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Speaker 2: Hey, Hey, Emily, here, you are listening to another episode

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Speaker 2: of Hurdle, a show that dives into the true stories

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Speaker 3: You to conquer your own hurdles.

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Speaker 2: This week, I'm thrilled to bring you a conversation with

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Speaker 3: I got up with Sarah right here in New.

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Speaker 2: In this episode, we dive into the grit required for

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Speaker 2: Sarah opens up about her unique personal journey in our

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Speaker 2: I have no doubt that it was an incredibly tough call. Now,

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Speaker 3: And with that, let's get to it. Let's get to

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Hurdle Sarah.

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Speaker 3: How are you?

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Speaker 1: in our big old you know, suv to school, and

441
00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:10,280
Speaker 1: I was like, this doesn't feel real. It feels like

442
00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:13,359
Speaker 1: I'm like acting, you know. And even like you know,

443
00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:17,000
Speaker 1: our attachment as a family is it's grown over the years,

444
00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,679
Speaker 1: and like it's it doesn't automatically. You don't feel like

445
00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,640
Speaker 1: the mom of a fifteen year old that's like practically.

446
00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:24,720
Speaker 4: A woman, you know, Like it's just not biological.

447
00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:27,159
Speaker 1: And I knew that that would be the case, and

448
00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:29,399
Speaker 1: like talking to a therapist was like just accept it

449
00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:31,720
Speaker 1: for what it is, you know, and like that really

450
00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:35,080
Speaker 1: helped to just be like, yeah, like of course we

451
00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:37,680
Speaker 1: would feel this way about, you know, and then talking

452
00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:39,719
Speaker 1: to other families and they're like give it five years,

453
00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,440
Speaker 1: you know, and then sure enough, like yeah, like over time,

454
00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:45,720
Speaker 1: like your attachment does grow, like you have shared memories

455
00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:48,880
Speaker 1: together and shared experiences and so so yeah, all of.

456
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Speaker 4: Those things I think we're we're challenges, but like.

457
00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:56,400
Speaker 1: Something that you you just don't know what's going to improve,

458
00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:59,080
Speaker 1: like later, like is our attachment gonna you know, like

459
00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:01,199
Speaker 1: you hope it will, but you just don't know. So

460
00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:03,800
Speaker 1: I think the uncertainty of that sometimes is hard.

461
00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:07,119
Speaker 2: Was there guilt or shame associated with that at times?

462
00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:08,040
Speaker 4: Definitely? Yeah.

463
00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:10,320
Speaker 1: I think I think shame that like you want to

464
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:13,280
Speaker 1: feel like more love than you do at the time

465
00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:15,800
Speaker 1: or something, and I did have love in my heart

466
00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,240
Speaker 1: for my kids from the beginning, but it's like you

467
00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:21,480
Speaker 1: want them to feel like your kids, you know. And

468
00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:23,440
Speaker 1: that's what people are afraid of a lot of times

469
00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:26,239
Speaker 1: with adoption, and it's a valid fear. But I think

470
00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:29,520
Speaker 1: what people don't realize is like they do become your kids,

471
00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:31,639
Speaker 1: and it doesn't take long, and it doesn't it's not

472
00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,480
Speaker 1: as hard. It happens naturally and it happens really like

473
00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:38,600
Speaker 1: it just becomes instinct, you know, and it's it's not work.

474
00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:43,560
Speaker 2: I would imagine also that because of the wide age range,

475
00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:47,120
Speaker 2: you are learning so many different things.

476
00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:50,480
Speaker 3: At once, like how am I dealing with.

477
00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:55,040
Speaker 2: Littles under five and then also this fifteen year old

478
00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:57,600
Speaker 2: And these are lessons that so many people like get

479
00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,000
Speaker 2: to learn along the way and you're just thrown into it.

480
00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:02,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, there are a lot of dynamics too, because the

481
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 1: language barriers and my kids didn't speak any English when

482
00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:07,760
Speaker 1: we met them and then we're you know, learning it

483
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,439
Speaker 1: quickly when they got home. But there's that, there's the

484
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:16,359
Speaker 1: cultural barriers, there's the different ages. There's like teenagers biologically

485
00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:18,720
Speaker 1: are pulling away from their parents, and that's a very

486
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:22,040
Speaker 1: healthy natural thing at that age, right, But we were

487
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,159
Speaker 1: trying to connect at a time where you're naturally you

488
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,840
Speaker 1: would be like pulling away from your parents. So so yeah,

489
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,520
Speaker 1: you have all those dynamics like their their family of origin,

490
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:33,000
Speaker 1: you know, what their norms were and their experiences and stuff.

491
00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:39,000
Speaker 2: So yeah, their native language is pronounced Amharic. Okay, So

492
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,640
Speaker 2: is there a word or a phrase in that language

493
00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:44,960
Speaker 2: that you felt like really started to resonate with you

494
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:45,720
Speaker 2: from the get go.

495
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:47,240
Speaker 4: That's a good question.

496
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,239
Speaker 1: I've no one's ever asked that, But yes, there's a

497
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,520
Speaker 1: phrase the runners say a lot, which is burchie if

498
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:54,040
Speaker 1: you're a girl.

499
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,640
Speaker 4: It's berta if you're saying it to a man.

500
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Speaker 1: But it means be strong, but it's kind of like

501
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,120
Speaker 1: tough enough up like be strong or like it can

502
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 1: also be like kind of compassion if you get hurt

503
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 1: or something like be strong. And in Ethiopia they run

504
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 1: in like single file lines and if you even let

505
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:14,840
Speaker 1: a little gap open up between the person in front

506
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 1: of you, that.

507
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 4: Like Burchie, Burchie, like get up there, like kind of

508
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:18,399
Speaker 4: encouraging you.

509
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 1: But I like to encourage the runners here, like on

510
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,160
Speaker 1: Sunday at the starting line, I'll be telling them Berchie.

511
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,159
Speaker 1: But it's something I would say a lot with my

512
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 1: kids too, like cause I kind of wanted them to

513
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:29,200
Speaker 1: keep that mental.

514
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Speaker 4: Toughness I saw with people over there.

515
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Speaker 1: I think, you know, like sometimes in the US kids

516
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,879
Speaker 1: can be a little bit soft or like caught older

517
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,200
Speaker 1: things at times, and so I was like I wanted

518
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,120
Speaker 1: them to be like keep their Ethiopian toughness, you know.

519
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:42,320
Speaker 4: Their toughness.

520
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 3: I love that.

521
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,359
Speaker 2: And I think it's so admirable and obviously understandable that

522
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,679
Speaker 2: you took it upon yourselves to learn the language so

523
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 2: that you could do the best that you could with

524
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 2: the girls. And I'm sure that although they may not

525
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,200
Speaker 2: have had a full understanding of what was going on,

526
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,200
Speaker 2: they appreciated that you were making that effort, I hope.

527
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 1: So, yeah, I wanted to meet them like halfway because yeah,

528
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:06,120
Speaker 1: typically international adoption, you swoop in, grab the kids, bring

529
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,199
Speaker 1: them to this like completely different alien planet, you know,

530
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 1: and like expect them to do all the changing and adapting.

531
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,440
Speaker 1: But but yeah, we were hoping to try to help.

532
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 1: Like we spend a lot of time over there in

533
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 1: the process, learning their culture, seeing them in context of

534
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,200
Speaker 1: Ethiopia and stuff, and I think that helped.

535
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 2: And you had spent a good chunk of time there,

536
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 2: not only in the process of the adoption, but then

537
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,920
Speaker 2: also you've trained there as well. What do you feel

538
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 2: like that process really brought to you as an individual?

539
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's one of the greatest privileges of my life.

540
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 1: I feel like to be able to be embraced by

541
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Speaker 1: a team over there and really get to experience like

542
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 1: the running culture, not as like a truist as much.

543
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I still was, but I feel like, you know,

544
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 1: people will go to Kenyan Ethiopian, they're kind of like observing,

545
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 1: but like I got to really join in with the team,

546
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 1: and that was one of the things I was excited

547
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 1: to share with the running community because I feel like

548
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,399
Speaker 1: a lot of people haven't trained in Ethiopia or and

549
00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,399
Speaker 1: definitely like not in the context of like that I

550
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,879
Speaker 1: got to, and so it was really fun to I

551
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 1: was actually writing those parts over there, and it was

552
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 1: like reminding me of all all the fun, quirky aspects

553
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:12,880
Speaker 1: of training there. But I think when the biggest takeaway

554
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,719
Speaker 1: I got from my time training there was learning to

555
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,359
Speaker 1: like keep my peace because there it's like just so

556
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 1: chaotic a lot of times, like on the roads, like

557
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 1: there's stray dogs, there's donkey carts like cutting you off.

558
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:30,159
Speaker 1: There's like a bus coming and exhaling smoke all around you,

559
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 1: and like and already I have no idea what the

560
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 1: workout is a lot of times, like because I don't

561
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,439
Speaker 1: speak the language fluently, and the pace isn't you know,

562
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 1: it's not being dictated by me or a pa, my

563
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:41,639
Speaker 1: pacemaker or something.

564
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:42,920
Speaker 4: And so there was like a.

565
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 1: Wildness about training there that I feel like I bring

566
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 1: now to the race on Sunday that like the chaos

567
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 1: of the bottle stops there that's like normal for me.

568
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 4: Like like they're even more chaotic over there.

569
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Speaker 1: And so I really learned how to just like find

570
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,439
Speaker 1: my peace in the chaos and even just like daily

571
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 1: life there is it's you know, everything doesn't run quite

572
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 1: like it does as efficiently always as here, and so

573
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 1: that was I feel like it's been sticking.

574
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:14,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would imagine that that chaos and being able

575
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 2: to come back here it really gives you a deep

576
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 2: appreciation for like some of the things that are just

577
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 2: so easy here in the United.

578
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 1: States for sure. Yeah, And I think there's its pros

579
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,160
Speaker 1: and cons. Like I think there's all beautiful things about

580
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,880
Speaker 1: warm weather cultures that are awesome, like where when they're

581
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,120
Speaker 1: not as maybe exact with time and stuff, there's more

582
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 1: of like a relationalness where it's like, yeah, where you

583
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:41,400
Speaker 1: can just drop in on people.

584
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:42,640
Speaker 4: And stay as long as you want. You know, those

585
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:44,160
Speaker 4: things are really beautiful too.

586
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 1: But but yeah, I think it's really it's fun to

587
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,160
Speaker 1: step into other cultures because it really makes you kind

588
00:26:50,200 --> 00:27:11,880
Speaker 1: of evaluate your own norms.

589
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 4: You are.

590
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 2: This is a Sarah Hall fun fact. The only American

591
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 2: athlete in history to win USATF national titles in both

592
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 2: the mile and the marathon.

593
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 3: That's some wild range, Sarah.

594
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 2: When I say that back to you and we think

595
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 2: about that transition moving away from the track and going

596
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 2: out onto the roads, where's their fear and that decision

597
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 2: on your part a little bit, I.

598
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: Think just because you never know what's possible ahead, And

599
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 1: I think it's the same thing that kind of keeps

600
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 1: me in the sport now, right, is like you never

601
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 1: know what might be ahead, and so I think on

602
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 1: the track, like, I still loved being fast and sprinting,

603
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 1: like I was a fifteen hundred meter runner for a while,

604
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: So I think moving to the marathon, like you're like,

605
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 1: but I like to sprint and like do all out

606
00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:58,160
Speaker 1: two hundreds.

607
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 4: And it was really just a breath of friends shared it.

608
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,439
Speaker 1: I've always loved cross country, and I feel like the

609
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: roads is kind of like our equivalent of cross country.

610
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:06,919
Speaker 1: So when I kind of framed it that way in

611
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 1: my mind, I was more excited.

612
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 2: And you also love running on the trails a huge

613
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 2: part of what you get to do regularly as a

614
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 2: part of your training. Growing up, you would do a

615
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 2: lot of trail running kind of in a maybe a

616
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 2: different way than a conventional runner. For you, what is

617
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 2: it about being able to be outside and be on

618
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 2: the trails that really gives back to you and really

619
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 2: aligns with your spirit.

620
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 1: I really love how you have to be really present

621
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: in the trails, Like it's like you have to be

622
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:36,919
Speaker 1: looking at your steps or you'll trip right. And so

623
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: I feel like there's like a meditativeness of that where

624
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: maybe on a wider road or even more even surface,

625
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: like you want to be listening to music or podcasts

626
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 1: or you kind of be thinking about other stuff, but

627
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 1: the trails kind of keep you really present. And also, yeah,

628
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: like you said, brings me back to kind of my

629
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 1: roots in the sport and how I fell in love

630
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 1: with the sport. And so yeah, I would love to

631
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:57,719
Speaker 1: race in the trails at some point, and I think

632
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: that that day's coming closer, but yeah, for now, I

633
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: try to train in them when I can.

634
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 3: I would love to race in the trails some point.

635
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 2: There is like this like narrative going on with like

636
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 2: women marathon rs that like, once you decide that you

637
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 2: just don't want to run marathons anymore, I would be like, Okay,

638
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 2: maybe I'll go back to has or five k's, and

639
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 2: then all these elites are like I'm going to hit

640
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 2: the trails, which is just wild to me because it's

641
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 2: like I'm just gonna keep going forever. That is just

642
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 2: the mentality that it requires to be out there on

643
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 2: your feet for such a long time I think is

644
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 2: really beautiful. What you're doing is already like so incomprehensible

645
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 2: for so many They like, you run how far?

646
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 3: How fast? That's so crazy?

647
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 2: But then the desire to continue to challenge yourself in

648
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 2: this new way I think is really impressive. What is

649
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 2: it about the curiosity that goes.

650
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 3: Hand in hand with that? Have you always been a

651
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 3: curious person?

652
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 4: Oh? Yeah, I think so.

653
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: I've always been someone similar to Ryan where we like

654
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: to push ourselves physically to like like when I was

655
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:00,479
Speaker 1: a young kid, I'd be like, I'm going to try

656
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 1: to rollerblade to the beach today and it's like thirty

657
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 1: miles from my house, you know, like just something like that.

658
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: Like now that I have kids, I'm like, yeah, I

659
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,719
Speaker 1: guess that wasn't normal because they don't say that stuff.

660
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think I think that's still there where

661
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, I wonder what one hundred male Reice

662
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 1: would feel like, you know, yeah.

663
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 4: But a lot of it is the process too.

664
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 1: Like Ryan's running a lot in the trails and he

665
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 1: just comes back and he's like, you don't know what

666
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 1: you're missing out there? It's like so amazing, and so

667
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: a lot of it is just knowing you would enjoy

668
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: that process too.

669
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, what else are you curious about right now, like

670
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 2: beyond the trails, whether it's about running or maybe it's

671
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 2: not about running, what is interesting you?

672
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, curious as far as running to see how

673
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: good I can still be in my forties, for sure.

674
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 4: I think that's kept me going.

675
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 1: I'm also really working right now to start our very

676
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 1: own project in Ethiopia. There's over sixty thousand kids living

677
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: on the streets just in the capital city alone, and

678
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: so up till now, we've supported other organizations through our charity,

679
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: the Whole Steps Foundation, that are doing work with these kids.

680
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: But we're in the process of starting our own project

681
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: and so yeah, it's it's a big learning curve as

682
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 1: we hire staff, and so I'm I'm excited. It's also like,

683
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 1: you know, it's gonna be challenging, like working with the

684
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: government there and everything can be challenging. But I just

685
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: had a moment where, you know, we're I was out

686
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 1: there training last December and we're driving by a warehouse

687
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: and there was like over a thousand kids in this

688
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 1: warehouse that.

689
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 4: The government had just kind of like rounded up and

690
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 4: put in there.

691
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 1: And it was it was just a moment where you're like,

692
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 1: I'm not okay with this, like like not on my

693
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: watch kind of moment, you know. And so so yeah,

694
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: we're gonna be doing job training, housing rehabilitation, and career

695
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 1: like training and everything for these kids is kind of

696
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: the vision. So so yeah, I'm excited and curious like

697
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: about that process.

698
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 2: It's so cool to hear you say, I saw this thing,

699
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 2: I wasn't okay with it. I knew I wanted to

700
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 2: do something about it. The difference between you and many

701
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 2: is there's that desire to do something about it, and

702
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 2: then there's taking the initiative and asking the questions so

703
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 2: that you can. Can you talk a little bit about

704
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 2: that process of one goes about asking the right questions

705
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 2: in this circumstance because to your point, such a crazy

706
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 2: learning curve.

707
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good point, because you know, starting a

708
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: project isn't always the answer, right. I think, like number one,

709
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 1: it's like supporting local people that are doing the work.

710
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 4: If you can.

711
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: And so I've worked to build relationships in Ethiopia first

712
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: over a number of years, and it was going to

713
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: those people and saying, hey, do you feel like there's

714
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,959
Speaker 1: a need for another project or if we provided funds,

715
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: like can you just scale up what you're doing well,

716
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: you know, and so kind of taking the time to

717
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: do that, having people you really trust that can give

718
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: you an honest answer with that, right, And I feel

719
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 1: really grateful that I've been able to make those relationships

720
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: and and in the end they did encourage us, like, hey,

721
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: let's partner, but yeah, I think there is like a

722
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: need for someone else to come alongside us.

723
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and viewing it that way, viewing it as let's

724
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 2: help each other instead of either assuming that you're gonna

725
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 2: have to do it all or they're going to do

726
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 2: it all and you're not going to be able to

727
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 2: be as actively involved as you want. Like, that's so special,

728
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 2: And I think that that's a really foundational point and

729
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 2: helpful tip for anyone that's looking to start something or

730
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 2: get involved in something. It's like, be okay asking for help.

731
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 2: Someone's probably done something along the lines of whatever it

732
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 2: is that you're interested in doing. So don't be afraid

733
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 2: to ask questions. Yeah, asking and asking questions is going

734
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 2: to be super intimidating as well.

735
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 1: Absolutely Yeah, I think really honoring what people have done

736
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: well too, like is really important and just like I

737
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 1: feel like we've we've really taken the time to like

738
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: do our research there and like really just celebrate people

739
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: because it's definitely challenging and you need a lot of

740
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: courage to take stuff on there.

741
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, courage is such a keyword.

742
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 2: You also mentioned, of course a couple of times now

743
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 2: your book coming out next year.

744
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 3: Congratulations, very exciting. So along those lines.

745
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,760
Speaker 2: Of the title of the book, what would you say

746
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:15,399
Speaker 2: that your personal definition of grind is and has that

747
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:20,280
Speaker 2: evolved maybe as your self compassion has increased as well.

748
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 4: That's a good question. Yeah, I think it has. I

749
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 4: think there's you know, hustle culture was really big for

750
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 4: a while. It's like no days off and like grind

751
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 4: and stuff.

752
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 1: And I don't think that's necessarily what I mean when

753
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,760
Speaker 1: I say grind, but probably was at one point right earlier,

754
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: where it was like just be tougher, just go harder.

755
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 4: And now it's it's not.

756
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: I think like parenting is a grind, right, It's like

757
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 1: it's not always just like stuffed towards your goals, but

758
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: it's it's just realizing like when you're trying to be

759
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 1: excellent at things, when you're trying to show up for people,

760
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 1: when you're parenting kids, coming out of trauma, you know,

761
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 1: all these things, Like it just takes like perseverance. There's

762
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 1: going to be like ups and downs that I talk

763
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: all throughout the book and stuff. There's weather thwarting your

764
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: record attempts, there's doping, there's you know, there's all these things,

765
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: and you have to really have a love for the

766
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: process and like an excitement to just continue to believe

767
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: in what you're doing.

768
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 4: That like keep that hold you through all of it.

769
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 4: You know.

770
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you said the D word. So I'm going

771
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 2: to talk about you've been in races where women who

772
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 2: finished ahead of you were later disqualified for doping, which

773
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 2: meant their victory was fraudulent. What would you say is

774
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:34,240
Speaker 2: the deepest emotional tax that doping takes on a clean

775
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 2: athlete like you. So you've been in the game for

776
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 2: so long, you've been working for so long, we find

777
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 2: out what happens in these awful instances.

778
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 3: How does that impact you emotionally?

779
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you get a mix of emotions, like,

780
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 1: you know, anger, kind of frustration. My mind tends to

781
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: go back to, Yeah, how didn't just impact my race, like,

782
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,439
Speaker 1: but also the training, Like you're dreaming of that race,

783
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: like you're dreaming of what it's going to take to

784
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 1: beat this person.

785
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 4: You know.

786
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 1: It's kind of how much your energy went around that

787
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 1: and you're like, or the expectations that were on you

788
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 1: to beat this person, and then that person was.

789
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 4: They were disappointed with you.

790
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: You know, your mind just kind of starts to replay

791
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: these things, and you know, I try to lead into

792
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 1: empathy and just realize, like I don't know what it's

793
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 1: like to maybe grow up in a country where there's

794
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 1: extreme poverty, like and from a young age, you're really

795
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 1: worried about survival.

796
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 4: You know.

797
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 1: And I mean, of course i'd never condone doping or

798
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: like to a means to that end or something, but

799
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 1: you also just, yeah, I've never lived that before, you know,

800
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: But I wouldn't say empathy is like the first emotion

801
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:43,399
Speaker 1: I go.

802
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 3: To, not the first one.

803
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I you know, I kind of had a

804
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 2: hunch that you would go in that way, And I

805
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 2: think that just shows how strong of a person that

806
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 2: you are and how compassionate of a person that you are.

807
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 2: I definitely think it's entirely understandable also to feel all

808
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 2: of this anger and frustration because you don't work hard

809
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 2: for things not to go as you'd hoped, and then

810
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 2: to get a wrench like that thrown into the mix.

811
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't even I can't even imagine.

812
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I try to remind myself that, like in business,

813
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 1: people are cheating, like in all different areas of business, right,

814
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: and it's like kind of have to be okay with

815
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 1: your performance, like being feeling like you did the absolute best.

816
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: And Bryan was actually always really good at that, like

817
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: he was really good at comparing himself to himself and

818
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 1: almost like of course he wanted to like win every

819
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,839
Speaker 1: major he went out to, but like he he's taught

820
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 1: me a lot about that, and so I think it's that,

821
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: And then it's also just really loving the process. Like

822
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 1: when you love what you're doing, it's not a means

823
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: to that end. And so if that the end result

824
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 1: gets taken away from for some reason, it's not like

825
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: that was all not worth it because you loved it,

826
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 1: you know.

827
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 4: So that's part of it too.

828
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 2: Now for those that may not fully understand or like

829
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 2: know what's happening like right now within the climate of

830
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 2: women's running. Would you say that this seemingly is becoming

831
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 2: something we're seeing more often.

832
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 1: I think what's awesome is like the World Marathon Majors

833
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,959
Speaker 1: are doing a really great job, and Athleics Integrity Unit

834
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: is doing a great job out of competition testing and

835
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 1: with a biological passport. I think it's probably just more

836
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: people getting caught more frequently.

837
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 4: Which is encouraging.

838
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: It's as like angry and frustrating as you are, you're

839
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:32,720
Speaker 1: also have that other emotion of like, yay, this system

840
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 1: is getting better and stuff, So that's encouraging.

841
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 2: And then for those that don't know, so like for instance,

842
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 2: for you, you came in second to a marathon to

843
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 2: someone that now has been found that she doped. With

844
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 2: that circumstance, someone's question is do you get retroactively awarded anything?

845
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 4: Not right now?

846
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: So I think it has to be a positive test

847
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: as far back as when that event happened. So yeah,

848
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: there's no proving that the person was that day or

849
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: like as far back as any other result than from

850
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:06,280
Speaker 1: when they tested positive.

851
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,439
Speaker 4: But I think there could be some change with that too.

852
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: I think as athletes, I think we're wanting to work

853
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 1: with race directors and over policies around these things and

854
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 1: be like, hey, like maybe if you sign something where

855
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 1: you're like, if I ever test positive, like my records

856
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: or my things are going to be wiped. I think,

857
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: you know, every race can decide what they want to do, yeah,

858
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 1: and if you want to run that race, you have

859
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 1: to comply with those rules. So I think maybe we

860
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:33,879
Speaker 1: can see some change there.

861
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 2: I think it would be really special to be able

862
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 2: to have more of that open dialogue between organizers and athletes,

863
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 2: making the athletes feel like they're a more integral part

864
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 2: of the conversation, because without the athletes, there's there's none

865
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 2: of it, right, Yeah, yeah, there's none of it now.

866
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 2: Speaking of the state of sport bigger than that, the

867
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 2: state of women's sports right now, it's a very different

868
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,760
Speaker 2: ballgame right now than it was when you got into

869
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,439
Speaker 2: the mix here. How do you feel about the state

870
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 2: of women's sports as a whole and what is your

871
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 2: kind of hope moving forward.

872
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so exciting to see what's happening and in

873
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: women's sports, and it specifically our sport, Like it's so

874
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: cool to see the depth coming and like these young

875
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: I feel like when I came out of college being

876
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 1: a professional runner. It seemed like it was something only

877
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:21,879
Speaker 1: the top people really took on, or a couple other

878
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 1: brave people wanting to go for it and try to

879
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: be development runners. But now it seems like there's just

880
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 1: so much more depth coming from college that are like, yeah,

881
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 1: I want to run professionally, Like there's less pressure to

882
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: like start a family right away or anything like that.

883
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: Like it's like I love seeing yeah, just girls going

884
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: for it at all ages. And I also love to

885
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: see people like in their forties, like still believing like

886
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: amazing days are ahead and that's really cool too, and

887
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: so so yeah.

888
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 4: It's it's an exciting time.

889
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 1: It's tough, right, it's getting more competitive in the US

890
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 1: and world ride.

891
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,720
Speaker 4: I feel like the marathon in general, but definitely really exciting.

892
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 2: When you think about the women that have help helped

893
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 2: guide you along this sport, How does it feel for

894
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 2: you now to think that, hey, I'm probably this person

895
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 2: for other women coming up as well.

896
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:09,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, gosh, I hope.

897
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,280
Speaker 1: So I mean, yeah, I got really lucky having Dina

898
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: Castor and Jen Ryan's as mentors. They were already in

899
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 1: their like late twenties early thirties when I joined first

900
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,760
Speaker 1: came out of college, and they really helped me learn

901
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: how to take a more professional approach to the sport.

902
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: And and also just like I just learned through their

903
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:30,919
Speaker 1: mentality just watching them too.

904
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 4: So so yeah, I hope I can be that for

905
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 4: other people. I think.

906
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think what's cool about social media is it's

907
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: your You can share more even if you're not in

908
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: the same place, whereas before we didn't have that.

909
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 2: So sometimes the sharing is good and sometimes the sharing

910
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 2: is not so good. Do you feel like, because obviously

911
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 2: that has really, you know, grown in popularity since you

912
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 2: started in this sport, do you feel like for you

913
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,320
Speaker 2: that it has been more of a tool or perhaps

914
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 2: sometimes more of a hindrance when it comes to your

915
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,800
Speaker 2: mindset and showing up and knowing that so many people

916
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 2: are right behind the keyboard to chime in.

917
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:08,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's funny.

918
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: In my book, I taught you see the whole arc

919
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 1: of my relationship with the media or like criticism, online

920
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 1: criticism and stuff like that. When I started in high school,

921
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: like that was a real detriment to me mentally, like

922
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 1: just experiencing myself being like torn apart by people on

923
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 1: an anonymous message board, you know, like.

924
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 3: A tell me more I need to know.

925
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, you'll have to like read it all the

926
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: whole story. But you know, I think I was in

927
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 1: sophomore year and I just it was like the dawn

928
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 1: of the Internet because I was, you know, I'm forty

929
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 1: two now, so but I just stumbled upon it and

930
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 1: it was like pictures of me critiquing my body, like

931
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 1: critiquing like my performance.

932
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 4: And I think it's just at an.

933
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: Age where you're you just want love and belonging as

934
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 1: a high school girl, right, And it was just and

935
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: I wasn't used to the internet, like and so it

936
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:02,879
Speaker 1: was like and something happened in that moment where I realized, oh,

937
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 1: if I fail, I can lose love and belonging from people,

938
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 1: you know. And then I really that was kind of

939
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 1: like the seed of fear and failure that I kind

940
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,839
Speaker 1: of battled for years after that and so so yeah,

941
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 1: and obviously as I grew and matured and now I

942
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: handle it a lot differently.

943
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 4: I don't seek it out. I know how to like

944
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 4: and even if I do come across it, like, I'm tougher,

945
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 4: you know, but I just have a lot of compassion

946
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 4: for that high school girl too. And also I think.

947
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 1: It's good to just learn how to be confident in

948
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: your path to aside from others opinions. And I had

949
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: to deal with family's opinions along my career, you know,

950
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 1: like it's kind of like learning all of those things,

951
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 1: like how do I stay true to my path, like

952
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: regardless of what these voices are saying.

953
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 2: You know, there's no roadmap to doing this, so that's

954
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:53,320
Speaker 2: not lost on me. But I'm sure from your journey

955
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 2: of getting to this place where you understand that your

956
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 2: self worth and your identity is not completely wrapped up

957
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 2: and being a runner, that took a certain special set

958
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 2: of skills and a certain special amount of self talk.

959
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 2: Any tips you can offer someone who may feel like

960
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 2: they are in the struggle point of being really unsure

961
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 2: about their identity and self worth.

962
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think that that's actually a big value

963
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 1: of the process of running something you can get out

964
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 1: of it. Personally, is like learning to find your identity

965
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: in who you are apart from what you do. You know,

966
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 1: and that took me a long time, like into my

967
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 1: professional career to figure that out. For me, it was

968
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 1: my faith was a big part of that like, just

969
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: what does God say about me, like in the Bible

970
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 1: or when I pray, Like what is he saying?

971
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 4: Who I am?

972
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: You know, especially when I'm getting last at the US Nationals,

973
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: I no longer I am getting that like I'm a success

974
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 1: from my performances. So that's where I turned. But also

975
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 1: I think the people that love you no matter what,

976
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:50,839
Speaker 1: can probably tell you to.

977
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 3: How does running make you feel, Sarah.

978
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 4: Happy and alive?

979
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 1: Like I was just I flew in here last night

980
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: and I went out running in Central Park in the darkness,

981
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 1: and I was like just having the best time.

982
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 4: I was like, these are the days. I love this

983
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:23,439
Speaker 4: so much.

984
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 1: And I think, I think that's what's cool is you

985
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: can have that if you tune into the feeling, no

986
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 1: matter what the watch says, no matter what your performance says,

987
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: like you can always have that, you know, and so

988
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: even as you age, even if you know that's what

989
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 1: special is that we can always still come back to

990
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: that feeling.

991
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:46,720
Speaker 2: What else in your life gives you that kind of joy?

992
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 4: Ooh, that's a good question. I think just being in

993
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 4: beautiful places and like being with people you really love,

994
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 4: just having like a collective experience together. I think both

995
00:45:59,280 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 4: of those things.

996
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 2: Do someone comes to your social media and they see

997
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 2: both a loving mother and then also this woman that

998
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:14,720
Speaker 2: has had such an impressive and long successful career within

999
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 2: this sport. But when you look in the mirror, Sarah,

1000
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 2: what is it that you see looking back at you?

1001
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 4: Hmmm, that's a good question.

1002
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 1: I think someone that like just really tried hard, like

1003
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 1: to do the best she could in all areas, and

1004
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: like because she really cared, like cared about people, cared

1005
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 1: about what she was doing.

1006
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, but that also just like really loved the grind

1007
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 4: of it, of all of it, you.

1008
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 3: Know, yeah, the grind of it.

1009
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:45,280
Speaker 2: And again, like I appreciate what you said earlier about

1010
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 2: that time and I remember it well when like hustle

1011
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 2: was like so glorified and now it really more so.

1012
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 2: Is like, are you taking enough time for yourself?

1013
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 3: For you? What does taking time for you typically look like?

1014
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a good question.

1015
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 1: I think a lot of times my run is that

1016
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: time like I want to just go be in the trails,

1017
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 1: like in a beautiful place, like by myself or with

1018
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,839
Speaker 1: the kids or something like. That's what I found is

1019
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 1: like I try to focus on things I.

1020
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 4: Actually enjoy, like doing them with the kids, and.

1021
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,839
Speaker 1: Then it's not just like doing things for them or

1022
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 1: like it's trying to help them with things, but it's

1023
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:28,399
Speaker 1: actually like I actually enjoy them and enjoy the thing

1024
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 1: in the moment. Other than that, Yeah, the running, I

1025
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: feel like is like my passion and the fun part and.

1026
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 3: The fun part.

1027
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 2: It's so funny because I feel as though ninety nine

1028
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 2: percent of time and I'm like, what do you do

1029
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 2: for you?

1030
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 3: Every athlete is like I do my sport.

1031
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,760
Speaker 1: It really is right, It's like, yeah, it's your passion

1032
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 1: and hobby and everything too, as well as your career.

1033
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,359
Speaker 2: I'm sure all the time you get asked, you know,

1034
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 2: for someone that feels as though they could never be

1035
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 2: a runner or I'm no good at this, like how

1036
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 2: do they get out there? So I'm going to bring

1037
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,439
Speaker 2: it to the table for the people listening. Maybe they

1038
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:04,919
Speaker 2: have dabbled in the sport, but they just don't feel

1039
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 2: as though they're good at it.

1040
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:07,879
Speaker 3: What advice do you have to offer them?

1041
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I want to say it's it's never too late.

1042
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 1: Like my mom started running in her mid fifties. She

1043
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 1: ran a half marathon a year in marathon two years

1044
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 1: in and she'd never done sports, never done and I

1045
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: just kept encouraging her. It's like takes a bit to

1046
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 1: get over the hump, and now she's like addicted to it.

1047
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 1: She gets the endorphins, she loves it. I mean it's

1048
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 1: not about yeah, when you say like they don't feel

1049
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:31,760
Speaker 1: like they're good at it, Like, it's not about place

1050
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 1: or pace or anything, right, it's like just the feeling

1051
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 1: you get and the fun of it. And she got

1052
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: there like pretty quickly, So.

1053
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, quickly. And you yourself have had such an evolution.

1054
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 2: Not only do we talk about being great on the

1055
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 2: track and then also on the roads, but when you

1056
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:49,319
Speaker 2: ran your first marathon in twenty fifteen, you ran it

1057
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 2: in two forty eight, and now your personal best is

1058
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 2: almost thirty minutes faster. What do you think is the

1059
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 2: secret sauce to.

1060
00:48:56,000 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 1: That, Oh, underperforming a lot in your first marathon, but

1061
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 1: but also yeah, I think after that I kind of

1062
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: improved just like a minute of marathon every time out.

1063
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 1: So that was each one of those minutes was us

1064
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 1: experimenting and training. Ryan and I was just getting a

1065
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:16,839
Speaker 1: little better at the same things we were doing and

1066
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:20,479
Speaker 1: loving the process, and improvement's addictive. So each one of those,

1067
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 1: like constantly improving just kept me coming back for more.

1068
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 2: It's so crazy because you say we were progressing a

1069
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 2: minute at a time and someone hears that and they're like,

1070
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 2: how do you keep going? And so obviously a big

1071
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 2: part of that is the joy for the journey, right,

1072
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 2: And I'm sure that's something that you've had to learn

1073
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:39,399
Speaker 2: over time, because more often than not, I mean, you're

1074
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 2: giving it your best, but you might not always be

1075
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 2: getting the result that you're after.

1076
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 4: Right for sure.

1077
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's where you can have a lot of

1078
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 1: things for your end result. And so it was really

1079
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 1: like those times that it did, I would tell Ryan, like,

1080
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have changed the thing because I loved every

1081
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:57,799
Speaker 1: bit of the training we did for this race, you know.

1082
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 1: But but yeah, in those races, I guess I did

1083
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: just hit good days and was able to keep the improvements.

1084
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 1: And it wasn't all linear like I would have a

1085
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,359
Speaker 1: couple you know, once it didn't go well.

1086
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 4: But yeah, for the.

1087
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 1: Most part, You're it's more like evaluating it based on

1088
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:17,800
Speaker 1: like if you didn't have the result come all together,

1089
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 1: it's like did we move the ball forward in training?

1090
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 4: And so that's always rewarding.

1091
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 2: You said that you're still in it to win it

1092
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 2: right now, that you're still seeing what's the balance of

1093
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,800
Speaker 2: your potential on the roads as an athlete. I'm curious

1094
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 2: when was the closest that you came to hanging up

1095
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:42,839
Speaker 2: your sneakers. Sounds so weird, but to saying all right,

1096
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 2: maybe I'm done now so far probably in the thick

1097
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Speaker 2: of this really long injury cycle I was in from

1098
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two to twenty twenty three.

1099
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had more days for a year and there

1100
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 1: where I couldn't run than I could, which had never

1101
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: happened to me in the sport, and I was just

1102
00:50:57,560 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 1: not sure my body could do this anymore.

1103
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 4: I was like, you know, maybe, Like.

1104
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:04,760
Speaker 1: I've done this so much longer than I thought I could,

1105
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 1: And I'm really grateful for everything the sport's giving me.

1106
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 4: Like I had a.

1107
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 1: Team that really believed there were more days ahead and

1108
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 1: kept me in it and kept teaching me how to

1109
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: rebuild my body, and so so here I am.

1110
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 3: And yeah, rebuild my body. Elaborate a little bit on that.

1111
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:22,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean it took a lot of strength work,

1112
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: It took a lot of changing my mechanics Yeah, I

1113
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 1: talk a lot about the specifics in my book of

1114
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: that process, but definitely I think as you age, like

1115
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 1: your chassis can start to break down, you know, And

1116
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: so I had to really change how I was running.

1117
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 1: And and it's little things, right, Like it's my form

1118
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:42,839
Speaker 1: isn't like drastically different than it was before, but those

1119
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 1: little things can really help. And yeah, this last build up,

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00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 1: you know, I started with a little bit of a

1121
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:50,720
Speaker 1: foot injury, but the rest of the actual marathon training

1122
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 1: for four months, I didn't miss a single day, you know.

1123
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 1: And so it's it's cool to feel my body handling it.

1124
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:55,879
Speaker 4: Again.

1125
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 2: You haven't worked for twenty years to get to this

1126
00:51:58,640 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 2: point and be like, all right, I'm gonna throw it

1127
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 2: all out the window.

1128
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 3: But you do the best you can of what you have.

1129
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Yeah, it's about the best version of you.

1130
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 4: You know, your type?

1131
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:07,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, your type.

1132
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 2: All right, as we wind down here, Sarah, my question

1133
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 2: for you, what else are you excited about right now?

1134
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 1: I'm excited about this project in Ethiopia. I'm excited about

1135
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:18,399
Speaker 1: my book and just getting to like share so many

1136
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 1: things that I've learned along the ways. Really was my

1137
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 1: heart behind it, Like, and I think in the process

1138
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 1: of the book, I'll get to meet a lot of

1139
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 1: people because I think sometimes we at least hunker down,

1140
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 1: you know, we really focused on performance before the race.

1141
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 1: But it's gonna like allow me to really spend more time.

1142
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 1: And MEB told me, he's like, you're gonna love that

1143
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 1: part of it, and he's he's such a like amazing

1144
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 1: guy with that stuff.

1145
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 4: So yeah, I'm excited to just meet a lot more

1146
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 4: runners out there.

1147
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 3: Why now for the book, Well, I.

1148
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: Started it in twenty twenty just I felt like there

1149
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:49,320
Speaker 1: were things I'd learned in my career that it allowed

1150
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 1: me to have my best year ever that year, even

1151
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 1: though it was a year a lot of people were

1152
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: struggling and with motivation and things like that. But I

1153
00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 1: really felt like my story wasn't done and so I

1154
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 1: wanted to like see it unfold a little bit more.

1155
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 1: And it's still not done now, but I still I

1156
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 1: wanted to write it at a time where I was

1157
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 1: still doing a lot of road racing and could like

1158
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 1: still yeah, like be able to be at a race

1159
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 1: to race but also do stuff with meeting people and stuff.

1160
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 3: So yeah, you still wanted to be in the mix.

1161
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, And I think it just felt like time. Yeah.

1162
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:25,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, you gotta trust your gut, right, uh huh.

1163
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 2: Right, now you have an opportunity to offer yourself a

1164
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:29,240
Speaker 2: piece of advice.

1165
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 3: I want to go back to.

1166
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 2: I mean, you so beautifully talked about that time where

1167
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 2: you were like, Ryan is succeeding. I just don't know

1168
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 2: if this is working for me. What are we doing here?

1169
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,439
Speaker 2: I am leaning one way he is taking off. What's

1170
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 2: going on right now? Knowing what you know now about life,

1171
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 2: about yourself, you have the opportunity to offer that version

1172
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 2: of you a piece of advice.

1173
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 3: What would you tell her?

1174
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:59,800
Speaker 1: Enjoy the moment, Like, enjoy this fun ride with Brian

1175
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 1: and know that, like your moments are coming and just

1176
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 1: keep in join the process, enjoyed the journey, and like

1177
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:07,840
Speaker 1: just wait and be patient.

1178
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 3: Be patient, same kind of advice.

1179
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 2: When we think about the hurdle moment of you navigating

1180
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:14,720
Speaker 2: that injury twenty twenty two.

1181
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you're gonna get back to being able to

1182
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 1: trust your body again and you're gonna learn.

1183
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:22,879
Speaker 4: So much about yourself in the process. So hang in.

1184
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 3: There, Hang in there.

1185
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 2: There is nothing worse than wanting to do something and

1186
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 2: knowing that it's not on your best interest.

1187
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, like nothing worse.

1188
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 4: It's tough.

1189
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:35,720
Speaker 2: It is tough, and I think that that's a true

1190
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 2: skill to be able to exercise that restraint and also

1191
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 2: like a level of maturity that is, like it doesn't

1192
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:45,799
Speaker 2: matter how old you get, like you always struggle with it.

1193
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's true.

1194
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 2: Oh okay, Sarah Hall, I'm so glad that you were

1195
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 2: able to come in today. For those that aren't following

1196
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 2: along with you just yet, give me the details. Where

1197
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:57,399
Speaker 2: do they keep up with you? At your Instagram all

1198
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 2: that stuff? Okay, Yeah, my Instagram's at Sarah s A.

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Speaker 4: R A. Hall the number three. Yeah, I'm on the

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00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 4: other platforms at that too.

1201
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:07,360
Speaker 3: Why three?

1202
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 4: Actually it's a that's funny story.

1203
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:12,839
Speaker 1: There's a Bible verse about like a quard of three

1204
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 1: strands is not easily broken and Ryan I always liked

1205
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 1: that one. It was like us and God like together,

1206
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 1: like if we stay close to God, like we're gonna

1207
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 1: keep our connections stronger and stuff.

1208
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 4: So and then it just stuck. Ever since.

1209
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Speaker 2: I'm over at Emily a Body and at Hurdle Podcast

1210
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 2: Another Hurdle Conquered.

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Speaker 3: Catch you guys next time.