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Speaker 1: My guest today is Eliza Schlessinger, comedian and writer. You've

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Speaker 1: probably seen Eliza's hilarious stand up specials on Netflix or

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Speaker 1: her movie Good on Paper, So I was really excited

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Speaker 1: to have a conversation with Eliza and see what she's

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Speaker 1: like offstage. Today we talk about comedy in the era

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Speaker 1: of cancel culture, the ups and downs being a comedian,

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Speaker 1: and so much more. Enjoy Did I meet you in

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Speaker 1: a comedy club ever? Or no?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: And you starting Good on Paper which did really well

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Speaker 1: on Netflix.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I wrote it all came from a general meeting

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Speaker 2: several years ago. And you know, you don't get very

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Speaker 2: many yeses, like concrete yeses in this business. And even

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Speaker 2: when he gave me yes, I was like, okay, and

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Speaker 2: then hello and behold we made it happen.

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Speaker 1: It's amazing. I know, Hi. I mean, I am a

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Speaker 1: beauty influencer on the side now, as you know, and

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Speaker 1: it's really on the side, like I have another whole

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Speaker 1: business that's not that because I don't wear makeup, as

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Speaker 1: you can see at this time.

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Speaker 2: I wrestle with that. I was like, am I putting

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Speaker 2: on makeup for a podcast? And I've been not doing

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Speaker 2: it because chances are you and I were both doing

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Speaker 2: something before this. Also, like I just keep I was connected,

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Speaker 2: Like what are we doing here? Like? Am I trying

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Speaker 2: to convince the world that I have like a flawless

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Speaker 2: Instagram tune face, Like I don't care who's not on

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Speaker 1: I have no mad Yeah, I mean I want to

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Speaker 1: look fresh, and you know, I'll put I might. This

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Speaker 1: might get posted on social, but I'm out of here.

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Speaker 1: I don't care either. I'm the same as that way.

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Speaker 1: I was just saying in a rant that I am

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Speaker 1: not a vain person, and I would like to be

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Speaker 1: slightly more vain. So then when shico sideways, I could

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Speaker 1: at least look at my face and tell myself what's wrong,

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Speaker 1: because no one else is going to tell me.

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Speaker 2: But that's right, no one else will ever say, especially

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Speaker 2: in La, no one else will ever tell you what's wrong.

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Speaker 3: I called my agent. I'm like, am I weird looking?

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Speaker 2: Is that what?

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Speaker 1: I didn't get it?

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Speaker 3: They were like, no, they love you.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, oh right, I love but I've seen your

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Speaker 2: on TikTok or is it Instagram reels? You're like You're like,

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Speaker 2: I'm calling them, like six second beauty reviews. You're like,

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Speaker 2: I got this a Walgreens crap. Next thing, I got this,

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Speaker 2: call me, I have a billion dollars. This is a dollar.

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Speaker 2: I love it. Next like it's super low fi. I'm like,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure people are sitting there like writing down.

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Speaker 1: I know. No, everyone's like not me at CBS dot

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Speaker 1: dot dog it's really fun. I enjoy it.

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Speaker 2: I don't.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know how to do my makeup before January. First,

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Speaker 1: I decided to learn about it and I just did

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Speaker 1: this weird thing and now it's a thing. It's like

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Speaker 1: a thing thing, you know, it's funny. I was talking

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Speaker 1: to Toe for Grace the other day about like levels

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Speaker 1: of fame. He's the best levels of fame where you're famous,

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Speaker 1: but like you still can have a life and you

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Speaker 1: can go out and you're like, you know, are you niche?

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Speaker 1: I'm niche? Like, so I was wondering if, like how

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Speaker 1: famous are you? What is your life in LA? And

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Speaker 1: let's do LA and then let's do the like the

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Speaker 1: rest of the country, Like how on a one to

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Speaker 1: ten if Madonna's a ten or if Tom Cruise is

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Speaker 1: high school gym teacher is a zero. How famous are

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Speaker 1: you in your mind? Like with reality, like people coming

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Speaker 1: on your mind saying or I was saying I saw

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Speaker 1: your Netflix special or all that stuff.

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Speaker 2: I think if you have to ask how famous are you,

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Speaker 2: it kind of answers the question. And I also think

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Speaker 2: there's famous within certain groups. You know, like you were

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Speaker 2: on Real Housewives. But you're a business woman, so that

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Speaker 2: tends to permeate other circles that a woman with like

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Speaker 1: Well you also, but yeah, you've been in movies, you're

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Speaker 1: in a Netflix special. So I'm asking you, like a

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Speaker 1: going to be bothered or you can have boence.

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Speaker 3: It Bothered isn't the word, but you know, people come

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Speaker 3: up to you.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not gonna list off like in the

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Speaker 3: But it's usually like it's usually.

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Speaker 2: A girl will just be like are you and I'll

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Speaker 3: It's me and then they get excited, or a.

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Speaker 2: Dude will be like, oh do you know the three

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Speaker 2: other male comics? Awzoom. It happens, but you have to

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Speaker 2: be at a serious level of fame for it to

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Speaker 2: actually be a hassle like right, and and there are

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Speaker 3: It's never been a bother.

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Speaker 2: Has it been creepy at times, sure, but it's never

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Speaker 2: like please my family and I just want to eat

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Speaker 2: at all of garden and privacy. Please.

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Speaker 1: So it's a nice level. So you have a nice

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Speaker 1: like it's a little sizzle, but you could have your

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Speaker 1: own life and have be annoyed if you're walking through

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no annoyance because also, I don't know, I

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Speaker 2: think people forget in this day and age, like especially

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Speaker 2: as a stand up as a performer, like you have

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Speaker 2: nothing without your fans. This isn't based on anything else.

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Speaker 2: This isn't like you put money in.

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Speaker 3: The market and that's what did it.

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Speaker 2: Like you should be respectful of the fact that these

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Speaker 2: people take time and money out of their lives to

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Speaker 3: You know, so I always you always give them time

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Why did you say selfish art?

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Speaker 2: Because stand up is this your if you're a performer,

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Speaker 2: you know this comes from a place like hey, I

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Speaker 2: saying it's not like I'm a doctor or I'm doing

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Speaker 2: humanitarian aide. Okay, no, Like at the end of the night,

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Speaker 2: it's stand up.

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Speaker 1: So do you feel like you're a comedian first and

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Speaker 1: foremost and that was what you wanted to be or

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Speaker 1: you wanted you saw the whole board and you wanted

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Speaker 1: wanted to be in movies, Like what was the trajectory

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Speaker 2: I was always going to be funny for a living.

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Speaker 2: And when you grow up somewhere like Dallas, Texas, like

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Speaker 2: loath to say. And so when I started doing stand

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Speaker 2: but there are people who put in ten thousand hours

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Speaker 2: and really work at auditioning, and I'm putting in that

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Speaker 2: So I always wanted to be funny for a living.

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Speaker 2: And sometimes that's in stand up, sometimes it's in a movie,

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Speaker 2: sometimes it's in writing. You know, as an artist, you

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Speaker 2: just want to keep creating and affecting people. And I

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Speaker 1: But yeah, and your trajectory was getting up on stage

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Speaker 2: Taking no no. I went to school in Boston and

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Speaker 2: Like I had an office job. I was someone's terrible assistant.

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Speaker 2: But this is something you know, you talk about side

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Speaker 2: And it worked out, and so here we are at

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Speaker 1: So you got the hit, you liked it, and you

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Speaker 1: started doing it like every just going every night and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, there is no so people always ask

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Speaker 2: advice like it's you got to just do it. It's

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Speaker 1: It's being a it's being somebody who's in a kitchen

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Speaker 1: repetition and keep going through and trying different ways. It's interesting,

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Speaker 2: A chef and it's and you know, so there is

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Speaker 2: there's my husband's chef. So we initially bonded over the

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Speaker 2: there is I don't think people understand when you're building

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Speaker 3: You love it so much even when it's the most painful,

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Speaker 2: Just keep going. And it's not even about if people

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Speaker 1: Book, well it's funny because I don't know if everybody

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Speaker 1: I've met so much any successful comedians, whether it's Kim

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Speaker 1: don't know why I've always gravitated towards the comedy space.

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Speaker 1: I mean probably because as a kid, I was watching

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Speaker 1: you know, Eddie Murphy and watching Richard Pryor, and I

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Speaker 1: I did it at New York Comedy Club ten days later.

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Speaker 1: After calling some of these people that I told you about,

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Speaker 1: ellen to ask like what tips everybody had, and each

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Speaker 1: and it was like I was crowdsourcing to figure out

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Speaker 1: how I would do it. I think it was Kim

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Speaker 1: Whitley or Kevin. I think it was Kim Whitley who

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Speaker 1: decided or asked me, like what was my style? Like

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Speaker 1: she was like or Kevin might have asked that, but

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Speaker 1: she said, you're you rant, like you just are aggravated

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Speaker 1: we were talking. I was talking to Kevin Neale about

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Speaker 1: that it's Cameron Diaz in that movie in my best

435
00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:05,840
Speaker 1: friend's wedding, when she was the worst at the karaoke

436
00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:09,360
Speaker 1: but she just committed. I think commitment gets you.

437
00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:11,600
Speaker 2: A really think. I think it also helps to look

438
00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:13,840
Speaker 2: like Cameron Diaz, Like people were like, oh, you accidentally

439
00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:14,480
Speaker 2: ran me over.

440
00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:16,320
Speaker 3: It's okay, you're stunning.

441
00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:20,879
Speaker 1: Right, No, but no, look, Amy Schumer's beautiful, but Diaz

442
00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:23,200
Speaker 1: was a model. But Amy Schumer committed in the movie

443
00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:26,800
Speaker 1: that movie was it? What was I feel pretty. When

444
00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:28,679
Speaker 1: she got up in that strip tease, she committed. She

445
00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:30,560
Speaker 1: was a disaster, but she committed. I'm saying, I think

446
00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:33,120
Speaker 1: commitment in comedy and in life goes a long way

447
00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:35,200
Speaker 1: being just like dedicated to what you're doing.

448
00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:47,440
Speaker 2: Well.

449
00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:49,679
Speaker 1: People are being so people are being similar to that

450
00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:52,000
Speaker 1: on social media though, which is why I find it interesting,

451
00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:55,480
Speaker 1: Like people, Oh, is it being so that people? It's

452
00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:58,480
Speaker 1: so immediate, so raw, like because you're saying right, then

453
00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:03,200
Speaker 1: you're exposed and it's so vulnerunerable. And other places people

454
00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:06,240
Speaker 1: will just say something and then walk away from it

455
00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,000
Speaker 1: because it's not so like the person's not right in

456
00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:09,879
Speaker 1: front of you, not laughing. That's what I'm saying, Like

457
00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:12,760
Speaker 1: it's so just, it's so like there's no middleman. You're

458
00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:14,879
Speaker 1: not just putting it up somewhere, you're not posting it.

459
00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:17,679
Speaker 1: It's not in a movie. It's you and the audience.

460
00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:22,600
Speaker 2: There's no literally no filter, like there's literally and you

461
00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:26,160
Speaker 2: know that's why there's different social media too, Like Instagram

462
00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:29,800
Speaker 2: is very different than TikTok, which is hyper raw, hyper honest,

463
00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:33,040
Speaker 2: and they want that experience that generation does because I

464
00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:36,640
Speaker 2: just obsessively watch both. But that's why you know, people

465
00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:39,640
Speaker 2: are very brave in a comment section, people are very brave.

466
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Speaker 2: It's very easy to come out and call someone a

467
00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:43,800
Speaker 2: name or say they did something wrong. It's very easy

468
00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:44,160
Speaker 2: to do.

469
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Speaker 3: That behind the anonimity of a handle.

470
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Speaker 2: So that's why you can't really argue with the comment section,

471
00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:50,840
Speaker 2: because who the fuck is that person? And for better

472
00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:52,639
Speaker 2: or for worse, stand up comics have the guts to

473
00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,320
Speaker 2: say what they want to say and stand there in

474
00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:58,879
Speaker 2: front of strangers, and and you take that risk because

475
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Speaker 2: you know that what you have to say, at least

476
00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,120
Speaker 2: for me, there's an honesty and a beauty behind it,

477
00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,399
Speaker 2: and you're coming from a good place.

478
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Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about comedy that lands and doesn't. And

479
00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:12,240
Speaker 1: that could be the difference between cancelation and not. I mean,

480
00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:16,280
Speaker 1: by many other people's definitions, Dave Chappelle would have been

481
00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:18,960
Speaker 1: canceled ten times because of the things that he is

482
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Speaker 1: capable of saying, because he's such a wordsmith and a

483
00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:26,320
Speaker 1: craftsman and just like probably that to me is probably

484
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Speaker 1: the best ever. He's like amazing male comedian, even rivaling

485
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Speaker 1: Eddie Murphy and and Richard Dreyfus. But other people, you know,

486
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Speaker 1: Michael Richards, will be in you know, in a comedy

487
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Speaker 1: club and say something and be canceled forever.

488
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Speaker 2: These are two very different things. I mean, just in

489
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Speaker 2: case your audience doesn't know, referring to when Michael Richards,

490
00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:50,879
Speaker 2: who played Kramer couldn't handle a heckle, was at the

491
00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,040
Speaker 2: laugh Factory, so I know what that crowd is, and

492
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Speaker 2: he just went on a racist ran.

493
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Speaker 3: He just kept saying and weord over and over.

494
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Speaker 2: You can say things that are UNPC, but make sure

495
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Speaker 2: it's funny.

496
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Speaker 3: He wasn't saying a joke like you may as well

497
00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:04,280
Speaker 3: just be on the street.

498
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Speaker 2: So that's and that happens like that was just pure

499
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Speaker 2: You lost your cool.

500
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Speaker 1: I understand what you're saying. It wasn't part of an

501
00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,439
Speaker 1: act that bombed. It wasn't part of it was a

502
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,200
Speaker 1: just a criticism. That's a great that's a great note.

503
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:19,639
Speaker 1: So Dave Chappelle is saying things within a context and

504
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Speaker 1: crafting a story.

505
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Speaker 2: And look, he gets faulted for saying things too. People

506
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Speaker 2: get outraged. People are very protective over what they are everybody.

507
00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:31,400
Speaker 2: Nobody has a problem laughing at everyone else. But when

508
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:33,959
Speaker 2: it's about you, oh it's about women, or it's about

509
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Speaker 2: my ethnic group or my religion. Then people get very barbed,

510
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Speaker 2: and I understand that without getting into specifically what Dave said.

511
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,320
Speaker 2: You know, I have my own thoughts about trans jokes,

512
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,639
Speaker 2: and I put them up there with oven jokes, like

513
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:46,400
Speaker 2: I don't like them. I don't do them. I don't

514
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,520
Speaker 2: think they're funny. That being said, if you got a

515
00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:53,200
Speaker 2: good one, okay, But I always look at intention and context,

516
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,040
Speaker 2: you know, And I think we go around getting very

517
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Speaker 2: upset without watching, without understanding those things, and people getting

518
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 2: canceled up and right the market dictates, right the market.

519
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Speaker 1: It's exactly what I've said things right now that a

520
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,439
Speaker 1: year ago I would have gotten destroyed, for I did

521
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Speaker 1: get destroyed, and then said the same thing a year later.

522
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Speaker 1: Timing the tides where people are, I think we're coming

523
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Speaker 1: out of a time of hyper hyper sensitivity and entering

524
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Speaker 1: a time of truth right now. I feel like there's

525
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 1: a lot of truth telling right now, and people would

526
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 1: rather see warts and all and unfiltered than saccer and

527
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Speaker 1: fear based bullshit.

528
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Speaker 2: I think it's then I gotta be like I believe

529
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Speaker 2: in and overcorrect. So I'm okay with what has happened,

530
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 2: because for so long it was just so unacceptable the

531
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,119
Speaker 2: way women were treated conversation about people of color, things

532
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,359
Speaker 2: like that get like certain words and slurs.

533
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Speaker 3: I like these people that we have a voice.

534
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Speaker 2: It was heard. But now as we come back to

535
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Speaker 2: something in the middle, you know this outrage culture, you

536
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 2: always have to look at who is outraged. And I

537
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 2: always joke because I was going to make a TikTok

538
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Speaker 2: about this, and I talked about this. I did a

539
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Speaker 2: Netflix taping. White people are always trying to outwoke each other,

540
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:06,920
Speaker 2: hoping that like a black person will be like, wow,

541
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Speaker 2: she gets it.

542
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Speaker 3: They're not gonna You're not gonna get a gold star.

543
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 2: So you, as a white woman flipping the fuck out

544
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 2: about being anti racist on another white woman, it's just

545
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,440
Speaker 2: do the work, do the real voting, have the real conversations.

546
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 2: But a lot of it I call it performative ethics.

547
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 2: And this is not just white women. I'm just giving

548
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:28,119
Speaker 2: you an example. It's rarely about correction and education, and

549
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:31,359
Speaker 2: it's always about burning someone and canceling someone.

550
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Speaker 3: It would be delicious. I sa one of your followers

551
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 3: to find.

552
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:36,920
Speaker 2: You and be like Jethany Frankel said this about so

553
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,640
Speaker 2: and so, let's watch her burn versus.

554
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,879
Speaker 3: Privately dming you like, hey, Bethany, you said this one thing.

555
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Speaker 2: I just want to let you know this affects these people,

556
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 2: but nobody does that.

557
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,399
Speaker 1: Just say sorry, Everyone say I'm sorry, I fucked up,

558
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:49,120
Speaker 1: I did something wrong.

559
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,400
Speaker 2: Tell me this isn't wrong. But also, by the way,

560
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,640
Speaker 2: you notice, none of this is happening in a real space.

561
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 2: This is all happening on like web free, like this

562
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,440
Speaker 2: is all happening in the comment section of an app.

563
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 2: Nobody has the balls to see this person and say

564
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,880
Speaker 2: something to them in person because people are gutless and

565
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 2: bored and on the toilet. That's what this is. It's

566
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 2: easy to try to cancel someone because well I didn't.

567
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:15,439
Speaker 3: Like her and she offended me this one time, so

568
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,920
Speaker 3: she should burn because people are unhappy people.

569
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Speaker 1: It's shot and fried. I agree if i'm I want

570
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,239
Speaker 1: to be doing that? Yeah, I agree, And they wait.

571
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 1: And it's like a host and parasites that when something

572
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,679
Speaker 1: you do something wrong, all the parasites like flee to

573
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,439
Speaker 1: the host to like suck off the blood and literally

574
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Speaker 1: the moment.

575
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Speaker 3: All you have to do is either give it no

576
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Speaker 3: oxygen or post something else, and the angry mob will

577
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,639
Speaker 3: pick up their pitchforks and they will go try to

578
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:44,200
Speaker 3: eat each other.

579
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Speaker 1: Yes, there's a timing to it, because you can poke

580
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,440
Speaker 1: the bear, but there is like, yeah, yeah, you have to.

581
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 1: You have to let it fucking breathe for a second too.

582
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,680
Speaker 1: It's it's insane when happens and you think it's real

583
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 1: and it's usually not real, and brands are scared and

584
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:00,479
Speaker 1: it gets to be this crazy thing. But so how

585
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 1: much what percentage of your life in creativity are you

586
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 1: a little afraid? Like how much do you have to

587
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: hold back? There's no way I can't speak for you.

588
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 1: You saying every single thing that comes to your mind.

589
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 1: You say it, no, no.

590
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 2: But I do. I think it's not even about I'm

591
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,719
Speaker 2: not good at maths, So it's not about quantifying as

592
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 2: much as when I have a thought, like what's the

593
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,680
Speaker 2: kernel of that thought? And then how do we contextualize

594
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 2: it so that what I'm saying can have can be

595
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 2: misconstrued the least you know, what's the right way to

596
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 2: do this?

597
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 3: Who do we talk to in this joke? What words

598
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 3: do we choose?

599
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 2: And that is when we get to the craft of

600
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,880
Speaker 2: stand up and of comedy, whether it's comedy writing too

601
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,919
Speaker 2: versus just being the funny friend because I'm not a

602
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 2: fan of like, oh.

603
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 3: I have no filter. I just say whatever.

604
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,879
Speaker 2: It's like, No, this is a crap, Like there's a

605
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 2: reason you laugh at a joke and it's not an accident.

606
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 2: It was the words chosen, the numbers chosen, Like there

607
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 2: is an alchemy to this.

608
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:56,440
Speaker 1: No, yeah, of course.

609
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,919
Speaker 2: And so when you're making these points, you know, you

610
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,120
Speaker 2: can make a slop people of point where you can

611
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 2: really hone in, Like the bad pitch is what I

612
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 2: was talking about with the woke stuff. I'm like, it's

613
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,880
Speaker 2: a woke off. It's about being scared that you will

614
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 2: be called racist. Sometimes it's not even about doing the work.

615
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 2: It's just nobody wants to look bad, you know. So

616
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,360
Speaker 2: just being specific with your words, well that's.

617
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 1: By the way, in every business meeting, in every deal,

618
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 1: the truth is I have said things that could easily

619
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,159
Speaker 1: be said in another way. You just didn't catch it.

620
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: You just you could get the same exact point across.

621
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,439
Speaker 1: And not everything needs to be said. Sometimes something's just

622
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,919
Speaker 1: bugging me, and I know I'm going to get slapped

623
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:35,399
Speaker 1: a little for it, but I want to say it.

624
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 1: But how am I going to say it, you know,

625
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: so I think that's important too.

626
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 2: It's also you know, you're a woman, so whatever you

627
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 2: say or don't say, cannon will be used against you.

628
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 2: And so look, you take in all the stuff I

629
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 2: write about this endlessly. You can't let it drive you crazy.

630
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 2: You know. People could look at this conversation and be like,

631
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 2: they're two women. They're talking too fast. You know. At

632
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,880
Speaker 2: the end of the day, we all just do our best,

633
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 2: and we all forget that other people are doing their

634
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 2: best and we're judging them. And so it really is like,

635
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 2: how do you just like feel okay about yourself when

636
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,360
Speaker 2: you're not being told by others you're doing a good job.

637
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,719
Speaker 2: I don't have that answer. I feel bad a lot

638
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 2: of times, but you just do it your best, you know.

639
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, in the words of Kathy Griffin, you can't

640
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: be who you're not. But social media you nodded when

641
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 1: I said it's not for therapy. Have you noticed what

642
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 1: I've noticed. We've see people really emoting and I'm going

643
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 1: through a really hard time right now, Like this is

644
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,639
Speaker 1: the worst it's ever been. This is my low and

645
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, why are you, like you're calling me when

646
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 1: this is your low. We don't know each of them.

647
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 2: I think there is that vulnerability and like I can't

648
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 2: talk to the people around me, so I'm just gonna

649
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 2: share with strangers because there is that lighter side where

650
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 2: like strangers will give you that positivity.

651
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Speaker 1: Your mother's gonna that's dangerous. That's a dangerous game.

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Speaker 2: What's dangerous also is and I talk about this. I

653
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Speaker 2: have a chapter in a book called everything is a Scam.

654
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I say all the time, everything's a scam.

655
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Speaker 1: That's that's always saying it's a scam.

656
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Speaker 2: It's you're a New Yorker and I'm from New York,

657
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Speaker 2: but I'm really but I was raised in Dallas, Texas,

658
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 2: but I have that very East Coast everything's a scam.

659
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 2: I just had to talk to an assistant who bought

660
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Speaker 2: me travel insurance. I'm like, what is this eight hundred

661
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Speaker 2: dollars and she was like, I didn't know. I'm like,

662
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Speaker 2: you're just a baby. It's a scam. You know, we

663
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 2: all want to help. I actually donated a lot to

664
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Speaker 2: your charity because you were doing a lot of like

665
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Speaker 2: boots on the groundwork in Ukraine. So I reposted your

666
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Speaker 2: charity because like I don't know you, but I was like,

667
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 2: I know her, I trust her. So I did, but

668
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 2: I was like, I know that's not a scam. But

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Speaker 2: a lot of times people post and like your heart,

670
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 2: your heart hurts, and you're like, I want to help,

671
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 2: And then you're like, how do I know this person's real?

672
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Speaker 3: How do I know this is going to the right thing?

673
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Speaker 2: How do I know this is not a bullshit charity?

674
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Speaker 2: And so people are constantly reaching out and you're like,

675
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Speaker 2: it's not that I don't want to help you, it's

676
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Speaker 2: that I think you might be lying to me. And

677
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Speaker 2: it love that.

678
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Speaker 1: You're saying that, because I love that you're saying that,

679
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 1: because in in philanthropy it is the most scam ridden

680
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Speaker 1: place ever and it's a lot of celebrities posting links

681
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Speaker 1: directing to other people that are controlling the entire charity,

682
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Speaker 1: and they just post the link because it looks like

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Speaker 1: you're the cue picture of a koala with oil on it,

684
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Speaker 1: you know, from a spill.

685
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Speaker 2: Then you get dinged, you know, you get dinged for

686
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 2: how you participate and how you don't. So I post something,

687
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 2: I'm like, you know, help the people of let's say Ukraine.

688
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 2: Oh my god, So you don't care about these and

689
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 2: these people. Oh you didn't do this, and you're just

690
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 2: like or man, you do still have a business. I

691
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 2: have a platform to talk about this because of comedy,

692
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 2: So we do have to get back to that. So

693
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Speaker 2: you post postpos in the next day, it's like, where's

694
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Speaker 2: your posting about that?

695
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Speaker 1: By the way, beyond like it makes us all have

696
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Speaker 1: to be doing what we think we're supposed to be doing, right,

697
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 1: versus what we're actually passionate about doing. Like I on

698
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Speaker 1: the same day, let's say a week, I could raise

699
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Speaker 1: a million dollars in a week with Ukraine, but also

700
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Speaker 1: put on hair and makeup and eyelashes and sit down

701
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Speaker 1: and do this podcast and also do something bank some

702
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Speaker 1: superficial content. Now, I mean I post the superficial content

703
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Speaker 1: that I'm banking because I know that that's like uote

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Speaker 1: unquote tone death. But why I'm a mother and I work,

705
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Speaker 1: I am, I have air mez bags and I send

706
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Speaker 1: relief to Ukraine.

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Speaker 3: Right, It's not like it's.

708
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Speaker 2: Not like you're live streaming yourself from a funeral. Like

709
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 2: you have a sense of decorm and you are a

710
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 2: multifaceted person. Moreover, this is what is required of us

711
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Speaker 2: in order to have the platform so that we can

712
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Speaker 2: be judged, and so I would take it with a

713
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 2: grain of salt, you know. And I usually it's ignore

714
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 2: those people. But I even talk about it in my

715
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Speaker 2: book How It's Why you can't live for other people.

716
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: Now facts, because the truth is I talked about the

717
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: luxury giveaway scams with and it was the week that

718
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 1: the Ukraine War broke out, and for me, I was

719
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 1: looking at Ukraine. So when I saw the Kim Kardashian

720
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Speaker 1: million dollars in air mez and Gucci boxes, I was like,

721
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 1: what the fuck? But she's doing what she does. She

722
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 1: got paid probably a million dollars or twenty million dollars

723
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Speaker 1: and she's doing what she did.

724
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Speaker 2: I don't know.

725
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: I am in Ukraine.

726
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 2: Not to pile on. I do think that family could

727
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 2: stand to do a little bit more public facing, but they.

728
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 1: Could be it's for the reason that it's bullshit.

729
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 2: And by the way, I don't know. They could be

730
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 2: donating millions of dollars to help the seat turtles, and

731
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Speaker 2: I have no idea. I doubt it.

732
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Speaker 3: You tend to know those things.

733
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Speaker 2: I don't know. People who have a lot of money

734
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 2: tend to be very quiet about how they donate these

735
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:17,719
Speaker 2: things because then everyone wants their money.

736
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Speaker 3: I am here in Martha's vinyard. I am seeing that everywhere.

737
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Speaker 2: So I guess at the end of the day, the

738
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 2: lesson is, if you want to hate someone, do it

739
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 2: privately from a burner Instagram account and just wash them

740
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 2: at night, gnawing on your knuckles like I do. But

741
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, you just don't know

742
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 2: if someone's evil or you just you don't know what

743
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 2: they're doing.

744
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think it goes back to that whole

745
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: theme of you figuring out how to say things, and

746
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: in order to do what you do and still have

747
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: a career, you have to figure out how the delivery

748
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Speaker 1: is going to be.

749
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Speaker 2: I also think, you know, there's the way that you

750
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Speaker 2: say it, and then our audiences are very afraid now,

751
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 2: so there's certain buzzwords that you say, like I said Israel.

752
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Speaker 2: I don't remember what I was talking about. I said Israel,

753
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,479
Speaker 2: and the crowd went silent, and I called them out.

754
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, so we can't even say the

755
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Speaker 2: word Israel because you've been taught to answer if you

756
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 2: say black, Oh my god.

757
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 3: I'm like so we can't say the color black.

758
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 2: There is a beauty in calling it out and people realize,

759
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 2: oh my god, my sphincter was clenched, and then we

760
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 2: can all come together.

761
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 3: So there are levels to it.

762
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Speaker 1: You know, it's not about it you're walking into a landmine.

763
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: Sometimes you don't know. For example, I'm I'm. I talked

764
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: very publicly about the Kardashians. I wanted you for a

765
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: long time. I will even use the word I was

766
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: afraid to do it. I was cautious about doing it.

767
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: And the pinata opened up and the candy came out,

768
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: and I was shocked. You'll be shocked with no backlash.

769
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Speaker 1: Think about the reach, Think about the followers, and a

770
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Speaker 1: lot of them are brought. I was shocked that not

771
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Speaker 1: a single no one came in one out of ten

772
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Speaker 1: thousand comments would be like, oh, women not supporting women,

773
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Speaker 1: but nobody was having a problem with it. And if

774
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,359
Speaker 1: I said anything about when I've said anything about anybody else,

775
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: people come. I thought that was interesting, right.

776
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Speaker 2: What I always bothers me about the women not supporting

777
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 2: women comment is it reduces us down to a simple

778
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Speaker 2: gender and it takes away our complexity.

779
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Speaker 3: And so yeah, a lot of times it is you

780
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:21,720
Speaker 3: know you should.

781
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 2: I don't believe in blindly supporting someone based on their chromosomes.

782
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 2: But I also don't believe. Yeah, I agree with you,

783
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 2: but I also I don't believe on hurting them because

784
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 2: of it. I'm a competitive person. I want to I

785
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 2: want to do better than that man and that woman.

786
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 2: I've never seen that as gender. So when someone's like

787
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 2: you didn't support a woman, I'm like, was she funny?

788
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:41,800
Speaker 3: Why would I support a person?

789
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 1: But what if you don't support that? And I support

790
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 1: that woman of course, But yeah, I do not support

791
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Speaker 1: all women.

792
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Speaker 3: You support all people.

793
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Speaker 1: Someone else dogs you're not.

794
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Speaker 2: Some are too wiry, But I think you know.

795
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Speaker 3: I was actually thinking about this the other day.

796
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Speaker 2: My friend Rebecca Sir is like a New York Times

797
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 2: best selling author. She writes sort of like young young adult,

798
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,280
Speaker 2: like romantic not even not a younger, there's like romantic fiction.

799
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 2: It's really fun and she does really well. And I

800
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Speaker 2: always see her books because I'm always in an airport.

801
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Speaker 2: I wouls se her books and I actually get very

802
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Speaker 2: proud and excited, Like there is nothing like when you're

803
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 2: a woman and you have a friend that you genuinely

804
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 2: only want to see succeed and you actually are their

805
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 2: cheerleader versus And I talk about this in my new hour,

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Speaker 2: this glitterized pro girl No so girl girl bough.

807
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Speaker 1: I was like, I'm not a girl bough. What does

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Speaker 1: that even mean? I don't like this, Like.

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Speaker 2: It's all it's all this like weak hand job, like

810
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 2: look empowering women. No, you know what empowers women, equal pay, education,

811
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Speaker 2: pay gap closing, and so there is something too. You know,

812
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 2: we are called upon to like blindly just like love

813
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 2: all of our mama's sister bears. And it's like we

814
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,839
Speaker 2: all have those women in our lives that we love

815
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Speaker 2: and just cannot wait to see and it's so fun

816
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 2: to watch that. And that's what real strength feels like.

817
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 2: And you don't have a ton of that, and that

818
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 2: has nothing to do with who you are. It's just

819
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 2: not everybody is quality and not everybody is worth championing,

820
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 2: and you can't spend time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm fine saying I do not. I support the

822
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: women and men that I support, and that's my own

823
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Speaker 1: body idea.

824
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Speaker 2: Of male comics.

825
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 3: Ask me for help, and I'm like, I can't do it.

826
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Speaker 2: I don't believe in your comedy.

827
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Speaker 1: No, I agree, and you and I very much would

828
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 1: go on for days about this, but we both are

829
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: the same. Whatever someone says, what's it been like being

830
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 1: in business as a woman, And I'm not saying I

831
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Speaker 1: and I know I'm white and I know I'm privileged.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying that I've had to deconstruct it thinking about

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Speaker 1: how men have man explained me. But I never knew

834
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Speaker 1: that word, and I never even knew what it meant.

835
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Speaker 1: I had to recently, since I'm asked the question a

836
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: thousand times. I thought to myself, what And then when

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Speaker 1: a guy talks to me like I'm a junior player,

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Speaker 1: even though we're in the same position, it's something we've

839
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 1: been trained to just accept and don't realize that like

840
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,800
Speaker 1: that's been happened forever, even if it's not so overt.

841
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Speaker 1: But when asked that question, I was like, I never

842
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: thought about being a woman or a man. I just

843
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: cloud through and I'm a strong woman, like I'm a

844
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Speaker 1: strong person. I'm a strong business person. I agree, I

845
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 1: can take on any man in any arena. I don't

846
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 1: care if I'm a woman or a man. That's just me.

847
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Speaker 1: It doesn't mean that there are.

848
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 3: No I don't think it's just I think this is something.

849
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 2: I mean, I feel the exact same way, which is

850
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 2: why I've been trying to be friends with you for

851
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 2: a very long time. Fine, And I was talking to

852
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Speaker 2: my mom about it. You know, there is this premium

853
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 2: we placed now on the female struggle. Like my mom

854
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 2: was a single mom and she and I'll tell you what,

855
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 2: my mom was a single mom for a period and

856
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 2: I never and I'm a very strong minded individual, we

857
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 2: never the word feminism has never come up, had never

858
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Speaker 2: come up my entire It just wasn't talked about in

859
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 2: the nineties. But moreover, I never heard my mother say

860
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:55,439
Speaker 2: anything like any of this, like raw raw feminism, go girl,

861
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 2: any of that stuff. She just did because when you're

862
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 2: actually working and surviving and doing things, you don't have

863
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:04,320
Speaker 2: time to talk about.

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Speaker 1: Mom's not a bumper sticker, You're just exactly it's yeah, exactly.

865
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Speaker 2: So she's just like she's a New Yorker. She's very blunt,

866
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 2: you know, she's very like, not in like a rude way,

867
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 2: just she's just touch. She just gets it. And that's

868
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 2: how I am. And it's only when I got into comedy,

869
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 2: and it's only in La and it isn't show business

870
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 2: that you have to answer for the way that you

871
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 2: always were. How did you get into comedy? Were you

872
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 2: a funny woman woman in comedy? I'm like, I just

873
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 2: did it because no one said I couldn't and no

874
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 2: one said I could, and I didn't think about it,

875
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 2: and I just went. And now I have to contextualize

876
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:37,760
Speaker 2: it like I'm some fierce diva.

877
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 1: That's exactly, that's exactly, and that's a genius. Because I

878
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 1: entered into cocktails. I didn't fucking know anything. I walked

879
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: into a store and saw a thousand I was like,

880
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: why am I doing this now? I didn't know there

881
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 1: was no localorie. I didn't know there was no nothing

882
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: for I didn't know liquor was run by men. I

883
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: never know.

884
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 2: You didn't know what you didn't know, which is a gift, right,

885
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 2: Like I never mattered enough to anyone for anyone to

886
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 2: tell me I sucked, and I never mattered enough for

887
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 2: anyone to say, go do it. My mom was super cool,

888
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 2: but like, and I think when that is just something

889
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 2: you're born with, Like you're like, I'm just gonna go,

890
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna work, it's gonna do it.

891
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 1: Yes, but also it's funny that you just said you

892
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: didn't matter, right, did you have a mentor? What's a mentor?

893
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 1: I didn't know what a mentor was. I would know

894
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: to look for a mentor, and no one woul want

895
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: to mentor me. It was like, that's lingo that we

896
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 1: make up to frame what's happened. That's exactly what you

897
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: just said. That's exactly it. Analle's just to come up

898
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 1: with the best idea, best thing to say about female

899
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: work life balance. I don't fucking know. I do everything

900
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 1: I do wear very well. That's all I know in

901
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: the moment.

902
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 2: That not only that, I mean, that's a skill in

903
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 2: of itself, like stand up is it's a solo sport

904
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 2: if you're a writer, like if you're on a.

905
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 3: TV show, going to be with people, if you're an actor.

906
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 2: But like, it is you in the Delta lounge, if

907
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:50,800
Speaker 2: you're lucky, it is you on a regional flight, it

908
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 2: is you in a hotel, and you you know, and

909
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 2: you have a community, you've got the friends. But when

910
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 2: I started there, I didn't know anyone. No, and I'm

911
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,720
Speaker 2: not saying this out of bitterness. There was no woman

912
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 2: who like reached out to me to be like, I

913
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 2: want to help you. It is a competitive we say, no,

914
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 2: what I mean, it happens, But you're on your own

915
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 2: on a regional flight in Regina, Saskatchewan.

916
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 3: How is someone going to reach you? Like you're no,

917
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 3: you're doing it.

918
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: No, and you're alone. And when you bomb alone, you bomb,

919
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 1: you bomb.

920
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 2: Alone, you die, you die alone. Yeah.

921
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,399
Speaker 1: No, but it's true when I when you sign, I say,

922
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: when you sign the paper, it's your name. There's all

923
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 1: these other people around here and they have all these

924
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 1: decisions they want to make. But I'm always like, it's

925
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 1: my fucking ass. I'm alone, and you're alone on a

926
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 1: plane and on the stage.

927
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 2: It's funny you say that. Like I was talking with

928
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:38,760
Speaker 2: my team, you know, we were talking about a show

929
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 2: and there was an issue with ticketing and it was

930
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 2: not my fault, but people don't see that. They see

931
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,919
Speaker 2: it as your fault. Like Wise, in the stuff working,

932
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 2: I'm like, we pay a heavy fee. You do too

933
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 2: for this link And I was explaining to them there

934
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 2: was a show I wanted to cancel. I was like,

935
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 2: we've moved this now twice. I look bad, not my team,

936
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 2: not anyone, I as the artist. People get angry at me.

937
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 2: I can't have that. Yeah, people don't think about this

938
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 2: is your blood, sweat, Deer's a reputation. And you know,

939
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 2: if if people don't expect a quality product, then what

940
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 2: do you have you have?

941
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: No, it's so exactly it's your out, I'm saying, And

942
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,320
Speaker 1: I give him a lot of shit. But Kylie Jenner

943
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 1: had this like bathing suit where someone's whole entire vagina

944
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 1: was sticking up. I highly doubt she was in China

945
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 1: sewing the bathing suit, but you know, it's her name

946
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: and it's her vagina on the line, But it's not

947
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: technically her that sowed the bathing suits for sure.

948
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 2: But wouldn't it be delicious to watch someone like that crumble?

949
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 2: I mean, that's the whole ethos of our society exactly.

950
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 3: You know, people would love to see you knock down.

951
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 2: People would love I mean, I look, I have not

952
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 2: watched Real Housewives in over a decade, but when I

953
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 2: did watch it, even before you were at the height

954
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 2: you're at now, I remember thinking, I remember thinking this

955
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,240
Speaker 2: woman doesn't belong here. I remember watching it and thinking

956
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 2: she's a legitimate business mind like you happen to be

957
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 2: on the show, which is I get the pr but

958
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 2: I was just like, this is a real person with

959
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 2: a real brain. Your husband's money making a lotion company,

960
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 2: not a fake fashion show. And I always and then

961
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 2: you'd say, stuff, I don't this is form ever go

962
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:09,800
Speaker 2: and I feel way to bring up. But there was something.

963
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 2: You were on a trip, one of those like forced

964
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 2: work trips that make you go on with these other women,

965
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 2: and everyone wears espea drills and someone was tired, and

966
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 2: you just went like, then go to sleep.

967
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 1: Oh the Kelly go to sleep. That's an iconic scene.

968
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 2: As a New York hearted person, It's like that thing

969
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 2: where you're like, you don't like something, then fucking facts.

970
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 2: It like making up identity. And I was reminded of

971
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 2: go to sleep. When I had my baby. We weren't

972
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 2: giving her I don't know. She's in the other room,

973
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,919
Speaker 2: she's with the nanny and she's crying, and my mom

974
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 2: comes out of the guests room. She goes give her

975
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 2: a passive buyer. I'm like, do we I don't know.

976
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: That's really funny, My god, well you're very interesting and

977
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 1: really nice to talk.

978
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 2: To you like that's funny, And then you said interesting.

979
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 1: No, because we know. Oh you're funny, and that's all

980
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 1: I was saying to like Angelina Jolie, you're pretty like

981
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 1: we know like you know what I mean, we are.

982
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: I mean, you're not just a funny face.

983
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,240
Speaker 2: Thank you another funny face?

984
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 1: No you are? You haven't you know? You have a

985
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 1: strong perspective and I did not know we'd agree on

986
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 1: so many things and things you said, I I know

987
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 1: you're right. Well, I say, it's a fucking scam every day,

988
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 1: all day, and I'm gonna send you scams because it's

989
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 1: a scam. But hopefully you don't think this podcast is

990
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 1: a scam because it's literally a garage band that for

991
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,280
Speaker 1: the first year I was I didn't make a dollar.

992
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: I didn't even know understand the medium. But uh, I

993
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 1: love doing this. So you were really fun.

994
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 2: Thank you for having me, and I will send you

995
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 2: a copy of All Things aside.

996
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna there's only one question that I

997
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,720
Speaker 1: ask everyone. What's your rose and your thorn of your career?

998
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 2: Oh my god, own, there's more roses than thorns, and

999
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 2: even the thorns like like travel, you learn to appreciate

1000
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 2: because it's good to get your blood circulating when it

1001
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 2: prits you. I think rose is of the many roses.

1002
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 2: I will say this one being able from your brain

1003
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 2: to come up with something that turns into a currency.

1004
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 2: Like we have a house. I've had houses because of

1005
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 2: a joke about a goblin that I thought of, you know,

1006
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 2: like it's not I didn't make something physically, like it

1007
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 2: was just a funny thought.

1008
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 3: I had a funny turd that.

1009
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 2: I polished, and taking that and being able to travel

1010
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 2: the world like I'm about to go on my second

1011
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,720
Speaker 2: Asia tour. So walking into a room in like Kuala

1012
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 2: Lumpur and all these Asians and hid Jabs are looking

1013
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 2: at you and they are laughing at your jokes and

1014
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 2: we are not from the same world. It is the

1015
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 2: most gratifying thing. And so within that, having a context

1016
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 2: for my country, because we are so divided and it

1017
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 2: is so easy where you live to write off the

1018
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 2: rest of the country is fully insane. To get to

1019
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 2: see the country, have an understanding of what people go through,

1020
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 2: and to realize there are good people everywhere and not

1021
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 2: everybody looks the same, and we all it's not as

1022
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 2: simple as the news would make it.

1023
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 3: So I still do love America, even.

1024
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 2: Though we are a little battered and beaten, and so

1025
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,280
Speaker 2: getting that working context for my country and an actual

1026
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 2: knowledge versus just the bubble that I live, right, I

1027
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:21,959
Speaker 2: love that. And the thorn is having to the fact

1028
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 2: that somebody had a liquid bomb twenty years ago and

1029
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 2: we still have to we still can't take liquids on planes.

1030
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 3: The thorn is other people.

1031
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 1: That's hilarious. Yeah, and my roses that you have a

1032
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: sea horse. You'll always have a sea horse behind you

1033
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: on this podcast.

1034
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 2: At this rental property into.

1035
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 1: Awesome, awesome. All right, well, thank you Elizo. We got

1036
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 1: your book, We got it all in, but I appreciate it.

1037
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 2: Thanks Bethany, this was great. Appreciate it.

1038
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: Amazing. Have a good day.