1 00:00:04,755 --> 00:00:08,995 Speaker 1: Countdown with Keith Olderman is a production of I Heart Radio. 2 00:00:22,955 --> 00:00:26,795 Speaker 1: Someday we will finally prosecute George W. Bush for his 3 00:00:26,875 --> 00:00:30,915 Speaker 1: dereliction of duty before September eleventh, two thousand one, or 4 00:00:30,995 --> 00:00:35,395 Speaker 1: more likely, our descendants will read in history books of 5 00:00:35,475 --> 00:00:39,715 Speaker 1: Bush's culpability of his mouthfeasance of his abandonment of this 6 00:00:39,835 --> 00:00:43,235 Speaker 1: nation in its time of need. If there are history books, 7 00:00:43,555 --> 00:00:48,075 Speaker 1: if there are descendants, and whichever happens, it will be 8 00:00:48,195 --> 00:00:53,515 Speaker 1: understood that it all began to happen on November nine, two, 9 00:00:53,635 --> 00:00:59,075 Speaker 1: and initially nobody noticed. Three weeks ago, the United States 10 00:00:59,115 --> 00:01:03,355 Speaker 1: government declassified a thirty one page memorandum for the record 11 00:01:03,395 --> 00:01:06,235 Speaker 1: of a meeting in the Oval Office in the White House, 12 00:01:06,675 --> 00:01:09,875 Speaker 1: hosted by President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney and 13 00:01:09,995 --> 00:01:13,755 Speaker 1: four other staffers, with ten guests ten members of the 14 00:01:13,835 --> 00:01:16,795 Speaker 1: nine eleven Commission. The date of that meeting was April 15 00:01:16,835 --> 00:01:21,555 Speaker 1: two thousand four. Bush and Cheney invited the commission members 16 00:01:21,555 --> 00:01:24,715 Speaker 1: to ask anything they wanted about nine eleven, and though 17 00:01:24,755 --> 00:01:27,195 Speaker 1: their answers have been referred to in the more than 18 00:01:27,275 --> 00:01:30,595 Speaker 1: seventeen years that have ensued, they have never before been 19 00:01:30,635 --> 00:01:34,955 Speaker 1: seen by the American public. I did not know this 20 00:01:35,035 --> 00:01:38,435 Speaker 1: had happened until yesterday it was written up by the 21 00:01:38,435 --> 00:01:41,315 Speaker 1: news site Business Insider. It had been written up by 22 00:01:41,355 --> 00:01:47,795 Speaker 1: the Intercept site. On the Intercept's version got thirty one retweets. 23 00:01:48,595 --> 00:01:51,515 Speaker 1: Jeremy skate Hill of The Intercept wrote that it had 24 00:01:51,555 --> 00:01:55,395 Speaker 1: happened quietly. That word does not begin to describe the 25 00:01:55,395 --> 00:01:58,475 Speaker 1: silence with which it happened, with which it was received, 26 00:01:59,075 --> 00:02:03,675 Speaker 1: with which it is still being received today. Bush's words 27 00:02:03,755 --> 00:02:08,275 Speaker 1: in this Declass of five document are beyond damning. They 28 00:02:08,315 --> 00:02:12,795 Speaker 1: are confessional, They are even at this distance of time 29 00:02:12,875 --> 00:02:19,995 Speaker 1: and national tone, shocking. They constitute proven fact that George W. 30 00:02:20,115 --> 00:02:24,315 Speaker 1: Bush was warned for nearly eight months that something was 31 00:02:24,395 --> 00:02:29,515 Speaker 1: coming here, and that he did nothing, nothing but scoff 32 00:02:29,955 --> 00:02:34,755 Speaker 1: and condescend and scheme to find an excuse to attack Iraq, 33 00:02:35,595 --> 00:02:38,275 Speaker 1: while more than three thousand Americans were already targeted for 34 00:02:38,355 --> 00:02:41,555 Speaker 1: death by Osama bin Laden, and three million American sense 35 00:02:41,795 --> 00:02:45,515 Speaker 1: of security was already targeted for destruction by Osama bin Laden, 36 00:02:45,755 --> 00:02:49,835 Speaker 1: and America's descent into paranoia and barbarism and scapegoating and 37 00:02:49,915 --> 00:02:55,355 Speaker 1: torture was already timeline by Osama bin Laden, And that 38 00:02:55,475 --> 00:02:58,755 Speaker 1: when confronted by the evidence of his own failures, his 39 00:02:58,795 --> 00:03:03,395 Speaker 1: own arrogance, and the inarguable public record. President George W. 40 00:03:03,595 --> 00:03:07,475 Speaker 1: Bush tried to lie his way out of it. Repeatedly. 41 00:03:08,235 --> 00:03:12,995 Speaker 1: Bush blamed others. Bush lied about others. Bush lied about 42 00:03:13,035 --> 00:03:17,675 Speaker 1: the briefings. Bush, in short, confirmed virtually everything that all 43 00:03:17,715 --> 00:03:20,595 Speaker 1: of us had claimed, all of us who criticized him 44 00:03:20,635 --> 00:03:23,315 Speaker 1: in two thousand four, in two thousand three, in two 45 00:03:23,395 --> 00:03:28,155 Speaker 1: thousand two, in two thousand one, most of us were mocked. 46 00:03:28,835 --> 00:03:31,755 Speaker 1: Some of us had our livelihoods threatened, some of us 47 00:03:31,795 --> 00:03:36,435 Speaker 1: had our lives threatened. And somehow George W. Bush walked 48 00:03:36,435 --> 00:03:40,355 Speaker 1: away with a nonsensical excuse that is still largely supported 49 00:03:40,835 --> 00:03:45,435 Speaker 1: by a structure of rationalizations and lies and imbecilities. They 50 00:03:45,475 --> 00:03:48,955 Speaker 1: are best summarized by an analogy I first made on 51 00:03:48,995 --> 00:03:52,955 Speaker 1: the air in two thousand six. History still somehow gives 52 00:03:53,035 --> 00:03:56,875 Speaker 1: Ronald Reagan credit for the release of the American hostages 53 00:03:56,915 --> 00:03:59,835 Speaker 1: in Iran, even though that took place on the first 54 00:04:00,075 --> 00:04:05,915 Speaker 1: day of Reagan's presidency. Yet history still somehow absolves George W. 55 00:04:06,035 --> 00:04:08,795 Speaker 1: Bush of any blame for nine eleven, even though that 56 00:04:08,915 --> 00:04:13,115 Speaker 1: took place on the two and thirty fifth day of 57 00:04:13,275 --> 00:04:22,035 Speaker 1: Bush's presidency. From this document. Quote Chairman Kane asked about 58 00:04:22,035 --> 00:04:25,115 Speaker 1: the president's reaction to the August six p d B, 59 00:04:25,395 --> 00:04:30,635 Speaker 1: the President's Daily Briefing, quoting Bush's reply, they saw threats overseas. 60 00:04:31,075 --> 00:04:34,355 Speaker 1: He asked CIA to analyze threats in America. There was 61 00:04:34,395 --> 00:04:37,235 Speaker 1: only one reference to threats in America during my presidency 62 00:04:37,275 --> 00:04:40,155 Speaker 1: to that point, and he had asked for it. Not 63 00:04:40,435 --> 00:04:46,395 Speaker 1: one arrived at his desk. They didn't see any actionable intelligence. 64 00:04:46,755 --> 00:04:49,315 Speaker 1: Al Qaeda was dangerous, that it was a problem to 65 00:04:49,355 --> 00:04:55,595 Speaker 1: be dealt with. He knew that, unquote George Bush lied 66 00:04:55,635 --> 00:04:59,035 Speaker 1: to the nine eleven Commission. He wrote history a new 67 00:05:00,435 --> 00:05:04,635 Speaker 1: He wrote the August six p dB, a new which 68 00:05:04,755 --> 00:05:08,195 Speaker 1: not only was not about threats overseas, it was famously 69 00:05:08,235 --> 00:05:13,555 Speaker 1: titled Bin Laden determined to strike in US. The sixth 70 00:05:13,635 --> 00:05:17,675 Speaker 1: paragraph of the August six p dB reads quote al 71 00:05:17,755 --> 00:05:21,955 Speaker 1: Qaeda members, including some who are US citizens, have resided 72 00:05:21,995 --> 00:05:24,875 Speaker 1: in or traveled to the US for years, and the 73 00:05:24,915 --> 00:05:29,355 Speaker 1: group apparently maintains a support structure that could aid attacks. 74 00:05:30,955 --> 00:05:35,035 Speaker 1: That was not about threats overseas. Bush lied to the 75 00:05:35,115 --> 00:05:41,515 Speaker 1: nine eleven Commission. The ninth paragraph quote, FBI information indicates 76 00:05:41,515 --> 00:05:45,555 Speaker 1: patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations 77 00:05:45,555 --> 00:05:51,115 Speaker 1: for hijackings or other types of attacks, including recent surveillance 78 00:05:51,555 --> 00:05:56,275 Speaker 1: of federal buildings in New York, that was not about 79 00:05:56,315 --> 00:05:59,995 Speaker 1: threats overseas. Bush lied to the nine eleven Commission the 80 00:06:00,075 --> 00:06:04,595 Speaker 1: seventh paragraph of the August six p dB quote clandestine's 81 00:06:04,755 --> 00:06:08,955 Speaker 1: or said in a bin Laden cell in New York 82 00:06:09,075 --> 00:06:12,875 Speaker 1: was recruiting Muslim American youth for attacks. Bin Laden wanted 83 00:06:12,915 --> 00:06:16,875 Speaker 1: to hijack a US aircraft to gain the release of 84 00:06:16,915 --> 00:06:20,275 Speaker 1: blind Shake Umar Abd al Rockman and other US held 85 00:06:20,475 --> 00:06:27,035 Speaker 1: extremists unquote. But to nine eleven Commissioner Richard ben Venisti, 86 00:06:27,315 --> 00:06:31,955 Speaker 1: according to the Justice classified document, Bush said, quote, we 87 00:06:31,955 --> 00:06:35,155 Speaker 1: were aware that ben Lawden had sympathizers in the United 88 00:06:35,195 --> 00:06:40,115 Speaker 1: States as two cells. No one ever said that to him. 89 00:06:40,315 --> 00:06:47,075 Speaker 1: Bush lied to Commissioner ben Venisti ben Laden sell in 90 00:06:47,155 --> 00:06:51,195 Speaker 1: New York. Bush then said he couldn't recall people walking 91 00:06:51,235 --> 00:06:53,955 Speaker 1: in here and worrying about cells in the United States. 92 00:06:53,995 --> 00:06:57,515 Speaker 1: Not one PDB was commenting on a threat in America. 93 00:06:59,555 --> 00:07:03,435 Speaker 1: A cell in New York hijacking US aircraft suspicious activity 94 00:07:03,435 --> 00:07:08,315 Speaker 1: consistent with preparation for hijackings. Bush again lied to nine 95 00:07:08,395 --> 00:07:13,715 Speaker 1: eleven Commissioner Ben Veniste quote. Chairman Kane asked if the 96 00:07:13,755 --> 00:07:18,275 Speaker 1: President remembered seeing other intelligence about aircraft as missiles or 97 00:07:18,315 --> 00:07:22,755 Speaker 1: about Islamic extremists learning to fly. No, the President said 98 00:07:22,875 --> 00:07:25,675 Speaker 1: the only report was the one about a potential hijacking 99 00:07:25,915 --> 00:07:29,035 Speaker 1: for the release of prisoners mentioned in the PDB of 100 00:07:29,075 --> 00:07:36,995 Speaker 1: August six. Bush lied to Chairman Kane quote no one 101 00:07:37,035 --> 00:07:40,355 Speaker 1: said there was a problem domestically. Bush told Commissioner Ben 102 00:07:40,435 --> 00:07:44,515 Speaker 1: Venis Day the threat was overseas. That was what George 103 00:07:44,515 --> 00:07:51,555 Speaker 1: Tennant said, New York cell hijacking US aircraft, Bin Laden 104 00:07:51,635 --> 00:07:57,035 Speaker 1: determined to strike in US. Bush lied to Commissioner ben 105 00:07:57,115 --> 00:08:01,115 Speaker 1: Venist Day and blamed CIA Director Tenant. In fact, two 106 00:08:01,195 --> 00:08:03,795 Speaker 1: thousand four, just two weeks before they met with Bush, 107 00:08:03,995 --> 00:08:07,435 Speaker 1: the nine eleven commissioners met with George Tennant, the CIA Director. 108 00:08:07,955 --> 00:08:10,675 Speaker 1: As Insider wrote, in the spring and summer of two 109 00:08:10,715 --> 00:08:13,515 Speaker 1: thousand one, Tenant had warned Bush no fewer than forty 110 00:08:14,075 --> 00:08:17,235 Speaker 1: separate times that a major attack by al Qaeda was 111 00:08:17,275 --> 00:08:20,515 Speaker 1: on the horizon. Analysts called the flood of warnings a 112 00:08:20,675 --> 00:08:26,355 Speaker 1: quote threat spike, and the quote summer of threat unquote. 113 00:08:27,875 --> 00:08:32,515 Speaker 1: George Tennant had said there was a problem domestically. Bush 114 00:08:32,995 --> 00:08:39,595 Speaker 1: lied to the nine eleven Commission. Quote. Commissioner Bob Kerrey 115 00:08:39,675 --> 00:08:43,555 Speaker 1: asked if the CIA had done any analysis of hijacking scenarios, 116 00:08:43,555 --> 00:08:46,675 Speaker 1: analysis that might have shown up some of the security problems. 117 00:08:46,715 --> 00:08:49,555 Speaker 1: The President said he was unaware of such an analysis. 118 00:08:49,835 --> 00:08:53,875 Speaker 1: Looking back, he commented on weakness in watch lists and 119 00:08:53,955 --> 00:08:57,435 Speaker 1: the lack of hardened doors on cockpits. If someone had said, 120 00:08:57,715 --> 00:09:00,395 Speaker 1: here's how al Qaeda would attack, there would have been 121 00:09:00,395 --> 00:09:06,635 Speaker 1: a reaction. Someone had said years how al Qaeda would attack. 122 00:09:07,115 --> 00:09:13,115 Speaker 1: Bush had no reaction. He lied to Commissioner Kerry. Quote. 123 00:09:13,115 --> 00:09:16,595 Speaker 1: Commissioner Thompson asked if he had talked about al Qaeda 124 00:09:16,675 --> 00:09:20,395 Speaker 1: to President Clinton during the transition. He didn't remember much 125 00:09:20,435 --> 00:09:22,595 Speaker 1: being said on al Qaeda. There was a lot on 126 00:09:22,675 --> 00:09:27,315 Speaker 1: North Korea. The President felt sure President Clinton mentioned terrorism 127 00:09:27,435 --> 00:09:37,075 Speaker 1: of some kind. He shrugged. Unquote George W. Bush shrugged. Quote. 128 00:09:37,355 --> 00:09:41,115 Speaker 1: Commissioner ben Veniste mentioned Condi Rice's statement that nobody had 129 00:09:41,115 --> 00:09:43,995 Speaker 1: thought of using airplanes as weapons. The President said that 130 00:09:44,035 --> 00:09:47,635 Speaker 1: nobody ever told her about this possibility. Commissioner ben Veniste 131 00:09:47,755 --> 00:09:50,755 Speaker 1: said he thought the intelligence on this possibility had surely 132 00:09:50,795 --> 00:09:53,875 Speaker 1: been available. The President asked if the Commissioner was sure 133 00:09:53,915 --> 00:09:57,915 Speaker 1: about that. Yes, Commissioner ben Veniste said the Intelligence Committee 134 00:09:58,035 --> 00:10:02,995 Speaker 1: had collected a dozen instances of planned use of suicide planes, 135 00:10:03,835 --> 00:10:05,555 Speaker 1: and there were the measure years to protect the G 136 00:10:05,715 --> 00:10:09,155 Speaker 1: eight summit in Genoa, including a cap over Genoa and 137 00:10:09,235 --> 00:10:13,315 Speaker 1: placement of anti aircraft batteries. The President replied that nobody 138 00:10:13,355 --> 00:10:16,915 Speaker 1: had said, by the way, a vulnerability of America is 139 00:10:17,955 --> 00:10:23,155 Speaker 1: not to him or to Condi Rice. Bush, in essence, 140 00:10:23,595 --> 00:10:27,235 Speaker 1: wanted a full line by line script recording every step 141 00:10:27,235 --> 00:10:30,475 Speaker 1: of hijacking or other type of attack would take place, 142 00:10:31,515 --> 00:10:35,235 Speaker 1: and where and perhaps when, or as far as he 143 00:10:35,275 --> 00:10:39,075 Speaker 1: was concerned, nobody had ever thought of using airplanes as weapons. 144 00:10:41,315 --> 00:10:45,675 Speaker 1: George W. Bush lied to the nine eleven commission George W. 145 00:10:45,835 --> 00:10:53,595 Speaker 1: Bush lied to America. It is nauseating and enraging to 146 00:10:53,715 --> 00:10:57,595 Speaker 1: read bushes failures, failures of honesty, of imagination, of leadership. 147 00:10:57,635 --> 00:11:01,635 Speaker 1: Even so many years later, nine hundred and forty one 148 00:11:01,715 --> 00:11:05,995 Speaker 1: days had elapsed since nine eleven, and talking to the 149 00:11:06,075 --> 00:11:10,515 Speaker 1: nine eleven commissioners, George Bush was still stupid and condescending 150 00:11:11,675 --> 00:11:16,355 Speaker 1: and arrogant, and incapable of understanding his own role, his 151 00:11:16,515 --> 00:11:21,275 Speaker 1: own provable, despicable role, in the death of more than 152 00:11:21,315 --> 00:11:28,075 Speaker 1: three thousand Americans and what followed worldwide. Nearly all of 153 00:11:28,155 --> 00:11:31,195 Speaker 1: the rest of the three hour interview with the nine 154 00:11:31,195 --> 00:11:34,755 Speaker 1: eleven Commission with Bush and Cheney is devoted to or 155 00:11:34,875 --> 00:11:39,835 Speaker 1: wasted on the specifics of exactly when Bush authorized the 156 00:11:39,835 --> 00:11:42,795 Speaker 1: military to shoot down any aircraft in the sky on 157 00:11:42,915 --> 00:11:46,235 Speaker 1: nine eleven, even a domestic American airliner, and about whether 158 00:11:46,315 --> 00:11:48,915 Speaker 1: or not they thought Flight three had been shot down 159 00:11:48,995 --> 00:11:51,315 Speaker 1: in that way, and about the chain of command, and 160 00:11:51,395 --> 00:11:54,795 Speaker 1: about the disconnects between the intelligence agencies, and about Bush 161 00:11:54,835 --> 00:11:58,075 Speaker 1: asking within hours if Sodom, Hussein and Iraq had done this, 162 00:11:58,595 --> 00:12:03,795 Speaker 1: and about such inane exchanges as quote, Vice Chair Hamilton's 163 00:12:03,835 --> 00:12:06,395 Speaker 1: asked how they thought they could make the country less 164 00:12:06,475 --> 00:12:10,435 Speaker 1: vulnerable to attack, The President said, they were trying to 165 00:12:10,555 --> 00:12:14,115 Speaker 1: kill a lot of the enemy. They are killers. We 166 00:12:14,195 --> 00:12:22,595 Speaker 1: had to kill them before they kill us unquote. George 167 00:12:22,595 --> 00:12:25,355 Speaker 1: Bush's reputation has been improved these last seven years, but 168 00:12:25,395 --> 00:12:27,835 Speaker 1: only because the next Republican president turned out to have 169 00:12:27,835 --> 00:12:30,275 Speaker 1: begun his own organized crime outlet in the White House 170 00:12:30,475 --> 00:12:32,795 Speaker 1: and then tried to overthrow an election and start a 171 00:12:32,835 --> 00:12:39,035 Speaker 1: civil war. George Bush definitionally cannot be the worst president ever. 172 00:12:39,715 --> 00:12:44,715 Speaker 1: But this declassified document, this memorandum about this interview with 173 00:12:44,755 --> 00:12:49,475 Speaker 1: the nine eleven Commission, so ignored, so underplayed, proves that 174 00:12:49,515 --> 00:12:56,555 Speaker 1: if Bush is only the second worst president ever, it's close. Finally, 175 00:12:56,675 --> 00:13:01,275 Speaker 1: and sadly, April two thousand four, the nine eleven Commission, 176 00:13:01,315 --> 00:13:03,595 Speaker 1: in it's three hours with Bush and Cheney in the 177 00:13:03,595 --> 00:13:07,715 Speaker 1: Oval Office, didn't asked George Bush about the reporting by 178 00:13:07,755 --> 00:13:13,595 Speaker 1: author Ron Suskind that Bush raced through the President's Daily 179 00:13:13,635 --> 00:13:17,715 Speaker 1: Briefing of August six one, the one that invoked suspicious 180 00:13:17,795 --> 00:13:22,435 Speaker 1: preparations for hijackings, hijacking a US aircraft, and other attacks. 181 00:13:22,915 --> 00:13:25,875 Speaker 1: He raced through it because he was at his ranch 182 00:13:26,075 --> 00:13:28,995 Speaker 1: in Crawford, Texas, and as soon as they were done, 183 00:13:29,835 --> 00:13:34,195 Speaker 1: he was going fishing. They did not ask Bush about 184 00:13:34,195 --> 00:13:37,355 Speaker 1: the claim that he listened to the CIA briefer, and 185 00:13:37,395 --> 00:13:39,875 Speaker 1: when the briefing was finished, Bush said to him, quote, 186 00:13:40,315 --> 00:13:46,635 Speaker 1: all right, you've covered your ass now. That is what 187 00:13:46,715 --> 00:13:50,035 Speaker 1: George Bush tried to do on April two thousand four 188 00:13:50,235 --> 00:13:53,275 Speaker 1: when he met with the nine eleven Commissioners. We know 189 00:13:53,395 --> 00:14:00,515 Speaker 1: this from the document just declassified cover his own ass 190 00:14:02,475 --> 00:14:07,715 Speaker 1: over the graves of more than three thousand Americans. For 191 00:14:07,835 --> 00:14:10,475 Speaker 1: more than twenty years, George Bush has largely succeeded in 192 00:14:10,555 --> 00:14:17,835 Speaker 1: covering his ass. This document may in fact remain ignored now, tomorrow, 193 00:14:18,475 --> 00:14:23,075 Speaker 1: next year, throughout our time, even in the immediate times 194 00:14:23,115 --> 00:14:27,195 Speaker 1: to come. But someday, in the fullness of history, the 195 00:14:27,275 --> 00:14:34,195 Speaker 1: reality will not be questioned. Osama bin Laden attacked America. 196 00:14:35,115 --> 00:14:40,035 Speaker 1: No one else but George W. Bush made sure America 197 00:14:41,955 --> 00:15:03,835 Speaker 1: was unprepared. No one else damn him to hell still 198 00:15:03,875 --> 00:15:07,635 Speaker 1: ahead because have learned nothing. This fascist Kevin McCarthy now 199 00:15:07,675 --> 00:15:11,715 Speaker 1: promises an investigation of the January six committees investigation of 200 00:15:11,755 --> 00:15:15,755 Speaker 1: Trump's coup attempt, provided McCarthy can get himself elected speaker, 201 00:15:15,795 --> 00:15:19,995 Speaker 1: which is at best right now. Dicey, So Elon Musk 202 00:15:20,075 --> 00:15:22,315 Speaker 1: was lying about Apple threatening to pull Twitter off the 203 00:15:22,355 --> 00:15:26,035 Speaker 1: app store, and lying about Apple suspending virtually all advertising 204 00:15:26,115 --> 00:15:29,275 Speaker 1: on Twitter. What does that make Elon Musk a liar? 205 00:15:30,595 --> 00:15:33,915 Speaker 1: And much needed humorous relief in things I promised not 206 00:15:33,995 --> 00:15:38,635 Speaker 1: to tell. On my way to interview Mickey Mantle, I 207 00:15:38,715 --> 00:15:42,475 Speaker 1: was stopped by an older couple so elegantly dressed that 208 00:15:42,555 --> 00:15:46,915 Speaker 1: he was wearing a cape. I swear I heard his 209 00:15:46,955 --> 00:15:50,355 Speaker 1: wife say the family name was Carlton, that is not 210 00:15:50,555 --> 00:15:54,195 Speaker 1: what she said. It is quite the story. That's next. 211 00:15:54,235 --> 00:16:11,315 Speaker 1: This is Countdown. This is Countdown with Keith Albo. Thank 212 00:16:11,395 --> 00:16:18,035 Speaker 1: you Larry David David Larry doing his impression of the 213 00:16:18,035 --> 00:16:20,635 Speaker 1: public address announcer at Yankee Stadium for all those years. 214 00:16:20,675 --> 00:16:23,635 Speaker 1: Bob shephard the relevance of that to a story in 215 00:16:23,635 --> 00:16:26,515 Speaker 1: the sports segment, and then it is central to things 216 00:16:26,595 --> 00:16:29,035 Speaker 1: I promised not to tell. Also coming up on Countdown, 217 00:16:29,195 --> 00:16:31,555 Speaker 1: a man in Tulsa now knows better than anybody in 218 00:16:31,595 --> 00:16:37,035 Speaker 1: the world, never drink and play monopoly. Where's person's ahead first? 219 00:16:37,035 --> 00:16:39,035 Speaker 1: In each edition of Countdown, we feature a dog in 220 00:16:39,035 --> 00:16:41,835 Speaker 1: need you can help. Every dog has its day. I'm 221 00:16:41,875 --> 00:16:44,275 Speaker 1: sorry to report to you that the dog we mentioned yesterday, 222 00:16:44,275 --> 00:16:46,755 Speaker 1: meat Ball, who had been starved in Staten Island, New York, 223 00:16:47,235 --> 00:16:50,355 Speaker 1: did not make it. We try again in Baldwin Park 224 00:16:50,355 --> 00:16:54,475 Speaker 1: in southern California. Lucky. Please never name an animal Lucky. 225 00:16:54,915 --> 00:16:57,635 Speaker 1: He's a seventy pound black and tent German shepherd adopted 226 00:16:57,675 --> 00:17:00,475 Speaker 1: from the high kill shelter there and only when they 227 00:17:00,515 --> 00:17:03,755 Speaker 1: got him home did they think about this. He didn't 228 00:17:03,755 --> 00:17:06,315 Speaker 1: get along with their at so Lucky is back in 229 00:17:06,395 --> 00:17:09,355 Speaker 1: the pound and on the immediate kill list. He needs 230 00:17:09,395 --> 00:17:12,475 Speaker 1: a foster or adopter or pledges to help a rescue 231 00:17:12,475 --> 00:17:14,435 Speaker 1: get him out of there, and time is running out. 232 00:17:14,835 --> 00:17:17,475 Speaker 1: Look for Lucky on my Twitter feed, where your retweet 233 00:17:17,795 --> 00:17:20,915 Speaker 1: can do as much as a pledge could. I thank 234 00:17:20,915 --> 00:17:32,275 Speaker 1: you and Lucky thanks you. Post Scripts to the news, 235 00:17:32,315 --> 00:17:36,115 Speaker 1: some headlines, some updates, some snarks, some predictions. State Line, Washington, 236 00:17:36,235 --> 00:17:40,715 Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy already billing himself as Speaker elect, even as 237 00:17:40,715 --> 00:17:42,995 Speaker 1: Republican House members say they have enough votes to keep 238 00:17:43,075 --> 00:17:46,475 Speaker 1: him from being elected. Speaker has advised the House's own 239 00:17:46,595 --> 00:17:50,075 Speaker 1: January six committee to preserve all its records and transcripts. 240 00:17:50,555 --> 00:17:54,515 Speaker 1: In short, he wants to hold hearings and investigate the investigation. 241 00:17:55,355 --> 00:17:57,955 Speaker 1: What Kevin didn't know is that the committee had already 242 00:17:57,995 --> 00:18:01,955 Speaker 1: planned to publicly release all its transcripts and most of 243 00:18:01,995 --> 00:18:04,955 Speaker 1: its records and documents. The committee has also coming out 244 00:18:04,995 --> 00:18:08,395 Speaker 1: with its eight chapter reports shortly. Chairman Benny Thompson says 245 00:18:08,435 --> 00:18:10,675 Speaker 1: the body of the report is complete and it should 246 00:18:10,675 --> 00:18:16,595 Speaker 1: be available by Christmas. Dateline Kiev Innovation. The BBC Reporting 247 00:18:16,715 --> 00:18:20,635 Speaker 1: Ukraine has established a hotline and a website for invading 248 00:18:20,715 --> 00:18:25,395 Speaker 1: Russian soldiers who want to surrender. The Ukrainians say they're 249 00:18:25,395 --> 00:18:28,075 Speaker 1: getting up to a hundred inquiries a day, thirty five 250 00:18:28,155 --> 00:18:30,995 Speaker 1: hundred since they put this thing online at September. They 251 00:18:30,995 --> 00:18:33,155 Speaker 1: ain't kidding around. The name of the hot line is 252 00:18:33,515 --> 00:18:37,315 Speaker 1: I want to live? No segue into this last one 253 00:18:37,395 --> 00:18:41,275 Speaker 1: date line CNN hundreds of layoffs coming there despite annual 254 00:18:41,315 --> 00:18:44,435 Speaker 1: profits in the hundreds of millions of dollars. Also, this 255 00:18:44,515 --> 00:18:48,155 Speaker 1: is after new CNN Worldwide chairman and Grim reaper Chris 256 00:18:48,235 --> 00:18:51,515 Speaker 1: Licked promised there would be no layoffs that I ever 257 00:18:51,555 --> 00:18:53,915 Speaker 1: mentioned that. When we worked together at MSNBC, a lot 258 00:18:53,955 --> 00:18:57,155 Speaker 1: of us thought Chris used to eat paste. In a 259 00:18:57,195 --> 00:18:59,835 Speaker 1: memo to staff, Chris Licked indicated a lot of those 260 00:18:59,835 --> 00:19:04,635 Speaker 1: fired would be paid contributors, and closed by saying, let's 261 00:19:04,795 --> 00:19:08,195 Speaker 1: take care of each other this week. Well, hell, Chris 262 00:19:08,755 --> 00:19:10,435 Speaker 1: looks to me like you just took care of a 263 00:19:10,475 --> 00:19:28,435 Speaker 1: couple of hundred of them this week. This is Sports Center. Wait, 264 00:19:28,595 --> 00:19:36,555 Speaker 1: check that not anymore. This is Countdown with Keith in 265 00:19:36,875 --> 00:19:42,155 Speaker 1: Sports How is Pelee? ESPN Brazil reported yesterday that the 266 00:19:42,155 --> 00:19:46,355 Speaker 1: Soccer Immortal had been hospitalized with body wide swelling and 267 00:19:46,475 --> 00:19:49,915 Speaker 1: confusion amid cancer treatments and in the middle of the 268 00:19:49,955 --> 00:19:54,635 Speaker 1: World Cup. No less, his daughter says, No. Two quote 269 00:19:54,675 --> 00:19:58,595 Speaker 1: is in the hospital regulating medication. There is no emergency 270 00:19:58,715 --> 00:20:02,955 Speaker 1: or new dire prediction baseball. On Sunday, Don Mattingly will 271 00:20:02,995 --> 00:20:05,155 Speaker 1: be one of eight players voted up on by a 272 00:20:05,235 --> 00:20:08,555 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame committee. The great Yankee first baseman and 273 00:20:08,675 --> 00:20:12,395 Speaker 1: former Dodgers and Marlin's manager will be judged as the 274 00:20:12,435 --> 00:20:14,555 Speaker 1: new bench coach of the Toronto Blue Jays. He was 275 00:20:14,635 --> 00:20:17,915 Speaker 1: hired yesterday to assist their manager, John Schneider, who grew 276 00:20:17,955 --> 00:20:21,195 Speaker 1: up in New Jersey as a big fan of Don Manningly. 277 00:20:21,955 --> 00:20:24,715 Speaker 1: I have known Don Mattingley for just under forty years, 278 00:20:24,755 --> 00:20:27,075 Speaker 1: and I have a dozen stories about him, but one 279 00:20:27,115 --> 00:20:30,875 Speaker 1: above all others remains my favorite. For a decade, I 280 00:20:30,915 --> 00:20:34,715 Speaker 1: assisted Bob Wolfe on the in stadium public address play 281 00:20:34,755 --> 00:20:38,355 Speaker 1: by play of the Yankees annual Old Timers Days. I 282 00:20:38,435 --> 00:20:41,795 Speaker 1: handled facts about the players and personal stuff. In two 283 00:20:41,835 --> 00:20:44,755 Speaker 1: thousand four or five six, somewhere in there, we had 284 00:20:44,755 --> 00:20:48,635 Speaker 1: a visual aid for the Great Yankees Picture of the sixties, 285 00:20:48,635 --> 00:20:51,435 Speaker 1: then their pitching coach, the late Mel Stottlemeyer. It was 286 00:20:51,475 --> 00:20:55,555 Speaker 1: a photo of Mel having just caught a record breaking fish. 287 00:20:55,635 --> 00:20:57,595 Speaker 1: I mean the fish was as big as he was, 288 00:20:58,155 --> 00:21:00,395 Speaker 1: so I gave the details while everybody looked at the 289 00:21:00,435 --> 00:21:02,675 Speaker 1: scoreboard in this picture of Mel and this fish, and 290 00:21:02,715 --> 00:21:06,035 Speaker 1: I added, by the way, that's Mel on the right. 291 00:21:06,955 --> 00:21:09,675 Speaker 1: The old Timers game ended, and the Yankees, including coaches 292 00:21:09,715 --> 00:21:13,075 Speaker 1: Mattingly and Stattlemeyer, got ready for the real game. Except first, 293 00:21:13,355 --> 00:21:16,235 Speaker 1: Mattingly ran over to me and said, oh my god, 294 00:21:16,315 --> 00:21:19,555 Speaker 1: did you say that. I'm still laughing. That's Mel on 295 00:21:19,595 --> 00:21:22,795 Speaker 1: the right. I've already said it to him three times. Hey, Mel, 296 00:21:22,915 --> 00:21:26,155 Speaker 1: that's you on the right. Every time I saw Don 297 00:21:26,155 --> 00:21:28,435 Speaker 1: Mattingly at Yankee Stadium until he left to go work 298 00:21:28,475 --> 00:21:30,995 Speaker 1: for the Dodgers, he would not say hello. He just 299 00:21:31,035 --> 00:21:33,355 Speaker 1: stick out ahead and say that's Mel on the right. 300 00:21:34,195 --> 00:21:36,195 Speaker 1: The last time I saw Mattingly must have been two 301 00:21:36,195 --> 00:21:38,515 Speaker 1: thousand nineteen, when he came in here with the Marlins. 302 00:21:38,515 --> 00:21:40,795 Speaker 1: And sure enough, I walk out to the dugout where 303 00:21:40,795 --> 00:21:44,035 Speaker 1: Mattingly is being interviewed by reporters and he stops talking 304 00:21:44,035 --> 00:21:47,315 Speaker 1: to them and looks at me and shouts, Keith, that's 305 00:21:47,395 --> 00:21:51,075 Speaker 1: Mel on the right. And somebody said to me, what 306 00:21:51,235 --> 00:21:53,755 Speaker 1: is that all about? And I said, Donny, you explained 307 00:21:53,755 --> 00:22:02,555 Speaker 1: it to them ahead so she says to me, she's 308 00:22:02,555 --> 00:22:05,035 Speaker 1: a big fan of my sports cast, and her name 309 00:22:05,075 --> 00:22:10,275 Speaker 1: is Patricia Carleton. And her husband says that he's Joseph Carlton. 310 00:22:11,155 --> 00:22:13,995 Speaker 1: And I keep thinking to myself, boy, aren't they nice? 311 00:22:14,035 --> 00:22:19,115 Speaker 1: But who is Joseph Carleton? And why does Joseph Carlton 312 00:22:19,795 --> 00:22:24,435 Speaker 1: look so familiar? Has happened to me? In I'll tell 313 00:22:24,475 --> 00:22:26,875 Speaker 1: you the story? Coming up first, the daily roundup of 314 00:22:26,875 --> 00:22:30,475 Speaker 1: the miscrants, morons, and Dunning Krueger effect specimens who constitute 315 00:22:30,515 --> 00:22:37,075 Speaker 1: today's worst persons in the world. The Bronze John Armstrong 316 00:22:37,155 --> 00:22:40,715 Speaker 1: of Tulsa, Oklahoma arrested after a family gathering Saturday went 317 00:22:40,795 --> 00:22:44,755 Speaker 1: kind of off the rails. Furniture was turned over, Armstrong 318 00:22:44,875 --> 00:22:48,075 Speaker 1: somehow got cut on the head. He then chased his 319 00:22:48,115 --> 00:22:51,755 Speaker 1: stepfather and step sister down the street, allegedly brandishing a gun. 320 00:22:52,635 --> 00:22:58,035 Speaker 1: What unleashed this domestic nightmare on a Thanksgiving weekend in Tulsa? 321 00:22:58,915 --> 00:23:03,835 Speaker 1: The family was drinking and playing Monopoly. And when you 322 00:23:03,875 --> 00:23:06,675 Speaker 1: get arrested a violent game of Monopoly, you know that 323 00:23:06,715 --> 00:23:09,955 Speaker 1: phrase get out of jail free card that takes on 324 00:23:10,035 --> 00:23:14,275 Speaker 1: an entirely different meaning. The runners up the new news 325 00:23:14,275 --> 00:23:18,755 Speaker 1: outlets Semaphore. Maybe news is the wrong word here, Maybe 326 00:23:18,755 --> 00:23:22,075 Speaker 1: I mean the new stenography outlet Semaphore. It actually ran 327 00:23:22,115 --> 00:23:25,475 Speaker 1: a story yesterday reading quote Mari Lago is ramping up 328 00:23:25,475 --> 00:23:28,795 Speaker 1: its screening after white supremacist Nick Fuentes was allowed into 329 00:23:28,795 --> 00:23:32,235 Speaker 1: the venue to dine with Trump. A source familiar with 330 00:23:32,275 --> 00:23:36,155 Speaker 1: the discussions confirmed that additional processes are being considered to 331 00:23:36,235 --> 00:23:38,915 Speaker 1: ensure individuals who are scheduled to meet the president are 332 00:23:38,995 --> 00:23:44,035 Speaker 1: fully vetted, because it's not possible that Trump actually meant 333 00:23:44,115 --> 00:23:48,115 Speaker 1: to dine with yet another white supremacist and anti Semite right. 334 00:23:49,475 --> 00:23:53,795 Speaker 1: Speaking of which, our winner Elon Musk. Remember Monday when 335 00:23:53,835 --> 00:23:58,075 Speaker 1: Musk said the future of freedom and non tyranny depended 336 00:23:58,155 --> 00:24:02,795 Speaker 1: on Apple not cutting off advertising on Twitter, and that 337 00:24:02,915 --> 00:24:05,195 Speaker 1: Apple had also threatened to drop Twitter from the app 338 00:24:05,275 --> 00:24:09,075 Speaker 1: store without telling him why they did that, and that 339 00:24:09,195 --> 00:24:12,555 Speaker 1: led first Kevin McCarthy to say, stop picking on Elon Musk, 340 00:24:12,955 --> 00:24:14,915 Speaker 1: and then Rohn de Santis to say, if they didn't 341 00:24:14,995 --> 00:24:17,835 Speaker 1: dry indeed drop the app, that Congress should respond and 342 00:24:17,915 --> 00:24:23,355 Speaker 1: investigate Apple or something. It was all crap. Gizmoto reports 343 00:24:23,355 --> 00:24:26,275 Speaker 1: that on the day Musk said Apple had mostly stopped 344 00:24:26,315 --> 00:24:30,555 Speaker 1: advertising it spent eighty four thousand dollars on Twitter ads 345 00:24:30,555 --> 00:24:33,915 Speaker 1: just that one day, and it had already crossed more 346 00:24:33,955 --> 00:24:37,195 Speaker 1: than a million dollars in advertising in the first twenty 347 00:24:37,195 --> 00:24:40,275 Speaker 1: eight days of the month of November. Musk has now 348 00:24:40,315 --> 00:24:42,955 Speaker 1: tweeted that that warning about dropping the app, well, that 349 00:24:43,075 --> 00:24:46,275 Speaker 1: was just a misunderstanding. They never threatened to drop the 350 00:24:46,275 --> 00:24:51,395 Speaker 1: app at the app store. By Apple translation, he lied 351 00:24:52,555 --> 00:25:00,355 Speaker 1: elon self, Martyring drama clown Musk two days worse Parson 352 00:25:00,475 --> 00:25:17,395 Speaker 1: and then no on Now to the number one story 353 00:25:17,395 --> 00:25:20,075 Speaker 1: on the countdown and my favorite topic, me and things 354 00:25:20,115 --> 00:25:23,235 Speaker 1: I promised not to tell, and I swear I thought 355 00:25:23,515 --> 00:25:28,675 Speaker 1: I heard her say, Carlton. This was also December in 356 00:25:29,915 --> 00:25:32,715 Speaker 1: Los Angeles, and if you've never spent Christmas in a 357 00:25:32,755 --> 00:25:35,715 Speaker 1: warm metropolitan area for the first time in your life, 358 00:25:35,915 --> 00:25:40,075 Speaker 1: you do not know what disorientation really is. I had 359 00:25:40,115 --> 00:25:42,475 Speaker 1: just completed three months in my new job as the 360 00:25:42,515 --> 00:25:45,115 Speaker 1: sports director of Channel five in l A. I had 361 00:25:45,155 --> 00:25:48,115 Speaker 1: spent most of November adjusting not only to it not 362 00:25:48,195 --> 00:25:51,675 Speaker 1: getting cold, but to the fact that almost nobody else 363 00:25:51,715 --> 00:25:54,115 Speaker 1: noticed that it was not getting cold, except one of 364 00:25:54,115 --> 00:25:57,275 Speaker 1: our production assistants who sprinted through the parking lot and 365 00:25:57,435 --> 00:25:59,555 Speaker 1: up the stairs into the little bungalow on the k 366 00:25:59,715 --> 00:26:02,795 Speaker 1: T l A lot in Hollywood. Then how's our sports department? 367 00:26:03,275 --> 00:26:06,035 Speaker 1: He shivered like a dog, making himself awake, and announced, 368 00:26:06,315 --> 00:26:09,835 Speaker 1: My god, it's bitter out there. Better I checked it 369 00:26:09,875 --> 00:26:16,195 Speaker 1: was forty nine degrees. So December was already weird enough. 370 00:26:16,675 --> 00:26:19,355 Speaker 1: I was doing well in l A. Being three thousand 371 00:26:19,355 --> 00:26:21,435 Speaker 1: miles away from everyone and everything I knew had been 372 00:26:21,475 --> 00:26:24,595 Speaker 1: surprisingly helpful, and there was no ramp up time from 373 00:26:24,595 --> 00:26:27,315 Speaker 1: my work. I'd already won a couple of best Sportscaster awards, 374 00:26:27,635 --> 00:26:30,035 Speaker 1: and then the top all news radio station was asking 375 00:26:30,035 --> 00:26:32,795 Speaker 1: me to come over every afternoon and split the afternoon 376 00:26:32,875 --> 00:26:35,635 Speaker 1: drive sportscasting shift with a guy who'd been on the 377 00:26:35,635 --> 00:26:39,075 Speaker 1: air there literally for thirty years, who's one of the 378 00:26:39,155 --> 00:26:42,875 Speaker 1: voices in the background and The Godfather Part two And 379 00:26:42,995 --> 00:26:47,155 Speaker 1: now somehow, my producer, Ron Grelnick, and I were headed 380 00:26:47,195 --> 00:26:51,395 Speaker 1: to the Beverly Wilshire Hotel to go interview Mickey Mantle. 381 00:26:52,315 --> 00:26:55,115 Speaker 1: For the average l A sportscaster, there really wasn't much 382 00:26:55,155 --> 00:26:57,955 Speaker 1: reason to interview Mickey Mantle, which is why all of 383 00:26:57,995 --> 00:27:01,435 Speaker 1: them at the bigger three network stations had turned down 384 00:27:01,475 --> 00:27:04,315 Speaker 1: the offer of a sit down interview. But I was 385 00:27:04,435 --> 00:27:07,155 Speaker 1: a New Yorker and had been three months earlier, and 386 00:27:07,275 --> 00:27:10,475 Speaker 1: thus Mickey Mantle was my idol. And moreover, when I 387 00:27:10,515 --> 00:27:13,555 Speaker 1: became a baseball fan in nineteen sixty seven, my folks 388 00:27:13,875 --> 00:27:18,355 Speaker 1: bought tickets specifically behind first base at Yankee Stadium because 389 00:27:18,395 --> 00:27:21,115 Speaker 1: they had just moved Mantle there from the outfield. And 390 00:27:21,155 --> 00:27:23,715 Speaker 1: as my dad said, when you are an old man, 391 00:27:24,155 --> 00:27:26,275 Speaker 1: you will say the greatest thing you ever saw in 392 00:27:26,355 --> 00:27:29,835 Speaker 1: baseball was Mickey Mantle, so you might as well see 393 00:27:29,875 --> 00:27:32,235 Speaker 1: as much of him as you can. Well, I'm an 394 00:27:32,275 --> 00:27:36,235 Speaker 1: old man now, and my dad was exactly right. Mantle 395 00:27:36,355 --> 00:27:39,075 Speaker 1: was on a tour publicizing some kind of hitting video, 396 00:27:39,155 --> 00:27:41,635 Speaker 1: and he would do one exclusive interview with an l 397 00:27:41,675 --> 00:27:44,475 Speaker 1: A station at like exactly five pm on that night 398 00:27:44,555 --> 00:27:48,155 Speaker 1: in December, and to get it you had to agree 399 00:27:48,235 --> 00:27:51,155 Speaker 1: to give the video exactly one plug and ask him 400 00:27:51,235 --> 00:27:54,435 Speaker 1: one question about it. But otherwise you could ask whatever 401 00:27:54,475 --> 00:27:57,715 Speaker 1: you wanted. Had fifteen minutes then he was going out 402 00:27:58,235 --> 00:28:03,475 Speaker 1: to dinner. Yeah, yeah, that was it. Dinner. So Ron 403 00:28:03,475 --> 00:28:05,235 Speaker 1: and I pulled up to the Beverly will Share in 404 00:28:05,315 --> 00:28:07,595 Speaker 1: his car, and I had never been in, but I 405 00:28:07,635 --> 00:28:09,955 Speaker 1: had walked past it a dozen times, and I knew 406 00:28:09,955 --> 00:28:11,955 Speaker 1: there was a new wing and an old wing, and 407 00:28:11,955 --> 00:28:14,355 Speaker 1: his ron tried to park. I tried to find the 408 00:28:14,395 --> 00:28:16,715 Speaker 1: room where Mantel would be waiting for us, so I 409 00:28:16,715 --> 00:28:19,155 Speaker 1: could be there to meet the camera crew that was 410 00:28:19,235 --> 00:28:22,515 Speaker 1: joining us from some other shoot somewhere, and also because 411 00:28:22,515 --> 00:28:25,355 Speaker 1: he was Mickey Mantle. I had met him before, I 412 00:28:25,395 --> 00:28:28,155 Speaker 1: had even interviewed him briefly for CNN, but nothing like this, 413 00:28:28,315 --> 00:28:32,395 Speaker 1: nothing like a sit down interview, just me and him. 414 00:28:32,435 --> 00:28:38,755 Speaker 1: The room number was something like could have been five, 415 00:28:38,835 --> 00:28:41,075 Speaker 1: could have been twelve seven, but it was basically the 416 00:28:41,155 --> 00:28:44,795 Speaker 1: highest number there could be on a given hotel floor. 417 00:28:45,995 --> 00:28:48,395 Speaker 1: And I saw the elevator just past the registration desk, 418 00:28:48,435 --> 00:28:50,155 Speaker 1: and up. I went to the eighth floor, and it 419 00:28:50,235 --> 00:28:54,315 Speaker 1: was a deserted labyrinth, turn after turn and nobody there. 420 00:28:54,355 --> 00:28:56,955 Speaker 1: And then suddenly I turned a corner, and walking towards 421 00:28:56,955 --> 00:29:01,475 Speaker 1: me was the most elegantly dressed older couple I had 422 00:29:01,515 --> 00:29:06,035 Speaker 1: ever seen to that point or since. She was wearing 423 00:29:06,955 --> 00:29:11,635 Speaker 1: a mink stole on top of beautiful gown, and she 424 00:29:11,715 --> 00:29:15,355 Speaker 1: had a diamond necklace big enough to induce cramps. She 425 00:29:15,435 --> 00:29:19,635 Speaker 1: had a piercing, glistening set of deep brown eyes. She 426 00:29:19,715 --> 00:29:22,155 Speaker 1: looked to be in her mid to late fifties, but 427 00:29:22,435 --> 00:29:26,875 Speaker 1: might have been older. He was older, maybe eighty, but 428 00:29:26,955 --> 00:29:29,795 Speaker 1: with a full head of thick and wiry hair. He 429 00:29:29,875 --> 00:29:34,235 Speaker 1: was tall, thin, extraordinarily elegant in a perfect tuxedo. But 430 00:29:34,355 --> 00:29:37,595 Speaker 1: all of this was overwhelmed, almost erased, by one fact 431 00:29:37,795 --> 00:29:42,755 Speaker 1: that startles me still thirty seven years later. This man 432 00:29:43,635 --> 00:29:49,835 Speaker 1: was wearing a cape. I'm pretty confident that I had 433 00:29:49,875 --> 00:29:52,795 Speaker 1: never seen a man wearing a cape before. I know, 434 00:29:52,915 --> 00:29:56,155 Speaker 1: I have not seen one since I have been looking. 435 00:29:56,715 --> 00:29:59,395 Speaker 1: And yet it looked so good on him that I 436 00:29:59,435 --> 00:30:03,515 Speaker 1: can recall briefly thinking, Keith, maybe you should buy a cape. 437 00:30:04,835 --> 00:30:08,635 Speaker 1: This couple was perfect. We seem to be the only 438 00:30:08,675 --> 00:30:11,595 Speaker 1: people on the floor. The hallway wasn't all that wide. 439 00:30:11,595 --> 00:30:13,995 Speaker 1: I said good evening as I passed. She said good evening, 440 00:30:14,275 --> 00:30:16,635 Speaker 1: and in so doing revealed a British accent, and he 441 00:30:16,755 --> 00:30:21,035 Speaker 1: mumbled and revealed what sounded like the lingering minor aftermaths 442 00:30:21,075 --> 00:30:24,955 Speaker 1: of a minor stroke. They walked their way, I walked mine, 443 00:30:25,475 --> 00:30:28,515 Speaker 1: and my focus returned to finding Mickey Mantle in room 444 00:30:28,715 --> 00:30:32,715 Speaker 1: eight ninety seven. The numbers of the rooms I was 445 00:30:32,755 --> 00:30:35,555 Speaker 1: passing were like eight eleven and eight fourteen, And after 446 00:30:35,555 --> 00:30:37,795 Speaker 1: a few more turns of the labyrinth, that dawned on 447 00:30:37,915 --> 00:30:40,555 Speaker 1: me that I must be in the old wing of 448 00:30:40,595 --> 00:30:43,595 Speaker 1: the Beverly Wilshire, and the high numbers like eight ninety 449 00:30:43,675 --> 00:30:45,315 Speaker 1: seven must have been in the new wing of the 450 00:30:45,315 --> 00:30:47,995 Speaker 1: Beverly will Shirre. I also noticed that I had not 451 00:30:48,075 --> 00:30:50,915 Speaker 1: passed a doorway or a vestibule or some kind of 452 00:30:50,915 --> 00:30:54,075 Speaker 1: connecting bridge to the new wing, so I had better 453 00:30:54,115 --> 00:30:56,275 Speaker 1: make it back to the elevator and the lobby before 454 00:30:56,355 --> 00:30:58,875 Speaker 1: Ron or the camera crew made the same mistake I had. 455 00:30:59,355 --> 00:31:04,475 Speaker 1: Because Mickey Mantle was waiting, I reversed course. I began 456 00:31:04,515 --> 00:31:08,395 Speaker 1: to trot. After three or four more of these labyrinthine turns, 457 00:31:08,635 --> 00:31:12,195 Speaker 1: I found, to my shock that the perfectly elegant older 458 00:31:12,235 --> 00:31:16,995 Speaker 1: couple he was wearing a cape, was standing exactly where 459 00:31:17,035 --> 00:31:20,995 Speaker 1: I had left them. She laughed, she mentioned something about 460 00:31:21,035 --> 00:31:23,075 Speaker 1: the higher numbers being in the new wing, and everybody 461 00:31:23,075 --> 00:31:25,355 Speaker 1: made that mistake. I thanked her, and then she said, 462 00:31:26,035 --> 00:31:28,475 Speaker 1: you're the young man who does the spots on the television, 463 00:31:28,475 --> 00:31:32,355 Speaker 1: aren't you. And I had gotten pretty popular pretty fast there, 464 00:31:32,395 --> 00:31:35,435 Speaker 1: but being recognized was still very surprising, and pleasantly so 465 00:31:35,515 --> 00:31:38,275 Speaker 1: and I said that, and I introduced myself. So nice 466 00:31:38,315 --> 00:31:41,675 Speaker 1: to meet you. She said, I'm Patricia Carlton, and this 467 00:31:41,995 --> 00:31:44,995 Speaker 1: she pointed to the guy in the cape is my husband. 468 00:31:45,595 --> 00:31:49,355 Speaker 1: He slowly extended a hand but shook mine vigorously, and 469 00:31:49,435 --> 00:31:54,835 Speaker 1: I'm Joseph Carlton. Mrs Carlton was very excited. You know, 470 00:31:54,915 --> 00:31:57,235 Speaker 1: Joe and I we really are not fans of the sports, 471 00:31:57,795 --> 00:31:59,635 Speaker 1: but whenever we were at Helm in Palm Springs, we 472 00:31:59,675 --> 00:32:01,235 Speaker 1: make sure we stay up until the end of the 473 00:32:01,235 --> 00:32:04,955 Speaker 1: ten o'clock news so we could watch you. Joe added 474 00:32:05,035 --> 00:32:08,275 Speaker 1: and smiled. In the cape, you know, so clearly enjoying 475 00:32:08,275 --> 00:32:10,675 Speaker 1: yourself that we find ourselves enjoying it too. That's really 476 00:32:10,715 --> 00:32:15,195 Speaker 1: quite remarkable. I was genuinely touched and remain so I 477 00:32:15,235 --> 00:32:18,355 Speaker 1: explained my dilemma. I treated them as you were supposed 478 00:32:18,395 --> 00:32:20,875 Speaker 1: to treat viewers, gratefully and solicitously, and I asked them 479 00:32:20,875 --> 00:32:22,515 Speaker 1: if they were going to the lobby, and if I 480 00:32:22,595 --> 00:32:25,115 Speaker 1: might walk with them, so I didn't get any further lost. 481 00:32:25,835 --> 00:32:29,235 Speaker 1: We'd be delighted. I must ask you, Mr Fishman, who 482 00:32:29,275 --> 00:32:32,595 Speaker 1: does the news on your program? Is that his real hair? 483 00:32:33,755 --> 00:32:36,875 Speaker 1: She saw my shock at the question. Joe and I 484 00:32:36,915 --> 00:32:39,835 Speaker 1: have often worn wigs, and we can't be certain. That 485 00:32:39,915 --> 00:32:41,595 Speaker 1: means if it is a wig, it's a good one. 486 00:32:43,835 --> 00:32:46,955 Speaker 1: We reached the elevator bank and I pushed down. He 487 00:32:47,035 --> 00:32:50,195 Speaker 1: was walking slowly. He must have had a stroke. Still, 488 00:32:50,235 --> 00:32:52,315 Speaker 1: he was an imposing figure of a man, and not 489 00:32:52,475 --> 00:32:56,275 Speaker 1: just because he was wearing a cape. As I steered 490 00:32:56,275 --> 00:32:58,955 Speaker 1: them away from the subject of our anchorman's to pay 491 00:32:58,995 --> 00:33:01,875 Speaker 1: and talked instead about my Mickey Mantle interview, I realized 492 00:33:01,915 --> 00:33:08,995 Speaker 1: he looked extremely familiar, like I knew him. Joseph Carlton 493 00:33:09,635 --> 00:33:13,475 Speaker 1: kept rolling the name over in my mind. And Patricia Carlton, 494 00:33:14,875 --> 00:33:18,475 Speaker 1: who are they? The elevator light went off in a 495 00:33:18,555 --> 00:33:21,515 Speaker 1: very loud bell sounded. The doors opened, and there was 496 00:33:21,555 --> 00:33:24,755 Speaker 1: my producer, Ron and the two man camera crew and 497 00:33:24,835 --> 00:33:27,195 Speaker 1: the reporter who had been with them on the previous story, 498 00:33:27,515 --> 00:33:30,315 Speaker 1: Sam chew Lynn, who had stayed with him because he 499 00:33:30,355 --> 00:33:33,275 Speaker 1: wanted to meet Mickey Mantle. And as I joked to 500 00:33:33,315 --> 00:33:36,515 Speaker 1: my new friends Joe and Patricia Carlton, oh look, here's 501 00:33:36,515 --> 00:33:40,435 Speaker 1: my camera crew. It's four members made no motion to 502 00:33:40,475 --> 00:33:43,835 Speaker 1: even leave the elevator. They all looked dumb struck. Sam 503 00:33:43,915 --> 00:33:45,915 Speaker 1: chu Lynn's eyes looked like they were about to pop 504 00:33:45,915 --> 00:33:48,035 Speaker 1: out of his head. I assumed this was because my 505 00:33:48,075 --> 00:33:54,195 Speaker 1: new friend Joe was wearing a cape. Finally I got 506 00:33:54,195 --> 00:33:56,315 Speaker 1: the crew to move. I held the door open so 507 00:33:56,435 --> 00:33:59,595 Speaker 1: Joe and Patricia could get into the elevator. I actually said, 508 00:33:59,755 --> 00:34:01,395 Speaker 1: such a pleasure to meet you, and of course, thank 509 00:34:01,435 --> 00:34:03,795 Speaker 1: you so much for watching Channel five News at ten, 510 00:34:04,715 --> 00:34:07,115 Speaker 1: and she smiled warmly, and he managed a quick wave 511 00:34:07,195 --> 00:34:11,435 Speaker 1: and the doors closed. And only at that exact moment 512 00:34:11,955 --> 00:34:16,755 Speaker 1: did it dawn on me where I knew him from. 513 00:34:16,795 --> 00:34:20,115 Speaker 1: The blood now drained from my face as I turned 514 00:34:20,155 --> 00:34:23,995 Speaker 1: to talk to the camera crew and Ron and Sam. Uh, 515 00:34:24,235 --> 00:34:27,915 Speaker 1: you guys knew who those two people were, right, Sam 516 00:34:28,035 --> 00:34:31,995 Speaker 1: laughed at me. Of course I did, didn't you? And 517 00:34:32,115 --> 00:34:34,515 Speaker 1: I sighed, oh my god. She said her name was 518 00:34:34,515 --> 00:34:39,715 Speaker 1: Patricia Carlton and that was her husband, Joseph Carleton, and 519 00:34:39,755 --> 00:34:42,635 Speaker 1: she said it that way because she's British, and that's 520 00:34:42,635 --> 00:34:46,315 Speaker 1: how if you're British you would say the name Cotton. 521 00:34:47,075 --> 00:34:51,835 Speaker 1: She's Patricia Cotton and he's Joseph Cotton, who was in 522 00:34:51,915 --> 00:34:56,355 Speaker 1: Citizen Kane. I remember actually putting my hand on the 523 00:34:56,435 --> 00:34:58,515 Speaker 1: law in my face in my other hand. I just 524 00:34:58,595 --> 00:35:03,075 Speaker 1: met Joseph Cotton, and I didn't recognize him. And the cameraman, 525 00:35:03,195 --> 00:35:05,955 Speaker 1: Martin Clancy, who also often said things like this, said 526 00:35:06,075 --> 00:35:09,755 Speaker 1: pretty stupid of you, huh. And I said, no, you 527 00:35:09,795 --> 00:35:13,035 Speaker 1: have no idea how stupid. I mean, obviously I know 528 00:35:13,075 --> 00:35:17,155 Speaker 1: who Joseph Cotton is. And Sam chu Lynn said, are 529 00:35:17,195 --> 00:35:19,715 Speaker 1: you sure about that? I gave him a dirty look 530 00:35:19,715 --> 00:35:23,915 Speaker 1: and I said no, no, it's worse than this. The 531 00:35:23,955 --> 00:35:28,755 Speaker 1: president of the International Joseph Cotton Fan Club was my mother. 532 00:35:29,475 --> 00:35:32,755 Speaker 1: There is a picture of that man with my mother 533 00:35:33,635 --> 00:35:37,635 Speaker 1: from like thirty seven years ago at the Stork Club. 534 00:35:39,915 --> 00:35:43,595 Speaker 1: They all laughed. Then Sam chu Lynn said, uh, in 535 00:35:43,635 --> 00:35:50,235 Speaker 1: that photo is he wearing that cape? My gaff did 536 00:35:50,275 --> 00:35:52,795 Speaker 1: serve to relax me a little for the interview with Mantel. 537 00:35:54,515 --> 00:35:58,395 Speaker 1: My gaffe. When I get over it, i'll let you know. 538 00:35:59,755 --> 00:36:02,995 Speaker 1: So anyway, we all reached room or whatever it was 539 00:36:03,075 --> 00:36:05,915 Speaker 1: in the new wing of the Beverly Wilshire, and as 540 00:36:05,955 --> 00:36:07,875 Speaker 1: the crew set up, I managed to tell the story 541 00:36:07,875 --> 00:36:10,955 Speaker 1: of the Cottons to Mickey Mantle and he said, yeah, 542 00:36:10,995 --> 00:36:12,875 Speaker 1: I saw them in the lobby a couple of hours ago. 543 00:36:13,035 --> 00:36:15,315 Speaker 1: He's a great actor. I met him in New York. 544 00:36:15,515 --> 00:36:18,795 Speaker 1: Must be thirty years ago, did you say hi? All right? 545 00:36:18,795 --> 00:36:22,115 Speaker 1: You just told me you didn't recognize him. Mickey Mantle 546 00:36:22,195 --> 00:36:25,755 Speaker 1: was busting my chops, as I said. I had met 547 00:36:25,835 --> 00:36:27,915 Speaker 1: him before, even interviewed him before, but this was our 548 00:36:27,955 --> 00:36:30,195 Speaker 1: first sit down, and he was in a good mood, 549 00:36:30,235 --> 00:36:34,155 Speaker 1: even expansive and playful. And at one point he stunned me. 550 00:36:34,795 --> 00:36:36,155 Speaker 1: I said, I know you only have a couple of 551 00:36:36,155 --> 00:36:38,235 Speaker 1: minutes left, so so forgive me if I'm bringing up 552 00:36:38,235 --> 00:36:39,675 Speaker 1: something that takes more than a couple of minutes. And 553 00:36:39,715 --> 00:36:41,835 Speaker 1: he interrupted, and he said, take as much time as 554 00:36:41,875 --> 00:36:45,195 Speaker 1: you need. I'm enjoying us talking. So I asked him 555 00:36:45,195 --> 00:36:48,555 Speaker 1: about this one subject, how he felt about what he 556 00:36:48,635 --> 00:36:52,195 Speaker 1: did in his career, considering how injured he was when 557 00:36:52,195 --> 00:36:54,955 Speaker 1: he retired. Mickey Mantle was third all time in Homer's 558 00:36:55,235 --> 00:36:58,155 Speaker 1: he hit three ten times. He played in twelve World 559 00:36:58,155 --> 00:37:03,675 Speaker 1: Series on one bad knee and one worse knee. Mantel 560 00:37:03,755 --> 00:37:07,635 Speaker 1: got very reflected and self critical. We use this sound 561 00:37:07,635 --> 00:37:10,515 Speaker 1: bite at the end of his obituary that I would 562 00:37:10,515 --> 00:37:13,875 Speaker 1: do for ESPN a decade later. If I had known 563 00:37:13,995 --> 00:37:15,915 Speaker 1: I was going to live so long, he told me, 564 00:37:15,955 --> 00:37:18,515 Speaker 1: I would have taken better care of myself and done better. 565 00:37:19,915 --> 00:37:23,355 Speaker 1: I said, well, he'd done pretty good. I could have 566 00:37:23,555 --> 00:37:28,515 Speaker 1: done better. I thanked him, and as the cameraman moved 567 00:37:28,555 --> 00:37:30,395 Speaker 1: to get the shots of me nodding and repeating a 568 00:37:30,515 --> 00:37:33,995 Speaker 1: question or two, Mickey Mantels said that was really good. 569 00:37:34,555 --> 00:37:39,155 Speaker 1: I flushed. I gotta ask you something. Can you give 570 00:37:39,155 --> 00:37:42,995 Speaker 1: me some pointers? I suddenly had no idea what the 571 00:37:43,035 --> 00:37:47,915 Speaker 1: word pointers meant? Pointers? What are pointers? Mantel said he 572 00:37:47,995 --> 00:37:49,715 Speaker 1: was gonna do some Yankee games the next year on 573 00:37:49,795 --> 00:37:53,315 Speaker 1: cable with Mel Allen. I'm doing interviews after games. I'm 574 00:37:53,355 --> 00:37:56,315 Speaker 1: no damn good at interviews. Just now, you were moving 575 00:37:56,355 --> 00:37:59,635 Speaker 1: from topics to topics so smooth. How do you keep 576 00:37:59,675 --> 00:38:02,995 Speaker 1: all the questions in your head? Now? I laughed, I 577 00:38:02,995 --> 00:38:04,635 Speaker 1: didn't keep them in my head. Didn't you see my 578 00:38:04,755 --> 00:38:07,035 Speaker 1: cheap card? And he laughed and he said no, and 579 00:38:07,075 --> 00:38:08,315 Speaker 1: I showed it to him. I said, it's just a 580 00:38:08,355 --> 00:38:11,675 Speaker 1: business card with like seven keywords written on the back. 581 00:38:11,955 --> 00:38:14,395 Speaker 1: If I think I might freeze up because I'm nervous 582 00:38:14,475 --> 00:38:17,795 Speaker 1: because I'm interviewing Mickey Mantle, or I just met Joseph 583 00:38:17,875 --> 00:38:20,315 Speaker 1: Cotton and I didn't recognize him, I make one of 584 00:38:20,355 --> 00:38:23,395 Speaker 1: these cards. I hide it in the palm of my hand, 585 00:38:23,715 --> 00:38:26,395 Speaker 1: and if I get stuck, I could just look down 586 00:38:26,435 --> 00:38:27,995 Speaker 1: quickly and see one of the words. And I've got 587 00:38:28,035 --> 00:38:30,595 Speaker 1: the question. I've got this card to remind me. Mickey 588 00:38:30,635 --> 00:38:36,035 Speaker 1: Mantle's eyes glowed. But wait, he said, we're using these mics, 589 00:38:36,795 --> 00:38:38,715 Speaker 1: and he pointed to the clip on on his shirt. 590 00:38:38,995 --> 00:38:40,555 Speaker 1: So so you don't have to hold him. Mike, what 591 00:38:40,595 --> 00:38:42,195 Speaker 1: do you do if you have to hold the mic 592 00:38:42,275 --> 00:38:44,995 Speaker 1: like I'll have to in an interview after a ball game, 593 00:38:44,995 --> 00:38:47,075 Speaker 1: What if the card would fall out or you have 594 00:38:47,115 --> 00:38:49,435 Speaker 1: to shake hands with the player. And I said, well, 595 00:38:49,515 --> 00:38:53,115 Speaker 1: just write the words on your hand whichever hand is 596 00:38:53,115 --> 00:38:58,075 Speaker 1: holding the mic, like below the thumb. Mickey Mantle looked 597 00:38:58,075 --> 00:38:59,675 Speaker 1: at me as if I had just given him the 598 00:38:59,675 --> 00:39:03,635 Speaker 1: secret of eternal life. Wow. He said that that's great. 599 00:39:03,675 --> 00:39:06,235 Speaker 1: I'm gonna write this down own. Thanks, and we were 600 00:39:06,275 --> 00:39:08,595 Speaker 1: packed up, and he actually walked me to the hotel 601 00:39:08,675 --> 00:39:13,035 Speaker 1: room door and gave me a double handed handshake. So 602 00:39:13,075 --> 00:39:15,715 Speaker 1: it had been a big day, even if I didn't 603 00:39:15,755 --> 00:39:19,755 Speaker 1: realize it was Joseph Cotton. Mickey Mantle had asked me 604 00:39:19,755 --> 00:39:24,075 Speaker 1: for advice about anything. Somehow I had thought of something 605 00:39:24,115 --> 00:39:26,835 Speaker 1: to tell him, and he was really happy about the advice, 606 00:39:29,115 --> 00:39:31,675 Speaker 1: and of course this provided a punchline. The following spring, 607 00:39:32,115 --> 00:39:33,875 Speaker 1: we were in the studios at k t l A, 608 00:39:34,035 --> 00:39:36,635 Speaker 1: watching on the satellite feed as the Yankees first cable 609 00:39:36,675 --> 00:39:39,875 Speaker 1: telecast of the season ended, and sure enough, they threw 610 00:39:39,915 --> 00:39:42,235 Speaker 1: it down to Mickey Mantle on the field interviewing some player, 611 00:39:42,235 --> 00:39:44,475 Speaker 1: and one of my producers said, oh, let's see if 612 00:39:44,475 --> 00:39:46,795 Speaker 1: he remembers the lesson you gave him, and another one said, 613 00:39:46,875 --> 00:39:49,475 Speaker 1: here's your student, Mickey Mantle. And sure enough, after the 614 00:39:49,515 --> 00:39:53,195 Speaker 1: first answer, Mickey Mantle pauses, and I know he can't 615 00:39:53,235 --> 00:39:55,635 Speaker 1: remember what he wanted to ask next, And sure enough 616 00:39:55,675 --> 00:39:58,235 Speaker 1: I see him cheat his look down slightly towards the 617 00:39:58,275 --> 00:40:00,835 Speaker 1: hand holding the microphone. And the next thing I see, 618 00:40:01,035 --> 00:40:05,395 Speaker 1: he's kind of tilted the microphone sideways and he's asking 619 00:40:05,555 --> 00:40:09,835 Speaker 1: the question, but you can barely hear him because the 620 00:40:09,915 --> 00:40:14,955 Speaker 1: mic is pointing off at a degree angle, because he 621 00:40:15,035 --> 00:40:19,635 Speaker 1: has written his key reminder words not below the thumb 622 00:40:20,395 --> 00:40:23,515 Speaker 1: on the outside part of his hand, but on the 623 00:40:23,555 --> 00:40:26,835 Speaker 1: palm side of his hand, and he's had to move 624 00:40:26,955 --> 00:40:29,035 Speaker 1: the mic out of the way to read the words 625 00:40:29,075 --> 00:40:33,795 Speaker 1: on the palm of his hand. And the producer says, well, 626 00:40:33,875 --> 00:40:51,635 Speaker 1: now Mickey Mantle hates you. He was wearing a cape. 627 00:40:53,275 --> 00:40:55,115 Speaker 1: I've done all the damage I can do here. 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