1 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I welcome to Stuff. 2 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: I never told your protection of I Heart Radio's how 3 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: stuff works. Today, we are tackling a topic that I 4 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:26,120 Speaker 1: think a lot of you probably are you familiar with 5 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: because we were just discussing before we started. There's so 6 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 1: many podcasts, so many podcasts dedicated to serial killers, yes, 7 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: and even some two female serial killers. Um. And I 8 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 1: was so excited when we were talking about, you know, 9 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 1: Salween time we need to do things. And I'm like, well, 10 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: one of the things I'm interested in our female serial 11 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 1: killers because I find it fascinating and I love watching 12 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 1: things like Snapped, which is not necessarily about serial killers, 13 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 1: but why women kill or any of those reasons. And 14 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: I'm like, it's so different from your typical like BTK 15 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: or any of that that I kind of I've been doing. 16 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: So I was like, let's talk about that. I didn't 17 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: realize how much work that was gonna be. Yeah, this 18 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: one turned into a two parter um. Should have realized 19 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 1: to that if there are entire podcast where one episode 20 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: is dedicated to a lot of the killers that we're 21 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:16,039 Speaker 1: going to talk about on here. But of course it 22 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 1: would be hard to wrangle into one episode, right. I 23 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: think also was really funny. It's, um all the YouTube channels. 24 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: Not funny, but just how many YouTube channels there are 25 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: dedicated to the investigations, these theories, these reasonings. It's it's 26 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: it's a whole thing. It is, um, it's a whole genre. 27 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: It is extremely popular among some people. I actually am not. 28 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: People are always kind of shocked because I'm not into 29 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:45,399 Speaker 1: true crime. Um, this was a lot of this was 30 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: very new to me. Um. Well, you know when we 31 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 1: sat down and I started telling you about all of them, 32 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: You're like, how many there's like, you know, three or four, 33 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: And I was like, oh no, oh, yeah, there was 34 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: a lot. I've learned a lot, um. And so yeah, 35 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: where we split this into two episodes. This first part 36 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: is signed kind of more like a basis what we're 37 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 1: talking about, and then history serial killers of lore of 38 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:13,959 Speaker 1: history and you know, older ones, and then in part 39 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: two will look at some more modern serial killers. Yes, 40 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: I am fascinated because one of the things that I 41 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 1: also love is watching things like Criminal Minds SVU. All 42 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 1: of those things on the s VU as the right part, 43 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 1: but much like any of the other shows, they take 44 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 1: what really happened and then make it, you know, even 45 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: more so crazy and reading all of these I'm like, oh, wow, 46 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: that's in this episode of the show. Most of the 47 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: ones I know are the older ones because something like 48 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: Supernatural has them as ghosts, right right, but both. Yeah, 49 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: I was kind of shocked at how Um I sort 50 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:54,519 Speaker 1: of missed a lot of this, and I was trying 51 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 1: to think about because there was rumors of a serial 52 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: killer where I grew up. I don't know if it's 53 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 1: a serio killer, but there was a person who was 54 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: killing young women, and I remember that fear of, you know, 55 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: suddenly going somewhere alone, was like, you can't do it, 56 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: having a curved few. Uh he I don't know, I don't. 57 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 1: I think he was caught fairly quickly. Um. And that's 58 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: something else before we get into this trigger warning for violence, 59 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 1: sexual assault, and necrophilia, general grizzliness. Um. Yeah, I was 60 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: just thinking when that happened, When that serio killer thing 61 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: was happening, one of my friends Um went missing. She 62 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: was was totally fine, she just didn't communicate well with 63 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: anyone where she was going, so everyone thought she was 64 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: somewhere else and she was none of those places. But 65 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: for like a couple of hours, we we thought like 66 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: maybe she had been uh the victim because her parents 67 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: like called in a panic and like where and I 68 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: threw up from like nerves. Um So, I just like 69 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: an understanding as we through this that these are real people, 70 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: real victims. Some of them I imagine, like every year 71 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 1: and an anniversary or something gets they get contacted by reporters. 72 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 1: Um So, just something to keep in mind, right, Um, 73 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: And I think a lot of the things that you're not. 74 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 1: The reason I had said before that I'm fascinated by 75 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 1: them is because, um, of the backstory and of the reasonings. 76 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 1: And I don't know why. I'm very caught up in that. 77 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 1: Of course. I think that's like my social work and 78 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:29,480 Speaker 1: my education, and also that I work with you who 79 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 1: get into trouble, and not that they're going to come 80 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:34,919 Speaker 1: out as serial colors or anything, but you see the 81 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: beginnings of Oh, these are the foundations of why things 82 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:40,799 Speaker 1: may have happened or gone down this road. And again, 83 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:43,600 Speaker 1: not to excuse anything in anyone, but it's really kind 84 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 1: of fascinating to have a whole history and look at 85 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: that individual. Yeah, and uh, you are certainly not the 86 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: only one who has fascination. Um. So let's start with 87 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 1: a definition from the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Serial killer 88 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: is a serious are of two or more murders committed 89 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 1: as separate events, usually but not always, by one offender 90 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 1: acting alone. UM. The murders typically take place over several 91 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: months to allow for a cooling off period, usually an 92 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 1: emotional period um. And this is what separates it from 93 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 1: like a mass murder. Um. But this definition is not 94 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 1: without its flaws, and you, like me, may be shocked 95 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: to learn that it's kind of hard to come on 96 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 1: and accepted generally accepted definition. Actually, gang members in theory 97 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:32,159 Speaker 1: could meet that criteria. For example, serial killers frequently but 98 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 1: not always, have a sexually deviant motive, but this is 99 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 1: not usually true for female serial killers. Yep. More on 100 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 1: that in a moment. The National Institute of Justice includes 101 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,600 Speaker 1: that in their definition, their definition being two or more 102 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: murders with a psychological motive and a sexually deviant overtone. 103 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: In that way, it could be classified as a sex crime. 104 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 1: But again, not all serial killers, especially female ones, have 105 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 1: displayed sexually deviant behavior. That Zodiac killer is a famous 106 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: example of a male serial killer who was not sexually motivated. 107 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:07,600 Speaker 1: And side note, when I was in ninth grade and 108 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 1: we were for some reason, we all took this test 109 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: in class because we were reading Dante's Inferno, and we 110 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: took this quiz about which serio killer you would be, 111 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 1: and I got the Zodiac. I have so many questions, 112 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 1: but not so much about why you would be. But 113 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 1: why why were y'all taking I don't know, And it 114 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:30,280 Speaker 1: was there were like for people who got someone like 115 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: say Jack the Ripper, there we would kind of look 116 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 1: at them ascu because I felt like the Zodiac was 117 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 1: a bit of a like they say, are you sure 118 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:42,160 Speaker 1: it wasn't the FBI testing group of people just just 119 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 1: to check and be like, oh, we're gonna go ahead 120 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: and flag them. Oh no, I hope not saying okay. So, 121 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 1: women of females and serial killers are often motivated by 122 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: financial reasons, all truism, sympathy, our love and if you're like, 123 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 1: how the hell can that be killing people for alter 124 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: is um um. We do have a lot of examples 125 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 1: of that in in these episodes, and it could be 126 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: something like killing a baby who, in the killer's mind 127 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: has no future. Um. So, although I imagine it's simple 128 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: enough to remember a time in your life when you 129 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: in passing, I thought about killing someone or hurting someone 130 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: because they had done you wrong, or they've done someone 131 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: you love wrong, but you didn't do it, but you 132 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: had the thought. It's kind of like, Um, I just 133 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: recently read I think it was a tweet that said, 134 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 1: if you haven't at least thought about killing your significant 135 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: other at least once you didn't truly love them, that 136 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: was the one. And then also and like, so I 137 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: married an ax murderer of that. Have you seen this movie? Okay? Uh, 138 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: it's Mike Myers, one of his first movies. He's in 139 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: bed with his wife at that point, and she was like, 140 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: I was so intimated, We're so close that I could 141 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 1: just kill you at any moment. Like he freaks out 142 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 1: because obviously, at the beginning, the whole synopsis of the 143 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: movie is that is be a killer or whatever. But yeah, 144 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 1: but I thought it was really kind of funny. I'm like, oh, yeah, 145 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: like you can trust, you have to really trust that 146 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: you're not gonna get that other person. Well, you know, 147 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 1: that's one thing I was thinking about when I was 148 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: researching this, because again, this is all pretty new to me. Um, 149 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: because you always here, they seem so normal, will they 150 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: fit in all those all those things. But for a 151 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: lot of these cases, maybe the person did seem normal 152 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 1: unless you were like the authorities, because a lot of 153 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: them could have been caught like way earlier. And that 154 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: surprised me because I always heard that kind of trope like, 155 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: oh they're so no, I would never ready guess. And 156 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 1: that's still there. But a lot of them had running 157 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: ins with the law, like got arrested for something very 158 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:54,559 Speaker 1: similar we're called in like social services was called in. 159 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: That kind of blew my mind. Well, some think that 160 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: there's not or there shouldn't be a strict definition, but 161 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 1: rather a prototype and varying degrees to fitting that prototype. Yeah. Yeah. 162 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 1: Serial killings are about as old as humanity is, our 163 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 1: dark shadow haunting all corners of the world where people reside. 164 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 1: I did read something I wasn't able to verify it, 165 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: but I did read that there are more serial killers 166 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 1: in the United States. They are relatively rare, though, making 167 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 1: up less than one percent of murders annually, And on 168 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 1: top of that, only of that one percent are female 169 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: or esimated b female, So that's about one in six 170 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 1: zero killers. As female. Despite or maybe because of, the 171 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 1: small percentage, we humans have a morbid fascination with zero killers. 172 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 1: This is from an official FBI report on serial killers. Quote, 173 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 1: there's a macabre interest in the subject, in the topic 174 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:48,439 Speaker 1: that far exceeds its scope and has generated countless articles, books, 175 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: and movies. This broad based public fascination began in the 176 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 1: late eighteen eighties after series of unsolved prostitute murders occurred 177 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 1: in the White Chapel area of London. These murders were 178 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:01,439 Speaker 1: committed by an unknown individual who named himself Jack the 179 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: Ripper and sent letters to the police claiming to be 180 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: the killer. The report even cites Silence of the Lambs 181 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 1: as kickstarting our kind of cultural interests and serial killers 182 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: are like re kick starting it, and goes out on 183 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 1: to point out that the media's betrayal of serial killers 184 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: causes confusion about what is a serial killer, what constitutes 185 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: a serial killer, and the FBI and in this report 186 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 1: they go through some of the resulting pervasive miss point 187 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: by point. So big one is um Not all serial 188 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:33,559 Speaker 1: killers are loners. A lot of them have families and 189 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 1: or are very active in their community. Not all serial 190 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: killers are white males, A lot of them are, but 191 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:42,559 Speaker 1: not all of them. Not all serial killers are sexually motivated. 192 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 1: Not all serial killers that travel by interstate serial killers 193 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: can stop killing them if being that they can't stop, 194 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 1: but they can. Um serial killers are either insane our 195 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: evil geniuses. Actually they usually have average i Q. They're 196 00:10:57,760 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: not one of those things, which is what we typically 197 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: see in the media. Right So, a long held myth 198 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: has been that women can't be serial killers. Even seasoned 199 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: FBI agents and detectives have made that claim fairly recently. 200 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:14,199 Speaker 1: An evolutionary psychologist at Penn State Harrisburg, Marissa Harrison, possitive. 201 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 1: We don't want to believe, or just plane don't believe 202 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:20,079 Speaker 1: that women are capable of such horrendous things, but history 203 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:22,679 Speaker 1: has shown us that women can be serial colors. This 204 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 1: disconnect means that women get away with their crimes for 205 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: twice as long on an average, as men. Harrison conducted 206 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 1: a study on sixty four American female serial killers who 207 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: were active between eight to two thousand eight. She looked 208 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 1: at their demographics and found that an average in their 209 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 1: twenties or thirties and average intelligence, a Christian, middle class 210 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:45,319 Speaker 1: and married. The total body count for these women are 211 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: three d and thirty one people, which is pretty impressive. 212 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: More than half of those victims were children, and about 213 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 1: a fourth war the elderly or already ill. Harrison's analysis 214 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 1: also found female serial kilors were more likely to kill 215 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:02,439 Speaker 1: someone they knew of the time, as opposed to the 216 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 1: strangers often targeted by male serial killers of the time. 217 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 1: Men hunt, women gather to oversimplify and then filale killers 218 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 1: more frequently used poison as their method of choice. And 219 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 1: we're often employed in caregiving field. Many had suffered physical 220 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:21,199 Speaker 1: and or sexual views. And prominently, we're white women, so 221 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: that means I'm safe. Yeah right, No, I might not 222 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: kill you. I don't know of the two of us, 223 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: I don't know what more likely to be the zerial killer. 224 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: It's good to what maybe you watch, I guess. And 225 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: even in the media, nicknames from women are gendered, whereas 226 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: the media nicknames for men generally are more indicative of 227 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 1: the brutality of their crimes. And yeah, we have plenty 228 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: of horrific examples of female serial killers throughout history, and 229 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 1: we'll get into some of them after a quick break 230 00:12:50,160 --> 00:13:05,440 Speaker 1: for word from our sponsor, and we're back. Thank you. 231 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:09,440 Speaker 1: Sponsoring disclaimer we're back with a disclaimer. Everyone loves those 232 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: Before we get started. A lot of these stories, especially 233 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: the older ones, which are the ones we were tackling 234 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 1: in this one, have perhaps been exaggerated sensationalized over the years. 235 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 1: Or we're actually I found this interesting stories of men 236 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:30,559 Speaker 1: lying about women to get them out of power. Um 237 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 1: our fascination with serial killers only exacerbates our tendency to exaggerate. 238 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 1: And uh, there are a lot of bad resources out there, 239 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 1: a lot of misinformation, so we we did our best 240 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 1: to get the good stuff. But I want to say 241 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:49,439 Speaker 1: that tough. And you guys also remember you're gonna you'll 242 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: probably be familiar with some of these stories as well, 243 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 1: and that's because it's been against sensationalized or dramatized just 244 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 1: for entertainment sake. So it's kind of like, oh no, 245 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 1: how do we get through all of these eight um? 246 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 1: And I also want to say, this is it? I 247 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 1: guess so much? Oh no, maybe it is. UM. I 248 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 1: was gonna say that this didn't happen as much in 249 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: these older examples, but I think it did. A lot 250 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 1: of these sources that we found always when their way 251 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 1: to say this person wasn't attractive, How in the world 252 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 1: could they have had a boyfriend, a husband, a lover, whatever, 253 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 1: or that they were too pretty to be killers. So 254 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: that's gross. It's still all about looks like you're not 255 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 1: pretty enough to kill, you're too pretty. I I read 256 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: in multiple places, particularly about one example we're going to 257 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: talk about that she people thought she was too ugly 258 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: to have because she was like having sex with men 259 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 1: and them killing them, and they're like, no, way, right, 260 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: that's okay, all right. Um, So, some historians posit the 261 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 1: first recorded serial killer was actually female Locusta, the poisoner 262 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: are Alecusta of Gaul, who murdered and assassinated people, particularly 263 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 1: with poison, as the nickname might suggest, over two thousand 264 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: years ago in ancient Rome. Others argue that she wasn't 265 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: really a serial killer, but she was more of a 266 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: highered assassin. But let's let's talk about her for a second. 267 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 1: Um Nero's mother, Agrippina the Younger, employed her Locusta as 268 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: an assassin for higher. Legend goes that she was assigned 269 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 1: to the poisoning of Agrippina's husband, Emperor Claudius and members 270 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: of the imperial family so as to make a path 271 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: for Nero to rise up the ranks. Locusta was arrested 272 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: for her role in Emperor Claudius's death, but Nero overturned 273 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: her death sentence uh and got her out of jail 274 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 1: and appointed her as the official poisoner of the Imperial 275 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: Roman Court. The official poisoner yeah to do what she loves. 276 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: She did, and she also opened a school to teach 277 00:15:56,760 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 1: others the art and science of poison. The knowledge she 278 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 1: passed on may have led to over ten thousand deaths. 279 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 1: With Nero's blessing, she experimented on animals, criminals, and slaves. 280 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 1: The Storians suspect she also murdered and molested children, using 281 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: their blood for alchemy. She was described as possessing Titanic cruelty. 282 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 1: She was publicly executed in six nine after Nero killed 283 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: himself with one of her poison daggers um and the 284 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: new emperor condemned her to death. A widely popular but 285 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 1: most likely undrue story is that she was raped to 286 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 1: death by a specially trained giraffe and then torn apart 287 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 1: and devoured by wild animals while an enormous crowd looked on. 288 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: That is what if you type in her name will 289 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: come up. A giraffe, So warning about that one. I've 290 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: never heard of. No use of giraffe as me either. 291 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 1: An execution tool, I have not either. That's why I 292 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 1: have my doubts. But ancient Rome was up to some 293 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 1: not so great stuff. One of history's most infamous and 294 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:08,160 Speaker 1: notorious female serial killers is Elizabeth Bathory, the Hungarian countess 295 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 1: that is believed to have tortured and killed upwards of 296 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 1: six hundred and fifty teenaged female peasants between fifteen five 297 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: and sixteen ten. And this is one of the ones 298 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 1: that you and I was talking about, one of the 299 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:22,160 Speaker 1: big examples. Um. That number has never been verified and 300 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 1: was a number an eyewitness report is seeing in a diary, 301 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: But then that diary has never been found, so who knows. 302 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 1: Her family owned Transylvania, and there were an interesting bunch 303 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: of people they were. One of her uncles introduced her 304 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:37,399 Speaker 1: to Satanism at a very young age, and an aunt 305 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:40,199 Speaker 1: did the same for sado Masochism, so one of one 306 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 1: of great family. Um records indicate that she witnessed the 307 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: torture of peasants by her father's officer as a child, 308 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: including one account of a peasant being sewn into a 309 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 1: dying horse's stomach and left to die. He must have 310 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:59,119 Speaker 1: been really small, I guess, so maybe you're right. She 311 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 1: herself has was prone to fits of rage. By the 312 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: time she married count Na Dusty, she had begun torturing 313 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 1: servant girls, and after the count died, she began kidnapping, torturing, 314 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 1: and killing them. It was widely believed she ate the 315 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: flesh and bathed in the blood of her victims in 316 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:17,119 Speaker 1: hopes of holding onto her youth. The rumors about her 317 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: are rampant that she pushed needles under the nails of 318 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:23,399 Speaker 1: servant girls, or tie them down, covered them up with honey, 319 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 1: and set bees and ants on them. Her favorite implement 320 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: of torture was reportedly scissors. Once she was discovered, she 321 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:32,399 Speaker 1: was sentenced to live out her days in solitary in 322 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 1: her castle, which that must be nice. That's what power gets, huh, 323 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 1: just to get to hang out. But she was actually 324 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:40,679 Speaker 1: walled in, and some stories claiming she only had slits 325 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 1: for food and water and air, So I guess it 326 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: had to be pretty dark. After only three years, she 327 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 1: died in sixteen fourteen. She was known to some as 328 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 1: the Blood Countess worth mentioning. Some historians believe that all 329 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 1: of this was politically motivated. Slanders spread by her relatives 330 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 1: to get ahold of Elizabeth's land and so that Kingdom 331 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 1: Attias the second would not have to pay back a 332 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:03,360 Speaker 1: debt that he owed her family. Basically, she was powerful, 333 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 1: wealthy woman, was strategic land, and so men and power 334 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:09,360 Speaker 1: sought to ruin her and take her wealth. Hey Annie, yes, 335 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 1: do you know you can actually visit her castle today? Uh? 336 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: Well I do. Now, then you can purchase the bathory 337 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 1: blood wine. What what kind of grapes they used for that? 338 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:24,880 Speaker 1: I think it's a peinout noir, I think so. But yeah, 339 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 1: if you look up female serial killers, a lot of 340 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 1: times she's listed as one of the most prolific in history, 341 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 1: like female or otherwise. But a lot of historians think 342 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 1: she this was and it was to lock her in 343 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 1: the castle so that she she com went her power. 344 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 1: And yeah, from what I understand, she was kind of 345 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:46,440 Speaker 1: the beginning of how Dracula, and yeah, she was. She's 346 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 1: thought to be the inspiration one of the inspirations for 347 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:53,920 Speaker 1: Braunze Stoker's Dracula. Eighteenth century Russian noble woman Daria Nikolaevna 348 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 1: Soltikova is believed to have killed over one hundred servant 349 00:19:56,840 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 1: girls by beating and torturing them. She was welln acted 350 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 1: and widowed at the age of twenty six, making her 351 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: the wealthiest widow in Russia at that time. She had 352 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:07,919 Speaker 1: a nice property that she inhabited with two of her 353 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 1: sons and over six hundred serfs. For a while, nothing 354 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 1: seemed a miss and she was somebody well respected. She 355 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:19,119 Speaker 1: donated churches and charities, but after a love affair ended 356 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 1: with her lover leaving her for another woman, a younger woman, 357 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:26,399 Speaker 1: Saltykova apparently started to take her anger out on unfortunate serves, 358 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:30,640 Speaker 1: primarily young women. She killed women and children, throwing them 359 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 1: out in the cold, pouring boiling water on them, breaking 360 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:36,640 Speaker 1: their bones. At first, complaints about her actions were ignored 361 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:39,880 Speaker 1: because she was so well off in her victims so poor, 362 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: But eventually the protest of grieving families grew too loud 363 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 1: to ignore, and she was charged with the murder of 364 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: thirty eight women and then to escaped the estate in 365 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 1: seventeen sixty two, and they bought a petition for Empress 366 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:58,479 Speaker 1: Catherine the Second, who ordered an investigation she was found 367 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:03,399 Speaker 1: sane and un morseful. This is Saltikova, not the first captain, 368 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:07,160 Speaker 1: the second um Saltikova was sentenced to a civil execution 369 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 1: at Moscow's Red Square, which consisted of a public beating 370 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 1: and then an hour spent with a sign chained around 371 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 1: her neck that read this woman has tortured and murdered. 372 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: She spent the next several years living in complete darkness 373 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 1: and a convent basement. Only for meals was she granted 374 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 1: some light in the form of a candle. She was 375 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 1: eventually transferred and died in eighteen oh one after thirty 376 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 1: three years civil execution. Interesting. I guess it's like reputation, 377 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 1: which I would think just by being convicted. Yeah, but 378 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: they wanted to have a whole public thing for it. 379 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 1: I guess it was like that form of Twitter. Yeah. 380 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:49,239 Speaker 1: I mean, my friend co worker Lauren often says there 381 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,880 Speaker 1: was no Netflix back then, so this was their entertainment. 382 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 1: In one geisha or gusha, Gottfrid was arrested and publicly 383 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 1: executed in front of a crowd of thirty five thousand 384 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 1: people in Bremen, Germany, the city's last public beheading. The 385 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 1: spot is marked with a basalt stone or a spinning stone. 386 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 1: Over a fourteen year span, she used arsenic to poison 387 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 1: fifteen people, including her parents, her children, her two husbands, 388 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:18,119 Speaker 1: and friends. So she, you know, she's a really great person. 389 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 1: Some speculate that she had Munchausen syndrome by proxy. She 390 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:23,920 Speaker 1: was well liked before she was found out. She was 391 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,679 Speaker 1: actually known as the Angel of Breman. They used her 392 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,440 Speaker 1: death mascore as any You just explained to me was what, 393 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: So it's this obsolete pseudoscience that um where they would 394 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,399 Speaker 1: try to predict mental traits based on the bumps on 395 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: your skull, among other things. So they used hers to 396 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 1: try to predict female females, Yeah, female patterns. And also 397 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 1: just want to mention, because I've never heard of this before, 398 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,920 Speaker 1: but that spinning stone thing, that's literally a place where 399 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,360 Speaker 1: local spit That's what it sounded. Yeah, so I'm thinking 400 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 1: they used that to think a spit on her blood essentially. Yeah. Yeah, 401 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 1: you can visit this stone. It's still there. And I 402 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 1: was looking at the tourist thing and it said don't 403 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,159 Speaker 1: be alarmed if you see locals spitting on the ground 404 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,679 Speaker 1: at this one spot. It's all spitting stone. So we 405 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 1: need to start. Go ahead and put planning our next 406 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: jobs to all of these different places. Okay, well we're 407 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: gonna have to bounce it out because I'll be drinking 408 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 1: the wine. Um, But I actually have been to this 409 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: next place, um, which is Madame Marie Delphine La Laurie's house. 410 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 1: So yeah, that's who we're talking about. Many of you 411 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 1: may know this one from American horror story or perhaps 412 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 1: from a ghost tour you've taken in New Orleans. Madame 413 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 1: Laurie was a slave owner, owner of a massive plantation, 414 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 1: and a socialite who threw these huge, lavish parties. She 415 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 1: married three times. Her first two husbands died. Her third 416 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 1: husband was a doctor named Leonard la Laurie. Rumors persisted 417 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,920 Speaker 1: of Madame La Laurie's cruelty to her slaves, but these 418 00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 1: rumors remained unsubstantiated. One man of aid of Madame Laurie's 419 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: punishments flung himself from a third story window, a window 420 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 1: that remains cemented shut to this day. Another girl, Leah, 421 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:12,360 Speaker 1: who was whipped after brushing the Laurie's hair too hard um, 422 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: also jumped from a window or maybe fell. Some people 423 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 1: witnessed little Laurie bearing her body. So these two instances, 424 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 1: there's a lot of lore about Madame Little Laurie. Um, 425 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 1: these two are the ones that most of historians agreed happened, 426 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:31,880 Speaker 1: actually happened right. Um. So Madame Lulauria was fined three 427 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,400 Speaker 1: dollars for bearing this body um and had to sell 428 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 1: off a nine of her slaves, but she just got 429 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:39,879 Speaker 1: her family to re buy them and then give them 430 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: back to her, and the authorities looked the other way. 431 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:43,679 Speaker 1: I think they kind of knew that was happening and 432 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 1: just really care enough to do anything. In four, a 433 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 1: slave of Madame Laurie's changed the stove set a fire 434 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:55,920 Speaker 1: in the hopes of killing herself. When authorities arrived to 435 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,119 Speaker 1: the scene, they found this elderly enslaved woman chained to 436 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: the stove, and she had formed to them that she 437 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,199 Speaker 1: has started the fire to end her life because she 438 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 1: had been told she would be taken to the attic 439 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 1: and no one returned from the attic. And also there 440 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: was a lot of neighbors kind of gathering at this 441 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 1: point because they had seen Madame Lulaurie collecting like furs 442 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 1: and jewelry or items, but not really caring that about 443 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,440 Speaker 1: her slaves. So we're in this house and they were 444 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,880 Speaker 1: wondering where are they um, So of course the authorities 445 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,639 Speaker 1: went into the attic and what they found was horrifying. 446 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 1: Slaves were chained with spiked iron collars, clearly tortured, and 447 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: in many cases their skin had been flayed. Accounts, Oh, 448 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 1: there's so many stories. This is one of the things 449 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: where people aren't really sure, because as time went on 450 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:48,399 Speaker 1: they got more and more grotesque accounts. Tale of slaves 451 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:52,160 Speaker 1: with limbs missing, still alive, or missing their tongues, mouth 452 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 1: stone shut, one slave skull being sawed off with a 453 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 1: spoon in his brains. Another reportedly had her legs and 454 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:02,640 Speaker 1: arms broken and rees set to resemble a crab um. 455 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: Yet another was wrapped in her own human intestines. Slaves 456 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 1: in cages, corpses and body parts littered about, a bucket 457 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 1: of heads, a woman whose skin had been peeled off 458 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 1: in spiral patterns so as to resemble a caterpillar. Some 459 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 1: sources claim that there were only a handful of victims. 460 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 1: Others claimed that there were over one hundred. And it's 461 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,639 Speaker 1: really hard to separate rumors and all the things that 462 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:31,879 Speaker 1: were sensationalized over time from fact. But yes, the records 463 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,399 Speaker 1: seemed to indicate for sure there were slaves in the attic, 464 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 1: and that they had been tortured and chained with inward 465 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 1: facing spiked collars. Outraged by these heinous acts are maybe 466 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:45,159 Speaker 1: just the fact that she left her slaves in the 467 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 1: attic to burn in a fire. A mob before thousand 468 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,879 Speaker 1: people formed to find Madame Uldauri, but she was nowhere 469 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 1: to be found. Um. The story goes that she escaped 470 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 1: with her slave car driver, Um fled to Paris. A 471 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 1: plaque in the St. Louis Cemetery asserts that she died 472 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 1: in Paris. Um some believes she faked her death in 473 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 1: Paris and returned to New Orleans to live out her life, 474 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 1: something she never actually left New Orleans. In New Orleans lore, 475 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,680 Speaker 1: she is known as the Savage Mistress, so, like all 476 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 1: the other names on this list, fascination has led to 477 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 1: a lot of dissection and speculation of her story and 478 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 1: her motives. Um. Some post that her husband may have 479 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 1: been the main culprit, driving her to violence and committing 480 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 1: a lot of it himself, as the minted medical test. 481 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,679 Speaker 1: In some tellings, he was experimenting with Haitian voodoo potions 482 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:37,119 Speaker 1: and the attempt to make slaves more docile. Others Virgins 483 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 1: say that the seventeen seventy one murder of Madame LaLaurie's 484 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: uncle by slaves, along with Haitian slave revolt and her 485 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 1: experience during the eighteen eleven slave uprisings in New Orleans, 486 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: led to a general atmosphere of increased tolerance of violence 487 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,159 Speaker 1: against slaves, even though Louisiana and theory had one of 488 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: the only laws in the books to prevent cruelty against 489 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 1: the enslaved, and that all of these events had a 490 00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:02,200 Speaker 1: huge influence of Laoi's behavior. Over one slaves were beheaded 491 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 1: as a result of the eighteen eleven uprising, which is 492 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 1: a lot yea. Their heads were put on display and 493 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 1: their corpses hung from the city gates. Some historians claim 494 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: that unfortunately and disturbingly enough, slave owners were so terrified 495 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 1: of their slaves killing them in their sleeves, despite iron 496 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 1: collars were not actually unusual, especially in rural parts of Louisiana. However, 497 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 1: that kind of brutality was not as common or perceived 498 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 1: as acceptable in New Orleans, which is probably why such 499 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,440 Speaker 1: a large mob formed after discovering what Madame Mulaurie did. 500 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 1: When English writer Harriet Martineau arrived to New Orleans at 501 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 1: eighteen thirty six, details of it became murkys um more embellished, 502 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 1: giving birth to the legend of the gory ghost story 503 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: that is Madame LaLaurie. Yeah, yeah, that one. I is 504 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 1: one of the ones I am familiar with um. And 505 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 1: speaking of ghost stories, I have another one I'm familiar 506 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 1: with um. But first we're going to take a quick 507 00:28:53,040 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 1: break for word from our sponsor, and we're back, Thank 508 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 1: you sponsor, And we're back with Lizzie Borden. Yes, so 509 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 1: there is a kind of rhyme about her. Lizzie Borden 510 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 1: took an X gave her mother forty wax. When she 511 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 1: saw what she had done, she gave her father forty one. 512 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 1: So yeah. In the eight nineties, Lizzie Borden allegedly killed 513 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 1: her father and stepmother with an AX. Her family was 514 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 1: well off and Lizzie was an unmarried, thirty two year 515 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 1: old Sunday school teacher. One morning, when her father returned home, 516 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 1: Lizzie informed him that Mrs Borden, her stepmother, whom she 517 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 1: did not get along with, had left the house. He 518 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 1: went into the living room to sit on the sofa. 519 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:49,959 Speaker 1: The maid was not feeling well and retreated to her 520 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 1: room to lie down for a bit. She awoke to 521 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 1: Lizzie screaming that her father was dead. His face was 522 00:29:55,960 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 1: horribly bashed in and disconfigured Sullivan. The maid ran to 523 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 1: get a doctor. Neighbors called the police. Lizzie told the 524 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 1: gathering crowd that her family hadn't been feeling well for days, 525 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 1: and she suspected poisoned milk. Her story has since become 526 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 1: quite exaggerated and the stuff of nightmare legend um, but okay, 527 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 1: for when the doctor arrived, the maid went upstairs to 528 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 1: check for Mrs Borden and found her dead in a 529 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 1: pool of her own blood. The authorities determined that Mrs 530 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,960 Speaker 1: Borden had been struck nineteen times with the hatchet. Mr 531 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 1: Borden eleven times, His nose had been cut off from 532 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 1: most face, and one of his eyes sliced in half. 533 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 1: When the bodies were later examined, no poison was found 534 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 1: in their systems. At first, Lizzie was not a suspect. 535 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 1: It wasn't until authorities pursued a lot of leads that 536 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 1: turned out to be nothing that they started to suspect 537 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 1: Lizzie basically because she was kind of the only one 538 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,719 Speaker 1: left um for one. They never found the note that 539 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 1: Lizzie claimed Mrs Borden received summoning her out of the house, 540 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 1: and Mrs Borden never left in any case. Right um 541 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 1: the day prior to the murders, it was discuss her 542 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 1: that Lizzie attempted to purchase prussic acid or cyanide, but 543 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,720 Speaker 1: was denied since she did not have a prescription for it. 544 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 1: A friend of Lizzie's claim to have seen Lizzie burning 545 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 1: address a few days after the murders because it was 546 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 1: stained and could no longer be warned. That was all 547 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 1: the judge needed to charge Lizzie with the murders, and 548 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 1: her trial was a media circus. Her lawyer claimed she 549 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 1: could not have committed the murders because the closed Lizzie 550 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 1: war when the neighbors arrived were clean, and nowadays some 551 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 1: people believe that's because she committed the crimes naked. Yeah. 552 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 1: Some witnesses claimed to have seen some suspicious characters looking 553 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 1: about the boarding home in the days leading up to 554 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 1: the murders. This was enough for Lizzie to be declared 555 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 1: not guilty. I did not know that. I thought she 556 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 1: had been declared guilty. Um she and her sister inherited 557 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 1: their father's estate and they bought a nice house. Lizzie 558 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 1: died in ninety seven. Theories abound to this day about 559 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 1: who killed the board and some say it was the 560 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 1: work of Mr Borden's ill it amid son and the 561 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 1: boarding sisters covered it up, or that they worked together, 562 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 1: or that Lizzie killed them all on her own but 563 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 1: with the blessing of her sister and this brother. Some 564 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,239 Speaker 1: believe Lizzie and the maid were having an affair and 565 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 1: carried out the crime together. Her story has been turned 566 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 1: into movies, TV shows, books, and the house where the 567 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,720 Speaker 1: murders happened is now a museum tourist flocked to every year. 568 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 1: This is growing tour less is growing. Well, okay, I 569 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,480 Speaker 1: like I go on the haunted haunted tours. I'm not 570 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 1: gonna lie. That's how I've seen madam Rye House, right, 571 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 1: And that's also why I know a little bit, because 572 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 1: I also would watch all of these characters come back 573 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 1: to haunt something. Right. So in the Victorian England, Amilia 574 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 1: Day are also known as the Redding baby farmer is 575 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 1: believed to have killed possibly hundreds of children. She turned 576 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 1: to murder as a way to support her daughter after 577 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 1: her husband died. She started baby farming, essentially taking infants 578 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 1: into her home and being paid to care for and 579 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,239 Speaker 1: wet nurse them. During this time period, this was an 580 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 1: option for women pregnant with an illegitimate child. They could 581 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 1: pay a fee and give birth to at a baby 582 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 1: farm and pay the farm to care for them and 583 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 1: arrange an adoption. Instead of caring for these babies, so 584 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 1: Dia took the money and strangled them either or starved 585 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 1: them or gave them a concoction laced with opious called 586 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:19,680 Speaker 1: Mother's Friend. Huh. Nice title. She did this for thirty 587 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 1: years before she was caught and executed by hanging, which 588 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 1: is why the estimate of victims is in the hundreds. 589 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 1: She'd been caught previously for killing babies, but released after 590 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,040 Speaker 1: being charged with neglect. See this is one of the 591 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 1: examples where I was like, huh, but I also read 592 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:37,400 Speaker 1: a lot of things saying disturbingly enough, again that was 593 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 1: kind of like par for the course. Yeah, okay, very disturbed. 594 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 1: At the beginning of the twenty century, Amy Archer Gilligan 595 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 1: ran what seemed to be a nursing home in Connecticut. 596 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,400 Speaker 1: Suspicions arose about Gilligan after several of her patients named 597 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,760 Speaker 1: her on their life insurance policies before dying, and authorities 598 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 1: discovered she purchased a lot of arsenic. Over a five 599 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 1: year period, she poisoned over forty eight people, and she 600 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 1: was the inspiration behind a Broadway show and later a 601 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 1: movie called Arsenic. An old Lase's a good movie. Have 602 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:14,839 Speaker 1: you seen it? Really? I shouldn't be surprised. I like 603 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,799 Speaker 1: weird old movies, so I'm really into like black and 604 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,319 Speaker 1: white and way back when musicals too, So okay, all right. 605 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,600 Speaker 1: Victorian American Bell Gunnis began her killings free in Indiana 606 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:29,760 Speaker 1: by murdering her husband the day of two overlapping life 607 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 1: insurance policies. She then drew men and with newspaper as 608 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,479 Speaker 1: describing herself as a comely widow. And they also said 609 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,960 Speaker 1: triflers need not apply um so i as to kill 610 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,840 Speaker 1: them after marriage or taking out well, definitely after taking 611 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,479 Speaker 1: out a life insurance policy. I guess the marriage wasn't 612 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 1: always the case. A week after marrying Peter Gunness, His 613 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:54,279 Speaker 1: baby daughter died unexpectedly, and he himself died in an 614 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:58,520 Speaker 1: accident not long after. The circumstances were suspicious enough that 615 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 1: a coroner investigated, but um Bell was cleared. Her daughter 616 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,279 Speaker 1: Jenny told a classmate, my mama killed my papa. She 617 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,880 Speaker 1: hit him with a meat cleaver and he died. Don't 618 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:15,040 Speaker 1: tell a soul. Poisoning and bludgeoning was Gunness's m O, 619 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,360 Speaker 1: and her kill count is estimated to be over forty 620 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:22,839 Speaker 1: when she was discovered or kind of the gig was up? 621 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:28,680 Speaker 1: I guess she Well, it gets kind of confusing, but 622 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:33,440 Speaker 1: some people think she faked her own death by setting 623 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 1: a house fire, but not before killing her children and 624 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,440 Speaker 1: leaving their hacked up bodies in their beds to make 625 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:45,000 Speaker 1: it more believable. Right, But some people think that um 626 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,719 Speaker 1: the farm hand did it. He set the house on fire, 627 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 1: and that's certainly what people thought at this time. Because 628 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:56,440 Speaker 1: there was a body found of a female, headless corpse, 629 00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 1: people assumed to be Gunness. So there was this trial 630 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 1: about the farm hand because you know, they discovered eleven 631 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:09,480 Speaker 1: bodies in the hog pin, including Gunnis's foster daughter um 632 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:13,359 Speaker 1: so that that there was this trial about the farm hand. 633 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 1: He was generally accepted to be the killer, but he 634 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:21,680 Speaker 1: claimed Gunnis did it and that Gunnis framed him. She 635 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,080 Speaker 1: was compared to Lady macbeth. Her home was called a 636 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,400 Speaker 1: horror farm or a death garden, and up to twenty 637 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:29,920 Speaker 1: people visited the farm in a single weekend. Kind of 638 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,960 Speaker 1: during this whole time period because there was so much 639 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,960 Speaker 1: media coverage of it. UM inventors there so old ice 640 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:41,759 Speaker 1: cream popcorn in an item called Gunness stew yes. UM. 641 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,839 Speaker 1: Prosecutors in this trial for the farm hand argued that 642 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:50,719 Speaker 1: Gunnis had quote engaged in the wholesale slaughter of humanity. UM. 643 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,160 Speaker 1: When investigators realized that the headless body of the woman 644 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,080 Speaker 1: they assumed to be Gunnis was in fact not her, 645 00:36:55,520 --> 00:37:00,799 Speaker 1: a panic spread. Sightings of her were reported everywhere UM 646 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 1: and there has been some semi recent updates to this 647 00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:09,000 Speaker 1: one because UH in two thousand and eight, forensic anthropologists 648 00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,360 Speaker 1: UM found this body who they think was Gunness or 649 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,640 Speaker 1: maybe not Gonnas. But they tested the DNA and they 650 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,120 Speaker 1: compared it to samples Gunnis had left on a postage 651 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:24,120 Speaker 1: stamp UM and the results were inconclusive. Right. But in 652 00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:29,719 Speaker 1: there was another woman who was awaiting trial for poisoning 653 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:36,400 Speaker 1: a man um named esther Carlson, and some people suggest 654 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:43,120 Speaker 1: that that was Gunness, So yeah, rumors abound about her. 655 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,120 Speaker 1: She looked a lot like Gunness, and she had a 656 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:51,200 Speaker 1: photo of the children that looked like Gunness's children. Um 657 00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:57,000 Speaker 1: and was about the same age in Sammo, same thing poisoning. Yeah, 658 00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:00,000 Speaker 1: so we may never know. So in you up an 659 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,120 Speaker 1: nineteen twenties dagmire, Overby's job was taking care of children 660 00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:07,160 Speaker 1: born outside of wedlock once again, but she instead strangled, drowned, 661 00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,120 Speaker 1: or burned them. She's estimated have killed up to twenty 662 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,360 Speaker 1: five children. Allegedly. She was only found out when a 663 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,520 Speaker 1: woman changed her mind and went back for her baby, 664 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,400 Speaker 1: and over By couldn't tell her the address where she 665 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,719 Speaker 1: asked where the child would be placed. The case hues 666 00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,200 Speaker 1: so much publicity in details were so horrific, her home 667 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,239 Speaker 1: country of Denmark changed some of their childcare laws. At 668 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,480 Speaker 1: the time, Denmark did not put our women to death, 669 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:33,600 Speaker 1: quote unquote, so they changed it to the thanks to her, 670 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,960 Speaker 1: They just changed the childcare laws. But that's just what 671 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:42,320 Speaker 1: they said. They would have put her to death, but yeah, um, 672 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:47,680 Speaker 1: so that's is Some examples from the past, from like 673 00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:51,239 Speaker 1: the the far back past. Uh. And it brings us 674 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,879 Speaker 1: to the end of this our part one look right 675 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:58,760 Speaker 1: to female zero killers. But we do have a part two. Yes, 676 00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,600 Speaker 1: we have a lot more saying uh and you can 677 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,560 Speaker 1: you can catch that in the coming days. Well, I 678 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:06,440 Speaker 1: don't know when you're listening to this. It could be 679 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:10,680 Speaker 1: any time, but in the meantime, we would love to 680 00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,320 Speaker 1: hear from you. UM. If you have thoughts about serio 681 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,960 Speaker 1: killers or why we're so fascinated with them, or if 682 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,000 Speaker 1: you have more details that we may not know about 683 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,920 Speaker 1: or a serial killer we missed. UM, you can email 684 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,239 Speaker 1: us at Stuff Media, mom Stuff at i heeart media 685 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,799 Speaker 1: dot com. You can find us on Twitter at mom 686 00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,680 Speaker 1: Stuff podcast or on Instagram at Stuff I've Never Told You. 687 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:34,120 Speaker 1: Thanks as always for a super producer, Andrew Howard. Thank you, Andrew, 688 00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,719 Speaker 1: and thanks to you for listening Stuff I've Never Told You. 689 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:38,600 Speaker 1: The production of I Heart Radio's how Stuff Works. 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