tire, if their kid is sneezing, whatever 130 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: the case may be, that is not a great indicator. 131 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 1: So it's not that Chitarelly has to ruin over Harris voters. 132 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 1: Harris voters have to show up, and right now in 133 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 1: the mail in data, it looks like there is a 134 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: little reluctancy. Now it's not all goodness for Chitarelly because 135 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: Cheryl Mikey Cheryl is building up a massive voter advantage 136 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: in the mail in ballads. She has sat there and 137 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: has a one hundred and thirty There's one hundred and 138 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: thirty thousand more Democrats who have submitted up mail in 139 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: ballad than Republicans, so she's going to go on election 140 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: Day with one hundred and thirty thousand vote lead. In 141 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: both the quenty piac and the Fox News poll and 142 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 1: the fair Line Dicker simple mind you, Chittarelli has a 143 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: lead among independents, but it's not enough that he would 144 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: have to have to win. In all the polls, he 145 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 1: has a mid single digit lead, and in the polls 146 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: previous that had him tied, he would need a twenty 147 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: point lead, right, which is of course possible. But these 148 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:33,680 Speaker 1: later polls that show him in a small single digit deficit, 149 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: that's because he's not doing what he needs to do 150 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 1: among independences. Set there and win. I also want to 151 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: mention that there's a Republican leaning firm named Insider Advantage 152 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 1: that also came out with a poll that found Mikey 153 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 1: Cheryl leading, but she was only leading by one point 154 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: in that pole. It's a relatively new firm, so I'm 155 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: not putting a ton of stock in it because I 156 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: don't know enough about their fundamentals. They were very, very 157 00:08:58,040 --> 00:08:59,679 Speaker 1: good in twenty twenty four. They're one of the most 158 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: act polsters in twenty twenty four, so I'm even mentioning them, 159 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: but I want to see more before I sit there 160 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: and say, oh, this is the poll you should trust. Now, 161 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: just looking at the fundamentals of the state, Mikey Cheryl 162 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:14,199 Speaker 1: has the advantage of voter registration. There are still more 163 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: Democrats than there are Republicans. Even though that number is shrinking, 164 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:20,079 Speaker 1: there are still eight hundred and fifty five thousand more 165 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 1: Democrats than Republicans. That's one hundred and fifty thousand more 166 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 1: Democrats than where there when Chris Christy was first elected 167 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: in two thousand and nine. It will be very interesting 168 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 1: to see on November first, if voters if Republicans are 169 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: gaining more new voters than Democrats are Yet again, they've 170 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: been doing that almost every single month. On the fundamentals, 171 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: Mikey Cheryl, the Democrat has the advantage, but all the 172 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: momentum is going to Chittarelly. We will have to see 173 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 1: if there's enough time and enough things to break in 174 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 1: his direction before election day. As for Virginia, we only 175 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: have a few polls and they are mostly Republican leaning firms. 176 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: There's a Trifogar poll which was very accurate in twenty 177 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 1: twenty one, not so accurate in twenty twenty two, accurate 178 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four. They have shown a sizeable momentum 179 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: moving in favor of Republican Attorney General Kennet Jason Miarez. 180 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:17,079 Speaker 1: He has a solid five point lead over Democrat Jay Jones, 181 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 1: who you know is very He's got scandaled in j Jones. 182 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:22,719 Speaker 1: I watched the debate. It was fine, but it was 183 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: actually very well respectable. Miara said, the election is a 184 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 1: referendum on j Jones and his horrible text messages. Jones 185 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: said the election was about Trump. He actually mentioned Trump's 186 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 1: name almost forty times in a one hour debate. Obviously, 187 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 1: he wanted Democrats to come home and ignore everything he's 188 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: said in those horrible text messages. The poll also found 189 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: that in the race for Lieutenant governor, that the race 190 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: was essentially tied and that wins Sears was only down 191 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:53,439 Speaker 1: two points. That ne Lissen Trafalgar has nailed a lot 192 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 1: of races that no one else saw coming. I'm not 193 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 1: dismissing them as a poll. I want to see something 194 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 1: else that shows this monumental swing towards Republicans before I 195 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: sit there and say, guys, this is you know, it 196 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: could happen. I don't know that it's an outliar. It's 197 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 1: worth paying attention to. It's a piece of data. I 198 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:14,439 Speaker 1: want to see more. I was on the klam Buck 199 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:18,559 Speaker 1: Show last week and Clay asked me our rather. Buck 200 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: asked me if these elections from Mandani and New York, 201 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 1: and the race in New Jersey and the race in 202 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: Virginia were signs of the midterms. I said, no, they're 203 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 1: not signs of the midterms. They're signs of the twenty 204 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:31,199 Speaker 1: twenty eight election cycle. Because the only candidate you see 205 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 1: not losing steam at the very end is the socialist 206 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: candidate is Mundani in New York. He's been picking up 207 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 1: seen in some of these polls. The acceptable Democratic candidates 208 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: in New Jersey and Virginia, they're having to be bailed 209 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 1: out and have that reinforcements come save them. You know 210 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 1: Obama's campaign in Virginia. Democrats are pouring millions of dollars 211 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 1: into New Jersey. In the last minute. More than anything, though, 212 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:56,679 Speaker 1: I think this gives insight into the titular swing state 213 00:11:57,080 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: of Pennsylvania and John Fetterman and whether or not he 214 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 1: can survive a primary challenge, whether he might become a Republican. 215 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 1: I will explore that next. With me on today's episode 216 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: is Albert Eisenberg. He is the principal of the red 217 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 1: of Redbridge. Let me try again. I'm not the red Bridge. Okay? 218 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: With me on today's episode is out, I'm sorry. With 219 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 1: me on today's episode is Albert Eisenberg. He is the 220 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: principal at Redbridge. It's a political firm in Pennsylvania that 221 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: has worked on a number of big races and does 222 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: outreach with groups that are flirting with being a Republican. 223 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 1: But I haven't given a hard commitment yet. Is that 224 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: a fair fair description, Albert? 225 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 2: Yeah? The term I'm using in my business is they rent, rented, 226 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 2: but did not buy. Yes, well, I like flirting. 227 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, well I think that's I think that's a little 228 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: more interesting, So Albert. There. So, first of all, there 229 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 1: was a story in Axios about Democrats preparing for a 230 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 1: primary challenge against John Fetterman and a Quinny pag poll 231 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 1: that was released a few weeks ago looked at Fetterman 232 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 1: and he was very popular in Pennsylvania, with exception of 233 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 1: one group Democrats. Democrats have really turned on John Fetterman, 234 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: which is strange given how much he votes with the party. 235 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 1: What is the story Npare Democrats really organized and committed 236 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: to this primary challenge? 237 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 2: Well, the story nationally is that we're living in an 238 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:27,440 Speaker 2: era of esthetic politics. It is not that he votes 239 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 2: with Democrats. It's that he sounds like an apostate when 240 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 2: he talks about immigration specifically and the Israel Palestine war. 241 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:41,320 Speaker 2: So Fetterman's What people like about Fetterman who are not 242 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 2: liberal Democrats is that he's willing to buck his party 243 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 2: and speak sort of reality focused, unabashed messages on pretty 244 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:52,439 Speaker 2: key central issues where Democrats are very out of step 245 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 2: with the nation as a whole. And that's a problem 246 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 2: with the Democratic base and the media sort of echo 247 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 2: chamber has yet to keyed up against him. The obvious 248 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 2: parallel is going to be what the Democrats did to 249 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:08,959 Speaker 2: Kristen Cinema, who ended up abdicating her seat. And now 250 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 2: we have a more sort of liberal bomb thrower in 251 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:15,199 Speaker 2: Ruben Diego and Arizona flirted with, you know, the independent run, 252 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 2: but ultimately there wasn't a path there. If the Democratic 253 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 2: primary was held today in Pennsylvania, Fetterman would lose. And 254 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 2: there are ambitious younger Democratic congressmen, three of them are 255 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 2: named in that piece by Holly Otter byne at Axios, 256 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 2: who are angling from different parts of the state to 257 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 2: replace Fetterman and primary him. And we'll have to see 258 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 2: what he decides to do before twenty twenty eight. 259 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 1: Well, it's crazy because Betterman was the Burning bro like 260 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: this was. This was arguably Fetterman's election to the Senate 261 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 1: was arguably the Bernie Bros' biggest victory electoral victory. They 262 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 1: actually a statewide elected which they had never accomplished before 263 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: in the Senate. And because I guess besides Bernie obviously, 264 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 1: but AOC all these other members of the squad, they're 265 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: all House members. There's really no senators like that. Eliza 266 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 1: Warren is not part of the squad. She's just you know, 267 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 1: she just she enjoys mental masturbation a lot, but she's 268 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 1: not part of the squad. There are there are, But 269 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 1: Fetterman was an open burning supporter, and I think that 270 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 1: I think the vengeance for Fetterman comes because the betrayal 271 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 1: feels so real, the fact that we have aren't. 272 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 2: Israel, Yes certainly. I mean the people that ran his 273 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 2: campaign were the most progressive aggressive. They had no qualms 274 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 2: about papering over his obvious health issues when he had 275 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 2: a stroke, just as a nasty Republican primary was resolving itself. Now, 276 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 2: he's obviously in a much better place mentally when you 277 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 2: listen to him now versus a few years ago. But 278 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 2: then all these stories have leaked about his mental health. 279 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 2: There's cognitive abilities, so they have no you know, they 280 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 2: view it as a betrayal. It sticks in their crawl 281 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 2: and they're going to try and operate against Fetterman the 282 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 2: same way they operated against Cinema. The playbook is there. 283 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 2: The problem for them is that the vibe has shifted 284 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 2: in the year is different, and the mainstream legacy media 285 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 2: has less of a monopoly on the information the voters receive. 286 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 2: And Fetterman, you know, he says he's going to stay 287 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 2: a Democrat. He has been approached by Republicans, will continue 288 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 2: to be approached by Republicans. He might do if I mean, 289 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 2: if I were him, I would do what Angus King 290 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 2: does a reverse of that and say I'm going to 291 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 2: be an independent, I'm going to caucus with the Republicans, 292 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 2: and I'm going to keep voting pro choice. I'm going 293 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 2: to keep voting, you know, pro large welfare state, a 294 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 2: sort of economic populist tone. I'm going to support Israel 295 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 2: and its existential battle. I'm going to support rational immigration 296 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 2: policy and basically be a centrist candidate. And you see 297 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 2: in his polling of Independence and Republicans it's working. 298 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. And the craziest thing is that he has an 299 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 1: abandoned night. I mean he's for his position on immigration 300 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: is to the left of where Bernie's was in twenty sixteen. 301 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 1: I mean it was Bernie Sanders said mass immigration was 302 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: a Koch Brothers pipe dream in twenty sixteen and was 303 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: much more pro worker. Now. The difference in Arizona Pennsylvania 304 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: is specifically, it's organized labor. Organized labors way more powerful 305 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania. Has organized labor abandoned abandoned, not Bernie abandoned 306 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 1: this difor there. 307 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Fetterman has done a really good job 308 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 2: with the labor unions. There's obviously, right now a split 309 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 2: that you've had your finger on that. Political analysts can 310 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 2: see between sort of the public sector, you know, white 311 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 2: collar workers type unions they ask me is as well, 312 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 2: and the labor unions, you know, the steel guys who 313 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 2: are really into this knee pond deal, the auto workers, 314 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 2: the people that are actually rolling up their sleeves. I 315 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 2: think Fetterman's tone. I can't speak to his connections and 316 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 2: for you know, the official side and the conversations he's 317 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 2: having with teamsters and auto workers and steel workers, but 318 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 2: the tone fit for those hard hat guys. And my 319 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:06,679 Speaker 2: money is on the more left leaning, more progressive unions 320 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 2: absconding and going with whatever viable more left you know 321 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:13,880 Speaker 2: challenger there is, and that's going to be Connor whamb 322 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 2: or Brendan Boyle. I'd be surprised if it was him 323 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:17,879 Speaker 2: or Doings. 324 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:22,400 Speaker 1: Boyle has taken some very right wing stances and immigration. Yeah, 325 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 1: it was just surprising because he's represents Philadelphia city proper. 326 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, but he represents a part of Philadelphia that I've 327 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 2: worked in that I came up in. Politically, I'm from 328 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 2: Philly that has swung it. It is the political realignment 329 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 2: and action. It's a you know, working class multi racial, 330 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 2: multi ethnic, multi religious, and these voters have swung right 331 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:45,399 Speaker 2: to a significant degree over the last few cycles. And 332 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:49,399 Speaker 2: in fact, we doubled our Republican representation in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania 333 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:52,640 Speaker 2: state capital, last November by flipping a state Senate seat. 334 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 2: It was the only state legislative flip to Republicans in 335 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 2: the state of a district of northeast Philly that's very 336 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 2: working class butts the Brian Fitzpatrick. 337 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 1: But twenty five year olds who did it right. 338 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, Joe Pecozzy, Now. 339 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I met him and he was like, I'm gonna 340 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: wear my sneakers like to the to the ground. And 341 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 1: I think he actually does a things. I think he 342 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:17,159 Speaker 1: told me. He's like, I knocked on every door like 343 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: three times in the whole entire district. So what ultimately 344 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 1: Fetterman is looking at. The problem that Fetterman is going 345 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 1: to have in twenty twenty eight when he runs is 346 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:33,120 Speaker 1: that he's gonta the same problem that Andrew Clonell has. 347 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 1: The middle the Democrats who were Democrats because their parents 348 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 1: were Democrats, because they've be long in a labor union, 349 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: are either dying, moving to a retirement home in Florida, 350 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 1: or their children are Republican. Like, there's no connection as 351 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:51,119 Speaker 1: that movement has come and Virginia or Pennsylvania Democrats have 352 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 1: lost about five hundred thousand registered voter registration advantage over 353 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 1: the last four years. How does I mean the only 354 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:04,200 Speaker 1: people who want to be Democrats at this point really 355 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: really also want to have trans children. There is a 356 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:11,119 Speaker 1: very big like the event diagram is very overloaded at 357 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:15,679 Speaker 1: this point. How does and I mean you said that 358 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: Fetterman would could possibly become an independent who votes in 359 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:22,920 Speaker 1: the middle and hopefully gets an endorsement from somebody. How 360 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 1: does Fetterman also possibly avoid the shared brown How does 361 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:29,639 Speaker 1: he avoid being the last Democrat left? Because everyone in 362 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: the state is a Demo, is a Republican statewide except 363 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:35,400 Speaker 1: for the governor, lieutenant governor, and one senator. 364 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean pens So there's a lot in there. 365 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 2: As far as Fetterman, he has a political vehicle problem, 366 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 2: which is basically, in the last century, you need one 367 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 2: of the major parties, you need to be their nominee, 368 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 2: and then you need to go into the general election 369 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 2: and you need to win. He has said he does 370 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 2: not want to switch to being a Republican. I don't 371 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 2: see a space. Although I think it would be smart 372 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 2: if the pagop said, hey, flip to being a Democrat 373 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 2: and we won't run anybody against you. That would be smart. 374 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 2: But there has not been somebody to successfully run up 375 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,639 Speaker 2: the middle, even though in poll after poll, and you know, 376 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 2: anecdotal conversation after anecdotal conversation, people are craving sort of normal, pragmatic. 377 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 2: You know, people are problem solvers who are not bomb bass. 378 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 2: They're not throwing bombs from the left or right. So 379 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 2: his issue is not popularity, clearly, the Kynipiac pole you mentioned, 380 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:33,920 Speaker 2: he's above water with a number of key groups. It's 381 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,879 Speaker 2: the vehicle and the Democrats, I can guarantee you are 382 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 2: going to be successful at primarying him, and he's not 383 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 2: going to have the vehicle to run as John Fetterman 384 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:45,160 Speaker 2: democratic nominee. And there's never really been somebody who's lost 385 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 2: that primary and then run as an independent with somebody 386 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,399 Speaker 2: to the right and the left and succeeded. So he 387 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 2: would need to have that infrastructure behind him. And a 388 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 2: lot of the people who have talked and floated, you know, 389 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 2: the Larry Hogan's of the world, the Andrew Yangs of 390 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 2: the world haven't actually executed to that infrastructure. That being said, 391 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:06,640 Speaker 2: we're living in a whole new political paradigm, so it's possible. 392 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 2: I think there's a path there for him. So that's 393 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,399 Speaker 2: your question about Fetterman and his path to the future. 394 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 2: It's not about popularity and sort of his policies down 395 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 2: the middle. It's about the vehicle that it's going to 396 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 2: be attached to his name to be on the ballot 397 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 2: for voters. As far as Pennsylvania, it is truly a 398 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 2: purple state. Tinged blue. Twenty twenty four was a high 399 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 2: water mark. We took home all three Row offices, Attorney General, 400 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:34,880 Speaker 2: Honor General, and Treasurer. We flipped the US Senate. See 401 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,880 Speaker 2: it was the only US Senate flip in a swing 402 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 2: state in one of the seven swing states. Dave McCormick 403 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 2: won by a margin of just under sixteen thousand votes, 404 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:46,919 Speaker 2: which is very, very teeny tiny. We do so we 405 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 2: have a lot of Republican representation right now, but it 406 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 2: really is a purple to left leaning state. Republicans are 407 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 2: making registration gains everywhere from Philadelphia to northeast Pennsylvania. Ancestrally 408 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 2: Democrat where we flipped a sort of progressive congressman old school, 409 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:06,639 Speaker 2: you know, longstanding guy Matt Kart right out of office 410 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 2: for Rob Resnihan. And we have four congressional toss up 411 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 2: seats in twenty twenty six, so it's the most in 412 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,680 Speaker 2: the country. So all eyes are going to continue being 413 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:20,399 Speaker 2: on Pennsylvania. Republicans are making registration gains. As you've noted before, 414 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 2: the people who want to have a transkit are also 415 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 2: the people that think voting is a dogma and or 416 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 2: religious sacrament. Those people are going to be super activated voting. 417 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 2: So both sides have their relative advantages and it's really 418 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 2: going to be a you know, bloody fight. 419 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 1: Okay, So two last two questions. One, what is going 420 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: on with the twenty twenty five Supreme Court collection, because 421 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 1: that is really important because these people will be probably 422 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:48,199 Speaker 1: drawing the next map for the Pennsylvania congressional districts in 423 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 1: twenty thirty. 424 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,119 Speaker 2: Definitely, So that is a key question. That we have 425 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:56,639 Speaker 2: an activist Democratic run state Supreme Court of five to 426 00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 2: two majority in Pennsylvania. There's a question about retainer, which 427 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 2: a little confusing to the average voter. Effectively, were voting 428 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:07,919 Speaker 2: whether to retain or not three Democratic justices based on 429 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,679 Speaker 2: where the voting base is right now and the energy 430 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:13,719 Speaker 2: is in the off year. My strong guess is that 431 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:18,119 Speaker 2: Democrats vote yes on retention and that those justices prevail 432 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 2: and we have to move on to twenty twenty six 433 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 2: and work really hard to persuade more voters and turn 434 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,880 Speaker 2: our base out. So that's what I would guess would 435 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 2: happen with the State Supreme Court. 436 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:31,120 Speaker 1: Okay, that's interesting. And then finally is I mean, there's 437 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 1: this saying that's online and I don't know how much 438 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:35,199 Speaker 1: I believe in it. I kind of do, kind of 439 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 1: don't do the saying that Pennsylvania is the new Ohio 440 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 1: and New Jersey is the new Pennsylvania. Do you take 441 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 1: any stock in that? Like that Pennsylvania is just a 442 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: red state waiting to happen, and then New Jersey is 443 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 1: of purple state waiting to happen. 444 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 2: I think that's a very cute thing to say. Pennsylvania 445 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 2: has exploding suburban affluent communities in the southeast color Counties 446 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 2: around Philadelphia, South central Pennsylvania around Lancaster Greater Harrisburg has exploded. 447 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 2: People who are commuting to d C. These are people 448 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,879 Speaker 2: without roots in Pennsylvania. These are upper you know, bachelor's 449 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:14,440 Speaker 2: degree at a minimum. Those populations are exploding. The rural 450 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 2: white population is declining and most you know, of our 451 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 2: two thirds of our counties are rural. So that helps Democrats. 452 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 2: What has helped Republicans and why we narrowly flip the 453 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:28,119 Speaker 2: state in twenty twenty four is that working black and 454 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 2: Hispanic voters have moved to the right in significant numbers, 455 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 2: and working black voters their turnout has dropped significantly versus 456 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,400 Speaker 2: the state as a whole. So it's it's countervailing trends. 457 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 2: Pennsylvania continues to be the Keystone state. It's the largest 458 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,640 Speaker 2: swing state. It's going to remain that way. It encapsulates 459 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 2: a lot of the country's populations, problems, opportunities. I think 460 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,120 Speaker 2: New Jersey is a very interesting state that is trending right, 461 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,360 Speaker 2: But I think Pennsylvania is going to maintain its status. 462 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 2: And I'm not just saying that because I run a 463 00:25:57,800 --> 00:25:58,400 Speaker 2: business there. 464 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, now, well, listen doesn't count anymore. I think the 465 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,679 Speaker 1: one thing that I agree with everything you said about 466 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 1: the Hispanics and the black vote and whatnot. I think 467 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 1: the thing that no one that people underestimate is that 468 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:13,120 Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen. There was an article written for five 469 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 1: thirty eight that I remember called the Missing White Vote. 470 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,159 Speaker 1: It was about I think there was like two or 471 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 1: three million non college educated white Americans in Pennsylvania who 472 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: were not even registered to vote. And when the governor 473 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:30,119 Speaker 1: did automatic voter registration, weeple got their licenses. The number 474 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 1: of Republican registrations surged. Because it's the guy, it's, for 475 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,639 Speaker 1: lack of a better phrase, but it's Billy Bob who's 476 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 1: never ready to vote all of a sudden has to 477 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:40,879 Speaker 1: what is going to resist it? I'll be a Republican. 478 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 1: And I think that that also saw a huge pickup. 479 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 1: And also people reregister their licenses and they were voting 480 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 1: Republican where they were a Democrat, you know on paper. 481 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 1: They sat there and so they were like, oh, I'll 482 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,479 Speaker 1: make the change. I don't think people understand how much 483 00:26:54,520 --> 00:27:00,159 Speaker 1: Josh Shapiro's position to make automatic voter registration backfired the 484 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: same way it happened for Kemp in Georgia, and reverse 485 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: got a lot of blacks who didn't vote to register 486 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,640 Speaker 1: to vote and they vote a Democrat. In Pennsylvania, shap 487 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,399 Speaker 1: Here got a lot of white people who were not 488 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,679 Speaker 1: college educated to sit there and vote and registered Republicans. 489 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 1: So that's my opinion. I don't know if you have 490 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 1: a change on that. 491 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, file it under high on 492 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 2: their own supply. That whole democratic everyone needs to vote. 493 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,680 Speaker 2: Rock the vote turn out everyone Now they know that 494 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 2: that actually helps Republicans and it's going to keep helping 495 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 2: us both in the off year and the midterms and 496 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,640 Speaker 2: in the next presidential So, you know, the situation nationally 497 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,719 Speaker 2: has changed so much as we have a more working 498 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 2: class people who are not addicted to politics and being 499 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 2: online all the time. When we turn those people out 500 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 2: will win more elections as Republicans, and certainly on the margins, 501 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 2: those policies matter. One thing that's very interesting is that 502 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:54,200 Speaker 2: black voter turnout has really collapsed in places like Harrisburg 503 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:58,119 Speaker 2: and majority black wards in Philadelphia, in majority black wards 504 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 2: in Chester City in Pittsburgh has gone down from two 505 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 2: to ten percent since Obama's reelection in twenty twelve, while 506 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 2: the states turnout has surged by ten percent. So that's 507 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,879 Speaker 2: a relative gap of up to twenty percent that is 508 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 2: dooming Democrats. And what's that telling us? It's the Canary 509 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 2: and the coal mine. Working black voters are saying, I'm 510 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 2: no longer engaged by either party, which is a catastrophe 511 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 2: if you're winning them ninety two to eight, and now 512 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,199 Speaker 2: they've started to shift to the right. So working voters 513 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 2: of all backgrounds really are going to be the plus 514 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 2: and the magaplus coalition. They're going to determine whether we're 515 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 2: able to take home statewide wins and keep our congressional 516 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 2: seats that we flipped offs. 517 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 1: I love the term magaplus. Never heard it, Albert. Where 518 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 1: people go to read more about are you and red 519 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 1: Bridge and what you guys do? 520 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,479 Speaker 2: You can find us online at your Redbridge dot com. 521 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 2: Our firm has put the political realignment into action very 522 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 2: uniquely in Pennsylvania nationally. We take all these trends that 523 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 2: you talk about every episode and put them into action 524 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 2: for campaigns and causes. Very excited about the work. So 525 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,719 Speaker 2: check us out your Redbridge dot com and you can 526 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 2: find me on Twitter slash x, depending on whether you've 527 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 2: switched over your nomenclature at Albidelphia A L B Y 528 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 2: D E L P h I. A. 529 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much for coming on this podcast. 530 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 1: Thanks for having me Ryan, You're listening to It's a 531 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 1: Numbers Game with Ryan Gradsky. We'll be right back now 532 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 1: it's time for the Ask Me Anything segment of this podcast. 533 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 1: If you want to be part of the Ask Me 534 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 1: Anything segment segment, email me Ryan at Numbers Game Podcast 535 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 1: dot com. That's Ryan at Numbers Plural Numbers Game Podcast 536 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 1: dot com. I love these emails. They really get the 537 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 1: show interesting and going, and please send them to me 538 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 1: whatever questions you could possibly have about basically anything. This 539 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 1: first question is from Gary from Wisconsin, a lifelong Mets fan. 540 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 1: He points out. He says, since you mentioned you might 541 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 1: do a non political episode of the show, which I 542 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 1: did on Thursday, he said, maybe you could talk with 543 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 1: the baseball playoffs. It might be interesting how many times 544 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 1: the team with the best record Brewers this year go 545 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 1: all the way? How often the wild card teams win? 546 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 1: It does pitching? I would do good hitting. I think 547 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 1: it'd be very timely, and I don't feel like looking 548 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 1: it up. Lol. Okay, Gary, I appreciate thank you for 549 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 1: your email. Thank you for listening. I cannot tell you 550 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 1: how little I know about professional sports. It would actually 551 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 1: baffle you. You would think, is this man being raised in America, 552 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 1: Like it is shocking how little I know. I grew 553 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 1: up as a Yankees fan, but like I liked players. 554 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 1: I loved Bernie Williams and Tina Martinez and I'm like 555 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 1: Chuck Knoblock, Derek Cheter, I mean, I love I grew 556 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 1: up with the Dynasty Yankees, the Yankees that won four 557 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 1: World Series in five years. But then they got old 558 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 1: and retired, and then I got old and stopped making 559 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 1: baseball a big part of my life. And now, like 560 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 1: if I get him, I did to a sporting event, 561 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 1: I go because like, oh, I love live sports. It's fun, 562 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 1: it's entertaining, but I don't watch it. I couldn't. I probably, 563 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 1: I mean there's a few players I probably know, but 564 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 1: I couldn't. I couldn't. I couldn't do it. I'm sorry. 565 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 1: I would give you. I mean, I would have to 566 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 1: be like literally reading a Google search because I don't 567 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 1: know enough about it and I would have to spend 568 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 1: so much time learning about it. I've done a sports 569 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 1: episode on this podcast before, but I had the Super Bowl, 570 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 1: and the money by the super Bowl is very interesting, 571 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 1: So maybe another super Bowl episode. I don't know, I'll 572 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 1: think about it. Email me if there's anyone else who 573 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 1: wants to talk about baseball, it would be comical. You'll 574 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 1: be like, Wow, this guy has no clue what he's 575 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 1: talking about, which would be true. I will tell you 576 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 1: a really quick story though. When I was a kid, 577 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 1: my dad works security for the Old Shay Stadium and 578 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 1: the Yankees and Mets were in the two thousand Subway 579 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 1: Series and he was like, hey, there's a section of 580 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 1: the stadium that they put handicap people in. There's no seas, 581 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 1: but you could just stand there. So he brought me 582 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 1: and my best friend at the time, a kid named 583 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 1: Rob who I haven't spoken to in a long time, 584 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 1: but they brought He brought us to the game and 585 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,960 Speaker 1: he just like parked us in the handicap section and said, 586 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 1: here you are. You're at the World Series. It was 587 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 1: Game four, which was the one that they won on 588 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 1: because I think, sorry, game five, it's Game five because 589 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,719 Speaker 1: Yankees won four games and I think that's one won 590 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 1: that season. But it was last game before the World 591 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 1: Series though, and let's come out of the World Series. 592 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:36,720 Speaker 1: And we were there watching it live and we were like, 593 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 1: we're not going to stay here. I mean, my dad 594 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 1: wasn't watching us. We were just like you know, ten 595 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 1: year olds being like, hey, we're in Shay Stadium. Let's 596 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 1: just go wander and see if anyone stops. Let's go 597 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 1: see there's any empty seats, as if there would be 598 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 1: empty seats of the World Series. And back then pre 599 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 1: nine to eleven, pre electronic everything, there was physical ticket 600 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 1: still there was no one like there to scan. There 601 00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 1: was like more security. So we walked all the way 602 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 1: up front. We've found two empty seats, but it turns 603 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:05,719 Speaker 1: out that they were like people at the bathroom who 604 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 1: came back and they were like, you could like just 605 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 1: hang out with us and sit like and like sit 606 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:12,800 Speaker 1: on our laps or whatever. I don't even know what 607 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: the help we said. We just hung out there though, 608 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 1: and there was like an actor from like melrose Place 609 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:19,480 Speaker 1: or whatever who's sitting next to us. I forget, but 610 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 1: it was I remember the instance, but not all the 611 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:23,959 Speaker 1: late signing details that I was only ten. But I 612 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,000 Speaker 1: did go to a World Series game, a final World 613 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,200 Speaker 1: Series game in the two thousand Subway series, and it 614 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 1: was it was great. So okay, that's my only story 615 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,440 Speaker 1: about baseball I have for you. Next question comes from Kevin. 616 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 1: Kevin writes, I love Numbers Game. Listen to every episode. 617 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 1: Thank you, Kevin. I appreciate that so much. He I 618 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 1: also share my friends who are interested in particular subjects. 619 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,000 Speaker 1: I know you know you said Mickey cows as a liberal, 620 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 1: but almost nothing, he says on Monday's podcast sounded liberal. 621 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,960 Speaker 1: Most was common seemed right of center. Kevin, thank you 622 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 1: for listening. Yeah, Mickey's an old school liberal about a 623 00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 1: lot of things. And immigration, He's always been a thing 624 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:04,239 Speaker 1: that the left was. I don't say always, but in 625 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 1: the nineties in the eighties, the left a lot of 626 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,239 Speaker 1: times was much better on securing the border than the 627 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:14,480 Speaker 1: right was, because they were the party of like saysar Chavez, 628 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,880 Speaker 1: and they were wanting to reduce illegal labor so they 629 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,759 Speaker 1: wouldn't water, like, you know, bring down workers payments. And 630 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 1: they were the party of the unions, and the unions 631 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:27,359 Speaker 1: all hated illegal immigrants. And then around the two thousands, 632 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:31,239 Speaker 1: early two thousands is when you saw a lot of 633 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,879 Speaker 1: these groups, like the environmental groups, by the way, were 634 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:37,480 Speaker 1: all against illegal immigration because they didn't want mass over population. 635 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 1: They wanted to reduce immigration numbers. In fact, and in 636 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 1: the two thousands it became about racial identity, and so 637 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,719 Speaker 1: they were all down with the browning of America. They 638 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 1: were all down with mass transition of the country from 639 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,400 Speaker 1: a majority white country to a non majority white country 640 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 1: because the new immigrants were voting Democrat and they didn't 641 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,719 Speaker 1: care about what that meant for the working class. They 642 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:06,640 Speaker 1: were going to be the party of the educated bourgeois anyway. Yeah, 643 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,719 Speaker 1: so it Mickey is a classical old liberal. There are 644 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:11,359 Speaker 1: a few of them out there. There are a few 645 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 1: who still believe that. 646 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:13,279 Speaker 2: Uh. 647 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,839 Speaker 1: And it makes having a bad position on immigration as 648 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:22,640 Speaker 1: a liberal makes every one of your other positions, you know, 649 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:27,200 Speaker 1: not everyone, but almost every almost every other immig position, 650 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 1: like Nolan Void, like, you can't be an environmentalist and 651 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,920 Speaker 1: want one hundred million people to move to the country. 652 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 1: You can't you get rid of well, people sleeping in 653 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:37,920 Speaker 1: parts with people sleeping in you know, in our in 654 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,720 Speaker 1: our wilderness. You have to build cities everywhere. You cannot 655 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:44,719 Speaker 1: be a liberal and support ending the gap between the 656 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 1: poor and the and the and the rich, because you're 657 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:51,080 Speaker 1: importing poor people every year. That gap keeps growing. Immigration 658 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:57,000 Speaker 1: makes everything harder. Mass makers makes everything harder. And Democrats 659 00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:58,880 Speaker 1: used to know it and it said they did they 660 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,120 Speaker 1: forgot it. And Mickey, he's an old school liberal who 661 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,200 Speaker 1: hasn't and God bless him. He's a great guest and 662 00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,879 Speaker 1: a really good friend, so you should follow his work. 663 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 1: It's really really smart. He's a really smart guy. Anyway, 664 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,480 Speaker 1: that concludes this episode. I hope you enjoy it. If 665 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 1: you like this podcast, please like and subscribe on the 666 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,799 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcasts. Give 667 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:19,719 Speaker 1: me a five star review. If you're being generous, it 668 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,400 Speaker 1: makes it much easier to find this podcast. And I 669 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:26,200 Speaker 1: will speak to you guys on Thursday.